strategy

[cosmic thicket]

that's so stupid but ok

[latent monolith]

Yea like this patch

Can bounce to the same target with a 0.6s interval

Projectile lasts 2s

[cosmic thicket]

i haven't played btd in 2 years ftr so i have no idea what the standard for towers in 2024 is

[wide sail]

nk patch like crazy its mental

[cosmic thicket]

oh then ig it's fine

[latent monolith]

I'm going to be honest idk how good it is after this buff, but it is a very big one especially for its weakness

[cosmic thicket]

i thought the projectile would last a lot longer than the bounce cooldown

[latent monolith]

5xx Glaive Lord main attack can bounce back to the same target: cooldown 0.6s

[spark sinew]

||neither is caper||

[smoky halo]

ackshually shes relevant ||in base||

[latent monolith]

Projectile, sharp type, 43 range, 0.4s attack cooldown, 8 damage, +8 ceramic damage (16 total), 100 pierce, 297.5 projectile speed, 2s lifespan, 7.5 projectile radius. Also applies shred effect to first MOAB hit, dealing 100 damage per second for 15.1 seconds, for a total of 1500 damage. Projectile ignores Line of Sight. Projectile seeks to the closest bloon within infinite range with 0.05s delay.

[smoky halo]

mfw i was so confused on what this skill was

but it was just t5 bomerang

[latent monolith]

Can hit the same target 4 times

Also 4xx+ boomerang projectiles now bounce globally

Has been for a few patches

Actually no wait only the 5xx got global

Top path has been buffed a lot recently tho

300 price was cut in half, 400 price was cut too

(although they both did receive some pierce nerfs)

[heady sphinx]

btd6 x arknights collab confirmed?!

[lofty stag]

Reedic bouts go crazy in btd6 with that fragile

[cosmic thicket]

wait true reed alter is literally glue gunner + cluster bomb

[amber tree]

Could anyone help me out a little? My current best at Pyro is 625, I'm trying to figure out a way to get it a little higher if possible using this setup ( more or less ). I show all the mods in the beginning of the vid, if you have any feedback on what could be improved please do let me know - having a blast with the CC event 😉
Atm I'm not really sure which mods would even be a safe bet as this run is pretty tight in terms of timings -.-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DXoql5-0tE&ab_channel=ScuffKnights

[cosmic thicket]

i think dp down 3 should be doable

texas likes s2 here and not s3 i think

[amber tree]

I tried it, and the beginning stage of the run was murdering me, I might need to add a vanguard or something to print the DP required at the beginning. But I agree, DP is probably the "safest" thing to try

[cosmic thicket]

ines could use s1 here

[amber tree]

S1 is a better printer than S2 ?

[cosmic thicket]

yes because it doesn't get cucked by -sp

only for this case though, literally everywhere else s2 is preferred

[amber tree]

gotcha, will definitely try S1 out then. Thanks for the feedback mate!

[cosmic thicket]

np

[crystal tendon]

dunno if s1 will kill the first guy tho

but trying doesnt hurt

[cosmic thicket]

there will be enough dp to texalt/yato if needed

i also think it's possible to take deploy limit 5

or -90% sp

virtuosa's main use is for her talent anyway, and leizi/ifrit battery themselves either way

[heady sphinx]

I mean reedic would be alch with unstable concoction

[amber tree]

Ok, I can confirm that Ines S1 works much better than her S2 ( even tho S2 M3 and S1 is M0 ), and by a pretty fat margin

Which intuitively points me towers some harsher DP mods

[crystal tendon]

Yeah i think that there is enough damage to not rely on Virtuosa skill

And ifrit has her own sp regen

[cosmic thicket]

s1 masteries only buff damage not dp gen

iirc

[amber tree]

Aye, just checked - the only SP it gives her is the initial SP :/

Also, I love how the second Rover just insta kills anything you put in the top lane as a meat shield for Coebe

[spark sinew]

i thought they used s2 for the final push

where you kill two drones

and that's why it's used despite the s1 being superior in "laning" phase of sorts

[amber tree]

The damage on her S2 is quite decent. I'll try and see if I can replicate the same run with S1

To be honest, this almost feels like AI learning/training. You replicate the entire scenario with one little change, and then adapt 🙂

[spark sinew]

oh i can't read, you already did the trim medal

[amber tree]

Aye, I'm just trying to squeeze out a few more final points and I'll be done with it

[spark sinew]

is that your vid

[amber tree]

yes

Easier to ask for advice when people can actually see what you're doing wrong

[serene spoke]

Should I use mudrock or bassline for story stages?

[amber tree]

Mudrock should carry you through most of the story stages to be honest, very good Operator.

[serene spoke]

Alr thx

which skill is best? Skill 2 or 3?

Feels like skill 3 is better for longer stages but idk

[amber tree]

great call on the S1 switch. I can take out the drones in a similar fashion, DP printing on the other hand is much better 😉

[spark sinew]

s3 is the better skill yeah

the regular content is easy enough that s2 usually works fine though, and it's super hard to screw it over with incorrect timing etc

so a lot of people just use s2 most of the time

[amber tree]

Well, applied the advice. This is where it got me. The only other thing I can do to push it now is to somehow figure out how to do the same thing with a deployment limit of 5

[limpid temple]

Where can I find a compliation of max/high risk for this cc?

[spice mortar]

#salt-mines

[pure pasture]

can someone help me with this level I'm not quite sure how to deploy my team rn. it's 6-11 ill be in vc

[smoky halo]

arkrec ig

[summer copper]

ur comp?

[pure pasture]

ig? I just can't seem to get past this stage

[summer copper]

like
show ur team

[pure pasture]

Im playing it on computer rn so I can only show through screenshare

[summer copper]

um

no screenshot?

[pure pasture]

also im using texas alter as support

had to do a quick snippet since im on pc

@summer copper actually nvm now somehow i beat it all the way.

[smoky halo]

6-11 is frost nova right?

[foggy grove]

No

[pure pasture]

nah just her minions and a crap load of ice spiders

[foggy grove]

Just caster in front of blue box

And 🕷️

Which is pretty easy since you borrow texas too

[pure pasture]

tbh one of my other issues before was the really tanky drone that shows up

[foggy grove]

Drop texas done

[pure pasture]

bout to say ya she made quick work of it. after that typhon melted the rest pretty much

i really need to try for texas alter next limited banner

[spark sinew]

don't bother unless you have 300 rolls

[pure pasture]

and how much orundum is that

[foggy grove]

300x600

not worth

[pure pasture]

guess i better stockpile more. I was gonna pull pozy but im being told that would be a waste

[foggy grove]

pull good unit like degen,shu etc
and wisadel the new broken op

just forget texas

[pure pasture]

i heard about degen and wisa. not too familiar with shu

[summer copper]

ok

[pure pasture]

Hopefully that's the end of those missions for ch 6

[summer copper]

u still got 12 14 15 16

[pure pasture]

Ya but how many of em are red border missions like 6-11

[pure pasture]

So for 6-16 which would u say is better support. Exusiai or SA

[smoky halo]

frostnova?

poze or yato

we are no longer in 2021 my guy

better units exist now

[vivid rain]

doesnt mlynar just one cycle fn and kills everything else effortlessly

[pure pasture]

Pozy or yato eh? Guess I'm going pozy. Her plus typhon should easily melt her

@vivid rain idk about one cycle but considering he takes a bit to charge up I'd rather end it before she wipes my team

Cause isn't he one of those ops where the longer u wait the more power builds up. Or am I thinking of a different op

[vivid rain]

he is

but it's only 20 seconds at 2x speed

and you can also use him to hold the middle lane if you want

[pure pasture]

Well my team has some pretty heavy hitters. Mountain typhon blaze and horn to name a few

[spark hawk]

Can I get it lower than 6 ops?

[wicked viper]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1nC4y1y7bp?share_source=copy_web if you want to copy

[tidal sedge]

I wonder if folks borrowed my Vivi for this

[tidal sedge]

Nope

[tribal ruin]

anyone else clearing with eben?

[narrow patrol]

So how do you deal with cold status? Kinda stuck on a stage in chapter six

Eyjalter apparently doesn’t cleanse it

[strange fable]

Yeah cuz shes an elemental healing medic

You need a therapist for cold status

[narrow patrol]

Is there no way to cleanse it?

A therapist?

[strange fable]

but really the answer here is to bait the drones

[dapper hedge]

Lumen the only that can cleanse cold, the other therapist can only give resistance a.k.a reduce their duration

[narrow patrol]

Can’t bait the one in the middle

Because of the layout

[leaden sierra]

Does shelter (sanctuary) effect apply after or before DEF and RES?

Had to scroll down to wiki comments to find this, turns out it is after, which means it does a better job at helping units with lower DEF tank damage. Ow well.

[glass monolith]

DAMMIT i was late to Sanctuary question

Stacks with Stainless S3 summon talent (20% physical DR to unit behind turret) and Gladiia funny AH talent

[surreal lily]

https://youtu.be/OxAs8XHWfIs?si=_zS7nY4KrSZusti-

I want to do this but I don’t have Dorothy or Ceobe, if I borrow one of them who can I replace for the other spot? I can also bring Yato2 and Texas2

I don’t have eyja 😭

[vivid rain]

Just use the hoshi strat

[viscid raft]

I managed to beat the first phase of 9-19, how do I not get shafted in the second stage?

[remote perch]

Use the pillars on the boss

[drowsy jewel]

Ceobe is better borrow

Doro's main job handling left

Find someone that can do that pretty much

[surreal lily]

Which one is that?

[surreal lily]

Ty for advice will start testing

[vivid rain]

The one by blemichi

[long lotus]

bumping this up

[vivid rain]

Dont think there is, but exalt pretty much solo bottom lane

[vital arrow]

You can

[worldly stirrup]

Mumu can replace dorothy

[vital arrow]

Exalt

[long lotus]

Exalt dies after killing the boss's first phase

[vital arrow]

He solos it if you time him well

Is this challenge mode

Then yes he can solo dps this stage

Ofc you dont let him tank

The berserkers hit like a truck

[smoky halo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588958885150721/1213810096954408970/Screen_Recording_20240303_112149_Arknights.mp4?ex=666834be&is=6666e33e&hm=3aefe72236235dc1ed1c97a59e68c14d932f7b8a4d71c0f792d525b3f15dfcff&

does the exec ur borrowing have mod

[long lotus]

Support units whose owner is not from a friend don't have mods iirc

[cinder pike]

Poor malphistobird

[glass monolith]

I think it apply only to masteries, mods still there

[smoky halo]

that's masteries not mod

he also needs m3 ofc

masteries on exec is basically 50% more healing lol

on skill

[smoky halo]

sus file

is it m3?

[long lotus]

free orundumb trust

[smoky halo]

thats mod3

but is it m3?

[long lotus]

sl7

[smoky halo]

no wonder its not working

masteries is 50% more healing onskill breh

[long lotus]

Yeah but I can't get masteries on a non friend support unit

[smoky halo]

find a friend

[glass monolith]

If i have Red Cert each time mastery increase Talent/Trait for whatever reason

[long lotus]

They still ong die right before killing the boss

And I get steamrolled by the enraged soldiers / throwers

This is my squad if it matters ig

[smoky halo]

how

follow the vid ig

[glass monolith]

Long live random bullshit go instead copying some "Exe solo everything of interest lmao" video

Also that solo video has defender spam (like 3-5 defender) to prevent spear throwers and one punch dudes from touching Exe and you have like 1 defender and gravel

[long lotus]

What video?

[long lotus]

Hmm maybe that's because I don't have 5 defenders?

Why bnuuy?

[spark sinew]

I mean you clearly tried to copy a vid

so that's the video fibro talks about

[glass monolith]

Or he seen people talk about solo Exe and he took Exe without knowledge of what Exe does in said solo

[spark sinew]

i backread

there's a vid

[glass monolith]

I know there is vid. I don't know the F he is doing

[long lotus]

If you mean this then this isn't really a video

It literally just shows the spot to put ex in

[glass monolith]

Put exe. put defenders to avoid him dying to bullshit at specific points.

[long lotus]

Yeah no shit what do you think I'm doing?

The point is that they still die.

[glass monolith]

Who dies, die to what

Defenders in video didn't leave forever, they died one after another but they won time so Exe don't die

[spark sinew]

did you find a friend

[viscid raft]

friend me

[spark sinew]

no

[worldly stirrup]

[sly drift]

[tidal sedge]

[vernal lion]

[solar sage]

When is Degen coming to a banner near us?

[dapper hedge]

After cc over it's her banner in CN

[glass monolith]

Proceed to get trolled by Reed rerun

[spark sinew]

very unlikely

[limpid temple]

Who are the characters/masteries I need for high risk this cc?

[cyan gorge]

Ceobe, Ines, Ifrit, Virtuosa, Thorns to name a few

[smoky halo]

thorns is used in high risk?

huh?

[cyan gorge]

I used Thorns

[smoky halo]

doesnt high risk take the sniper guard ban

[drowsy jewel]

I don't think people consider 620 as high

[cyan gorge]

I don’t know if he meant high risk as in 620 or higher

[smoky halo]

i assumed he meant like 800+

[drowsy jewel]

if you say high risk people envision 800+ yea

[cyan gorge]

Then what I said minus Thorns I guess

[drowsy jewel]

there's also the obligatory bagpipe, and the flags

The two frds, Texas and yato are also a big part of most clears

[cosmic thicket]

stainless sees some use at high risk

[glass monolith]

Obligatory bagpipe is less obligatory cuz blame agents

[dense compass]

why is that your nickname

Im ahucksinu alt

[spark sinew]

ok teta

[halcyon adder]

https://youtu.be/eOtZguqqsA4?si=89gHCCXxXL0sGQl0

Hmm

[spark sinew]

typical ragebait from him

[lethal dragon]

Supah video

[halcyon adder]

It's not that bad

[cosmic thicket]

give me a summary im not giving that sack of flesh and bones a view

[latent anvil]

[vocal leaf]

it’s basically a critic of some the archetypes regardless of the ops that make them good, it’s purely based on the traits, so some examples are brawler, crusher, blast caster, instructor, duelist, chain medic etc…

[cosmic thicket]

wow

what a useless video

[vocal leaf]

[cosmic thicket]

thank you for watching it so i didn't have to 🫡

[long lotus]

🫡

[viscid mist]

Did bro not include geeks/soloblades/juggernauts

They have the worst traits in the game by far

[vocal leaf]

geeks yes, the other two no, what is soloblade?

[viscid mist]

Musha

The trait is literally cant be healed

🫡

[vocal leaf]

ah no that one no

[viscid mist]

Its only this

For both classes

[long lotus]

Aren't mushas and reapers decent?

[vocal leaf]

i remember pullers and dreadnought too

[viscid mist]

Reaper trait gives 50 hp per hit (up to 2)

Musha trait has no benefit

The payoff is specifically on the talents

Just like geek

[long lotus]

Up to block count*

But alr ig

[viscid mist]

I dont think block count increases it

I will check the wording later

[cyan gorge]

It does

[viscid mist]

Crazy

Either way

Saying class is shit because trait is shit is disingenous

Its a mix of everything

Brawlers make sense as a class while phalanx doesnt

[vocal leaf]

oh phalanx was in the video too

[lusty basin]

the funny thing is
if anything shit trait = good class because mumu exists

[viscid mist]

How broken is that

I rather go by the logic of "certain archetypes shouldnt exist" rather than ranking which ones are bad

Why make reapers crushers when centurions exist
Its just different flavours of smoothie

[long lotus]

That's like saying lemons and limes are pointless because oranges exist

[viscid mist]

Guard is the class with the most archetypes

If you have 50 citrus fruits while only 5 of the other types you will be able to notice most will have simillar flavours

Defender and medic are a big offender

The archetypes are quite limited so hg just design random things

Right

They just made earthshaker

[long lotus]

Yeah but I'd rather have lots of archetypes where some are bad over fewer "good" ones

[viscid mist]

We even have lovechilds of archetypes now

[long lotus]

Makes things more interesting imo and allows for more interactions between ops

[viscid mist]

I think they need some clear path

Archetypes differentiation are quite worthless currently

With things like shu and ela that Just do about everything

[tidal sedge]

Problem of endless content games in general

[viscid mist]

They made logos like a primal caster but gave him core tag anyway

[tidal sedge]

Only so much meaningful design space sideways. Powercreep becomes desperate grab for more but has it's drawbacks

[lapis hornet]

I'm kinda surprised tbh cause ak managed well enough without huge creep before

[tidal sedge]

Wisadel and Logos packing strong defensive measures and top line dps is pretty insulting though

[lapis hornet]

and sales don't always correlate to strength

not sure what prompted this sudden powercreep rush

[tidal sedge]

I genuinely think theyre maneuvering towards EoS. Plot threads in story have been resolving more than new seeds have been planted. Or so it feels to me.

[viscid mist]

They just made an interviee that theres a whole 3rd arc to do

Game is on an all time high

[lapis hornet]

nah no way

[viscid mist]

And soon they will release endfield

[lapis hornet]

it still makes so much money no way they're tryna end it this early

[viscid mist]

Theres no argument for killing the game

even if endfield is their engame they wont kill ak

The game is also investing hard on publicity

[lapis hornet]

hg doesn't strike me as the kinda company that would stop caring about ak even if endfield becomes the next genshin tbh

[viscid mist]

Thats not what you see from a game who plans to EOS

They are probably paving the way for endfield

By broading the playerbase

[tidal sedge]

Hm. Sales is a bit of a weak point in my knowledge. I'm jumping to conclusions.

[viscid mist]

Stronger ops = easier game

[long lotus]

Why is this convo in #strategy

[lapis hornet]

discussion about mechanics/balance/meta belongs in strategy

well it used to

[tidal sedge]

Stronger ops also make clearing old content a little faster and smoother

[viscid mist]

No
Wisadel banner was an all time high

It even passed genshin (though it wasnt their best month)

[lapis hornet]

anni limited banners always been big sellers tho

esp when it features 2 popular characters

[tidal sedge]

I notice folks who started with stuff like Typhon tend to stomp through early and mid story

[viscid mist]

Well ak cn consistently gets monthly top 10 earnings

[lapis hornet]

think ak's problem with creep is like, it wants the game to be approachable without full armada of 6*

but then the highest tier of 6* becomes stronger with every new banner lately

so there's this dissonance between available tools and what there is to do with those shiny toys

[lapis hornet]

okay but if you start with mountain or ling or what have you it's kinda the same thing

kal

[tidal sedge]

Hm. Fair.

[spark sinew]

mountain and kal are more limited

like they only block one lane

[long lotus]

Most levels only have two lanes lmao

[spark sinew]

you can screw yourself over without knowing the map for example

typhon covers half the map

[lapis hornet]

yeah but typhon's a ranged carry so you can't shortcut the whole vgs/blockers/healers process like you could with mountain

[spark sinew]

2>1, so I'm unsure about your point

there's like

3 "fast" maps in the entire game in story

that you need to know the opening
every other map you just deploy whatever

[viscid mist]

Rush maps are mostly on ch 7

[long lotus]

The point is that you have a single op hard carry a lane while the rest of your squad demolish the other

[lapis hornet]

nah like

the better your roster the less rush it is

if you're spanking new your vgs suck your healers suck your dps suck

and every map becomes rush cause your dp's tight since you need to deploy whole army

[long lotus]

[viscid mist]

Well some stages pressure you fast

Most dont

If you can deploy a defender and a medic you will never die in an early stage

Enemies dont deal this much damage

Some stages will push your hand though

[spark sinew]

or you can slap 2 defenders and afk with typhon

[viscid mist]

Having a strong squad just means you are equiped to counter the problem proposed by the stage

The same for mechanics

[spark sinew]

don't use vangs

they suck

[viscid mist]

Stronger squads can ignore mechanics of stages

[spark sinew]

that's actually why i dislike how people rec flags to newbies

[viscid mist]

But if you are weak you have to play through their beat

Or you are more likely to lose

You should only use a flag if you know what you are doing

[spark sinew]

older players had flagpipe brainrot and they think they can rec flags now

[lapis hornet]

we never recced flags to new players

at least sensible players didn't

[tidal sedge]

3-8 is a common stumbling block due to how hard SS hits. It's partly what motivated this observation. I don't remember seeing Typhon start accounts struggle there. Though I've seen Vivi/Virt starts have issues there sometimes

[lapis hornet]

is e1 typhon enough to blast ss before he becomes a problem?

[spark sinew]

and yet every newbie has 2 flags now

[lapis hornet]

or she, whatever

[spark sinew]

||3-8 is just borrow kal ||

although I'm sure nowadays we have even more options

[viscid mist]

Zuo should work nowdays

Though i didnt try

[spark sinew]

well if kal works then she looks better

[tidal sedge]

3-8 has always had cheese borrows but newer folks don't understand them usually. Understandably so

[spark sinew]

like i'm psure she worked but it's been so long...

[viscid mist]

From my experience kal struggles without outside support

She doesnt have enough s2 time

[tidal sedge]

I used Hellagur s2 way back myself lol

[viscid mist]

But its one of the best solutions

I had a mousse help monster survive

[tidal sedge]

Hmm.

Not bad. Though you'd want to avoid popping first s2 use asap to avoid enrage on first circling around

[spark sinew]

huh, that's a ballsy tile

i would expect people to pop her on ansel tile ish

[tidal sedge]

That'd probably be the realistic tile as I remember lower level Fang tends to die to sword shrimps quickly

[smoky halo]

just borrow e1 pluma for 3-8

e1 pluma + aribitrary blocker + drone killer is enough for 3-8

[spark sinew]

won't she die

ig early bosses are that easy

[viscid mist]

the pluma strategy she doesnt block

she stays on one of ss stay points and blast s2

thats what i remember shu saying back in the day when he advocated it

she covers 2 lanes too

[pulsar mortar]

Is it possible to do 600 risk without Ines, Thorn, Mylnar, Blaze or Skalter? I have Ling though

[smoky halo]

nope

she survives on s2

[viscid mist]

time to see how well zuo s2 holds against ss

[spark sinew]

sure but that assumes newbie has a defender and maybe gravel

because defender probably dies anyhow

since it's like e1 1 and no trust

[polar crane]

my bet is he die in low pressure

[viscid mist]

this was my squad when i did 3-8

[smoky halo]

[viscid mist]

hm

cycle trouble once again

not enough damage to one cycle

this might be solvable if i time the skill better

most of ss damage is enraged

ok doesnt work

time for test 2

i will bring a fodder to tank def pierce for him

[compact shoal]

I only use ines from that list for my 620

[viscid mist]

oof

let me compare this to kal

hmmm

kal is not beating the fraud allegations

[long lotus]

Doesn't s3 just nuke that?

[lethal dragon]

Spalter S2 was the easiest solution for this mfker when I played cn

[viscid mist]

how do you use s3 e1

🫡

[long lotus]

Also maybe tactical rat so mon3tr can hit without getting hit (aka let gravel tank)

[viscid mist]

the whole points is that you can only e1 borrow

[long lotus]

Oh alr

[viscid mist]

hm

[lethal dragon]

Reed alter might do the charm too

[viscid mist]

i guess monster can abuse the redeployment, though this wouldnt work for me

if your units are underleveled if you cant kill ss asap enraged will whipe your team and you will leak to drones

yeah kal is kinda middling

you can bait and support dmg but at this point zuo does it too

now let me try the pluma method

[long lotus]

Btw @viscid mist Can't you just wait for the 2nd loop to deal with skull shatterer?

[viscid mist]

this would depend on your strat

[long lotus]

Like just tank with smth and chip dmg them and deploy mon3tr at the end

[glass monolith]

Kroos alter.
Deploy.
Activate S2.
Finish stage and activate module

[viscid mist]

when i did it my units were mostly e0

so not killing ss asap meant everything would die

the avg player shouldnt be rushing this stage

so you should have at least an e1 squad to tackle

then the strat is more reasonable

at this point id rather use pluma strat

which im checking out now

why bros only use s1

😢

[lethal dragon]

Bruh

[viscid mist]

oh finally

[heady sphinx]

what are we talking about?

[lethal dragon]

It's a monologue

[viscid mist]

right now specifically 3-8 clear strat

3-8 is an important stage for newbies because it unlocks many things

normally a gameplay turning point

[heady sphinx]

pretty sure 3-8 can be cleared with 3 stars, you just need to know how to use your operators

[viscid mist]

obviously it can

but you need levels trust

all of this takes time

its also harder

[spark sinew]

shocker
but new players won't know that

[viscid mist]

🫡

[pulsar mortar]

I didn't pull her when her banner come bcs I'm in another game and now I have no idea how to play anymore 😕

[viscid mist]

😢

[heady sphinx]

anyway, the point of my 3 star comment is clearly people raise higher level ops that replace 3 star. replacing the 3 star operators with their higher rarity counterpart just makes it easier.

[viscid mist]

well thats a lot easier

i can view the charm

[spark sinew]

pluma>exec?!

[viscid mist]

i didnt try with him

but i think the dmg is lower

let me check

[spark sinew]

i wonder if you can cope s2 and tank like zuo/kal

[viscid mist]

i think he just gonna die on enrage like everyone else

unless you cope dodge

fraud

yeah s2 dps is mediocre at best if s1 didnt do it s2 wont

[long lotus]

La Pluma op

[spark sinew]

i mean

just deactivate s1 early then so it won't enrage?

[long lotus]

Btw forgive the braindeadness but is la pluma an alter of plume? Or are they a standalone op?

[spark sinew]

and wait for a second loop

[long lotus]

I've been wondering for a while now lol

[spark sinew]

completely different

[viscid mist]

standalone

they just have simillar names

[tribal ruin]

i’m having trouble pushing past 585 with this comp. any tips?

[spark sinew]

s3 ines huh

[viscid mist]

why bother if pluma does it already

[spark sinew]

all clears i saw abuse double invis field

[long lotus]

Oh alr

[heady sphinx]

3-8 skull shatterer can be beaten pretty easy if you use kroos, anachiel (can't spell his name) and steward

[viscid mist]

well yeah you can damage support whatever is tanking skullshatterer

[spark sinew]

eh, i suppose

but since you're in too deep

[viscid mist]

i used moussee so monster didnt die like shit

[spark sinew]

surely we can test chalter after that as well

[viscid mist]

and some random caster

[tribal ruin]

would ines s2 be better?

[spark sinew]

well idk your strat

generally in those comps she helps to kill the right lane

so they use her as stationary and use s1/s2

[viscid mist]

hmmmmmmm

[tribal ruin]

i see

[spark sinew]

wait you're not taking dp3 risk

do you

[tribal ruin]

no im not

[spark sinew]

free points for the taking

[tribal ruin]

i’m taking only the 25% risk

[viscid mist]

how broken is ansel tbh

the real mvp

[spark sinew]

chalter sweep

[tribal ruin]

let me try using that

[viscid mist]

i think kroos is uneeded

let me ut

[smoky halo]

no need kroos

[viscid mist]

jk 😂

[smoky halo]

justice knight is BROKEN

[spark sinew]

jk is harder to get

than some 6* for newbies

[smoky halo]

true

its just a proof of concept tho

rangers could not solo dps

the drone leaves with 1 hp

unfortunately

[spark sinew]

outside of that we need to see your roster

[smoky halo]

but ya 3-8 is ez if they borrow pluma

[viscid mist]

im curious to see how wisadel does

let me just try one more time with chalter

[spark sinew]

try executor

aren't you curious

[viscid mist]

im not

exec fail at doing what pluma does

and he doesnt hit air

so he cant optimized anything

[spark sinew]

sniper

[viscid mist]

🫡

youre crazy brosky

[spark sinew]

we downgrading from chalter

to see how far we can push it

[viscid mist]

has science gone too far

ok i guess i do need an ansel to tank the shots

just defenders dont do it

[smoky halo]

wtf

[gray stone]

Stop cooking

[viscid mist]

im so sad

😢

we were so close to greatness

she leaked a drone cause of attack interval

well this is not half bad tbh 🫡

i didnt even need to press any defender skills

[spark sinew]

you could probably so it if optimized skills?

[viscid mist]

ansel skill was required

sounds reasonable

i didnt deactivate once

[spark sinew]

unless the rng talent is at e2

but that's not something you should expect from newbie anyway

[spark sinew]

now, does exec clear because his s1 won't have downtime

yep so talent might've screw it up

[viscid mist]

oop

i forgot this woman does NOT hit air

not a good look

[smoky halo]

wow what a bad unit

[long lotus]

Terrible fr

[viscid mist]

ooooh

she one cycles

and kroos is a fraud

jesus christ

she cant even cover 2 drones

is rangers unironically better

[gray stone]

Fuck this thing is harder than it should be

[viscid mist]

why is your medic 5*

😂

do you not have a 6* one

[gray stone]

Because I have 0 6 star medic dummy

[viscid mist]

skill issue

[gray stone]

I'm getting Lumen

Because Silence is poo poo against Adverse 11-20

Can't solo heal bad unit smh

[viscid mist]

meh

modern solution

this is just the same as pluma chalter but you need more op

[long lotus]

Is that wisadel or smth?

[viscid mist]

yes

wis s2

[gray stone]

Try Ela

[viscid mist]

😂

[gray stone]

Bruh you can just like

5 op it

Except Ela modless lmao

[viscid mist]

my ela is mod 1

my pnenace is sl7

👼

if just my first sniper was wisadel

😢

[desert imp]

any tips for this squad? who to raise, swap and stuff like that suggetions

[viscid mist]

get rid of haze gravel

i dont think you need 2 marksman

so either build your krooster and boot ash or boot your krooster

[desert imp]

swap haze with gravel?

[viscid mist]

thats fine

[desert imp]

and change with what

[viscid mist]

what do you have

[desert imp]

didn't mean to send squad again🐻‍❄️

[viscid mist]

raise eyja and warf

in place of haze gavial

you could swap krooster with pinecone

you can also swap gummy for bassline later down the line

[desert imp]

people saying no point to raising eyja cuz logos will outclass her and maybe look for ceobe or gg

[viscid mist]

those are all ifs and nothing on your account

even if you get logos

it will be in 5 months time

you have more than enough time to get resources for him

you dont have much else to build either way

[desert imp]

next ill pull for is shu prob

[viscid mist]

you are skipping degen?

[desert imp]

degen was that guard?

[viscid mist]

yes

[desert imp]

im not sure of her kit but people say they skip looking for shu and waiting for walter

and im f2p, dont have many pulls to spare

i already got sash and Chongyue and im looking for surtr or mlynar in gold cert shop

[tribal ruin]

yooo i got to 605 tysm

[gray stone]

Don't look for Surtr

Unless you want her for non-meta reasons

[viscid mist]

why is penance such a fraud

[viscid mist]

meh

surtr is still the best gold cert op by far

bro doesnt have enough good ops to disqualify the buy

[gray stone]

The bar is 6ft below bro

Buying pulls is better value

Mlynar yeah but Degen Ray Shu Zuo Le Ela Wisadel Logos whoops Surtr

[viscid mist]

you save 78 certs and get a guaranteed good unit

38 pulls is still better

but not as far as you think

its a matter of preference

at least you are certain to get something with the 180 spent 38 pulls is just increasing of rates

[gray stone]

The upcoming units are just too good
And Surtr is coming to Kernel anyway she can wait a dead period

[viscid mist]

well sure

surtr kernel does change the dynamics

they can still cuck players by never putting her on gold cert shop though

🫡

and we have no idea how updated kernel selection will look like

[pulsar mortar]

Any idea if team that might be possible for risk 600?

[desert imp]

so this is what ur saying @viscid mist?

[viscid mist]

this looks solid

[desert imp]

why pinecone instead of kroosalt tho?

and also are saga or warf e2 worth?

[viscid mist]

both are fine if you have the resources

[viscid mist]

you already have ash as a marksman

marksman are not particularly strong

at least pinecone has more consistent aoe damage

[desert imp]

okk tysm

and what u recommend i pull for that upcoming?

[viscid mist]

if you think you are fine with what you have you can skip degen

though she would be pretty good for you

then save for shu/ela/wisadel

shu is good but not all win worthy tho 🫡 if you do like 120 and dont get her count your loses and have enough to get ela and all win for wis

[desert imp]

and im guessing just use the gold certs for pulls cuz prob nothing useful is gonna show up in the shop

[viscid mist]

yes

theres like gg

but you have eyja

no need

surtr would be decent gold cert op if it drops but you can argue pulls are more important

[desert imp]

if surts somehow drops ill surely buy her but highly unlikely

[viscid mist]

🫡

[desert imp]

kk tysm man

[solar sage]

Almost wish we could trade 6000 og for 1 five start ticket or 1 six star ticket

[long lotus]

Me when I sacrifice 6k og ak players to the gacha god who will bring eternal torment to them in order to get my fav 6* ❤️ 😇

But fr though wdym by og?

[solar sage]

The red currency

[long lotus]

Oh

[solar sage]

I can’t spell it out perfectly yet 😭

I did like a 10 pull and no 5 stars or 6 stars

[long lotus]

6* is 2% bro wdym

[solar sage]

I know

Eternal torment 😭

😂😂😂

[glass monolith]

We have #salt-mines to give daily proofs that we are 98% gamers

[long lotus]

Cool

||btw 98% in this case is the part that failed. Not the ones that pulled the 6*.||

[compact shoal]

If u have typhoon i will suggest u for lure yt guide, the most easiest low step from what i see. Althought rather hard to replace the ops otherthan hoshi with other thick defender and virtuosa with any dps that can hit air

Can borrow ines, but for typhoon replacement the most possible one is ifrit with her range but u cant use mountain for left lane if choosing caster pick

Maybe can try use fiammeta as replacement

[cyan gorge]

For 600, no she can’t replace

[cyan gorge]

Borrow Ceobe and follow a caster focused strat with Ifrit and Virtuosa

Alternatively you pretty much have all the core pieces for the sniper strat I used

[strange hazel]

buffed scorching steam tanks immune to bind?

i'm assuming so because ethan missed two 83%s

[pure pasture]

so two things. Out of curiosity does arknights tend to do any buffs or nerfs to operators

cause i feel like my low level team isnt gonna cut it anymore

which brings me to the other question at what point should i stop using low levels

[foggy grove]

the only nerfs they do is "fixing" bug

as buff very rarely they buff an archetype

your question is too vague
what is low level,what are you struggling with

[pure pasture]

7-9. And by low level I mean for the majority of the campaign I've been using 3 and 4*

[foggy grove]

where is your 6*

also you should start e2 ing something

[pure pasture]

Even my 6* stars are failing me. And I've got multiple e2 among them

[foggy grove]

show what you have
prolly you have the wrong approach

7-9 is just dog rush,after you handle the opening it's free

[pure pasture]

This is my usual team.

But this is supposedly the team to use according to the video I watched. (Thnx a lot kyo)

[cyan gorge]

e2 mountain and struggling with 7-9

how

[pure pasture]

That what I wanna know I should be wrecking these guys

[cyan gorge]

Drop mountain on right covers the biggest issue with the map

you just need blockers for the other 2 lanes and you're golden

[pure pasture]

OK and support wise? Feels like I need it

[foggy grove]

you don't

[cyan gorge]

You don't need one

[foggy grove]

but eh you should be wrecking the stage

[cyan gorge]

Mountain first for dog rush then set up normally like you have for the last 6 chapters

[pure pasture]

OK then lemme rephrase even if I don't need one which ones would be helpful in this case cause I'm getting royally screwed

[cyan gorge]

The first one that comes to my mind is Goldenglow

[pure pasture]

so far ive tried pluma pozy and ines. no dice

[foggy grove]

borrow yato or texas for your f up moment

or just exe alter to hold another lane

[compact shoal]

Does myrtle s2 important in there? i dont remember 7-9 stage

[foggy grove]

no

just use s1

he has mountain so the opening is lol easy

no pressure

[compact shoal]

Yeah thought so it takes age for myrtle s2 to get dp as well

[pure pasture]

I'm gonna try it first with Texas alter

[tardy owl]

I dont get it, it freezes everything attacking it. How am I supposed to defeat it?

[tidal sedge]

What difficulty

[tardy owl]

Give advices please

[tardy owl]

Floor 3

[tidal sedge]

I assume you mean d3/Surging Waves 3? If you can get the def drop relic for boss, Typhon s3 doesn't suffer much due to being ammo skill.

Otherwise it's just tank/nuke as best as you can

[tardy owl]

Might bring firewatch to flame this dude

I'm suffering from this thing acting like Elsa from frozen

[tidal sedge]

Mm. Last Knight is melee so Firewatch won't get talent bonus. She'll struggle to actually shoot him due to his def

[gray stone]

Hit hard, hit slow or bypass the freeze
Goldenglow, Typhon are pretty helpful against him (lower difficulties ofc)

Generally drafting Exusiai is bad

[wicked minnow]

mylnar was good for me

[tidal sedge]

Oh yeah GG. I knew I was forgetting another bypass op

[gray stone]

How long is the freeze again?

[tardy owl]

Thats all I got, I don't have gg neither typhon

[gray stone]

Borrow one from the start I guess

[acoustic slate]

Typhon borrow can work quite well

[tidal sedge]

2 seconds above 50%. 4 seconds below 50%

[tardy owl]

I might attempt it but might fail also. I always go for texalter early

[gray stone]

Huh, Chalter works

Mostly works anyway, since built in slow and ammo skill

[tardy owl]

I guess. Wish me luck

[dense compass]

operators that "stop attacking" while on skill work great, he hits harder on operator that are frozen by him.
goldenglow s3 works at low diff, besiegers work great due to slow aspd and instant kill phase two with the instakill below 25% hp relic iirc?

he can be stunned and frozen btw.

wtf strategy died

[karmic field]

Use Goldenglow for consistent DPS, Gnosis and Erato(to freeze/sleep the boss) if you have Weedy and push relics you can also yeet him.

Just stunlock him that's the trick.

[void terrace]

Good ol lee can tank him with enough healing

[turbid badge]

use tomimi.dev for lee

[vocal leaf]

hoederer s2 is great against him

[atomic mural]

Guys how am I supposed to complete Kroos’s simulation
Because the heat pad thingy keeps oofing my ops

[rose patrol]

damn this 11-20 adverse challenge is hard

if only i gotten eyja and angelina as my first caster or supporter

[timber river]

https://youtu.be/YOdj20q1J34

Basically just don't put anyone there and use Kroos to deal with the explody spiders

[long lotus]

I'm gonna be real with you I just don't understand this stage

I can't see a way to knock down the pillars without getting cucked by the flamers

I actually just don't get it

[smoky halo]

borrow exec he can solo the stage

exec to the right of blue box

facing right

[dark violet]

I guess they added the dorothy tag

wait, how easy is this

[atomic mural]

Then where do I put her brother 💀
That’s like the only cliff spot 💀

[dark violet]

I could do max risk without changing anything

[smoky halo]

ye doro s1 beats max risk

[lethal dragon]

Easy enough that there are plenty of solos

[dark violet]

makes me wish she was m9 already

[jovial nest]

no way!

is this the same as POO's?

[gray stone]

Oh this

Max risk was cleared by Dorothy S1

Very funny clear

[viscid mist]

You can typhon s2 and afk it apparently

[dark violet]

I feel like I'm missing something obvious

she can't kill 2 shieldguards alone

[viscid mist]

Impressive that this daily is just after federal prison

[gray stone]

Who?

There are decent levels of RNG for the solo clears iirc
Dorothy trap crits and Typhon stun

[dark violet]

oh

I guess m9 is required?

[vital arrow]

Why do you need m9 if you can only use 1 skill

[gray stone]

ATK pot required pretty much

[dark violet]

noooooo

[vital arrow]

Thats pot then, not mastery

[dark violet]

gonna clear it with doro and ntr at least

[gray stone]

Just borrow mine smh

[dark violet]

ntr feels so unfair for the shieldguards

[dark violet]

I'm shocked, there's so little people sharing a dorothy

and the ones I find are e0

[glass monolith]

Add sometrhing into squad on top of 20 drones so support upscale to e2

[dark violet]

lol

whatever, I don't have any friend that has her, so she won't be m3 regardless

and they all have her on s3 (understandably)

[spark sinew]

i have no one with typhon

[dark violet]

I'll m9 her and see what can be done

[spark sinew]

fl is too cultured for my own demerit

[dark violet]

can we trade

I don't need typhon

[spark sinew]

||they're the same here except typhon is better and not pot locked 🛌 ||

[dark violet]

[heady sphinx]

looks like chen makes short work of the shieldguards

[dark violet]

can't even start doing doro s1

ntr s2 also memes on the shieldguards

and has 0 dep so you can use her in tandem

[heady sphinx]

easiest stage yet

[dark violet]

doroad to pot 6 once again confirmed

I need to do it

[vivid rain]

1p relay map is pretty fun

Silly ifrit lanes

[undone sundial]

any tips for the beach repair map

[cyan gorge]

borrow Typhon s2 and afk

[undone sundial]

where do i place her

[smoky halo]

wait lemme get a screenshot

she does max risk solo like this
activate skill asap
and take double atk buffs

[undone sundial]

just place her first?

[smoky halo]

well she solos it ya

[undone sundial]

alright

[smoky halo]

need double atk buffs tho

[undone sundial]

activate all of the others?

[smoky halo]

ye

then choose this

[undone sundial]

YE

[smoky halo]

typh needs mod here btw so make sure either ur typhon has mod

or the one ur borrowing has mod

[undone sundial]

mod?

nvm it worked

probabl had it

[cosmic thicket]

think she needs level 3 mod

my e2 level 60 s2m2 mod1 typhon didn't do it but my friend's e2 level 60 s2m3 mod3 typhon did

[cyan gorge]

mine is mod 1 and I did fine

[cosmic thicket]

you probably got decent stun RNG then

[cyan gorge]

i barely saw any stuns lmao

[cosmic thicket]

the one i did had some leaks that were like 10% hp

[waxen kelp]

1 ATK and 1 ASPD buff also works
Helps trigger the stun more often on those shieldguards

[smoky halo]

oh intresting

hm i prolly had bad rng then

cause i tried that and leaked

well ig leak doesnt matter

[undone sundial]

are the other 2 one also this easy?

[smoky halo]

but double atk was leakless so i shill it

[smoky halo]

no

well depends

if u mean max score then no

[waxen kelp]

Most likely not

[cosmic thicket]

yeah

[undone sundial]

just for the rewards

[smoky halo]

for the prison themed one ling can solo 200 pts

[undone sundial]

oh?

how

[smoky halo]

take the risks that buff the boss

[waxen kelp]

I might just forgot about the other previous two, but this test site is an old repeat.

[smoky halo]

but dont take the 1hp risk

leak the boss

[undone sundial]

lol

[smoky halo]

wym

if it works it works

then just spam dragons

[undone sundial]

true

anyone got a ling i can use for support

[smoky halo]

sorry dont own ling

[undone sundial]

oop

[vivid rain]

Max score beach is so easy wth

[undone sundial]

found one

nice

[smoky halo]

lol exec solos max risk ye

[undone sundial]

where do i put her?

[smoky halo]

ling herself?

doesnt matter

[waxen kelp]

I may be wrong, but I believe the first two test sites are new since I don’t remember it before
The beach one has appears before and was pretty well known to be solo-able

[smoky halo]

they dont take dmg from nonblockers

i put her left corner tho

so she doesnt take any hits

[vivid rain]

Yeah the two other test sites are new

Tho max risk beach solo is new iirc? I dont remember any solo max risk beach before

Maybe my memory is just faulty

[smoky halo]

no

the beach one appeared during pinch out

but the tags were different

[waxen kelp]

The previous beach probably had different additional tags (but still have that solo tag)

[smoky halo]

1 deploy slot isnt solo

u can retreat and deploy someone else ya

main issue was that theres invi tag

which kills a lot of solos

[waxen kelp]

Yea, but I still see it as so

[undone sundial]

ok

not working

xD

[smoky halo]

wait which tags did u take

[undone sundial]

uhh

[smoky halo]

hm that looks fine

are you using the devices to stun?

[undone sundial]

ah

[smoky halo]

ye need to use devices

need to activate ling skill too

[undone sundial]

worked better

did use kaltsit for the ranged enemy side tho

[vivid rain]

Btw fun fact kaltsit solo main lane

Without mastery

[sly drift]

What's the last risk on permanent map

[outer hazel]

where can i find the beginners guide

[smoky halo]

-1 block

[sly drift]

20 pts?

[smoky halo]

ye

[glass monolith]

Don't forget invisible fireball casters

[dark violet]

I think i'm going crazy

[cyan gorge]

What’s the problem?

[dark violet]

wym

I just can't figure out a way

[vocal leaf]

a way for what?

[dark violet]

to clear the CC

[vocal leaf]

ah main map? trying 620?

[dark violet]

yeah

[vocal leaf]

i wonder why you need ines, i guess to kill the drones but with that team might be better to leak them and instead focus on the ground enemies

[dark violet]

why I need ines?

how else do you kill the invis guys

or do I need to take totter

[vocal leaf]

blocking then is an option, you would need a hoshi for the cars anyway, unless you have a way to burst them before they move

if you going for melee strat instead of ranged it’s also better to not take the caster at left and right

[dark violet]

I'm more concerned about dealing with the drones

[smoky halo]

doesnt silverass + schwarz deal with it

[dark violet]

lol, barely half of the health

[smoky halo]

im surprised u didnt bring dorothy

shes pretty fire here

[dark violet]

crying

[smoky halo]

do u lack spec cas?

[dark violet]

yeah

[vocal leaf]

you could just ignore them and tank the seeds with hoshi and eyja but if you prefer to kill them bring more power for that

[dark violet]

no choice

[smoky halo]

damn unfortunate

[dark violet]

if I lose guard sniper, I have 0 damage on the drones

[brave sun]

might want to mylnar sa the drones instead

[dark violet]

tank them?

[smoky halo]

can also choose to not take class bans

[dark violet]

[brave sun]

schwarz isnt doing anything

[vocal leaf]

when i tried schwarz she doesn’t kill it in time, the seeds also wastes her shots, but could be tags and the placement didn’t try much further

[smoky halo]

oh hm

technically u can also just not take the 1 hp risk

and leak the drones

[dark violet]

alright, going to try that, and bank on ceobe

[smoky halo]

ceobe?

with speccas ban

[vocal leaf]

yeah hoshi on right, penance on left, it’s actually pretty easy

[dark violet]

you mean mudrock?

how does penance last more than 20 seconds

[smoky halo]

wait what risks r u guys taking

[cyan gorge]

Leaking drones is an option too

[smoky halo]

that penance doesnt die

[cyan gorge]

No need for Ines

[smoky halo]

cause i take all the enemy atk up and ally hp down

and just never get hit ya

[smoky halo]

did u not take enemy atk up?

[vocal leaf]

if you asking me, nope, for that strat you take hp up hp down

[smoky halo]

hp up

wait true hp up is fine since u dont need to kill drones

[vocal leaf]

yeah and a fun fact is that penance work better with hp up, while mudrock works better with atk up

[smoky halo]

i feel like mudrock just dies

bc of the sawblades

[vocal leaf]

no, she doesn’t, i used her for 700 risk

[smoky halo]

[vocal leaf]

here #salt-mines message

[smoky halo]

intresting

[vocal leaf]

at some parts she was very close to die tho, higher risk might not be possible

[brave sun]

if it is any consolation to you fib even hoshi gets smoked at 800, so u were almost right

[lusty basin]

I had an early strat that used virtuosa s3 giving penance a hefty amount of extra barrier but scrapped it quickly

was too inefficient

[vocal leaf]

what virtuosa or penance? or you mean the combo?

[smoky halo]

prolly virt s3

giving hp to penance

more hp = more shield

least schizo strategy

[lusty basin]

yea virt giving permanent barrier to penance

was too jank but it made for a tanky penance

[smoky halo]

pretty schizo

but also pretty funny

[vocal leaf]

she doesn’t need it, but it depends on the tags, that’s why i said that penance needs hp up and hp down to work, if increase enemy atk instead she will die very quickly, while the other way she survives and kill them easily

[lusty basin]

ye

I gave up blocking so I don't really "understand" how blocking works here anyway

[dark violet]

mmh, trying to remove the casters then, let's see

[vocal leaf]

basically hp up and hp down and no casters are the beginning are the key, from my experience

by casters i mean the fireballs dudes, cause now we have an actual casters tag

both should be avoided anyway, cause otherwise you don’t have place to deploy flags, and with that strat you gotta take the -90% sp tag

[dark violet]

wait what

I thought people meant to not use the caster tag

guess I'll try without the pyro

[vocal leaf]

yeah that’s what i meant, sorry if i wasn’t clear

[dark violet]

ok there's no benefits to using specialist here