strategy

[remote perch]

if you don't mind borrowing other peoples units, borrowing a mlynar or galter makes your life easier

[ivory leaf]

Mudrock:D

[remote perch]

i don't think mudrock can survive skullshatter

[ivory leaf]

I'm joking

:]

[remote perch]

[ivory leaf]

Anyways I'ma do my grind early so I can sleep early yippie

[remote perch]

goodluck

[ivory leaf]

OH I also forgot to say what level should I stop upgrading my characters skill?

[remote perch]

you can stop at lvl4 for the less used ops
go for 7 for the good ones like exu, firewatch, click, silverash

[ivory leaf]

Alrighty

[vernal lion]

things you may forget

[stable dune]

how do your friends hold attention spans for 3 days

[glass monolith]

(Helldivers OST start playing on background)

[near folio]

Why did I agree to this

[sleek gust]

Need help with CV-3

[vernal lion]

that's why you need Ling for that

[vernal lion]

post your roster

[sleek gust]

Roster?

[void terrace]

Units

[sleek gust]

It takes so freaking long to load an image

Sure

Its the same load out i had used for CV-2

[vernal lion]

can you promote that Eyja?

[sleek gust]

I am short on resources

By a small margin

[vernal lion]

also switch lappland skill 1 to skill 2

she will deal arts dmg with during her s2

[sleek gust]

Okay

[vernal lion]

so the CV-3 map is just simple

bottom is defender enemy, top with 2 lanes, 1 with normal enemy, 1 with also defender enemy too

and you know defender is high on DEF stat

so using arts dmg to counter

[deft badger]

❤️just because i am a eyja fan

[vernal lion]

your roster is fine, but you don't have strong enough arts dmg dealer now

this is the CV defender enemy stat

it may look weak, but they are being started with Energy, it's the main mechanism in this event

enemy with Energy will get more ATK and DEF based on how high it is

[glass monolith]

Each 1 energy is 10% ATK and 20% DEF

[vernal lion]

they have 15 Energy from beginning, so it's 150% ATK and 300% DEF buff

[sleek gust]

Usually my strat that doesnt work

[vernal lion]

btw you do know that Mudrock can't be healed, right?

[sleek gust]

I know

[vernal lion]

aight

[vernal lion]

in the end, your main issue is lacking arts dmg

[deft badger]

btw have u done IS monthly squads?
sry for jumping in... go and e2 ur schwarz and e1 eyja

[sleek gust]

The strat works at first but when the shields come its when i get stragglers

[void terrace]

Lap s2 can deal some arts but it's inconsistent. Eyja e1 is your best bet

[sleek gust]

Do i put lappy on the bottom or top?

[near folio]

Yea shit there is no way to do Jessica Alter trickshot or explosion save on ios

Its not humanly possible to do the required taps on time without pause deploy

[sleek gust]

Well, that did not work

They keep breaching the perimeter

[glass monolith]

Which side? Also can't you engage enemies on top left before they anywhere near funny vent which buffs them?

[sleek gust]

Top side

Its always the top side

[deft badger]

e2 something how do u plan to do the rest of the event later on?

probably best would be gg atm there are bipolar nanoflake's in the shop

[sleek gust]

Ok sk it works

But i will lose some towers jn the process

And 3 close calls

Bruhhh

I did the same strat on the actual thing and the bottom got breached

[deft badger]

u are ignoring, nagas suggestion to e1 or e2 a op because u think that u are low on resources but u are not... just go in to this and do monthly squads
then e2 schwarz or do gg since nanoflakes are in the shop if u have the mats for schwarz do schwarz...

u can even get the mats for schwarz they are in the first 20 lvls

with one of those two u can clear the entire event till cv8, don't know for later how EX stages are going to look like but u can do more then just one e2 atm

[sleek gust]

Not like i can do it right now

[deft badger]

do story 3-8

its worth it trust me..

[sleek gust]

Sur.

[deft badger]

IS is going to be ur main mats income for the coming months, with events

[deft badger]

have u cleared that...

[sleek gust]

No

[deft badger]

then u are not out of resources...

[sleek gust]

Uhh, okay

[deft badger]

u can auto run, 1st and 2nd stage in the event for sanity

but do 3-8 first so that u can go in IS when u are low on sanity

then just spam auto on one of the 2 u can run, doesn't really matter which get the lmd xp from the event shop

and get ur self a e2

[sleek gust]

Ok

Question, E2 is 2nd skill rigth?

I look stupid rn

[deft badger]

e2 is the 2nd promotion

[sleek gust]

Ok

[deft badger]

which unlocks rd3 skill on 6 star ops

in general they all feel kinda meh till u get them on e2

schwarz feels like trash right now but e2 her and u will realize she is op

[sleek gust]

Hey there an alternative to getting more headhunt permits?

[heady sphinx]

wait, what was the original problem? CV-3?

[deft badger]

annihilation, gives u enough yellows so that u can recruit one from the shop

[sleek gust]

Enemy keeps breaching the top perimeter

[deft badger]

u still have all the rewards open there so u can get pulls from there as well

[sleek gust]

Or simply, enemy spammjng

[deft badger]

u are getting for each new first clear, so yes u can stack up really much early on

[heady sphinx]

You know you don't need to use the highest rarity ops you have right?

[sleek gust]

Yeah i know

I began using several lower tier ops for it

Like Cuora

[deft badger]

just go and push for story 3-8 now u will be back later since that stage isn't easy xD

[sleek gust]

Thanks

I really do want to acquire a Jessica with a liberator

[heady sphinx]

its not that difficult to complete that stage, and the advice of raising 6* ops is misleading. all you need is like 2-3 defenders, a spash caster, two other casters you have, and a medic

[deft badger]

nothing useful right now in it anyway...

[sleek gust]

I mean, Saria

But nah

[deft badger]

yeah she is good but i don't know if i would give 180 for her

better w8 for something better

[sleek gust]

Im just gonna spend it on Permits

Thats it

[deft badger]

nah u don't have too

just keep them for now..

[sleek gust]

Okay

[deft badger]

there is nothing to pull on for u atm anyway

i would w8 for virtuosa in ur case and then degen

keep the yellows and hope for some meta ops to come in the next weeks

but u are stacked atm anyway schwarz gg eyja are more then fine

[sleek gust]

I have been really unlucky with pulls

[vernal lion]

so am I

[deft badger]

u have 6 six stars

are at the beginning of the game, that's not unlucky

btw stop pulling blue banners in case u do lol

kinda have the feeling some of them are from blue

now do 3-8, then autorun event stage 1 or 2 till u are out of sanity, go in to is2-3-4 do monthly squads get the rewards

e2 schwarz or gg, u can do two anyway plus 1 4star

[heady sphinx]

3 starts with the exception of kjera, but thats because i just used the lowest level caster I have

replace her with steward, and and you can easily complete the level

or even your amiya

[sleek gust]

Hold on

[heady sphinx]

point I'm making is you don't need to raise any of your higher rarity ops. start with the basic 3*s, and as you get higher rarity ops, just slowly replace the 3 stars with said higher rarity ops

trying to use as high of a rarity as possible when you are still a beginner is just making things harder for yourself since it takes so much more to raise them compared to 3 stars

[deft badger]

he did put already a lot of xp and lmd in his high ops, no point doing 3 stars now since in 2-3 hours he can have two e2 six stars

so like i did say just do 3-8 and the rest that i named u are going to be fine

more then fine u can finish normal stages after that with zero effort

[heady sphinx]

if he is struggling to complete one of the early stages of a event, he should invest in 3 star ops

[deft badger]

no he should not, since there isn't a need to complete them right now

the event runs for the next week, so he has time to finish it... now 3-8 get that e2 finish the normal stages til cv8 after that clear that shop

ex stages open today i think

[heady sphinx]

like I said, its better to have a foundation of 3* and slowly introduce higher rarity ops in his team then to make a foundation of 5-6 star

[deft badger]

that was in the past...

not when u are now able to do in 2 days this, let me find a screenshot

3 days max casual

[heady sphinx]

That means nothing to me. my advice to him was to invest in some 3 star operators and not depend on higher rarity ops since he is a beginner. trying to make higher rarity work is just a pain since you need to invest a ridiculous amount of exp and lmd for them to outperform 3 stars. he asked for help on a stage, I gave him a roster that he clearly has and can raise easily if he hadn't leveled them yet

I'm not going to argue about "how fast I can level my units". he asked for help, I sent him something that he can easily follow without telling him to raise a few 6*

[deft badger]

that will be just a waste of lmd and xp in his case...

[heady sphinx]

Hope my advice helped mate. good luck with the event

[deft badger]

not even arguing just saying what his best option is, same for u
yes do couple 3 stars kroos spot no need for the rest

before he wastes time to do one stage that is going to give him literally nothing for passing it, wasted time and lmd/xp he could just spend couple hours on doing IS monthlies then casual roll over the event stages till the end and call it a day

if he is stuck on cv3 he will be stuck on the next one and the point isn't to spoon feed people help them long-term

[pure mortar]

On the topic of unreliable advice from multiple sources, what y'all think the best start would be for new, snow IS? Focus on building casters or snipers, which ops would be the best to borrow

[agile perch]

Reedic

[surreal lily]

Durin

[deft badger]

the talk wasn't even about whats the best for IS

its just whats the best start for a new acc right now, efficient in my opinion is that what i named

[pure mortar]

Anything, really, I don't know what to start with, but if Reed alter is good, I'll borrower

[tidal sedge]

Balls

[pure mortar]

explains all the screen caps with people bringing her along

[deft badger]

IS4 for me the best start is exe... !for me! 😄

[pure mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-cement-concrete-conk-creet-gif-4802540077244415470

[deft badger]

https://youtu.be/tYzmS9oqDnA?t=1

here why i like exe 😄

[sleek gust]

BTW i am still on S2-12

[deft badger]

snipers

u can even add bluepoison on top of that

2-10 use a guide from youtube

its a premade squad u get to use

[sleek gust]

2-10 now

And look at all those enemy types

2 sides too

[deft badger]

actually no 2-10 isn't premade 😄

borrow texasalter or yatoalter skill 2

[sleek gust]

I can just use whatever the guys YT is doing

[deft badger]

if u can do it on ur own just do it...

if u can't borrow one of those 2 ops

they will solo him

[sleek gust]

Ok

Squad set up brb

[sleek gust]

Swordsman or Vanguard?

[deft badger]

specialist

[cosmic thicket]

I will say it's probably not a great habit to constantly rely on support ops for "hard" stages

[timber bear]

Guys for lane soloing I have 3 mushas akafuyu noir cone alter and utage which one is better musha to pick?

[deft badger]

fast redeploy btw u can drop and recall them after they killed the target...

[cosmic thicket]

2-10 is not a particularly difficult stage if you know mechanics

[cosmic thicket]

Probably noir or akafuyu, utage is mostly used for helidrop s2

[timber bear]

If need to invest on one which one?

[cosmic thicket]

I think akafuyu is probably slightly easier to use with S2, but noir has more advanced applications with S1 dodging

[deft badger]

is noir fun to use? like in the videos i have seen on youtube..

[cosmic thicket]

I haven't used him

But he seems alright

[timber bear]

Hmm then I should go to akafuyu thanxx

[deft badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnXgDXNzI-Q&ab_channel=Windgesang

[sleek gust]

Man, i got 1 straggler

[cosmic thicket]

no I've seen him used as well

[heady sphinx]

From 2-10?

Which side?

[deft badger]

https://youtu.be/6chpQfMniSs?t=3

u have even some better ops then i do.. but its just a example how to use yalter

[sleek gust]

Tiny drone

It Got past the caster just before she died from a grenade

[deft badger]

marksmen, u can put a kroos there she is going to kill her

doesn't have to be leveled

actually put exu on right side with a tank healer, schwarz left side with eyja healer and something to block them

[sleek gust]

There we go, 3 stars

[deft badger]

schwarz refuses to target drones sometimes

[heady sphinx]

I know you said you figured it out already, but this is just another example of just having a good core

once you understand enemy movement, its just a matter of using the right tools for the job

[agile perch]

Or e2 a 4 star and borrow ling to solo the whole game

[heady sphinx]

love/hate how ling can trivialize 99% of the game

great for trust farms though, which is why I use ling

[celest bluff]

Say, if i have +120 aspd then yato s1 is better that 2 and 3 right

[heady sphinx]

Depends on the situations really

[deft badger]

still depends on def, scales kinda similar to exu s3

she does a bit of arts dmg i think as well? not sure

[celest bluff]

Oh I still need to care about about boss cc effect (freeze, slow aspd) which s2 and 3 is immune to

[heady sphinx]

S2 is true AOE, so thats 16 hits for every enemy in range.
S3 is also true AOE, and is guaranteed to do damage as she has I-frames during the skill activation.

[celest bluff]

Well damn

[heady sphinx]

also, s2 is immune to CC during its skill activation

[sleek gust]

Bruh, the second i was bout to give up, the game decided to give me Jessica with a Liberator

Which level was it for Schwarz?

[deft badger]

should i ask how much u invested in to pulling her 😄

[sleek gust]

Above 110 permits

[deft badger]

wasted...

[sleek gust]

I’ve been saving alot of these permits for 2 years

Most of these pulls barely got me anything anyways

[deft badger]

she wasn't worth that pulls...

[sleek gust]

So i give up every 20 pulls

[deft badger]

how do u mean that?

[sleek gust]

Like you said where is can Grind

[deft badger]

do story 3-8 and its not for schwarz in general to open up IS do monthly squads there and pickup the rewards

then e2 schwarz or gg

i don't know if u have mats for schwarz

but u can get them as well

schwarz

[sleek gust]

Okeh

Mats?

[deft badger]

goldenglow

[deft badger]

do u have those?

[sleek gust]

No

[deft badger]

are u able to craft them

workshop lvl3, base

u can get 3 of them in the first 20 lvls in each IS or just make them in the base

if u go for gg, there are 5 in the event shop

[heady sphinx]

Before getting lost in the weeds, what is you goal when getting and leveling operators? If you don't have a decent core, you should invest some time in getting them. Off the top of my head, I try to go with 2 decent vanguards, 2 defenders, 2 casters, 2 snipers, 2 medics, 2 guards. I start off with 3 stars, then slowly upgrade that comp with any new rarity operator. Most of the game can be completed with 3 stars anyway, so no need to break the bank in investing in higher rarity and should focus on completing story missions and building the base

[deft badger]

spend month sitting on e1s in process, unable to finish evets lose and mats
at a point the will to play the game... xD

but who cares u will have 3stars and guides

[heady sphinx]

The idea of me suggesting 3 stars and showing what ops I use in the stages is to see the roles being used. If I'm using 2 defenders, they can use any 2 defenders they have. if they have hosiguma and saria, and I'm using spot and beagle, they can easly swap the two defenders I used with the ones they have. I'm not saying "beat the game with only 3 stars", I'm saying here is the minimum to beat this stage, here are the operators that serve a role in completing the stage.

The idea is to have a basic foundation of operators TO complete the stages. using higher rarity ops will make things easier, but not everyone has them, and not everyone likes borrowing them.

[deft badger]

have u even spend a sec looking at his ops 🙂

[heady sphinx]

I have, which he can easily replace anything I'm recommending with its higher star variant

but even with the ops he has, if he is struggling with stages using those ops, the issue might not be he doesn't have the tools for the job, but rather just needing some help on how to use the tools he has

[deft badger]

sry i am just going to say again that u don't know what u are talking about since it doesn't make sense to me to do that... if its going to take him weeks or months to lets say be able to do that stage which ever he atm is doing ok, but we are talking about hours here

so no point on wasting mats for 6 other ops "3stars" which he doesn't even need

btw he isn't strugling becasue he doesn't have ops to use

its more a skill issue

[heady sphinx]

It takes a fraction of both the lmd and exp to raise 3*s, which is why I suggest them. "its more a skill issue" literally the entire point of me suggesting 3 stars. You see I use a 3 block 3star defender, replace with your 5 star. You see I use 3 star sniper, you use your 6 star. You see you only raised 1 defender, here is a cheap 3 star you can quickly raise and use.

You start off with understanding the basics, and just upgrade from there. he just completed 2-10. he doesn't need any 6* anytime soon

[deft badger]

if u are referring to the video, its what i have on low lvl.. couldn't borrow a e1 yato otherwise xD

i kinder have the feeling u see people as stupid, why wouldn't he need it

maybe he wasn't to do today story cp8

finish the event

grind out IS till end of the week

so how do u know what his needs are, u are going by ur needs which u did have when u have been starting

[heady sphinx]

And theres the hostility again. I'm not referring to your video, I'm referring to people suggesting leveling/e2ing operators instead of working with what he has. its an event stage, not chapter 12 or whatever chapter we are currently on.
My suggests are bare minimum requirements on completing a stage, which is why I use 3*s because everyone should have it. sometimes people need to take a step back and see the stage before trying to brute force your way.

I'm done with this, keep spouting whatever toxic talking points you want, I'm done talking to a wall.

[deft badger]

have u been sleeping the past months, look at minimum requirements for eyja alter event EX - S stages...

requirements have shifted, from borrow one six star to own 2 and borrow ling

most of the past events have not been new player friendly, if u ask some people
i would say its ok, since u still can do much more then use 3 stars, u have been able to do that past year as well, my main did have 2nd week 6 e2 six stars because i wasn't to lazy to grind the hell out of IS

now its even easier is2 and is3 has all mothly squads open u can easy e2 two six stars first day of playing

[cosmic thicket]

literally just SL though? IC as long as u got past IC-2 (you could literally 2* it) you were fine
Typhon mini event is 8 random stages so it's whatever

[deft badger]

but still its so not friendly to new people xD

[bold lance]

Almost like S stages never were

[cosmic thicket]

what even constitutes as "friendly to new people" lmao

[bold lance]

Dunno but apparently guy should E2 someone to do CV-3? Or was it CV-2?

[deft badger]

well expecting them to have 2 specific six stars then on top of that to borrow ling is for me not friendly

[heady sphinx]

cv-3

[cosmic thicket]

which stage is this

[deft badger]

don't know it was one of the S stages as far i can remember doesn't even matter

and the sugestion wasn't do E2 a opt to cv-3

[cosmic thicket]

I legitimately can't think of a stage that requires 3 6* in a guide aside from H10-3 and some H12 stages

[deft badger]

it was stop wasting time after 1 hours spending here several people explaining how to do

[heady sphinx]

Literally this whole argument stemmed from me suggesting to invest in some 3 star operators to clear the basic stages that someone was having trouble with

[deft badger]

just go and do 3-8 u will not need help after that

[bold lance]

Kyo needed two 6 stars for SL-S-5 CM. The horror.

[cosmic thicket]

wow two 6*

that's crazy

[bold lance]

Wild

[deft badger]

then dude here wants to convince him to get a full set of 3 stars

[heady sphinx]

sorry for suggesting something so crazy

[deft badger]

but the guy already has all the ops needed to pass that stage actually doesn't even matter

[cosmic thicket]

I mean building the good 3* is obvious

[deft badger]

its just skill issue in the end

[cosmic thicket]

The other 3* are whatever

[deft badger]

now we stuck in a hourlong conversation who has which needs

as far i am concerned, its build ops that are going to help u do IS3
spend ur time there build what u want

[cosmic thicket]

lol

[deft badger]

literally what i done, first week push surtr thorns e2, 2nd week grind out IS2 and have 6 e2 six stars enjoy events since u can brain afk

that was my start

[cosmic thicket]

this is a recipe for burnout for a lot of people

[bold lance]

Yeah, we are aware you are lame.

[deft badger]

was at that time, now its spend 2 hours do monthlies

e2

done

[heady sphinx]

New player guide:
-e2 surtr
-e2 thorns
-grind is2
-have 6 e2 six stars
-ignore all other ops
-profit?

engage with event mechanics? nah, brute force everything

[deft badger]

profit, i was stacked and didn't skip even one event since i started what do u mean where is the profit

[heady sphinx]

I got burnout listening to your start

[cosmic thicket]

tfw your new player guide requires 20 free hours a week

also most players don't have 2 broken 6*

[deft badger]

that was past year, this year looks like this after 16 hours

[heady sphinx]

you can post that all you want, it does nothing to help your case

[cosmic thicket]

yeah I wouldn't recommend this to anyone

it requires a crap ton of time investment early which a lot of people don't have

[deft badger]

but its still the most efficient

even if u have 1-2 hours a day

[quick pecan]

base has left the chat

[cosmic thicket]

this may come as a shocker to you

[deft badger]

u get the most out of it when u are out of sanity to go in to monthly squads and do them free mats

[cosmic thicket]

but there's more to life than playing a 4 year old gacha game

[glass monolith]

Login - If new/undone stages : do them - If no : farm shit - Do bases every 12 hours.... 24... OKAY I FORGOT ABOUT IT FOR 48 IT OVERCAPPED AND BURNING - If have free time : do IS/SSS

[deft badger]

its still up for everyone to decide for them how they wanna do it, i am going to say what's the most efficient
sry that i don't stfu when i see someone wasting braincells for 1 hour on cv-3, i suggest to do something else

[quick pecan]

monthly squads are fine yes but spamming is for full rewards is very different from that

[deft badger]

i haven't even told them go and spam is 😄

we didn't get there

tomorrow after they are done with IS monthlies lol

[cosmic thicket]

the solution to a skill issue isn't "here's 20 hours of AK homework", it's actually explaining things like targeting priority and all that

[celest bluff]

Well time to-

FUCK

[deft badger]

bro it was all explained from naga
failed anyway, doesn't even matter IS monthly ain't hard or story till 3-8..
they are going to learn it sooner or later anyway

[scarlet mortar]

in reserve sniper we trust

[celest bluff]

Would be bearable if I have Kroos

But unfortunately

1 hope

[celest bluff]

We all gonna die

[glass monolith]

At that time he knew. It wasn't IS4

[celest bluff]

I reached level 50 on IS4

[scarlet mortar]

the same day i started doing IS4 i got level 50

still grinding to d10

[celest bluff]

I don't get why it is so easy to lv 50 IS4

Fast

[scarlet mortar]

bosky and faster climbing score multipliers i think

also more vertical nodes

[cosmic thicket]

yeah

[celest bluff]

Vertical nodes not locking behind keys but the ability to see ahead of you normally

[scarlet mortar]

shrimply draft all-rounders

[quick pecan]

naga had good advice but it was gameplay mechanics related which is what halley is emphasizing your advice lacked

telling someone to just go grind a bunch of squads and not explaining what that entails (not how the game mode worksh doesn’t really do much for them. neither does sending a screenshot of a roster. all that screenshot told me is what ops you had and what you chose to e2.

[scarlet mortar]

if your squad can't win against all stages in a floor you should reset :cluel

(advice does not work beyond f3)

[deft badger]

angle that screen wasn't even for him

[celest bluff]

Now I will go see if reverse sniper can win mutual aid

[celest bluff]

(98% we will die)

[scarlet mortar]

honestly regardless of how effective the advice here is it's well on its way to give the average new player burnout

[deft badger]

and i don't know why u wanna spoon feed everyone the game isn't hard to understand, non explained s- to me when i started

and if they did i ignored like 90% of it

[quick pecan]

how is it spoonfeeding when they’re asking for advice

[deft badger]

they ain't stupid

so they will figure it out

[quick pecan]

yeah maybe you should’ve just left it to naga

their advice was actually good 🫡

[deft badger]

i did dude

the thing is even if someone asks here for help, 5 other people join

[celest bluff]

My arknights experience:
Brute forces shits
Actually figured out smart way to play
Still brute forces because it is fun

[deft badger]

overloading my brain who understands like most of the terms i don't wanna know how they feel

[celest bluff]

Okay guys

Where do I put the reverse sniper now

[scarlet mortar]

copege

[glass monolith]

My progress of AK can be sumarized as:
Brute force shit with 6*s
Figure out how to play
Brute force shit with 5*s, sometimes 6*s

[heady sphinx]

iirc, three spaces above the blue box

[scarlet mortar]

ngl i just tried pulling on whatever banner looks cool at the time

regardless of whether i get the op i still clear stages

so what does it matter really

[heady sphinx]

My progress of AK is:
-use quartz and quercus
||-cope with losing a few times||
-quitProfit

[scarlet mortar]

unga first worry later

[celest bluff]

I play this game for long enough that I can make mistakes and get away with it

[scarlet mortar]

when you get into a new game you shouldn't tryhard anw

[glass monolith]

#strategy message Sir you on right way

[scarlet mortar]

most gacha games i dropped the moment i was given a checklist of stuff to farm every day

i didn't ask for a day job with a side of waifu

[heady sphinx]

||This is my exact method of beating him! raised quartz to e2 max with m3 on s1 and just got quercus module||

I should probably calculate quercus hps. pretty sure its one of the highest in the game

[scarlet mortar]

someone send the chart

[scarlet mortar]

f

[celest bluff]

Next time

Dorothy pick

[glass monolith]

Next time don't deploy anyone to MoM buff archer

It won't works and you will die, but will look cool

[celest bluff]

Doesn't matter, first stage so that is only 20%

Wasn't there when Dorothy Vision rerun

-300k LMD

[scarlet mortar]

i mean 20% on doro is still quite a bit

[celest bluff]

-No materials

[scarlet mortar]

l

[celest bluff]

Tried to pull for Jessica

Game gave me stainless

Then do this to me

[deft badger]

trying to bait u in to pulling more xD

[scarlet mortar]

congrats on the jessica

[glass monolith]

Now pull U-official

[deft badger]

i wish they would give us 1k leveles on IS so that i have something to do

[celest bluff]

Or let you farm the lv early

Like just give me the rewards later I don't mind

[deft badger]

but the 150 are not enough as well

[rich rune]

Guys, for the Saint Carmen boss fight in is3, all you need to make him a trivial boss is a good healer and Jaye s1. He literally just stands there and can't do anything while Jaye chips away his health.

Saint Carmen got no melee attack.

[glass monolith]

????

[rich rune]

Jaye's low attack interval + s1 silencing = easy boss fight.

[glass monolith]

Saint Karen is not "None attack" entity, he should still attack without ammo

[rich rune]

It literally did nothing while he was silenced.

He just sat there and reloaded. And then his bullets did not damage.

[glass monolith]

You sure you didn't cope dodge/shield on deploy relics?

[rich rune]

The only damage was from the sarkaz crossbowman rush towards the end.

Or maybe I'm just RNGesus

[glass monolith]

Only way to take no damage is dodge and shield, otherwise at least 5% of enemy atk... Btw Mousse + Vent causing event boss to have 0 atk

[rich rune]

Been awhile so I don't remember what collectables I had.

So maybe just godly dodge RNG

[deft badger]

d15 is such a b- sometimes...

who can slow on AA and has a decent atk speed? @glass monolith

4-5 star anything

[somber stone]

May?

[deft badger]

thats on 3sec

with m3

need something that goes harder like suzu s2 xD

[rich rune]

Mint s2 can pseudo-slow lightweight enemies.with the pulling. Or earthspirit s2 max w/ module.

[deft badger]

doesn't she slow on AA as well?

[somber stone]

All chain casters do

Build passenger 👍

[deft badger]

what i thought right now...

[rich rune]

And get module for better damage and crowd control.

[glass monolith]

Moduled S1M3 Manticore?

[deft badger]

that was my 2nd thought as well, doing a spec but i was thinking about mizuki

so its manticore, mizuki, mostim or passenger

mostima probably not since nah i don't wanna deal with that

[somber stone]

Elysium s2 slow trust

[deft badger]

but i do need something that slows f4-5 emergency ops on d15 are to stupid to do without, in general f5

[rich rune]

But blue woman does funny JoJo thing.

[deft badger]

btw do ex stages open today or tomorrow?

manticore looks nice as well with that 50% slow on 5sec

[vernal lion]

after 26 more hours

[pure mortar]

Chatterinos

I am no lomger askin

I'll give nitro out to whoever h12-4s for me

I'm on the bargaining stage of grief

[glass monolith]

Do you have Hoshi/Nian/Stainless/Gladiia+Skadi?

[somber stone]

Tf does stainless do there

[deft badger]

hahahaha

[glass monolith]

#strategy message Sugarcoating

[pure mortar]

Got Bagpipe to lv80, and Mizuki to 85

[deft badger]

h12

bro

[glass monolith]

Oh.... FUck... Guess he will die

[deft badger]

there is no SK on h12 xD

at which point do u even die?

[pure mortar]

think of nitro

[deft badger]

at the end?

when 4 clones are on the field

[glass monolith]

I have video to prove my disqualification to give H12-4 tips #strategy message

[pure mortar]

I actually cleared it twice in practice mode, but before killing myself doing it w sanity I stopped

I followed some bilibili guide, hence the goofy lv80 bagpipe and lv85 mizuki

[glass monolith]

You 100% sure it was guide not the "What i did last summer" blog

[deft badger]

just use that NG eyja and mlynar...

[pure mortar]

Ok, just do that for me and you get yourself nitro.
Do it if it's so easy

[deft badger]

it is actually easy with ur ops and i guess u die when 4 clones are out

to the stupid dot that can 1 hit mlynar

just use NG doll

enough burst dmg to end it before the doll dies and u are fine

[glass monolith]

"Stupid dot" - Ranged skill to make each clone attack target they hate most

[pure mortar]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Bm4y1m7Ud/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click
This is what I used, replacing Skadi alter with Schwarz (both of their names start with 's', so it worked out)

[pure mortar]

Would love to see you try

[deft badger]

doll op..
https://youtu.be/uAO5QwTpmpE?t=447

[glass monolith]

And you can slap S3 Stainless on Mlynar to give him DR to survive that shit so my blind stainless tip was technically viable

[pure mortar]

It was all a setup for self-promo
:trolldespair:

[deft badger]

did even skip to the doll for u

that was my clear with a much worst rooster xD

[somber stone]

S3 gives dr?

[glass monolith]

Hidden talent on turret itself - whoever is behind it (tile opposite of turret facing) has 20% physical DR. Stacks with itself for 36%. Stacks with Gladiia AH buff, Shelter of Quercus/Silence Alter etc

[somber stone]

Bruh

Idk my 60 mlynar survived tho

[glass monolith]

Imagine they did release stainless at times when we had no UI to read talents in combat

If 4 clones exist and Mlynar def is low he will die, and because aoe bullshit and 3 clones doing same move is near guarantee "permament till redeploy" -100 (can't go negative) DEF so...........

[deft badger]

talking about h12 now i have the ops to try that one trick kill it before it spawns 4th clone 😄

[glass monolith]

Fuck that, doing like 140k damage in 8 seconds

[deft badger]

but its possible now

[glass monolith]

I know it is possible, fuck that anyway

I need literal save states mid stage to execute it flawlessly

[deft badger]

i have chalter, mlynar and reedic for the job

i wish that i did have saria back then, she would have made all of it much easier

[vernal lion]

it's possible to burst the boss without letting it steal your op

it's just that you need to timing it right

[glass monolith]

Even if you time it right it is still F ton of damage in short span of time

[deft badger]

it should have been even possible back then, the only reason i did fail at it is chong who dies

[pure mortar]

Ok, I'm revising my offer
multiple nitro months, just for doing my h12-4

[deft badger]

because i didn't have saria

mlynar chong and surtr can do it but i wasn't able to keep chong alive

[glass monolith]

Videos of people doing it has shit like people allowing top clone to reach part where you can't block it anymore just for so Mlynar can hit all 3 clones, and i think they use block push to move bottom lane clone up too

[vernal lion]

please follow the rule

[deft badger]

dude its easy u have eyja and its a walk in the park with her

[pure mortar]

that's... what

maybe read what you sent?

[deft badger]

well he isn't advertising he is asking for a service 😄
wants someone to do it for him, he offers nitro boosting..

[somber stone]

Bro the 4 guards clear gives me anxiety

[pure mortar]

soon I'll be asking for a hitman service, youer the target

[vernal lion]

tbh if you can't beat the stage, it's not our problem

[somber stone]

Get it for free from YouTube handhold

[deft badger]

have u been watching to many deep web videos on youtube?

[pure mortar]

I.. I didn't say it was? Stop fighting ghosts for a sec

the voices in your head are not the enemy

[vernal lion]

the game is strategy genre anyway, and you should learn how to play it probably

[glass monolith]

I know there MUST be a guide how to navigate YouTube re-... worked search algorithm but i can't search it up

[vernal lion]

asking is fine, but you have to try it yourself

[ornate pond]

who do u have

[somber stone]

It’s only -1 sanity per failure too so

[vernal lion]

just check his message, there's his roster

[pure mortar]

#strategy message

[ornate pond]

just copy the ling mlynar suzu clear

[pure mortar]

where is that

[glass monolith]

Let me guess, it is yet another clear which need to avoid 4th clone?

[pure mortar]

someone else mentioned it, but ion find nothing

[ornate pond]

https://en.arkrec.com/operation/H12-4+惊霆行动-4

[pure mortar]

website has a tutorial to navigate, I'm losing it

I'm joking I'm joking

[vernal lion]

there are a lot of skill issue here,
timing Ling dragon deploying, timing Mlynar skill activation, prevent the boss from eating your op, etc..

[pure mortar]

One of the clears has Stainless, thas cool, his dusty ass getting used for something real

[glass monolith]

Now i want to rewatch one of those "One tile, no damage taken" WD-EX-8 clears

[vernal lion]

the sniperknights clear is really cool

[somber stone]

Rathalos noir corne is really cool

[deft badger]

h12-4 way to fun to copy something, just have fun and do some shenanigans

i spend like 4 or 6 hours on it don't remember anymore

[vernal lion]

I mean that's how you beat the game yourself

[deft badger]

would probably watch a guide in the end anyway, but there wasn't one with AH lol

[glass monolith]

Reno D for AH clear

[deft badger]

i think minus and me have been the only boneheads running AH on that map

[glass monolith]

AH squad was my Surtr for H12 boss because i didn't want to make my own clear

[deft badger]

w8 have u actually seen a guide at the time when the stage came out?

[vernal lion]

well I did solve it myself

[deft badger]

with AH i mean

[glass monolith]

I feel like your use of "only" is wrong. No way i am only guy who went AH, i would believe "guides" didn't use it because true "guides" won't slap 8 6*s in them so nobody can copy that cringe

And Minus use quotes wrong

[vernal lion]

you know, my issue was not using aoe in that time, so that's why it was an issue for me

[glass monolith]

#strategy message My only issue was lack of Silence alter initially

[deft badger]

mine was spending like 80% of the time invested on it trying to make chong survive in the end i replaced him for thorns lol

[somber stone]

Hey guys where’d eyja go

[vernal lion]

boss stole her

[somber stone]

I think she just died boss stole ng

[vocal leaf]

what was failing? i did it with him, along ng reed and saria, later i did an update with eyjalter and shamare

[deft badger]

he was standing where thorns is, ng wasn't able to heal him on her own

[deft badger]

mumu is fun actually in IS

[vocal leaf]

i see, when i used ng i also used saria s1 to heal him, but with eyja i tried saria s3 and it worked pretty well, reed helps a lot keeping everyone alive while doing damage to damazti with s2

i actually remember having problems to keep saria alive too, i ended up with both modules at lvl3

[deft badger]

that was months ago when i did it

didn't even have half the ops i do have now 😄

4 months ago, 21/11/23 was the video taken

[vocal leaf]

i recorded mine too, 4/11/23 team is pretty similar, the main change was ng friend for my eyjalter

[deft badger]

EN didn't have eyja at that time, wish that we did

[vocal leaf]

and better placements for SA and suzu, they kill both drones now, before i was only killing 1 and the other with yato

https://youtu.be/S2EGrcgvMpc?si=PoOzb9y4AoQxwOo_ hmm watching it remember having suzu killed in the last phase of damazti as one of my biggest issues

also managing the dp in that part

[vernal lion]

this fully afk strat is niche lol

6 op

Requirement: All max

[west raven]

any tips for SK-4?

[pure mortar]

Not sure if this is much of a tip, but do you have shaw? Because she solos top (w healing). As for the bottom, Steward and some blockers + a healer works

[west raven]

i do have shaw, didnt even think about using the pit

[pure mortar]

When in doubt

Uhhh

Pit

https://tenor.com/view/hi-deniz-deniz-gif-23653159

[west raven]

thank you!

[west raven]

what healers actually reach 4? i use nightingale and ptilopsis and neither do

[pure mortar]

Use the starter healers, the 3 star ones

[west raven]

OH

[pure mortar]

Hibiscus..... and the other guy

[west raven]

i should probably level them quick i guess

[void terrace]

Wait what happens if you pick the random promote squads and select a friend unit

Is it always not promoted?

[foggy grove]

i never see friend promoted

[low rover]

do nicheknights ccs or generally anyone who do nicheknights challenges have a seperate game account or do they use their same account?

[deft badger]

nothing...

[peak cloak]

you should ask the CCs those you want to know and u should normal people too, it's hard to say because everyone is different.

anyways, about me, i run sniperknights and AH squad with my main account in EN server.

[low rover]

so you use only one account for your main and niche?

[peak cloak]

ofc

the reasons behind are:
time, no time to re-grind everything from 0,
strenght, no, wont waste my strenght for thing like that, i will cycling 50km instead of sitting in front of pc screen for hours.
and works, it give me money (lots of) while creating alt account for niche isnt gonna give me anything except electricity, internet bills and back hurts.

a lose lose situation lol, did everything but gain nothing.

[pure mortar]

Plus by the time you reach the end game, you'll have a lot of leeway to waste mats on weird ass operators to fit your niche

Like building a greythroat for whatever reason, etc...

[heady sphinx]

never know when you are going to need a greythroat!

[foggy grove]

never

[low rover]

so if it's ok to create a new account if you dont like your starter 6 star and want to reroll?

[pure mortar]

Sure, but what wih early game and middle game being balanced (you can clear with any 6* combination you get from gacha), you'd better off rerolling to get a limited operator

[heady sphinx]

I raised a few questionable units myself, and occationally I find use of them. i find it more entertaining then just using whatever the meta operator is

[pure mortar]

But it's not worth it anyhow, just play the game and you'll get the ops eventually

[peak cloak]

it's okay to reroll in EN, no one is gonna sue u for doing that.

[heady sphinx]

you can also clear a pretty good chunk of the game with just 3*s, so I wouldn't worry too much

[pure mortar]

Still trying to justify this material drain moment

[heady sphinx]

ey, I'm currently raising noir myself

[drowsy jewel]

as long as youre a male enjoyer, raising bad ops is always justifyable ☝️

[turbid badge]

ask danbo

some have cn accs and en accs

idk much abt alts

some like tums use their main acc

they just play diff niches from time to time

[quick pecan]

play 5* knights 👍

[low rover]

so they just use their own main accounts to do niches? it's not like a nuzlocke challege thing where they have to do the who msq with a certain niche?

[cosmic thicket]

i made a new acc for 4* only but it was also because i wanted to experience the new player experience again. at least for myself, deer i play on main, primeknights is so unhinged it needs its own separate account
some of my friends made separate accounts for niche (lesot [siracusa], lolcal [e1 level 1]) but others use their main (undusk [sarkaz], bluex [iberia])

it's really up to u to see if what ur doing warrants creating a new acc, i suspect lesot's second account just turned into his niche acc

[quick pecan]

i think separate accounts can be justified if pulling for that niche and what you want on the same account is too pull intensive

but the consequence of that is potential burnout from running two accounts

[vital arrow]

Thats probably just a personal preference

You can run nicheknights anytime on your main

Or maybe you want to do the 'legit' nicheknights by starting over

There are no 'set rules' on how your account should look like when you play niche strats

[quick pecan]

personally speaking i just started 5* knights on my original account

although that was in large part due to a bunch of good 5* being within kernel and getting them on a new account can be difficult while also pulling for the newer 5* units

the same may apply to you depending on ur nicheknights ideas so double check and understand the road map for what you want to do and how feasible it is

i can’t really imagine doing 5* knights without units like lappland specter shamare firewatch etc etc

units like warf ptilo silence too

the 5* medic pool kind of lackluster without them

although i don’t do a lot of warf buffing

[limpid siren]

but 5* bad

[turbid badge]

depends on person

managing alot of accounts can be really time-consuming, so you will dedicate your main account to it. honestly the majority of "niche-knights" are generated when end-game players want to try smth new so its mostly main account

if they're really dedicated they'll make an alt

[long epoch]

Playing no6*knights is more accessible.

(But that's how I usually play anyway)

[cyan gorge]

I like birds so I raised more bird operators, thus began doing birdknights shenanigans

[turbid badge]

i start niches and than get poor and start another so i stopped

[deft badger]

not sure if i should ask the hell is that boss or not...
https://youtu.be/nDvZTG86zRc?t=763

[turbid badge]

the 4* idrc but 5*
tomimi -> crocs
jieyun , wc , waafu, leizi, mr not, mul -> yan

i always come back when they release new dragon banner cuz alot of yan ops

5* raises for is are common too

is-themed niche

[void terrace]

Still trying to justify my swire raise

Or my salter raise

Ok to be fair I use enough enemity ling and hunters to justify the later

But still

[tidal sedge]

The fun you have/had with her perhaps?

[void terrace]

☠️☠️

Haven't touched her since so long adale

Can't fit her into any team organicly

[tidal sedge]

Unfortunate

[void terrace]

Like the only value to her her is skalter funny bottle nukes

[quick pecan]

very true!!

[tidal sedge]

Each skill she has mimics another class in a way, but ofc it begs the question of why not use those specialized kits instead.

[void terrace]

Exactly

At least jessalter has value in IS as an extremely versatile tank who can hold 5 bodies

Swires impact on the team is always just not as noticable unless your doing solo runs

[tidal sedge]

Her versatility within 1 kit is interesting to me, but the only place that could theoretically matter so far is IS, where she's not a good pick.

[void terrace]

Exactly

Her revive mechic is also

Kinda useless

[tidal sedge]

It's mostly a means to ignore chip imo

Or cheese 1 shot/hit stuff like lancers

[void terrace]

I mean if her talent was gain a fixed buff every time she revives

That would be cool

Stacking 12% atk on each revive

Then she truly would be spend dp to win

[dark glade]

I cant even put my defender down with barometric

[tidal sedge]

Intentionally getting her killed for buffs sounds more trouble than it's worth. I never saw folks go for it on Horn after ch 10 passed, where it was convenient to pull that off

[dark glade]

Let alone sustain a merchant

[void terrace]

Ines is the way to go

[dark glade]

And her only real usage is for diagonal push on a meme encounter

[void terrace]

HAH

[turbid badge]

ew

not mod 3..

im disownign u

sil alter is always in my team

so

idrc, her kit's really compels to my tastes

more regrettable raises come with 5* stars

[turbid badge]

I don't like utilizing her s3, at m3 her s2 is just as potent as s3

unless it's a for sure a one-shot etc. I'll utilize her s2.
s2, 24 sp/ 12 secs isn't that bad + her healing w mod is pretty stonks

[limpid siren]

I wish quercus was more interesting than just being a strong st healer

Her shelter feels so forgettable

[tidal sedge]

Funny sp battery with hazards. Unfortunately context specific

[merry jolt]

Anyone has a good strat for SSS alsterii bellariorum manufacture platform hard mode?

i kept failing at the last stage

cant have enough DPS on the train

[limpid siren]

Quercus sadly has some pretty vicious competition as an sp battery for me

[tidal sedge]

Ptilo, Lisk, who else?

[pure mortar]

STAINLESS BABY

[turbid badge]

igneus 5* pla

playa

[pure mortar]

And Worf

[limpid siren]

That's about the size of it tbh, i kinda lump quercus s2 in with warfarin levels of sp gen

[turbid badge]

no feist

[pure mortar]

Stainless is the best dedicated sp battery, on account of him literally giving you sp batteries

[tidal sedge]

Hmm. She's also context based too I suppose

[pure mortar]

Doesn't ¿queres? offer shelter effect?

[tidal sedge]

18% isn't much to write home about in most cases imo

[limpid siren]

I just find that she's often stuck in that catch-22 of "i need healing, but the person who needs healing has their skill active"

[tidal sedge]

Hm. One of the main uses of burst heals is to keep dps alive during their burst so I can see that.

and if you're using burst heal to buy time, Ptilo s2 lasts 40 seconds

[low rover]

among these specific four defenders, can you rank them from best to worst: nearl, liskarm, crossaint, heavyrain

[pure mortar]

And silence just flat out turns your ops to surtr

[limpid siren]

Croissant > Nearl >= Liskarm > Heavyrain for me

[pure mortar]

Nearl > Lisk > heavyrain (for utility) > crossaint

[limpid siren]

Damn, gotta put some respect on the bread

[tidal sedge]

Croissant is so amusing for some reason

[turbid badge]

soon shu will be easy sp

theres also hung/windflit for SP

[pure mortar]

She does nothing, nearl is global healing effectiveness increase, lisk is a good sp battery, heavyrain has camouflage utility, and what's croissant

Cry, dummy

[limpid siren]

the best tank in her rarity

a good tank skill, and a unique shift skill

[tidal sedge]

Rapid skill cycle defender, and 60% dodge more than compensates for the seemingly low def buff on s1

[limpid siren]

among those specific defenders, croissant is the most universal by far

[pure mortar]

Cuora doing donuts around her for pure defensive utility, not because she's better, but because she's a 4*

[turbid badge]

windflit s1 can't generate more batteries sadly

[limpid siren]

stop being poor

also the question was about four specific defenders

cuora is irrelevant

[tidal sedge]

Croissant having actual initial sp is why I like her over Cuora most times

[limpid siren]

i like the uptime on her s1

[pure mortar]

This is a sleeper utility skill

Heavyrain heads rise up ✊

[limpid siren]

it is sleeper, true

because it's rarely relevant

[pure mortar]

I will slaughter you

[tidal sedge]

Hmm.

[pure mortar]

Make no mistake it's no "attempted murder," it's guranteed. It's on sight.

[tidal sedge]

How long does Crazelyseon sit at it's wait spots

[limpid siren]

i just don't know why i'd deploy a defender for 20s of camo when i could use firewatch for 50s of invis instead

it's a fine skill

but niche is the right word for it

[ivory nimbus]

Firewatch got nuke, which is already better.

And why would you need Def and HP when camo'd? That's so irrelevant, HG must be trolling when creating Heavyrain.

[limpid siren]

def and hp up cause she can lose her camo by blocking an enemy

she's still a defender after all, it's fair for her to buff those stats

[tidal sedge]

Crazelyseon sits for 20 seconds it seems? Funny if so

[ivory nimbus]

That's the most half-baked thing I've ever heard. It made Camo on her and her allies kinda pointless.

[limpid siren]

?

why?

[ivory nimbus]

Don't you lose Camo while blocking? By losing the Camo, ranged enemies will now be able to target the ops, which you don't want to, since you need them to be in camo in the first place.

Hold on, let me double check.

[limpid siren]

yea but the ranged units near heavyrain will keep their camo

which is the whole point of running heavyrain

[pure mortar]

Fun Arknights facts: ranged operators are generally squishy, ergo them not being targetable is a boon!

Think of using Ch'en Alter in the face of a spawn where there are either casters or physical ranged attackers w big attack stat

She won't die

Which is pog

[limpid siren]

you can usually achieve the same result by simply managing aggro

but that is true

[turbid badge]

not windswept highground

i wish minus was here

the picture died

[limpid siren]

sure

niche uses exist

which is why i called her niche earlier

[turbid badge]

[pure mortar]

You're lucky I have some bastard kids to teach rn

[limpid siren]

those kids are unlucky to have you

[pure mortar]

Fuck you, I'll have them all e2 m6 heavyrain

[turbid badge]

s1 heavyrain is sure something

[tidal sedge]

Funny meme in Frozen Abandoned City

[turbid badge]

whenever i think heavyrain me thinks cc7

all cuz minus :naruhoedge

[tidal sedge]

I vaguely remember a couple folks using Heavyrain in IS2 for Lucian

[ivory nimbus]

Yeah, you would need to have major skill issues if you're resort to using Heavyrain camo. Simple deployment order management, and FRD bait/crowd control exist, able to accomplish much more than HR niche.

[rain plaza]

FUCK YOU ROCK THROWER GOLEM

CURSE OF POSEIDON: THUNDERSTORM

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[turbid badge]

which is2 hard relic?

[ivory nimbus]

Oh my God, it's that POS again.

[rain plaza]

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[turbid badge]

[rain plaza]

I got him with my amazing combination jutsu

[long epoch]

I mean using Camo can also be the choice instead of having no skill. People are free to have their own way to deal with challenges.

[rain plaza]

I mixed lightning, water, and wind chakra to make this technique

Haven't used it since the heian era

Don't ask the golems weight

[turbid badge]

i was thinking of utilizing heavyrain for that caster spam map in chapter 11

[ivory nimbus]

It definitely doesn't have to be a skill issue, yes, but unless she's your favorite and want to use her in every stages, there's a million and one better option than Heavyrain.

[turbid badge]

h11-1

ended up using ashlock instead

nuke method kek

[ivory nimbus]

"Premeditated healing".

[long epoch]

Well, that "better" option could also be "6* meta go brrr" which also could be interpreted that you have skill issues so you have to resort with bruteforcing raw power.

If AK doesn't have the room to try different interesting strategies, it means that it's a shitty game.

[turbid badge]

mhm

funny tower defense

[long epoch]

"Why tanking/healing if you can DPS them to death?"

That excuse can be used on anything if you can't accept that you can use different strategies if you know what you are doing.

[limpid siren]

Sure but the original question was about four specific 5* defenders

[limpid siren]

.

[long epoch]

If I was picking a 5* defender, I would pick Croissant over everyone.

[turbid badge]

Tanke

[tidal sedge]

Oh. CV vents trigger Lisk talent

[ivory nimbus]

Gravel and Jaye practically invalidate her her usage. Gravel, being an FRD tank, meant you can use her to tank hefty shots that would otherwise demolished your team, while Jaye solo carry and S2 self-sustain let him hold off quite a wave of enemies, or even stalling a particularly tough elite. Melantha and Utage are helidrop that can annihilate whatever that's giving you so much troubles. Heck, build Cutter, and just nuke them out if existence, or take Gummy with you if you really want extra survivability. The final nails in the coffin is that they're all lower rarity than Heavyrain, her niche is irrelevant to the current meta of the game, plus the extra detriment of being a 5 stars, meant she's even more costly to raised with not much to show for.

[tidal sedge]

I guess that makes sense because of Jessica's somewhat similar talent

I guess that's another damper for Quercus s2

[turbid badge]

mhm

[ivory nimbus]

Hmm, I'd say Liskarm (not biased at all because I used her), SP battery is simply way too useful of an ability in alot of team to pass.

[tidal sedge]

Although with CV vents triggering Lisk and the def buffs inherent to enemies + Cliff's huge def, I wonder if they designed around Lisk and Franka some

[turbid badge]

i mean it's pretty obvious seen as how she's at the bottom of the 4 specific defenders shown

franka

🤑

[long epoch]

Liskarm as the best 5* defender sounds funny to me.

[limpid siren]

I think it’s been four years of people overstating the value of sp generation

[ivory nimbus]

Spamming instant skills has always been useful.

[limpid siren]

I don’t really think the premise is sound for that

[long epoch]

That's way even more niche than Heavyrain Camo imo.

[tidal sedge]

Lisk has the high risk CC pedigree to mess with folk evaluation metrics

[limpid siren]

There’s a big gap between what liskarm can usually offer, and spamming instant skills

And yea cc is a horrible yardstick for liskarm’s typical performance as an sp engine

[long epoch]

The reality is that nowadays better ops have good enough skill cycle for the job.

[ivory nimbus]

No, it is, sp generation is about as generalist as you can get. Reducing the downtime of skills can make a huge difference.

[limpid siren]

That’s just a lie though

It’s as niche as it gets

[tidal sedge]

SP gen typically has to answer the old "why not another dps instead" spiel

[limpid siren]

Because the general best performers simply don’t need it

[long epoch]

You effectively waste one OP slot just for things that only do SP gen and only worth for multiple rapid attack mobs.

[limpid siren]

You only reach this conclusion by thinking of sp gen as cooldown reduction, which it isn’t

[tidal sedge]

You can rotate burst with 2 dps, or combine them together. More flexible than finding enough trash that don't die incidentally and also don't kill Lisk

[limpid siren]

Is sp gen cool? Yea sure, i like it, and I probably use liskarm and ptilopsis more than the average player

But i don’t think it’s game changing most days of the week

[long epoch]

You can cut "and also don't kill Lisk" and that statement is still valid.

Because you don't really need her.

[tidal sedge]

Fair point

[long epoch]

Rather, if your ops have a really hard time to rotate skill, maybe some SP helper could be decent.

But that doesn't really happen in later high ended clear.

[ivory nimbus]

Hold on, I think we might be speaking on two different term here, I said sp generation niche is about as useful as it can get because of its generalist nature. Fit them into any team and they will always help, as it help reduce the sp requirements for more skill proc, that's my point.

[tidal sedge]

Theres also ways to buy time to get skills online which cuts into sp gen's niche

[long epoch]

I get that but Liskarm is not the "general" usage at that.

[tidal sedge]

Using burst heals to keep ops alive until burst skills are up, crowd control to keep enemies away

[long epoch]

Yeah. That's actually the more effective way that we often see.

[limpid siren]

i still don't buy it though
you need to be doing specific set strategies to really benefit from sp generation in a way that isn't just comfort

even if i run ptilopsis in a majority of my teams, her passive sp generation is very rarely going to be the difference maker in those runs

it takes a lot for sp generation to go from "i recharged my skill a bit earlier" to "i got to use the skill more times in that stage", and for that change to be actually meaningful too

[tidal sedge]

If an op's cycle is a few seconds off, you can potentially just pre-fire skill to align cycle too

[long epoch]

Yea also that. It's actually the most tricky part but pretty satisfying to pull off.

[merry narwhal]

i pick Ptilo when I want a good burst hps skill, otherwise it's Perfumer all the way

the sp does nothing that better timing won't fix

[quick pecan]

going based off of how often i use them it’s probably

nearl > liskarm > croissant > heavyrain

though if i actually want to tank i would bring croissant

nearl sees a lot of blind stage usage for me just because i like to min max my healing slots going into stages

i don’t really care for heavyrain either ngl

i actually do bring hung when i want a bulkier defender but don’t quite need croissant levels of bulk (once again to maybe min max some heals to an area he is covering or if i need him to soak some hits by a helidrop)

[crisp bolt]

heavyrain is for cheesing being hit by big hitting ranged enemies (I wish I had her built for pinchout)

[glass monolith]

Someone said cheeeeeese?

[timid schooner]

https://youtu.be/NIFw0DJg2Js?feature=shared

finally

some good use for silence2

[glass monolith]

Need Ptilo Module stage 3 to have cycle faster that gun weeb

[timid schooner]

ye

[turbid badge]

i use jess riot

than silence

[ivory leaf]

should i use rule of survival on silverash?

[glass monolith]

That's his second skill? That's in case you lack defender, normally just keep S1 for damage

[ivory leaf]

okehh

oh btw i got ptil now

[glass monolith]

[ivory leaf]

got her via recruit yippie

[glass monolith]

My favourite AoE medic. SP regen for team, S2 makes her burst heal left and right on insane speed

[ivory leaf]

anyways clickand lava is my only need so i can beat ss 3-8

[lapis hornet]

damn

[ivory leaf]

as for the placements of the units should i just search a guide?

[lapis hornet]

why would I watch oyuki if he's not even doing afk

[glass monolith]

What stops F around and find out for placement method? Don't forget to abuse 30 practice plans to not use sanity when you not sure in winning

[ivory leaf]

i forgot practice plans exist

[ivory leaf]

is highmore worth to get?

[remote perch]

she's not really that good outside of IS3

[ivory leaf]

so no?

[remote perch]

you can get her, since you still get other rewards from progressing in IS3 milestone rewards
just don't really raise her

[edgy temple]

cv ex already open?

[glass monolith]

Should open in uh.... 13 hours 20 minutes

[turbid badge]

no

[celest bluff]

Now let see what will kill me

Please be a king relic gaming moment

Word

[glass monolith]

Now find all ranged has camo, drop to 1 hp and die to drone map with bunch of invisible enemies rushing ground

[void terrace]

I use her s3 for it's long duration sustained healing and DMG reduction. It perfectly cycles with eyja s3 to cover a very long duration even it's only twice

Her s2 is for more basic content where she's supporting my enimity core team

[glass monolith]

My AP-5 is 3 ops - Phantom sniping mortals, La Pluma being La Pluma and Silence S2 making sure La Pluma outlive caster at end

Also i did H12-4 with Silence alter S2 + Perfurmer global regen + AH being AH was most of sustain for bottom 2 damatzi. With right S2 timing can mitigate global skill of phase 2

[turbid badge]

oh

I just really disliked the 2 uses

I would of used quercus instead cuz skin and lazy

esp in content like IS

where me unlucky

no medic vouchers

[glass monolith]

Quercus having infinite skill i think is her only niche of that archetype, and Silence alter having infinite healing skill would be just insanely broken with how much survivability you get combined with damage reduction

[void terrace]

Yeah. I dislike her s2 for it's short duration. And you need great timing to maxise the 70% shelter

S3 provides a lot more room in a pinch even if you can only use it twice.

The 10 second invuln is usually enough for pennance to get another round a barrier up and take down an enemy

[turbid badge]

fair, i've grown use to fast cycle/ short duration since it feels nice to play to have skills up pretty fast

ex. entire pinus gang, kalst broken cycle

ebenholz, ines

carnelian

anything under 25~30
12.5~15 seconds or less feels fast

esp w 2x

skills 50+ feel too long for me

[ivory leaf]

Yippie I did Ss boss and Erm just needed rathalos to do the cleaning and boom swept the rest of the level:DD

[rough venture]

Hi everyone,
Is there any advice to clear IS4 ending 3? I stuck at the battle before the boss. It just my 2nd time facing this... miniboss, so I think I'll bring therapist to cut the frozen time. But, is there any advice for the actual boss?

if I put it in the wrong channel, please tell me

[dark glade]

Nobody answer sadge

[dark glade]

Usually draft real medic (eyja/ng) is better than bringing therapist

Since anything that you use to tank will be frozen solid anyway

And place your dps out of range

Or you can also permanently stall the boss and clear the rest of the stage

Said medic will also be more useful for ed3 boss since it has big range and deal arts dmg which ng can nullify it or eyja can tank it with s3

[hollow nymph]

Having texalter 2nd skill at the 3rd ending boss is nice when u need extra dmg on the boss

[dark glade]

For the actual boss ||pick bursting spot, usually 9 o clock, setup all your dps there, overcharge device, and burst in the 10 sec window, use healer skill on phase 2 aince it get 50% atk boost, wait device overcharge again and burst it again||

Yea reed s2 tex s2 is the best burst for that boss

Alsoooooo

Might want to ask in #is-station instead but sometime the channel is dead

like this channel

[celest bluff]

The game let me lived for a while

But all of that is just a trap

[ivory leaf]

Is this good enough? (plus a lava forgot to put cuh idk who to change)

[celest bluff]

It planned to kill me now

Now I need to leak 1 again so king relic take effect

[dark glade]

noir ashlock and firewatch are interesting pick

but its good enough

have fun

can switch them to kroos if you lack AA or steward + lava if you lack arts

[ivory leaf]

Yippie

[dark glade]

oh and raise gravel too

[ivory leaf]

Well firewatch for Luck Aoe and For picking off range units that slipped exu

Noir for Either The mages or the stronger units

Ashlock is simply artillery

[dark glade]

fortress enjoyers

[ivory leaf]

Fire whistle

:DD

Is there something wrong using a fortress? It's kinda helping me when I need some chip damage

[ivory leaf]

Gravel as in from the shop OP?

Sure sure

[limpid siren]

Nothing wrong with them, they’re just unusual picks for many players

Especially the 5* fortress defenders

[lean obsidian]

Fortress archetype is interesting

[celest bluff]

The 6* on the other hand

[ivory leaf]

Ehe I just like artillery that's all

[dark glade]

the rat

[lean obsidian]

Just look for perfect spot

[dark glade]

its 4 star specialist fast redeploy

you will use her quite a lot later on

and good as base slave too

[ivory leaf]

Oh the defender

Okayy

[hollow nymph]

gravel works really nice as a bait for enemy attack like bomb drone etc

[lean obsidian]

Is gravel only good for stalling?

[ivory leaf]

Oops my bad I thought it was a defender by her skill

[celest bluff]

152mm artillery shell moment

[somber stone]

She does have the funny double hit on attack

[ivory leaf]

Nyeheheh

Wahts better

Kirin yato or Other specialist?

[lean obsidian]

Assuming that it will give extra dmg right?

[celest bluff]

Please be specific

[lean obsidian]

U have yalter?

[ivory leaf]

Yeah

[lean obsidian]

If u have her obviously yes

[ivory leaf]

On my twitter accot

[celest bluff]

Because yato is broken

[lean obsidian]

Yato is meta rn

[ivory leaf]

Dam I really are regretting it

[celest bluff]

Depends

[dark glade]

huuuh you have yato

[ivory leaf]

I'm really regretting it😔

[ivory leaf]

Yeah on my twitter account though

[dark glade]

wonder why its not instant pick for the squad

[somber stone]

No it’s mostly used for charging stuff that needs to be hit a bunch

[dark glade]

the meta part of my brain said better use the yato account than the one with 3 6*

[ivory leaf]

Still waiting for yaru to reply to my report so I can get back my account;DD

[dark glade]

[ivory leaf]

I kinda didn't knew that yato was meta until I returned to arknights like a few weeks

Anyways

I'm gonna cry in the corner

[celest bluff]

Time for me to fucking die

[lean obsidian]

Man

[celest bluff]

Hoshi which skill now

[ivory leaf]

Erm barb

I think

:>>

[lean obsidian]

Yato is still in my squad until now. She carried me every stage

[celest bluff]

Also Hesitation gonna fuck me over

Never get the gain light relic

[ivory leaf]

Cri I miss my yato already

[celest bluff]

Which campaign chapter you're at now

[lean obsidian]

What happened?