You could also get a decent approximation after 1 pixel gets depleted
#strategy
gleaming lodge
crisp bolt
since I haven't done this anni yet as well
rat gaming
literally takes 0 damage
except for those ranged dudes that spawn at the end 
glass monolith
Rainchan or something claimed it was turned into 25 hours somewhere after POO
merry narwhal
But how do we measure the clear speed of POO runs if not in Skalter s2 activations
crisp bolt
to be fair I thought they already increased skalter activation after CN dealt with pinchout
latent monolith
But how do we measure the clear speed of POO runs if not in Skalter s2 activatio...
We can measure it in shining S3 skill cycles
Or hoederer for that matter
cinder pike
We can measure it in shining S3 skill cycles
But that is not really an automatic skill, so it will only give a lower bounds on time taken
We can count with exu timings
latent monolith
We port IS3 ligma to poo
half flint
You could also get a decent approximation after 1 pixel gets depleted
who can even notice a depletion of ONE pixel
latent monolith
All skills are now auto activation
latent anvil
just zoom in 
gleaming lodge
who can even notice a depletion of ONE pixel
Where you're staring at the orange bar it's pretty easy to see
Same thing with measuring enemies' HP loss during a stall
If there are losing a pixel every attack, you won't stall for long
half flint
iirc I only check every like 5 mins
merry narwhal
PPS is the new DPS
half flint
and even after 5 mins it barely loses any health
gleaming lodge
In Cinder that's how I was doing
I'm not talking about the POO kind of stall
But something a bit more dynamic, where it's not simply the final setup you go to bed on
sly pivot
In Cinder that's how I was doing
okay old man lets get you back to bed
gleaming lodge
(check the splendid r30 defknights Cinder by Banana)
gleaming lodge
okay old man lets get you back to bed
Cinder is still the best CC ever
sly pivot
when did we grow so jaded...
gleaming lodge
idk mate
But it hurts
glass monolith
2 years ago was CC6, we had shit squad UI, we couldn't read talent mid combat, and barely anyone had module 
cinder pike
Which cc was cinder?
crisp bolt
I started with cc11 
sly pivot
cc3
crisp bolt
I skipped all other ccs before then
sly pivot
the sarkaz clappers
cinder pike
I started at 3 with Mudrock gaming
sly pivot
and shi
cinder pike
Damm I am old
crisp bolt
that's what a 3 year break does to a person
gleaming lodge
2 years ago was CC6, we had shit squad UI, we couldn't read talent mid combat, a...
Pretty sure modules weren't out during CC6
latent monolith
CC8 was my first CC (that I never actually cleared because the gimmick just killed me)
gleaming lodge
Starting on CC#8 is not funny 
glass monolith
Not sure for CN, but they were on Yostar time flow, as modules were around time DH happened which is when i joined so for me "modules were always a thing"
gleaming lodge
Sleep stall 
glass monolith
Imagine starting in CC#7 
crisp bolt
man that would just kill me
gleaming lodge
CC#7 is ez clap
Once you understand the mechanics
gleaming lodge
(I never did)
sly pivot
pass and mag mods?
crisp bolt
I started on the easiest cc in the game
glass monolith
Exactly. Thats' why i used guide to even do stage on R0
gleaming lodge
CC#8 is not the easiest ??
tidal sedge
DH was summoner and instructor modules
cinder pike
Which one, cc4?
cosmic thicket
CC8 was my first CC (that I never actually cleared because the gimmick just kill...
same (i used a kyo guide)
latent monolith
same (i used a kyo guide)
I didn't have levels for kyo guide even by the end of the event
sly pivot
iirc
cosmic thicket
unfortunate
latent monolith
If I rushed my ling module I might have managed a ling clear though
But I wasn't as serious back then
lapis hornet
pinchout is my first cc thank god for kyo 
gleaming lodge
If you speedrun correctly you can have an E2 by the end of a CC season, assuming you created your account on the day CC starts
gleaming lodge
pinchout is my first cc thank god for kyo <:WarSmug:663458232429314101>
wtf cake trolling 
?!
sly pivot
i think for low end cc8 was p harsh
cosmic thicket
always has been
sly pivot
just think back on what ccs 3* cant r18 🫡
cosmic thicket
low end cc8 made me mald but idk if it was super hard, or if i sucked, or both
latent monolith
I think low end CC8 is just hard
merry narwhal
Does cc1 add a new welfare cc op?
cinder pike
Was cc4 even done with 3*
gleaming lodge
low end cc8 made me mald but idk if it was super hard, or if i sucked, or both
According to your pfp's IQ, the problem is more about you
half flint
oh my bad, wrong channel
cosmic thicket
damn
cinder pike
Feels like Mudrock was pretty unstallable
gleaming lodge
Was cc4 even done with 3*
Not sure
But it was really low end
Podenco E2 + Eyja borrow + 3* could r18 with like 7ops
gleaming lodge
Feels like Mudrock was pretty unstallable
Mudrock is not meant to be stalled
Even in normal maps
cosmic thicket
holy crap why is arkrec taking 10 years to load
gleaming lodge
She gets to 3.6k ATK every 4.5s (3s with shield)
cosmic thicket
that makes sense
gleaming lodge
Don't you get like 10 tokens for r17 and r18 ?
cinder pike
Was that the 2 Knights one?
cinder pike
I remember ash getting some pretty good use there
sly pivot
rosmontis was goated...
she can onecycle the debuff knight
if u weedy cannon it so it interupts the attacks
🙏
yall have it too easy
gleaming lodge
Blem was on crab duty for me
Just gonna self-promote real quick
Because that's a WR moment for defknights
sly pivot
hung is the goattt
lapis hornet
man cc5 was the one map where I malded search cycle
I've hated weedy ever since smh
scarlet fulcrum
Most goated cc i think, no mercy on max. Welp im just max reward enjoyer
sour talon
I have done a tactical waste of time 
glass monolith
I have done a tactical waste of time <:Fiaded:1135230425309122570>
And i done tacticless waste of time
sour talon
And i done tacticless waste of time <:HellaKek:735650408340521020>
Damn, an actual use for puzzle stainless combo??????
glass monolith
stage ended by time it paid off but i couldn't just skip it
lapis hornet
dem lin usage
lapis hornet
I have done a tactical waste of time <:Fiaded:1135230425309122570>
is this 420?
lapis hornet
ah
crisp bolt
get rekt by taunt 
lapis hornet
I swear half the times I wanna use him he's actually bad fffsss
scarlet fulcrum
I used stall strat, so no mlynar 
, yeah taunt be like. ppl camp with him ig
crisp bolt
when silencealter could've been useful
lapis hornet
I gave up and tried a different strat with ntr and ash lol
actually got it second try
also first time in a while I've used chalter
lapis hornet
I did 600 day 1 or 2 idr wasn't too difficult bit of a stat check tho
crisp bolt
I need surtr
scarlet fulcrum
Actually i can insert Angelina for arts flex since its stall, but i forgor and used ceobe
lapis hornet
oh yeah I tried ceobe but it didn't work well for me
maybe should have tried longer I see strats with her
mainly did top with chalter eyja suzu
scarlet fulcrum
Burst strat pog
lapis hornet
my hoshi wasn't tanking well tho not sure if I needed mod x or y idk
so yeah I tried burst instead lul
lapis hornet
whatever
I hear jessica gonna be a better brick either way
not too fussed
getting good use out of hoshi lately
by lately I mean past year lol
scarlet fulcrum
Jessica godsend for defenderknights obviously, not gamechanger in general tho
cinder pike
Did her direction change even affect anything?
crisp bolt
it's nice for a few maps
crisp bolt
she's good in is4 I've heard
scarlet fulcrum
The token has taunt iirc, it often used as helidrop bomb too. Direction change come in handy for certain situation ig
lost summit
Just managed to clear WDEX8 without a guide!
Any tips for chally mode? xD
cinder pike
Golden Glow s3 works very well on this stage
Fart affects enemies after boss is dead.
lost summit
Wait the black stuff hits enemies too?
cinder pike
Yup
lost summit
Honestly my biggest problem was the drone
And thorns wasn't killing it and kept dying to the strikers
So I had to change my comp a bit
After that it was pretty simple
cinder pike
If you split box the boss, you can keep your defender away from getting farted on if you are using people like surtr
cinder pike
Texas alter and yato alter should trivialize this stage
lost summit
Texas is really good but doesn't do much to the boss
She kinda gets 1 tapped unfortunately
cinder pike
Well she's great against the strikers due to her mini stun
lost summit
My yato isn't leveled yet unfortunately
lost summit
Well she's great against the strikers due to her mini stun
For sure
My first few runs I did on S2 to see if she did anything to the boss
She was bad xD
You have any suggestions to comp besides yato? Can't put her in yet
charred condor
Hello, what should three stars operator should I use? Or should I not use?
glass monolith
Early game it is okay, they are cheap, don't need chip stage to get promotions, Kroos do high damage, defenders block, Steward unlock skill to focus highest DEF in range which can be helpful at times.
gleaming lodge
Essentially they are all fine
But if you have a higher rarity operator of the same archetype, use the higher ratity
glass monolith
And that's how people start using Jessica
frozen cedar
You have any suggestions to comp besides yato? Can't put her in yet
Looks ok. You need to manage gas can saria tank phase 2 with those medics?
How much assistance do you want, i made a new account and managed CM with a team. Yato and texas combo do most of the work
gleaming lodge
And that's how people start using Jessica <:HellaKek:735650408340521020>
Ok fair
Kroos and Spot are far better than Jessica and Gummy
lost summit
How much assistance do you want, i made a new account and managed CM with a tea...
Yeah it'd be great to have yato, might just wait till I have her built, I just need the lmd
Saria is pretty tanky, and kaltsit helps too, they're healing off each other in my positioning
frozen cedar
Yeah it'd be great to have yato, might just wait till I have her built, I just n...
I would borrow a yato, her s3 is 'not on the map' so if you trigger the gas with yato s3 it will target the last deployed operator not in the gas, and not yato, allowing you to move the gas where you want it
enemies in gas get an ASPD debuff after the emporer dies
so you can park mountain just outside of the gas and he can have enough ASPD debuff to survive the red sentinel things and manage to kill it for example, I think
lost summit
Oh I forgot about borrowing
frozen cedar
you have poze, her typewriter...is probably also 'not on the map'
I haven't tested poze typewriter vs emporer blade, I had Yato and borrowed texas
lost summit
brother how are you losing when you're 6 star carried
Huh?
ocean herald
bro you're losing to an easy stage and you're 6 star carried
lost summit
I mean WD EX 8 is hard you know
ocean herald
you're making excuses
frozen cedar
you put a defender here, you put two medics on her, you hold the boss and trigger his gas in good places, you kill him and then deal with the final wave
lost summit
What's your problem? Are you mad that I've pulled better characters than you? Like I see no need for this
I was just asking for tips
ocean herald
no 💀
frozen cedar
What's your problem? Are you mad that I've pulled better characters than you? Li...
he's sort of wondering why an account thats old enough to have chen alter is having an issue with it, I think
ocean herald
he's sort of wondering why an account thats old enough to have chen alter is hav...
!?
frozen cedar
he's not doing well in social interaction, though
ocean herald
what r you talking about
frozen cedar
what is your goal? here
lost summit
use mlynar
I already have Mlynar. I use him to burst first phase.
frozen cedar
You have any suggestions to comp besides yato? Can't put her in yet
what are our E2 options?
lost summit
I could probably do it if I tried a few more times but I was asking for basic tips for my comp and placement before that so it would be a bit easier
frozen cedar
I already have Mlynar. I use him to burst first phase.
sounds like a tactics issue, you should be controlling the gas, theres no need to burst first phase it does no damage
lost summit
sounds like a tactics issue, you should be controlling the gas, theres no need t...
Gimme a moment
lost summit
sounds like a tactics issue, you should be controlling the gas, theres no need t...
It gets it out of the way though generally. Should I wait for him to circle the whole way?
frozen cedar
It gets it out of the way though generally. Should I wait for him to circle the ...
you should sit on him with a defender and medic
and kill everything else while you plan out the gas
pretty sure poze, texas and yato can deal with phase 2
if you had an e2 hoshiguma you could easily sit out phase 2
because hoshi and 2 medics can easily out survive him
lost summit
It's slightly out of date
Skalter is leveled, and mods for Saria and Texas
And rosmo
frozen cedar
you don't have any pioneers leveled?
lost summit
Saga? Bagpipe? Aren't they?
glass monolith
Saga is, he is on copium
frozen cedar
no, fang, courier, texas ....saga yes
frozen cedar
aside from kal, do you have medics leveled?
lost summit
I have a E1 70 ptilo and E1 80 Nightingale
and a reasonably leveled sussuro
E1 60 or stmh
frozen cedar
maybe this for a team
glass monolith
Context issue is WD EX 8 CM coping?
cosmic thicket
thorns??
glass monolith
(It is their only anti-artillery drone from what i seen above 
)
spark sinew
they have pozy on the ss above
lost summit
I ran chalter just for the drone Im gonna be real
She 4 shots it
Made it reaaaly easy
spark sinew
you can run chalter anyway cause it's chalter
but pozy should do fine with drones
glass monolith
Drone follow standard agro rules, just have it waste time on Saria, Nearl or whatever you have
frozen cedar
I ran chalter just for the drone Im gonna be real
cleared it with the team I posted. Yato s3 kills the drone in like 2 spins
frozen cedar
Drone follow standard agro rules, just have it waste time on Saria, Nearl or wha...
drone sits on the tile in the left for a long plenty of time for texas s3 or yato s3 to deal with it
glass monolith
YATO S3 ATTACKS AIR????/////
lost summit
Ty! will try
round orbit
YATO S3 ATTACKS AIR????/////
even weirder, so does rathalos s noir corne's s2
crisp bolt
YATO S3 ATTACKS AIR????/////
Always has
spark sinew
YATO S3 ATTACKS AIR????/////
you didn't know? 
glass monolith
Well i didn't use Yato outside deploying S2, get oneshot before it activates and move on to use other operator
royal rose
Jesus Christ
Whatever godforsaken bstrd thought POE was a good idea should be fired
Out of a goddamn canon
We should honestly crowdfund a Triad legbreaker for this person because 4 million HP is not reasonable in any reality
They should just have told the mega-dalaos “Yeah, making this game any harder would basically kill any opportunity to get new people interested in this game. If you want difficulty, go play Dark Souls with a banana. We’re gonna go make a Genshin clone and make a morbillion dollars. Peace”
royal rose
“Or hell, go try to wrestle a Jaguar into submission with your own bare hands if you want difficulty.”
royal rose
just leak them
I did, but their very existence is an insult to the player base
limpid siren
edgelord behaviour
spark sinew
you're only forced into million hp mechs if you picked the tag
the only time you need to pick it is to complete a challenge, but in it they're still fairly squishy, you can just kill them in like a couple minutes
glass monolith
Main issue is not that you can get shit hyper bloated on HP.
Issue is that it is "easier" to get shit hyper bloated on HP than take ATK risks and try to burst before bursted without some hyper advanced planing like that "Make all melee robots 1 hp, then wake them, then kill them"
frozen cedar
I did, but their very existence is an insult to the player base
Chapter 12 boss was the insult to the player base. Poo was just not playtested
cosmic thicket
lmao what
crisp bolt
ch12 boss wasn't that bad 
glass monolith
Now do it without mlular
spark sinew
very easily, just degen it 
glass monolith
IS3 auto activation curse is so funny shit. Please land it on my Archetto
crisp bolt
just SA it
or chalter spawncamp
I'll be honest
I barely used wandering medic in ch12
only time I remember using wandering was I think H12-4 just because of the range
rancid atlas
We should honestly crowdfund a Triad legbreaker for this person because 4 millio...
omg is that the legend gcomb from r99????
glass monolith
frozen cedar
chapter 12 is just wandering medic carry
The problem with chapter 12 boss was the many long invulnerability phases
cyan gorge
But they do very little damage for a chapter boss
crisp bolt
"little damage" 
spark sinew
"very little damage"
glass monolith
Size doesn't matter 
cyan gorge
Individually no, it’s only problematic when the clones gang up on you
deft badger
zenith is right, only thing that hurts are the 🎈
latent anvil
deft badger
if going without elemental healer
spark sinew
sometimes i winder if i have a different version or something
latent anvil
foggy grove
We have bootleg version fr
lean obsidian
Any thoughts about matoimaru helidrop?
Like deploy her and then use ability and then retreat
somber falcon
Weird af usage but not impossible ig
spark sinew
if you're using s2 she would probably die/almost die on her own anyway, so sure
that said, her cooldowns are not that big afaik? so using her as helidrop is not that good
somber falcon
that said, her cooldowns are not that big afaik? so using her as helidrop is not...
Ye 25/15 cycle on m3, pretty fast
She's fine against mobs tbf
lean obsidian
if you're using s2 she would probably die/almost die on her own anyway, so sure
Probably but what if with her module
Where she does not retreat when falling to 0
It's like horns talent but less HP and +30
Aspd
spark sinew
yeah but it doesn't do much
what i meant is that if you don't want to support her, redeploying is a good option - it would "restore" her hp to full and she won't die
but if you want her to hold her lane, ideally you actually proc her death, and then make her stay on the field
lean obsidian
So you're trying to say that she is more reliable on lane holding than helidrop?
spark sinew
you can use her in either role. Her short skill cooldowns (and s1 healing her hp) make her suitable for "laneholding" yeah
module doesn't lean into either direction much, since it helps both roles
lean obsidian
Oh
frozen cedar
Any thoughts about matoimaru helidrop?
why not just use utage?
lean obsidian
why not just use utage?
Good idea
spark sinew
oh it's not a waifu pick?
there are lots of options to choose from, depending on what exactly you need
something like moduled hellagur is a menace even against arts enemies for example
cosmic thicket
dazmati cluster autos don't do that much damage
it's the skills that are annoying but very much manageable with nightingale, and even without, still doable
deft badger
amm i am not getting dp?
solid dew
amm i am not getting dp?
one of the risks was no natural regen
and you choose other ones to start with 50 dp/100 dp etc
deft badger
i should start reading 😄
spark sinew
amm i am not getting dp?
did you read the tags before picking
solid dew
truely the EN experience
spark sinew
truly
deft badger
did you read the tags before picking
nope
spark sinew
not surprised
deft badger
why do u ask then 
balmy jolt
ok I need melee ops 4+5 stars who can dodge/reduce arts damage
Amiya, Asbestos
And idk any more, ideas?
spark sinew
mousse
balmy jolt
True but not really what I'm looking for since dorothy is invisible
somber falcon
Just don't buff her atk 
somber falcon
Iirc phys, yea
spark sinew
borrow mlynar, mop floor with the map, profit
spark sinew
foolhardy maybe
dark glade
balmy jolt
Foolhardy, illiterate
frozen cedar
You think I'm a fucking coward?!
Brave Brave, Brave Sir TBone.
When Danger reared its ugly Head, Sir Tbone turned his tail and fled
brave Brave Brave Sir TBone
balmy jolt
Kid I never fucking run
frozen cedar
lyrics say otherwise
balmy jolt
Well I'm considering it since I got 540
spark sinew
||you should say "No i didn't"||
balmy jolt
But I haven't quite given up on the dream yet
spark sinew
at least that's how the sketch goes
nimble sierra
Hi anyone found useful applications of silence alter s2? I'm deciding if I should mastery it for consistet AAK buffs on Squishies.
An alternate use would be on pennance, letting her hp drop below half before sheilding up to grant her permenant big %dmg reduction
deft badger
well she was useful to me
nimble sierra
Been playing around on pennance blemishine stainless and shamare combo and its surprisingly tanky, able to go toe to toe with the steamknight on h11-4 Thinking of swapping shamare with silence alter
nimble sierra
well she was useful to me
Ooh how so?
spark sinew
24% shelter is not that much, if we're talking about penance, that said i'm confused, are you talking about s3 silence, not s2?
does this not work on enmity? i never tried
deft badger
i used her s3 not s2
one case never will probably be again in need of her..
nimble sierra
Hmm true the math dosent really work out
spark sinew
An alternate use would be on pennance, letting her hp drop below half before she...
because s2 doesn't really help there?
i mean ig it does by reducing the rate of penance's hp falling but it seems too convoluted
nimble sierra
Yeah it does work on enormity I've tried it out. Only thought was using it on mumu clones
Idk if they count as Rhine lab operators
nimble sierra
i mean ig it does by reducing the rate of penance's hp falling but it seems too ...
Context is really just an appropriate healer for my enimity meme team.
I have been using ptilopsis to heal the non enimities but I just thought that silence would fit the team better
nimble sierra
But I don't think it would be worth the s2m3 investment
Oh the team revolves around aak or belmi stainless to replenish her shield at stupid rates
nimble sierra
I know it's a convoluted team but it's just funny to use pennance to tank bosses
spark sinew
as long as you're having fun
nimble sierra
Yeah tried skadi perfumer but it dosent really work out efficiency wise
somber falcon
What
nimble sierra
I'm curious is silence alter s2m3 prevents aak from one shooting golden glow
Alone
I've done the math and it's...not comforting
spark sinew
why wouldn't you use s3 for that
nimble sierra
Yes but her S2 cycle is shorter and matches aak golden glow cycle for spammability
I guess skadi S2 can tip the scales in their favour but then it becomes a bit too bulky team wise
spark sinew
which skadi, alter?
nimble sierra
Idea is basically super golden glow turret with global range and spammable
Yep alter
spark sinew
you 100% want to use skadi here yes
cut anything else for her, she buffs gg greatly
probably better than some convoluted 3 op combo, due to GGs low stats
nimble sierra
Hmm i mean
4 op
Skadi silence alter ask goldenglow
With ptilo somewhere else on the frontline tanks
Then the 4 of them just squat in the backline and Lazer beam everyone to death from across the map
Hmmm
Then texalter to helidrop and lower rez
Then abyssal team to split lanes and hold the line
Ok gonna try that out with S2lv7
Gonna be actually usable when aak gets his module and acts as a aa sniper
noble pewter
Then the 4 of them just squat in the backline and Lazer beam everyone to death f...
Yes 
crisp bolt
Aak gaming
nimble sierra
Yeah but
Shining has super long cooldown
Is silence can replace her
Hmmmmmmmmm
spark sinew
take a second look at the vid
nimble sierra
Oh shit wait that's shining S2!!!!
nimble sierra
whats this btw?
Each one gives a reward for beating them
deft badger
full run?
spark sinew
bear in mind gg dies horribly if shining would be distracted by something
nimble sierra
Another dumb question but ceobe mod 3 actually useful in POO. By stacking defence into stupid numbers does her damage actually scale properly?
nimble sierra
bear in mind gg dies horribly if shining would be distracted by something
Gotta be careful with that one hha
spark sinew
it's not particularly useful in POO since it doesn't accomplish anything at all, just saves a bit of time
but for general content it's a strong boost to ceobe's damage
nimble sierra
True true. I used the leak start myself just trying to justify ceobe upgrades so close to executor
somber falcon
whats this btw?
Have you ever done monthly op in is3?
spark sinew
it's a big upgrade for ceobe and solidifies her niche
but how often do you use casters?
so yeah...
spark sinew
tis the IS2 monthly
it's like IS3 monthly but IS2
same rules for rewards i believe
cyan gorge
Just reach floor 3 then quit for rewards 
somber falcon
still doesn't answer my question
deft badger
Just reach floor 3 then quit for rewards <:ReedBean:1151601576700559390>
ty
the question was what do i have to do, didn't wanna know if its the same like is3 since i did run it to the end there
anyway i did ask what are the conditions zenith gave me the answer ty
cyan gorge
Is3 monthly squads work the exact same way
somber falcon
spark sinew
also only going for rewards... i mean you do you i suppose
deft badger
u got it, don't care much about the story or what it says i did try to skip that thing for a long time
saw now there are rewards so i am going to take them
only thing i wanted is a do this answer didn't wanna be rude or anything
tropic valve
imagine not unlocking lore
spark sinew
my man missing out on the pizza lore
scarlet fulcrum
Yeah abc lore funny there
glass monolith
Is2 lore is funny
Kaltsit squad: Talk about immortality
ABC squad: Pineapple pizza
Ceobe: Ceobe trying to eat rusty mallet on sight
limpid siren
sarkaz: damn that's a big woman (they are unaware)
balmy jolt
I can't kill these 9000 adds on 600 pinch out
spark sinew
technically ayerscape
somber falcon
Reaper, splash caster, flinger
spark sinew
since i assume you're blocking those anyway
glass monolith
Kazemaru at moment of clone spawning from S2/Death
somber falcon
BN s2 and kafka
somber falcon
Ambusher
balmy jolt
Thank you all
limpid siren
4/5 star only
most 600 pt strats i've seen use teq/pluma
take shamare depending on your risk choice
you could also do the funny
enforcer with blacknight/liskarm
balmy jolt
You know I keep trying to make Blacknight work and I am just not smart enough
idk how people use pet units
limpid siren
the trick is to figure out how to feed liskarm first
then work out how to get blacknight next to liskarm
latent monolith
Enforcer BK lisk is cooking
limpid siren
on the pinch out perma, bot left you can open with flag and liskarm above them
balmy jolt
I'm surprised people can get enough dps using Teq/Pluma
limpid siren
then there's exactly one tile where blacknight can sit
limpid siren
I'm surprised people can get enough dps using Teq/Pluma
it's not that surprising when they're the best phys wave clear 5*s have
balmy jolt
Rly? They're both target capped
limpid siren
teq might be capped at 3, but he kills those three faster than basically every other 5*
balmy jolt
but she hits everyone?
limpid siren
yes
balmy jolt
Jesus translations
limpid siren
the trouble with pluma is that she's fragile
balmy jolt
thats very good to know ty
limpid siren
you have to be careful about who she blocks
there's a good reaper corner though
where she can use her range to great advantage
balmy jolt
yeah its a good map for reaper for sure
limpid siren
teq's other big benefit is that he's a fat 3 blocker when his skill is up
and if you have ptilopsis, they're both up for every meaningful wave
you can manage it even if you take the sp risk
hung is also a decent blocker to use
because his s2 charges so fast
balmy jolt
yea using the shit out of hung
limpid siren
3 enemies blocked and 1 - 3 rockets hitting him
balmy jolt
Don't have Teq sadly
limpid siren
if you have your support slot free you can borrow mine
balmy jolt
Nah don't want to do that, but appreciate the offer
spark sinew
we have a medal for borrowing support units 👍
balmy jolt
If I don't have my pride in a gacha game what do I have
limpid siren
you're already playing no 6* i'm guessing
balmy jolt
yeah
limpid siren
it's okay to use support lol
you should already be proud of playing with a weaker team
balmy jolt
We'll see I might come crawling to you tomorrow
tropic valve
yeah teq is pog
lost summit
I am in dire need of a better team for EX8 lonetrail. I managed to clear but only with a borrowed Volcano Eyja which was kinda cheating .
My main problem is just my guys dying too damn quick against the swordsmen
If kaltsit skill not up monster just can't hold them
spark sinew
use a shifter
you're playing hard mode without it
but also, how is using eyja "cheating"
lost summit
use a shifter
you're playing hard mode without it
but also, how is using eyja "c...
She wiped out the whole map in one skill, but I don't even have her so i can't autodeploy
It took me 2 damn hours for that one level I stg
spark sinew
why would you autodeploy on ex8
lost summit
Will it not eventually rerun for Intel certs
spark sinew
i think for intel you usually need to clear challenge mode ex8
at least for other events it was like that
spark sinew
and idt you can autodeploy challenge mode regardless
lost summit
Triple DP is insane
lost summit
Heh? Lin?
spark sinew
||Ling ||
lost summit
Fair enough
I did at least get immense satisfaction thru all my retries by one shooting the boss so many times
Turns out Surtr + Mlynar + Chalter does a lot of damage
spark sinew
Fair enough
that said if you don't need OP from the event
you can wait a year
when it reruns
so you would actually get first clear rewards
lost summit
I don't need it, was just finding stuff to play since I finished the story
lost summit
I'm sad I needed Eyja for this one though
I was able to beat Walk in the dust EX8 without one yestrrdau
Yesterday
limpid siren
Don’t stress too much about setting up autodeploys now, it’s going to be easier when the event reruns and you’re stronger anyway
lost summit
Fair enough. Would be so satisfying though. Did all of the ones thru Ex7 so it's just disappointing
spark sinew
you can do it without a support by refining the strat if you wanted
E: need to add a unit type that i mentioned above and to change the strat
lost summit
Yeah I'd have to do some changing around of stuff
lucid field
Any strategy way to clear this map using 4 star operator(or below?)
limpid siren
mousse's atk debuff is going to be the core
gravel is probably not that useful if you want to go for low op, but otherwise will still put in some work by baiting Burning Breath and/or face tanking crystal fire
the rest is likely the usual suspects for large squad 4* runs
sussurro/perfumer medics (probably want a third), gummy utility tank, cutter dps
you'll be redeploying a lot so jaye might actually not be good, and myrtle will probably be mandatory to help setup
jovial nest
4 stars or below. Gonna be quite the stall
if you want direct references to how, you can look for ILA or Silvergun's clears on it.
although ILA is 3* oriented
novel pivot
gleaming lodge
Imagine using Saria S2.
glass monolith
I just need to cluster constantly damaged operators together? Chapter 10
cinder pike
what units do you even have'
somber falcon
yeah i think im lacking suitable and also good units for the level
cutter s1 should be able to shred ss
jovial nest
Yep, hard mode Raythean it is
gleaming lodge
JuSan blogging
How unusual
glass monolith
Dark timeline where mods don't flashbang this chat every 1.5 hour
hard smelt
So on the build your own banner, who do I want on there?
deft badger
what do u master on lin?
foggy grove
S3
gleaming lodge
Imagine if a mod checks this channel regularly
How long has it been since a blue name showed up here actually ?
gleaming lodge
deft badger
hahahaha
the reason is the funny part
called someone a "little troll" went to far of topic i guess
gentle finch
👁️ 👁️
gleaming lodge
oh it's possible to be warned in ako? <:Bnuuy:926515462722973746>
You need to be on the problematic users list
Or share a certain file...
spark sinew
d word, some nsfw stuff, or something else?
gleaming lodge
Don't worry about it 
spark sinew
and he isn't
gleaming lodge
Well
That could be considered a sign of madness from me
Because huh... This chat is more #map-help than anything now...
frozen cedar
Imagine using Saria S2.
what would you recommend instead? Nearl s1? cuz thats saria s1, or her niche s3?
gleaming lodge
Because huh... This chat is more #map-help than anything now...
That's the point...
Saria S2 is only good in poison haze maps
Outside of that, it's a bait
frozen cedar
Sarai s1 is single target, s2 is AOE, and S3 is...uh, special
gleaming lodge
S3 is bigger AoE, more heal, slows enemies and increases arts dmg
It's bloody amazing
frozen cedar
its basically suzuran s3 with worse uptime
gleaming lodge
S2 has a big SP cost, wastes most of its heal in overheal and you shouldn't have more than 2 ops taking damage anyways
gleaming lodge
its basically suzuran s3 with worse uptime
True
But you can use both
Well, that's not really the meta anymore
So I guess it's natural Saria S3 isn't as impressive as it used to be
frozen cedar
S2 has a big SP cost, wastes most of its heal in overheal and you shouldn't have...
depends, you got the chapter 12 boss splashing everyone, everyone needs heals
spark sinew
saria s2 can also be used if enemy would kill you from >50% hp
spark sinew
and you can't use medics, whether because of no tiles or due to risk banning it
gleaming lodge
depends, you got the chapter 12 boss splashing everyone, everyone needs heals
Congrats !!
You found the third map of the entire game where Saria S2 is very strong over S1
spark sinew
always using her s2 is just flexing that your acc is way stronger than it should be for that particular map
gleaming lodge
saria s2 can also be used if enemy would kill you from >50% hp
If that happens, S2 HPS is certainly not enough to keep your ops alive 
frozen cedar
for the unit economy, saria s2 provides moderate healing over a wide range
spark sinew
no tiles for medics, but you were using 2 healing defenders
frozen cedar
possibly saving you the need for a medic
saria s1 saves a unit from death when a medic can't keep up
spark sinew
obviously for much higher risk you were using that feater + SA nuke, but for like r25-26 saria s2 + nearl s1 were better than both on s1 for example
the bursts of damage were also non constant, since they originated from slugs dying
gleaming lodge
Barrenlands ???
You used Saria S2 in barrenlands ?! Damn...
frozen cedar
was barrenlands CC-0?
gleaming lodge
saria s1 saves a unit from death when a medic can't keep up
Saria S1 is the medic
frozen cedar
S1 nearl s2 saria probably
gleaming lodge
Because you need to keep 1 target alive
Like everyone should
spark sinew
Barrenlands ???
You used Saria S2 in barrenlands ?! Damn...
trust me i tried s1
idr what i used in the end.
that said, yes, there was literally a problem of s1 saria allowing your units to get so low they got oneshotted by spiders
gleaming lodge
If it's for r18 it doesn't really count
3* beat it
spark sinew
obviously for much higher risk you were using that feater + SA nuke, but for lik...
maybe it was 24-25 actually
idt this was cutting for 26
frozen cedar
why are we talking about a CC that ran 2 years ago and won't rerun?
spark sinew
it's been a long while...
gleaming lodge
If you let the spiders explode on you, you have no understanding of the map
frozen cedar
the bulk of the game is farming the last 3 stages of an event over and over
spark sinew
saria s2 can also be used if enemy would kill you from >50% hp
it started with this
spark sinew
lemme reroll for that spider rng splitbox with gravel
frozen cedar
is CC0 the last CC that banned medics?
gleaming lodge
You can't, or shouldn't, tank that hit
cosmic thicket
iirc cc5 had medics cost up but not outright ban
gleaming lodge
Anyways
Gotta go
Keep wasting your heals on scratch damage I guess 
Same idea why Spot > Gummy at E1
spark sinew
ty ty
frozen cedar
this isn't DnD, I don't have a small amount of heals per day
void river
yes yes, garbage mode and game
frozen cedar
the UI is a mess and the permanent map felt, un play tested. without getting into rhetoric
frozen cedar
yeah if it wants us to get 100 planning we should be able to sort by planning
It could be 'sweet, spicy, umami' for all it seems to correlate with what the actual risks are
void river
cool UI but...
frozen cedar
i thought it looked neat, but actually doing anything with it was a mess
there should only be 4 categories.
things that make the enemies do more damage, things that make the enemies take less damage, things that affect deployment/DP generation, and uh 3 categories
bold lance
100 planning is just two "funny" 50 tags, no?
balmy jolt
Legit every new event UI feels less discernable than the last
balmy jolt
Also whoever thought afking for 4 hours to kill 1000% hp robots was a good game design seems to have forgotten you can play this game on phone
But game is still fun as fuck
balmy jolt
LOL I completely forgot
frozen cedar
bots should self destruct after 30 minutes at x2 speed, because if they haven't won yet, give it to the player
balmy jolt
I've been eating shit for so long
balmy jolt
bots should self destruct after 30 minutes at x2 speed, because if they haven't ...
Yes
gray stone
I haven't done 600
frozen cedar
I haven't done 600
600 isn't hard
frozen cedar
I really needed the LMD on one of my accounts
balmy jolt
Idk to me its weird to call gacha/strategy games 'not hard'
Like ya if you lookup what someone else did or use the 6 star p2w units its not to hard
If you figure it out yourself at the intended power level then its pretty fucking hard
balmy jolt
Eehhh I'd say 5 star is pretty clearly intended power level for everything besides like extra credit CC/PO
spark sinew
and it's not fun to guess if you can bring your yellow horse or goat stealth revealer because they balanced shit around them
or it would make it giga easy
i'm not sure if 5 stars are intended power level
especially since 5 stars also have big outliers that are always present in the clears for example
spark sinew
are they too strong? is using them devaluing the game difficulty?
or are they just right, and then the rest of 5* just suck?
balmy jolt
I think 5 stars are just balanced and 1-2 are really strong on any given map (PO/CC included) but will be weaker on other event maps
Whereas when I used 6 star units I could throw Ifrit/Eyja/SA at literally any problem and it would instantly be solved
spark sinew
teq pluma ptil shamare i'd say are quite stronger than your regular 5*
not even talking about stall shenanigans with blacknight/bibeak and lisk, who can just break the difficulty
deft badger
An old moderator
do they pay mods and admins? 😄
balmy jolt
Can't speak for the first two but I don't really use Ptil more than any other healer
Sometimes I use her but a lot of the time Perfumer is better
And Warfarin is xany more dps
Silence has better range
fluid sail
Sometimes I use her but a lot of the time Perfumer is better
when is perf > ptlopsis
the passive heal matters very rarely, and ptlopsis’s sp gen is basically always helpful
balmy jolt
Shamare also idk if there's something I'm missing but Prammanix is better a lot of the time
Probably when you can't deploy healers to every part of the map? xD
Ooh um
Last event the spaceship one
There was a robot that Utage could not quite solo
But with Perfumer she could
fluid sail
Probably when you can't deploy healers to every part of the map? xD
doesn’t happen much and if healing is an issue where ranged units can’t reach, a healing defender is more consistent then a slight passive head
balmy jolt
yeah I mean there is a tier list in terms of how versatile the 5 star units are
fluid sail
perf passive does have its uses but generally the sp boost from ptlopsis is more impactful
balmy jolt
But there are plenty of situations where I would prefer another healer to Ptil
Unlike say 6 star units
Where any situation could be solved with Ifrit/Eyja/SA
That's why the 5 star difficulty is intended, you don't use the same units every time
Obviously you still use some more than others
spark sinew
well i'm not that dedicated of a 5* user to only use them, but we do have a couple others (besides you) here
i was under assumption that 5* still have a core of ops that are just...better
so sure you swap around the rest, but the core usually stays, is that not the case?
gleaming lodge
do they pay mods and admins? 😄
no
balmy jolt
If I'm going in blind yeah I'll probably bring a core of Lappland/Kroos/Silence/Myrtle/Gummy/Leizi/Red/Perfumer and whoever
BUt those are all generalized characters so the more specialized a map gets I'll swap out more of them
The closest there is to a character I use literally every map is Myrtle
spark sinew
i meant uhhh
with enough optimisation, you will usually just have the "core" operators almost always be present on maps
those guys
so you cut ops until you can't clear anymore
balmy jolt
I mean maybe that's the case for other people but not for me LOL
One sec
Like half these characters I haven't used in months
BIson I leveled explicitly for this
Puzzle also
Even though Texas is better in 99% of situations
Amiya guard I don't think I have ever used
Until today
spark sinew
fabled s2 amiya
proud drift
Squid couldn't an argument be made that Saria S2 has bigger range than S1?
proud drift
Saria S2 could work in some silly strats with someone like Fiammetta where she gives 1 SP battery every so often I guess
but I'd imagine a big part of why Saria S2 can be good is cause it has big range
tidal sedge
You mean 2 sp
spark sinew
but please don't do it
tidal sedge
I've actually done that a couple times with Fia
spark sinew
it's okay
good damage for sure
proud drift
Good fia memes are funny
such as... 3vg2casterB fia was it in old SSS?
I don't remember what I cooked
but I cooked some funny shit that worked clearing it with fia as core
5casterB Fia was funniest
cyan gorge
5 caster Fia
proud drift
with Warfarin + casterB'd Skalter
spark sinew
speedrun to carpal tunnel
tidal sedge
Fia was funny in jungle sss last season
spark sinew
i don't like afk stuff myself but some of those strats scare me
so much clicking
proud drift
I like AFK stuff, but Fia S2 is very ASMR and funny damage
tidal sedge
Hitting the beacon with s2 almost totally refunds all sp
proud drift
cyan gorge
i don't like afk stuff myself but some of those strats scare me <:Bnuuy:92651546...
Still less than trying to use Pinecone, Bibeak, and Archetto s2 at the same time
proud drift
I often prefer Fia S2 over S3, but if there's an obvious Fia S3 place that just does a lot more then I'll use that
spark sinew
Still less than trying to use Pinecone, Bibeak, and Archetto s2 at the same time...
Leto s2 but for bird faction whenplease no
balmy jolt
@spark sinew But regardless of what intended difficulty is I do unironically appreciate the advice you were giving me last night, same with @limpid siren @somber falcon . Gaming communities are so fucking toxic that it's impossible to get useful/relevant advice so shout outs to you guys for fighting the trend
limpid siren
AKO sucks
cyan gorge
but I prefer S2 cause I give her archetto and Ch'en
I use s2 more now that i have stainless
proud drift
every large public community sucks massive balls
but they all have one corner with more tryhard-focused people
sometimes too tryhard
balmy jolt
not Fire Emblem
All their tryharders have been driven off a cliff
their skulls impaled on spikes as a warning to all
proud drift
I use s2 more now that i have stainless
do you just have her attack stainless turrets
to recharge SP
tidal sedge
What Fire Emblem community are you in where that's true
cyan gorge
Stainless s2
tidal sedge
Theres still plenty of efficiency thumpers in my experience, they're just newer faces
Time is a flat circle
balmy jolt
I did Engage lunatic without Engage rings because they obviously broke the game and got a whole lot of shit for criticizing the game by that standard
And by a whole lot of shit I mean literally everyone
limpid siren
Time is a flat circle
I love having the same arguments every other week because someone new has come into the game and been handed down the same years old misconceptions
cyan gorge
I did Engage lunatic without Engage rings because they obviously broke the game ...
I never even finished engage on normal/casual
balmy jolt
I never even finished engage on normal/casual <:ReedBean:1151601576700559390>
On the plus side the community will accept you
cyan gorge
I've been a FE fan for a long time and never once interacted with its community
balmy jolt
That would explain why you're still a fan of the series xD
Tbh its a better game if you don't tryhard, even the devs are trying to kill off their hardcore audience
radiant plinth
da fk
limpid siren
38 days, 400 kills?
lapis hornet
ako is okay tbh
lapis hornet
nothing incredibly bad that you wouldn't see in any large server
limpid siren
im only here for a few people
proud drift
actually why do I have a memory of cobra killing H bird
limpid siren
That’s anni 3
proud drift
Oh
lapis hornet
I'm mainly here to ask random stuff cause I don't follow the game day to day anymore lol
help is kinda annoying tho idk if it's because I'm old and grumpy or what
limpid siren
I think we’re both just old and grumpy
slim ocean
what squad should i use
radiant plinth
actually why do I have a memory of cobra killing H bird <:CeobeConfused:11518751...
nah
im just keeping the username
radiant plinth
38 days, 400 kills?
im just bashing my head into a wall once again
proud drift
help is kinda annoying tho idk if it's because I'm old and grumpy or what
too many trolls, too many clingy newbies
idk if it's as bad nowadays
I just remember it used to be that bad
lapis hornet
I don't have a problem with new ppl it's just uh
feels like there's more of those ppl who don't contribute anything substantial and are just there looking for an opportunity to talk down to some peps newer than them lul
proud drift
it's nice to help new ppl until you realize you can't teach them to think for themselves and/or adapt on top of that they start asking questions for every single tiny thing
then again the ones I think of are outliers
I just feel like AK has a lot of ppl like that
cause AK isn't as easy as an average gacha game would be
lapis hornet
bruh are you traumatized by jerry or smth lmao
limpid siren
im just bashing my head into a wall once again
Happy day, good luck
proud drift
well, not particularly traumatized but
I remember times where it felt like every person in help was codemuncher level
without the ling syndrome
then again I never really talked there, only observed sometimes because that channel felt like #arknights in help category 
proud drift
I remember times where it felt like every person in help was codemuncher level
at least his last message was in september 
radiant plinth
proud drift
wait why is leite gone
limpid siren
He comes and goes
limpid siren
I remember times where it felt like every person in help was codemuncher level
Just answer questions you want to, and skip ones you don’t
proud drift
but would you step in to stop misinformation
tidal sedge
Depends on the misinfo
proud drift
I love having the same arguments every other week because someone new has come i...
I was mostly thinking back on this lmao
tidal sedge
But I'm not exactly qualified to talk on efficient investment matters, which most questions are about, because I don't really play that way.
proud drift
I'm a 6* abuser so I can only help with basic stuff
tidal sedge
and trying to wear such a mindset as a hat often has me spouting weird takes.
proud drift
tidal sedge
Like my quasi-distaste for vgs.
proud drift
specific vgs or all vgs?
tidal sedge
All vgs.
tidal sedge
Yeah. But I do wonder if it wouldn't be "efficient" to just leave vgs at e1 unless you have ambitions for high diff IS or CC
proud drift
not necessarily
some VGs should be higher level so they can actually hold a lane for the beginning of the stage
cases being EX and S stages, especially CM
I'm thinking ones like Saga and Siege
slim ocean
what squad should i use
😔 any advice, i'm stuck at s2-4
lapis hornet
it's more of a qol thing since you can argue you can beat most/all stages without e2ing anything
tidal sedge
Theres strong dps ops at those dp costs these days though
lapis hornet
that's the thing
tidal sedge
They kill stuff for a good while, and time is DP
lapis hornet
if you have strong ops you don't need that dp anymore
proud drift
powercreep issue ig
lapis hornet
except when you absolutely have to have dp, for example -75%dp gen
proud drift
but that's hard content specific
how frequent is DP gen CM
even then
I at least managed to get past all the DP gen risks and CMs
with just this
so they're not that problematic
tidal sedge
it's more of a qol thing since you can argue you can beat most/all stages withou...
Yeah. I think what it really is that I'm too hard on comfort motivated investments, which is kinda jank logic in some ways
proud drift
now I have cantabile and saileach raised, but I didn't have them earlier
why'd you consider comfort investments bad tho
btw we should prob help the guy who asked for help with s2-4
limpid siren
what squad should i use
have you used your 5* selector tickets yet?
frozen cedar
btw we should prob help the guy who asked for help with s2-4
most stages before chapter 5 are just level up
proud drift
oh
tidal sedge
Bit of help on MN-EX-5 CM?
proud drift
s2-4 is barricade placement lessons
slim ocean
have you used your 5* selector tickets yet?
dunno, i just returned yesterday
frozen cedar
Bit of help on MN-EX-5 CM?
whats the issue?
slim ocean
yeah
limpid siren
dunno, i just returned yesterday
check your mailbox, you might have a couple 5* selector tickets in there
slim ocean
okay
tidal sedge
whats the issue?
Two of the gramophones start under enemy control
frozen cedar
Two of the gramophones start under enemy control
so park a 0 block near them. like mizuki? or mylnar
proud drift
in your case Arts could be Angelina, Carnelian, Amiya, Click, Haze, Steward
actually you don't have Steward yet
Carnelian isn't exactly the best option either
tidal sedge
so park a 0 block near them. like mizuki? or mylnar
I can bring Ethan as well
proud drift
so you can either give Amiya some levels and plop her down
slim ocean
ty
proud drift
Click and Haze aren't bad options, though Click sees a lot more use than Haze
when you get Steward consider giving him levels
great 3* unit that can provide you a lot of Arts help
frozen cedar
Click and Haze aren't bad options, though Click sees a lot more use than Haze
are you forgetting pudding?
proud drift
he doesn't have pudding
frozen cedar
everyone has pudding, she's always in the shop
slim ocean
tyty 
frozen cedar
you get 150 red vouchers clearing the first annihilation
proud drift
though I did kinda forget about pudding (cause she isn't on his owned list)
btw @slim ocean you can place barricades something like this
to put units through longest possible path
that way your dps units can have more time to hit
slim ocean
🙏 ty
glass monolith
and when everything fail troll last few enemies by unlocking block on left but placing block on right
limpid siren
what squad should i use
for the actual question at hand, common wisdom revolves around a "two of each, except supporters/specialists" for early game squads
you may consider the following:
- texas, **courier **(texas is a bit fragile early, so if you get a charger like vigna you might like courier/**vigna **instead)
- get lappland if you have the big 5* selector, you can pair her with maybe **mousse **or **melantha **until you get a better option
- mudrock, bubble is fine
- kroos, shirayuki (wait for the next event to pick up insider, the welfare 5* marksman)
- click, lava (you can keep using **carnelian **if you really want, but she'll be tough to see much value out of for a young squad - same deal for angelina)
- get silence (from the 4 pick 5* ticket if you have it), otherwise run perfumer with **hibiscus **or ansel, whoever you think is cuter because it doesn't really matter
the sniper and caster slots are good for covering st and mt dps early on
lava is cheap and good enough to clear basically every early swarm stage with a bit of help
vanguards exist to chump block and accelerate dp early, which you'll kinda need with an expensive unit like mudrock (who will be very powerful at e1)
it's nice to mix in 3*s, because they're so cheap and the first two you raise to certain level thresholds give you rebates on the investment
your guard lineup is very weak if you don't have the 5* selectors, but okayish if you do
lappland is a strong unit for weak rosters, as she is a solid dps unit at lower levels and helps negate some nasty effects in three story chapters with her silence talent
medic lineup is fine, perfumer is a nice pickup early to cover the multi-target healing role
tidal sedge
so park a 0 block near them. like mizuki? or mylnar
That worked. Ty!
limpid siren
the modal units you have (carnelian and angelina) will be dead units most of the time, as in early chapters auto-attack dps does actually matter and neither unit is very good for that
slim ocean
okay, thank you very much
limpid siren
angelina will sometimes be nice to use though, because slowing enemies can be a very helpful thing
slim ocean
🙏
limpid siren
if you play through hortus de escapismo soon and get insider, pair him with kroos until you need splash damage from someone like shirayuki
oh
actually you could just keep using meteorite instead of shirayuki
tbh
that's totally fine too
spark sinew
That worked. Ty!
btw trapmaster mines work (mudrock event right?)
proud drift
MN is maria nearl, no?
spark sinew
what would be gramophones in that
lapis hornet
traps work either way
proud drift
good question
limpid siren
these four units aren't really worth more investment too
spark sinew
e1 1 frostleaf is fine
limpid siren
spark sinew
you might want to do that eventually anyway, but probably wouldn't bother investing much past that
lapis hornet
I remember that stage cause I was tryna some really geeky stuff lol
limpid siren
i remember trying aurora on that stage and feeling hatred