strategy

[quick pecan]

[latent monolith]

[full finch]

ling doesn't exist

[quick pecan]

what is a ling

[full finch]

dunno

[peak cloak]

design failure

[latent monolith]

Looking at the lowstep ones

[full finch]

I don't have siege or blaze
and my ifrit is mid

[latent monolith]

Siege is prob replaceable with saga or ft

[full finch]

lolno

[vernal lion]

ok SA can kill this bullshit himself lol

[full finch]

not even close

siege is budget chongyue here

[quick pecan]

chongyue at home

[full finch]

pretty much

[quick pecan]

[full finch]

because most 4op cost more than like 54DP

they have to use a vanguard

however, guess who hard carries this map

[vernal lion]

mudrock and ifrit belike:

[full finch]

and has low DP cost

[quick pecan]

blast caster second module will be -10dp cost trust

[full finch]

and so, the chongyue/mountain/skalter/saria 4op exists

[vernal lion]

CY pot gate

skip

[full finch]

you just add texas, muelsyse, etc.

[quick pecan]

imagine needing to skip a chong pot gate 💪

[full finch]

oh

ptilo died

L

[vernal lion]

zima mod3 for pioneer, muel for RL op, texas for +2dp, etc...

[full finch]

later on, shu exists

so you can just load your team with things and have insane buffs for low op

truly, lowop is a p2w gamemode

[vernal lion]

speedrun is p2w too

[full finch]

oh

[quick pecan]

i’m gonna have to borrow a ling or a dusk for my low op

cringe

[full finch]

I had a thought

what if I open with bagpipe

and use her to delete eblana p2

[quick pecan]

shu p2w buff + s3 is basically a skalter buff on chong though

before the aspd is even factored in

[full finch]

least 🐳 squad

[quick pecan]

yeah you’re using a stinky 5*

[full finch]

[vernal lion]

imagine Ptilo sp rate buff for afk

real cope

[full finch]

low step uses eyja now

healing stronk

[vernal lion]

E2 for elemental dmg reduction

[full finch]

bagpipe is a good DP generator surely

[vernal lion]

E1 won't work

[full finch]

at least bagpipe has no DP loss

so I can deploy her as many times as I want

[steep coral]

bye

[quick pecan]

most sane bagpipe s3 usage

[full finch]

bagpipe S3 is nuts man

bag S2 copers missing out

[tidal sedge]

How long does he sit there

[quick pecan]

he’s trying to sell his ice cream

[full finch]

[tidal sedge]

Firewatch taking futile pot shots for who knows how long

[quick pecan]

lmaoooo

[tidal sedge]

Also the tile Typhon is such a funny tile for Amiya s3

Hit Andoain for 7 tiles

[full finch]

saria mod3 is so dumb man

[quick pecan]

she cookin

wish hung was able to break 900def off skill

[tidal sedge]

Highmore talent putting in work here too. She doesn't suffer burn

[full finch]

she massively more tanky than mod X and heals just as much

literally the only reason to ever get mod X is for the SP

[quick pecan]

yeah she even feels nicer against arts too

good module

[full finch]

which is turbo copium

(says the mod X lv2 owner)

I was bamboozled into doing mod X for cc12

then just used mod Y anyway because it's better

it caused issues for mlynar cycle but I managed to work it out

still ended up aneurism inducing

[quick pecan]

i can give hung 14% more def

with guard amiya

[full finch]

gavial offskill insulting blaze

imagine needing to wait 60s to lane

[quick pecan]

damn she has more def than some off skill defenders lol

[full finch]

115% scale on blocked enemies too btw

[tidal sedge]

How many enemies is she blocking

[full finch]

3

[limpid siren]

isn't it 1.1*

[vernal lion]

Gavialter is like Broca and Blaze combination

[limpid siren]

[full finch]

might be 1.1

but still

[limpid siren]

but yea it's nice

[tidal sedge]

1.15x is dreadnought mod

[limpid siren]

surprisingly solid module for an already decent archetype

[full finch]

it's a pretty lame module on paper

for gav anyway

just stats

[tidal sedge]

Hmm.

[full finch]

but hits pretty wild stats with it

[limpid siren]

if spec module was atk/hp i'd probably be more willing to upgrade it

[quick pecan]

centurions not named gavial were starting to feel stinky against elites so it’s a nice change in combination with flat atk from mod 3

[tidal sedge]

Gavialter 2nd module will be damage reduction trait but will likely upgrade her healing received buff talent

[full finch]

I think gav S3 manages to reach 2500 atk if she blocks 3+ enemies

pretty big considering it has an interval of 0.6s

[tidal sedge]

Yeah. That's why I'm pretty interested in what Fuze will do

[quick pecan]

fuze bros

we will win

trust

(make doc good pls i am coping)

[limpid siren]

i hope fuze has nuke dps

[full finch]

doc is an instructor

[quick pecan]

i know let me cope

[tidal sedge]

I want to be hopeful about 5* instructor but it's not a good record

[quick pecan]

someone said he could’ve been incantation medic and i die of cringe abt what could have been

[limpid siren]

i think he can be decent

[full finch]

lotta 'nans you can get there

[limpid siren]

i'm cautiously optimistic about them all

iana doesn't seem to be competing directly with kaze for damage

[quick pecan]

iana is so pretty

especially the skin

[limpid siren]

which is probably a good thing

[quick pecan]

but i just double checked kaze s2 numbers and uhh

[full finch]

going kinda alright so far

[quick pecan]

she has a mountain in front of her

and i’m not talking about the furry

[tidal sedge]

I'm curious what she'll do. Bena leans into defense and Kaze is offense monster

[limpid siren]

problem is mostly that bena's style of defensive leaning is largely moot

while she is functional, she simply drowns against better options

[full finch]

alright time for the moment of truth at the wave of 300

[quick pecan]

i question where i would use bena over like a bassline

even if it’s corrosion i would be lazy and use hung bc he has 15% dmg reduction and s1

[tidal sedge]

It's not terribly great ye, but it's a matter of what kind design they'll lean into. I thought about cc angle but Spectral does that already too

[quick pecan]

the pv had invis reveal

maybe from her doll

[tidal sedge]

Hmm. That's kinda neat?

[limpid siren]

i'm fine with cc or other kinds of utility tbh

[quick pecan]

i know in the game her clone like moves around

makes me wonder if her doll will be stationary in her deployed spot or not

[tidal sedge]

Utility focus would be nice since Kaze already hits hard

[limpid siren]

yea as long as she doesn't try to compete with kaze i think she can be good

[quick pecan]

also i realized

i need kaze skin

bad

[full finch]

leaked

[tidal sedge]

I used Bena in a couple ch 12 maps as cheap bait due to mechanics

[limpid siren]

[full finch]

[tidal sedge]

She tanked seeds pretty well

[full finch]

lookit all those fucking enemies

[vernal lion]

Gavialter when enemy has 2k def belike:

[full finch]

it's the respawning shits tbh

they take so much time to kill and come in packs of 3

accompanied by swamp rovers and fireswords

which is totally absurd

a single gav S3 isn't enough to kill all of them

[quick pecan]

i honestly don’t want fuze to be burst

but idk what i want now if he’s not that

[vernal lion]

I have calculated the aspd needed to kill those tokens, in case of Centaurion

[full finch]

I mean

she just can't kill them fast enough to keep up with the incoming enemies

[vernal lion]

that is

[limpid siren]

i'm just always greedy for more real burst

[full finch]

especially since the swamp rovers can't be killed offskill

[limpid siren]

🫡

[vernal lion]

so Centaurion without aspd can never beat those tokens

[full finch]

[quick pecan]

i think specter and broca have me satisfied with 5* centurion burst

[full finch]

she can't kill the thicc red ones off skill, yeah

[quick pecan]

ngl i forgot savage exists

[limpid siren]

real

[full finch]

alr eblana time

[vernal lion]

have fun using centaurion in chap 13

[quick pecan]

ch 13 is exalt playground

[vernal lion]

until he ate aspd debuff

[quick pecan]

simply do not let him eat it

[tidal sedge]

Huh. Timing Typhon s3 in a certain way can cause something a bit weird

[full finch]

eblana died

[tidal sedge]

If you pop s3 when she lets fly a basic attack projectile, the basic attack projectile will trigger her 2nd talent

Not sure if there's any use to that though

[full finch]

yeah it works like that for S2 as well

[vernal lion]

you question if that dmg has been triggered, but does the dmg from first attack of s3 proc or not

[tidal sedge]

It actually screwed up what I'm doing

[full finch]

finished at least

[tidal sedge]

Because it made Andoain get slowed and drop dodge field somewhere I'd rather he didn't

[quick pecan]

wait does sss not give module block

why do ppl this shit then lol

[vernal lion]

no

[tidal sedge]

First clear of maps it does

[quick pecan]

oh does it

ok i will finally suffer and do those ig

[vernal lion]

I'm waiting for new SSS season

[latent anvil]

[quick pecan]

i have to finish elysium module, e2 fire whistle, then e2 and module astgenne

[peak cloak]

bro cooking

[tidal sedge]

Red voucher reset tomorrow at least

[full finch]

all current ashy marsh 4ops use chongyue

[tidal sedge]

I'll mod1 Beeswax and Folinic finally

[full finch]

I refuse to believe that 4op is impossible without chongyue

[latent anvil]

Gav is that good huh

[full finch]

rare footage of gav S3 using all 5 block of DPS

[vernal lion]

limited op, must be good

[latent anvil]

new r6 inc

[full finch]

and gav really uses all 5 block

she squeezes every last millimeter of damage out of that S3

[vernal lion]

she has big dmg, but she doesn't have debuff, and lacking aspd for those tokens

[full finch]

the tokens surprisingly wasn't the issue

[latent anvil]

Are ur units dying without ptilo

[full finch]

since she needs S3 to kill the big bois anyway

[vernal lion]

ofc it's not, it's just that if you don't kill it, it will be issue

[full finch]

it's actually more for the SP buff

[latent anvil]

Can't use fake medic like reed then

[full finch]

since gav is literally doing like
95% of all damage in this stage

more cycle is more better

especially since some enemies literally can't be killed offskill

[sullen rover]

s2 saria for sp? or is it not enuf healing

[full finch]

not enough healing

ptilo S2 only lasts 40s

and saria can't heal while bound

[sullen rover]

saria s2 sucks ass....

[full finch]

yes

if I took SP module saria would die too

eblana skill on phase2 is no joke

[vernal lion]

use Saria s3

[full finch]

arts damage

also the enemies would just stack up and then leak after

[vernal lion]

it will be fucking funny to use Silence s2 and Saria s3 in Raythean SSS

[limpid siren]

@tidal sedge @quick pecan

[quick pecan]

[limpid siren]

bro has a laundry list of requirements to even use his s2

[glass monolith]

True Fuse moment

[quick pecan]

waduh wannabe fortress defender with restrictions

[full finch]

it's so fucking stupid lol

the delay is absurd

[limpid siren]

you legit have to grief his positioning to even activate the skill

[quick pecan]

this is why he’s free

[limpid siren]

what in the god damn hell is this

oh well i guess he might have an extended range for activating s2? or idk

[quick pecan]

s1 duty 💪

[full finch]

the delay

[limpid siren]

i can see the flavour of it i guess

[quick pecan]

is this modern day sesa with more positioning

[full finch]

it's worse than that

at least sesa can hit enemies that aren't smalls

[tidal sedge]

The damage better have like 6* numbers with these conditions

[full finch]

without having a tile and a half lead

[spark sinew]

this positioning req for centurion is crazy shit

[tidal sedge]

But it probably won't

[civic bear]

Lol need cover

[limpid siren]

he does at least have a +1 tile range it seems

but like holy hell

[full finch]

only on S1

[limpid siren]

wait is that s1

[quick pecan]

yeah his ass is staying on s1

[spark sinew]

how many maps do we have that have chokepoints that would allow fuze to use s2

[limpid siren]

there's uh

accident?

[full finch]

he has default centurion range

[limpid siren]

in is2

[full finch]

only S1 is long

[tidal sedge]

What's his s1? Generic atk up?

[full finch]

and by 1 tile

[limpid siren]

[full finch]

ammo skill

[limpid siren]

crikey

[tidal sedge]

Hmm. Not bad on paper?

[quick pecan]

i can cope this ig

[full finch]

well at least it hits 3 targets

but

[quick pecan]

it will eat bullets thrice as fast no

[full finch]

no

[tidal sedge]

I mean they're not gonna put Blaze s2 on a 5*

[full finch]

but the S2

[quick pecan]

hmmm

[full finch]

if it doesn't deal like

[quick pecan]

imma need to see the numbers

[full finch]

500% at least

instantly garbage

[quick pecan]

ngl i cant believe they made tachanka s2 look better

[limpid siren]

i will wait for numbers

[full finch]

tachanka good?

[limpid siren]

but it ain't looking good

[tidal sedge]

Fuze s2 map

[quick pecan]

ok so first dart didn’t hit the center

[full finch]

prayge the other units aren't also fucking dogshit

[spark sinew]

does fuze use 1 ammo per enemy

[quick pecan]

we try again with doc + iana ig

[civic bear]

Eh it looks fine

[spark sinew]

or per attack

[foggy grove]

uh wth

[full finch]

fuze hits those sick collaterals

3 enemies with 1 bullet

watch the skill have like 8 ammo

[weak gazelle]

uhh what is that thing i saw
centurion need a wall cover🤯

[foggy grove]

why does it look so meme

[quick pecan]

wait holy fuck

his s2 has a use limit too??

[spark sinew]

why does the s1 icon have "100 + bullet icon"

[quick pecan]

who cooked here

[full finch]

it requires wall cover
and has the stupidest delay

[quick pecan]

his ass stayin on s1

[civic bear]

Does it even stun?

[full finch]

NOPE

[weak gazelle]

this is blasphemy
i will riot at feed back🔥

[civic bear]

Doesn't seem like it

[quick pecan]

again

who cooked

[civic bear]

Even ash3 does smth

[full finch]

ash S3

[foggy grove]

are they trying to stay true to theme or something weird?

[full finch]

also a skill with weird conditions and terrible performance

[foggy grove]

never played r6

[quick pecan]

it’s true to theme i think

but uhhh

[full finch]

at least if you do everything right on ash S3 it deals 800%

[tidal sedge]

The theme is needing cover to avoid blowing yourself up with the grenades

[weak gazelle]

his number has to be good or else.....🔥

[foggy grove]

i can't

[civic bear]

Ash s3 at worst is nuke that pushes. As little as it is

Maybe this skill has like 3 sp or smth

So u could spam all 3 and redeploy

[tidal sedge]

If the numbers are actually high I can get behind this design

[quick pecan]

i cant ngl

[foggy grove]

i doubt but

[quick pecan]

but like i said i will cope s1

[tidal sedge]

But their track record with goofy 5* skills with hoops isn't great

[civic bear]

Blitz s1 is 15 sp stun . Even tho limited it's still good

[quick pecan]

[spark sinew]

||well it's a welfare 5*, you know his numbers already||

[limpid siren]

yea i can still see it being good with the right cycle or numbers

but it's quite goofy for now

[civic bear]

If this skill is like low sp enough that u can bust him out could be worth

[quick pecan]

i’m not against goofy positioning to make something work either

i like kafka s2

but this seems overboard

[tidal sedge]

Like I think Shalem s2 is a really neat skill, but could've used its is2 performance numbers at all times

[full finch]

don't worry

module will fix him

[tidal sedge]

What's his talent anyways

[full finch]

phys dr

[tidal sedge]

Isn't that module trait?

[foggy grove]

wat

[full finch]

and only on ranged attacks too

[quick pecan]

talent is resist ranged chance

[tidal sedge]

Or was I misinfo'd

[weak gazelle]

ok iana would be good
and more into utility wise
trust

[tidal sedge]

Oh

[quick pecan]

oh it’s reduced

[full finch]

phys
ranged attacks

[quick pecan]

something i saw said resist

[full finch]

[quick pecan]

it’s joever

bro go no talent

even tachanka got one fr

[full finch]

no dont worry

module will save him

[quick pecan]

[full finch]

he will have like 40% dr

surely

[limpid siren]

specifying ranged attacks is the bad ending

[quick pecan]

doc don’t fail me or i’ll mald

[full finch]

instructor guard

[tidal sedge]

Yeah. The game's definition of 'ranged' is funky from my experiences with ExFed s2

[limpid siren]

[weak gazelle]

he have dr huh
have to see his stat first

[limpid siren]

yea

game has some funny ideas about melee vs ranged

in other games it's basically what they'd call hitscan vs projectile

[full finch]

mudrock ranged

[latent monolith]

wait can you give some examples

[full finch]

pretty sure every boss that's ever relevent counts as ranged

[limpid siren]

ch11 artillery have melee attacks

exusiai s3 is melee

iirc

stuff like that

[full finch]

bullets are melee

[quick pecan]

so maybe the talent isn’t cope

[flint falcon]

dolly p2 being ranged

[latent monolith]

bullets have to hit to do damage

[limpid siren]

well no, the talent is cope

[latent monolith]

truly melee

[weak gazelle]

yeah exu s3 is melee

[limpid siren]

because actual ranged attacks are more rare from what i remember

[vernal lion]

now you know what, we need an op that can make "a terran tile"

[limpid siren]

but

[latent monolith]

What is that S2 condition tho

[full finch]

what the fuck

[limpid siren]

that said, fuze's odd positioning requirement might actually make the ranged dr relevant

[tidal sedge]

'Ranged'

[full finch]

I'm dead

[quick pecan]

bro is going to make peeking over the wall his whole job

[limpid siren]

yea, game is very funny about melee vs ranged

[latent monolith]

This skill can only be used when Fuze is facing a high tile and there is a deployable melee tile behind it

[full finch]

hg spaghetti strikes again

[limpid siren]

[weak gazelle]

ohh exe s2 is 'ranged'

[tidal sedge]

Wait. Deployable melee???

[latent monolith]

And three times per deployment too

[full finch]

yeah, deployable melee

[limpid siren]

nah it's melee dodge

[vital arrow]

Watch his S2 deal damage to npcs too

[full finch]

that would be mint

you couldn't make it any funnier

[latent monolith]

no it's exe S2's dodge/ammo recovery condition being on melee attacks

but those missiles trigger it

[quick pecan]

they’re gonna meme him more than spuria

[full finch]

wait

does the artillery still count as a ranged enemy

[tidal sedge]

Yeah ExFed is melee dodge, but weird stuff is considered 'melee' like rocket volley attack, laser DoT from Kreide, and splash AoE from EB

[vernal lion]

now coping for Fuze s2 dmg

[full finch]

oh it does

basic attacks are ranged too

[foggy grove]

they better make it broken dmg

[full finch]

1000% ATK surely

[limpid siren]

yea it's just the barrage that counts as melee iirc

[weak gazelle]

oh right i didnt pay attention to bullets

[quick pecan]

i am predicting an hp and def trust bonus and module gain

[full finch]

5 grenades

[limpid siren]

visual projectiles don't have to be what the attack actually uses

[full finch]

just make each fuze grenade deal 1000% ATK and he will be mid

[limpid siren]

silverash auto attacks have an invisible projectile drawn from him to the enemy and tenzin is just a visual effect

[tidal sedge]

The deployable part is honestly the most wtf to me. I'm actually finding more 1 tile walls in maps than I initially expected, but some of those have banned tiles on one side

[quick pecan]

what if fuze s1 is just marksman in disguise

[spark sinew]

why is he a centurion is the question

[quick pecan]

he’s in a silly goofy mood

[limpid siren]

could have been a nice executor tbh

or a new specialist archetype

[quick pecan]

ok new cope

his s1 has giga bullets and low sp cost

i will sleep peacefully accepting this copium

[limpid siren]

could work honestly

[tidal sedge]

His kit does seem designed around not blocking so maybe?

[full finch]

surely

he won't just get like +30% ATK

and 25 ASPD

[tidal sedge]

I'm not getting my hopes up but I'm not dismissing the possibility either

[full finch]

fuze having an actually good S1 would be amazing

if it randomly had 100 ammo that would be cool too

[spark sinew]

yeah no chance

[quick pecan]

if i see 70sp i die of mald

[spark sinew]

i think even if he expended ammo for every target hit..

[tidal sedge]

If it really is 100 shots, hmm.

[spark sinew]

ok yeah maybe it's 120 sp

offensive sp

[quick pecan]

i cant double skull a single msg but just know i would if i could

[tidal sedge]

I could see high sp cost ye. I'd rather that than low numbers at least

[full finch]

over 100sp skill again

haven't seen one in a long time

[tidal sedge]

120 seems way too high even compared to 5* infinite skills

I could see 60-70

[full finch]

they really didn't make them anymore after launch

[vernal lion]

Fuze is Centaurion, that means his bullet is AP ammo

[full finch]

like I said

fuze hits those sick collaterals

3 enemies with 1 bullet

amazing!

[vernal lion]

game involving to normal ammo, HE ammo and AP ammo when

[spark sinew]

ok yeah, 120 offensive sp is def reaching it even for a joke

[full finch]

40sp offensive is just

why

exe S3 is 24sp iirc

[vernal lion]

it's decent for a centaurion tho, don't ask why

[full finch]

but he also has double hits

[vernal lion]

I guess it's very fine for him

it's also skill with unlimited duration

[quick pecan]

exalt s3 in practice is like 18sp on average iirc

[vernal lion]

look, Thorns is 15sp per time, so 30sp + 30s (1st duration)

to get unlimited duration

[tidal sedge]

Hmm. What maps would he realistically make 100 attacks. Besides annihilations ofc

[vernal lion]

this is still better than Thorns tho

[full finch]

thorns being 30sp offensive with 30s of waiting in the middle

[quick pecan]

thorns does a bit of trolling

[vernal lion]

that is when he gets perfect time

imagine stucking at 14 sp

for 1st and 2nd activation

[wicked viper]

oh wtf

i just realize fuze s1 really say 100 ammo

[full finch]

would be super funny if it did actually have 100 ammo

100+ sp skill incoming

[wicked viper]

no extend range no

[full finch]

it does

[wicked viper]

[full finch]

S1 gives +1 tile

[wicked viper]

oh

ya

[full finch]

just hope it doesn't get some ungodly offensive recover sp cost

[tidal sedge]

I mean that's close to an infinite skill and those are in the 60-70 sp range

[wicked viper]

i wonder if it's gonna pseudo perma or something

[vernal lion]

imagine Iana can switch between her doll and her real body,
damn this is so fucking cool tho

[full finch]

hype

except fuze

[vernal lion]

so Ela is trapmaster with aoe dmg

that's the opposite of Frost bruh

[full finch]

new trapmaster mod tho

X this time

[vernal lion]

also, I am really hyping for the coop mode if it's really back

[tidal sedge]

Wdym new

[full finch]

not sure how it can top the previous one tho

[wicked viper]

people speculate that ela can deploy her mine on top of enemy

[wicked viper]

like

new new

[full finch]

all the current trapmaster mods are Y

[wicked viper]

dorothy is modY

ela got modX

[full finch]

ela gets X

preview for dorothy

[vernal lion]

Y is RNG trap dmg
X must be some kind different

[tidal sedge]

Hm. Really? Interesting

[wicked viper]

ela trailer module

vs

dorothy module icon

[full finch]

Y mod is 20% chance for 200% damage crit mines

[tidal sedge]

I thought Robin had the other type

[full finch]

nope

[quick pecan]

well assuming his goofy ass does have 100 bullets and assuming his aspd increase isn’t crazy high he may be able to shoot for almost two minutes before next skill cycle starts

[wicked viper]

modX might be "mine can be deployed on top of enemy" or something

[vernal lion]

that looks like reducing the cooldown of mine fr

[wicked viper]

that's my guess

[full finch]

big if true

[wicked viper]

that seem possible too

[vernal lion]

that's way too broken tho

but yea, cope

[full finch]

the real cope is knowing that fuze hits 3 enemies

[tidal sedge]

Maybe cheaper traps

[full finch]

surely that will make him good

[wicked viper]

fuze being centurion make no sense

lol

[full finch]

makes as much sense as tachanka being a swordmaster

[wicked viper]

to be fair

tachanka attacking twice as swordmaster gimmick is ok

[full finch]

just use AP ammo and collateral 3 enemies

[weak gazelle]

coping yes
uhmm i doubt it tho, maybe ~10 more realistic
natural centurion trait hit = block count

[full finch]

but yeah fuze S2 is dead on arrival

[wicked viper]

instructor or lord would make a lot more sense for a gun user too

[full finch]

or rather

fuze S2 is dead prior to arrival

even if they give a fuckton of damage it'll be mid

[wicked viper]

"worse blaze"

or well

"non permanent blaze"

[full finch]

S2

[wicked viper]

oh ya

i was thinking of s1 can be salvageable

[quick pecan]

i’ve come to just not want more lords

base lord trait is ass putting an extra tile here or there on different archetype is fine by me. maybe if lord module is good i would reconsider.

[full finch]

me when I point my unit at a wall to use a shitty skill 3 times before retreating

[vernal lion]

you know there's gun that can pierce through 3 bodies

[weak gazelle]

sp cost is the real mystery
i bet min is ~50 sp

[full finch]

isn't that just a naval gun

[tidal sedge]

I'm thinking 50-60 ye

[full finch]

how many bodies do you think you can pierce with a 460mm type 91 AP shell

[tidal sedge]

I'm a touch concerned by the numbers though. It's weird this kind of skill is a s1

[quick pecan]

i can see them lowering the sp at the cost of him not being able to scale beyond medium def

[full finch]

well, we'll see how it goes on release

instead, hype for the other characters

very interested to see how they twist their archetypes

[weak gazelle]

but if turn out his s1 has same treatment as gamiya s2 this is disaster
(assuming that 100 ammo is real)

[quick pecan]

it’s giving marksman vibes but maybe i’m just looking too face value at gun = shoot fast

[wicked viper]

they also review the p2w UI and background

[full finch]

fuze art

[tidal sedge]

That's my concern too

[weak gazelle]

its about time they do this to UI upgrade
or more likely they late introduce it

[full finch]

at least get his E2 art in there

[vernal lion]

I mean, Springfield can hit through 3 bodies

[tidal sedge]

What's the minimum atk we'd want for this to be okay at worst

[full finch]

1000% atk minimum

[wicked viper]

26$ for 1 UI, 1 background, 10 roll ticket and 18

[tidal sedge]

I mean s1

[full finch]

oh

[wicked viper]

knowing 5*

i think it's +80%-100% atk

[quick pecan]

i’d live with like 1200 atk but that seems coping

[wicked viper]

or maybe lower

[full finch]

probably like
+70% ATK and 30 ASPD would be good enough

[wicked viper]

because he also has +aspd

[tidal sedge]

+100% is Blaze s2 territory, no way in hell will it be that high

[full finch]

yeah it would be bad

[weak gazelle]

over 1k dmg already too ambitious

[full finch]

but it wouldn't be awful

[wicked viper]

from the gif review

his s1 doesn't attack so fast tho

[weak gazelle]

about 800-900 ish dmg i think

[wicked viper]

so 25-30 aspd seem like the case

[tidal sedge]

Previews can be misleading at times

Chalter s3 gif preview had a way shittier slow than it actually had

[full finch]

reminder that the clip is in 1x speed

and that centurions have a base interval of 1.2

[wicked viper]

i know

[quick pecan]

i can see maybe .9 or 1s

[jovial nest]

[quick pecan]

but that’s at the cost of the atk% being lukewarm

[full finch]

+50 ASPD would get you 0.8s

[wicked viper]

remember

fuze get the shitty modY

for 20% dmg reduction

[full finch]

phys dr

[weak gazelle]

if atk buff
i got the feeling its spuria level off buff
around +30% atk

[wicked viper]

instead of more dmg on block

[full finch]

it's okay

[vernal lion]

[full finch]

he isn't going to be blocking anyway

since he'll be facing a wall and then get retreated

[wicked viper]

iana got modY too

so her doll is most likely a defensive one

or rather

all R6s got 2nd module

except uh

[tidal sedge]

+30% atk would be like 1k atk. Hm.

[wicked viper]

ash got 2nd mod

[quick pecan]

huh

she got mod x

not mod y

[wicked viper]

oh

Y is the +

[tidal sedge]

Which talent does Ash's current mod buff

[full finch]

that's X mod

[wicked viper]

the deploy one

[full finch]

it's +10% atk to doll

[quick pecan]

ash is most likely getting stun duration +

[full finch]

oh

+15% ATK

[quick pecan]

if they want her to be remotely usable

[full finch]

mb

[tidal sedge]

Oh. Improving stun talent duration might not actually be so bad

[wicked viper]

well

[weak gazelle]

more dmg on stun
trust

[full finch]

ash only needs like

[wicked viper]

it's still low dmg

ig more useful than 1st mod

[full finch]

7s of stun to use up all her bullets

7.5s

her current 4s of stun gets 17 or 18 shots

[weak gazelle]

i dont see their ball enough to do that (improve stun duration)

[vernal lion]

Ash and W combo

[full finch]

each second after that will get +5 hits per second of stun

[tidal sedge]

I can see 6 seconds. Idk about 7.5

[quick pecan]

cope 6.5s real

[full finch]

wait am I dumb

possibly

[quick pecan]

i’m glad doc didn’t get mod x

i can cope him on ranged tile

[full finch]

6s stun would give her 27 bullets on stunned target

[quick pecan]

[full finch]

that's absurd

[vernal lion]

now cope it should be 6s at least

[full finch]

each second grants an additional 5 stun hits

[vernal lion]

[full finch]

there's no way it'll be 6s

maybe 5

[vernal lion]

(ofc)

[full finch]

5 would be 22 or 23 stun hits

big improvement

[tidal sedge]

5 seconds with some kind of additional effect sounds plausible too ig

[full finch]

yeah

lv2 gets a special effect and lv3 gets the extra stun

ofc we could also get shafted and only get like 0.5s

or none at all

ash current mod is totally worthless

0 improvement to skill and -2 DP cost on first deploy

[tidal sedge]

Eh. Idk about that. 6* modules have been less marginal lately

[full finch]

unbelieveably terrible

ash needs a pretty substanial amount of ASPD to save even a single frame on skill

since the current interval is 6 frames

[weak gazelle]

the history mod improve 6* ops greatly....
i only remember 2, specter alter and executor alter
ash maybe get the same treatment who know

[vernal lion]

it's use for s1 and s3

[full finch]

aspd on S3

[vernal lion]

kekw

[tidal sedge]

I'll bet on 6 second stun, or 5 seconds with extra effect

[full finch]

6s stun increases her skill damage by like
70%

[vernal lion]

with W, now it's even more

[limpid siren]

6s stun just removes her reliance on stun support

her total skill damage still wouldn't be enough to rocket her back into relevance

[green gazelle]

What will be my optimal ops placement here with this ops?

[full finch]

I don't think people really used stun support with her except in difficult content

don't underestimate afk brainrot

[vernal lion]

Penance s1

[full finch]

any extra button presses cause an allergic reaction

[tidal sedge]

Yeah. That is why I think 6 seconds isn't so outrageous

and I think HG knows marksman needs some sauce these days. So maybe 6 seconds + additional effect isn't impossible either

[weak gazelle]

im into more dmg on stunned enemy for ash mod

[vernal lion]

that would be good too

[full finch]

27 stun hits is enough to crack a lot of stuff even today

[vernal lion]

more stun will be issue if enemy is stun immuned

[tidal sedge]

Hmm

[weak gazelle]

maybe help sora first?

[full finch]

even if you were lazy af and just used skalter S2, ash S2 would deal like 2k phys per hit

250% scale is a lot

[vernal lion]

yes

[tidal sedge]

Where do Anni 3 Mlynar strats put him

I'm so rusty on contemporary Anni 3 strats

[full finch]

haven't tried anni3 in forever

i dunno

[limpid siren]

here is a pretty simple starting point
myrtle can be on the blue x for a while, but will likely need to be replaced with a two block eventually
red x, i don't remember how many units path through there, so you could consider firewhistle there

idk how necessary mlynar is, cause yea i'm not sure about new age anni 3 strats

[full finch]

missing a healer for exu/lapp

[tidal sedge]

Firewhistle at bot sounds interesting for Crusher camping

[limpid siren]

oh yea perfumer

[vernal lion]

there are 3 tiles you can put him

[weak gazelle]

same
my knowledge are so rusty with this map

[vernal lion]

but 3 is like, medic issue

[full finch]

yep

[limpid siren]

this old setup takes all 9 slots though

[vernal lion]

1 is good to defense both top and bot

[full finch]

besides defense crushers and arts drones, it's just a heal check

[vernal lion]

yea, this is what setup I did help for my old pal

[limpid siren]

mid and bottom defence crushers are only a problem if lappland gets too distracted

[full finch]

wtf p4 mlynar

[vernal lion]

it's 2

but he died (that dude said)

[full finch]

arts drones

[tidal sedge]

What about Lapp at mid and Firewhistle bot

I think Firewhistle gets 2 full s2 uses on bottom 2 crushers

Which should wipe them

Unless Firewhistle wastes some s2 duration on blocked junk

[limpid siren]

i'd have no idea

[tidal sedge]

I know the crushers move in 30s intervals

[limpid siren]

firewhistle would idle a lot in midlane though

[small spindle]

@green gazelle this is a good placement. just make sure to place your lappland and cuora after you place all of your ranged operators

[green gazelle]

How should I do my placement obv myrtle first then what just on what lane enemy go to?

[tidal sedge]

Hm. She'd reach at mid too. Nvm that angle

[small spindle]

Place blu poison, exu, and goldenglow first (after myrtle). After that your healers. There won't be enemies that needs to be block at the start

[green gazelle]

A little bit more but im so close to finishing it

[tidal sedge]

Nice.

[limpid siren]

[green gazelle]

I forget to swap myrtle and 3 got through 😭😭😭

[tidal sedge]

FYI: if you force quit app during an annihilation, it counts as a loss with 0 kills done regardless of your actual progress. You can use this to effectively have infinite practice plans in a way.

Oh. Nvm it's a very solvable issue

[limpid siren]

if no one dies to wave 350 then yea you're home free

[inland tusk]

classic use auodeploy till that moment to solve the issue

[green gazelle]

The top side dies but I can swap with mylnar/kirin yato and pennance if myrtle dies (my rotation is myrtle genereate sp to linit then swap to penance which is the thing I forgot then take out penance after the wave of enemies cause mostly it's one at a time after the 250- 300 then just switch between penance/yato and mylnar if I needed)

[limpid siren]

if it works, it works

[glass monolith]

[limpid siren]

no need to auto this anyway

[vernal lion]

[glass monolith]

But Anni 3 being auto skipped if you don't 400 on current

[limpid siren]

well, the auto doesn't need to be stable

pretty sure they're not borrowing

[green gazelle]

Gotta finish this anni later no sanity left lol

[jovial nest]

Ah remember the times when anni autos have to be stable

[shell arch]

Let's get you back to bed, grandpa

Also no way, jusan changed his closure brand 🤯

[viscid mist]

how broken is reed alter

[limpid siren]

[sullen rover]

does fuze look good or nah

[latent monolith]

Numbers aren't out yet

But he looks not good

• This skill can only be used when Fuze is facing a high tile and there is a deployable melee tile behind it
• Can be activated 3 times per deployment

Need I say anything more

[solid dew]

HE LOOKED SO COOL WHY HG

[viscid mist]

s1 is fine if it has good cycle

[latent monolith]

Ig yeah

[solid dew]

surely the other 3 wont be bad

[latent monolith]

Just not interesting

[vernal lion]

free op belike:

[viscid mist]

basically blaze lite

[latent monolith]

Could be fine if he does a lot of damage

[solid dew]

mod gonna do a gladiia fr

[viscid mist]

tachanka was also shit

[spark sinew]

annis still have to be stable if you login less than 5days/week

[viscid mist]

dont keep your hopes up

[vernal lion]

I'm waiting for s2 number tho

[latent monolith]

Make his DR apply against all enemies to all of R6

[sullen rover]

ig i still have hope for ela and iana

[vernal lion]

dollkeeper and trapmaster were never be that bad

[glass monolith]

cough 4 star dollkeeper

[spark sinew]

trapmaster will be nuts

5* trapmasters are crap though let's be honest
st mines suck

sure they were passable on release but that's about it

[civic bear]

fuze looks bad but the fact that they showcase it against the 2k def mobs implies it has huge multi

[vernal lion]

just need to wait for number, real

[viscid mist]

Please dont make doc limited to 3 barrier per deploy

Actual worse roberta

[scarlet mortar]

insert nuke meme

[vernal lion]

you see, even Myrtle can kill Patriot

[scarlet mortar]

if fuze doesn't oneshot sanguinarch with the buff army i'm not playing

[limpid siren]

wonder if the grenades have much splash

large multi and decent splash could make it interesting

cumbersome, but so is tachanka

[vernal lion]

the explosive radius is like 0.5 tile

[glass monolith]

I sleep. Wake me up when we get operator who survive Patriot phase 1 off skill

[civic bear]

i can see it being like a 3k bomb 5 times atleast

[vernal lion]

5 bombs, each bomb is about 0.75 tile apart

so the 2 furthest bombs from 2 sides will not reach to the middle tile

[limpid siren]

i was hoping for at least 4k tbh

[civic bear]

it probably will reach 4k

like im guessing its 2k at e1 then e2 max should reach 4k

20k bomb isnt all that crazy these days

[limpid siren]

mm

from memory melanite can be about 12k damage every 30s or so, assuming talent is already charged and she has both charges at the end of those 30s

if we take what naga said above to mean that fuze could be hitting a similar tile to what melanite would be hitting for her damage number

[limpid siren]

idk if i'd be happy for 30s, or if i'd want it to be even faster

oh well, can only wait for numbers/release at this point

[shell arch]

Pragyeing it would be an atkscale with conviction level

[vernal lion]

only middle bomb can reach both enemies from 2 sides

yea it's 0.5 explosive radius

[civic bear]

Basicly each enemy take 3

[vernal lion]

sad

[spark sinew]

the answer is obviously to push/pull the enemy down a bit

[vernal lion]

the difference of Siege s2m3 between 2 mods

Idk if 500 more dmg is worthy or not, but it's definitely not for s2

[ocean ether]

How many levels would my dorothy need to 1 hit the slugs with autos? She is lvl 60 S3M3 Mod 3.
Will she be able to do it at 90?

[foggy grove]

0 stack?

[ocean ether]

its max

[civic bear]

p1?

[ocean ether]

yes

[foggy grove]

you can't

slug has 1050

[ocean ether]

Guess no point leveling her to 90

[civic bear]

you can

710 atk stat

so -8 atk stat from max

wait nvm u dont get the +2 stack

only peak at 1005

time to whale 😔

[foggy grove]

i was about to say

[ocean ether]

Well I sure as hell am not going to P3 dorothy just to clear 1-7 faster

[peak cloak]

how about Maggie? do u own her?

[ocean ether]

dont have her

[peak cloak]

big sad

[foggy grove]

just bring gamiya fr

[ocean ether]

And my dorothy is already S3M3 Mod3, she only looses to mag by like, less than 1 sec

dont wanna raise an op just to clear 1-7 faster lol

[sullen rover]

thats one second could be up to 2 seconds and then 3 seconds and then infinite seconds if u do infinite 1-7 runs..
if u e2 mag u can save infinite amount of time..

[civic bear]

u're already farming amiya there

just switch to gamiya and deploy at the back

[ocean ether]

that logic only applies if i immediately start a new 1-7 run when one ends. Except I dont and just check back once in awhile

[fluid fulcrum]

Once again ive proven arknight aint shit im a god and my ego is still thriving

Surging wave 15 , one op elite 1 lvl 1 clear

[limpid siren]

holy shit it's the relic clear

[fluid fulcrum]

[fluid fulcrum]

You need the brains

[limpid siren]

no you don't

you need patience

ain't no brains going on there

[fluid fulcrum]

You need luck

[sullen rover]

you need to replay 271829271th until you get the right relics 🥱

[limpid siren]

there you go

[fluid fulcrum]

And alot of skill

[limpid siren]

no

just patience

[fluid fulcrum]

Nah i did it first time

[ocean ether]

theres no difference if I grind typhon trust in 1-7 or elsewhere right? Just double checking

[viscid mist]

No

Trust based on san spent

You can farm on whatever stage that uses sanity

[glass monolith]

Also don't forget to set them as assistant in command center and do regular violation of personal space trust taps

[halcyon adder]

My fd 8 auto keeps failing

Anyone has a easy stable auto?

[glass monolith]

True damage abuse, dodge ignore abuse, or slow and painful wait for boss to move away from normal mobs so you make him drop fields in places it can't hurt you

[halcyon adder]

I am trying to find a good place to Schwarz him

[scarlet mortar]

if you can bind him anywhere works

(ray propaganda)

other cc methods also apply

[glass monolith]

i don't have Schwarz friends to check my idea

[scarlet mortar]

phantom also works ig, andoain has all the defences of a pile of leaves

and surprisingly phantom gets like most of his S2 damage on him

[glass monolith]

Oh wait his first stop is crossroad, not on right tile from tower, scratch that i have no fucking idea how to Schwarz/Pozy/Fartooth him

[scarlet mortar]

damn i can't believe andoain is unkillable now

[glass monolith]

Unless you cope Indigo for root and Heavyrain S2 to skip need to redeploy or something

[ocean ether]

I just helidrop executor on him + texalter and surtr to down the first phase, then let kal solo the 2nd phase when he goes through the arrows

[scarlet mortar]

uh if it's kal she solos the stage

[peak cloak]

u can add me, i own a m6 schwarz (thx to Cirno's propaganda), but what u want to do?

[glass monolith]

Well dud didn't elaborate on what squad his auto fails with so we can only cook

[scarlet mortar]

[glass monolith]

Fuck this Ando he just walks, and map small, and dude walks

[spark sinew]

top lane is made for it

although idk why you farm it

[limpid siren]

Sapa is too old to give a shit about efficiency

Probably just wants the mat

[lapis hornet]

sapas always been old

[spark sinew]

not a mew player

what is this

not allowed

[scarlet mortar]

wait i mean

[sullen rover]

mew?

[scarlet mortar]

yes no old player

[sullen rover]

we hate old people in here?

[glass monolith]

They flex r6 collab units we won't get till rerun

[green gazelle]

I finally did it

[scarlet mortar]

if i catch anyone here with their hibiscus skin i'm throwing multiple rocks at them

[sullen rover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/884849474583806069/1176892317341331558/1047476215604334644.gif

[tawny solar]

Idk how to do H10-1

[tawny solar]

Kongratoolashens

[viscid mist]

man this is actually so cringe

when e2ing a 6* is easier than e2ing a 4*

[tawny solar]

Lol yeah

I agree

[viscid mist]

i just discovered mlynar is the actual optimal newbie unit

in every possible way

e2 use t5 star that is on the early levels of all IS

[sullen rover]

mlycock busted..

[viscid mist]

those are literally the easiest mats to get

i will just scrap my pinecone e2 for now

e2 mlynar

and try to clear anni 3

i'm sure my 3 day old account will be able to sweep anni 3

how hard could it be

[glass monolith]

If it is easy to get why I have 0

[viscid mist]

you get one level 27 on is2, one level 20 on is3 and one level 20 on is4

then the next one is level 63

i'm surprised at myself at how easy this is

to e2 pinecone i had to get 6 grindstones that are like 300 sanity

[tawny solar]

Real

[glass monolith]

Laugh in e2 Tequila amount of grindstones

[viscid mist]

i didn't even check if e2 cutter was cheaper

but i have already made up my mind

at least with mlyn i have higher chances of clearing anni 3

[sullen rover]

cutter s2 will have extra damage to kill the arts drone in anni 3...

[viscid mist]

is e1 max kroos not enuff

[sullen rover]

idk i dont remember what my auto even looks like

[viscid mist]

😱

well even if i dont clear getting to 350 is a lot alr

[sullen rover]

good heavens..

[steep coral]

anybody here want let me borrow ling lvl 90 e2 S3

i need ling

[latent anvil]

give id

well it works too ig

[sullen rover]

sorry mister..