strategy

[molten swan]

Compared to your previous place

[jovial nest]

i know

[molten swan]

Lmao

Now do it again

[jovial nest]

i was afraid my wave 3 would be bad so the throwers would appear near there

but now that i've cleared that

i get Wave 3 buff

[lethal dragon]

With super cache she will ignore 30 Res
So it becomes easier to correct Mandy 💢

[storm current]

i uh

kill mandragora without pillar

[near folio]

If only I had goldenglow

But banner gave me Sora instead

[jovial nest]

soloing time

[near folio]

Truly is soloing time

Why do people say that we should M3 Blemi’s S3 first?

[jovial nest]

Mephy's dead

[near folio]

[gleaming lodge]

because S2 is kind of bad

[jovial nest]

sounds like launch strats

[gleaming lodge]

it works

[storm current]

i mean

[gleaming lodge]

but there are way better laneholders

[storm current]

i cant comment on that since i literally never use blem before

[gleaming lodge]

and Blem S2 actively refuses help from your other ops

(if you want Kroos to help with DPS she is only going to attack half of the time, which isn't great)

[near folio]

Actually how good is Erato’s dps on sleeping enemies?

[gleaming lodge]

whereas S3 does cool damage, heals a darn lot (useful for Eun or Surtr) and lasts for quite a while

[main halo]

Finally a perfect clear

Took me long enough

[storm current]

[gleaming lodge]

now do it with only kazi ops

[storm current]

you prob can clear that without bringing any additional ops at all

[near folio]

Actually Blemi’s S2 is still quite strong at SL7, when defensive recovery is actually good

[storm current]

wdym by "finally a perfect clear"

[gleaming lodge]

"no leak"

[gleaming lodge]

Defensive recovery is decent

[sly pivot]

aak buff mountain s3 or sa for most damage

[near folio]

I will admit hammer guy in this event did surprise me by one shotting my Saria

[gleaming lodge]

but again, it actively refuses help

[main halo]

At highest difficulty?

[gleaming lodge]

CM conditions are a bit brutal this time around
iirc it's 30% for some reason

[main halo]

You really want to kill me

[gleaming lodge]

yes
I did it with the given ops + Ashlock

[near folio]

Kazi squad in this event is cracked beyond belief

[molten swan]

I mean its easily doable tbh

[jovial nest]

now it's ideal start.

[main halo]

Maybe I can try with FW as my extra

[near folio]

Thorni

[gleaming lodge]

it's probably possible to do it with only the 5 given ops

[near folio]

TN2 should be the hardest with only given ops

[storm current]

kazimier is strong af

[sly pivot]

its pretty easy to do it with the 5 given ops

[near folio]

And we dont talk about TN4

[gleaming lodge]

idk
try to live up to your name

[sly pivot]

ntr broken

she just kills the boss and leaves

[main halo]

I mean NTRK easy deal with warhammer while FW deals with bow

[near folio]

Wait

[main halo]

Gotta love her talent and module

[storm current]

me when car solo

[near folio]

Does Wild Mane with Zofia kill the bow?

[storm current]

[main halo]

Nope

[storm current]

uh

[main halo]

Impossible

[storm current]

dont bother with zofia boss kill

mob is fine

[near folio]

Actually u probably have enough time to spawnkill both with ntr

The bow guy takes a while to walk

[storm current]

maria and zofia are better as lane holder

since you know

the other 3 are designed to kill

:w

[near folio]

Think maria has a good chance of soloing corrupted knight

[lethal dragon]

You can surtr the bow twice

[storm current]

uh

you can also use maria to nuke hammer

since defense ignore

[gleaming lodge]

nope

never

not with the enraged buff

[near folio]

You can leave the withered knight alive

[jovial nest]

Wow.....my bait worked....
well it wasn't planned

[gleaming lodge]

normal Bow Bro, sure, but not with the buff

[jovial nest]

i call it accidental bait

she dragged that pillar TO her

[near folio]

You can hold NTR for withered

Then let maria slowly kill corrupted

[storm current]

me when car solo (again)

[gleaming lodge]

that's kind of the entire strat vs her, yes

[jovial nest]

yeah so many awkward column spots

you have to make her drop it to her

[near folio]

Congratulations on beating ultimate trial

[jovial nest]

thanks

[lethal dragon]

[jovial nest]

I'll just cheese these with Kazimierz Spectacular

their buff is just too godlike

[main halo]

Is it me or CS seems tougher than usual?

[jovial nest]

ultimate?

or spectacular?

either way her skill cooldown is almost inexistent

in those

[main halo]

She can't be silenced either

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669489344658014208/1066456479172927538/IMG_9386.png

[jovial nest]

170

percent

the hell

[lethal dragon]

That poison must
M8-8 cm flashbacks

[storm current]

(died anyway)

[lethal dragon]

[storm current]

i mean

its still easy

since you dont actually have to hold lane like m8-8

[lethal dragon]

Yeah but I had to retry

[main halo]

When all fails

[storm current]

you can just nuke

[main halo]

Use Chalter

[storm current]

enemies are slow

[lethal dragon]

Gladiia with spalter didn't live

This one tho

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/897704746142560306.gif

[main halo]

And just like that CS died

When all fails, use Chalter

[lethal dragon]

Pozy>>

[jovial nest]

I love that Poze is now an alternate for ranged physical nuking

if you don't need the slow or AoE of Chalter

....or

USE BOTH

oh Bladehelms HATE GG

whoops

forgot to deploy at leat 50 ops

lmao

[near folio]

Im just glad they didnt throw in companion blades and shields

[jovial nest]

[glass monolith]

We heard you love pillaring so we removed them

[near folio]

H9-6 made me hate the companion duo

They are a nightmare if most of your team is lower rarities

[storm current]

uh

[gleaming lodge]

nice username

[glass monolith]

There is no duo if you kill one

[near folio]

Wow they really wanted this annihilation to be beatable

4 pillars all ready to drop on mandra

Meanwhile H9-6: 0 pillars to drop on her

[glass monolith]

There was 5 pillars

She ate one already

Also i just love how both S3 Goldenglow (If you killed taunts) and S2 Ambriel (when archers cease existence) hate Mandra

[whole crater]

She ate

[near folio]

Im still confused why they removed mines from H7-4

They really wanted to sell their balans operators

[whole crater]

Bc its too easy to kill if mines

Patrick just straight up moves in a straight line

[near folio]

Its still easy to set up 15 mines to kill phase 1 in 7-18

The f2p option

[whole crater]

Yea but imagine u go in blind

H74 u can see even when first time

[near folio]

Finishing stages blind was never an option if you play with weaker comps

Thats why guides exists on yt

Because normal players are either unwilling to or are unable to optimise stages to that extent

[eager gate]

Is the entire toron mine's theme gonna be building phys dmg?

[mild whale]

me still go full art dmg

[radiant plinth]

lol

[storm current]

Toron mine is high def enemies

Go figure

[jovial nest]

Gnosis and Kazi Blem?

[solemn anvil]

especially with those sand shielded enemies

[gleaming lodge]

you can do it by hitting over 10k physical per hit

but that's not a great way to do it

[glass monolith]

Iron Cobra laughting at us.... Until Amiya module is released and he (Assuming he followed Danbo steps ) unlocked guardbnuuy checkpoint to do JT8-3 (making him legit target for moduling operator)

[mild whale]

bibeak

[jovial nest]

good point

[eager gate]

these crabs tanked entire Carne s2 AND Eyja s2 bombarding them, then walked out to bluebox

[gleaming lodge]

what's your lineup

[jovial nest]

So i should go with Spectacular Chen squad?

Cause that's really the best way to abuse it

[glass monolith]

Are you talking about RESIST WHILE NOT BLOCKED KEKW surfers?

I'm pretty sure i call them lobsters

[gleaming lodge]

no this is about SSS

[eager gate]

the normal ass metal crabs with their casual S res

[glass monolith]

Oh 85 ass res

[gleaming lodge]

wait are you on stage 3 ?

[glass monolith]

More res than any enemy outside +90 res risk in CC?

[near folio]

Preparing for all possible threats in chapter 9 be like:

[storm current]

Uh

Arent you running 4vg mudrock to deal with them

[gleaming lodge]

plastic crossbowmen have 95 RES with shield

[gleaming lodge]

or 4vg Horn S1

in short
what is your squad ?

[storm current]

Hey squid, can you check if 5vg horn can keep up with her interval

[gleaming lodge]

she does

[storm current]

Or is 4vg ideal

[eager gate]

I'm playing around arts dmg from Carne, Eyja and Ange
build them with 1 sniper, 4 sp
And there's usually Specter on the ground, for stalling purposes

[glass monolith]

SAY AGAIN (Pull out Aciddrop)

[eager gate]

so I just kinda cycle all 3 until everything dies

[gleaming lodge]

iirc 4vg works
almost
she fires a normal bullet every 8 hits or something, I didn't count

[upper crane]

where to deploy my laneholder in anni 14
they keep dying to sinking sand/sharpedge due to not killing it fast enough

[storm current]

Should be fine consider she wont likely fire all the time

Uh

[gleaming lodge]

yeah pretty much
she has charges :hoggers:

[storm current]

You should check afk strat

Theres plenty depend on if you have ifrit or not

[upper crane]

[storm current]

Its fairly easy to afk since you get the same enemies for the first 300

[upper crane]

laso does this anni have "free" in it?

[storm current]

No boss

Also

[upper crane]

nice anni no boss

[storm current]

Free is WR boss

The map is IW theme

[molten swan]

They stopped adding bosses into anni since like

[upper crane]

wait owh yeah

[molten swan]

Long ago

[upper crane]

[molten swan]

Oh wait nvm

[eager gate]

angry halberd bois probably hit pretty close to BK kek

[molten swan]

Literally last anni had bk

At least he’s a twink compared to sharpedge’s swing

[storm current]

Bloodknight is tankable

Hes just annoying cuz stun

[sand venture]

on phase 2 only defenders can do that

[molten swan]

Just sandwich

[upper crane]

im imagining anni in IW theme but with sui xiang as boss

[molten swan]

Or surtr

[storm current]

Dude

[molten swan]

Skull

[storm current]

Mudrock die to sharpedge

That should explain enough

[whole crater]

Just use s3 noob

[upper crane]

so its impossible to tank sharpedge or sinkingsand?

[molten swan]

Uhh no?

It’s still possible

[upper crane]

with tute- i mean quora?

[molten swan]

Sure?

She’ll only get two shotted

Better than being one

[upper crane]

i didn't have quora built tho

[solemn anvil]

when does sharpedges consume the broken blades? what animation?

[storm current]

On hit

[sand venture]

when it pass through it

[solemn anvil]

those are 2 very different answers

[molten swan]

Ok so tldr on sharpedge mechanic

[upper crane]

when it touch it?

[molten swan]

It has funny floating blades that makes its attacks hit hard

When it attacks once, it takes away one floaty blade

[latent monolith]

It spawns with a set amount

[molten swan]

When it’s out of blades it hits like a twink

[sand venture]

I miss read that

[storm current]

Btw, each stack give 80%

[molten swan]

Now’s the fun part

[storm current]

Eh

[upper crane]

also if i pull an enemy to a hole does the smaller enemy spawn or they dies along with the host?

[sand venture]

its the 4 Blades floating Around it

[storm current]

Base sharpedge has 1350 atk

[latent monolith]

They die

[molten swan]

If it dies without floaty blades it spawns one knife

[storm current]

Each stack give 80%

[molten swan]

However

[storm current]

Do the math and you will see

[latent monolith]

Unless the big one dies on the shifting skill

[molten swan]

Every floaty blade remaining when it dies

[upper crane]

nice then

[molten swan]

Will also be converted into one knife

[storm current]

5k dmg for the first hit on first attack

[molten swan]

So you either tank it to kill less knives

[sand venture]

wouldnt it be better to spawn camp the Sharpedge?

[solemn anvil]

i thought its the opposite from the wording,more attack = more damaj

[storm current]

Good luck tanking that

[molten swan]

Or you kill right off the bat and kill more knives

[storm current]

Well duh

[upper crane]

5k

[storm current]

Thats the main strat for the anni

Spawn camping

[molten swan]

Mhm hmm

[upper crane]

5K

[molten swan]

IW enemies are mostly spawncamping the enemies and killing off the remains later

[sand venture]

On my first run on the new Anni the floating Dragon is the on killing my OPs

[storm current]

They can

[sand venture]

I forgot that it can be Resisted

[solemn anvil]

that tends to happen when waterboarding

[jovial nest]

Welp. I'm done. Thanks for all the recommendations.

[molten swan]

Floating dragons

Those are easy as hell to deal with tbh

I just gladiia s1’ed them and all my problems disappeared

[glass monolith]

Enemy: Spawns
Doctuh: See your mistake?

[tawny mica]

So basically like phantom s2 then

[sand venture]

I used nun instead

[storm current]

Well yes

But at a much greater threat

[molten swan]

Well yes it kinda works like that

But actually dangerous

[solemn anvil]

if phantom does 5k damage ?

[molten swan]

And not the goofy ahh version of an edgy cathoy

[tawny mica]

Very dangerous yes I saw what happened when it landed a hit

[glass monolith]

It is Phantom which strike for 190% damage 3 times and then keep slapping for 100% which is still 4 digit

[storm current]

The first hit deal 5670 dmg
2nd deal 4590
3rd deal 3510
4th deal 2430
5th and beyond deal 1350

[molten swan]

Wait what

Uhhh

Pretty sure it doesnt work like that

[storm current]

is my math wrong

[molten swan]

It only says it gets atk when holding blades

It doesnt stack

[storm current]

Oh

[sand venture]

ammo

[glass monolith]

He meant liek S2 Phantom than stacks go away, not literally accumulating

[storm current]

Then deal 2430 the first 4 attack

[molten swan]

Mhm pretty much

[solemn anvil]

skalter s1 can tank it?

[storm current]

Uh

[molten swan]

Uhh

[storm current]

You would be using skalter s2

[glass monolith]

My S2 Heavyrain had better time at tanking them than S3 Eunectes Heavyrain procing 20% dodge never gets old

[sand venture]

the dude atks fast

[molten swan]

1215 damage

I hope your skalt can soak that much

4 times

And still be alive

I’d wager she will

[tawny mica]

Probably not

[solemn anvil]

im just saying theoretically

[molten swan]

Since def exists

[tawny mica]

Might as well get a specter s2

[glass monolith]

Then multiply by there being 4 of those things

[tawny mica]

[molten swan]

Nah she will

Defense exists

[jovial nest]

either way, that S1M3 Cantabile I just trained was immediately used in TN-4 lulz

[molten swan]

She soaks damage after calculation

[tawny mica]

[molten swan]

Not before

And her hp pool on s1 is incredibly bloated

For a ranged unit anyway

But why bother doing that when you can just spawncamp

It’s really a last resort

[solemn anvil]

because i want to give spotlight to niche ops

[storm current]

Uh
Nice niche

[solemn anvil]

literally every anni i look at the stage and went "what weird shenanigan ops i can use?"

[latent monolith]

Well we have gladiia this anni

[sand venture]

Full male ops run

[molten swan]

Why bother eh

[solemn anvil]

used mostima + rosmo for this anni

[storm current]

Do you consider weedy s2 niche

[molten swan]

Just do a scuffed no borrow 400 clear and dip for me

[storm current]

Since her niche is pretty useful here

Also s1 gladiia

And uh

Ethan s1

Should be enough niche ops anyway

[eager gate]

this anni is actually pretty fun for Warfarin talent shenanigans

[storm current]

Is it

I heard furniture does not give sp

[solemn anvil]

its mostly niche in the sense i dont use them normally

[storm current]

Well yea

Thats why

Gladiia s1 ethan s1 weedy s2

[eager gate]

I dunno why Irene had s3 every wave if they don't

[mild whale]

must be repel control

late reply tho

[jovial nest]

yeah gnosis was unnecessary

bibeak on chen squad was better for that mission

as in

she solos the requirement

and the chen squad Trial 2

also gives those 4 SP batteries

perfect

[sand venture]

have anyone tried Chen Squad on TN-4?

[molten swan]

I did

It was fun

[mild whale]

Kami squad is too op for Tn4 too lazy to try something else

[molten swan]

But a little redundant

[soft crystal]

I used chen squad on ultimate

[molten swan]

I managed kazi squad to mandra but fell a little short

(Yess diff 4)

[soft crystal]

Even brought some extra off recov operators on d4

Irene getting the sp buff

With chen

[mild whale]

tho seeing Pat dies in 10s is fun

[eager gate]

how fast does Fia get s2 with both Chen and Chetto?

[sand venture]

I wonder if Chen can perma stun Patriot

[jovial nest]

finally done with the EX of the event, TN, and SSS secret medals. I can finally do IS2 again for Ending 4 hunting and getting all new relics

[storm current]

I think chen squad will be better against mandragora

[soft crystal]

P1 patriot probably

[storm current]

Since they can actually hit air

[jovial nest]

Oh yeah good point

Kazimierz won't need to carry as hard

in Patriot and Mephy

due to the superbuffs

Chen squad just has to deal with CS

[storm current]

Oh yea

[mild whale]

chen and Bibeak can perma stun CS right ?

[storm current]

I think bibeak can perma stun CS

Yea

[soft crystal]

Sort of but

[jovial nest]

nah

[soft crystal]

S1 chen is a waste.

[storm current]

Using aspd buff

[jovial nest]

well

yeah

Bibeak ATTACKING CS idle

will fuel her real fast

with ASPD buffs

add Chen on the side

ready to S3 CS

[storm current]

Oh yea i forgot

You can double sp device onto irene

[near folio]

Chen squad cant bypass defenses

[soft crystal]

Better brong warfarin for chen

[storm current]

Well yea

[soft crystal]

Bring*

[sand venture]

the one I like using is the Redep UPGRADE

[storm current]

But mandragora has hardly defense

[jovial nest]

hmmmm, too risky? But i guess at least that would deal with Mandra somewhat?

[storm current]

Especially when you pick aspd buff

[near folio]

Most of chen squad is useless against flying mandragora

[soft crystal]

Patriot gets one shot with s3 chen woth super buffs

[storm current]

You know

[jovial nest]

Bibeak only can deal with flying mandra

[soft crystal]

[sand venture]

Dmg Reduction is her defense

[jovial nest]

so bring Poze

[storm current]

Kazimier squad literally cant attack air

So

[molten swan]

Lmao

[storm current]

@sand venture dmg reduction apply to everything

[sand venture]

PILLARS exist

[near folio]

Maybe if you superbuff chen s3 you could oneshot after dropping the pillar on mandra

[molten swan]

Uhhh

[jovial nest]

gues show to use it

through suicidal strats

[molten swan]

The stone shield only reduces phys arts

[storm current]

No that was as in defense =/= dmg reduction

[mild whale]

and true dmg

[soft crystal]

Just warf and the max chen and the def reduction for chen she will oneshot mandra if shws grounded.

Shes*

[storm current]

Hmm

[sand venture]

Sacrifice is Necessary

[molten swan]

Lmao

[storm current]

I think you can even out stall mandra using NG

[near folio]

The main problem with chen squad is you have one definitely useless operator and one operator who is used too less

[storm current]

And use irene to dps her down

[jovial nest]

problem is, you gamble if its laser or not

and if laser....there goes the bait

[near folio]

I only used bibeak to kill the 2 drones after patriot died lol

[storm current]

Since -aspd shouldnt affect s3 right

[sand venture]

I wonder if u can do that on Ult mode

[near folio]

With Saria S1 and warf alongside ng it might be possible

[jovial nest]

Ohhhhh. I only used Canta S1M2

.....

[tawny mica]

You figure jaye s2m3 with a healer is enough to stall mandragora phase 1?

[jovial nest]

goddammit!

[tawny mica]

Including tanking lasers

[storm current]

No way

[near folio]

If he doesnt get killed in two ticks

[storm current]

-aspd is too huge

[jovial nest]

I forgot how insane Mandra's laser is

fast DoT

AND -ASPD

it's so goddamn slow

[storm current]

You may be able to do that if jaye isnt tanking the laser

[sand venture]

on Ult Mode it just DELETES ops

[jovial nest]

its like it beats slow/freeze

[jovial nest]

well for you maybe

for me i saw 2-3 pulses

before death

[tawny mica]

Hard to make that happen since jaye buffs include attack so it's naturally gonna be higher than most

[sand venture]

it can melt NTRk

[tawny mica]

Unless active skills

[sand venture]

which can survive it on hard

[tawny mica]

Can it be interrupted by stuns?

[sand venture]

no

[storm current]

Shes immuned to stun

[tawny mica]

[storm current]

And silence

[sand venture]

can be interrupted by PILLAR men I think

[molten swan]

Yes

[tawny mica]

Im thinking phantom baits with s2 due to his s2 damage buff to redirect laser aggro

[molten swan]

Thats the only thing

[storm current]

You can use ng cage ye

[near folio]

Another problem with chen squad is harder spawnkilling

[molten swan]

What

I just chen s3 and retreat

10k free damage on mandra woo yeah

[jovial nest]

takes 1 slot but worth it. Although NG's S3M3 still can't save from laser. Goddamn thing's lethal on ult

[sand venture]

Patriot

[near folio]

Wont it do near nothing to a shielded mandragora?

[storm current]

Nah

[jovial nest]

I just realized....

[storm current]

Its still plenty of dmg

[sand venture]

the only thing gave me problem on TN-4 is the Gargoyles

[storm current]

Since mandragora is no defense

[jovial nest]

Mandra + EB must be the most toxic thing I can think of....alongside Playwright

[storm current]

Just bloated hp and dmg reduction

[jovial nest]

[tall sierra]

Any ultimate trial ez and comfy clear?

[near folio]

They all die to lappland

[sand venture]

its just DMG reduction

she doesnt have that much hp

[storm current]

You know

[near folio]

It depends on stage layout

[storm current]

They all get a buff

[sand venture]

I literally Cleared ult with PHYSICAL dmg

[near folio]

It sounds real bad if mandra and EB walks down the same lane

[storm current]

@tall sierra kazimier, surtr GG pozy work for me

[tall sierra]

Mandrake laser is too stronk

[storm current]

Also aspd buff

[near folio]

But if mandra and EB walks separate ways its basically just fighting mandra while stalling EB

[storm current]

The strat is basically

Nuke CS with pozy surtr

Nuke patriot with kazimier

[near folio]

I used kazimierz

[storm current]

While holding lane with blem s2

Nuke memphisto

[tall sierra]

Surtr stop for few sec in right side right

[storm current]

Nuke 2nd phase

[jovial nest]

put Playwright on a spot that's bantiles on 2 tile range around him

[storm current]

Then deploy GG with 2sp device

@tall sierra nah

Mid lane is best for her imo

Then right side camp with pozy

[tall sierra]

Eh i tho blem can hold her own even with s1

[storm current]

Yea but i prefer s2

[sand venture]

kinda sad that my first clear on Ult have 2 leak

[near folio]

Material Antagonizer can be the toughest boss in the game if the enemy pathing in IC-EX 8 was changed

[jovial nest]

that's called winning, son

no need to perfect stuff

[storm current]

GG +2 sp device carry hard on 3rd and 4th wave

Basically kill everything in 3rd wave herself

And does a lot of dps to mandragora

[near folio]

Gargoyles be like:

[jovial nest]

material antagonizer felt like....what if Rat King is flying and has more toxic skills to abuse

and also has an HP inside him

that doesn't burn

[near folio]

Its actually so bad if u let it live

The dps is comparable to talulah

[jovial nest]

well, i barely felt it due to NG

[near folio]

With how many healers you need to sustain it

3 years of arknights and I still don’t have NG

[tall sierra]

Mandrake at phase 2 she almost doesnt move when atking @@

[eager gate]

Catching this proc was unreasonably hard on phone for some reason

[jovial nest]

call it the slow movement speed of flight

they had to make her slower

when flying

[storm current]

idk why did i hear it doesnt multiple time

[jovial nest]

or else....she'd feel like CS

except flying

[storm current]

But idk never bother doing the anni again after first clear

[tall sierra]

So... Kazimier team + surtr, poz, gg, ptilopsis?

[near folio]

Ptilo might not be needed

[storm current]

You do NG if you have her

[near folio]

U can go with suzu or saria for more amp

[storm current]

Or mudrock

Or anyone you like

Pozy can dps hard against mandragora too

I tried mudrock

[tall sierra]

Sad mandra recover fast after getting hit by rocc

[storm current]

But she isnt neccessary to hold lane

[tall sierra]

In p2

[near folio]

If u use blemi s2 u dont need to bring mudrock

[storm current]

Yea i just kill her without pillar using pozy GG

Cantabile should be nice for sp device too

The bonus drone i mean

Exu also does a lot of dmg to mandrake if you take aspd buff

[near folio]

Honestly for TN-4 u dont need to tryhard with cantabile

[tall sierra]

I know

[storm current]

Since -200 def is huge on mandra who doesnt have a lot of def

[near folio]

U basically dont need to use pozy for mephisto stage

So I use pozy to kill the 2 drones

[tall sierra]

But i dunno if she good in ultimate trial coz bosses get stats boost

[storm current]

Its hp boost

Lol

Also atk and cooldown reduction

[near folio]

Atk max hp and def

[cursive wedge]

made another bad financial decision

[storm current]

Exu m1 still did fine

Even without other buff

Oh yea i like fw for tn4 too

Since memphisto and mandrake are range

[near folio]

Ur not the only one

[cursive wedge]

[neat skiff]

At least Poz is worth it. Plus SA used to be worth it.

[near folio]

Those extra points of defense on gavial will pay off trust

[tall sierra]

Will this work?

[neat skiff]

You're the one using a centurion.

[near folio]

Hmm

[near folio]

Where ur dp coming from?

[tall sierra]

Oh then i bring myrtle

[cursive wedge]

u don’t need flags in tn

[near folio]

Still nice to have

So u can spam ur squad multiple times in one room

[cursive wedge]

thorns surtr carry

easy

[lethal dragon]

Gladiia the cooler thorns carry

[near folio]

Its fun just watching wild mane do her stuff

[jovial nest]

The only time I needed Thorns was to kill what remains of Mandragora near exit of Wave 4

outside of that

Blem just carried the other waves

[lethal dragon]

Bullying CS even in TN

[near folio]

U can use him to lanehold if u put him bottom face up, of course u need an actual blocker to catch the enemies

[storm current]

You will be fine without a vanguard

Especially when you are not using mudrock

[near folio]

Mudrock 72 cost

[sand venture]

having no Vanguard using the Redep Upgrade is PAIN

[storm current]

Mines 70

[jovial nest]

you really don't need Mudrock in TN4

[near folio]

Yeah

[jovial nest]

Blem carries hard in Kazi team

[near folio]

I just like to have myrtle on my squad cause I do over the top nuke setups

Like this

[jovial nest]

I had a Cantabile

so that's no worries for me

[near folio]

Without myrtle I would have been squeezed dry

[jovial nest]

alongside free nuke-worthy WM

[near folio]

I still havent built cantabile

[storm current]

I did something quite simple

Spam wildmane for talent

Also stall the round out for redeployment cooldown

[sand venture]

gravel with 0 Cost is fun to use

[frigid kite]

A lot

[proud drift]

skalter tho..?

[frigid kite]

Moral support

[mild whale]

that's kinda overkill

also better use skalter s3. you're using frd buff anyway. or bring something else

[wary wing]

what are the stats increases for spectacular and ultimate?

[gleaming lodge]

It's around 30% everything for spectacular
And another 30% for bosses on ultimate

(don't quote me on that)

[mild whale]

no wonder why blemi dies after 2 Pat attack in 2nd phase even with s3 on

[frigid kite]

Also more enemies appear on patriot stage

[agile ember]

I assume that you are given the cart one-way road thing in ic ex5? I have this weird thing where it isn't in my roster

I can't deploy it

[frigid kite]

You have to make your own highway with your operators

[neat skiff]

You use the +2 or +4 module...

[glass monolith]

EX-3 CM is only stage which forced me to swap from Fist + -50% to -50% + 4 one-ways

(And well 0 operators IC-7 auto with -50% and EXPLOSION )

[manic mesa]

Best preset team for TN-4?

[frigid kite]

Kazimierz with re use

If you're using the full team + your operators kazimierz with atk speed buff

[manic mesa]

I did orientation with kazimierz with both option, but DP feels a bit tight with attack speed buff

[frigid kite]

Then try with re use

[manic mesa]

A bit tough to get Pozy+Surtr+NTR for second phase of last boss

[sharp chasm]

If you struggle with dp, you may use one of the sp regenerators on a vanguard maybe? Didn't try TN-4 ultimate but i didn't have any problem with dp until now

[wary wing]

surtr ntr
mandragora phase 2

you ok bro?

[royal knoll]

anyone have lvl 80 silverash?

wanna see how many levels you need for solo ic9

[glass monolith]

41 slash for 1 boss and 2 boss shields. Will i be bored enough to math it out?

[frigid kite]

Yes

[royal knoll]

my lvl 60 sa brought it down to maybe 1/5th hp on drone

[frigid kite]

1 schwing, 2 schwing, 3 schwing...

[tall sierra]

Fuuuuuuuuu

Leaked 1 gargoyle

[glass monolith]

Should have killed app quicker

[neat skiff]

Is there even a penalty for leaking?

[tall sierra]

Nope

Almost got perfect run

But was too focused on mandrake to see a leaked gargoyle

[mild whale]

when do people start and finish counting time for speed run record ? the moment dp start increasing and "mission complete" pop-up ?

[tall sierra]

Can still earn regularly rite

Like clear tn1 hard mode get 120 per run?

[surreal relic]

120 is first clear only, it's 45 per run on Spectacular Trial

[frigid kite]

https://www.speedrun.com/arknights/thread/hzrnj/1#ohgb0

[sharp chasm]

Why did they remove the pillar there

[frigid kite]

They hate you (probably)

[sharp chasm]

Nevermind, will certainly get her next time with stat bonus thing on early chapters

[frigid kite]

Which bonus?

Ah the orange thing

[near folio]

This TN makes me want to see a trial with Rusthammer Warrior, Frozen Monstrosity and Gravestone

[radiant plinth]

TN-4 CM sucks

[old pecan]

So for the event, if your car has one of the SP giving elixirs, does the car have to pass through your operator or just pass by to give SP

[latent monolith]

SP needs the car to pass through

aspd/heal does not

[old pecan]

For sure, thanks friend

[near folio]

There’s a CM? Or you meant ultimate trial?

[uncut rapids]

Help seems a bit bogged down so figured I'd ask my reroll question here as a new player: what's the benefit of dupes vs other 6 stars starting off (for example one account with Gavail and Pozyemka, and one with 2x Pozyemka)?

[fickle zephyr]

-1 dp cost isn't really great, better to try for different ops

[royal knoll]

dupes aren't that good and i'd rather have another op

dupes only matter if it's like super hard content anyway

[radiant plinth]

I don’t know what it’s called but it’s basically a CM

[uncut rapids]

Perfect, then my best roll so far is probably the following, I'll post my roll list a bit later to confirm (note I've only listed 5 and 6 star):

Gavail, Pozyemka, SilverAsh, Cantabile, Tsukinogi, Projekt Red

[royal knoll]

that's pretty good, tsukinogi isn't though

[uncut rapids]

Yeah I was just listing all 5 and 6* operators

[uncut rapids]

Trying to get a starting roll with Gavail, Pozyemka, and Chen (though maintaining Cantabile and SilverAsh might be difficult).

[frigid kite]

You're perfect go with this

[analog kiln]

trying to get all 3 including chalter? gl, no idea if u can get it before the banner ends

[sharp chasm]

Chalter rate is very low, getting all three is super hard tbh

[uncut rapids]

Yeah it's 2% base for a 6* so only 0.1% to get 3 rolls, and then even less for it to be an even split...now that I'm re-running the math I think this is the one to go with

[analog kiln]

chalter isnt equal rate to the rest btw
its far lower

[uncut rapids]

Right, I only got her in one roll 🤣

[sharp chasm]

That's for gavial and pozy, chalter is like random off-banner, only her chance is 5x, still very low

[uncut rapids]

I can post the other rolls if people want to weigh in?

[analog kiln]

wtf u actually got it

thats insane luck already lmao

[regal epoch]

Ok so any idea how to do tn-4 ultimate trail?

[sharp chasm]

Tbh i'm not sure if i'd go with chalter or pozy+gavial

[uncut rapids]

Roll: Chalter, Hoshiguma, Cantabile, Zima, Nearl

That was the roll with Chalter

[royal knoll]

i'd still go with chalter

[sharp chasm]

Kazimierz team with reuse, possibly add surt for bosses and chalter for clearing

[royal knoll]

i'm using kazi + thorns + surtr + ng + suzu + skalter

[sharp chasm]

Is hoshi from beginner?

[regal epoch]

I can't kill crown slayer, normally I could just chalter her till now but with the boost in hp not even chalter+warf isn't enough

[royal knoll]

it's more than enough unless not m3

[sharp chasm]

Do you have surtr?

[uncut rapids]

Yep, all the rolls I've listed have just the initial event 10x, the free reroll, and 10x beginner

[regal epoch]

Fuck I knew I forgot something

[frigid kite]

Lol

[sharp chasm]

You definitely need surtr for mandragora with 1 less pillar

[royal knoll]

holy fuck, the starfish is broken

[regal epoch]

Normally I abused her with ntrk s3 but yea you're right

[timid acorn]

I use this for ultimate because kazimiers alone couldnt handle mandra anymore with one less pillar and no anti air

but other than mandra kazimiers can take care of everything

by themselves

[royal knoll]

well that's something

[sharp chasm]

It's close call but chalter is on whole different level, i'd probably go with that

[regal epoch]

So thats how you guys do it huh

[regal epoch]

She's like the win button

If you have a good battery as well she can do the whole game by herself

[royal knoll]

chalter doesn't need a battery bro

[uncut rapids]

Interesting, I'll see if by the end of today I get a better roll with her then!

[frigid kite]

IMO having Pozy + Gavialter is better

[royal knoll]

she's that good

[sharp chasm]

The only bad thing starting with chalter is probably you won't learn how to play the game, it would be probably like idle game lol

[regal epoch]

I just prefer to have her skill up 24/7 that's all

[regal epoch]

I had this problem, I just cheesed everything with exu and ntrk till ch 4 where I had to learn more about the mechanics

[royal knoll]

wait they removed a pillar in tn-4 ultimate

oh well there goes my entire strat

[regal epoch]

...

[sharp chasm]

You gotta helidrop as soon as she moves, and cycle as fast as you can, hopefully before first pillar

[royal knoll]

NVM thorns is broken

[regal epoch]

He is indeed

[royal knoll]

saved my run

[regal epoch]

I still remember how people were screaming at me to m3 his s3

[uncut rapids]

I'm not too worried about learning the strategy later in the game, just looking to have the best start as a new player in terms of building for late game content

[regal epoch]

Then go for chalter, if I have to say chalter/surtr/mlyner(soon to be released) are the best ops you can have

And SA but he's a standard so you can have a lot of chances to get him

[royal knoll]

i'd say thorns / chalter / surtr is best start

but thats super unlikely

that's something you can only hope for in a dream

[regal epoch]

True but the thing is that all three of them need to me e2 to be used at max potential

Surtr can be used for s2 as well but the rest are the best at s3

[analog kiln]

pozy is fine at e1 imo

not good ofc but fine

[uncut rapids]

So if I get Chalter and Pozy...that's like the god roll as a starting character then. Or would Gavalter be a better second to Chalter?

[analog kiln]

just keep either and dont think about it, that reroll is rare asf as is already, whatever comes first u keep

[royal knoll]

chalter + 1 is really good anyways

[frigid kite]

Having a sniper + a Centurión will help you on all stages

[uncut rapids]

That's fair lol, and don't worry about Cantabile either then

[regal epoch]

If I have to say the best would be chalter & gavalter

[royal knoll]

i think it's chalter and pozy tbh

[regal epoch]

You still need a good melee op so yea

But as everyone has thier own playstyle this type of debate its useless

[analog kiln]

i would also say chalter and pozy
chalter galter becomes better if u get mlynar later though

[uncut rapids]

Right, if it's not one way over the other then I'm not too worried. I'm just surprised that Chalter out weights the roll I posted above. I thought Pozy and the crew might be better but I guess it comes down to availability

[royal knoll]

well that, but she's like super broken

[analog kiln]

I would have kept the pozy galter SA rr without thinking

[regal epoch]

Well to be fair you can get chalter once a year and she's the second most broken op in the game

[frigid kite]

Chalter is one of the best AoE options there are

[analog kiln]

but im not the biggest fan of rring

[frigid kite]

Until mlynar arrives

[neat skiff]

Even with Mlynar Chalter still keeps her throne.

[regal epoch]

Just a few months right

[frigid kite]

Probably, i'd say 1.5 to 2 months or less

[regal epoch]

Mlynar can't hit aerial targets right

[analog kiln]

mlynar hits air

[regal epoch]

Damn I'll be broke when he comes

[frigid kite]

It depends on how they decide to re order the events

[analog kiln]

we still need CC10 DH rerun and DV before mlynar
unless they push something back

[neat skiff]

The schedule is all out of whack so we will need to see.

[frigid kite]

And the other intermezzi

To be continued

[neat skiff]

But yeah, even though Mlynar hits air Chalter still has ammo, has reasonably good auto attacks outside her skills, plus we've seen how well she works with even the worst tile layouts.

[regal epoch]

That's true she can hit anything from anywhere almost

[uncut rapids]

Thank you everyone for the feedback! Will be hitting the bluestack farm when I get back to see if I get lucky again!

[frigid kite]

Nah, she's only there to kill the boss but still give her Mod3

[lethal dragon]

Expensive mod2 is enough

[neat skiff]

Ehh, I wouldn't call her mod upgrades mandatory.

Tier 2 is an extra 50 atk for the typewriter.
Tier 3 is an extra 70 atk.

[frigid kite]

Minmax

[neat skiff]

Her base module is absolutely worth it.

Plus there are 6 stars whose modules give way more bang for your buck. Like Mizuki doubling his talent, or Rosa getting an extra 60% atk_scale.

[lethal dragon]

Tier 3 is just 20 + 10 atk
Tier2 gives 50 + 10 atk

[analog kiln]

it better than the other modules

most of em make bad units better but still worse than the others

or do nothing

[neat skiff]

Now, what is 50 + 20?

[analog kiln]

might as well take the one that makes the insane op slightly better

[frigid kite]

Can't wait for thorns triple activation with Module

[neat skiff]

Because unless there is some obscure bug you cannot get tier 3 without tier 2.

[analog kiln]

u mean +10 poison dot

actually they could make the poison slow and thatd be cool ig

[frigid kite]

The slow would be pretty broken

[analog kiln]

i mean not suzu slow but like

10% slow

[frigid kite]

Or add AoE, who knows

[tidal sedge]

aoe explosion when poisoned enemy dies

[analog kiln]

that would unironically be pretty cool

[frigid kite]

Eyy that's really good idea too

[opal kiln]

reetar moment

[tidal sedge]

?

[frigid kite]

Reed alter S3

[tidal sedge]

oh is that what people are calling her these days

cringe name

[frigid kite]

I like reeder more

Reed + healer

Or was it Reeler, something like that

[tidal sedge]

I've heard reedic too

[frigid kite]

Aaah that's the one

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/849901145794150460.png

[barren ridge]

Can someone sudgest me IC-9 strategy?

[royal knoll]

what do you have

[cyan gorge]

Slow + buffer/debuffer + sniper(s) = win

kill the boss and the rest of the stage is braindead easy

[fickle zephyr]

if you get the chip with -50% launch cooldown and the healing and chill upgrades you can basically solo the trash enemies with the cars alone

[placid birch]

20% CD chip was good enough for ic-9, with the two launchers

[fickle zephyr]

there's 2 launchers in ic-9?

[cursive wedge]

only 1

[royal knoll]

20% will not keep them stunned forever afaik

[turbid badge]

that ic ex9

[frigid kite]

8

[turbid badge]

hey for any of you that use swire, is her s1 more practical than s2

ouu

swire has a module

holy moogy

ooo so

sp

kinda nice

[full finch]

swire is still bad with module tho

[turbid badge]

yea i know

me when i like all instructors

[fresh copper]

Pallas on her way to support only herself because nobody ever takes the other minos ops

[turbid badge]

lmaoao

[waxen swan]

Minos who

There only one minos in the game

[dreamy solstice]

Hey guys this is my plan for anni 3, its kinda scuff and i am gonna place mertly behind the top defend
Green dot for gavial
Grey for lapp
Red for defenders
Blue for medics
Purple for sniper

This is my team

[turbid badge]

No borrowing right

[dreamy solstice]

no

[turbid badge]

Yeah it looks good

[dreamy solstice]

Am seeing if this plan can work then no borrow but if it doesnt i borrow

Should i fix anything in my plan or just fuck it and do it?

[turbid badge]

Just try yet

Yeah*

[dreamy solstice]

aight ill be back if i lose

[waxen swan]

Just force close if something bad happened

[dreamy solstice]

@turbid badge i made it to 345ish

And then my gavial and bottom defender keep dieing

I tried 3 times i cant fix it

What should i do?

[turbid badge]

dieing to what?

the hammer guys?

[dreamy solstice]

These twos

[turbid badge]

which gavial skill

u can try s3

[novel pivot]

Does eunectes module sp regen count as giving her auto recovery?

If so, does ptilo talent boost it?

[dreamy solstice]

Oofie i did abit better

I got to 350 this time

But onky 349 skills

[frigid kite]

@dreamy solstice so you lose where and why

[dreamy solstice]

she didn't die but got stunned

[dreamy solstice]

look up

[storm current]

@novel pivot no, but both of her moduld allow her to receive sp boost from ptilo and any external sourcd

[frigid kite]

so you straight lose to the hard wave

[storm current]

Ok for your 1 word answer

[dreamy solstice]

Yea

[storm current]

You may need to cheese

[dreamy solstice]

Basically

[storm current]

[dreamy solstice]

change ur name to 1 paragraph answer pls! I need more answerrs

[frigid kite]

you can try this, put Gavial on the red dot bottom

looking up with S2

[dreamy solstice]

ohh maybe thats would work

[frigid kite]

she has a passive that increases healing anyways

[dreamy solstice]

Ill be back if i lose

[frigid kite]

gl

[frozen plover]

I'm heavily annoyed at frozen abandoned city

399/400

last yeti weeb got through

[frigid kite]

btw don't forget to screen before you lose (if you do)

[frozen plover]

how do i annihilate/stall the buffed yeti weeb

[frigid kite]

well, what do you have Lark?

[dreamy solstice]

@frigid kite what if i borrow a thorns and place him where i would place gavial and place gavial at the bottom dot?

[frigid kite]

you'll win easily with Thorns/Ifrit if you're willing to borrow

[frozen plover]

i did borrow ifrit

this + borrowed s2m3 lvl 70 ifrit

the last yeti weeb breaks through at around the 395/400 mark cause he stepped on the red rock crack

[frigid kite]

oh i meant to crimm lol

[frozen plover]

whack

[frigid kite]

how about you try to stall him before he touches the red tile?

[frozen plover]

can't, ops on cd from stalling topside to begin with

[frigid kite]

hmm

[frozen plover]

i might just have to level my defenders

[frigid kite]

Cuora S2 + Healer will tank it, for a bit at least

[frozen plover]

yea not long enough cause they died

i tried again to see whether i could save the ability for it

turns out no

399/400 twice

[frigid kite]

F

[dreamy solstice]

it going pretty well but i swap gavial s2 to s3 bcuz i feel like it would work better

[novel pivot]

Sickk

[steady shore]

is it possible to beat ic-ex-8 without pozy?

[novel pivot]

Definitely

[steady shore]

hard stuck on this stage

[novel pivot]

Do you have a warf

[steady shore]

nope

[novel pivot]

Exu and warf make this stage a lot easier

Oh

Nightingale as well

[novel pivot]

Make your ops immortal against boss

[steady shore]

yeah thats about all i have

[frozen plover]

try SA + attack speed car

[novel pivot]

Cars are op

Abuse them

[steady shore]

tried but they somehow managed to slip past

[novel pivot]

Freeze cars

So then ur only problem are the sidelanes, surfers, and boss

[main solstice]

there is even a surtr, SA duo clear

[novel pivot]

Cars 7* op

[main solstice]

cars are broken

[novel pivot]

Inb4 operator that can use cars

[steady shore]

had like this

[novel pivot]

Dont need to run stun gear if using cold

Use damage bumper

[dreamy solstice]

ok should i use s2 or s1 lapp skill and plit s1 or s2 for anni 3?

[novel pivot]

And use the 50% launch cd reduction for permafreeze

[dreamy solstice]

The thorns i borrowed was e1 so he died yeah

[frigid kite]

Thorns E1 only works as a body block

[main solstice]

no, you dont need that for permafreeze here

since there are 2 car launcher

[novel pivot]

Well i did

[frigid kite]

S2 with Lappland since her arts damage will help you kill the Heavies

[novel pivot]

I have skill issue you see

[main solstice]

yeah but then you need vg because cars cost too much dp

[novel pivot]

I used 3 flagbearer

Yeah whalebrain

I havent tried 1 launcher only

[main solstice]

why make your life harder when you can just not take the 50% launch cd

[frigid kite]

And ptilopsis S2 always, her healing burst is great

[novel pivot]

Because why not

I like being drained of dp

[main solstice]

[steady shore]

this one?

[storm current]

I tried many combination of freezing cars, you can do EX8 without -50% cooldown by using 80% speed and infinite fist to get less burden from dp, however you must make sure to launch both at the same times, desyncing them will mess up the car timing
For others map you will need -50% cooldown

[novel pivot]

I guess my issue was not timing the launches

[main solstice]

you also dont need the 80% speed

[novel pivot]

But yeah for this map no need

[main solstice]

just better timing

[dreamy solstice]

YESSS HE HAVE RETURNED

[steady shore]

do i bring this or the one that stuns?

[frigid kite]

Both work but stun is better if your units cant hold the waves

[storm current]

Go stun

[steady shore]

what units should i take?

[frigid kite]

Well what do you have

[novel pivot]

Surtr can actually hold an entire lane + surfers before the boss spawn

[steady shore]

• the other 3 stars

[novel pivot]

On right lane, surtr face right deployed on the left surfer dude

She will kill both + the trash that spawns

If she has enough hp/ healing you can activate her s3 once the red line indicator spawns

Well thats one lane down

A lvl 90 surtr has around 10% hp left once the durins spawn so yeah it can be a timer or whatever

[storm current]

What i did for my strat is just
Surtr the left lane to kill both of red guys while taking down the some early mobs
Deploy vanguard/dp generator on both bottom corner of the map facing inward to generate dp
Then retreat surtr and active both launching car at the same time, using infinite fist anf +80% speed work for me, i ran double sp module on car to boost my vanguard to print dp faster, and with those extra dp i deploy my boss killer, what i did suzu pozy warfarin, but for your case you may need to borrow pozy, put her in the dead center of the map, outside boss range, when boss appear and move a tile below, put typewriter and active pozy skill, you can put down SA to help, however you will also need to bait using gravel or a tank or SA will die without medic, or you can put down a medic if you have the dp
After that, you will need to put down a defender on the right red guys since he move, since surtr cooldown isnt up yet, you just need to stall for a bit, after that you can surtr both of the remaining red guys, and retreat all units as well as replacing your vanguard as turning pad, and the level will complete itself
Then kill the last 2 red car with caster
I run stun front + freezing + double sp module + infinite fist + 80% speed@steady shore

[steady shore]

alr ty everyone

i shall keep trying

[dreamy solstice]

@frigid kite so ive made it to wave 350

Is there gonna be anything harder after this?

Bp,lapp and plit died

But i replaced them with pozy and lumen

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