strategy

[quartz pendant]

I was told to do it because of Texalter mats

I don't even want Texalter

[latent anvil]

oh

[quartz pendant]

I just want to do the story

[gleaming furnace]

then why you do it?

[latent anvil]

are they telling you to bumrush ch11

[quartz pendant]

Because I guess not rolling for Texalter is a sin?

[latent anvil]

im not rolling for her because sock told me not to

[gleaming furnace]

you can get salt from s9-2 though, and im sure you already have that stage.

[hollow forum]

you do realize that nobody is forcing you to heed our advices, right

we're just recommending what's the best choice, but you can choose to ignore it

[quartz pendant]

I only did the stage again to show you how I do it, I'm back on chapter 7

I work all week and get the weekends off, I'm not wasting my homeless weekends with 1 map for 3 fucking stars

Oh god it's processing

7 minutes...

[gleaming furnace]

still failed? to clear the stage?

[gentle finch]

what stage

[gleaming furnace]

9-19

[hollow forum]

9-19

they've been at it for at least an hour and a half to no avail

[gleaming furnace]

have you watch the video i upload?

[quartz pendant]

Yes I still failed, I kill her in the same fucking spot no matter what I do

[upbeat lynx]

aight the H9-5 guide im watching just straight up doesnt work cause fireballs aren't doing what they are supposed to

[quartz pendant]

I had a better time playing Armored Core Last Raven without a memory card when I was younger

[gleaming furnace]

have you watch this @quartz pendant ?

[quartz pendant]

https://youtu.be/L56PoYdnjRk

[upbeat lynx]

meanwhile I had a better time completing all of syphon filter full stealth on the ps1 without a memory card than doing H9-5

[gleaming furnace]

mandra can reduce dmg if you don't drop pillar on her and you try to attack her more when she has the shield, like with monster and then mlynar after her phase 2 starts...

[upbeat lynx]

I watch this guide, I see the fireball just keeps heading right towards spot, I try to do it myself, the fireball just keeps going into the dropped pillar and it keeps opening the south path causing all the enemies to be able to just avoid going towards me
https://youtu.be/EhAkHAioNIs?t=420

something def changed cause the only comments mentioning the fireballs going to the south pillar ruins start only 2 weeks ago

[gleaming furnace]

on phase 2 mandra, she can use the rock to kill your operator and you place gg or kaltsit in the rock range...

[quartz pendant]

Then idk where the whole to put her

[gleaming furnace]

have you watch this ?

https://youtu.be/45g6IvtwqEM

this is like the 3rd time i asked you, if you don't want to, then try your best.

swap click and myrtle with your saileach/eyja/gg. Deploy exu earlier so no leaks. redeploy mlynar again for statue monster on top left.

[turbid badge]

I bet yu will come back during kal skin!

[quartz pendant]

That's the only reason I'll ever come back

[lethal dragon]

This kinda triggered me

Specially when you used mlynar skill to kill the last hit oh her hp

[frigid kite]

Lol this guy still on 9-19

[lethal dragon]

You could use monster to finish her off

Or even GG

[gleaming furnace]

mlynar alone is enough

and add extra bait

[lethal dragon]

They are doing fine just need some fine tuning

Why are you afraid of deploy gg

[turbid badge]

Mlynar makes Mang way easier

especially since he can also hit air too

[lucid pebble]

what can i do here? this is my team, i can try to change something teamwise

[upbeat lynx]

aight yep

[turbid badge]

hm?

i recommend killing the ranged one first

if u can

[upbeat lynx]

I checked the comments in the guides, sometime 2-3 weeks ago the devs def changed something, fireballs dont follow the pathing they are supposed to in H9-5 for some weird reason

[turbid badge]

team looks fine

[gleaming furnace]

you can borrow surtr, block both enemies with gavial and surtr then spawn camp them. Rest should be easy with that squad.

[lucid pebble]

i didnt consider spawn camping

[turbid badge]

yea they fixed a bug on fireballs

near luo xiao

[lucid pebble]

ok ill try spawn camping them

[gleaming furnace]

but better don't play MN during this event duration, you don't get any sanity potion and supply box.

[lucid pebble]

im doing it for OP

[upbeat lynx]

yeh and that fix broke H9-5 since the fireballs now dont follow the pathing they are supposed to
which makes the already hard stage even harder

[gleaming furnace]

have you cleared every story stage and cm ?

[lucid pebble]

no im stuck on story

[gleaming furnace]

but you can get supply box and sanity potion, much better than clearing MN stages. You can clear MN during dead days later

[hollow forum]

which stage / chapter are you stuck at anyway

[turbid badge]

its not that bad i think if u control ur dps u can just burst both down at same time , left is melee, right is ranged btw

and ur laneholders are good for middle

[quartz pendant]

FUCK it whatever, I killed the boss, but one moth got away, I'm not doing this map again fuck your 3*

[turbid badge]

stopppp aaa why keep 2 staring

[quartz pendant]

Cause I do not give a flying FUCK about 3* this map

[lucid pebble]

its ok i did it

spawncamping worked

[turbid badge]

waow

[lucid pebble]

chapter 8

let me check which stage

[quartz pendant]

The boss is killed, but one moth got away cause Mylnar was ready too late and Exu's skill didn't make it in time

I'm not doing that shit again

[turbid badge]

[lucid pebble]

i did this stage and killed every enemy except 1 basic mob at the very end, and i got so pissed i gave up

heh

[hollow forum]

you should be able to clear this pretty fine

[turbid badge]

Just borrow mwynar

[gleaming furnace]

you can borrow mlynar, place medic on bottom lane facing top, mlynar can kill left side enemies. Rest small mobs should be easy.

[hollow forum]

^

[turbid badge]

yea this

mlynar moment

[gleaming furnace]

have you cleared all cm ? maybe lower chapter cm will be easier if you think this stage is hard.

[lucid pebble]

where do i put mlynar

[hollow forum]

or if mlynar is high level I think he can just straight up tank it

[gleaming furnace]

and usually cost less sanity, you get , use less sanity so you can clear more stages and also have chance to get box/sanity

[lucid pebble]

Ill do CM once i get stuck on normal story again

[gleaming furnace]

either those 2 tiles

[lucid pebble]

got it

ill try now

[gleaming furnace]

if your goals is doing cm from lower chapter should be your priority. but do what you like.

[hollow forum]

^

or if you haven't already, try some of the H stages

some of the earlier ones are fairly easy to do

[lucid pebble]

can i heal talulah

[tidal sedge]

No

[lucid pebble]

how do i make her not die

[gleaming furnace]

kill other enemies faster

[hollow forum]

kill the enemies faster

[lucid pebble]

hmm

ok

maybe fiametta

[tidal sedge]

Enemies can't use their projectiles that target her while they're blocked

[lucid pebble]

would it be better to put fiametta or ifrit on that top middle tile

[tidal sedge]

You could drop Gravel to distract jetpacks that drop by her to give an example

[lucid pebble]

the jetpacks werent the problem

all the basic mobs piled up when she walked towards the middle

[hollow forum]

mlynar should've deleted like, the majority of them already

[lucid pebble]

do i just keep using his skill everytime its up

[hollow forum]

if there's enemies around and in his range, sure

[lucid pebble]

Ok

let me try again

but with monst3r blocking

[hollow forum]

if you can, take a screenshot of your setup / placements and post it here

[upbeat lynx]

now that was a headache, had to bring kaltsit and surtr ontop of what I already had just to deal with the evocators so that they dont mess up the pathing

[lucid pebble]

yay i did it

thanks for suggesting mlynar guys

jesus

this next stage is something

[hollow forum]

M8-8 isn't too bad, what options do you have for heals

[lucid pebble]

and saria

[hollow forum]

[lucid pebble]

hehe

[hollow forum]

what are your M3s

[foggy grove]

[lucid pebble]

none

kaltsit is s3 m1

[hollow forum]

[lucid pebble]

i can borrow a healer

[hollow forum]

if pozy was M3 maybe kaltsit and her would be enough and you can maybe borrow a ptilopsis

guess we can try that

[foggy grove]

non cm gas is not that bad at least

[hollow forum]

borrow a ptilopsis with s2m3, preferably with mod 3 if you can

[lucid pebble]

do you have one of those i can borrow

[hollow forum]

unfortunately no

gonna have to look at #friend-id for that one

unless someone else has her

[somber falcon]

M8-8? Just pick a random ptil, even sl7 is enough

[turbid badge]

i can

oh shit wait nvm s2 m3??

I have sl6

have**

[hollow forum]

why sl6

[turbid badge]

her healings already pretty cracked so i dont think i bothered sl7

[lucid pebble]

is this ok

[astral oyster]

Where sl7

[hollow forum]

at least look for one with sl7

[lucid pebble]

ok

[turbid badge]

ok i just sl7 mine

loll

[lucid pebble]

@turbid badge get your ptilopsis off my screen

[astral oyster]

Whats m8-8 again?

[lucid pebble]

oh

ok

[hollow forum]

memphisto stage

[turbid badge]

[lucid pebble]

when does it refresh to show m6

[astral oyster]

Ngl perfumer/ skalter works wonders passive healing aint bad

As long as u have low dmg

[hollow forum]

if you are not friends the skills will be stuck at lvl7

[lucid pebble]

oops i meant sl7

idk where m6 came from

[turbid badge]

lol ptilo m6

[lucid pebble]

that would be epic

do i have to reopen the game to see your sl7 ptilopsis teta

[hollow forum]

well, we have a s3m1 kal and a sl7 pozy with no mod

so idk how that'll go

[turbid badge]

idk maybe

just sl7 like a bit ago lol

[lucid pebble]

ill reopen

[turbid badge]

wouldnt hurt too much as im gonna run rhine lab runs when muelseye comes i guess

[lucid pebble]

in 6 months

i want muelseye so bad

also

idk where im placing any of these ops but

ill try my best

[astral oyster]

Did u get jerboa

[lucid pebble]

still level 6

outrageous

[turbid badge]

yess

i luv mine

[astral oyster]

Most sane jerboa haver

[lucid pebble]

whos jerboa

[astral oyster]

Wait for module so we can have Lego

[hollow forum]

dorothy

[lucid pebble]

@turbid badge can u take ptilopsis off ur support so i can keep rolling for sl7

[hollow forum]

she's based on the jerboa rat

[turbid badge]

dorothy

[lucid pebble]

cool

aww theyre soc ute

[turbid badge]

lmao is it bugged

[lucid pebble]

i guess

[turbid badge]

did u refresh

ur thing

[lucid pebble]

epic

[turbid badge]

no module skh

smh

[lucid pebble]

NOOO

[turbid badge]

but dont think its needed

[lucid pebble]

okok

where do i place her

[astral oyster]

I cope with perfumer during mephibirb stage

[turbid badge]

m8-8?

[lucid pebble]

yes

[astral oyster]

Yea

[lucid pebble]

also should i be killing mephisto immediately or wait to set up my ops

[turbid badge]

idk put probably anywhere on the middle ranged tiles if u find one with module maybe u can find some other placements shes judt there to heal threw the poison damage

[turbid badge]

dont burst him

control ur damage

or poison will eat u

[lucid pebble]

I dont get it

[astral oyster]

You can if u one shot him

[lucid pebble]

so kill him slowly?

[turbid badge]

he poops poison cloud that stacks when he gets damaged

and its true damage

[astral oyster]

50 true dmg per tick and it stacks

[turbid badge]

and it affects everybody on the field

[lucid pebble]

i see

wow

ptilopsis just died instantly

ok

NO

[turbid badge]

lmaoao

[lucid pebble]

I HATE THE THROWER GUYS

[turbid badge]

put a defebder

in the middle to bait

[hollow forum]

gavialt can handle them, just know when to use your skill

[lucid pebble]

do i put gavialter on left

like at their spawn

[hollow forum]

definitely not

[turbid badge]

noo

[sweet flower]

guys what will happen if i beat 10-17

[lucid pebble]

but they kill all my ops before they even reach me

[hollow forum]

hell stages open and you're off to ch11, ig

[lucid pebble]

texalter would be great rn

[astral oyster]

The throwers? The only purpose of hoshi

[lucid pebble]

im already borrowing ptilopsis

[turbid badge]

i would recommend u a strat but ur gavial alter not m3 right

[lucid pebble]

no

[turbid badge]

put gavial here

s2 will pull them in

and she will kill them

[lucid pebble]

ok

[astral oyster]

The throwers deal not that much dmg tbf

The thing that really shred

Is the melee ones

With the red crystal

[hollow forum]

@lucid pebble

you can have a setup like so

maybe put silence next to pozy instead

[lucid pebble]

is that 4 healers

[hollow forum]

so you can use the typewriter

[hollow forum]

yes

[lucid pebble]

cant i just put typewriter on the left

[hollow forum]

you can, sure

but the sarkaz will block it

[lucid pebble]

ohh

[hollow forum]

put it where silence is and put silence next to pozy

I can probably do it with this, but my units are high level and have masteries on them

so idk how it'll fare with you

[lucid pebble]

im just scared of the throwers

[hollow forum]

they won't do jack with that much heals

[lucid pebble]

also is that gavial s2 or s3

[hollow forum]

s2

[lucid pebble]

ok

it almost worked

i think i activated gavial skill too late

let me try again

[hollow forum]

you are also not forced to copy everything including the squad

add more units in to help with the killing, like irene next to gavial in the little square tile at the bottom

[astral oyster]

The throwers will shred irene no?

I mean ofc u can put her later

[hollow forum]

hm, true

[astral oyster]

Unless micro silence drone

Maybe

[lucid pebble]

I DID IT

pozy was able to kill mephisto by herself

[astral oyster]

Gz

[lucid pebble]

very cool

[hollow forum]

now go to talulah stages

[lucid pebble]

i am

idk what just happened but

she did something

[astral oyster]

And someone burned to death

[lucid pebble]

oh lord

this is horrible

[hollow forum]

I put bagpipe to help and sus was enough to make her tank the throwers

the second those sarkaz mfs show up then she'd die without the heal drone tho

[lucid pebble]

btw i put irene after gavi and she did fine

[astral oyster]

Oh right i sometimes forgor the sarkaz was there since i just SA their ass after mephibirb moved

[lucid pebble]

she actually clutched at the end

[astral oyster]

Interesting

[lucid pebble]

anyway i have no idea what im doing for jt8-2

how many stages are there in this god damn chapter

[vital arrow]

Just 2 more

[hollow forum]

borrow mlynar and he'll delete her easy enough

[lucid pebble]

does she have a phase 2

[hollow forum]

and yeah, only jt8-2 and jt8-3 are left for ch8

she certainly does

or at least I think she does?

[vital arrow]

JT8-2 only 1 phase

[hollow forum]

nvm then

[vital arrow]

JT8-3 has 2 phases

[astral oyster]

Jt8-3 has the fireball waves

[lucid pebble]

ok

[astral oyster]

Annoyin af

[vital arrow]

8-2 does have like enrage buff at 50%

[lucid pebble]

uhh where do i put mlynar

[astral oyster]

Btm left

[hollow forum]

bottom blue box facing the lava

so left side

[lucid pebble]

?

[hollow forum]

on the other side, but that can work if you heal him ig

[lucid pebble]

wdym other side

like where myrtle is

[hollow forum]

yes

[astral oyster]

Bring 2 fast rdp btw unless you have shit load of healing

I learnt my lesson

[hollow forum]

also you have an open entry on the top right

[lucid pebble]

u said that right after i alt tabbed bc i leaked due to that opening

i didnt know they come from that angle

[hollow forum]

they'll do the same for the bottom one

dw

[astral oyster]

U can ling dragon solo right side until fhe imperious gunner thing appear

[hollow forum]

actually, you know what

the easier way to do it is just surtr tal

[astral oyster]

[lucid pebble]

tal?

[astral oyster]

Talulah

Operator when

[lucid pebble]

bruh

i keep leaking

idk what to do

[hollow forum]

where are you placing your laneholders exactly

[astral oyster]

Pull stainless and pre charge irene

[hollow forum]

ye that should be good

hm

[lucid pebble]

is using surtr easier

[hollow forum]

yeah

wait until tal gets close to the blue box, place surtr down and call it a day

meanwhile you focus on actually not leaking the other side of the map

[lucid pebble]

how close

[hollow forum]

I mean, do you really have to ask that

[astral oyster]

Wait does tal have low res high def?

[lucid pebble]

do i put her in the same spot i put mlynar?

[eager gate]

sub50 Talulah gets pretty ridiculous res

[hollow forum]

surtr should still be able to kill her though

[eager gate]

not from 100

[lucid pebble]

also the big drone is annoying

[astral oyster]

And how much def does she have?

[hollow forum]

you have pozy for that

[lucid pebble]

ok

[eager gate]

Surt can do about 60% Talulah hp on level 60 s3m3 before she dies
much less if Talulah took the red tile

[hollow forum]

hm

[lucid pebble]

bro

this fucking drone

[astral oyster]

Wait until imperial gunner hit lmao

You will mald

[lucid pebble]

brother

[hollow forum]

this is the one time I'm gonna say that you have a mastery / mod issue

pozy can easily solo that drone, but you kinda need the masteries for it, idk about module though but it'd help

[lucid pebble]

well

i cant even get pozy down before he gets to me lol

thats my issue

[astral oyster]

So dp issue

[lucid pebble]

yes

very much so

huge dp issue

[frigid kite]

Hmmmmmm

Me when

Which ops are you using?

[lucid pebble]

maybe fang would be better than bagpipe

[frigid kite]

Damn bagpipe demoted 3 ranks

Yeah easy

What's the problem you are having?

[astral oyster]

Is that pot 3 bagpepe

[tardy ginkgo]

Can’t you use gravel to tank for pozy or something

[lucid pebble]

dp

[lucid pebble]

unfortunately yes

[frigid kite]

I see i see

Ok

[lucid pebble]

uhhh i can try

[frigid kite]

Can I give you some recommendations

[lucid pebble]

actually that could work

sure

let me try that other suggestion first

[hollow forum]

do keep in mind he has no masteries other than s3m1 on kal

[astral oyster]

Thats sounds so hurtful

Ngl

[eager gate]

More than 60 actually, about 2/3
But doesn't kill for sure

[hollow forum]

would an S3m1 kal be able to finish the job

that's what the guy has

[lucid pebble]

OK

I KILLED IT

HOWEVER

[eager gate]

that's s2m0

[lucid pebble]

i was so tunnel visioned on it that i leaked

[tardy ginkgo]

Isn’t that enraging her at the very start

[lucid pebble]

i also have m2 on myrtle

[tardy ginkgo]

Would it be more effective to get her to >50% and then Surtr through the second half

[eager gate]

Ye it is because I can afford it my Schwarz is almost back up

[hollow forum]

ik, the problem is he doesn't really have anyone else to add damage for tal other than s3m1 kal

[tardy ginkgo]

Makes sense

[tardy ginkgo]

You can tank Talulah

[eager gate]

He can just pull out 2nd Surt like Doug just said

1st cycle to 50+, 2nd cycle in Kal range to 0

[hollow forum]

fair enough

[eager gate]

and I do recommend s2 because you need her to be a healbot

[lucid pebble]

ok

i almost did it

but i fucked up by placing kaltsit wrong

[lucid pebble]

s2 for who

[tardy ginkgo]

Almost there 👍

If it works it works

[lucid pebble]

surtr actually got her to like

1/4 hp

so i just need monster to clutch

[eager gate]

old cat s2, she can sustain the team by herself with occasional Gravel bait

[lucid pebble]

do you mean kaltsit

[eager gate]

yes

[lucid pebble]

does the true damage ever like

stop

or does it just keep stacking

[eager gate]

It stops but I don't know after how long

[lucid pebble]

ok

someone is leaking

but idek who or where

[frigid kite]

@lucid pebble alright you basically would like to do something like this

Do note that i'm using schwarz as Pozy replacement

[eager gate]

don't feel intimidated by that^ Pozy kills the ufo in 2 s2s and maybe a few typewriter hits kek

[frigid kite]

I-i dont have Pozy...

[sly pivot]

can u not just borrow mlynar

[eager gate]

oh hey
That was an option the entire time yes

[sly pivot]

he curbstomps everything

[latent anvil]

in the entire game

[frigid kite]

if he wants to borrow mlynar sure

[lucid pebble]

I DID IT

[frigid kite]

[eager gate]

thankfully they did it without balans horse

[lucid pebble]

yo so is guard amiya good

she seems pretty decent

[frigid kite]

Not the best but good, also nice looking, that sword damn, she buffs globaly, S1 good arts damage and S2 true damage but can only be activate 1 time per deployment (or per stage I dont remember lol)

[latent anvil]

shes fine as an arts guard, does her job properly yeah

useful enough in IS

[frigid kite]

Oh also dodges

[lucid pebble]

i dont have a good arts guard other than lappland so thats cool

[latent anvil]

lappland arts guard

[frigid kite]

She is good for fighting the true talula

[lucid pebble]

the talulah next stage?

[vernal lion]

deathless black snake, if you say

[lucid pebble]

honestly

how hard is the next stage

[vernal lion]

talulah is just under controlled by him

[lucid pebble]

i might just put it off

[eager gate]

maybe the deathless black snake was the friends we made along the way

[frigid kite]

Give it a try

[lucid pebble]

should i bring guard amiya

[frigid kite]

If you want to

[lucid pebble]

ok

[frigid kite]

Usual tip is to let her stall the boss

But that's a bit of spoiler just check the stage

[vernal lion]

I remember a condition for secret ending is Amiya in JT8-3

[frigid kite]

Yea i think it is

[hollow forum]

I don't think he's unlocked the prior ones though

unless it doesn't matter

[lucid pebble]

well

i instantly lost

i have no idea what just happened

[frigid kite]

You got

Read checked

[lucid pebble]

wat

[frigid kite]

Wait you cant read the boss stats before you fight it true 💀

[vernal lion]

got boss info
read it

[lucid pebble]

that is the longest boss description ive ever seen

[frigid kite]

For now

[lethal dragon]

Bring amiya

That one?

[vernal lion]

she will ignite 2 op, no matter where on the map if there's at least 1, make them suffer arts dmg overtime and the dmg keep increasing by time, prio last deployed op

[lucid pebble]

this sounds like itll require

way too much thinking

[lethal dragon]

She is pretty annoying

Yeah

[vernal lion]

she can cast the explosion on op that got ignited, deal arts dmg to that op and 4 tiles around that op

and the most annoying thing is, each phase she got defeated, she will summon fireball rain, the fireballs fly from the left to the right that deals huge dmg to your op

[full kernel]

I'm having issues clearing 9-19 with this squad, I'm not sure what unites to alternate because the Tombkeeper Grotesques keep flying and getting to the end

and I'm using Kalfka and waai to attack the pilars since they have a fast cooldown

[hollow forum]

what ranged options do you have

[full kernel]

let me take a screenshot

[proud drift]

[hollow forum]

Hm, Exu and gg should do it

are you borrowing? and if you do, who

[proud drift]

Shouldn’t exu alone do it

Also wtf where modules

Passenger dusk no modules

[full kernel]

I'm not using a support unit, I'm trying to get the auto deploy

[proud drift]

Should prob use gravel instead of kafka to hit pillars unless gravel is unleveled for some reason

Also why autodeploy

You’re not gonna farm it

[full kernel]

true, but I feel it's cheating using a support unit, and is more challenging not to use one

[hollow forum]

fair enough

but as I said, exu and gg should do the job

[proud drift]

I mean with your account it’s already cheating

Though lack of module hurts some units

Exu should be able to kill flying gargoyles by herseld, no?

[hollow forum]

also those levels my god

[proud drift]

Could also just have thorns solo

Iirc thorns solos left

[full kernel]

I refuse to learn how to use them, since they added them

[proud drift]

You level them

That’s it

[hollow forum]

^

[proud drift]

Not all of them

But a lot of them are decent at at least mod1

[hollow forum]

it's not like you're forced to use a different skill for some of these

passenger still use his s3 with mod

[proud drift]

Some desperately need modules to be functional

Iirc passenger mod makes him actually good

Aoe caster modules makes them deployable

[full kernel]

y'all really making me have to learn about them

damn

[proud drift]

Well

They are an important part of the game

Not much to learn about them

Would prob take more to read their lore

Than to understand what they do

[full kernel]

I refuse to learn

but thanks

I'll watch some vids to see how they work

[turbid badge]

huh

dusk 2nd mod dropped??

[main halo]

This stage is pretty bothersome

Had no choice but to borrow

[turbid badge]

borrow who?

[main halo]

Pozy

[turbid badge]

Oh thats the spam artillary stage

right

i killed them with carnelian

[proud drift]

Wdym 2nd mod

[vernal lion]

I didn't even use Exu

the team btw

[latent anvil]

no ng skin

[proud drift]

Is it not suzuran above skalter

[vernal lion]

Gnosis with 50% fragile is better

[proud drift]

Gnosis only has 50% if frozen

Otherwise it’s 25

[vernal lion]

yea, that's part 1, and I need it for boss p1

because it's freaky tanky

[proud drift]

Oh so boss can be frozen

[vernal lion]

only when the boss doesn't boost itself

p2 it boosts all the time, but it got nerf, so I just nuke it when it's preparing to launch the hammer attack

also, some new op will need salt,
I don't know if newbie wants to do chap 11 if they got new op lol

[latent anvil]

How all beginner gonna level up texas when they can't get salt

[full kernel]

ok, final question for the night. Goldenglow's surging current better than Crystalline shine?

[latent anvil]

S2 good for anni, s3 good for SSS and global range help dps

S3 generally more useful

[dapper meadow]

she's m6 worthy for sure. I use both often enough. WGZ answered more detailed

[latent anvil]

Yea m6 is fine, I use both as well

[proud drift]

Idk if she needs s2 masteries

[formal ivy]

I'm having trouble with 7-18 right now. I can burst Him down to their second phase, but I can never clear enemies fast enough after their second phase starts. Any advice? (Team Attached)

[proud drift]

I use gg without s2 masteries just fine

[dapper meadow]

but i'd go s3 first, and s2 as a luxury after less important masterries on other ops

[latent anvil]

S2 feels good enough to use so I masteried, just like suzu

[dapper meadow]

are you using mines?

[formal ivy]

Probably not as often as I could be.

[latent anvil]

If you borrow and chuck mountain at bot left he'll do a lot

[dapper meadow]

they make a huge difference. additionally, it might be very beneficial to bait Patriot's first spear throw on a useless ranged unit

[latent anvil]

Or if ur borrowing just take mlynar tbh

[formal ivy]

How strong does Mountain need to be? Because I have one at E1 Lvl80

[dapper meadow]

12F is one option for his talent. If DP is an issue, just take any cheap ranged op like justice knight

[vernal lion]

I don't think if GG need mastery because she still carry me fine with her SL7 all skills

[latent anvil]

Hm, not sure if he will have enough dmg or survive, I never tried/saw one at e1 80 on that stage so idk

[proud drift]

S3 masteries imo good investment

S2 idk not so much

I use her s2 mainly for annis and she does just fine

[dapper meadow]

I can temporarily add you for support unit if you'd like (friends list full, but i can drop 1 person and add them after you finish 7-18). Myl does very well and has great damage. (E2 L90, S3M3, so shouldnt have too much trouble)

[latent anvil]

Well nature of drone caster is their stacking dmg so in my head masteries= more

i don't like autocorrect

[vernal lion]

GG carry is real lol

[formal ivy]

It's not damage I'm having a problem on, it's the waves of enemies that come after I knock Him in phase 2.

Hence why I brought SilverAsh

[dapper meadow]

oh. Do you have Mudrock?

Mountain works too, but Mud is fantastic in 7-18

[formal ivy]

Yes. E2 Lvl 1

[proud drift]

Mudrock solos entire of patriot stage

Except patriot

Kill patriot put mudrock on s2 bottom left and go afk

Tho idk if she needs levels or masteries

[hollow forum]

is borrowing an option, because he could just borrow a well-built mud no

[dapper meadow]

god Myl S3 + mines is so stupid. I think you might be able to kill him quicker if you deploy Myl in range of where he spawns and drop mine instantly

[storm current]

you dont need mine btw

[formal ivy]

Welp, turns out all I needed to hold bottom lane was Mudrock.

[astral oyster]

Non skin mud mud

[hollow forum]

non-skin mud is good tho

[astral oyster]

Yeah better than the swimsuit one

[formal ivy]

I already had "Him" under control with my Maxed Red and Nearl. Mud was just the final nail.

Now I just have to figure out how to do this without Nearl or Mudrock...

[astral oyster]

Why , you dont need to auto this stage no?

[vernal lion]

dude 7-18 has good drop rate too tho

oriron and polyketon are my needs

[astral oyster]

Does ch 10 not exist

[vernal lion]

7-18 is only oriron and polyketon, the rate is better than a bunch of random shit drop

from chap 10

this is 10-11

and it doesn't give me comfortable feeling

so skip

[astral oyster]

Wait ch 10 side drop has salt

[vernal lion]

yea

they just updated it

chap 9, 10 and 11 all have salt drop

[turbid badge]

whats best salt stage

[astral oyster]

11-3

[formal ivy]

Oh, I already Auto it. I just want to be accurate to a "lore" fight. Which is going to be a pain...

[astral oyster]

Be more lore accurate just use rosmantis kalsit amiya and no mines

[proud drift]

Prob still need to clear 11 to craft salt

[turbid badge]

shiiii no mines

[vernal lion]

these stage got regular drop, think it's not the best but still farmable

[turbid badge]

kal and amiya

[proud drift]

S9-2??

[vernal lion]

yes

[proud drift]

9 has new stages?

[turbid badge]

week 2

[hollow forum]

ye

[turbid badge]

Well need to wait

Oh wtf

[hollow forum]

it's for the folks who havent gotten to ch11

[vernal lion]

it's right now tho

[astral oyster]

The copium salt stage

[turbid badge]

[astral oyster]

Its fun the domino stage

[turbid badge]

holy crap

more Op

[hollow forum]

it's not as bad as it looks I'll say that much

[astral oyster]

Hell its prob easiest ch 9

[proud drift]

Wait but i’ve done that stage

I remember it

[hollow forum]

[proud drift]

[vernal lion]

do 11-3 if you want a chance to get t3 salt, along side to t2 salt

[proud drift]

Oh nvm

It’s just s9-1 but different

[vernal lion]

currently, the rate is just 5% indeed

[proud drift]

I should start ch11

[turbid badge]

what in the world

[turbid badge]

sure

I guess

wtf

[proud drift]

<@&586570970345635868>

They’re improving

[proud drift]

Wtf bagpipe gaming

[turbid badge]

oh wow

that was satisfying

[vernal lion]

left side is for range op, right side is for melee op

your choice

but why not do boths?

[proud drift]

I choose right side horn facing left

Oh wait you can just drop a pillar on one of them lmfao

[vernal lion]

[proud drift]

Middle between 2 top pillars

Is deployable

[vernal lion]

yea

[proud drift]

Literal domino

[turbid badge]

i killed one and they killed the other snd they all exploded

this is how it feels like to have reed s3

[vernal lion]

[proud drift]

Horn is woke

[latent monolith]

Horn is very woke yes

Wait how does the horn angry effect look on her skin

[hollow forum]

the woke eye is white

instead of red

[astral oyster]

Woke ppl

[scarlet ledge]

[void kelp]

Who to replace?
Who to bring as supp? Help pls

[scarlet ledge]

@void kelp get thorns for bottom lane

[glass monolith]

I did Chalter bottom lane

Activate on sailor boat, deactivate, cope

But i was usign Ptilo to get S3 ready to next boat

i need to remember than 80% of my bullshit works on Ptilo carry alone

[dapper meadow]

ok so Gavalter + Suz completely immobilizes certain enemies at least, hadnt seen a complete stall before

[astral oyster]

Like perma rooted not even move?

[dapper meadow]

wonder if its just the treasure enemies, only time i recall seeing literally no movement'

[void kelp]

......

[dapper meadow]

yeah, it wasnt like the usual "slight move". The second he entered range, he was pulled to the spot in pic, and did not move a pixel

[tidal sedge]

gae

[void kelp]

Thank god i picked bagpipe s3

[astral oyster]

Boooo

Why no fail

[vital arrow]

They have 0 weight so they just permanently get shifted by gavial

[tidal sedge]

More gae

[void kelp]

Korekoso gaming

[tidal sedge]

Fail wen

[dapper meadow]

ahh ok, that makes sense

[glass monolith]

Your golems move?

[proud drift]

There were golems in ur stage?

[void kelp]

Didn't even know there was a golem lmao
Was expecting summer enemies not these guys

[glass monolith]

Well there are literally 2 towers from golem event

[sweet flower]

guys how to clear 11-5 AE

[latent monolith]

Who do you have? Are you willing to borrow?

If you want a cheesy solution lee in the front tile with a good medic (or multiple medics) supporting can duo the stage

[dapper meadow]

they nerfed SSS right? Also, cant believe im finally using Aak again, been ages

[latent monolith]

SSS was nerfed on mlynar release, it's been quite a while

[dapper meadow]

ahh yeah, forgot. Thats only like 1 or maybe 2 SSS resets though

Any of yall use Myl for core damage in SSS? What buffs yall prefer? Last reset iirc i just did 5x van (sometimes 4x van, 1x guard). Using 3x van/2x guard this run, i think it seems much easier but could be misremembering

[main halo]

Another pain in the ass stage

[soft crystal]

5 guard B mlynar is the way

For overkill damage

[dapper meadow]

better than cycling the skill faster, or a combo of the two? I might just prefer the extra SP regen, as a crutch since i dont really know wave timings

[soft crystal]

Vg ducks his damage potential because his trait takes 40 seconds to fully charge

It is technically better but it is overkill

Some vg is fine

[dapper meadow]

ohh i didnt think about trait, good call

[vital arrow]

Honestly either vg or guard is fine

[soft crystal]

A 5 vg mlynar will charge his trait to less than silverash numbers when used on cd

You can wait a bit though but its still something to think about

[vital arrow]

Tried both, guard hits harder but lower uptime

[soft crystal]

Guard B is better for Mlynar for optimal usw

But it is overkill

[vital arrow]

Vg has more uptime but doesn't hit as hard

You can always wait for his trait to charge up anyways

[dapper meadow]

ok yeah your right, definitely noticing a difference in damage using even 2x or 3x guard, vs 5x van and cycling faster

[soft crystal]

If you wait to max for his trait thats basically same uptime

[vital arrow]

You don't have to wait for max charge

[soft crystal]

Ofc you wouldnt wait for max but it feels like a waste

[vital arrow]

The point of giving vg stacks is to make his uptime more flexible

I usually prefer mix of vg/guard b anyways

Mlynar with 5vgs charges up his skill in like 15s, thats almost half of his trait charge

[dapper meadow]

either of yall use Gavalter alongside Myl, for synergy? Been using Mudrock for the most part, but Gavalter when i can

[vital arrow]

The synergy is overrated imo, any blocker does just as fine

[soft crystal]

I use chen

Lmao

[vital arrow]

Mudrock also has less maintenance than gavialt

[limpid siren]

Huh, this doesn't sound right

Tactical equipment applies to base stats, and is multiplicative with atk%

And in actual practice, having a liberator active more often trumps the lost trait atk%

[vital arrow]

Even a normal mlynar with half charge deals as much as SA

[limpid siren]

Lowering the cooldown is a meaningful shift

[soft crystal]

No i mean if you compare it to a silverash with 5vg too

[vital arrow]

But that means 90sp vs 42sp

[limpid siren]

Silverash's cycle is still so much slower yeah

[soft crystal]

I mean yeah

[limpid siren]

This isn't a clean comparison

No one sane is building silverash in sss

[soft crystal]

I will

[limpid siren]

My statement stands

[soft crystal]

Sss nerfed too hard anyways

[limpid siren]

Play 5* only then

[soft crystal]

Dont have enough ops for that

I guess i can try bibeak and tequila

And rockrcok

[proud drift]

SSS too hard
HG nerfs SSS by 1%/risklevel
SSS too nerfed

[limpid siren]

Haven't tried rockrock in sss yet

Don't really have high hopes though

[cyan gorge]

I have

[limpid siren]

Just st kinda dookie

[soft crystal]

Ya

I should build lava purg

[limpid siren]

Purgatory is based

[vital arrow]

Ignyus doing 5guard manticore?

[limpid siren]

Lol we tried that actually

It's so bad

[soft crystal]

Lol

[proud drift]

Wouldn’t aspd on manti be better

For perma slow

[vital arrow]

She already has permaslow

[limpid siren]

She already hits perma slow on s1

[proud drift]

Oh

[cyan gorge]

she can kill things between cycling stacks, but I always swap her when her skill ends

[proud drift]

[limpid siren]

But s2 doesn't really want aspd anyway

[soft crystal]

Yeah what will slow do

[limpid siren]

There are just better targets all around

[vital arrow]

Goofy ahh 5s atk interval

[soft crystal]

When even if you slow them forever, theyll still reach your blockers with no damage taken

[proud drift]

Well you should have some dps hitting them

While they’re slowed

[limpid siren]

Leizi with aspd is probably the best 5* dps in sss with no context on the rest of your draft

[vital arrow]

5sniper leizi sounds kinda good (?)

Or mix of sniper/caster/vg

[limpid siren]

4 sniper/1 X is fine

Even 3 is pretty fine, but more is more so you can just lazily stack 5 and call it a day

[main halo]

How long was it since Oofie got banned?

Same question goes for plebbel as well

[opal kiln]

very #strategy question

[main halo]

Absolutely

#strategy doesn't feel the same anymore

[limpid siren]

Yeah it's better now

[proud drift]

Pleb got banned around cc9 iirc

[main halo]

Jeez

[main halo]

You think?

[limpid siren]

I do

[main halo]

#strategy feels more orderly now but at the same time not as fun anymore but rules are rules so I can't really complain

[dapper meadow]

he got banned? what did he do lol

[limpid siren]

He's a toxic mf
He got banned for being a toxic mf

[dapper meadow]

wonder if hes the one i was arguing about Exusiai not being bad, and that just because other, newer operators are better doesnt make Exusai bad. Mind you, in the help channel, trying to give advice to new players, and they were being told Exusai ded.

[proud drift]

I mean the channel isn’t really meant to be for fun

[soft crystal]

Where is3

[main halo]

Rules are rules after all

[dapper meadow]

Sure, higher DEF enemies means she isnt as OP as she used to be, but she can still clear stages with competitive dmg

[soft crystal]

They still sprinkle in low def enemies though

[dapper meadow]

and still the goat in early episodes

[proud drift]

Not even rules, looking for fun in an elite environment isn’t the best idea

[soft crystal]

How else would vanguards deal with early part of the stages

[proud drift]

Simple

Bagpipe

[elder flume]

i find fun and demise when a mechanic appears

[proud drift]

Depends tho

Some stages tend to not have weak enemies early

But instead give prep time

Or DP

S9-2 being a very good recent example

[main halo]

Early weak enemies are also a form of preparation

For charger vgs

And whoever have offensive recovery skills

[proud drift]

Also dedicated to exu ppl tend to just work around high def

By having m3 shamare for example

And buffing exu a lot

[main halo]

People don't seem to use arts damage that much anyway

[astral oyster]

I just use sail to slam the flag onto any poor soul

[proud drift]

Because there’s only like 2-3 good consistent casters

[main halo]

You don't say

[proud drift]

And they’re all high rarity

[astral oyster]

Hell it gotten so bad that ifrit 1 tile works

[proud drift]

Does ch11 need much arts?

[astral oyster]

Do u have chalter and mlynar

[proud drift]

I have mlynar, but I won’t use chalter if I don’t have to

[main halo]

The rocket launchers are quite tough though

[proud drift]

It’s more that I’m suffering from success

[main halo]

So arts might be needed

[lethal dragon]

Only boss and artillery tbh

[proud drift]

I have so many units raised

That I dunno who to bring

[main halo]

If I ever need arts then I'll just use my M6 Suzuran

[astral oyster]

Artillery doesnt even get dmged by my pozy

[main halo]

And Pozy has pretty strong DEF shred

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648597785444220941/1094577454800195724/Lin_vs_Scud.gif

Lin useful (real)

[main halo]

Not even a scratch

[lethal dragon]

Pozy's dph is low that's why she gets fucked by Def easily

[astral oyster]

Wait pozy dph is low?

I consider it quite high

[lethal dragon]

1500 Def

So yeah it's low

[main halo]

And her typewriter?

[astral oyster]

Useless since i cleared thats stage alrd

[lethal dragon]

Typewriter has the more or less same dph

[storm current]

way less

[lethal dragon]

How much is the difference

[astral oyster]

I always thought pozy dph alrd high clearly i dont have enough experience with other units

[main halo]

Her base ATK isn't the highest

[glass monolith]

E2 60 mod 3 deployed next to Pozy typowriter barely kills those clown cars with 2 S3

[storm current]

pozy is 2733, typewriter si 2386

[lethal dragon]

Mod3?

[storm current]

yedss

[lethal dragon]

Ooh

[main halo]

How much HP does the artillery have?

They aren't exactly easy to kill

[lethal dragon]

Red one has 18k

[storm current]

use art

[glass monolith]

18k, 1500 def, 10 res

[storm current]

easy

[soft crystal]

I unbenched the doggo

[storm current]

steward has more dps than your pozy

[soft crystal]

For c11

[lethal dragon]

Or just use extremely high physical DMG kekw

[halcyon adder]

People trying to kill high def low res enemies with phys damage

[soft crystal]

Just use mlynar

[lethal dragon]

Me

[foggy grove]

mlynar dmg is art

[lethal dragon]

It's true DMG

[halcyon adder]

Outside of mlynar every physical dps struggles against those

[glass monolith]

Fia S2 kills them in 2 casts btw

[lethal dragon]

Chalter works kinda

[storm current]

gladiia > mountain

art dmg moment

[halcyon adder]

Fia I forgot existed tbh

[glass monolith]

This one car 3 tiles from ranged tile

[halcyon adder]

Gg world great against those cars, especially in 11 20

[lethal dragon]

I used spalter to bait

[frigid kite]

Not schwarz

[lethal dragon]

^^^

Please stop forgetting her

[main halo]

It's kinda ridiculous how Steward is kicking other casters ass who are of higher rarity

[lethal dragon]

She wins over pozy here

Easily

🥺

[soft crystal]

When is schwarz second mod anyways

🤌🏻 IS?

[frigid kite]

I want to know that too thank you

[storm current]

il siracusano ye

[soft crystal]

🍕

[frigid kite]

And VGs module?

[storm current]

also IS

[eager gate]

Wat Schwarz second mod even does?

[astral oyster]

Waiting for flagbearer module

[frigid kite]

I wonder if flametail can do red numbers with Module

[lethal dragon]

Big chunk of modifiers

[glass monolith]

Can't miss on frontal tiles

[soft crystal]

Even more damage

[frigid kite]

Would be cool

[eager gate]

ah yes miniature FT

[storm current]

theres 2 FT in game

[lethal dragon]

Wow that's rude to Schwarz

[eager gate]

isn't that just giving her Pozyomka mod instead of a personal one

[frigid kite]

3*

Fartooth, Flametail and Fiametta

[lethal dragon]

???I mean mods are shared between all branches

[storm current]

schwarz modY is technically stronger than pozy modY

[soft crystal]

Okay nobody calls Fiametta Ft

[main halo]

Yeah

[frigid kite]

I've seen

[eager gate]

Are they? I'm pretty sure none other chain casters have Leizi mod

Or Passenger's

[soft crystal]

Wdym

[eager gate]

she gets sp for hitting things

[soft crystal]

Theres two branches that have a shared base effect for every archetype

[ebon hedge]

I'm still gay

What happened to me

[storm current]

but who aksed

[frigid kite]

Ok

[ebon hedge]

The cure isn't qorking

[main halo]

Do Ptilopsis and Perfumer have the same module?

[storm current]

?

[ebon hedge]

Definitely not you, totallynotalolicon

[storm current]

good
you can go somewhere

[soft crystal]

The base effect of the modules of the same branch is same

[main halo]

This is kinda out of the blue

[ebon hedge]

@storm current ill go here

[storm current]

this is not #arknights

[lethal dragon]

Bruh moment
Base effects of all mods is shared
And there are two branches for each class's mod

[soft crystal]

The module upgrades are always different and dependent on the traita

[ebon hedge]

Fck

Sorry bout that

[frigid kite]

@ebon hedge do you need help with any stage?

[ebon hedge]

0 sanity moment

[lethal dragon]

Nah they have different branches

[frigid kite]

Oh

[storm current]

this is why you are image banned

[eager gate]

alright I get what you meant

[ebon hedge]

Probably clicked the wrong channel

Bye

[main halo]

Aren't both of them AoE healers?

[foggy grove]

...

[eager gate]

one is X mod, other is Y mod

[foggy grove]

module has mod x or y

[lethal dragon]

You see X and Y

That's the difference

[main halo]

Right right

I never noticed that

[lethal dragon]

There are two branches for each class's mod