strategy

[dark glade]

Maybe he just skip tfn?

[old arch]

Oh.

[dark glade]

Because you fight andoain there too

[old arch]

So I just came back like, 3(?) weeks ago from a hiatus.

But this was like a 2-year hiatus LOL.

[spark sinew]

the event mechanics are different...power level, but you can skip any and all of them with sufficient will (and ops)

yeah was just curious about the state of the acc, pure curiosity though

[old arch]

Uhh.

[dark glade]

hauck just say show ops

[old arch]

My account is supposedly(?) good enough. I'm running with very specific operators so it's a bit of a challenge.

Sorry. 😭

[spark sinew]

ando biggest weakness is your positioning

[dark glade]

Wait this is strat not help wtf

[old arch]

So when I found out it was a boss stage, first thing I did was leave and read up his effects/abilities. He leaves random fields supposedly, but...

[spark sinew]

both the dodge fields that he's dropping and his ammo attacks

[old arch]

His ammo bounced and wiped my frontline.

[spark sinew]

yep

[old arch]

So right now I'm thinking...

[spark sinew]

the bounce range is ||adjacent tiles|| btw

[old arch]

Wait why is it spoilered lol. 😭

[dark glade]

I dont think that one really need a spoiler

[spark sinew]

because people are weird about those kinda things, might as well spoiler that

[old arch]

Ohh okay ty.

Adjacent as in the 9 squares or like, cardinal or.

[glass monolith]

Best way to avoid spoilers in AKO is to not ask at all

MY SPOILER MENTIONED DIAGONALS

[spark sinew]

8 tiles around

[old arch]

Lol sorry. Your spoiler was really big(?) so I didn't want to click it haha.

[limpid siren]

[glass monolith]

Also it can bounce to another target or just keep bouncing between 2 targets as game likes

[old arch]

So I'm thinking:

1. Take the right Gelato.
2. Position ops around it.
3. I deployed Estelle on the fence to take him out upon exiting but he could hit me so I changed my mind on that.
4. The description says that he hits left to right with massive phys, so I'm thinking I need to put my squishy ranges to the right. >>

Er, with phase 2.

Hmm.

Idk, I'm having a bit of issue but I read that people were auto-ing FD-8 so like.

It's got to be easy and I'm missing something lol.

[dark glade]

That one is uuuuh, better use redeploys

[old arch]

Hmm.

FRD* to bait the phys...

I see.

[dark glade]

Yeah ppl are autoing it, but they just use shortcut

[spark sinew]

||nuke phase 1 in 3 different spots||

[old arch]

Shortcut as in like.

Cheese/exploit?

[spark sinew]

use your only dodge ignore op to kill ||phase 2||

[dark glade]

||true damage||

[old arch]

LOL.

[dark glade]

Yay

[old arch]

I don't know what to click or not click. 😭

[spark sinew]

btw raise purestream

and other shit for base

[old arch]

Also, I see. Maybe Deepcolor tentacles to bait as well.

[dark glade]

I think if you know how field actually works you will have easy time

[old arch]

Along with her dodge ability... but it seems unreliable.

[spark sinew]

like gravel

[dark glade]

But most of it are spoilered

[spark sinew]

you should click everything

[old arch]

Isn't that Deepcolor. 😭

[spark sinew]

indulge your curiosity

[old arch]

Hmm.

I spam tentacles... around him?

[glass monolith]

You can also just keep killing him when he leaves range of his crigne field, issue is - damn this map is small

[spark sinew]

deepcolor doesn't ignore the dodge afaik

[foggy grove]

why are we spoilering everything 🥱

[old arch]

Or I guess I'd pop her S2 as he launches the left > right field.

[spark sinew]

||case we can||

[old arch]

Okay I'll try it out, thank you guys.

[spark sinew]

||no one can tell me what to spoil and what not to ||

[dark glade]

||open the spoilers when you come back||

[spark sinew]

||or don't. although not like you would click those before you will clear the stage||

[sullen rover]

||why so many spoilers||

[dark glade]

||thats why just flood the channel with spoilers||

[glass monolith]

||Because someone asked to spoiler tag Ando stage and EN is good at following 50% of instruction||

[dark glade]

Because andoain ||dodge this||

[soft crystal]

Andoain more like Andoaint doing anything

[old arch]

Hmm.

Okay.

Not too great but.

Obviously he was the only leak.

Also deployment is weird because Amiya accidentally killed him too quickly so he wiped out my team.

The tentacle bait worked.

But it seems that he's stallable.

[sullen rover]

insane clear..

[old arch]

Like, in the process of stalling no additional enemies spawned and it stopped at 18(?).

Now I wonder... tentacles take up deployment space...

It's a bit hard... hmm.

I undeploy everyone, deploy 5 tentacles + FRD, kill him with Amiya S2, then redeploy...?

But he also couldn't be blocked so he just walked to victory.

Okay time to read spoilers.

Also turns out, the skill was a one-time use thank god.

[peak cloak]

:0

[dark glade]

Yoou will like cm condition

[old arch]

For some reason I thought it would be on repeat like Patriot's spear throw.

[peak cloak]

what was that

[old arch]

My Discord acts up sometimes.

[dark glade]

The screen scan?

[old arch]

Yes.

[dark glade]

I guess you kill him late enough that he only scan once

[old arch]

.....

[dark glade]

The cd is pretty long

[old arch]

Oh no.

[dark glade]

Wait i should have spoiler that

Woops

[old arch]

LOL.

No it's np.

I mean, hmm.

[dark glade]

Sorry for giving you nightmare

[old arch]

LOL.

[dark glade]

[old arch]

😭 Oh no.

[surreal lily]

Just Surtr it

[old arch]

Er, she's not leveled. 😭

[peak cloak]

Adam, did u leak the warcrime guy?

[old arch]

Uhh.

No I leaked the boss.

He took out 2 hp.

No other leaks though.

[peak cloak]

|| Andoain ||

[old arch]

Yeah.

I forgot his name sorry lol.

[peak cloak]

|| worse yet, dont clump your ops for phase two ||

[old arch]

Okay so.. usually with bosses that aren't blockable, there are gimmicks.

Like you can cc them, or like.

Uh, you can permastun them with the cars from that one event.

But... his ammo would wipe my team.

I tested it and he's really weak individually.

However when the ammo bounces it fucks me up.

[peak cloak]

XD

[old arch]

So your guys' 8-square suggestions worked where I could bait the shots.

[old arch]

I can't quite figure out how I'd survive the next wave.

[old arch]

On top of killing his P2 in time.

[glass monolith]

It wasn't suggestion it was us telling where shot bounces

[old arch]

Oh.

Lol well, yeah. But that helped a lot.

[glass monolith]

Just sacrifice Gravel outside anyone to bounce at

And it bounces on tower too

[old arch]

Hmm. Okay.

I got it.

Thank you.

I'll deploy the operators so they're like checkered up.

That limits the damage of his bounce.

By half?

[dark glade]

||the gimmick is just kill him at spawn with true dmg||

[old arch]

...

Um.

🤔 Doesn't ||Amiya need 120 SP for S3||.

There's no way I can get it charged in time.

[spark sinew]

why leaking the boss

[old arch]

He couldn't be blocked.

[spark sinew]

restart the stage

[old arch]

Yeah I'm going to rerun it until 3*.

[dark glade]

There are ops with that and only need 15 sp to charge

[peak cloak]

yes, but u can charge up cuz the mid lane is a heatzone

[dark glade]

I think the problem with this event stage is the map is just too smal

[old arch]

Hmm.

Wait.

[dark glade]

Usually you want to do a small burst > pop field > setup another burst outside field, and rinse and repeat

[limpid siren]

she manages the sp cost through her e2 talent, which gives her 3 sp for a hit, and 10 for a kill

[old arch]

1. Does ||true damage|| ignore dodge? It does say it's physical and arts dodge, so...?
2. When he P2's, does he continue his long-ass route?

[limpid siren]

yes and yes

[surreal lily]

Yes

[dark glade]

Yes for both

[old arch]

Oh my god.

??

[flint falcon]

why r we spoilering everything

[old arch]

Wait.

Omg.

Oh my god.

[peak cloak]

|| cuz yes ||

[old arch]

Okay only issue now is..

The scan will wipe my vanguard.

Hmm.

[peak cloak]

wipe your ops to be exact

[old arch]

Wait no I can deploy tentacles..

Right.

[limpid siren]

if they're still deployed they've more than done their duty 🫡

[old arch]

Okay wait brb.

[surreal lily]

Let it wipe half your ops

Then use other half to clear

[dark glade]

o7 marked vg

[limpid siren]

[old arch]

Both my halves are relatively weak by themselves. 😭

Wait.

[surreal lily]

[old arch]

Okay thank you so much everyone.

I'm ready to 3* this.

I just.

Got it.

[flint falcon]

if dying on p2 is ur main concern shamare takes care of that quite well btw

[old arch]

That didn't work. I'd like to ask a few more questions. Um.

[dark glade]

Would you like it with ||spoiler|| or not

[sullen rover]

what

[old arch]

Nah. It's fine. Just er, y'know, you guys know what you should or shouldn't tell me.

Hmm. I know his route, but it's a bit difficult deploying Amiya where she can hit all the mobs coming in as well as his movement.

Like if I deploy her where she can participate in battle to charge S3, he's also able to shoot her with bouncing ammo

While he chills in the middle for like a whole minute.

[peak cloak]

what is the stage name again? FD 8?

[old arch]

Yeah.

[midnight dragon]

is this alr for mama john SSS?

[old arch]

I also know he takes that convoluted route up, but there's not enough ranged tiles for me to make a stand there with my other ops.

Hmm..

[dark glade]

I dont really know how s3 amiya works so

[old arch]

So I need to utilize that chokepoint. I think.

[glass monolith]

This is probably worst Ando fight we have so far because normally he don't enter map instantly and wastes time on easy to abuse route

[dark glade]

also cant load image, mobile sucks

[glass monolith]

not to mention it is probably smallest map size we have outside tutorial at game start

[old arch]

So okay this is my plan.

I'm thinking... since the bottom placement doesn't work.. since he can shoot her and wipe her, I'm thinking maybe I deploy her on top?

It'll be a bit hard but that means I would have to deploy my vanguard in a way so she can kill the enemies...

And as he moves up, she should be able to one-shot him.

Thing is, as he's moving up though, he will also be shooting the tree/my frontline.

That means I'm worried Amiya won't be able to kill him before he kills her, but that's my current plan.

Alright thanks guys. Brb.

Sorry for the spam. xd

[glass monolith]

Half size of average "explaining what is going on" copy pasta for AK

Thing i like of AK - place units, press skills, win. And when you try to explain what happened to get 200 word essay

[flint falcon]

r u trying to do this w/o support?

[old arch]

Yep!

So I can auto-run it!

[flint falcon]

just a reminder tho minievent stages apparently have just about the same mat efficiency as main story so farming usually isnt adviced

also andoain is terrible for auto since hes very much rng-based (unless u can make sure amiya will remain the main dmg source)

[old arch]

Hmm my plan almost worked.

Yeah, Amiya is.

Okay lemme go again, but thank you for your patience. ^^

[flint falcon]

gl

[old arch]

His ammo bounce wiped me again.

[flint falcon]

did we mention his ammo reloads next to a red gelato stop?

[old arch]

Er, I remember reading that on his info page at the operation start.

But I forgot lol.

Hmm.

It's fine!

[flint falcon]

the same goes for the ice cream vans, casters etc

[old arch]

So..

The ammo can bounce off the Gelato Stop onto my operator.

[flint falcon]

yes

[old arch]

No wonder. Hm.

[waxen swan]

I dont understand anything

[glass monolith]

Dude trying to cook blindly

[waxen swan]

U burn the cook tho

[tidal sedge]

Damn. I'm actually enjoying Typhon s3 a bunch

[old arch]

Okay I made it this far, I'd like to ask for some suggestions so I don't need to keep repeating this step.

So Amiya's S3 took him out. I accidentaly got too focused and didn't deploy bait in time.

So I'll lose most of my ops.

So hmm.

[flint falcon]

side question, y is siege of all ppl ur only built 6*

[old arch]

I'm going to have my defenders and Myrrh up, but that still leaves me with only primarily Amiya (and an un-charged Platinum) as my source of dps against P2.

Do you think, realistically, I have time to recharge Amiya?

[old arch]

Because I got her from the newbie banner way back!

[flint falcon]

yeah but why leave all the others

[old arch]

Er, I don't like them as much!

[flint falcon]

fair enough

[old arch]

Lol like um.

If these current operators were 6*, I'd use them too! I think.

I'm just very fond of how they've stuck with me through all the stages so far.

And I don't want to bench them.

[flint falcon]

i dont think thats enough time tbh yll have to redeploy amiya too

[old arch]

I want to take them as far as possible on my journey.

That's bad...

Hmm.

Is this why you asked about support.

I'm guessing you'd suggest Surtr.

[flint falcon]

unless y've tried this once be4 and he actually stays at that checkpoint for longer than i though?

no i'd suggest kal'sit

[old arch]

Oh.

[old arch]

I'll just run this to the end and see what happens. I forgot honestly.

[flint falcon]

or if u want to refrain from using other 6*s, shamare

[red cosmos]

I need some handholding for H9 4

[spark sinew]

[old arch]

This was pure insanity.

But I madfe it oh my god.

[red cosmos]

Just surtr

[old arch]

Yes I forgot that you guys mentioned the scan just has a massive cooldown.

Since he used it again and wiped the other ones but.

Omg I did it. 😭

[spark sinew]

those fields were popped on awkward spots

[old arch]

She's unleveled. 😭

Yeah so.

[red cosmos]

now challenge

[peak cloak]

holy cow u did it Adam

[old arch]

LOL.

I didn't expect to either omg. But lemme see the CM...

Also after I clear a map I usually watch how KyostinV does it.

[flint falcon]

congrats

[old arch]

I think I'll get some ideas.

[peak cloak]

*get cancers instantly

[red cosmos]

Pls build ur surtr, braindead gameplay

[old arch]

That's why! I'd like to keep the challenge and freshness and take my loyal ops (so far) as far as possible.

Once the game implements a point where I can't get pass without 6*, I'll level them then!

[red cosmos]

U still can do that

[old arch]

I'm guessing she's like really good? Lol.

[red cosmos]

Pluma is good

but... I have this

Look at this weedy m9

[sullen rover]

e260 ew...

[old arch]

Yeah whew.

Those dodge fields made it hard to clean up the end.

But wow.

That was probably the most fun map ever. 😭

I hate the boss though.

[flint falcon]

[old arch]

Never again please.

[surreal lily]

At least get her to lv 70

[sullen rover]

goated..

[red cosmos]

I am building Fedex s3m3 and Elysium S1m3 now

I need some handhold through H9 4

[spark sinew]

please don't build ely s1m3

p2 🚮

[red cosmos]

No

I am going 3 vanguards

[spark sinew]

moduled myrtle

those are your blocks to waste

moduled p2 s1m3 ely makes even less sense though

[flint falcon]

4* modules cost like 3 blocks

1 if u dont level

[shell arch]

Hauckindu do i s1m3 ely or sail?

[spark sinew]

i have no sail

[shell arch]

[surreal lily]

I have 80 module blocks and wouldn’t spend it on that

[red cosmos]

Why is S1m3 ely bad?

[shell arch]

Because they probably have s1m3 myrtle already

[red cosmos]

This sp difference paired with BP talent makes a huge difference

[shell arch]

Blue poison?

[red cosmos]

This is myrtle

[spark sinew]

it's strong but why
let alone on non p6 it feels worse

[red cosmos]

Bagpipe

[spark sinew]

i can understand doing m6

[shell arch]

[red cosmos]

Double flag and Bagpipe so I can start printing tons of dp instantly

[glass monolith]

Or just Cantabile and manage your consumsion smart

[red cosmos]

I use surtr, I am braindead

And, next I am building Lee so

[glass monolith]

I built S2M3 Lee for no real reason and made Ando explode with Texas alter (I didn't even bother to play CM without rarity abuse)

[shell arch]

Why double flag when you can just myrtle saga bagpepe tech it

[spark sinew]

which is unnecessary in most, if not all, stages

something like e2 texas mod1 (god forgive me for shilling Texas) would actually be preferable with p1 bag wouldn't she be

over 2 flags

🤔

[radiant quartz]

what’s your opener on FD-7?

[civic bear]

double flagpipe is p much just for if you want to put out your units within first 15s. but truth is you really dont need to open that fast in almost all stage

[shell arch]

True

[civic bear]

like the fastest hard stage i can think of is h10-1 which is a 30 dp gate on 2 lanes (just for low tier enemy tho)

[shell arch]

But having morbillion dp in the first 10 seconds comes in handy when spawncamping

[spark sinew]

i did ines - exalter - mumu but that's unoptimized rarity abuse
hold both lanes, although you need to redeploy exec later

[radiant quartz]

oh fuck i meant CM version-

[surreal lily]

Mudrock

[radiant quartz]

lmao

[surreal lily]

I’ll check mine

[civic bear]

a good amount of misconception is that people think if theyre running into dp problems to open in casual playthru = bring more vanguard.
but its not true often times. more like bringing a better transition units. this can include a not too useless vanguard (ines bagpipe or maybe pioneer) or straight up cheap op (frd/brawler etc)

[radiant quartz]

FD-7 CM is stupid with its light placement (clear skill issue from me)

[spark sinew]

that was for cm

[surreal lily]

I think for CM, Myrtle Thorns facing right to unlock top blue box placement, then Ines to light up bottom blue box

Then I actually did place Mudrock on bottom

[radiant quartz]

Great idea I now have a good idea of what to do

Mudrock gaming

[surreal lily]

[midnight dragon]

what typeof strat did yall use for mama john sss

i did a defender + GG + Slow but for the the 5th stage i rly need a mudrock for the enemy surge but i dont hav her ;-;

[shell arch]

I did the reedicbean tech

[spark sinew]

mlynar carry works well

[shell arch]

+1 tanky defender to stall the boss to oblivion

[spark sinew]

i heard lin does well as well

[wicked viper]

lin does well in raythean

not mama john

[shell arch]

Yeah lin works well in mama john too

[wicked viper]

altho she is still fine for mama john

[tidal sedge]

I used GG carry

[wicked viper]

i think most of the first 5 floors are easy

[spark sinew]

don't tell me

[wicked viper]

last floor can be annoying with 3 lane

[spark sinew]

fog in raythean gets blocked by shield

[wicked viper]

yes

[spark sinew]

clear favoritism from HG

[glass monolith]

You mean 2.5 lanes and one Gladiia S2 hole

[spark sinew]

expected nothing less

[tidal sedge]

It works vs regular poison haze

[spark sinew]

yeah i don't use lin, as you can tell

[glass monolith]

[midnight dragon]

whats the bean tech?

beanstalk?

[peak cloak]

this ia reedic bean

[glass monolith]

I assume he placed to 2 random operators next to issue and then activated S2

Now imagine Dual Chainsaw sounds

And your issue is resolved thanks to medic team

Pharmacy company game where medics doing something toward you winning stage once in a while

[scarlet fulcrum]

Main thing about game, having fun

also amigo wasting mobile data no way

[vernal lion]

hmm

I think I make a mistake

[glass monolith]

First mistake starting H12-4

[vernal lion]

I should deploy Nian away from Ely, so boss will target one of them

instead of Blemi

[weak gazelle]

man... andoain without buff is so weak and casmiya just laugh at him so hard

[vernal lion]

the joy of true dmg

[weak gazelle]

guess fd-7 was more challenging simply because shitty light placement

[shell arch]

5vgA/casterA reedicbean tech

[shell arch]

Fun? In #strategy?!?! Unacceptable!!!

[scarlet fulcrum]

[spark sinew]

amigo conquered his only weakness

limited data plan

[cosmic thicket]

https://youtu.be/f53LZoecTjc?feature=shared mlynar might also be doable but much harder timings

[waxen swan]

Mama john a bitch

[shell arch]

By stealing neighbors' wifi

[spark sinew]

reporting you to the police as we speak

[shell arch]

[waxen swan]

Amigo bad

[spark sinew]

@turbid badgedo you know how jieyun s2 works

why would she throw it here, if enemy was to the left of saria

like...what

[vernal lion]

it's her fixed tile, it will never be changed

[spark sinew]

oh so it's always like that man that's a bad skill description, if so

[vernal lion]

yea

[spark sinew]

does module def ignore affect s2 btw

i assume no, but who knows

[vernal lion]

fun fact, it will lose vision too if there's NL mechanism

so bad

[waxen swan]

I dont think anyone is defending this shit

[spark sinew]

yeah I'm considering mastering s1 instead

[glass monolith]

RA fucking hates Gladiia S3, this WaiFi S2 and god knows how many skills

[polar crane]

NL light is different from ra

[glass monolith]

Typhon S3 100%

[vernal lion]

I believe it's just coded like GG s3, except it's not homing attack like drone

[polar crane]

she wont lose vision in NL

[vernal lion]

oh yea, it's just similar like that

basically, in NL, deploying your op and it will review range

[scarlet mortar]

RA and NL's visions are really different lmao

[vernal lion]

but this one only reviews based on normal attack range

[glass monolith]

Instant vision equal to your attack range
3x3 box with origin of your Operators with 15 second delay
"Those are same mechanics"

[scarlet mortar]

the only thing abt RA's vision that's the same is that you can't attack the mobs

[vernal lion]

^

so if you lose your normal attack range, you're fucked up

[scarlet mortar]

for range expansion skills they change range too

[vernal lion]

yes, that's what I mean

[scarlet mortar]

it's just the global range ones and a couple stuff like gladiia S3

[vernal lion]

gladiia s3, gg s3, and this one

they all have skill that is NOT normal attack

so they lose vision

[scarlet mortar]

does rosa S3 lose her vision

[vernal lion]

that is not what ppl usually test it

but I assume it maybe

[scarlet mortar]

it's that kind of jank

RA's fog is weird

[cosmic thicket]

RA fog being based on atk range is funny

[vernal lion]

normal attack range, to be true

[glass monolith]

Adds realism:
"Can i attack it?"
"No"
"Then i don't give a F- what is over there"

[scarlet mortar]

mood

[void hare]

can someone help with 5-3, the original stage in this tutorial video 4 years ago didn’t have fast mobs rushing the right side

[scarlet mortar]

huh they definitely do

just looking at the enemy count

[foggy grove]

there is no change in that stage

[vernal lion]

hmm Rosa didn't lose her skill due to Degen disarm

[spark sinew]

what does mountain do

[scarlet mortar]

she prevents normal attacks

[spark sinew]

and why are you borrowing irene

[scarlet mortar]

anything that isn't an auto works

ifrit S3 still goes

[spark sinew]

she also drains sp

[scarlet mortar]

yh

[vernal lion]

ok so that means Rosa MAY lose vision in RA

there's still many tests to do tho

Fartooth s3

[scarlet mortar]

fartooth S3 has defined range actually

it works in RA

[vernal lion]

yea

I just test her vision

[spark sinew]

it also is bigger than 12 tiles

i think i remember someone testing it

[scarlet mortar]

it's specifically not a global range skill bc it just checks where the map borders are

[vernal lion]

btw, Jieyun s2, it clearly said stop attacking

[scarlet mortar]

and then goes to the end of it

[vernal lion]

gg s3 is also stop attacking

[scarlet mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob-A9Kc4SBc

[vernal lion]

oh yea, test with Skalter seaborn too, I forgot because I never used her to farm lol

[scarlet mortar]

doro's mines work

ofc skalter's seaborn would

[vernal lion]

Suzu s3 is also stop attacking

[balmy jolt]

What is the 'Increased Dodge Chance' Andoain gives on FD-8 CM?

[vernal lion]

75%

[limpid siren]

Fun little prank

[turbid badge]

[latent anvil]

[scarlet mortar]

should've made it 100% tbh

don't keep em hoping

[old arch]

Wait question.

Is FD-8 CM basically the same thing as FD-8?

[surreal lily]

Yes

[old arch]

Oh. So it's a really easy CM.

[spark sinew]

if you play is smart yes

[surreal lily]

Easier than FD7 cm

[old arch]

Okay first CM! Thanks guys. ^^

[spark sinew]

the only difference is that it's hard to pop phase 1 in the aura

[old arch]

Yep!

[surreal lily]

Just tried JT8-3 for the first time 🤯

This is probably going to take a few days to figure out lol

[tidal sedge]

Welcome to hell.

[tidal sedge]

Nightingale helps a lot

Meanwhile im stuck on FD-S-1 and FD-7

[flint falcon]

fd-s-1 felt easier than s2

fd7 cm is.... uh

something

[surreal lily]

Noted, FD 7 CM, I pathed right to top blue box and then bottom blue box without trigger the sleeping mobs

[lapis hornet]

what's cm?

[surreal lily]

Challenge Mode

[lapis hornet]

oh I see I see

[tidal sedge]

Basicaly same stage with higher stats on enemies and an extra condition

[glass monolith]

Extra stats are about +10% HP/ATK/DEF on old stages and +20% on newest stages, but it can be different between stages because Hypergryph set them, deal with it

[tidal sedge]

Starting at CH 10 we have Adverse, which u spend double sanity for more rewards

But its basically CM without having to do the stage normally.

[glass monolith]

Texas Alter event had funny CM with "Enemy has increased range" condition. And there was attack speed buff for enemies among hidden stats. Which is probably only time i seen attack speed in CM when it is not condition

[quick pecan]

mistakes were made

[spark sinew]

you're winning don't you

[quick pecan]

yeah greyy too pog

[spark sinew]

you could also deploy three bodies

[quick pecan]

yeah i didn’t think i was going to lose the stage i just didn’t kill the trees earlier so they came at the end

triple sniper more fun than three melee smh

[tidal sedge]

ELY GAMING!1!1!!1!1!1!!!!1

w

uses ely

[glass monolith]

I used Ely to make Kroos alter gun Dolly dead

[tidal sedge]

W

[tawny solar]

After 3 hours

Adverse cleared

😭

This shit is crazy tho

The enemy that dashes through ur ops is hard

[glass monolith]

Laugh in H12

[vivid rain]

H12 is pretty easy ||until you get to H12-4 which is actually fucking bullshit||

[cunning river]

I need help with 7 CM

[flint falcon]

fd 7 ay?

funny layout

[cunning river]

The event one

[flint falcon]

FD-7

[cunning river]

One guy just goes into the lower gate super early on

And I have no way to stop him

[flint falcon]

y'd have to path the light so u dont wake them up be4 u have the ops/tile for it

[cunning river]

It's the one that moves on its own

[flint falcon]

it shouldn't do that, the first couple moving enemies all go to top right

[cunning river]

I'd love to figure this out on my own, but the challenge penalty fucking sucks, so it is what it is

[flint falcon]

thats not early ur sitting at 68 dp

[tidal sedge]

Santalla s2 is pretty crazy when it's range is shaved.

[turbid badge]

oh forgot

u could freeze him

[flint falcon]

could try put range ops like this to path light onto bottom lane

[cunning river]

But that's going to wake up those units

[flint falcon]

have them face ur bluebox

[tidal sedge]

This map definitely makes me think they're aware of the range shaving tech

[foggy grove]

You can put ground ops facing bottom blue box to light it up

And drop mud or something in front of the blue box

[cunning river]

Range shaving?

[spark sinew]

deploy her at the edge of maps

[cunning river]

No but what the hell is that?

[spark sinew]

facing those edges

[tidal sedge]

Facing Santalla towards a map edge to prevent the s2 range expansion

[flint falcon]

no need to worry about thay if ur not using santalla
or fia

[spark sinew]

oh so it only prevents expansion?

she's still 3x3 at minimum?

[cunning river]

And I'm down to 6 tickets

[turbid badge]

i do range shave tech with jieyun sometimes

[cunning river]

I know I sound like a parrot, but holy fuck the challenge system is ass

[turbid badge]

[tidal sedge]

I haven't tried shaving a whole row, but 3x3 makes for gapless freeze at sweet spot

[turbid badge]

yea

[latent anvil]

Point fia into wall still kinda sad

[turbid badge]

lol

[limpid siren]

💪

[tidal sedge]

Dang it

This is e1 55 sl7 Santalla too

I am honestly surprised she wiped the whole mob

[limpid siren]

The goat fr

[foggy grove]

Poor mlynar with his cursed taunt lol

[spark sinew]

eh just activate s3

archers are fairly squshy

although i think they don't die from reflect still

[limpid siren]

I think as long as both medic can reach mlynar, then you don’t need to worry about the archers so much and can deploy in largely whatever order you like

Idk what level your medics are

Quite a few ranged ops on that team though

Actually, not that many

[tidal sedge]

Hm, taunt

[limpid siren]

So ig it’s probably just underpowered medics that can’t help each other with healing duties

[tidal sedge]

I should try Lee for cm

[limpid siren]

CM is fun

[turbid badge]

i just killed with oebance

penance

[flint falcon]

wonky start

[cunning river]

It's not working out

[tidal sedge]

The pathing of the Rogue knights surprised me

I would've thought each set goes to the same box

[flint falcon]

do they have pathing? i feel like they just go to whatever's closest

havent played NL much

[cunning river]

Out of challenge tickets

I fucking hate this system

[flint falcon]

have u tried looking at guides?

cm thing is annoying yeah, least they put out adverse system instead in main stage

[foggy grove]

you are so close
see that blue box,drop gravel or something

[vivid rain]

making a pathway to spawncamp those sniper with ranged ops is another way to do it

[foggy grove]

it'll light up the other blue box

[cunning river]

Yeah I have no idea

40 stamina to the trash so far

[neon dragon]

How do I beat the point of no return with this squad here I also have hibi alter

Is

[tidal sedge]

Did it

[neon dragon]

Last timw I tried I failed horribly

[weak gazelle]

how big santalla each ice drop range?

[tidal sedge]

1.5 tile radius

[weak gazelle]

i see
no wonder its a good skill

[tidal sedge]

Heat map when it's range isn't shaved

[weak gazelle]

only need to work around that 15/40 cycle

[cunning river]

50 STAMINA WASTED LET'S GOOOOOOOO

(this game is trash holy shit)

[limpid siren]

Take a break homie

There’s plenty of time left in the event

[weak gazelle]

oh yeah
didnt count how many ice drop during skill?
it is 15? (assuming atk interval is 1 sec)

[limpid siren]

7 cm is tough, bashing your head on the wall is a bad idea

[cunning river]

My issue isn't bashing my head, is that the game punishes me for makingmistakes and it's bullshit

[limpid siren]

Yes and you’re gonna make more mistakes while agitated like this

Take it easy and come back with a fresh mindset

[tidal sedge]

Her interval during s2 is 0.5 seconds. So it should be 30 icicles total

[weak gazelle]

i see
thanks
have to wait until i have her built ready

[cunning river]

Did it

That would've been fun if the whole challenge system was awful bla bla bla

[tidal sedge]

Hmm.

This is...a placement...

[foggy grove]

you'll love it

[flint falcon]

one of the placements of all time

[foggy grove]

also you can do janky borrow like lee to override mlynar taunt

[peak cloak]

idk who cooked that cm, but she/he's a genius.

[tidal sedge]

Lmao

[peak cloak]

but it only took me 3 tries still an easy cm for me. need frd ops to make it works

[weak gazelle]

bet
by do silly thing to count
typhon s2 vs s3 in my support
which will win?

[foggy grove]

depends if you have pleb friends

since omg typhon s3 one cycle both pat phase

[weak gazelle]

lmao
will see
sadly i can't login rn

[tidal sedge]

...

Well...this is unfortunate

[weak gazelle]

maybe this placement would help

[limpid siren]

territory knights above the line go top, below go bottom

[weak gazelle]

flag or ely on top lane face up following pioneer+guardian as first 3 step

[limpid siren]

you have until the first nightzmora gets close to the bottom blue box before they all move by themselves, they sleep for 160s

so just shy of 3 minutes to have a solution prepared

[tidal sedge]

...then why have ONLY ONE LIGHT THINGY

[limpid siren]

for fun

[tidal sedge]

...

[foggy grove]

that's the challenge

[peak cloak]

it's cm

[weak gazelle]

yeah thats the fun

[remote perch]

What's the fun if it's too easy

[tidal sedge]

Or HG are sadistic bastards.../jk

[foggy grove]

figuring out your opening

[limpid siren]

most common solution i've seen is to daisy chain towards the blue boxes before they wake up

[remote perch]

Hardly sadistic

If they're sadistic then they should've added civilians

[weak gazelle]

mastering chain light your tiles is the lesson from this map

[tidal sedge]

Valid

[weak gazelle]

maybe i should use bena instead of croissant as archer bait

[foggy grove]

dollkeeper op,they reset their own debuff

[remote perch]

Oni OP, they let the archers kill theirselves

[weak gazelle]

i forgot about that honestly

[tidal sedge]

I want to cry...

[remote perch]

Wow

[tidal sedge]

Dude gave 0 shits

[limpid siren]

if you block on 1. that grabs all the enemies that will go top right blue box, letting you develop bottom right first

[peak cloak]

well, fix it by placing blaze face down then texas alter lit the dark area near blue box.

[limpid siren]

the trick is to avoid waking up that third knight early

[tidal sedge]

What?

[limpid siren]

needs some clever timing with dp management though, cause when you do wake up the third knight you need to be ready to block it

[foggy grove]

they are basically saying the same thing

[limpid siren]

needs to be before this guy gets too close too

[foggy grove]

plop blaze on the x spot where igneus marked

facing down

then slowly chain towards the other blue box

either with cheaps melee or range chain

[tidal sedge]

So Texas vg is good where she is?

[limpid siren]

that's where i had zima, but i faced her up to avoid waking the knight too early

[flint falcon]

if a ch12 flying seed attacks penance does that count as her killing them?

[wicked viper]

no

penance must deal the last hit

[flint falcon]

can lee dodge them

[sly drift]

Can't get over how annoying this stage is. They give no crest and you have to make your way through that sleeping knights

[mossy ore]

its pretty cool stage 👍

[somber stone]

I just made a line of ops facing up

[sly drift]

It pissed me so bad I went "fuck you" mode

[tidal sedge]

This was...fun...

[somber stone]

That’s a lot of medics

[limpid siren]

💪

[tidal sedge]

Ye

Was mostly to keep Mlynar alive as long as possible...until he got got so i dropped borrowed penance to tank shots

[tidal sedge]

3 meds are a lot?

[sly drift]

You bring sexas. Actually just spawn kill all of them. Those archers deserve it

[tidal sedge]

Lol

[tidal sedge]

When a stage is so annoying you nuke it from orbit

[sly drift]

I usually went easy on my squad for most of the stage. Using niche or *5 for fun but some mechanic like this stage really pissed me off.

And yea it's satisfying to just murder them on the spot lmao

The thing is that the stage isn't really hard. Just very very annoying

[limpid siren]

it's mostly a knowledge check

the snipers can be problematic if your ground units are weaker

[sly drift]

What fk me was I keep missplacing my ops. The knights wake up too early.

[limpid siren]

[sly drift]

But if I don't set up my ops earlier. The shadow guy and archer will beat me lategame

So yea. The stage is about "You must set up your squad as fast as possible but if you missplace things. You are done"

Very annoying

[foggy grove]

they actually gives you a lot of times

it's more like a puzzle things figuring out your way to chain light

[jovial nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648597785444220941/1212926458755026974/1709182103937_1.jpg?ex=65f39cca&is=65e127ca&hm=92eda5ebebb5d3481a84cd29c1878346bbc50f5d7cbeba2c9510e53131f18967&

[limpid siren]

160s

[jovial nest]

the stage still requires you to at least stabilize the flow of enemies coming from top and bot before you bother solving the sleepers at the back

[sly drift]

Idk how long exactly they will wake up. I just assume I don't really have time because they line up like that lol

[jovial nest]

no need to rush the back

[void terrace]

Damn in surprised how badly Typhon performs against mandroga

I thought she would wreck her. Instead her DMG felt really mid even full focus on her

[limpid siren]

you stripped her rock armour right?

[gray stone]

tbf even if you pit Mlynar against her rock shield he wouldn't do much

[scarlet mortar]

DR moment

[lapis hornet]

typhon feels like worse thorns to me rn lmao

but not max trust no modules, first impressions like that always makes units look worse

[limpid siren]

that's why you play 5* only

every new unit sucks anyway

so you're always right

[sullen rover]

i see

[lapis hornet]

400iq

[waxen swan]

Why can't they just make good 5* smh

[limpid siren]

then y'all would need to learn a new joke

[lapis hornet]

also typhon s2 masteries are gg s2 bad

ig it's her main skill so no one balks at m3ing it anyway

[waxen swan]

I dont need to learn new joke i can always say ebon ball

[sly pivot]

preach brother

[halcyon adder]

? Why

[vernal lion]

[karmic glade]

[steep coral]

help

i hate the boss the boss in mode second form

she make my operator cant using skill or attack

[tropic valve]

so true

5* knights is where the fun brain plays happen

[quick pecan]

i heard 5* are bad

[cosmic thicket]

5* bad 4* better

[steep coral]

what 4??

😵‍💫

[scarlet mortar]

4* bad 6* better

[cosmic thicket]

🐴

[quick pecan]

woah that’s crazy

more star = good

[scarlet mortar]

very hot take ik

[steep coral]

explain me

[scarlet mortar]

(i am making what is commonly known as a running joke via sarcasm)

[void terrace]

I mean it feels like net net he was doing more thoM

Maybe it was the true DMG chip

[steep coral]

this sucks ashy marsh

dont tell me,,,, i will must e2 all operator lvl 90

[full finch]

what's the issue

eblana?

are you borrowing or autoing

[steep coral]

borrow still failed

autoin still failed

[full finch]

if the boss is the issue borrow eyja alter

and make sure the 2 units she hits with skill aren't adjacent, and that your tank isn't in burning reeds

[steep coral]

what if my eyjafjalla alter got disable

by boss

[full finch]

alternatively, just delete eblana immediately on phase 2

[full finch]

[steep coral]

really useless

[full finch]

deploy her earlier

[quick pecan]

it should be doable

[steep coral]

then a lot enemy how

silverash mine too long take his skill S3

using pozemka? crossbow?

[full finch]

oh yeah, I should make a couple more attempts at ashy marsh 4op

[vivid rain]

Just killing the boss early with yalter/sexas is also a good strat

[steep coral]

i dont have them

i borrow mlynar

[full finch]

eblana is pretty squishy

[steep coral]

for next skill for silverash

[full finch]

if your medic is good enough, gavial alter S3 dumpsters most of this anni

[steep coral]

hibicules 5 star i have

[vivid rain]

Hibicus 5 star isnt good for this anni

[steep coral]

seems i need reroll acc

i missing all goods

operators

[vivid rain]

She deals art damage to heal and everyone here have shit ton of res

[steep coral]

she disable operator bro

[full finch]

fix your deploy order then

you can easily determine which units get disabled

[vivid rain]

She disable latest deployed op smh

[steep coral]

her target my dps

not a tanker

[full finch]

literally this

please read

[vivid rain]

Cant disable medic if they get deploy first

[quick pecan]

maybe because you’re deploying your dps last

the open to this anni is nowhere near hard hitting enough for you to deploy defenders first

deploy them last

[steep coral]

you mean need bait?

[vivid rain]

Bait? Your tanks are the bait

[quick pecan]

i deployed tequila and hung last

they were the ones targeted

deploy the ones you want to get hit by eblana at the end

[steep coral]

surrender da

[foggy grove]

🥱

[steep coral]

issue operator limit

old operator

[vivid rain]

Literally just vg > ranged dps > medic > ground dps > tank

[foggy grove]

issue is you are refusing to learn

[quick pecan]

huh

[steep coral]

also who is eblana

[full finch]

the boss

[steep coral]

[quick pecan]

i used 9 operators total and was able to do this

there is legit a 10 operator deployed limit

[vivid rain]

Old operator my ass this stage is clearable with 4 star e1 max

[foggy grove]

it always been this way
people will told you several ways to do it and you always "surrender da"

[steep coral]

i cant pass i think

[quick pecan]

what does that even mean

[foggy grove]

do you understand what they are trying to say?

[karmic glade]

do you know deployment order is a thing?

[quick pecan]

nopege

[steep coral]

no

im on headche now

😵‍💫

[vivid rain]

Smh tutorial skipper

Never learn

[steep coral]

i dont have chen or surtr even amiya guard

[full finch]

none of those are good here

[vivid rain]

You dont need any of them

They sucks here actually

[quick pecan]

can’t tell if we are being trolled

[steep coral]

but i have skadi to kill their boss second form

my operator still e1

[vivid rain]

How about you use skadi to kill both forms

[steep coral]

only 6 operator has been e2

[vivid rain]

6 is more than enough

[steep coral]

4 operator six star e2

1 operator 5 star e2

1 operator 4 star e2

[vivid rain]

This stage can be cleared with 4 ops only

[quick pecan]

pretty sure mlynar alone does more damage than my tequila fire whistle greyy alt and lappland combined

[steep coral]

i know

i using silverash too

because

my tanker will die

cant handdle hold bunch enemy

[vivid rain]

This anni is easier than lungmen downtown

[steep coral]

let me try with skadi

[quick pecan]

idk about lungmen downtown

[full finch]

ashy marsh is very difficult

certainly harder than downtown

[steep coral]

honey berry skill s1 or s2

which one better?

[vivid rain]

S1 tbh

[crystal cargo]

something something skill 1 works for ashy marsh

[vivid rain]

Dont need s2

[full finch]

honeyberry S2 is terrible

S1 is pretty good

[steep coral]

should i bring excusiai?

[full finch]

post a screenshot of your team

[steep coral]

i dont have nighgale but i replace with ptlipsi

[full finch]

???

just post your squad

[quick pecan]

e2 on saria and ifrit would probably help

[full finch]

I would borrow a gavial alter S3 and pair her with hoshi or saria and 2 medics to handle the right side
then you can use the rest of your units to deal with the easier left side

if you want, I can lend you my gavial

actually, I'm not sure if that'll work

[tropic valve]

by the way you should E2 Schwarz

[full finch]

gavial needs help near the end because she can't kill the beefy red spawns by herself

[quick pecan]

how high is their res

do u think he can cope eyja / ifrit killing

[full finch]

maybe E2 ifrit

they have 70 RES

[quick pecan]

[full finch]

refraction moment

[quick pecan]

is it the dublin ones

[full finch]

yeah

[quick pecan]

lappland silences it

that’s why i brought her lol

[peak cloak]

cirno with Schwarz propaganda again

[full finch]

well

[peak cloak]

[steep coral]

issue money

and material

[full finch]

the main issue is the firelight enemies

and they don't have refraction

[quick pecan]

truege

[full finch]

but they spawn the hitcount shits

which is the bane of all of my 4op attempts so far

[steep coral]

so tell me

what i should bring

[vivid rain]

Honestly the only actual threats are cannon guys and fire elemental damage

[foggy grove]

ifrit dot is good for hitcount cringe

[steep coral]

moment

poor

[vivid rain]

Rich af

[quick pecan]

greyy alt and fire whistle hit count mvp 💪

[full finch]

you might honestly just put off ashy marsh for a couple weeks

it's an unusally difficult annihilation

[quick pecan]

it’s pretty hard

[steep coral]

should i get typhon?

[quick pecan]

i malded but didn’t want to use wandering medic

[full finch]

she's good for newer players

[steep coral]

my typhon is red

[quick pecan]

typhon would be shit for this anni if you’re asking about clearing this specifically

[full finch]

any thoughts for chongyueless 4op

[quick pecan]

these enemies are probably the highlight of how slow she takes to hit

[steep coral]

she have endless range

in S3 her

[full finch]

lemme try gav/saria/ptilo/saileach
gav/saria/ptilo has my best record so far at 368

[quick pecan]

💀

[foggy grove]

imagine typhon s3 on this anni

[steep coral]

im poor because

[foggy grove]

🤨

[quick pecan]

dies of cringe

[steep coral]

this

[full finch]

you can't afford any pulls

besides, don't just randomly pull

[steep coral]

i dont

i did saving

from i back pension

in yt must pull

everyboss can be kill by her

without worry

[quick pecan]

i’m gonna just pretend i know what any of that means

@foggy grove what is our new doc cope

[foggy grove]

[steep coral]

help

[full finch]

and now we wait

[quick pecan]

he cannot die of mid he’s too hot

[full finch]

we shall see how much difference saileach buff makes

[quick pecan]

damn you didn’t even put ptilo on the burning reed immune tile

[full finch]

it's fine

uh

probably

[steep coral]

should i spent my resource for someone?

[crystal cargo]

uhh wheres ur other ops

[full finch]

I'm doing 4op attempts

[latent monolith]

The burning reed there gets extinguished

And she gets camo

Prob safer tbh

[quick pecan]

not when eblana goes arsonist smh

[full finch]

she'll get ignited by ever exploding caster lol

and eblana too

well, as long as eblana dies, gav + saria might be able to finish it tbh

gav + saria is fucking insane

[quick pecan]

my gav + saria is specter + nearl

if i’m feeling spicy broca + nearl

[latent monolith]

My gav saria is exalt

Just him

[quick pecan]

truege

[latent monolith]

(I do have both gav and saria raised tho)

[full finch]

pretty sure there aren't any chongyueless 4ops on arkrec

he basically hard carries the map

[quick pecan]

it’s true he’s cracked

source: my p6 chong

[latent monolith]

I mean vigil ling