strategy

[smoky halo]

are you willing to borrow?

[near folio]

Does triggering Harold hp threshold reset his skills cooldown?

[smoky halo]

the force shutdown heater? no

[near folio]

Not that I meant his aoe nuke in phase 2

[high kelp]

ive been borrowing a max mlynar, since my own is only E2 lvl 50

[smoky halo]

the aoe nuke only occurs when u reach the hp threshold its not a cooldown based skill

[near folio]

Theoretically if I just keep reducing his hp fast enough he wont ever cast his Chastising touch since he is busy using the hp threshold nuke

[somber falcon]

Do you really not have anyone better than noir and ranger for their roles?

[glass monolith]

Most likely it isn't, but it can offset use of skill if it overlap with him doing healthgate

[near folio]

Also wtf is the CM condition?

Ive been malding on normal the whole time

[somber falcon]

Flint costs 20 dp

[high kelp]

i do, but i need some cheap ops to deploy quickly in the beginning or else it starts leaking, and i haven't thought of a better strategy

[glass monolith]

Like fucking JT8-3 Talulah sometimes delaying set up of operators on fire because she is too busy consplaying W/Killer Queen and trying to explode burning ops

[somber falcon]

Can you show your entire roster of lvled ops?

[high kelp]

do you want my krooster? it's in my bio, everything is up to date (its just missing my degen and harold but they're still E0 anyways)

[somber falcon]

Aight I'll take a look brb

[near folio]

Screw it im gonna add reedalter for more debuffs

[smoky halo]

theres a solo ling clear
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1JN411j77g/

[near folio]

Reed alt + Shamare + Roberta, surely Cuora can survive

[smoky halo]

survive what

[near folio]

Harold phase 2

[smoky halo]

melee atk?

[near folio]

Yes

[smoky halo]

do you have quercus

[near folio]

Its only 8% 💀

Wait Silence alter would be crazy

[high kelp]

omg... i just realized i said normal rs 8 😭 i meant ex! im so sorry! its been a long day...

[smoky halo]

[high kelp]

have mercy...

[smoky halo]

try this guide
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1KN411V7kL/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

[near folio]

Bruh

[smoky halo]

important to stall the robot for the killgate

[high kelp]

ok, i'll try it! thank you so much <3

[near folio]

Now onto CM

Why this shit so hard

Need to survive 3 hp threshold nukes

[sly pivot]

🚮

[near folio]

Wait what? This is crazy

E2 50 Mod X Cuora got oneshotted by Harold in phase 1

[glass monolith]

Strongest Dedushka of today - Harold
Strongest Dedushka of past - Patriot

[near folio]

He has 4.2k+ physical attack before he even reach phase 2

In EX-8 CM

[sly pivot]

nah id stall

[viscid mist]

mf do you think this is end 2

[sly pivot]

🥱

go back to being a janny mr mit

[near folio]

How they manage to make an event boss hit harder than phase 1 patriot 💀

[viscid mist]

That's exactly what i'm doing

[near folio]

Steam Knight does 2.7k x3

[glass monolith]

Patriot has total damage, but he has one hit damage

[near folio]

Enemies are starting to use the mlynar tactic

Just hit so hard that defense doesnt matter

[glass monolith]

And he claps like 3.6k x1, or to be exact his melee attack is 3 times his ATK stat

[near folio]

[glass monolith]

Wait it is fucking skullshutter reincarnation

[viscid mist]

when you realize every new boss is just a bunch of older elites mashed up with flashy mechanics

[near folio]

In CM he oneshotted 3005 hp, 818 def Cuora before passive +18% def and module +20% def when blocking

In phase 1 no less

So he must be doing nearly 4.2k damage on his melee attack

[sly pivot]

when you realize

[viscid mist]

sudden realization

[sly pivot]

🤯

[near folio]

I think it's time to build Bison

Cuora just got powercrept

Or maybe Bubble

Bubble lowkey tanks better than Cuora

[glass monolith]

"Nah i did dodge" - Heavyrain

[near folio]

Do evasion buffs and accuracy debuffs stack additively or multiplicatively?

[narrow pendant]

Finaly done, medal trimmed

[near folio]

Ascalon + Crossiant = immortal?

[viscid mist]

should be multiplicative

[glass monolith]

Multiplicatively, otherwise would be fucking unhitable is S3

[near folio]

Sadge

[glass monolith]

My brain still refuses to admit existence of accuracy debuff in AK like we some Fire Emblem game

[near folio]

Arknights is changing direction as a whole

Blocking is dead

Now we teleport people back

[viscid mist]

well you can mostly ignore it as acc down is shit

🫡

[glass monolith]

Just you wait for them to print few more operators with acc reduction

[viscid mist]

it's going to be balanced around the fact that it affects multiple enemies so i doubt we will get anything higher than 60%

and 60% is very low

[near folio]

Who has higher natural defense? Bison or Cuora?

Before skills are factored

[narrow pendant]

Isnt it bison offskill and coura onskill

[glass monolith]

He got Cuora oneshoted and now dig for new ways to facetank dedushka

[near folio]

Out of the 3, Cuora, Bison and Bubble, who's the best to take to tank high damage single hits?

[near folio]

So real

[compact shoal]

Cement

[viscid mist]

bison maxed is 936

[near folio]

Theoretically wouldnt Bubble get the most mileage out of tanking big hits?

[viscid mist]

also cement natural defense isnt very high she just has dr

🫡

688

[near folio]

Her -8% atk on enemies she blocks is more valuable the higher the damage she is taking from that single hit

[narrow pendant]

I just stalled him forever with glad spalter and a healer

[viscid mist]

oh forgot the module 😱

[near folio]

How much damage does Harold do in EX-8 CM?

There is no way he oneshotted Cuora in phase 1

[viscid mist]

bubble defense is 810

and 12% atk debuff on mod 3

[near folio]

Yeah I think Bubble might be the best out of the 3

Yet again 5 stars not getting any new brick defenders is a mood

[somber falcon]

He does 4.2k on p2

[smoky halo]

bubble

[somber falcon]

Bison can actually live after that at max lvl unmodded

[viscid mist]

this is the problem with harold on cm

he lost asdp but got a fat dph increase

[somber falcon]

And bubble is ~70 hp/def short of surviving it

[near folio]

Isnt that in the base ex stage?

[viscid mist]

ex gets 20% more stats

[near folio]

The CM stage is the same but he gets a stat buff

[viscid mist]

so nm is 3500

cm is 4200

[somber falcon]

It's just cuora being actually left behind because she has shit hp

[viscid mist]

you can see the difference

just from some stat change

because of the way his skillset works

🫡

[near folio]

How did the devs intended for us to beat this stage anyways?

[viscid mist]

fantastic question

[near folio]

Release degen just for her to get oneshotted when her rng status isnt up?

[viscid mist]

degen felt really poor in this event

she cant oneshot most of the elites

[sly pivot]

use degen as a lighter

obviously

[near folio]

True

[sly pivot]

she can light up 2 furnace

🫡

how broken

[glass monolith]

Commit Skullshutter - Bait in range to stall boss while you set up random bullshit

[sly pivot]

and u can use s3 to immune the barrage

[narrow pendant]

Harold isnt tremble immune right

[viscid mist]

using gg is very good for me, i use flint on gg tile then cast s3

[narrow pendant]

I swear i saw the icon

[viscid mist]

no enemy has

[near folio]

He isnt but degen only has an estimated 55.6% tremble uptime offskills

[viscid mist]

actually curious if the path to life boss has it

mf is a new mouthpiece

[sly pivot]

bro forgot the gmc enemy

[compact shoal]

The reason i dont pull degen waiting 10s before able to active skill when doesnt have any survivability while waiting except the smoll tremble chancd

[sly pivot]

in ch14

with tremble immune

🥹

[viscid mist]

this is crazy (you can't block flying enemies)

[sly pivot]

but it still has tremble immune

so degen doesnt get scale

🫡

sucks to suck

[viscid mist]

is scale tied to tremble?

🤨

[sly pivot]

she does 170% if enemy has tremble

[near folio]

Truly joever

[viscid mist]

she only lose 25% defense

i think you are tripping

[sly pivot]

wtfart

[near folio]

Is there anywhere I can slap a silence alter in this setup and not have her die to random bullshit?

[sly pivot]

degen what a woman u are

[viscid mist]

cant you change lena with salter

or put shamare somewhere else

are the harold bullets random?

🤔

[near folio]

Shamare there is single handedly managing two furnaces

[viscid mist]

she has lower taunt so if not may not get hit

wtfart

she lights the furnaces?

[near folio]

Yes

[viscid mist]

i'm impressed

[narrow pendant]

Right of heater>last deployed

[viscid mist]

uh but well

cant salter do that too?

🤔

they have the same range

and same attack interval

so if shamare can do it, salter can too

[near folio]

Salter has disadvantage of not attacking during skills

💀

[viscid mist]

if you are using s2 the cycle is fast af

shouldnt be an issue no

[glass monolith]

8 deployment limit on boss with "hold furnaces up" mechanic is war crime

[viscid mist]

you can just time it correctly dont think you die in 12 seconds

[near folio]

Too much micro management for an event boss since I have to somehow keep the heaters lighted up for his hp-based nuke 💀

[viscid mist]

well then just dont use salter

bad unit

[near folio]

I can try scratching him with mousse while my cuora eats the hits

[glass monolith]

She don't recover SP during skill, it is not Shamare drone / Silence doll

[near folio]

But I domt think she is 100% uptime

[viscid mist]

eh it's not about sp regen

[near folio]

Unless I M3 her S1

[viscid mist]

mainly not attacking to lit furnaces

with this setup you aint bursting 25% of harold in 24 seconds

☠️

[near folio]

I hate that I am a Cuora believer till the end

Should have jumped ship to the bubble bandwagon earlier

[viscid mist]

nature is healing

[somber falcon]

You can probably have an easier time by borrowing a better defender instead

[glass monolith]

Skill issue should have added Quercus/Roberta

[near folio]

Trying to keep my run to 2 6 stars

[somber falcon]

And relegate turtle for mobs

[narrow pendant]

Tank with specter s2

[glass monolith]

CC12, good times

[narrow pendant]

no idea what that is, im a 2 month noob

[civic bear]

silence cycle is 12/24 tho so 36s cycle. shamare is 30s. not really that diff is it

[narrow pendant]

[glass monolith]

We just had CC1 . Before CC1 there was CC12 because that stupid event works on am/pm in game which use 24 hour clock system on main screen.
It had unique boss. One of boss buffs was 20 second immortality between phase 1 and 2

[near folio]

Wait a minute doesnt Mousse have 100% uptime on her atk debuff?

[glass monolith]

I think it is offset by her attack interval

[near folio]

Oh shit its offensive recovery

[narrow pendant]

Well, played cc1(couldnt do shit kekw,, too weak) but iounou about past things
Cool

[glass monolith]

And I used Specter or her alter S2 to stall boss with immortality

[near folio]

Do the Boom Canisters target ranged ops?

[narrow pendant]

The who

Icethrowers?

[near folio]

The frost flamethrowers

[narrow pendant]

They shoot the closest last deployed in range afaik

While the snipers shoot the one on the beater tile first

[glass monolith]

They have like 0.5 range but they do. Btw in RS-6 they cut corner when coming out of red box to not engage whoever on right of that furnace

[narrow pendant]

And the casters should be the closest last deployed as well

[near folio]

Man but even if I place salter out of healer range shes just gonna get nuked by Harold's aoe

💀

[glass monolith]

AoE does "don't you guys have Perfurmer" amount of damage if you manage furnace well... i don't manage them well

[near folio]

There is one furnace I cant keep lit

Actually it might be possible with module shamare

I might try it

It might work

[narrow pendant]

Just take it a bit slower and have gg s3 ready before each nuke

Shrimple

or just use ng and ignore it completly lmao

[near folio]

Wait its only 10 seconds nvm shes just gonna get killed anywYs

[narrow pendant]

Can try ng i suppose

Negates the dmg, her summins can keep furnace lit

[glass monolith]

WHY ON EARTH IT DOES THAT

[narrow pendant]

Because hypo magic

And maybe silence(the effect) can be helpful for the ice throwers, so they dont do their desth explosion at all

Since u cant really kill them before the reach your ops like in most other stages

[glass monolith]

IT IS SILENCEABLE?

[narrow pendant]

ITS LIKE THEY DONT TELL YOU IN THE ENEMY DESCRIPTION!
#ENCANTREAD

[glass monolith]

Who the fuck reads it anyway after they returned pause deploy

[near folio]

IOS user here

Anyways found a place for salter to be set up

Who cares if she dies anyways

Shes just here to tide through p1

WAIT A MINUTE

I didnt realise this

I could just use guardmiya

It was so easy all along

Surely +7% def is enough for Cuora to live a hit during P1

[merry narwhal]

who do you think they are, winterwisp shamans? Pfft

[near folio]

Nvm Guardmiya was not enough for cuora to survive

Yeah looks like I need salter

[craggy ether]

hello guys could you help me beat M8-8?

[narrow pendant]

Still on it

[craggy ether]

indeed..

[near folio]

Damn

[near folio]

Is that mephisto stage or drone stage?

[craggy ether]

mephisto

[near folio]

Do you have surtr?

[craggy ether]

nope

[near folio]

Hmm are you able to nuke the bird?

[craggy ether]

i can borrow texalter but its the throwers that kill me

[near folio]

Is beagle your best physical defender?

[craggy ether]

unfortunately, but i might get bison from event

[near folio]

I see

[viscid mist]

what are you borrowing for the stage

[near folio]

Is there a suzuran you could borrow?

[craggy ether]

well i tried with texalter but failed miserably

[viscid mist]

eh

[craggy ether]

its the throwers that fuck me up

[viscid mist]

exec alter is my go to borrow for this

[craggy ether]

no exalter 😦

[near folio]

I suggest nuking the boss with degen + Archetto + suzuran and activating all your healer skills once you start the nuke

[viscid mist]

though you dont have many good defenders

let me try with e1 spot

[craggy ether]

is bison a good defender

i can get him pot6 from rr

[near folio]

He's serviceable

But if you want a reliable defender down the like Bubble is a good one

[craggy ether]

how does one acquire bubble

oh i have her

how is bison worse than bubble?

[buoyant phoenix]

bubble has taunt, thorns, etc

[near folio]

Most importantly -atk% passive

Shes the best low rarity defender if you need to take big hits

[glass monolith]

How long it lasts? With boss attack speed it might run out between hits

[craggy ether]

should i just skip m8-8 and keep on going with chapter 9

[viscid mist]

you could if you want

i dont think its too hard though

[craggy ether]

probably would be wise

[glass monolith]

Why not farm event shop

[craggy ether]

way too boring i want to progress the story

im speedrunning the story environment and then want to read all the story at once since chapter 9

[long lotus]

Folks how do I beat this EX stage in the event?

[smoky halo]

what's m88

birdphisto

or drones

[viscid mist]

mephisto

[smoky halo]

isn't that ez with exec now

or does he have no e2

[viscid mist]

without e2 guardian is quite annoying

🤒

[glass monolith]

Stage idea is need to kill most enemies before they come any close to you in middle part using top and bottom furnaces to remove shield dudes DR. AoE, arts damage etc. Not sure what is optimal way to do it, guides online exist for that

[viscid mist]

i'm trying it here

[craggy ether]

thank you @viscid mist

[smoky halo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588958885150721/1213810096954408970/Screen_Recording_20240303_112149_Arknights.mp4?ex=6680987e&is=667f46fe&hm=2cb66b05f62866bb7f0455536258e781f361031d13d93aebc3031dc04240ac82&

have you tried this

[craggy ether]

i have, the problem is that those troops hes spamming are high level while mine arent so i eventually run out of troops/dp

[glass monolith]

You guys hand hold him for next 8 hours when it goes south.

[smoky halo]

an

[viscid mist]

i guess i just need more bodies

[smoky halo]

u can also just 2 star it

for secret ending

then come back later

[craggy ether]

who should i use if i will just ignore mephisto bird. like who to borrow? saria or someone like that?

[smoky halo]

ik ling solos the stage

[craggy ether]

ooh bet

[smoky halo]

for secret ending

secret ending is leak the boss

[viscid mist]

you can get saria and keep cycling degen skill

[craggy ether]

like this?

[viscid mist]

degen in that placement cant get to throwers

hm

[craggy ether]

like this?

those sarkaz fellas will leak tho

[viscid mist]

it could work

degen kill them

[craggy ether]

true

ill try

[civic bear]

his problem seems to be

the thrower

[craggy ether]

yes

[civic bear]

and the berserker

borrow texalt instead

s3

unironically

[craggy ether]

err okay ill try

[civic bear]

drop them when they come then repeat

alternatively

penance s3

solos bottom lane

then you just kill the swordguy +boss

[viscid mist]

oh penance

[civic bear]

the squad seesm to be able to just chip down boss lil by little

so penance carrying everymobs helps a lot

[craggy ether]

this is how far i am, do i just ignore the bird now

[civic bear]

you need to kill the bird

then it starts phase 2

[craggy ether]

i can leak him

[civic bear]

oh

[vital arrow]

Are you fine with brrowing

[civic bear]

i mean i guess so

[craggy ether]

ya

[vital arrow]

Borrow exalt

[civic bear]

bro

his problem isnt the boss

he dies to thrower berserker

exalt doesnt really solve that issue

[vital arrow]

Yeah exalt does it too, you can switch baits

[craggy ether]

the infamous video of exalt soloing it

[civic bear]

bait with who

[craggy ether]

the baits

are high levelled

[narrow pendant]

Cant u borrow like, penance and put her in the middle bottom

[civic bear]

man has e1 defenders

[vital arrow]

You can do it with 11 other defenders

[narrow pendant]

Maybe

[vital arrow]

Someone did it with e0 defenders as bait

[craggy ether]

"someone"

[vital arrow]

Said video did it with e0 defenders

Because I know who made it

[civic bear]

literally just borrow penance and solves bottom lane, you can chip down boss with the rest of the op

[craggy ether]

okay

[vital arrow]

Either penance or exalt

Penance kinda dies to mist so manage your damage

[craggy ether]

ill just do bottom lane ill totally ignore the bird

[smoky halo]

go secret ending

[craggy ether]

texalter worked kinda well imma try that once more

[vital arrow]

Whats youe lineup again

[craggy ether]

e

[viscid mist]

.

[vital arrow]

No cuora?

[craggy ether]

no cuora

[vital arrow]

Ok thats kinda concerning

[craggy ether]

rng gods

[vital arrow]

Degen isnt M3 I assume

[craggy ether]

no lol

[peak cloak]

if too hard for you then just leak the boss and carry on, come back later when u have stronger ops (that lvl 1 degen rlly annoy me xD)

[craggy ether]

im stuck on skill 5

[civic bear]

if you can setup penance like here

[civic bear]

and then just the rest hits boss and slowly killing it

[viscid mist]

if you are leaking the boss its pretty lax

[civic bear]

penance position can be anywhere really as long as she's closer to the left than any of other ops

[craggy ether]

how much does the bird damage when leaked

2?

[civic bear]

2 ye

[craggy ether]

might cook with texalter

how hard are the enemies after bird leaks

[civic bear]

same enemies

more or less

[craggy ether]

might cook then

[civic bear]

thrower berserker too

and random mobs

[craggy ether]

ye but now i can go full sicko mode cuz i dont have to mind the bird

[near folio]

Just enraged possesed rush and junkmen along with sone centurions

[peak cloak]

just be aware when poison comes, lack of heals kill all your ops

[craggy ether]

poison?

[peak cloak]

oh no, he doesnt know

[civic bear]

only when bird takes damage, if u leaking then doesnt matter

[craggy ether]

the cloud is there only when bird takes damage

[peak cloak]

yep

just be aware of that

[craggy ether]

ok ive done it with teaxlter @vital arrow @civic bear @viscid mist thanks for the help

[viscid mist]

gj

[craggy ether]

I DIDNT FORGET

i was checking whether im pinging a mod

cuz mods seem to not like being pinged

[viscid mist]

I don't mind feel free to ping me if you need help

🫡

[craggy ether]

oorah

[vital arrow]

3 star?

[craggy ether]

nah

without bird

[vital arrow]

I wouldmt count that as a win but ok

[viscid mist]

well he can clear it later

[vital arrow]

I'm still trying with penance and degen

[peak cloak]

some do not like it for sure. but dont worry about those who always in #help or #strategy

[vital arrow]

No myrtle?

[craggy ether]

not levelled up

[sly pivot]

@viscid mist u smell

[near folio]

Birdphisto is pretty hard for new players

Its more of a roster check than JT8-3 is

[viscid mist]

Khan your exec stink

🫡

should be p6

[sly pivot]

just get lucky

my exalt crits 100% of the time

[viscid mist]

zzzzzzz

[craggy ether]

https://tenor.com/view/catzilla-giant-cat-man-eating-cat-big-cat-huge-cat-gif-27088343

sleep

[sly pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/840861092897226783/1256567298144342047/GIF_20240629_173851_853.gif

😱

[viscid mist]

are you still doing this

[near folio]

Mudrock can infinitely stall Harold?

[limpid siren]

mods, destroy this man

[sly pivot]

yea

she can

[near folio]

Im so close to resorting to doing that

But... does it actually work?

[sly pivot]

need s3

[civic bear]

if you do above

[sly pivot]

to immune the barrage

[civic bear]

it works even at e0 no?

[sly pivot]

actually

[craggy ether]

btw do you guys think i can clear story enviroment whole game with that team?

[sly pivot]

it should

[civic bear]

p sure it does

[sly pivot]

shield refresh the same

[civic bear]

cuz he'd be hitting longer than 9s

[craggy ether]

i want to read the whole story and then properly clear all stages

[near folio]

Oh whatt she wont get hit by the barrage during s3?

[viscid mist]

easy mode? sound reasonable

you can already clear most stages with ling borrow on adverse

[unkempt lintel]

wow....

what the heck am i seeing???

is that... muddy stalling harry???

[sly pivot]

but u need s3 to immune the barrage

[craggy ether]

ye im clearing with ling lol

[civic bear]

true

[viscid mist]

sounds like a breeze

[strange fable]

mr nothing carried

[sly pivot]

or u bait it with other shit i guess

i think its random tho

[near folio]

It feels random

[sly pivot]

i didnt have s3

😢

[near folio]

But it never fails to drop the bomb on my ptilo

[viscid mist]

skill issue

[near folio]

[viscid mist]

wont nothing die though

🤨

[sly pivot]

u redeploy

[viscid mist]

hm

[sly pivot]

mud doesnt die before mr nothing comes back

[viscid mist]

is this module

[near folio]

What does he do to enable that strategy to work?

[sly pivot]

even without mod shud be fine

[vital arrow]

I'll try with exalt

[viscid mist]

nothing talent stun after not attacking

[sly pivot]

cause he doesnt hit past shield

[viscid mist]

so you permastall

[sly pivot]

no its nothings aspd down

[viscid mist]

its the same idea as the last knight

[sly pivot]

harold is stun immune

[near folio]

I see

[viscid mist]

ah asdp down

so lee strat

last knight mentioned again!

[sly pivot]

the aspd down makes harold slower than shield refresh!

lee needs to block to apply aspd down

too cringe

[viscid mist]

so is this module

[sly pivot]

for? mud?

yea

but dont think it needs mod

[near folio]

Im suffering

[strange fable]

it shouldnt need mod

cuz shield refresh time stays the same

[near folio]

How do I safely capture the bottom left tower?

I dont have any ranged tile stealth units

[viscid mist]

the dr sounds relevant

[strange fable]

unless Mud dies w/o mod while Nothing is being redeployed

[sly pivot]

nah

[viscid mist]

im gonna try this

does nothing need m3

🤒

[sly pivot]

i think aspd down increases with m3

so probably

sucks to suck

[viscid mist]

i was gonna e2 him but until m3 will take a while

[strange fable]

Its like 30 -> 35 for atk speed down at m3

Maybe it wont matter

[civic bear]

harold 6 atk int

it does matter

[near folio]

Wait a minute, Lunacub has camouflaged while her skill is not active, so she can potentially hold bottom left heater?

[scarlet mortar]

aoe hits camo

[near folio]

She should be able to survive since im stalling the boss away from that heater

[scarlet mortar]

iirc there's a targeting cd for each furnace no

[near folio]

Just need that heater active so the nuke in p2 wont kill my healers

[near folio]

He just targets the two nearest ones

[scarlet mortar]

if he keeps targeting them then it's fine

[vital arrow]

@craggy ether ok its doable if you wanna try it

[strange fable]

@viscid mist Seems like you dont need mr nothing masteries

Every once in a while theres a moment like this tho

but mud just heals back to full again

[viscid mist]

☠️

cool

[strange fable]

i got no mud module

[viscid mist]

i will e2 him when i get the drones

[jovial nest]

RS-EX-8 only needs the map to have 5 lit heaters and then clear it to get medal?

[glass monolith]

It phrased in way of F around and find out

[narrow pendant]

I honestly have no idea, i got trimmed medal on first try

It probably wants u to have all heaters lit when u finish the stage

But wording is truly astonishing

[somber falcon]

Apparently only needs it once at any time

[narrow pendant]

Thats a weird ass and easy requirement then

Well, easy since u can just borrow gg

[jovial nest]

well

it's in the best interest to have as many lit as possible

to make the bombardment less lethal

[glass monolith]

EX-6 CM

[jovial nest]

what about it

[glass monolith]

Dude those steaks are RAW, and hit hard

And i forgot EX-6 medal exist

[somber falcon]

Just put virtuosa near them and let her being elsa with s3

[jovial nest]

ok....

so not only is Harold something you really have to keep heaters on, but these guys don't make it any easier

gotta keep tabs not to kill them all fast

or just intercept them

[narrow pendant]

Or just silence them too

[jovial nest]

can you stall strats? or are some mobs phase gated?

[narrow pendant]

Last 16 mobs or whatever is the numbers needs harold in phase 2 to spawn yea

[jovial nest]

tch

i can imagine this trim is what's gonna make this more challenging than CM

I'm burning plans just to get the right mix of layout

ok this works well. 2 bombardments gone. 1 more to go through

[sage lake]

Is there a way to prevent the boss in rs-8 from sending nuclear missiles

[jovial nest]

you can't

the only thing you need to do

is have as many heaters lit as possible

for every 75%, 50%, and 25% HP threshold

in phase 2

the nukes lessen for each heater

if all heaters are lit = 1 drop

one heater not lit = +1 drop

[sage lake]

Even when all of the heaters are lit it still kills everyone of my units

Im running out of ideas how to beat itm

[jovial nest]

Typhon S2 and GG S2 are great ways to have huge coverage of heater activators

[jovial nest]

then you're too soft

its an arts nuke iirc

[sage lake]

Got any tips on how to beat it?

My operators are only at like e1 except arene

[jovial nest]

ok

if only e1

you're REALLY gonna struggle

[jovial nest]

ok...i don't think you have much of a chance. With e2 Arene you can borrow a single E2

look for some youtube vids

and see if they can offer E1-onlys

or bilibili

[sage lake]

Yea i rushed e2 so i can borrow a single e2 op

[vital arrow]

You can borrow ling

[jovial nest]

ok a surtr fast drop to make him use all his bombards with as many heaters lit is the way to go. I'll go with this

and this seals the ALL-heater req. Time to do this forrealz

[slim sable]

Iirc kyostinv have tutorial for rs 8 only with mylnar and 3 star operator, just just change the 3 star with operator that you have

[lusty basin]

can Degen even threshold skip btw? I gotta be honest I have zero clue how the invuln works

[jovial nest]

you cna't

each threshold makes him invincible

[sly pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/840861092897226783/1256567298144342047/GIF_20240629_173851_853.gif

[lusty basin]

yea figured it had to be Eben or Dorothy

or somebody

single hit

[narrow pendant]

Horn too works

[eager vale]

*she can but only if you can figure out the timing for harold's animation lock

[jovial nest]

ah there we go

....ouch

let.....me do 1 practice run...

i think it won't be too much of an issue since I kept myself DP-healthy

[near folio]

Bruh moment

The canisters came and capped all the heaters

[jovial nest]

yeah

thats why it might be best to rid of harold before they come

if you can't

stall enough to light them well

this practice is well.

[sage lake]

I've been trying to find someone who has ling but i can't

[jovial nest]

#friend-id ask for one here

actually

i have some slots

[jovial nest]

JuSan#9676

the best i can do is give you a Ling S3M3 Mod3 lvl 90. Everything else is up to you and others' help

[sage lake]

Eyy thank you bro

[jovial nest]

accepted

go

[near folio]

Am trying to beat it with this team

Why I hate myself

[glass monolith]

Soon i will join you

[near folio]

Bruh the timing of his third nuke is so horrible

The goddamn boomers takes 3 of my towers and then he uses his skill to secure the other two

And the best part is to damage the boss I need to attack the boomers

What a horrible design

[jovial nest]

try not to kill his 25% HP threshold if the timing's shit

unless the problem is you took too long and now he is about to go to exit

take your time with him doing laps

[near folio]

He doesnt do any laps

Well he does

[jovial nest]

he does

kill most of his HP earlier

[near folio]

But stalling him in p1 when you are still trying to set up is nearly impossible

[jovial nest]

and then space out the thresholds

[near folio]

Mf does 4.2k physical in p1

[jovial nest]

his atk is nonsense if with enough heaters

which is easier early on

[near folio]

The heaters dont debuff his atk

[jovial nest]

oh yeah

but stalling ain't what I'm doing

earlier nuking

kill his Phase 1 and 1-2 HP thresholds before he does laps

[near folio]

And even then I wouldnt want to push him to p2 early cause that unlocks his ability to steal 2 heaters which effectively ruins any stalling strat

Unless you have goldenglow

[jovial nest]

i have both Typhon and GG

to make sure i have a lot of heater coverage

it's always the third HP threshold I'm wary of

since by that point he can kill 2 heaters

even if i rush every threshold

[smoky halo]

you can killgate abuse the boss btw

leave like one of the robots from phase 1 alive and permastall it

kill the phase 1 of the boss
as long as the robot is still alive, phase 2 enemies wont spawn

[near folio]

Really? So the wave 2 mobs wont come if the robot is alive?

[smoky halo]

yes

that way you can deal with the phase 2 boss without those annoying phase 2 enemies

[near folio]

Its really just the boomers

I can only start stalling the boss until he does his last lap where all my healers can reach cuora

[smoky halo]

which one? the "flame" throwers?

or the snowball man

[near folio]

Yes

[jovial nest]

the combo of boomers and 2-heater-kill P2 is what wipes the most

thats why i kill Harold before the boomers happen

[smoky halo]

oh those ones are annoying mfw low atk but they hit for 3 times and its arts dmg 😭

[near folio]

The timing for that is very tight

Only high end setups can manage to kill Harold that fast

Maybe I should try stalling the boomers for a bit idk

Wait for him to do the 2 tower take

Nvm still wouldnt work

I need to kill them before his hp threshold

[jovial nest]

nice. I got the 3rd threshold while everything's fine

Typhon GG combo's basically a cheat sheet for keeping heaters alive

[near folio]

Man my squad almost survived the quad nuke

Thought I was safe after seeing the third ball fell down and almost killed my healers

Forgot I left a 4th furnace unchecked

[jovial nest]

you really have to not activate all his thresholds. if you only have 1-2 heaters, you're basically wiped

based on experience

[near folio]

I have no choice

[jovial nest]

2 thresholds in one go is best

[near folio]

The goddamn boomers come when he sets up his third nuke

[jovial nest]

is he about to exit by that point?

[near folio]

I stall him on the last lap

[jovial nest]

no option to nuke him earlier?

[near folio]

And besides even if he is on an earlier lap its almost impossible to recover any heaters after that

[jovial nest]

yeah i can't exactly share more information about how i did it. Our operator spread is vastly different

i got a lot of strong tools

harold ain't all that tanky anyways with a lot of heaters on so i didn't even bother bringing a debuffer/buffer

[narrow pendant]

Yippe did 2nd version using ng

[jovial nest]

yeah NG S3M3 can save your ass during nukes if your heaters are on low count

[narrow pendant]

Sure but i diid it with s1

Or s2, forgot which one is the shield in heal one

[jovial nest]

yeah no one would bother using NG S1

S2 is if you want consistent arts tanking

S3 is when you just want to be as protected as possible in a short period of time

[narrow pendant]

S2 is the arts shield on heal right
I get them mixed sometimes

[jovial nest]

either way

Harold's one of the toughest bosses from an event

imagine fighting him alongside Andoain

[near folio]

Practice mode curse

Now I have to mald so hard to get a run in normal mode

The timing for the third phase nuke is so weird

Im doubtful I can hit it again soon

[near folio]

Him with witch king but without the teleporters

[jovial nest]

witch king takes is sweet ass time ngl

I'd have a harder time with all of Andoain's white dodge farts

[near folio]

He can lockdown operators

[near folio]

That's what harold is there for

[jovial nest]

and his jumping bullets

Andoain with ammo count

means you cannot even have operators near one another

unless you want them to wipe

[near folio]

True

[jovial nest]

plus he also has a global screen nuke

[near folio]

Imagine his bullets can bounce on heaters too

[jovial nest]

considering it bounces with gelatos....

[near folio]

And you are forced to already keep one operator next to a heater

We all know how thats going to end

[jovial nest]

Well..i guess it wont bounce

Since heaters cannot be targeted by enemy attacks

But making you spread ops far apart leads to rough layouts to keep everyone warm

[vivid owl]

Do you reccomend Mynar or typhoon for RS-8?

[peak cloak]

both can ruin your clear if u are not planning well.

[vivid owl]

How so comrade pupper?

[peak cloak]

ya know the boss mechanic at first?

either completely oneshot him or stall till death.

dealing dmg continuously at phase 2 is like a suicide mission, i tried so i know.

[vivid owl]

His nuke gets bigger the less heaters are on. He turns off two heaters in second stage. He also takes one down when he dies the first time

[celest bluff]

I still can't go over the fact that they use the dog sfx for them sea monster

[vivid owl]

Oh that's why how would you recommend i take him out then?

[near folio]

Stalling this boss is real doomer

Unless you have specific operators

[peak cloak]

u said like i have never tried stalling strat before

and it's rs 8 lol

[near folio]

All these just to keep a damn Cuora alive

[narrow pendant]

He takes down all inside the diamond shape when he is reviving

[near folio]

Ok rs-8 isnt that bad at least the lower dph means you can stall with lower investment

[peak cloak]

u'd have check the messages, thx for cutting my thought half way :/
now i forget what i'm supposed to write down for this guy.

[peak cloak]

the boss mechanic is quite annoying:
in phase 2, every 20% or 25% hp lost, he deal aoe dmg around the stoves
so there are actually 3 ways (i just remembered another one)

oneshot the boss, save time, save braincells but not newbie friendly. i'm not sure how long u have played this game, so pls do if possible.

bait strats, the boss i remember at phase 2, he deal aoe dmg maximum 2 stoves nearby. by placing your defenders or any tanky ops in the right areas, u can keep your dps shooting at him continuously, but pls be aware of your boss location, otherwise it'd be a disaster.

last strat is stalling strat, the name said the purpose. u stall him and kill him slowly, u have time to heal up, i think it's good to give it a try.

i'm kinda sleepy now so it might miss some informations, those are all i can remember

[modern plover]

I dont think this boss is stall-friendly tho
Even e2 defender would struggle

[near folio]

Its not a stall friendly boss but for RS-8 the heater formation is pretty compact and the mobs during phase 2 isnt game-ending either so you could still make it work

[zealous cradle]

i still think stall as a metric of difficulty is really flawed but you do you

[modern plover]

Oh right you can just wait 999s for snowstorm to stop

[near folio]

Well I just like to give the enemies a chance to do their thing, I wouldnt be satisfied with my clear if I just steamroll the boss without any danger to my squad

[peak cloak]

i tried with e1 max cuora, with 3 medic (Among us, Bnuuy and Purestream, 4th medic for comfort, i'd pick a aoe medic) and yes, i do agree that, she can survive but the situation is very hard. still can be stalled but tough, could be a bit easier if my cuora is e2.
although, i have no context about that person ops so i cant say more. u guys could help him out if u want to, me sleepge

[long lotus]

[near folio]

The gimmick here is to keep the heaters lit so the defenders wont constantly stack their defenses

I bruteforced that stage so I cant say much more than that

But chain caster like Leizi is pretty good for chaining both the heaters and the mobs at the same time

[long lotus]

[narrow pendant]

Didnt i tell you before?

[long lotus]

?

[narrow pendant]

Borrow virtuosa, place her where kroos is facing up, and activate s3 when wave comes

Degen has good placement, put a healer facing left where click is, a ranged guard where at the bottom left to kill the upcoming guys and silence where she is

Should be easy

[near folio]

Yeah Virtuosa ignores the stage mechanic as a whole

[narrow pendant]

Me when 14k true dmg

[celest bluff]

myrtle also still gen dp while frozen

[narrow pendant]

Can borrow mine if you want, i'll set up virtuosa support

dont judge that its s3m1, i forgot about it and m3'd others

[celest bluff]

s3m3 here

Kapisi#4646

[narrow pendant]

Stealing my clients

Smh

[celest bluff]

[long lotus]

Sure what's your UID?

[narrow pendant]

Is it actualy like, worth it/noticeable?

Its mostly just small increase to the buffs and what? 20% atk bonus on the skill

[narrow pendant]

Fuck youre right

Ferb, i know what we are doing today

[celest bluff]

Okay degen s3 without mastery have uneven sp cost

[narrow pendant]

Ikr

33

[long lotus]

I sent a friend req. Accept please.

[celest bluff]

Done

[celest bluff]

Which it pissed me off so much

This is like putting TV volume either at 5 or 0

[cosmic thicket]

fun fact: tsukinogi s2m3 has 23/48 SP

[celest bluff]

By god

Smite

Okay I didn't aware that the main menu have gyroscope UI

[spark sinew]

🚮

[gaunt seal]

https://krooster.com/u/Yujiko
Is there any low rarity 4/5 star I can try to build in my roster to combat very difficult tiers like N15 for IS3/4

[spark sinew]

greyy2 is fine occasionally
others kinda suck

Mr nothing is super good for is3 ed2 (and can be used on say, f4 pompeii stage)

heidi seems like a good pickup

reedalt support start, pick up degen and then heidi later

[gaunt seal]

How about Quercus?

I was thinking of Humus as well

[spark sinew]

quercus is fine but i would rate her below others

since you have kal and eyja2

she's basically "supporters suck, and i need my medic ticket for reed2" pick

[gaunt seal]

For 4 stars, should I try to build Humus and Ambriel?

[spark sinew]

no

one note for Nothing: you do want to have sl7 e1 1 Erato for his strats

4 stars in general don't do anything, besides ethan (and you already raised him)

it's better to save hope

[near folio]

Wait a min does dropping shamare doll on Harold lower his aoe nuke damage?

[gaunt seal]

My bad, one more operator, is Cliffheart worth investment for IS?

[scarlet mortar]

you have to do it before he goes invuln

but yes

the nukes scale off his damage so naturally it works

[spark sinew]

unnecessary with current roster

she's pgood in IS3 but you also have a double executor, ethan and then krooster for the stuns

[gaunt seal]

Thank you Hauckindu

[spark sinew]

cliff and mayer were the stun "providers" before texalter

[near folio]

My suffering is finally over!

Time to mlynar and friends the other CM stages

[narrow pendant]

other?

You did stage 8 first?

Damn

[near folio]

Yes

[vivid rain]

I didnt even do ex 8 yet

No sanity lmfao

[near folio]

I finish CM for EX-8 first so I dont feel stressed doing other stages

[narrow pendant]

Others are easy

[near folio]

Mostly because I like challenging myself a bit so I bring less 6 stars for EX-8 CM usually

[narrow pendant]

Only the, i think ex5? Was annoying cuz casters suck

[vivid rain]

Some of them are pretty troll but it’s prob just because im using the most random squad ever

Also for ex 5 just borrow texalt ez

[narrow pendant]

Virtuosa cheeses like, everything in this

Just use her smh

[spark sinew]

or use better ops

[vivid rain]

Ew virtuosa

[near folio]

That one stage where the devs wanted you to trigger furnaces to lower their def and res:

[narrow pendant]

14k true dmg says nuh-uh

[near folio]

I hate EX-8 CM

[vivid rain]

You guys used true damage? I just bullshitted through it with ifrit

[near folio]

I had to alter my strat cause my Cuora was getting oneshotted offskill in p1

[narrow pendant]

Plus the necro -50% atk is massive vs harold

[vivid rain]

Because i draft random shits

[narrow pendant]

Nuke does like nothing

Have ng and you can completly ignore heaters as a whole

[near folio]

I somehow took 3 balls on the last nuke without shamare debuff and clutched it

Salter was covering shamare and reedic managed to tank it

Ptilo and silence died

[celest bluff]

Didn't built nightingale
But have shamare for base

[spark sinew]

huh

you guys got me curious

how is this a caster check

[narrow pendant]

The enemy caster check

[celest bluff]

At the start of this week I have 1 mil lmd

[spark sinew]

my condolences

[celest bluff]

Yeah I just make back like 55k-60k everyday

[glass monolith]

EX-7 CM is only stage so far which baited me into 6*... I Chaltered all over that damn spawn and all those frostthrower dudes can go to hell

[signal lichen]

is the conditon for 8 just to have them lit at any point

or is there more to it

[narrow pendant]

Looks like just have them all be lit at the same time once

Which is pretty..weird requirement for a trim

But

[signal lichen]

just making sure its as free as it sounds

and not weird translation

like other medals....

[narrow pendant]

It is indeed

And that is why its so weird

I thought at first that u need to have all lit when the stage completes, but nope

[modern plover]

All furnaces must be lit b4 the clear screen

Else it wont count

[signal lichen]

i mean

i plan to lite them to actually help clear the stage so its not like its gonna be that close

[celest bluff]

Which mod for archetoo

[cyan gorge]

I use mod y more for general use

[signal lichen]

this map is so weird

0 enemies go to the left exit

except for boss which

he loops

so you never need to set up there anyway

[glass monolith]

Unga bunga

[wild sail]

Question my doktahs: Which guard is best for dps:ing the IS4 ending 1 boss? Degen? Mlynar? Other?

[zealous cradle]

probably mlynar cuz his skill dps is higher but imo you should draft both unless this is a question about starters

[wild sail]

Nah, last combat node before said boss with safe house right after (meaning I can probably E2 the guard)

[zealous cradle]

then mlynar assuming you have 2 melees to hold both lanes

[wild sail]

My strategy has everything figured out but the boss dps. I could probably use typhon s2 but I would like to put her on right side

But yeah, I should take Mlynar since unlike the last time I don't really need Degen s3's pull on the last hit for clutching

I was just joking "inb4 the safe house wont let me E2". It didn't have upgrade option. FUCK

Fuck it, we ball

[lusty basin]

harold can be stunned during phase transition..? is that a normal thing with bosses that I didn't know about

never seen it before

I wonder how many bosses have stun sprites

[narrow pendant]

Stunned?

[lusty basin]

yea

[narrow pendant]

[lusty basin]

from mon3tr

I guess not relevant to #strategy because it's like...not actually helpful for any reason lol

just a weird quirk

[dark violet]

wait really?

I guess that makes sense now that I think about it

seems to be an easy ex 8 map this time

which I don't mind, because the mechanics can be really punishing on some team comps

I find it really funny how skalter s3 is a rechargeable heater flint

[spark sinew]

only when she's adjacent to thw heater, right

[dark violet]

yeah

[spark sinew]

or can she do it without

[dark violet]

without isn't enough sadly

but as long as you have that one heater running, you can heat up any other easily

on the other hand, dorothy mines don't work at all

sadness

[celest bluff]

I know you are talking about use it to keep heater

But she can use to nuke and skip invulnerability Harold

[dark violet]

skalter?

[celest bluff]

Dorothy s3 mine

[dark violet]

skipping inv? how so

[celest bluff]

Deal massive amounts of damage before the invulnerability kick in

[fickle ravine]

The new ex-8 cm stage I felt like I got no control over it even though I know the mechanic and boss with full 6* team TwT

Massive skill issue on my part

[dark violet]

how different is it from normal ex8

considering it was quite easy, sounds scary for cm

[fickle ravine]

Nah mate I’m just bad at this game, you would be fine

For me personally, Feel like boss hit a lot harder

[viscid mist]

it's because of how harold works

he has some multipliers so +20% atk is a lot more than it otherwise seems

[dark violet]

somehow he's a lot harder if you burst him too fast before the heaters recover

[viscid mist]

like he has a 700 damage dph increase while melee for cm

🫡

3.5k x 4.2k

[dark violet]

at least NTR has 4 shields

[viscid mist]

so with harold if you have some heater lit you have 2 options

[dark violet]

also he has no true damage protection

time to meme

[viscid mist]

you either play the patience game and for every cycle you take out 25% of his hp or you try to burst him asap while the fireplaces are lit

which can be annoying because a mistake causes you to get wiped

🫡

[dark violet]

I'll bring out the gravel game

[viscid mist]

😲

[glass monolith]

WHY ON EARTH BOSS PATH IS SO SHORT

[waxen swan]

That short

[dark violet]

I love shorts

It keeps my knees cool

[glass monolith]

Okay good news: Trim medal is just have all 5 ovens ON at once at any point, not just ending

[dark violet]

tbh, both are easy

the last enemies are the invis guys and they come out slow

[glass monolith]

(Me with 1 Oven at end)

[dark violet]

so killing the boss and you can easily relit everything

skalter s3 privileges

[lusty basin]

vent getting last hit on Clip moment

[celest bluff]

It is better to use Lappland here than degen

The explod on death guy

[dark violet]

I DID THAT

[celest bluff]

I can't borrow eyjalter so I use e2 shinning and e1 nightingale

[glass monolith]

I did ex-8.... By riding boss over with clown car of 6*s

[lapis hornet]

hey guys

can i one shot boss with degen or smth without doing all the extra steps

[celest bluff]

No

[lusty basin]

do they have virtuosa camp far left? that was my first inclination since arturiasicle can sit there frozen and melt all the yaks and shield elites

[glass monolith]

And then get cooked by frostthrowers

[lusty basin]

no she's out of range

none of them enter from left

unless I'm misremembering

[glass monolith]

Far left is literally their spawn in EX-8

[lusty basin]

oh I thought they all spawned mid

[glass monolith]

Only casters and invisible pieces of shit come from middle

[lusty basin]

wait what are the frostthrowers

[lapis hornet]

wdf so what's degen use then

[dark violet]

to be here

[lapis hornet]

so how you one shot

[dark violet]

and asserting dominance

[lapis hornet]

need to be single hit?

[lusty basin]

ah okay, I remember now, it's more that there's a window of time virtuosa can kill all the yaks and shield elites without any ranged enemies

anyway without watching the video I'm guessing degen may have invuln window abuse?

in terms of DPS the other three certainly deal with everything

[celest bluff]

No

[spark sinew]

there's absolutely 0 chance lapp replaces degen there
not to mention, why would you

[celest bluff]

She do almost nothing

[lusty basin]

yea

that tracks

it's very much a virtuosa showcase lol

[dark violet]

clearly you should replace degen by frostleaf

[celest bluff]

Degen do almost nothing except for keeping heater on

[lusty basin]

yea

there are a lot of ops you can replace degen with, with a virtuosa-mlynar core like this