strategy

[long epoch]

While other ops compete their spot on range or melee, Ela can supplement with almost no restriction on position.

[limpid siren]

if we ever get another 5* trapper

hmm

they either have to have aoe traps and be raw power creep

or they're probably just worse than robin and dead on arrival

[soft crystal]

Their traps should also detect like elas for it to be a benefit

[foggy grove]

what's trapper x anyhow

[tidal sedge]

After Poncirus being such a disappointment I'm pessimistic about future 5*s. So I'm leaning towards the latter

[foggy grove]

[soft crystal]

The place anywhere module

[foggy grove]

ela is delta right?

[soft crystal]

Wait is it

[tidal sedge]

No. She's X module. Trapper can be placed on melee tiles. Traps can be placed on ranged tiles.

[limpid siren]

poncirus is okay, i think what we forgot is just how aggressively average 5* pioneers are

[civic bear]

It's trap d

[long epoch]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1v6421c79r/ Other than Ling, Ela can solo 4-8 challenge because of her omnispot.

[tidal sedge]

I checked prts. I got misinfo'd

Weird. So X module is still MIA?

[foggy grove]

ye

[limpid siren]

probably future proofing

i doubt 5*s will ever get delta mods

[foggy grove]

they went delta for personalized approach i guess

[tidal sedge]

This might imply they have X module idea but no desirable implementation yet

[civic bear]

2 delta mod released
"Delta is personalized" cope is too strong smh

[limpid siren]

every cartridge is personalised

[foggy grove]

[tidal sedge]

At least it kills the theory every delta will be about elemental damage

[limpid siren]

bless

insane theory based on a single data point

[civic bear]

Then they add module sigma

[soft crystal]

Maybe it is a personalized mod

[limpid siren]

on that sigma module grindset

[foggy grove]

but where is z

[limpid siren]

i don't mind the personalised theory

[tidal sedge]

Yeah I didn't like it either. Too many classes don't do damage for it to make sense

[limpid siren]

rn my thought is just that 5*s will never get deltas

[civic bear]

And turns out all these name are just randomly chosen to represent 3rd 4th whatever it is

[limpid siren]

yea

[long epoch]

More like 5* will never get another module.

[limpid siren]

wtf don't say that

give 5*s second mods so my boy leon can get a real module

vulcan too ig

[soft crystal]

[tidal sedge]

If they were going I'd think they'd have done it by now

[long epoch]

[limpid siren]

give me at least something to cope

[civic bear]

They defy common sense bro

[limpid siren]

if they won't give me a good new unit, at least make the old ones better

[tidal sedge]

Idk. Too much stuff to me makes me think they only 1/4 of a shit about 5*s now

[limpid siren]

it makes sense tbh

just considering their development workload

[tidal sedge]

I know. Most of the playerbase doesn't care about them, so why should they tbh

[limpid siren]

yea

[tidal sedge]

They probably have internal data about how many folks actually invested in good 5* mods like Firewatch and Leizi and saw the signs

[limpid siren]

[tidal sedge]

Which incidentally coincides with 6* mod upgrades getting overall better

[soft crystal]

I invested in some 5 star mods

But theyre mostly just stat mods

[limpid siren]

frankly a lot of 5*s suffer from pretty fundamental flaws

it's largely bad damage, or bad cycles

[latent monolith]

I was going to level april mod, but then I got aak typhon back to back and now I'm doing more reed/lin masteries because of IS4

[foggy grove]

i mod 3 april

just missing 1 more pot for max pot

[soft crystal]

Are 5 stars getting better? I feel like most of the better 5 stars are like 2 years after launch

[foggy grove]

they are better at being sad

[lapis hornet]

april bad i heard it from gamepress writer igneous

[limpid siren]

ages ago i did a bit of a look through the 5*s launch vs post-launch

and honestly a good chunk of the better 5*s are from launch

[tidal sedge]

They aren't really. A lot of launch 5*s still hold their position

[limpid siren]

5* power creep is basically like

tequila, pluma, kroos, shamare

elysium almost counts as launch to me at this point, but you could lump him in there too

[lapis hornet]

launch 5* being locked behind core kinda hurts

altho ig old players alr have them and new players don't care anyway

[limpid siren]

it's been a good thing for me

[foggy grove]

maybe if they release 5* loopshooter instead of dead hexel

[limpid siren]

you could make this list much longer tbh

but yea i still think a lot of the launch options hold their ground

which i don't think is nearly as true for 6*s

[soft crystal]

Oh right we have stuff like windchimes and windflit lol

[long epoch]

5* Core Casters are so terrible that I found success using Istina than any of them.

[lapis hornet]

they probs don't want 5* to creep to where they're better value than bottom of 6* so no wiggle room

[tidal sedge]

Yeah I'm trying to think of what 5*s actually fell off in their own context. The only examples that come to mind are ops that had inflated opinion due to certain content matchup

[lapis hornet]

someone like lapluma alr cutd it p close

[limpid siren]

flashback to "la pluma > blaze"

[lapis hornet]

I miss drails

[soft crystal]

Love seeing pluma take 3000 years to kill a slightly high def enemy

[limpid siren]

honestly

a good chunk of low ops force her into doing that

[lapis hornet]

ppl keep talking about high def enemies nowadays like low def scrubs aren't still the most common

[soft crystal]

Yeah but in this comparison blaze can actually cut through

[tidal sedge]

Yeah I never understood the enemy def creep spiel outside of marksman.

[limpid siren]

someone said recently that IS3 poisoned the well wrt def vs res estimations, and sparked the whole "arts is bad" mantra

[tidal sedge]

It's hp that's gotten inflated more than anything

[limpid siren]

and i think i agree with it

people keep saying arts is just generally bad, but idk i run my shitty casters against the targets they're designed to be good against

and shockingly

they are good against those targets

[soft crystal]

Casters gud

[tidal sedge]

Also enemy hurt more which indirectly plays a part, so you want enemies dead faster than before.

[long epoch]

Even Decel Binder works quite well when you are going for a bit of art.

[soft crystal]

Thats the only thing i hated about is3

[hard urchin]

Not that mf again 💀

[soft crystal]

+20res making a majority of an archetype bad

[lapis hornet]

ive always said is has influenced meta read in a idk how to call it, but it's gone overboard

it's like 10 maps per season that matters

[limpid siren]

IS3 was particularly restrictive in terms of what worked

[lapis hornet]

you can see kermit do that too, tbf a lot of ppl play nothing but is so it's understandable

[long epoch]

Even average people can't recognize any more about how much DPS is okay.

[lapis hornet]

and ppl used to do that with cc before is so ig it's whatever

[limpid siren]

they're just easy yardsticks to draw conclusions from

[tidal sedge]

Remember when folks said Thorns wasn't worth pulling because bad cc performance

Ugh. I'm tired

Forgetting too many words

[limpid siren]

but people will draw conclusions from an IS season while totally ignoring the inherent bias for drafting in a given IS season

[soft crystal]

I didnt like when people always used a high d perspective on is3 suggestions

[long epoch]

"Bad DPS" nowadays is mostly "DPS not inflated enough".

[limpid siren]

the argument for this is simply "if it works at D15 it definitely works below, and anything that works below just kinda works because ur bad and only play D7 lol lmao"

[soft crystal]

Im not innocent from that, but at least i see it

[foggy grove]

someday we'll have real caster powercreep

logos fr

[limpid siren]

logos will be a 5*

[foggy grove]

[soft crystal]

Nooooooo

[long epoch]

Lord module will be the real caster powercreep.

[soft crystal]

I think its funny when lords have been regarded to be like the best guard archetype at launch but now were coping for modules for them to keep up

[limpid siren]

i'm always a bit like when people call it a bad archetype

[lapis hornet]

module vs no module is a pretty big difference tho

[soft crystal]

Tell that to some of the earlier modules

[lapis hornet]

esp when modules have gotten better and new units all come with one

[soft crystal]

[tidal sedge]

That's just the usual hyperbole

If something isn't among the best, it's trash kind of deal

[long epoch]

Lord by default outside the skill is only 80% of their power. Though I can see that their module can doing something like dealing more damage if you are unblocked.

[limpid siren]

the downside never mattered

[soft crystal]

Theres no bad archetypes, just bad kits except Abjurer

[limpid siren]

because auto attack dps is universally bad

[lapis hornet]

there's no bad kits just bad ako slaves

[limpid siren]

there are bad operators, and bad cakes

[foggy grove]

there are bad kits and bad numbers

[soft crystal]

I still remember people dooming about hoe being dead on arival cause crusher

[tidal sedge]

Same thing with Degen and Zuo Le

[latent monolith]

People still think he's really bad

[soft crystal]

Tru

[latent monolith]

I think degen/zuole people mostly realise they're quite good

[foggy grove]

i'm biased so i won't comment on hoe

[lapis hornet]

I think part of trash talking old units in ako is new players validation for not having/pulling for them

[tidal sedge]

"Archetype problems" hasn't mattered since they decided 6*s aren't bound by archetype ball park numbers. Which imo has been the case since Horn at least if not earlier

[latent monolith]

It's been the case since at least mountain

[soft crystal]

I think it was early as eyja

[long epoch]

Yea.

[limpid siren]

Chat are 6*s good?

[lapis hornet]

no

[tidal sedge]

Hmm. I can at least see Eyja being unintentional since she's launch op. But Mountain is a good example

[limpid siren]

I pay that

[lapis hornet]

i think hoe is bad in that he's fairly unremarkable in a landscape where new units are all give you enough to get excited

I'm not talking about 5* no one cares about them but anyway

[long epoch]

Interestingly, good auto attack DPS are on the class that is not really focuses on them. Like if naming the tops one we have Swordmaster, Brawler, and Merchant.

[foggy grove]

brawler?

[long epoch]

Well, Fighter for the game term.

Though if we take average DEF into the account. The good auto attack DPS is actually on Dreadnoughts.

[lapis hornet]

honestly

[sly drift]

You mean Single target auto attack dps?

[lapis hornet]

I've been using sa s2 a bit it's still surprising the amount of mobs his auto can clean up lol

[long epoch]

Yea.

[tidal sedge]

Outside of content with stat mods, auto attack dps can be enough for shrimps ye. Which usually means they're really irrelevant unless they've really high density like that one ch 11 map

[long epoch]

But considering about a lot of AFK ops we have nowadays, those good auto attack ops are just a small garnish anyway.

[tidal sedge]

Although ig ch 11 makes you care about shrimps anyway because they leave corruption to harass you

[lapis hornet]

yeah it's just something to keep your blocks free which honestly is better than nothing already

like you think nothing of it usually

but they amount of times I've had had to coddle mlynar or what's his name the sui brawler

by giving them extra blockers

[tidal sedge]

Part of what made me realize that HE enemies are way bulkier than normal was that auto dps was very ineffective vs them

[lapis hornet]

ig it's a matter of playstyle

[tropic valve]

yeah

even in IS3 arts wasn't ALL bad

like you can reliably kill broodmothers with arts

at D15

main obstacle is bosses having 90 RES across the board (except for Frozen Monstrosity that had 100 instead)

I rather liked using Firewhistle in IS3 for her AoE arts

[tidal sedge]

IS3 bosses are kinda lame in general imo

[lapis hornet]

is is4 easier/harder? i heard it's easier at lower d and scales further?

[tropic valve]

opposite

harder at low, easier at high

[lapis hornet]

oh

[tropic valve]

you now have the option to say no to a bad emergency stage

[latent monolith]

you don't have the same annoying curse mechanic

it's more consistent

[tidal sedge]

I get the idea behind the rejections but I don't think their execution had the intended results

[sly drift]

Does that mean Izumik stay being the most shitter high diff boss ever

[tropic valve]

I guess so

[deft badger]

i am trying since 2 days to find a consistent way of doing IS4 xD

still not there lol

[lapis hornet]

early IS is the hardest when you do know the maps by heary android don't have all the op relics

[stiff wedge]

Is Dusk also viable on Annaliliation long street waste ?
There's just too much enemies
I don't have Ethan build yet

[sly drift]

No

[lapis hornet]

which one is long street again

[sly drift]

What the hell is long street waste

[foggy grove]

long spring?

yeah why not

[stiff wedge]

The pink enemies that duplicates to two if they die so I need a lot of Aoe

[foggy grove]

it's tumor anni

[deft badger]

long spring

its the sand map

[stiff wedge]

Yeah

[lapis hornet]

oh the od one

yeah I'd avoid splash if possible

[sly drift]

Mizuki S1

[stiff wedge]

Mizuki is good at That map ?

[foggy grove]

like all true aoe

[sly drift]

Yea

[deft badger]

chongus

[lapis hornet]

ifrit is the traditional carry

[stiff wedge]

I see so I could try is borrow Mizuki instead of Ifrit

[lapis hornet]

man

[tropic valve]

I used Pinecone carry for that

[stiff wedge]

I don't think he can there's just too kuch

[lapis hornet]

modded ifrit should be able to solo carry no

[tropic valve]

but reapers didn't exist back then

[stiff wedge]

I'm using Archetto for it

[tropic valve]

Archetto hits a lot too

[deft badger]

he can, because he aoe hits everything in his range

[lapis hornet]

i used chalter s1 with mudrock lol

[stiff wedge]

I really like her there since she can also hit the other Lane
Where it's really annoying to defend

[lapis hornet]

easiest low op anni in my life

[deft badger]

i did let him sit on top with liskarm

don't know what i used for bot

[stiff wedge]

I see so I could also Try chongus huh

[limpid siren]

For long spring waste?

[lapis hornet]

who do you have

[deft badger]

let me try my auto run so that i see what i have done there xD

[lapis hornet]

we had pluma back then p sure

[limpid siren]

100%

[sly drift]

Chong, mizuki, exalt. Maybe blaze and gavial too

[stiff wedge]

Currently doing M3 to some of them
Also I have Astgene build will she be useful?

[foggy grove]

[limpid siren]

Astgenne will likely chain into hitting an infiltrator far outside your range

Making them drop their wraith in a position that is hard or impossible to kill

[stiff wedge]

I also like her Slow though kinda helps a lot

[sly drift]

Borrow exalt or chong. You choose

[limpid siren]

Sure, i tried leizi on the same stage and dropped her because she griefs

[stiff wedge]

I see well oksy

[stiff wedge]

I'll try both ops

[soft crystal]

They did

[tropic valve]

oh maybe they did and I hadn't build one yet

[soft crystal]

I remember using pluma in there and she was ver poggers

[foggy grove]

because it's only like pluma

[deft badger]

don't know if it helps u or not but i guess he can even do it without eyja
this looks like overkill to me anyway

[stiff wedge]

I don't have ifrit nor Thorns
So I'll probably try a different approach

[glass monolith]

[deft badger]

thorns has 0 purpose anyway

he just there to hold

and ifrit isn't needed as well like i did say its overkill

[stiff wedge]

I see so what I could do is try to use Mountain m

[deft badger]

bot doesn't have many adds inc anyway

[somber falcon]

Mountain can get slowed from the slow critters

[deft badger]

u can hold that with what ever

bigger problem is the right side

don't know if u have texas or yato

[somber falcon]

Give penance some level and you can use her with s2

[stiff wedge]

Yeah that's why I'm using Archetto since she can also reach that side

[stiff wedge]

Well I'm doing M3 S3 Penance now might do M6 for that S2

[deft badger]

ah yes and that part xDD

i was like how did chong survive winds without healer hahaha

[stiff wedge]

What I could try is Deploy Penance on that side though?
Or no because the sandstorm will cause damage

[deft badger]

i think that i did try that she dies

[somber falcon]

Idt she really needs mastery if it's just for the mobs, but it'll help if you want to do it regardless

[stiff wedge]

I'll just position. Lappy there

[somber falcon]

Give her some lvl too, lvl 1 is just

[deft badger]

i mean u can place them anyway much different then i did i didn't think much about it, was a first try and it did work xD but yeah let a healer face chong don't be like me

[stiff wedge]

I wish I could but I'm just broke

I've been burning 60k LMD per day
Everything that comes from my base always goes to leveling my Ops
And I have probably 9 ops line up for that

[lapis hornet]

smth like this should work

can always use mlynar to plug holes

[stiff wedge]

I see

Thanks
But Penance level is probably gonna a be hard because I'm having problems with LMD

[lapis hornet]

I'm using penance s2 no idea if s3 is better

doubt her lvl matters that much altho

lvl20 is almost free

unless you're like broke broke

[stiff wedge]

I use her S3 if she's purely alone and will get hit a lot
If not then probably S2 is the best

[somber falcon]

S3 is ST + increased interval so might be worse for slowing slugs

[lapis hornet]

just try it

[stiff wedge]

I could do Level 20
But yeah I'm broke broke
Like I said I burn 60k LMD everyday

[deft badger]

with what do u start IS4? 😄

i need a good starting op lol doesn't feel like exe is the right one

[lapis hornet]

im not touching it til typhon skin sorry no idea

[limpid siren]

Executor should be fine

Reaper open is still good this season

[deft badger]

don't know, i am thinking of starting with a marksman

its just to many fliers all over the place

[limpid siren]

In is4?

[foggy grove]

start with reed if you want something that can handle flier too

[limpid siren]

Every cartridge really is personalised

[deft badger]

will have to try need couple more runs to unluck something else then the 1st two perks

[foggy grove]

but really exe is fine just doesn't scale that well on higher floor

anyhow marksman starter is uh 😓
since early floor want aoe

[deft badger]

my start looks like this if i go with exe lol

[soft crystal]

No ansel and orchid?

[foggy grove]

raise that ansel smh

[lapis hornet]

no

I'm faithful to hibi

[soft crystal]

You need that bnuuy boi buss-

[deft badger]

https://www.krooster.com/network/lookup/TheUnknownMs

i mean u know what i have probably xD

only 3 star i do own is spot kroos

[vernal lion]

[soft crystal]

[vernal lion]

Touch doesn't do much in here tho, mobs in IS4 just oneshot you

[vernal lion]

buff squad belike

this is actually very good for Skalter

[deft badger]

uff

[peak cloak]

one more round 💪

[vernal lion]

bruh

I have 3 men

[soft crystal]

3 women

[rapid junco]

reed carry, trust

[scarlet mortar]

beware of right side

[vernal lion]

lmao 18k atk

[ivory nimbus]

How do I beat DV-EX-7?

[sinful gull]

You can Use Ling or Mylnar from Support

[deft badger]

what is this?

[foggy grove]

it's for ending 2

[ivory nimbus]

Prophecy node is use to decide which ending you'll get.

Top is Ending 1.

Bottom is Ending 2.

[deft badger]

i am at the boss and 0 plan how to take it on xD

[ivory nimbus]

You someone to clear the ice, and then burst the boss down ASAP with big dmg.

[deft badger]

this doesn't look great as well..

[foggy grove]

typhon can solo right side

so it's just clearing ice first then do your thing

[deft badger]

nvm it died

[vernal lion]

you'll die too

[deft badger]

nope..

thst run was clean

i guess its because of

[vernal lion]

yea, if you lose with that relic, it will be pretty much disappointed

[deft badger]

finally got that s-

lol

first floor

[shell arch]

this is #strategy?

We discussed numbers a week ago. What happened

[mossy ore]

hi migo

[shell arch]

Hi party pooper

[mossy ore]

:YA:

[deft badger]

dude i lost to that stupid fast running boss

[rich rune]

Let's talk strategy for newbies. I recommend forming a 'core' for your squads. A core is 2-4 ops that fit your strategy the best and that you can use in almost every clear. At the very least I recommend having at least one medic and one vanguard in your core. For example, my core for the longest time was Texas, Silence, Ptilopsis, and Nearl.

[spark sinew]

most people will naturally do that

although the main problem for newbies is not being able to experiment wuth fully raised squads

so sometimes this leads to false assumptions

[gray stone]

and sometimes overrate someone's performance because they work

I don't recommend people to stick to a core tbh

[spark sinew]

that's what i meant yeah

we don't even talk about how new players won't know what's good performance is

or what hard content is

(remember the guy who shilled eben)

(because he cleared like 1-10 with him)

[gray stone]

lmao

people don't like to change their approach very much

[spark sinew]

like sure he clears shit, but that's not because it's an outstanding unit at e0/e1

[gray stone]

can't believe I see people with GG putting Eyja S2 in the squad

Year 1 operators naturally gets a lot of usage because people knows how they work

[lapis hornet]

eyja s2 >>

ain't nobody waiting til stages over for gg s2 to come up

it's also rng af ggs ruined enough of my autos that I'm never farming with her no more

can't believe ppl actually shill that skill lmao

[spark sinew]

comedian

[lapis hornet]

no I never use gg s2

ppl just don't get that afk skills aren't about paper performance

it's about convenience and whether they do enough

like the one time I might use it is for annis cause you can skip now

[glass monolith]

Meanwhile me: Uses GG S3 in Anni because i can skip

And honestly used it few times before skip, then do classic fixing of auto because drone explosion bla-bla-bla kill gate desync

[lapis hornet]

okay to be perfectly fair it's also good in sss

if you still do it

[limpid siren]

Reminds me that i should probably do these sss towers once before they leave

[glass monolith]

You are being once reminded to do sss towers

[limpid siren]

[glass monolith]

[lapis hornet]

ya same

actually

might have missed a couple medals alr

account bricked gg

[glass monolith]

I got all secret SSS medals pre-nerf and still question how on earth it didn't burn me out completely for AK

[lethal dragon]

Me who never skipped a single rotation of sas
Except the last one

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1116680417811120198.png?quality=lossless&size=64

[lapis hornet]

i got everything pre nerf

idk it was still new enough to be interesting ig

[lethal dragon]

I just hate current towers

[glass monolith]

Every opportunity not taken is something we won't ever financially recover from

[lethal dragon]

Poison and mama

Next it's seaborns and ice cream

Right?

[glass monolith]

fuck go back

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1151730617042612295.png?quality=lossless&size=64

It's fine I have eyjaberry

I heard she is crazy good

🤯

[glass monolith]

Tell it to IS4 and bug with invisible elemental damage bar

Or maybe i am pepega with issues to situational awareness

Yea i am pretty sure i am just idiot who don't know how chapter 11 trees work

[lapis hornet]

oh I'm only missing these

is that the only new tower in 3 months?

it's still up right?

[glass monolith]

They arrive in pairs

[lapis hornet]

huh?

i did one but not the other?

[glass monolith]

It seems so

[celest bluff]

Does monst3r count as defender that deal more damage

[deft badger]

i love is4 actually its nice...

[celest bluff]

I mean in playstyle

[deft badger]

monster as defender?

do u mean the defender buffs

in IS

btw how is valarqvin?

[cosmic thicket]

kind of? but the only one who can heal is kal, and healing is actually somewhat relevant

[spark sinew]

add me back and try mine if you want

although i can spoiler you

[deft badger]

u should add me on my main anyway

so that i can spam u and svb with clues

[spark sinew]

the horror

send me a request

[deft badger]

he probably already going crazy lol i am sending everything to him needed or not xD

i don't remember ur tag

[deft badger]

hahahaha

ain't they kinder broken?

[spark sinew]

you will never find out my nickname

[deft badger]

well add me dude 😄

[tall cairn]

[spark sinew]

that was sarcastic

[deft badger]

ok this is actually sad now, i am on dif 4 now but... past 8 runs, 0 fails, foldartals are broken keeping that 50 atk speed for the end
mlynar exe spot eyja-alter anything to kill right side boss just dies all the time now i am kinder sad

[spark sinew]

do ed2/3

[deft badger]

nope xD ending one to the end

maybe later when i got all the mats

[spark sinew]

insert lappdumb emote

[true pendant]

I'm stuck on 1-8, what should i change?

[deft badger]

do the event

[cosmic thicket]

is event even unlocked

iirc it unlocks at like 1-10 or smth

[true pendant]

I'm forgot about support unit

Anyways now it's completed with 3 stars

[spark sinew]

should use 12 units

even if others will be not leveled

[deep talon]

is lin good for starter/reroll?

[foggy grove]

nah

[spark sinew]

could be worse
you can roll beginner banner and see what drops from it

[deep talon]

Following reroll guide, but trying to pull one 6 star from any banner(don't know which) and another from beginner for starter

[deft badger]

can we give a way our alts?

have the one i made a month ago sitting and i am not even playing on it

[spark sinew]

yeah that's the way

honestly if you get mountain it would be fine with Lin
or you can reroll for typhon+mountain

might take significantly longer though...

[ornate pond]

best banner to reroll on is typhon

best case scenario typhon reroll then get mountain from starter banner

[spark sinew]

wtf he just teleported

so he can only stun 6 times?

the first phase was scarier ngl

[gray stone]

He can also be stunned

You know what that means

[spark sinew]

second phase uhhh

evaporated, despite misplaying

but yeah i got scared when he deleted all my highground in first one

[polar crane]

I ling it using guide cuz lazy to play and make auto so I do it in 1 go
cr8 took long af per auto

[gray stone]

Ew

Boss has 50k HP

and stunable

Zuo Le sweeps

[spark sinew]

i forget he exists

[polar crane]

you have zuole

[spark sinew]

actually thought you shilled ash

[polar crane]

I dont

[gray stone]

So yeah Zuo Le can solo his P1

P2 is a joke with Ines

[spark sinew]

man even has ines, can't relate

although playing with basically reedic and 2 fast redeploys only taught me

[sullen rover]

ash slams?

[spark sinew]

everything can be solved by s2 reedic sandwich

except flying boss fuck Ya

[sullen rover]

can you kill the gardener with reedic?

[mint jolt]

Reedic s2 can't hit enemy flyers?

[flint falcon]

no but u can kill fortuna

[spark sinew]

you probably can? i didn't play ed3 on either cn or en

idr his tiles

idt the ed3 boss is flying

[sullen rover]

seedbeds?

[spark sinew]

i won't even ask wtf does "when defeated once" means

does he have two of the same phases, but one with more attack?

also only 50 res

[steep yew]

Any tips on beating 6-5 on the main story? (I’m a little struggling on that)

[sly drift]

Wait what. We can combine foldartar to higher quality foldartar?

[foggy grove]

what do you have
a good brick to tank bone thrower is good

[fringe jackal]

Colour matching gives extra bonuses

[scarlet mortar]

yh phase 2 does the same thing but stronger

[sly drift]

How do I use matching colour together. Declare twice?

[polar crane]

red + red is bonus

blue blue is bonus

green green is bonus

red green is no bonus

[sly drift]

I'm asking whether I have to choose the node twice (Declare twice whenever want better effect)

[vital arrow]

Its just matching color

Just match the clause and effect with the same color

[sly drift]

Right

[timid schooner]

💀

WHOSE IDEA IS TOO PUT THOSE GUYS

[drowsy jewel]

camp left boxes ya

[scarlet mortar]

plug left side

spawncamp the instigators on the right

[foggy grove]

isn't that stage easy?

[scarlet mortar]

you have just enough to win but if you screw up it's lmao

[spark sinew]

man i hope that was temp sail

otherwise it's kinda sad

[weak gazelle]

that map is the easy one

[foggy grove]

ye it only looks scary at first

[scarlet mortar]

it's funny bc either you plug left side and win no problemo or you don't and die terribly

[weak gazelle]

well yeah sudden civs at the center always caught you off guard

[scarlet mortar]

the strikers snowball deaths and then you start seeing a cleaner spawning

[weak gazelle]

glad i rarely see cleaner in IS#4
that thing with buff is pain in the ass

the bait encounter is also auto lose hp

[glass monolith]

Don't worry, I.S. rerun will fulfill your cleaners quota pretty quickly

[mossy ore]

they will fill their own quota of fucking up my runs instead 👍

[jovial nest]

Oh....IC without cars.

there's quite an obnoxious harass backlane on the left

and another harass sidelane on south

drone spawn is basically Minimalist, isn't it?

i don't remember flyers in IC other than him

[foggy grove]

lol caster is dying to reflect

[jovial nest]

I'm just gonna put Chalter on left spawn duty

Typhon takes the right

and to those who wanna use em, holes.

the single hole one is prime Galter S2

[steep yew]

Alright thank

[jovial nest]

lmao they delayed the dodge dwarf waves because it might be too much for earlier waves against newer players

I'll go with this for now and adjust with the redep gang later.

wow wave 350 is brutal for a new player haha

ah finally. more red certs

[timid schooner]

semi afk ig

[glass monolith]

Ah shit, my flawless plan forgot about funny IC car of death

[timid schooner]

yes

[crisp bolt]

no the new anni

I have to figure out a new afk strategy

with half the afk ops

[foggy grove]

uncle on drugs 💤

[timid schooner]

lmao

[crisp bolt]

Aak gaming

[peak cloak]

Aak gaming

[vernal lion]

It was at this moment, he knew... he fucked up

[crisp bolt]

my cursed semi-afk setup

had to break the afk against boss to make sure I didn't leak

[tidal sedge]

Should I M3 Erato just for knight fight?

[crisp bolt]

no

you don't even need her e2

her s1 masteries only increase damage

[vernal lion]

m3 only increase %dmg, you don't need if you don't arm for mod and big dmg

[crisp bolt]

no sp or sleep duration increase

[tidal sedge]

Are there any other alternatives to fight knight because Erato is the only thing I come to mind and what I'm currently have

[crisp bolt]

Mr. Nothing

Gnosis can also work if you cope hard enough

[tidal sedge]

I don't build nothing because I have no idea what he can

Don't have gnosis

[glass monolith]

He can turn on anime aura of 3 colors making you go google which aura is what

[crisp bolt]

basically his talent stuns after not attacking for a few seconds (you want mod to decrease the time). He attacks, freezes, and then proceeds to stun the boss

all the matters is red aura

red is +aspd, blue is enemy aspd reduction, purple is +1 block

the wiki gg seems to consider this yellow

[vernal lion]

that's not yellow lmao

[glass monolith]

Probably used neural network to tell color and it instead told color of "faces in this direction" thing

[limpid siren]

one must imagine sisyphus happy

[crisp bolt]

my strat was so cursed I was using saria to kill them

[vernal lion]

least annoying mob

just use pusher

[lapis hornet]

what's does this do?

makes them invis or smth? looks funky

[limpid siren]

yea

[wide sail]

buffs them as well i think

[lapis hornet]

naruhodo

ty kind sirs

[ivory nimbus]

I'm still stucked at DV-EX-7.

Tried this squad out, it worked quite well until the last second, where the onslaught of rockets are just too much and broke down.

[vernal lion]

why do you borrow Amiya instead of Texas or Yato

[ivory nimbus]

Eckogen guide.

[vernal lion]

then just play as Eckogen guide then?

what is your actual problem tho

[foggy grove]

what are you dying to

[ivory nimbus]

Rockets.

Too much rockets.

The line of defense fall when all the healing is spent.

[vernal lion]

is that Ecko strat like 1 year ago?

[vital arrow]

probably borrow someone like mlynar instead of amiya

[ivory nimbus]

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KTsMGJa5JQ&ab_channel=Sayuna

there's literally no special strat for ex-7

you just need to hold all other lanes well, and burst all the mechs early

[ivory nimbus]

No, it's the CM I'm having a problem with.

[vernal lion]

CM is invis dorothy ?

just leak her tho

[ivory nimbus]

Did all that, still dead.

[vernal lion]

that's just an easiest cm in game

[ivory nimbus]

I don't believe you.

[vernal lion]

you can leak Dorothy

[ivory nimbus]

And I'm not trying to kill Dorothy.

[vernal lion]

she won't cost your hp seal

[vital arrow]

do you not have perfumer or something

using gavial is

[ivory nimbus]

Don't have the time when i'm trying to survive.

[vital arrow]

painful

[ivory nimbus]

I do, but then she'll be in range of the rockets too.

[vital arrow]

kill the bots first

[vernal lion]

just kill the fucking rocket bot

[vital arrow]

borrow surtr or mlynar

[vernal lion]

as I said

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3u-tm4sDs&ab_channel=LeoTse96

recently I found LeoTse strat is kinda very good

[high warren]

It's my first time reaching this point idk how I managed but need help
See if it's doable I share op and collectible in next ss

[vital arrow]

what foldartals do you have

should be doable

[high warren]

I activated 50 aspd one

[vital arrow]

do you not draft vanguards

at all?

[high warren]

Never got choice when I got there was no hope

[vital arrow]

fang?

literally 0 hope

[high warren]

Nope

Idh fang built

[vital arrow]

how do you not have fang built

then build her

[high warren]

Never needed cuz got flametail in newbie banner

[vital arrow]

*3s are important in IS

is that literally everyone you drafted

[wide sail]

cant ling solo with 70 aspd lament surely

[high warren]

That's leftover

[vital arrow]

do you have any other foldartal, 50% hp or something

[high warren]

Nope

[vital arrow]

dear lord raise your *3s dude

just go in, then drop reedic on the middle tile

let her do ice cleaning

then drop ling and dragons on left side to block

[vernal lion]

open with Reedic s3, just hope she won't die till she has cleared all the snow tiles

[vital arrow]

you're gonna have a very slow start so just hope none of them dies

[vernal lion]

deploy her on the left

Ling can solo dps the boss, but you don't have experience about this

[high warren]

Left side facing right? Can I drop Angelina for heal? Or just ling and cope

[vernal lion]

yes

[high warren]

Yes

[vernal lion]

also, have you leveled up your tree?

tree skill

[high warren]

It's not much maybe up-to 1 big node in tree

[vital arrow]

its doable

[deft badger]

do u have the 50 atk speed thing?

[vital arrow]

just slow start

[high warren]

Yeah

[deft badger]

use it xD

[high warren]

I activated

Cuz it was only thing I'd lmao

[high warren]

Can I ignore right side? What comes from there, boss?

[spark sinew]

you will see the boss

[vital arrow]

right side should be handle by eyja and a ling dragon

[spark sinew]

it's fairly big

[high warren]

Have 3 life point and 6 objective shield maybe can cope

[deft badger]

the only thing i am worried about is heals..

he does some aoe s-

[high warren]

Do I bring temporary recruit healer or cope with angelina

[deft badger]

don't know actually ask naga or hauck

[vital arrow]

bring a medic

[spark sinew]

reserve casters are useless so 100% bring healer

[vital arrow]

and raise your ansel

*3s are free

[deft badger]

never faced that boss without eyja

[spark sinew]

surtr is kinda ouch vs this boss...

[high warren]

Can Angelina heal dragons?

[vital arrow]

dont cope

just let them take damage

and spawn a new one if they die

[high warren]

Aight

[celest solstice]

this good? I plan on having reedic on bottom supporting mid and maybe eyja facing left cause why not reduce them to ashes there

[peak cloak]

this will need u to plan your deployment orders well

[celest solstice]

I reordered my deployment

[peak cloak]

oh, not your case haha

[celest solstice]

ah

[vital arrow]

idk why you need both ely and myrtle on standby

[high warren]

Reedic left side dragon than right side dragon and eyja
Ig

[celest solstice]

ah someone is doing IS-4

ic

afkable to boss?

[vernal lion]

POV: top lane is ranged enemy

[celest solstice]

yes which is why I have honeyberry

or is it mulberry I dont know the difference

[vernal lion]

boss is in here too

[celest solstice]

I plan on nuking it with typhon

[vital arrow]

just test it out

[celest solstice]

and then mlynar

[spark sinew]

en can't use typhon

[vital arrow]

the stage is easy

[vernal lion]

yea, you planned it

now just try it

if it works it works

[celest solstice]

wait what goes down south?

I just saw a car-

[vernal lion]

transport car

[celest solstice]

only that?

[vital arrow]

just cars

[vernal lion]

yea, just taxi

[pliant yarrow]

it eventually go middle anyway, so u can like free that lane

[vital arrow]

typhon is probably dead

[celest solstice]

shes still alive

[vital arrow]

for now

[vernal lion]

no I don't think so fo later

[celest solstice]

whos dying rn is mudrock

[vital arrow]

their only healer is honeyberry

casters spawn on toplane

[wide sail]

baseball chucking machine or whatever that shit is goes crazy

[vital arrow]

theyll melt toplane like butter

[celest solstice]

well not really, I have 2 more healers, but theyre not focused on typhon

[shell arch]

Anyone knows how much stack you can get from survival contract?

[vital arrow]

infinite

[shell arch]

Nice

[celest solstice]

the only thing I need to heal there is typhon and mlynar

[high warren]

Where I drop ling? I assume near right side face up after reedalter clears ice?

[vital arrow]

just let them block

[shell arch]

I'm today's year old when i found out you can loot cannot
If you do, does it add to survival contract stack?

[celest solstice]

aye Im still standing at 300 enemies

[vital arrow]

anywhere is fine

[vernal lion]

you need Ling to dps the boss

[celest solstice]

when does the boss spawn? 350?

[vernal lion]

~375

[vital arrow]

350 or 375 i forgor

[celest solstice]

ah 375

[high warren]

Can boss damage my range units? Ah sht never felt this newb in a while

[vital arrow]

have you entered the stage

[high warren]

Nope

[pliant yarrow]

ye he can

[vital arrow]

broken bones teach better

[vernal lion]

it's global attack

[vital arrow]

think if this like IS2 teddy bear

[high warren]

[vital arrow]

I mean we can tell you like every single gimmick the stage has

but if you havent seen it yourself

[celest solstice]

oh it did

how funny

[vernal lion]

it's column attack like Dolly

[high warren]

Yeah

[vital arrow]

just get in

[vital arrow]

if you fail then try again

I did say typhon dies later

[pliant yarrow]

its joever

[celest solstice]

its finee

[pliant yarrow]

ur typhon is gonna die to boss ☠️

[celest solstice]

it did

[vernal lion]

Mlynar taunt, so she will be fine

[pliant yarrow]

i think it drop like aoe nukes

[vernal lion]

"kill too fast" issue

[celest solstice]

yay I won

a little scuff here and there

[vital arrow]

I'd use reed s3 instead of s2 there tbh

[celest solstice]

I mean as long as it works-

[vital arrow]

just let her blow up everyone

[celest solstice]

for some reason tho typhon was barely damaging the boss

[vital arrow]

the damage is split

if there are multiple enemies

[celest solstice]

ah

[vital arrow]

the boss is literally in the middle of the spawn

[foggy grove]

yeah her dmg plummet fast when there is random mooks nearby

[vernal lion]

that's just besieger issue, they don't like many targets

[vital arrow]

me when rosa

[vernal lion]

and prio heavy first

[brisk shuttle]

depending on stage its not bad tbh

[vernal lion]

ofc I don't say it bad

mine is still not m3 and mod3 so it's bad

[brisk shuttle]

he has to live up to his name you know?

[glass monolith]

Why this shit had weight 5, come on game, let me have fun

[trail gulch]

Does anyone here have a horn s1 m3? I need her for beat annihilation chocolate street

[vivid rain]

you dont need m3 for choco street

[shell arch]

can someone please tell KyostinV to stop using thorns? He’s not meta or strong anymore and I’m getting real sick of him using him in every map in spite of this

[glass monolith]

First try, not even close, f2pbtw (Anni)

Oh and Weedy scored 0 kills

[limpid siren]

[brisk shuttle]

wish minimalist wasnt as dense as a black hole so i could gently push him in the hole lol

[glass monolith]

I more hate those machines of extra fun. So happy there is only like 3 of them and they are not EX edition

[deft badger]

ok can be done with normal healer xD

[vernal lion]

and with that relic

[deft badger]

yeah healing relic xD

hahaha

+res 300 def and 30res relic? 😄

[vernal lion]

small buff but absolutely good

specially for ranged

due to lacking defense stat

having that relic in IS3 will help alot

[vital arrow]

300 def and 30 res isnt a small buff

Defenders wish they have 30 res

[grand ginkgo]

"small buff"

[vernal lion]

they just need res if enemy has big arts dmg, like in ed3 and 4

[vital arrow]

Mfw casters

[vernal lion]

and also, many mobs in here are selected in the annoying enemy list

like the combo of gargoyle, cannoneer and revivable-token mob

and even in 2 opposite lanes

[glass monolith]

Enemy count on ed3 make me want to look away

[crystal cargo]

Chat is this enough to afk

[glass monolith]

If it works it works

When it doesn't, skill issue

[crystal cargo]

[glass monolith]

Due amount of spawn kill i had i don't know if there is situation when too many croc brutes come at once to overwhelm blockcount

[cosmic thicket]

mlynar has such a good afk skill

[crystal cargo]

I have the backup mlynar gavialt cycle

[deft badger]

what does spawn behind my eyja?

[glass monolith]

Crocodiles

Alot of crocodiles

[deft badger]

range?

i mean is she going to die xDD

[glass monolith]

And then Taxi which will pick up Croc Brutes and with Wololo drive into your Hoshi

Haven't seen ranged crocs

I was more destructed by stacked pile of IC casters on top because tauntless gaming

[hazy totem]

Found the perfect tiles for Eyjaberry, Horn, Fia and Ebenholz.

[deft badger]

well it did work so yeah

[deft badger]

did i miss something 😄

[wide sail]

steamcommujity

[crystal cargo]

😴

[vernal lion]

now afk it

[next crane]

Should i swap now kroos with reedic? A fat hammer user, drones and some red enemies that heal itself will come in 10 kills more

[sweet steppe]

which one should i start with ?

[glass monolith]

Whichever you like, i guess. Support for grinding shop donation floor 1 or just greed. Cheap recruit/chance for promote if you prefer spamming specific classes

[remote perch]

Special training tbh

[deft badger]

why is floor 3 the hardest for me

[glass monolith]

Because we getting used to being dominated by 2.5 speed crocodiles and bullshit IS4 casters

[deft badger]

i don't have ops till floor 4 like 80% of the time

exe has to solo all of it till floor 4 and i get vouchers that are not support

[remote perch]

[severe venture]

[deft badger]

try to 3 op that map with exe one tank and healer XD

btw why is that locked, they did let me go up there but i can't pick the atk buff

[severe venture]

Not possible, my mistake for thinking I could do it. But I learned my lesson

[deft badger]

it is possible but still stupid af... when they all charge on that civilians

[severe venture]

You have to unlock the left side

[deft badger]

middle one or the upper one

[severe venture]

middle one

[deft badger]

i guess any of them

since the lower side did let me pick 2 of them in the middle

[severe venture]

I don't know how it works but I don't think the game will let you pick all of them without completing the first part

[flat sapphire]

It's prob coz it's moving back to the left side

[sullen rover]

reedalt fucks this map

[flint falcon]

reedic cooks a lot of the maps

[deft badger]

my reed is e1 atm so yeah...

exe does just fine

[full finch]

mmkay
what 6 ops clear the new annihilation

[cyan gorge]

Horn spawnkills almost everything

[full finch]

who else

oh

probably someone to deal with minimalist

[cyan gorge]

Penance/Mlynar can kill top lane ranged mobs with reflect

Pozy turret solos boss

or just Mlynar it

[full finch]

can I typhon

the boss?

or is this a bring mlynar scenario

[cyan gorge]

I imagine Typhon can just as easily

[full finch]

I'll bring kal to round it out

mmkay

attempt 1

[deft badger]

this was (brain)afk... xD did have to use mlynar skill once for the boss

[full finch]

[deft badger]

btw does horn hit air? never used her so just asking

[full finch]

no

mhm

car + boxer croc is kinda annoying but w/e

any ideas for optimization

[tidal sedge]

how should I kill Ishar Mla?

[scarlet mortar]

nuke the hell outta her

unless this is d15

[tidal sedge]

luckily I'm doing it on low difficulty

[scarlet mortar]

tbh the "easiest" way to kill ishar-mla would be to prep some helidrop skills and one immortal tank

[tidal sedge]

like helispam texalter and Yato?

[scarlet mortar]

the worm is really oppressive and all of ishar-mla's attacks do true damage

so you're outta luck tanking with defenders

[tidal sedge]

should I not step on it?

[scarlet mortar]

hp and heals are better against her, besides that it's kinda possible to prep goldenglow if you have the spare DP

[scarlet mortar]

you... should step on the tiles

but they really hurt

so it's up to your roster whether your guy lives that long

those tiles charge ishar-mla's ability to turn into the worm

fortunately the worm has paper defences while ishar-mla's the tanky one, so in theory you could just keep deleting the worm while you deal with the other mobs

but you're better off killing her as fast as possible

[tidal sedge]

should I start with the Texalter or the Yato

[scarlet mortar]

idk what your relics are but i doubt either will oneshot her

[tidal sedge]

I meant at the start of the game

[scarlet mortar]

cexas S2 and ya2 S3, start with a vg to farm DP and alternate them

[tidal sedge]

I have to restart the game because I messed up the path

[scarlet mortar]

doesn't really matter who first ig

try saving ya2 for the worm

[tidal sedge]

I just misclicked the path, now I have to restart from the beginning

again

[signal lichen]

Seen people start with both yato and Texas I think I actually prefer yato slightly but also ofc slightly depends on your stages and what not

[scarlet mortar]

...oh you mean f1

either works? f1 is easy

low diff anw

cexas and ya2 both get their antiair skill at E2 so idt there's much advantage in getting one over the other early on

ig there's a slight preference for cexas since you can guarantee having her and she kinda owns later floors by herself

[spark sinew]

oh she does?
oh low d is3, not is4

[scarlet mortar]

IS3

[spark sinew]

yeah i noticed above

yato is super strong, but at high diff you kinda need to rely on MoM for her to carry

[green gazelle]

Guys can you help me with the ice level on chernobog anni

[spark sinew]

and at low d she feels overkill

[tidal sedge]

How am I doing?

[spark sinew]

yato s2

[tidal sedge]

Are there any suggestions?

[spark sinew]

lumen out ig

what was the initial sp on eyjalters3

[tidal sedge]

So what's the comp?

[spark sinew]

d0?

[tidal sedge]

also other half of the relics

[spark sinew]

you probably win anyway regardless

eyja s3, lumen or perfurmer out maybe

[scarlet mortar]

ngl i drafted ya2 S3 as a failsafe

[spark sinew]

skalter s3 (what was the sp on s3)

open with canta vigil

[scarlet mortar]

she has iframes so even if the worm dismantled everyone ya2 alone could still clear waves

[spark sinew]

tear spawns in the tiles between them

[tidal sedge]

only able to M1 s3

[spark sinew]

put gum? on it

[scarlet mortar]

skalter S3 is ehhh

[spark sinew]

ok nvm that's a bit too slow probably

i mean s2 ain't helping you either

[spark sinew]

didn't answer though

i think on d0 you can even let boss transform and just follow cyanine strat

or we can plug the tears and burst

with pozy texas yato (and probably eyja s3)

main thing to keep in mind if you don't want it to trasnform is

[tidal sedge]

So the comps like this?

[spark sinew]

how it spawns tears

[tidal sedge]

I never used vigil before because Mumu exist

[spark sinew]

also yeah probably swap yato back to s3
i was thinking to just use vigil for a body + s1 dp but idk, he might even do a bit of dmg (1200 def 70 res boss though)

screenshot the map

[tidal sedge]

First time btw

[spark sinew]

canta and a healer

or even vigil

tear will spawn above vigil

put gum? on it, put some healer to the right of vigil

[tidal sedge]

Where am I placing them?

[spark sinew]

deploy pozy and eyja caster

[tidal sedge]

And should I be using Yato S2 or s3?

[spark sinew]

ok, you need to put eyja/pozy 2 tiles above vigil to guarantee tear spawning there

[tidal sedge]

Can you mark the map on where should I place them?

[spark sinew]

it doesn't matter, i agree with cyanine that s3 will be better if you fuck up

the image i sent have spots marked for vigil and canta

[tidal sedge]

Really, it have to be black

So should I place the dog to the right lane or what?

[spark sinew]

refer to this

[spark sinew]

we only place ops the way we do to bait the tear