strategy

[limpid siren]

i think it's still an inherent flaw if you need a map to directly cater to your range

but we'll see

maybe aroma will be the one to convince me linear range isn't so bad

[tidal sedge]

Poz being down a notch or two in IS4 has me thinking that more than I used to.

[limpid siren]

i think it's less obvious on the 6*s

just because they usually have the muscle to power through

but yea corroserum really showed that ifrit was not good because of her range

which was a strong narrative for a long time

[tidal sedge]

Mmhm.

Good talents and skills is the real locus of Ifrit's power.

[void terrace]

I swear Texalter yalter phantom is the way to destroy the Iberia SSS

Cycling Texalter with another fdr can let you spam her stun

And deal with the annoying enemies. Even if texalter dies or gets stunned you just keep cycling her back

Phantom and yalter just increase the chances of drawing a pair early

Gravel works but less dmg

Just stack guards and one defender then spam texas on that postion. A 160% atk buff goes crazy on her skills

[sullen rover]

🤯

[long epoch]

New Hammer guard implies Siege alter.

[tidal sedge]

The new 4* is a juggernaut. Interesting.

Will they be better than Vulcan I wonder

[limpid siren]

i hope so

[tidal sedge]

Also wait. Is this ch 14 banner? Or is it a side story?

[brazen stream]

thoughts on quercus

[limpid siren]

strong single-target healer

occassional use for shelter, but generally just a good single-target healer

very greedy for maximum investment

i tend to prefer silence

[long epoch]

Well, being stats capped, she would need a really good kit to surpass her.

[tidal sedge]

Really? S1 masteries have awful atk improvement, unless you value the cost reduction?

[limpid siren]

to be competitive with silence, quercus kinda needs every little bit of value

[tidal sedge]

That kind of angle. I see.

[limpid siren]

it's what annoys me about the quercus shilling

because for most people you can slap mastery on silence, and a bunch of levels

and call it a day

in terms of the raw healing you'd ever seriously need

[jovial nest]

for me it's the healing uptime

Quercus can just turn into a full fledged medic

it's one of her best selling points

for IS

[long epoch]

From PV, *4 Juggernaut shows a defensive pose. I guess she's the regen type that can reflect damage.

[limpid siren]

after 40s of literally 0 healing

[tidal sedge]

I've not been liking Quercus in IS4 thus far

[jovial nest]

indeed but if you're that devoid of medic/defender vouchers

Quercus is looking mighty fine

[tidal sedge]

If I have to cope her, the run is up a creek

[limpid siren]

i don't like her either

i'd really just prefer to get my healing from a medic ticket

[shell arch]

No information for tacticians mod and hole 2nd mod?

[tidal sedge]

I'd rather go for Nearl before Quercus

[tidal sedge]

Only that they exist

[tame wraith]

hey, thanks for replying. I was planning to borrow mylnar and replace reed, but I don't have gg either. I can use both amiya and surtr, the only issue is good replacement for reed and gg. I have most of the other operators.

[jovial nest]

I've experienced IS4 high diff enough to know never to rely on Guardians for healing

damage is too high that their charges vanish fast

[shell arch]

Also could someone do me a favor by figuring out whether s1m3 mody3 ceobe can permastall or not?

[sullen rover]

the what

[tidal sedge]

If that's the case at d15, I have to wonder how Quercus gets her 40 seconds to actually do stuff, unless you're using s2?

[jovial nest]

I'd have given up by that point but Reedic will try to carry while waiting for those 40 seconds

[limpid siren]

[cunning river]

Someone's gotta explain me what the deal with the current event is

Those waves don't seem possible to manage

[shell arch]

Oh wow it's the legendary lancerisdead

Time to head out

♿

[opal kiln]

why do u need quercus healing if there's reedic already

[jovial nest]

reedic can't carry healing alone in high diff. And yeah there are times where the run just refuses to give me medic/defender vouchers

also a flexi pick. Not too many choices of supp operators in high diff but Quercus is something decent compared to the other choices

she's a very specific solution, i know

but with hundreds of ops, that's more than enough to give relevance

[shell arch]

Also bump

[jovial nest]

i mean

not stall enough

she needed help in stalling CC2 max risk Faust

it wasn't just her soloing the stall

[cunning river]

Can someone explain me? I'm kind of baffled at what I'm supposed to do

[jovial nest]

ok so if you just want max rewards

just directly clear B-3

C-3

A-3

and S-3

[shell arch]

Jusan you're referring to my question?

[jovial nest]

yes

Ceo needed help

in stalling Faust CC2 max risk

[shell arch]

I appreciate that but have you read what mody1 does?

[halcyon adder]

Amigo go help lanceris

[dark glade]

i dont even know what amigo is asking

[shell arch]

I don't think lid can see my message. He's trigger happy with block button

[dark glade]

reading issue on my part

he blocked me too

[halcyon adder]

[jovial nest]

btw another thing regarding permastall Ceobe

[cunning river]

If I don't have you blocked is because you didn't start talking shit to me

[jovial nest]

we would've seen it be exploited

if it was that good

a permastall of one ops

is premium shit

[shell arch]

Yes but cc2 you don't have mody1 back then

[jovial nest]

for hard content

and yet we haven't seen Ceobe S1M3 modded used

it's closer to just cycling the usual Suzu, Mosti, Saria

[shell arch]

Which is why i asked. Can s1m3 mody1/3 ceobe permastall?

[jovial nest]

no

[shell arch]

You sure?

[jovial nest]

Bili would've shown that a long time ago

if it was

CN have some insane players

[shell arch]

"i haven't heard of this thing so it's most likely impossible"

[jovial nest]

well, I do watch a lot of CN hard content stuff

a solo stall

that'd be grand...

if it was possible

no one ever uses it

[shell arch]

I mean i was asking a yes or no question...

[dark glade]

i dont think CN stuff has thing that need to be stalled tho

[cunning river]

So?

[dark glade]

cresson

cant be stalled

[jovial nest]

I have not seen Ceo S1M3 modded strats for Eik

[dark glade]

ed4 and cc#2, s2 is better skill

[jovial nest]

better than making him be blocked

if it was permastall

[dark glade]

you still getting freezed by his aura if you try to no?

[jovial nest]

far enough

Ceo can fire it far enough to not get blasted

[sullen rover]

ccb2 😱

[dark glade]

also

[jovial nest]

they made sure Eik can't be cheesed likke TLK ever again

[dark glade]

is that new cc#2 risk?

[jovial nest]

yeah

new CC2

is SN

[dark glade]

i said risk not stage

[sullen rover]

levitate

[jovial nest]

without mostima it's a pain to wait for the trigger so Qani can put it out on time

it's also quite scary to do when Qani is so near Eik

he might be frozen if too late

and yeah i've done it myself

[dark glade]

The video just killed my internet

[jovial nest]

one of the easier bosses to cheese due to block stall

[dark glade]

Thanks for 500mb vid

🫡

its on my end to have shitty internet

[tall cairn]

Got Ines yet?

[dark glade]

Why would i

[smoky halo]

@shell arch ceobe has 1.6s atk interval, with mody3 giving +15aspd its 1.39s atk interval, her bind lasts 3s and assuming she always hits elites that turns out to be 2.15hits which is 2.15sp from mod + 3natural sp = 5.15sp which isnt enough for her 6sp cost at s1m3

[dark glade]

I will just wait another year

Ascalon hoed ines banner

:copium:

[tall cairn]

[sullen rover]

ascalon is side story tho

[dark glade]

Then i will just eait another year

Ines on cert shop

Or wait another year

[tall cairn]

[dark glade]

Actually good pioneer limited will be released

[tall cairn]

Is fine, you basically have everything you need anyways.

[cunning river]

Okay, I really don't get how this mode is supposed to work

[jovial nest]

I appreciate this answer of yours too. I was curious.

[dark glade]

Bless #1 #help helper

[smoky halo]

thats like the theoretical sceario too without frame rounding and funny atk interval shits

so like

its pretty much impossible

[shell arch]

Thanks fibrinogen, i hope you get mlynar p6 from 10 pulls

[smoky halo]

mlynar spook in virt free pulls pls

[dark glade]

I think he need ines

[smoky halo]

but yeah i want ines too

[sullen rover]

wait for ines cert shop

[smoky halo]

nuh uh

[shell arch]

P6 mlynar is enough for him. I still want to kick him in the nuts for not having something

[sullen rover]

or pull on hoerderer stainless ines

[smoky halo]

wtf no

that sounds awful

[smoky halo]

select a stage then kill the enemies?

oh wait its you

[jovial nest]

P6 Mlynar....i wish for a high pot Mlynar

[cunning river]

Right, but the waves seem pretty unmanageable

[smoky halo]

its a hard event

[jovial nest]

treat it like a high risk CC

NUKE THE MOBS

[smoky halo]

yeah

[jovial nest]

no mercy

[smoky halo]

i heard someone says s-3 is like risk 25

but idk im just a zoomer who started after cc is dead

[jovial nest]

only risk 25?

kinda feels like 27-30

[smoky halo]

i mean thats what i heard

[sullen rover]

25 at best

[lapis hornet]

was that useless

[smoky halo]

im a zoomer i didnt touch cc12 cause i had 1x e2 during that time

[sullen rover]

useless is risk 20? or was that another guy

[smoky halo]

yeah i think useless said it was 25

nah r20 is another guy

[lapis hornet]

think it's around old w1 max but 25 probs about right since no slot/deploy limits

[smoky halo]

im sure its above r20 since r18 and be cleared by single core e2

and a-3 already cant be cleared by single core e2

[lapis hornet]

it's way harder than 20 tho no way

[smoky halo]

im sure r20 and 18 are very near

[cunning river]

Anything above r18 always seemed pretty insane to me

[sullen rover]

right r20 was foxwhite

[smoky halo]

i think r20 is a-3

tho idk why am i even saying that i havent played cc

[cunning river]

Is there any point to keeping all your lives in this mode, or is it just like CC?

[lapis hornet]

actually mighty be underestimating it a bit

[smoky halo]

dont u have 1 hp only?

[lapis hornet]

cause 25 could be doable for 4*

[brazen stream]

lmao was watching this but another vid

[lapis hornet]

can't tell with modern standards anymore lol

[cunning river]

You have like 3 HP

[smoky halo]

a-3 is well doable with 4star

[sullen rover]

is there a 4* rec for ccb2? or 1

[smoky halo]

oh if u have 3hp

u can clear 2

leak*

[shell arch]

So I'm not blocked?

[cunning river]

Hm

Seems like I'm missing something

[cunning river]

Not apparently

[jovial nest]

so A-3 is R25 then

Silvergun did it

but they need buffs for S-1

S-goddamn-1

[lapis hornet]

no it's more cause 4* just don't have the dmg

idk about a3 tbh I just winged it and it worked

[shell arch]

Fibri i forgor but what if she's buffed by mostima talent?

And s2 stainless

[cunning river]

4* clears are theoritically doable if HG is believed of all content, but most people aren't crazy enough to pull that type of stuff of

[smoky halo]

uh lemme check sp

ill check to see if its theroretically possible first

then to atk interval mafs

[strange fable]

amigo what are you trying to permastall?

[smoky halo]

im ignoring frame rounding cause idfk how that works

so dont sue me if framerounding fucked it

[lapis hornet]

sue him

[shell arch]

It's just am*go bothering others with his am*going

[brazen stream]

gif for later use

[shell arch]

I will

[strange fable]

i thought you were trying to cook something weird for DOS smh

[shell arch]

I was thinking of s1m3 mody3 ceobe because I'm a filthy afknights player

[lapis hornet]

amigo do my is3 ty i cba farming skin

[shell arch]

Also mody st caster sp per hit does not bypass sp lock?

[jovial nest]

then don't

[cunning river]

This is the setup I've been using

[jovial nest]

Survival mode is very interesting

cause it's kind of my specialty to adjust in shitty situations

IS experience....

so far a two-attempt clear and a one-attempt clear

reset will soon give the 3rd

[cunning river]

I simply can't survive the last rush of wave 2

There's too many enemies

[lunar pumice]

I could use mmmm quite a bit of help lol Im kinda struggling with 5-7 rn, this is the team im running. I also havent played in a verrryyyyyyyy long time so i have a lotta chars and like 0 idea how to really play the game lol

[smoky halo]

@shell arch nope it doesnt work with just mosti she wastes too much time in sp lockout

[jovial nest]

Tex2 you have?

the 2 goddess FRDs are great for these types of things

[cunning river]

Tex2?

[smoky halo]

i feel like with stainless u can tho

[jovial nest]

Texas Alter

[smoky halo]

its just that the cycle may break

[jovial nest]

Yato Alter

[cunning river]

I have Texas Alter, I lack Yato

I'm using her S3

[lapis hornet]

amigo can you teach me how to is4

[strange fable]

i think he hasnt even touched that gamemode yet

he was grinding is3 or smth

[smoky halo]

i am too braindamaged rn to do stainless sp mafs

[jovial nest]

https://gamepress.gg/arknights/sites/arknights/files/2023-10/半身像_夏栎_skin2.png
Fuck....more reasons to raise Quercus..

[lapis hornet]

damn amigo left me on read

[cunning river]

Any suggestions to the setup I'm using?

[jovial nest]

which T?

T-1 still?

[smoky halo]

borrow mosti

[cunning river]

Mostima

[cunning river]

Yes

[smoky halo]

u have mosti?

[cunning river]

I don't think I have a single Mostima in my support

I have my own though

Just not raised

[smoky halo]

is she mod3?

[cunning river]

She's like E0 lv1

[shell arch]

Thanks fibri

[smoky halo]

time to add someone with mosti then

[cunning river]

Anyone have the calc of how much money you need for E2 lv something?

[smoky halo]

do u have the trust?

for mod

[cunning river]

I'm probably still broke but not sure

[shell arch]

So, sp regen that bypass sp lock in the game so far are:
Siege talent
Wgremlin first mod2?

[smoky halo]

she needs mod3 to work

[cunning river]

I have never used Mostima before

She's probably like trust 100 or something

[smoky halo]

uh i think thats it

[smoky halo]

go check first before using ur resources

[limpid siren]

T-1 is genuinely just spamming crowd control

[strange fable]

https://aceship.github.io/AN-EN-Tags/aklevel.html

[limpid siren]

same for T-2

[shell arch]

Would've been neat if mody st casters bypass sp lock

[smoky halo]

t-2 is more bruteforcable than t1

but yah just stall

[limpid siren]

shit up the chokepoints with stuff that slows, binds, stuns, sleeps, etc

[cunning river]

I literally have none of those units

[limpid siren]

you don't need exactly these units

you want to pick crowd control

[smoky halo]

use mosti

[limpid siren]

focus less on killing

[smoky halo]

true aoe cc too

[limpid siren]

and just surviving until the timer hits 0

[smoky halo]

since like theres 39583728 enemies

[shell arch]

I will sue you if there's only 39583727 or less enemies

[smoky halo]

igneus what did u use for grey in t1?

s1 or s2

[limpid siren]

s2

s1 sucks

[cunning river]

Coins means LMD, right?

[smoky halo]

i see

[strange fable]

yeah

[shell arch]

Coins are lmdeeznuts, yeah

[cunning river]

Yeah I'm still super broke then

[shell arch]

We all are broke

[smoky halo]

same

[shell arch]

No fibri, you're account damaged from not having meta units

[smoky halo]

me investing in glad for a3 only to clear it without her

[shell arch]

[smoky halo]

[shell arch]

Thoughts (and prayer) about carnelian module?

2nd carnelian module sounds poggers

[limpid siren]

it's joever amigo

lin is just better

[cunning river]

Well, Mostima did something, though not enough

Still the final rush killed me

[limpid siren]

add more crowd control until it works

[cunning river]

I was having both Irene and Rosmontis there

[limpid siren]

more

that's the whole point of the T stages

[cunning river]

Like who?

[limpid siren]

anyone that can apply CC to a large crowd of enemies

ethan and manticore both do well

harmonie s2 is available for every wave

projekt red and kafka can both buy chunks of time

[smoky halo]

i used mosti mizuki ethan

[jovial nest]

i didn't even do that. Unless Tex2 S3 being the only CC is good enough

i just killed them

[limpid siren]

wow i really don't care

[jovial nest]

then don't reply to a topic

[limpid siren]

you pinged me you dingus

i'm trying to help lancer

[jovial nest]

I'm telling you that there's more than one solution

[limpid siren]

i don't care

if killing isn't working

focus on crowd control

[smoky halo]

killing them is the first instinct

so if someone is here

it means killing them didnt work

[jovial nest]

you'd be surprised at how little experimentation is done before asking for help

[cunning river]

Okay, made it with 2Hp left

[limpid siren]

💪

[smoky halo]

gz

[cunning river]

That was incredibly tough, have no idea how hard the other stages are gonna be

[limpid siren]

T-2 will probably feel pretty vicious too

[glass monolith]

Easier than S-3...... Right?

[limpid siren]

just remember they're all timed

so if killing the enemy is too hard, try to shift your focus to stalling the waves out instead

[glass monolith]

Ethan paradox sim

[limpid siren]

this can be tough for rosters that didn't raise a bunch of cc units

ethan pretty good in T-2 as well

another solution is croissant s2 being fed by liskarm

[jovial nest]

IIRC Lin cheeses T-2

thats a suggested borrow due to how much harass she can take

[smoky halo]

he has penance tho

just let penance tank

[cunning river]

My cc units (if you can call them that) are W, Fiammeta, Rosmo, Chalter and I think that's it

Irene, you coud also say

[jovial nest]

yeah i don't call them CC units

[smoky halo]

u can probably arts nuke left side

in t-2

idk what are ur arts options

[cunning river]

How are you suppoesed to use Penance again? Last event I couldn't get what she was supposed to do

[smoky halo]

for t2

just deploy her last

so she eats mortar shots

[cunning river]

I'm kind of lacking in arts units

Eyja and I think that's it

[smoky halo]

the shield sniper shots too

[cunning river]

Goldenglow as well

[glass monolith]

You should specify Crowd Control, not whatever CC stands for in those events AK has

[smoky halo]

then press s3 to maintain her shiels

[cunning river]

I do have Lin but she's unraised

[smoky halo]

i think eyja is fine

eyja gg is probably good enough idk

go try ig

[cunning river]

Okay, but I gotta go sleep now

Thanks for the help

Sorry if last time I got pretty tilted

[shell arch]

But but, carnelian s2m3

[glass monolith]

Just use both

[limpid siren]

ako help told me that death is the best cc

therefore carnelian s2 bad

[shell arch]

:naruhodie:

[dark glade]

i can say that gg and eyja is enough

wait does mlynar count as arts

[smoky halo]

mlynar gets hit with atk down

so idk if he can shred

[shell arch]

So i found out that s2 carnelian applies slow but when overcharge, applies bind

Are there any enemies that's immune to bind but not to slow?

[dark glade]

slow as in sluggish or movespeed slow

because that just eik

[shell arch]

Slow as in suzuran slow

[dark glade]

on self destruction

ye

wait slow suzu slow

[smoky halo]

kristen

[dark glade]

aaaaa

[smoky halo]

oh wait nvm

i misread

[dark glade]

amigo succesfully baited 2 person

:ya:

[lapis hornet]

who's immune to bind?

[scarlet mortar]

kristen p1's immune to bind but not slow yh

[shell arch]

So i shouldn't be using overcharged s2 carnelian for eikmilizanito or whatever his name

[dark glade]

nono eik is immune to suzu slow

[scarlet mortar]

eik's immune to both

[smoky halo]

eik is immune to all cc except levi

[dark glade]

so hes immune to both on self destruct

[smoky halo]

during dash ofc

just use qani amigo

[jovial nest]

direct minus movement speed is also something he's not immune to

Mostima

and saria?

[shell arch]

So if an enemy resist slow, they're also most likely able to resist bind?

[smoky halo]

ya mosti good too

[smoky halo]

uh just check in enemy info

like most ppl

[strange fable]

what other enemies are slow immune

[shell arch]

I'm not ppl

[dark glade]

oh kristen just have ressist to cc tag on phase 1

[shell arch]

[strange fable]

was kirsten slow immune?

[smoky halo]

yeah iirc

[dark glade]

kristen is not immune to anything

unless this UI lie to me

[jovial nest]

Kristen has no immunities

[smoky halo]

phase 1

[dark glade]

'control effects'

what is control effects?

ask HG

[latent monolith]

stun sleep etc

actually it does include bind

[jovial nest]

control effects? really thats what its called? And I thought it was the Lonetrail gimmick

[latent monolith]

so it's a bit more general

[dark glade]

is my pict not uploaded or something?

thats ingame desc

[lapis hornet]

amigo can you explain how aspd works ty

[latent monolith]

because bind is generally not included in the standard cc immunities which are stun/sleep/freeze

[limpid siren]

@tidal sedge are you gonna buy diamante?

[latent monolith]

How is dos going so far

I've only done T1 and C3

[lapis hornet]

ppl are malding

think most ppl gave up s3

[smoky halo]

difficult

[lapis hornet]

but a3 seems to stump a fair deal

[tidal sedge]

I wouldn't bet on it. Valarqvin is underperforming to my standards outside of IS4. I might go with 6* stuff if I feel like playing with necrosis

Speaking of elemental damage, where is Warmy's burn support fr

[limpid siren]

that's fair

i was wondering if i could get away with skipping him too

but i might skip him anyway

at least for now

i still have to buy qanipalaat anyway

[scarlet mortar]

phase 1 is immune to everything, phase 2 is immune to nothing

[lapis hornet]

ok t1 is actually kinda annoying

[scarlet mortar]

ok well phase 1 is immune to everything except slow

but yh

[lapis hornet]

idr how I did it now

[latent monolith]

I kinda did random bs go on it, ft suzuran dorothy

I don't think I can repeat it but I can probably do a cleaner run

lappland was futile

[lapis hornet]

oh yeah I abused saria mosti lmao I remember now

ya lapp useless on third wave

[limpid siren]

too many spiders

blocking is bait

[glass monolith]

Laugh in Weedy S2 all but 1 spider

[limpid siren]

u just funny lightningbearer s2

and they all pop

[lapis hornet]

ngl I see the allure of mosti now

can literally perma slow with suzu saria mosti

[foggy grove]

ain't no way my mod 3 mosti finally see some use

[lapis hornet]

ya I was p happy about that ngl lmao

[latent monolith]

Lin is pretty funny

Me when I cheese

[latent monolith]

I'm raising her rn

Need caster chips

[high warren]

You did all IS monthly squads?

[latent monolith]

Yea ofc

Except the newest IS4 one, does that give caster chips

[high warren]

I still have spare chips of almost every role
Cuz I found out hack later

[high warren]

Prob not from what I recall

[latent monolith]

No it's guard

[spark sinew]

do you have atkspd pot

[latent monolith]

The aaking weedy tech

[glass monolith]

Pretty sure i am p0 on her

Maybe using Ines sword to slow

[spark sinew]

now, did you?

[brave sun]

nice skin bad op, but maybe module can save her copium. i probably should buy it before i forget

[spark sinew]

there's a second skin incoming

but idk if this one will rerun

[brave sun]

i see thanks. couldn't find it from google, so this is anni5 skin?

[spark sinew]

from the recent pv, should be for ch14

around that

[jovial nest]

It aint

Its an event

[brave sun]

i see thanks. is it a free skin?

[void terrace]

Hmmmmm

Aak weedy

No there's an idea

Why not just saileach weedy if not pot tho

[spark sinew]

oh yeah it's just an event

[brave sun]

hey man i am still using blackknight's free skin. it's great to me

[spark sinew]

worse than e0
idt that's what jusan meant

[spark sinew]

you just use ines' knife and weedy

throw mosti somewhere on the map as well

aaking weedy is...yeah

[brave sun]

but yeah if she is getting 2 skins idt she's getting a 3rd. tragic

or can just deploy ange

[sullen rover]

aaking weedy is wut

[spark sinew]

by that logic no one would get three skins

i wanted to say "deranged" but then i decided not to

[sullen rover]

y

[dark glade]

SA and suzu getting 3 skin be like

[spark sinew]

i hate how good his skin is

[dark glade]

-18 op

Cant be worse than stainless dupe

Wait its l2d

-24

Augh

[smoky halo]

21

[sullen rover]

are the effects out

[spark sinew]

it's even l2d?

[brave sun]

huh didnt know sa has 3 lol. his original skin is bad tho

[spark sinew]

24 is with the new VA lines

[brave sun]

and suzu skins are just different color

but yeah thanks all, looks like i will just skip this crossover skin

[spark sinew]

what have i done

[dark glade]

Dont worry hauck

I buy the qb new skin

I will make you proud

[sullen rover]

did you s2m3 gg though

[dark glade]

Yes

But not m9 eyjaberry

[brave sun]

i now spending 24 op instead of 18 op, surely this is a win

[spark sinew]

what

qb skin is not l2d

we were talking about SA

[brave sun]

oh grosss

[spark sinew]

why would that make me proud

[sullen rover]

do u hate qb?

[dark glade]

Do u hate qb

Or is this another ops you like base more

or even e1 art

[glass monolith]

Collab qb skin better, fight me

[sullen rover]

collab worse

[latent monolith]

Should I do S2M3 weedy, it's funny sometimes and I don't have much else to do

[spark sinew]

so far collab looks better

obviously we don't know skill anims and chibi yet, so maybe they're exceptional

[spark sinew]

did you buy the current skin though

[limpid siren]

honestly

weedy is the worst best unit in the game

but if you think you'll ever use s2

then like sure why not

[viscid raft]

Cliff pog?

[dark glade]

No i like black aesthetic more

[limpid siren]

Best 5* specialist

But specialist shift is probably just rope or shaw

[tidal sedge]

DPS Shift is guaranteed Cliff

[limpid siren]

Oh true

I am blind

[spark sinew]

skill anims are pretty good though

[tidal sedge]

It's one of the easier 5* tag combos to forget

[viscid raft]

love this game, they removed dps from me

i got shaw instead

[tidal sedge]

That sucks

[viscid raft]

ive never gotten the senior or top operator tag

[tidal sedge]

They're infrequent to rare

[spark sinew]

idr when i last done recruit manually
keeping track of all recruit combos sounds tiring

and you would miss some 5*

[dark glade]

Sus

[viscid raft]

amongus

i just look at the website

[tall cairn]

I too like the black aesthetic, but outfit animations are better imo.

Gotta get it.

[tidal sedge]

I remember the obvious 5* combos

[dark glade]

Yea animation are better i agree

[tidal sedge]

But at this point I don't really care if I miss a few 5*s

[dark glade]

but im not using qb anyway so i skip it

[tall cairn]

Wdym you don’t force qb into every stage.

[spark sinew]

and this man tried to say that he can make me proud

[tall cairn]

😔

[viscid raft]

I care cause I have no good units

[dark glade]

at this point hauck will unfriend me

[viscid raft]

and im broke

[tall cairn]

[tidal sedge]

It's very understandable if you're new or kinda new

[spark sinew]

more certs is more certs

if i didn't care i would just stop recruiting which i did for awhile

[viscid raft]

u wanna see who im working with

[tidal sedge]

But that's kind of the trajectory of gacha accounts in general. You care a lot about being optimal until it stops mattering.

[limpid siren]

Post-scarcity is inevitable

[viscid raft]

Now this is why u want to care

new operator lets go

[spark sinew]

you can raise her just in time for cc2!

[viscid raft]

i thought shes useless

[spark sinew]

tbf i didn't look at clears past phase1

did spec teams cut her?

[limpid siren]

She is useless to the average player

[viscid raft]

gg

[spark sinew]

do this

[versed arrow]

at least you got a new base slave

[spark sinew]

wait 4 years

[limpid siren]

Don’t do this

[spark sinew]

rack in the profits

[limpid siren]

The old guard drew a line in the sand for their base slave brainrot

[viscid raft]

Who to upgrade

[spark sinew]

third time you ask this q

[viscid raft]

i have short term memory loss

[tall cairn]

Prospective no 6* player?

[halcyon adder]

6 stars where

[viscid raft]

u mean weedy?

[halcyon adder]

Raise cutter

[spark sinew]

third time i would still say to upgrade shamare before astgene
wait why didn't you raise weedy

[viscid raft]

someone said they were useless

and expensive to e2 so not worth

ok shamare and cutter

[spark sinew]

content pushing wise i would actually go for hung

[viscid raft]

see kaze is carrying my team

[spark sinew]

but tbf if you really want to just maximize your long term profits you can just do shamare first instead

[viscid raft]

and myrtle ofc

[spark sinew]

and just borrow maxed ling for story pushing

yeah we know about your maxed myrtle

[viscid raft]

i think i can upgrade shamare rn to e2

i have enough mats

is ashlock worth e2ing or not really

[spark sinew]

i think your main gate might be catalysts

[viscid raft]

main gate?

[spark sinew]

"worth e2ing" is a weird subject
technically all ops baring like literally...3 or 4 are worth promoting (stuff like erato or kafka come to mind)

if you're using them

ashlock in particular gains a lot from s2 masteries and she likes the bump in stats from e2 levels
would she stomp the stages because of that? ehh

[limpid siren]

I wouldn’t

[spark sinew]

the thing that prevents you from just e2ing everything on your list

[viscid raft]

ok

[spark sinew]

the thing you run out of the fastest

[limpid siren]

You can borrow my ashlock to see how you feel about her at e2

In fact

I have a few 5* e2s if you’d like to try any

[spark sinew]

my 5* e2 would be closer to the performance you can expect, since i didn't max most of them

[viscid raft]

ok also between cutter and lapp, what circumstances are each of them better in

thanks but ik they arent gonna be good

[limpid siren]

Lappland is generally one of two things:

• generic lane dps
• a specific counter to enemies she can silence

Cutter i don’t really grok, she’s nuke dps
Simiar to lappland’s first point but usually better at the job

[viscid raft]

grok?

[limpid siren]

Understand

I don’t use cutter

So i don’t have a good answer, sry

[viscid raft]

i dont either

for me i use kaze and lapp as dps usually

so idk when i would use cutter

[spark sinew]

you probably wouldn't
i mean...she does damage

[limpid siren]

So, nuke dps is basically damage that comes as a big pop
Kazemaru’s doll spawning in is something i would call nuke dps, so this is something closer to how cutter performs

[spark sinew]

still the usual problems of being flimsy, not being that great vs high defense, etc

[viscid raft]

yeah i use her s2 for big waves and it feels nice

[limpid siren]

Cutter should feel similar

[viscid raft]

so youre saying cutter is more useful then kaze hauck?

[spark sinew]

where did i say that

[viscid raft]

i mean i have used her but idk about having a 3rd dps in my line up since i need vanguards and healers

[viscid raft]

i thought this explanation was pointing out the flaws of kaze in order to validate using cutter instead

idk

[spark sinew]

~~
you can make ashlock and cutter feel a bit better with shamare~~

oh those are cutter's flaws

at least kaze won't die horribly when she blocks two tanky enemies

[latent monolith]

Eh her sp is very low

[limpid siren]

Whose

[latent monolith]

cutter

[limpid siren]

I’d have no idea about that i don’t use stinky 4*s

[latent monolith]

It's something more like idk leonhardt s2 in that you use her skills all the time

[limpid siren]

I was just trying to relate kaze to cutter for unknown

In that the bulk of their damage comes from singular pops

[latent monolith]

It's more like a powerstrike than something like an actual nuke

[limpid siren]

Well

That depends on definitions

[latent monolith]

Yeah it does but it does give a general idea

the effective sp cost is like 6-7

[limpid siren]

I think it’s fine to relate two manually activated damage pops to each other

As weird as that sounds

[viscid raft]

I understood your explanation in a way igne

[latent monolith]

The difference with cutter is that it's not exactly one pop

you basically spam her skill during a wave

[viscid raft]

also hauck do i use shamares first or second skill in battle

[spark sinew]

always second

[limpid siren]

Not really relevant if you consider nuke dps as total damage dumped in <4s

[latent monolith]

Second always

[viscid raft]

ok ive been doing that at least

[limpid siren]

And power-strike as exclusively auto-activated skills

[latent monolith]

yeah but you get what I mean, you use it more like a manually activated powerstrike skill than something like degen S3 where you clear a whole set of mobs in one skill

[limpid siren]

I think we’re just getting caught up in details that don’t matter

When all i wanted to do was relate cutter to a unit that unknown already understands

[tidal sedge]

They have very similar bulk stats

[latent monolith]

Yeah but I don't think the comparision is very good

[limpid siren]

I don’t think it needs to be perfect to work

[tidal sedge]

Kazemaru is moreso indirectly bulkier because of strong skill on a very good cycle

[limpid siren]

Without wanting to be rude, the tiny details like this really just don’t matter much when you’re new and learning

Close enough is very often good enough

[tidal sedge]

Ah, true.

[latent monolith]

I still think it's a quite poor comparision tbh

[limpid siren]

And it’s important to not let perfect be the enemy of good

I think it’s a fine comparison

[viscid raft]

i just like kaze better cause she has 2 lifes wish she had 9 though

[limpid siren]

They both push out damage pops on a fairly regular interval

Sure there’s more to it than that

[latent monolith]

I feel it's reductive since cutter's cycle is very fast compared to kaze's

[limpid siren]

It is reductive

I’m talking to a new player

[latent monolith]

while you use kaze once or twice a wave, cutter uses it multiple times per elite

[limpid siren]

Welcome to the conversation

[latent monolith]

Yeah but I think it's too reductive and not useful by comparing it to kazemaru

[limpid siren]

Sharaths

[latent monolith]

like yes there's damage in a short interval but that's about where it ends

[limpid siren]

Literally all i am trying to do

Is to relate cutter to a unit this player already understands

There are differences

Yes

But those aren’t differences worth sweating over in this explanation

[sick basin]

been doing s3 blind and I give up

anyone have a good strategy? most of my 6* are at the 60's

[sullen rover]

burst cycling main lane then u just go for ceobe + supports for rhe boss

[smoky halo]

mlyanr suzu for the mobs then use arts for the boss, u can abuse boss's mechanic during phase transition to entomb ur units so u can just kill the tomb to redeploy instead of waiting the 140s redeploy timer,

ceobe is also rly good for this boss

[spark sinew]

one of them comes back after X seconds, all while still contributing, the other goes into quite long cooldown and literally doesn't contribute on the map at all

[viscid raft]

hauck i upgraded shamare did u say hung next

[sick basin]

I'm following kyos' guide but these are my level 60s I burned today. No LMD to raise more, and saria S3 and Suzu S3 have no masteries, so I'm borrowing someone's

I went from 900k LMD to 0 levelling them all up

[spark sinew]

texas3 huh

idt sail s1 does much here either

[sick basin]

she stuns the weeb+monster for a bit before they can kill mlynar

[smoky halo]

hm what r u having issues with specifically?

[sick basin]

I don't have suzu s3m3 to slow down the weeb

[spark sinew]

you literally have suzu on the screenshot though

are you borrowing not m3 one

[smoky halo]

arent u borrowing one tho

[sick basin]

mlynar keeps dying because suzu s3 doesn'T slow down enemies enough to stop 1 extra hit from any boss

[smoky halo]

well

go add someone then

with m3 suzu

then retry

[sick basin]

where?

[spark sinew]

can just add this guy

idr how big are sl7-m3 gains for suzu but i can see you using your own suzu and just borrow like mosti or qb

[smoky halo]

friend id or ask in help

i dont have suzu so i cant help u

[spark sinew]

i have suzu but you're better off getting someone with the module

i did this without sarias modx and without suzu mod and i had those weird problems with skills being a bit late

[dark glade]

i can confirm that level doesnt matter that much

wait dying

oh

wait

is this

just my ass carried by eyja

[spark sinew]

could be

i actually didn't have any issue with my suzu dying

[dark glade]

i kill myrtle and saileach

but thats intended

[spark sinew]

i think that's because i cut mostima

maybe the passive -speed from her aura made whisps do damage to suzu twice or some shit

[noble pewter]

Maybe u can replace texasalter with weedy s3 n put her behind mlynar at starting if opening weebs r ur problem, one activation with cannon both lane weebs get pushed all the way back to red box, buys u time to charge mlynar n suzu

[spark sinew]

i remember someone talking about how e2 69 suzu barely survived for them

mine is e2 60 and there were no problems but idr if the first guy used eyjalter

[dark glade]

i survived because eyja s3 for sure

[spark sinew]

oh wait i'm dumb

[dark glade]

but i also dont use ng

[spark sinew]

i just used NG

[dark glade]

yea if you have ng you just use ng i assume

[sullen rover]

i survived because uh reedic heals lol

[noble pewter]

Cause I don't think ur torrential sword rain texas much use for s3 due to the mid tiles a lot banned n if u need use it already mean enemy go past ur frontline, u also have enuf dps for boss already, so maybe a weedy will help u

[spark sinew]

oh you used s3

probably different deployment tiles then 🤔
lava does a bit of damage, i think s1 eyja barely kept up

[dark glade]

i deploy in the back

[spark sinew]

same, but i also need to deploy on the sides

so it's like... 3 ops that are hit by lava iirc

the record for buffless is 6 op right

just saw one with lin ceobe ng

oh it looks like there's plenty of variations with some fixed spots

[sick basin]

farthest I've gone

Nightingale died just before boss died and ptilopsis couldn'T keep up with the healing

[spark sinew]

yeah ideally you don't lose mlynar because your damage will plummet

[waxen swan]

Guys how are people supposed to do s3 without stack accounts?

[foggy grove]

you don't

and you don't need to

[spark sinew]

depending on how badly equipped you are you can try to do it with buffs

but yeah rewards are small so 🛌

[waxen swan]

Didn't even buff im too old for buff

Also boss mechanics was fun

[spark sinew]

i mean buffs reduce rewards a little

[foggy grove]

you can get all rewards by doing all t stage and up to a1 or a2 iirc

a3 for medal

[waxen swan]

I already finished everything for now was just wandering why s3 is there and ball to the wall hard for some reason

[spark sinew]

because it's basically an extra stage

that gives a little rewards

[foggy grove]

idk ask the sadistic designer

[spark sinew]

kinda like high risk in CCs, it's not expected from an average player to beat it

but it's nice to have an option to

[waxen swan]

Boss have like 2,5 form and decided to not sugar coat it and blew half the map

[jovial nest]

people just have to accept that there are content that cannot be cleared by a midgame acct

[spark sinew]

the coffin mechanic paired with increased redeploy time is very nice

[jovial nest]

with Maws too

but i didn't catch on how to abuse it

i thought it still have cooldowns

after release

[spark sinew]

maws come out too late

[waxen swan]

Can you not just get trap retreat destroy coffin redeploy

[spark sinew]

you can also just redeploy everyone instead

[jovial nest]

still abused enough that Maws were allowed to eat Saria and Mlynar

for an easy redep initial SP

[spark sinew]

yeah that's the way

[waxen swan]

Easy to abuse

[jovial nest]

very

[spark sinew]

but if you don't use that mechanic, you're punished with increased redeploy

win win

[waxen swan]

I can't see his flame sometimes though

Too much flame

[spark sinew]

what flame

whisps?

or the ranged attacks after he's grounded

[jovial nest]

you play mobile?

[spark sinew]

honestly visual clarify in AK sucks

[jovial nest]

it ain't with a bigger screen

[spark sinew]

especially when you go full buff army like in this event

[waxen swan]

I always play on phone

And yes it was lagging

[spark sinew]

as if you can tell shit apart on screen when there's saria suzu mly and some clutter from the boss

[jovial nest]

honestly doing hard content on phone...damn you guys are troopers

[sullen rover]

theresa anniv true? logos is the other 6 stars?

[jovial nest]

go to #cn-lounge

[spark sinew]

mods, speculation!

[waxen swan]

The sankta map lag for me

[sullen rover]

🤫 🧏‍♂️

[empty hawk]

Can I.. push any enemy on dos s3

[spark sinew]

did people figure out preliminary ascalon's kit

[waxen swan]

Push where ?

[empty hawk]

Nowhere stall

I guess I need slow

[spark sinew]

also there are two lanes

[empty hawk]

No suzu

[glass monolith]

He just stands here, MENACINGLY

[waxen swan]

Isn't everyone here fat as fuck

[spark sinew]

he?

[waxen swan]

Like everyone is weight 3

[glass monolith]

Fuck i don't know

[sullen rover]

uh everyone there is weight 3 and above

[spark sinew]

looked like a she to me, but ymmv

[empty hawk]

Angelina will surely help

[sullen rover]

its a she

[waxen swan]

Surely

[sullen rover]

literally has big ass boobs

[glass monolith]

I didn't look even. I know it is new characters for me and i won't read lore

[waxen swan]

Surely ange isn't cope

[spark sinew]

it's not even new char

[glass monolith]

Which part of i didn't read you didn't read

[sullen rover]

[spark sinew]

proper modern 6* ambusher has huge potential

surely

[sullen rover]

shes hot its all that matters

[spark sinew]

also looking at recent cn banners...

i mean everyone is hot, it's gacha

or well, supposed to be

[sullen rover]

some people are born hotter

or uh operators

[latent monolith]

HG about to cook the most diabolical series of must pulls

[glass monolith]

Need next limited to be AH as well just as finishing move

[spark sinew]

more like we're already knee deep in powercreep

the worst operator since degen is what, Zuo

laughable

[glass monolith]

DoS S-3 is "Consequences of our actions. And will only get worse"

[latent monolith]

Isn't hoe after degen

[spark sinew]

he's not

degen is after vivi arturia

and hoed is before them

[waxen swan]

Hoed pretty bad ngl

[latent monolith]

I think he's overhated but I can understand considering the string of banners that come immediately after

[waxen swan]

I guess people were hoping mountain level of sub class revive

[sullen rover]

hes pretty well designed for a shitty subclass like crusher

[lapis hornet]

he doesn't look bad tho just unremarkable

[waxen swan]

Being unremarkable is bad here

[spark sinew]

i mean it's you pulling for him

or using those here

the choice is pretty clear, power wise

[lapis hornet]

just pull everyone what's the problem

[sullen rover]

the problem is people are poor

[spark sinew]

i'd say jess> hoed as well, if we actually considering banners before degen

[waxen swan]

Money

[drowsy jewel]

yeah just dump lots of moners for gacha moners

[waxen swan]

Jess actually do something interesting

[lapis hornet]

honestly other than shu I'm not sure any of those will rly increase my acc power lvl beyond 9000

[jovial nest]

what is this disservice

[spark sinew]

ascalon is probably also strong because anbushers

[viscid raft]

Is ela even worth pulling if they are going to get power crept later on in the game. Unless youre going for the character only

[lapis hornet]

degen might be good tho will have to try

[jovial nest]

Zuo with those 4?

lmao

[sullen rover]

??? everyone is gonna get powercrept at some point

even mlynar

even degenbrecher

[jovial nest]

well, if those happen

[viscid raft]

Collab characters get powercrept the most in gacha games from my experience

[jovial nest]

it might be near EoS

[spark sinew]

ela is also easiest to get

[jovial nest]

I mean

Surtr is still relevant

[sullen rover]

people said the same thing about chalter

[waxen swan]

Well there not there to be the absolute best

[sullen rover]

[jovial nest]

and she's a fossil now in terms of Gacha life

[waxen swan]

Surtr use case have been getting lower and lower

[lapis hornet]

eyja still good

[jovial nest]

Surtr's only value is in harder content

[drowsy jewel]

If this is bait lol
If you're serious don't go down a slippery slope logical fallacy, if they're performing in today's meta then why not pull the creep tends to be not that fast for this type of games

[jovial nest]

which is the 5% of AK content

[drowsy jewel]

and HG is doing great on their events atleast as older units can still be used

[lapis hornet]

from first impressions ela was close to peak performance but we'll see when hype dies down

[jovial nest]

Ela's value is easy fragile and slow

its something i wanted a long time ago

an easier Suzu

no need for HoT

just the debuffs

[spark sinew]

looks like a modern aa sniper to me

[lapis hornet]

what's hard about suzu

[spark sinew]

everyone is summoner now

suzu has a lot of problems

[jovial nest]

its her being pointless on cooldown (imo)

[spark sinew]

long skill duration, fairly big cd

[viscid raft]

Is ray going to be good

[jovial nest]

yeah

she is

[spark sinew]

and her numbers being too big because of that

so you overkill 99% of content with that

[halcyon adder]

Even mlynar useless on cooldown

[jovial nest]

he taunts and his SP cost ain't high

you can do 3 cycles of S3 in one normal fight

[sullen rover]

just dont play that content

[spark sinew]

to play the 1%, i need to slog through 99%

[lapis hornet]

you can argue she's not needed most of the time but idk what's hard

[jovial nest]

it's in your name...

[rose patrol]

Good that T-3 feels a bit easier compared to last two

[jovial nest]

really?

T-3 is weaker?

[spark sinew]

unless in your game you can just jump to the penultimate stages

[jovial nest]

lame

[sick basin]

HOLY SHIT 2ND GUIDE TRY

[spark sinew]

instead of doing the early ones first

[glass monolith]

And AP-5 is closed. Game is shit

[jovial nest]

grats my dude

[jovial nest]

chip time

[plucky badge]

thoughts on goldenglow S1 for DOS S3 as replacement for Ceobe?

[sick basin]

Texalt was good for when ceobe died to a fireball during the boss phase

[jovial nest]

oh def and medic voucher is open

time to freshen up on those

[rose patrol]

Farm those guard chips for hoederer

[spark sinew]

should be pretty bad, but might work

[sullen rover]

nowhere near ceobe damage
and i really mean NOWHERE

[spark sinew]

there are 6 op clears without ceobe at all

so you can just add more shit

[jovial nest]

thats quite the copium

it reminds me of people who want a "Thorns substitute"

[spark sinew]

hell that 6 op doesn't even use ifrit s3

[sullen rover]

like if you have her with a bunch more supports