r-i-i-c

[hidden blade]

All good???

(haven't done facs)

[pale wing]

Why gummy? I dont see a quartz anywhere unless i missed it

Please use purestream as a factory worker and not powerplant

I dont think vulpis does anything in rr without suzuran, no?

[hidden blade]

where do I put quartz?

[hidden blade]

should powerplant just be filled with bots?

[hidden blade]

yeaa but I don't really think i hv any opts lol

[pale wing]

…in place of gummy?

[round lichen]

She gives 20%, plus she’s innately good as an E2 6-star

[peak ledge]

Question. Wiki and spreadsheet TP rates are different. Which is more accurate?

[silent nova]

Shwet

No

Wifi

[warm frigate]

Do level 2 and level 3 factories farm originium at the same rate?

[pale yoke]

9CD glowup

[round lichen]

Lv 3 are preferred since Lv 2 will hit cap extremely fast, but aside from the extra worker slot, Lv 3 is only 1% faster

[jaunty notch]

VIET

🫵

[strange tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1413534199708909699/mutsumi.gif

[jaunty notch]

had some dumb stuff happened to it yesterday as well prob just overload

[jaunty notch]

mở phần nhận xét ave ra đọc hết đi

[strange tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-cat-side-eye-cat-side-eye-orange-cat-staring-gif-4749659952322810298

[pale yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/mhm-agreed-agree-chenqianyu-chen-gif-12230995990157223108

[orchid bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1303743230247960682/1304599050443821056/attachment.gif

[strange tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922801062094716958/1479414976228626634/3D4489F902333456491781BCAA5430D3.gif

[slim yarrow]

Ye, that's what I'm doing. Switching 3 gold facs to 2 facs every time gold hits 1000 or something.

[vernal palm]

imagine being gold-positive with only 3 factories

[hidden blade]

mb

[ember hull]

So other than the obvious stuff like get crownslayer when she comes back, e2 bryo, e2 weedy, what are the things i could do to maximize this setup?

The setup is 3 shift duration team staggered by the filler team

[stiff fox]

hey guys ive been told my base is very buns, what should i improve? https://www.krooster.com/u/swift-rainbow-lemur-677n

[hasty tiger]

E2 proviso, go to #bot-spam and level the /baseskills base slaves

[hasty tiger]

Also check the pins for how to set up your base if you aren't already 2/5/2

[stiff fox]

yo i lowkey do not understand anything in the doc

[hasty tiger]

From the bot?

[stiff fox]

no like theres a pinned document explaining how i should set up my base

i dont understand... anything..

[hasty tiger]

It's ops that you should max level (for 2*) or e1 for 3/4*

[stiff fox]

2/5/2

3/4

😭

[hasty tiger]

The 2/5/2 had a video farther down in the pins

[stiff fox]

the numbers.. mason

what do they mean

[hasty tiger]

Italics ate the stars

[stiff fox]

no like what deos 2/5/2 mean

at all

its a base of ratio buildings?

[hasty tiger]

Yes. There is video in the pins that explains how to convert if you aren't on it already

[stiff fox]

and this is how it should look

yes?

[hasty tiger]

Buildings don't need to be in that order. But 2 trading posts, 5 factory and 2 power plants yes.

Your levels may vary based on how leveled your right side is

That's an ideal max left side

[stiff fox]

i think i have that

is that fine?

[hasty tiger]

Do you have more power? I don't think having your two factories at 1 is ideal but otherwise yes that's right

[stiff fox]

at 1s?

its level 3

[stiff fox]

ohh

yeah ill level those up

so theres like a list of operators i should only be using in factories right

which is what the bot commands should give me

[hasty tiger]

No. That tells you some basic operators that need max level (for 2*) or e1 (for 3 or 4*)

To get their second base skill

And make them worth using

[stiff fox]

oh

so what should my base be producing

i assume some degree of gold for trade trade posts

(yo im sorry with these noobie questions i lowkey never did the base even when i relatively had an idea on what im doing)

[hasty tiger]

Typically 2 gold 2 exp and one flexible based on needs

[stiff fox]

ooh cool

[hasty tiger]

When you e2 proviso and start using her you'll most likely need 3 gold

[stiff fox]

so proviso is a lmd farmer

yes?

[hasty tiger]

She's going to go in your level 2 trading post and print lmd yes

[stiff fox]

ive noticed that they added like presets

that certainly makes life easier right

[hasty tiger]

If you take the time to set them up nicely yeah it's good

[stiff fox]

so proviso e2 is my prio rn

and everyone in the bot commands

[hasty tiger]

For base things, yeah

[stiff fox]

oh i dont have proviso

oh i do

im just blind

[hasty tiger]

At some point you could pick up byro from his side story, he's a good worker too

Free to grab

[stiff fox]

is there a list of like good workers

[hasty tiger]

The pinned document in number 4

It has combos that work well as well as a tab for newbies

[stiff fox]

oh cheers

[stiff fox]

the right side of the base is like

quite emptz

what do you build there

i only have like the most outer layer of the right side done

[hasty tiger]

You don't have a choice what goes there

The newly added part is activity rooms, they're for trust farming

[stiff fox]

ohh

[stiff fox]

who do i pair with proviso e2

[hasty tiger]

Your highest %tp person you have

[limpid frost]

shouldn't umiri and nyamu be listed under generic buffers in the cc section on the base combo spreadsheet? umiri buffs hr and nyamu buffs rr without requiring any passion

[azure topaz]

should i pull nasti?

[ember hull]

They're generic but the numbers are so small it's hard to say that they're worth using without the entire band

Nyamu E2 for 10% rr is kinda sad

Atleast for umiri she's also a tp buffer if you run vigil/later bellone

For nyamu tho? Idk man just 10% rr seems a waste of a slot

[wispy mantle]

for office level 3, is it worth going 252 or just stick to 243?

[ember hull]

252 always

[limpid frost]

is umiri not just better then saileach because of the 30% restriction? if saileach is included surely umiri is also worth mentioning

[ember hull]

Sure if you're using the 45% hr workers i guess although I'm not sure how much value that is over using cc combo enablers

The thing is the teams that use saileach are wp/pi teams that run 20% hr workers due to necessity

So the extra 20% from saileach is extremely noticeable

Going from +20 to +40 is a lot more significant then from +45 to +55

[wind otter]

[inner ocean]

Can someone help me in improving my rotations?

3 Gold

3 EXP

I want to know how I can improve my rotations if I get Nasti

I'm not in a brainstorming mood right now.

[queen flicker]

i guess nasti could replace almond and marcille. or replace mizuki blacsteel with mizuki highmore nasti

then maybe if jessica alter is not needed for kroos alter md thing (seems like its for the 3 shifts eunectes?), replace her with something else like umiri maybe?

i mean jessica alter is ofc for blacksteel team but idk if it also helps with kross alter skill. in case you preffer to replace blacksteel team

[inner ocean]

go for it

theorycraft

with the context of every operator in AK available, try to improve my rotation

Nasti was only in my radar because she really would improve a sub team. But if you can find other synergies that can still allow for a 3-shift Eun, I'm all ears.

for additional context: I want a 3-shift Eun and I have a lvl 1 Office.

[queen flicker]

so jessica alter is indeed needed for 3 shift eun? i didnt do the md calcs

[inner ocean]

hmmm

lemme recheck

Krooster and Hoshitter

you can add any other 1 alter for that to work

doesn't have to be Jesster

it just happened to be that BS team is pretty good sub material

until AH squad swaps them out

oh yeah btw

for context

you see the darker colors in shifts 2 and 4

those are where Gladiia and AH squad subs in

if you want another context

Jesster only lasts in those shifts for 4 hrs

before i sub Gladiia in her position

[queen flicker]

oh i see

[inner ocean]

by memory, Gladiia tends to be more annoying to help recover on time over Eun. So there is some leeway on Eun's morale after 3 shifts

[queen flicker]

then i guess the easiest improvement is nasti with aroma waaifu replacing marcille/almond. idk if theres a better aproach.

what i meant earlier is replacing blacksteel sub team could free up the cc slot for umiri for example. which maybe has more value overall. but its harder to calculate if its worth because you have a complex rotation

[queen flicker]

so the easiest replace is this i guess?

[inner ocean]

hmmm

I'm a bit iffy on Umiri unless you bring a good case for it

as for Marcille/Almond replaced for Nasti

do you think Jesster's remaining BS combo is still worth keeping?

although yeah tbf, the BS team only lasts for 4 hours every shift unless you can give me a better substitute for AH slots

[queen flicker]

i guess yes. then if nasti is doing 3 shifts with aroma waai fu, you can move marcille and whoever ah member is replacing almond there to somewhere else. maybe replacing feater or conviction

because if im understanding it, in your rotation almond,mayer and all those with dark colors are just doing 4 hrs and ah squad replace them right?

[inner ocean]

yes

[barren condor]

what should be my 2nd preset after shamare team? im currently trying to set up my base properly this time since i left it neglected for so long

[frank cipher]

texas lapp 30%+ or
jay sa 25%+cap/30%+
take whoever higher
quartz is 34% btw

[inner ocean]

How would Nasti improve 3 EXP setup?

No Almond/Marcille usage there so goes to show how expendable they are

[queen flicker]

i think it can replace warmy

[inner ocean]

my belief usually is, if the production is using 3 factories, they tend to have their strength thinned while the ones that only has 2 factories have a very condensed and strong prod per slot

can Nasti replace anyone in any of the 3 EXP facs?

[queen flicker]

in your 3 exp rotation, in fac 4 warmy is a 35% right? nasti is 40%

[inner ocean]

i'll swap out Trag instead i reckon

at least Nasti gets to have more shifts with it

[queen flicker]

nasti is only 40% gold

[inner ocean]

whoops my bad

yeah she doesn't contribute much to 3 EXP schedules

that gives me a lot of context to how much Nasti actually helps in the matter.

[crystal dagger]

Since I upgraded jaye to Elite 3 and some facilities cannot be downgraded. How much difference is 252 vs 243?

[stiff fox]

hey guys, recently came back and been told that my base needs a lot of work, could anyone help me with what to do?
https://www.krooster.com/u/swift-rainbow-lemur-677n
i e2'ed my proviso but no idea what to do with her

[hasty tiger]

Elite 3 Jaye?!

[hasty tiger]

Like I said yesterday you put her in the lvl2 trading post and put your highest % trading post worked with her.

Why don't you have anyone in your power plants

[stiff fox]

what do you mean highest % trading post 😭

i dont get what you mean at all

[stoic agate]

is 333 the recommended base for orundum farming or is 252 just as good?

https://giphy.com/gifs/monkey-thinking-4AwFO4f2VLo2fIFFA2

i also have 2 5 star vouchers on me atm, could someone tell me if im missing any of the more important base units

https://www.krooster.com/u/wealthy-lilac-april-86ml

[hasty tiger]

The highest productivity % skill you have on someone who works in the trading post

[stiff fox]

ohh like how fast they get the orders?

[hasty tiger]

Yes.

[stiff fox]

ohh gotcha

so proviso makes the trades go for more gold than they would normally

therefore one trade makes more lmd

[hasty tiger]

You need shamare to do shamare (e2) tequila (e2) (bibeak/paprika/diamante/Kafka (at e0 or e2 preferred) as one of your trading post teams.

And more importantly you have proviso but should e2 her and get her to work in a trading post

[stoic agate]

ic

[hasty tiger]

If you joined the discord when you started playing I highly discourage you from oru farming

[stoic agate]

im not very new

[hasty tiger]

It requires large amounts of lmd, basically all sanity spent farming rocks

[stoic agate]

i can clear most events comfortably with my roster so i honestly just stopped caring about raising operators

no interest in raising just collection slop tbh

[hasty tiger]

You don't appear to have a fully functioning base setup yet. I still wouldn't be looking at ori farming

[stoic agate]

thats my main issue right now honestly

im very clueless about base combos and am trying to raise the ones needed for it

before going into orundum farming

[hasty tiger]

Pins, number 4

Look at base combos

Look at #bot-spam and type /baseskills to get basic base skills online

[stoic agate]

i was going through the orundum farming google document and found this setup, kind of missing a few components tho

and my jaye is unfortunately e1

will check the base combo document in a sec tho

[plain gust]

Why would you switch to 333?
Just use 252, you can't sustain anything on a 333 setup, and you lose out on exp/gold prod

Just looking at this conversation for a few seconds makes me believe you shouldn't touch AO farming anytime soon
Do you still have originite/first clears to get ?

[stoic agate]

i dont really want to produce exp tho, just orundum

pushed through most of the game for op too

[plain gust]

All sidestories are cleared ? All annihilations too ?
You still have some here, why would you farm AO

[stoic agate]

all annihilations cleared and most side stories

the leftovers are not that significant and i honestly dont want op to be my main orundum income

i just want to pull and thats about it tbh

adding a daily 400 orundum to my income would be more than satisfactory

even 200 would make a difference

not to mention i be able to get a few more gold certs somewhat

[hasty tiger]

Without a good base to start with, you're not making any sort of oru income consistently

[plain gust]

What ?
You don't reach nearly as high as 400 daily
And you shouldn't be producing daily anyway, you process that shit in batches of 4k-5k rocks at a time

[hasty tiger]

You need like 96k lmd and a ton of rocks for 1 pull

[stoic agate]

my point was not that im fixated on 400 daily but that im welcoming any income no matter how meager it is

i just dont care about raising anything anymore

i want a good base to brick myself into orundum grinding thats just the jist of it

[plain gust]

I would heavily advise against it, sounds like a recipe for disaster in your case, but if you really want to, 252, process batches of rocks at once, then switch one trading post to shards when you're done/have enough backlog
Do not stop producing exp/gold/lmd

Clear your originite first, assuming 21 sanity cost for the stage, farming oru is 7 times less efficient sanity wise, and that's not even taking into account opportunity cost

[stoic agate]

i dont really have the time to push through story at the moment so i wanted to focus on building my base over time

will follow what you said tho

only issues im having rn are figuring out the operators to raise and their rotations but that will prob be smooth sailing if i follow the document

was wondering if i could just improve upon it or substitute some since im missing plenty

or would it be better to just sift through my units and make my own rotations

[plain gust]

Well the thing you're following currently is a 333 setup using a rosmontis fac, so i assume exodia/full PI
Just farm rocks, use your regular optimized 252, with an oru fac, like earthspirit/eyja/chestnut -> lava/midnight/mint
When you're done producing shards, switch it back to exp/gold, and switch a tp to oru orders, with the highest efficiency you can get, farm rocks again, repeat

[stoic agate]

fair enough, i appreciate the help

does base rotation optimization matter much or can i just slot in whoever has the highest bonus?

i dont really know any operators thatd want e2 besides proviso and shamare

[plain gust]

Well i would recommend going for an optimized base setup in the first place if you have units for it
I'm farming AO too, and when i'm not processing anything (so like, just usual 2tp 5facs for prod) i'm at 70k lmd, 30k exp daily average
So overall, i still end up with enough for 1.5-2 units per month
A good setup will help you offset the costs related to oru farming, you at least want to sustain everything comfortably

Which is why i would recommend you to farm rocks for like a month or two, and process everything at once too, less downtime to manage, more time at max prod, and overall less of a bother

[stoic agate]

makes sense, i guess its better if one stockpiles rocks before processing

[plain gust]

You can use the spreadsheet in pins to get an idea

Usually i wait for a multiple of 1.2k before processing but that's just me

[stoic agate]

i do check the spreadsheet from time to time but i have no clue which teams to go with honestly

[plain gust]

Do you have a krooster setup ?

[stoic agate]

yeah

[plain gust]

Feel free to send it, i can take a quick look

[stoic agate]

id really appreciate it

https://www.krooster.com/u/wealthy-lilac-april-86ml

sorry if im taking up a bit of your time

i should prob be doing this myself

i just have no clue whats best or preferred

alter team for cc looked nice but a friend told me its inefficient

overall the entire base is just disorganised rn

[plain gust]

It's fine, i would be hanging out in #help if not here

[stoic agate]

sentenced to rotting in the help channel for years to come

[plain gust]

First of all, give #bot-spam /baseskills a read, you're missing a lot of e1s, like conviction/frostleaf etc etc

So do those first

[stoic agate]

alright

[plain gust]

vermeil is quite important, espec for exp teams

[stoic agate]

all of the operators listed need e1?

e2 only if mentioned in the description

[plain gust]

Outside of proviso/2* yeah

[stoic agate]

ic

[plain gust]

2* only need lv30 obviously

And 5* need e2

[stoic agate]

true

i saw some people being told not to e2 all their 5* base slaves so i assumed you only needed to work on proviso and like bryophta

ig i will need to e2 all of them if i want it to be optimised

🛌

[plain gust]

The point is, taking into account the time needed until you get a return on investment on your e2 5*, for most, it's incredibly inefficient
Like even bryophita, i don't have numbers, but i would assume the BEP is like a few years at least

[pallid isle]

bryo is "better"

but yes its still years

tequilla is iirc 2 years?

[plain gust]

Yeah even shamteq would be like years before ROI

[pallid isle]

shamare is probably similar in length of time

that said

[stoic agate]

wtf

[pallid isle]

both tequilla and shamare roi is short in comparison

[stoic agate]

ig its a premium or more endgame base thing then

[plain gust]

Well tbf, AO farming should be an endgame thing too

[pallid isle]

also shamare and tequilla are good in general gameplay at least so theres that

[stoic agate]

cant deny that, it really is endgame slop

will start by raising shamare/tequila and the operators in the baseskills list

not sure if i could skip a few of the ones in the list assuming i have better alternatives

[pallid isle]

long as you have proviso shamare tequilla your tp is set

[plain gust]

You should at least raise all your e1s, then e2 proviso, and you can consider shamare/tequila tho i don't see shamare in your krooster

[stoic agate]

ah

i forgot to mention that

i have 2 5 star vouchers

[plain gust]

You also have yato2, so you could use TRC as a TP partner for proviso, yato is worth raising outside of base anyway

[hasty tiger]

I recommended shamare from voucher yeah

[pallid isle]

proviso i have heard ranges between 90-180 days roi kek but compare that to decades for most

[stoic agate]

that leaves me with 1 rotting 5 star voucher left

was thinking of popping it for swire

[hasty tiger]

Swire can be okay in cc with e0. Most other 5* not going to be base operational though

[plain gust]

Would rather pick waaifu for aroma, but that's e2 billion years until ROI territory so it depend how far you're willing to invest in base

[stoic agate]

will have to raise her after like 2 years of shelving her

[pallid isle]

i wouldn't bother with swire but thats just me

[stoic agate]

im willing to invest a lot into the base

[plain gust]

Yeah swire won't hold well into an optimized base anyway

[stoic agate]

waaifu it is then ig

unless one of my other facilities is severely lacking in options

will just pop 1 for shamare and leave the other for now

[hasty tiger]

at some point I'll post my krooster and get recs for my cc. It's the facility I understand least

[pallid isle]

if this is purely for base then waaifu is more of a bonus

[stoic agate]

well i think that about wraps up every question i had maybe

raise proviso/shamare/tequila and the list

then come back here to get spoonfed more tasks

[pallid isle]

base knights is the life

[stoic agate]

i just wish i baseknighted sooner

nonfunctional base for 3 years

[hasty tiger]

https://www.krooster.com/u/noiwhale
In that case can I have recs for cc

[plain gust]

Then a quick list of things that i would consider "worth" to e2 for an endgame base
proviso
Shamare-tequila-one of kafka/diamante/paprika/bibeak to e2 (preferably not kafka)
bryo
underflow for 40% tp with ulpi (also you can run gladiia AH comp if you can stomach a 7h rotation as an offrota)
Yato2-noir2-TRC in tp
Aroma (but don't run her without waiifu, unless you're willing to micromanage part of your gold rotation)

[stoic agate]

im going to be chip farming for a while it seems

[plain gust]

yato/noir/TRC won't hold later in an optimized rotation, but it's a decent placeholder for +fac+tp in CC for a bit, and a good worker for proviso

[pallid isle]

you kinda want 2 of the higher tailoring skills

so you can permantly keep shamare combo going with fia

[plain gust]

They're fialess for now

[pallid isle]

oh i mean

in that case

cry

[stoic agate]

no fia spooks for now unfortunately

[pallid isle]

[plain gust]

Well, you're missing vivi for pinus, so not that, you're missing weedy for automation, so not that
You're missing ulpi for AH, but you could still run an offrota with gladiia for 35% fac workers
Outside of that, take my advice with a grain of salt, because i could have missed something, but i would honestly just focus on running +tp +fac on each CC rotations, with mlynar and smileys or smth, and a gladiia offrota

Usually CC slots are part of multi-facility combos, like pinus/automation/exodia, etc
I don't feel like there's much value outside of those and fac/tp boosters

[hasty tiger]

Looking at the cc sheet I have like... Monster I can add? Hoshialt/swire/monster/mylnar/smiley?

And a second worse team for when they sleep with amiya+ whatever I can cobble?

Or would hoshi and monster conflict

[plain gust]

they would

So just use hoshi for that rotation

[hasty tiger]

In that case it sounds like my teams are fine as is... I'll just keep looking out for the opportunity for more specific teams

I'm just missing a lot of components from when I quit lol

[stoic agate]

guard chip gated for the rest

except im condemned to clearing the new event shop

base will have to wait a bit

[plain gust]

why vermeil e2 🥹

[round lichen]

Replace Scavenger with Mon3tr

[stoic agate]

🤫 it was a training voucher that was rotting in my inventory

[gusty pike]

am I doing something wrong here?

[hasty tiger]

Under what it could be. Not the worst that's been posted.

[eternal gyro]

Beanstalk team is better than Narantuya if Dorms only lv1 right?

[rough mulch]

is there a way to send multiple images in one link? i wanna show my base setup, but i don't want them to become spam by sending them 1 by 1 here

[hasty tiger]

discord allows for like 10 per post or you can use like imgur or something

[rough mulch]

thanks, i'll try imgur

hey guys, i need guidance on my base setup like what to change, adjust etc. am i doing this right so far or nah. thanks
https://imgur.com/a/XFxxLyG
https://www.krooster.com/u/adeyo

[round lichen]

@rough mulch switch to 252

[opal echo]

is this considered decent?

[round lichen]

Right off the bat, you should be making at least a little XP. Farming LS-6 for XP is wildly inefficient

And unless you have some real bad workers, those look like 243 numbers. Switch to 252

[round lichen]

In your current setup, you’re using your best (Proviso) and 2nd-best (Shamare-Tequila) TP teams in the same preset. This means that neither of them can have high uptime without sacrificing the other. It would be better to have Proviso in 1 TP and Shamare-Tequila working concurrently in the other. Same issue in your gold facs, you want Bryo team and automation team to both have high uptime, not fighting each other for space while the other factory is constantly stuck at 75%

Speaking of automation team, you should be using Greyy2 during automation’s shift to increase Weedy’s PP count

I don’t like the alters CC team. You could do the Ave Mujica team if you had all of the members (how did you get Umiri but not Nyamu??), but even without the full team, Sakiko and Umiri have pretty good value (or at least more than the alters team). I think Sakiko, Umiri, Wiš’adel, Amiya, Mutsumi could work. You probably also want to replace Projekt Red in Młynar’s rotation with Paprika

[rough mulch]

1. i'll adjust the tp workers to make them on seperate posts. same goes with the factory

2. i'll add greyy2 to the pp preset when weedy's team up

3. for alter's team, i just go unga bunga since idk what would be the good cc workers, hence i asked here.

3.1. my avemuji members aren't e2 yet. idk if u need them e2 or e0 are enuf. for nyamu part, probably she wasn't inputted here since i'm pretty sure i bought her from the shop and indeed in my roster. i'll reupdate my roster later, but i get the point ur making

3.2. for paprika, i haven't e2 her, but i'll build her later

is there anything else to add? thank you for the inputs btw

[barren condor]

should i use fia base skill on proviso at 12 morale or wait for her to be at 0 morale and then use fia

[frank cipher]

use fia when she's available everytime you log in, effectively when op can't last a shift

[crystal dagger]

It only give so low. Who should I team up with waai fu and aroma? Need a bit fix on the last team

[round lichen]

Switch to 252

Waai Fu doesn’t count any prod from Purestream. You could do Purestream Bubble Vulcan and just put someone like Spot there

Or Haze since you’re using Spot in Bryo’s Fac

[round lichen]

Happy to help! I would also add:
You didn’t mention your plan to switch to 252, that would help you a lot
Aside from Sakiko, the Ave Mujica gals work fine at E0, as does Paprika (only her TP skill changes at E2, her CC skill remains the same)

[crystal dagger]

Then we don’t have a sub in team for gold? Also I was 252 but changing to 243. Since I max my right side before knowing this…. It is too late to go back probably

[round lichen]

Even max-right 252 still beats 243. All of that power and tons of extra materials get dumped into levelling up dorms, facilities with extremely marginal gains that require extensive micromanagement to get value. With 252, you get an increase of +100% Fac productivity while only having 1 less worker slot compared to 243, plus some teams (such as AH) benefit from having more factories, or are happy to get rid of their least-useful member and stay in a 2-slot (such as Weedy & Purestream)

[ember hull]

Uhh I'm not sure if there's anything else i can do to optimise this, probably will swap the wis team for mlynar + mon3tr once mlynar is E2. Anyone got suggestions on how to make this better?

https://www.krooster.com/u/gvm here's my krooster if it helps

[wispy mantle]

does droning proviso count in daily summary? i droned mine all day yday but somehow i only made 40 ish k (other tp is 3-kjerag with gnosis cc)

[crystal dagger]

Man I just wasted so much drone to get 243… wish I didn’t level my right side from day one and have a max 252. But 243 is better than 252 at temp orumdma farm right ? Like 5 days out of the month switch into orumdma?

[round lichen]

Still no. You can do 342 to have a 3rd TP dedicated to orundum trading, or just stay 252 and have reduced LMD income for the few days where the TP turns shards into orundum

Power Plants just really aren’t productive enough to justify having a 3rd

[round lichen]

Any TP orders collected during that day will be counted towards the total, droned or otherwise. There could be a few factors influencing this: irregular collection times could mean that differing amounts of drones are carrying over each day; if Proviso is in a Lv 3 TP then there’s a chance for her skill to not proc, normally this is rare but if you try to pair her with Shamare or a tailoring skill it becomes an issue; or just bad combos/bad uptime. Droning Proviso is the most efficient option for using drones, but the lion’s share of her productivity will come from giving her a good partner and keeping her 100% active with Fia

Also 3 Kjerag? Wouldn’t you want Jaye in there? Gnosis reduces their productivity you know, he’s only good if you can get value from the extra capacity

[jaunty notch]

Secret riic meeting

[wispy mantle]

hm yeah this is really odd, maybe the cutoffs are just weird. this updates on daily reset right?

and sorry about that i meant 2 kjerag with jaye yes haha

[viral anchor]

https://www.krooster.com/u/yourlocaltaus anyone know any other base slaves in my roster

i cant decide

ik proviso is one of them though

[wild ice]

🔥

finally met another riicer irl

[hasty tiger]

#bot-spam /baseskills
Pins number 4

[barren condor]

could you guys check if my base presets and team setups are good? id also like some suggestions if theres anything i need to change or work on

heres my roster
https://www.krooster.com/u/wazare223

[hasty tiger]

Tequila e2 isn't required but is a good value if you're gonna play for more than a year or something

Could pick up byro to run with your thorns team and move purestream to another

If you go through the pin 4 document you have a couple things you can shift to be slightly better. Vermeil with trag Christine instead of splitting them

[crystal dagger]

Worth it to lock a OP in the dormitory for that Aoe .25-0.3 aoe recovery?

[crystal dagger]

Is taking off purple teammate for M3 in control center worth it for Sakiko team ?

[hasty tiger]

Not really needed unless you're doing rotations under 12 hours

[strange prawn]

how can I make my base produce more?

lmd

Is this enough?

[round lichen]

Nyamu is definitely the lowest-value member of the team, she only gives clue speed and 10 passion. Mutsumi will still be 6% and Sakiko will give 3% to all gold facs, the addition of Mon3tr will give better value for your actually useful facilities

[round lichen]

@strange prawn are you using Proviso? For the 3 days you showed, average LMD/order was 1,738. Even though I lost some productivity between yesterday and the day before due to oversleeping, my average LMD/order was still 2,150 with Fia being used to keep Shamare, Tequila, and Proviso working 24/7

[strange prawn]

yeah I'm using her

I don't have shamare btw

[hidden blade]

All good for factory???

have these in my cc

I'm tryna gain more lmd

[crystal dagger]

I thought M3 cannot stack that effect with Sakiko and does that 10 less passion effect the whole team’s effect? How to fix my central team? I am at 243 rn. I know 252 is like 50% more production. But I just converted recently…. Guess have to stick to this for next couple months

Gino is useless without jaye going E2 + silverASH and clif E2 right ?

[round lichen]

I wouldn’t recommend raising Jaye, he’s better at E0

If you really want to get value out of Gnosis, you could try something like Degenbrecher Silverash Cliffheart

Also months? You can convert to 252 in 80 seconds, there’s no need to wait that long

https://youtu.be/sBw1UW03crs?si=lfmW2q75HK8EHem6

[round lichen]

You never showed your factories, how would we know if they’re all good?
I will say, Mulberry is a terrible HR worker without the rest of the WP team, just use Ethan instead. you should put Kichisei and Hoederer in Proviso’s TP and try to have good uptime on both Proviso and Shamare-Tequila

[hidden blade]

how to get the uptime right?

[round lichen]

If you’re doing 12-hour shifts, they should be on a cycle where they work for 3 shifts, then rest for 1. You could try to synchronize them for simplicity, or stagger their resting times to save space in dorms

[hidden blade]

facs and the replaced TPs

[hidden blade]

huh sorry I'm kinda stupid with bases

[round lichen]

Basically Texas should never be at 0 morale, because as soon as Proviso is finished resting you want to put Prov’s team back in. Same goes for the other TP, as soon as Shamare & Tequila are done resting you should put them back in

[round lichen]

Your factories are a total mess, you have Vigna working on metals, Aroma working on XP, Vulcan is just dropping your productivity since you don’t have Bubble or Vermeil helping her out, and you’ve hardly raised any of the 4-stars recommended in the /baseskills bot command

#bot-spam message

[ember hull]

Wait, does this mean i can do a 4 person fiametta cycle instead of 3?

[orchid bane]

If you use global MD in CC yes

[round lichen]

It’s possible, but 0 leeway on Proviso (she dies at exactly 48 hours). Plus you can’t have 100% uptime on -0.45 MDR without stuffing Młynar + 3 other smileys in your filler rot. Maybe if you cursed a single order everyday it might be less of a pain

[orchid bane]

Mlynar chongyue Wis

[round lichen]

They’re using Wiš + CE

[orchid bane]

I use Mlynar + 4 smiley cause too lazy. That can keep Proviso work for more than 48hr

[wind otter]

we need good dorm Rhine Lab workers, even if side grades, doesn't matter

[light widget]

is there a way to lock lancet from going to dorm

[round lichen]

Don’t use the auto-rest button

Simple as

[wind otter]

big brain moves

[light widget]

ok actually I found a way to kill lancet every time I swap

[wind otter]

workshop moves

[thorny flame]

whats the diff between jaye base skills? heard you cant level him to a certain point

[rigid plume]

Yes, E1 changes his skill to less attractive one.

So either you leave him E0, or go all-in for combat and lose that advantage using him for other worse combos.

[west tapir]

What even is the point of such skills?
Most factory operators already have 10-15%+ productivity

[rigid plume]

You can use other ops which doesn't grant +Production% and instead doing other things like increasing the Capacity.

And Sneg will just grant them that Prod they lack.

[west tapir]

I guess it works for early game where you dont have proper rotations set. But after that its pretty useless

[rigid plume]

It is.

What you expect from 4*?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1435331075768324106/pram.gif

[west tapir]

Average ch16 4star usefulness

Atleast it can stay at e0 like the other useless 4stars

[ember hull]

Well not quite, e0 jaye has its own issue cos you needed to keep claiming the tp nonstop to keep it at max prod

I think e0 jaye is impractical

[ember hull]

Is that sneg skill? It works with weedy so it's bis with her

30% that works with automation

Weedy+sneg+purestream

[ember hull]

Hmm with my lack of cc combos, what do i filler on my cc

I'll be replacing wis for mlynar starting next cycle

Mlynar mon3tr ascalon already let the team survive 3 shifts in cc and i don't have any combo enablers

[viral anchor]

im still having some hard time trying to choose combos and operators in general for da base

[ember hull]

Use the beginner setup in the pinned sheet in pins

[viral anchor]

i can send my roster aswell if you'd like

[hasty tiger]

The noob sheet is pretty straight forward with basic units, 3/4* that are from pulls or recruits.
Make sure to go to #bot-spam and /baseskills to know which need e1 or max level (2*)

[hidden blade]

yeaaa... kinda confused on what I should build rn...
I have to build SAlter, Pramalter, and Ascalon to at least E2L20, I've been focusing on that and that only... Should I focus on Base Slaves instead?

[bronze shell]

I'm kinda confused as I'm a new player I have all level 3 facilities (2-5-2). Am I supposed to have 3 units in them at all times as some of the roation spreadsheets have only 2 units

[round lichen]

People who converted from 243 to 252 have to use a Lv 2 TP and some Lv 2 Facs since RR, HR, and TR can’t be downgraded. If you have all the slots, you should use them

[wind otter]

"RR, HR, and TR can't be downgraded" for now || ||

[round lichen]

The easy solution is to make them cost 0 energy and reallocate the energy they would’ve used to a new facility, such as the kitchen idea Gato has mentioned before

Then players could decide if they want to max out their kitchen or if they prefer the gains of having maxed factories & TPs

[wind otter]

I forgot what gato's kitchen did. I do remember my take of kitchen, which would be something similar to what Endfield now does: let you choose an op and give op some morale restore, but in a kitchen we would cook items that restore that morale, instead of having them in the form of friend assists as in EF.

But that kitchen would be useless with your rerouting of power idea because FAC production would be better than restoring some morale when we have strong teams that can sub main rotations. ||Unless kitchen can keep Exodia forever alive or something ||

[wheat hornet]

What’s better 243 or 333?

[rigid plume]

252

But between those two, 243

[wheat hornet]

But you see I want lvld dorms so I’ll do 243

Oh ye btw is this passible for trading post?

I don’t got a lot of ops so I just used who I had

[rigid plume]

No.

Where's your Proviso?

[pallid isle]

max lazy for base is 12 hour rotations and still optimal

as such you don't need leveled dorms

I would just say check pin 4 at this point though for combos

and especially check the proviso tab

[viral anchor]

I honestly have no idea if these presets can be good

[inner ocean]

yeah when raising a lot of ops to E2 and giving modules, the base and shops can't keep up with the disparity of LMD demand over EXP

will need to farm CE-6 as a supplement

[frank cipher]

2m exp 1m lmd leftover
no red cert/chip to e2
should give e2 ticket more than max lvl ticket

[hasty tiger]

Do you have empty slots because you literally just don't have ops to fill them or???

[viral anchor]

I heard they can work alone like Proviso, I've been following the guide

Which is why I think I'm doing smth wrong

[hasty tiger]

No, empty slots are never optimal

[viral anchor]

Also cause I'm lacking some operators

[hasty tiger]

And proviso doesn't want to be alone either

She wants to be with your highest % tp worker

To push out orders faster while utilizing her ability

[viral anchor]

I'll try and fix it later

[pallid isle]

Proviso scales with total tp%

[round lichen]

@viral anchor switch to 252

[viral anchor]

why

[round lichen]

Wait you are 252

[viral anchor]

yeah

[round lichen]

Looking at the 2nd screenshot I thought those were all your factories, mb

[wind otter]

training room freedom at last!

[pallid isle]

Soon will have to also raise her

Yeah sucks not being able to just throw stuff there when I need it

[wind otter]

the stunts one has to do to find spots for MuMu and PI, WP, pieces while training

[pallid isle]

I do cursed but gave up with munu

Obviously becomes more realistic/easier when nasti comes out but still

[wind otter]

Nasti waiting room

[queen flicker]

i'm planning on doing this set up once i get flametail, viviana and kirara, and alternate between 1 exp 4 gold / 3 exp 2 gold (for example do 4 gold until i stock like 1k gold bars then switch to 3 exp until 100 bars left)

what do you think? am i missing something more optimal with these operators?

(btw ignore lancet in tr)

[limpid frost]

if you forget to collect your weekly 300 visitor credits do they get collected automatically?

[indigo iris]

u cant auto swithc right?

[limpid frost]

does vermeil+snegurochka+bena work?

ok tried it, looks like it doesn't work

how come snegurochka works with purestream but not vermeil?

are there any good 2 op teams that also increase capacity?

i have a level 2 factory but sometimes it hits the capacity limit overnight because of the lower capacity

[limpid frost]

why does snegurochka work with purestream tho

[astral tiger]

"Excluding productivity granted based on facility count"

it's written there

[limpid frost]

oh i'm blind lol

rip

[astral tiger]

purestream gives prod based on TP count

[astral tiger]

looks good but why not use your crownslayer exp team as the main one for fac 3

isn't bubble team lower than 100%

while 3 35% is giving u 105

[astral tiger]

dont think so

u will have to sacrifice some prod and increase cap

[round lichen]

Bubble Vulcan is decent

[queen flicker]

both teams do 3 shifts

[pale wing]

Ugh

The change in clue behavior is fucking with 6 years of muscle memory

i go to the person who i want to give a clue to, select a clue, oops it resorted the list, and then tap on the original position of that person, giving it to a random person

[light widget]

the stupid refresh after giving one clue is dumb update ngl

[orchid bane]

Already gave the wrong person once

[dim flower]

Oh so that must be why I was bombarded with like 10 clue 2s

[astral tiger]

~~ just uncheck the option at the top ~~ nvm

[urban orchid]

In CN. Does reception room gonna be updated to not go back into the first friend list pave when clicking new clue?

[astral tiger]

wdym

[urban orchid]

When you tried to send a clue. The page of friend list always reset to the first page when you clicked a clue. Making it more annoying to send clue if the one you tried to send is in the 8th page of the friend list or more.

Will it be fixed in CN already?

[astral tiger]

so that's what everyone is talking about....

i see

yeah no clue

[round lichen]

Eh, people will adjust

I don’t know why you would need to go that far back when there’s a button that puts everyone who needs that clue at the front

[pale wing]

Because i dont care about who needs the clue?

i prioritize responding to clue swaps first and the remainder gets sent to reliable clue swappers second

[wind otter]

[frank cipher]

Yes accidently use all when farm Ao

[queen flicker]

flametail acquired. viviana should appear in the cert shop soon i believe. but kirara... probably would have to wait until next kernel selector

[little ledge]

Chat
Which automation team is better? Zumama or Greyy alt?

[orchid bane]

They can both be used in dead lancet team

But no matter what. Greyy alt should always be there

[little veldt]

Won at tge worst cost

[arctic prism]

...? I dont get it
also probably wrong channel, this is the base nerd channel

[inner ocean]

I'm gonna be staying at CE-6 during dead weeks for a long ass time

the EXP and LMD imbalance is pretty big

and no I'm not tempted to do a 4-gold, 3 TP setup. That would be an illogical nerf on my EXP output while spreading my All/Gold combos too thin.

[smoky kite]

/base

[past glacier]

all good here?

[astral tiger]

no proviso?

use spot and haze instead of fang and fang2

use bryophyta instead of cement and gravel instead of ceobe

in your lvl 3 exp fac use vermeil exec2 and coebe

not sure if your sand reckoner is e2

otherwise swap out tuye and sand reckoner with ops providing 30% efficiency

get quartz from red cert shop and e1 her for a 34% eff op

instead of astgenne use a 30% exp unit

like vigna

if u have conviction then e1 him for a 35% exp unit instead

[past glacier]

I do

E2

[astral tiger]

then I'm assuming that team u have is a substitute team?

are all of them subs?

if not then swap out with what I mentioned

as for proviso use her with quartz and another 30% unit in a tp

[past glacier]

Spot is only for material processing

Oh spot need e1

[astral tiger]

yes

[past glacier]

@astral tiger

[astral tiger]

dont u have better alternatives for cement + fang fac?

also put proviso instead of yato/catapult

[past glacier]

@astral tiger

[astral tiger]

wait till tomorrow to see changes

[grave flume]

i just recently switched to a 252 setup. Please do tell me what teams can i use for factories as i am right now. I use shamare and proviso teams for TPs atm. Here is my krooster for reference
https://www.krooster.com/u/metroplex_291

[frank cipher]

pretty much done for main team, next improve is either sub team or e2 which for end player
CC Wis C.eterna amiya hoshi, let mujika sub
-# do a favour by e2 your lovely 6* op

[hard maple]

What's the best setup for most XP?

[rigid plume]

252

With 3 EXP Facs

[celest mason]

is 60k lmd normal average income for sham,teq and prov team?

[arctic prism]

yeah

[wind otter]

without droning tp

[crude elm]

Which building I should upgrade to lvl 3 to level up my control center?

[pallid isle]

Don't upgrade office or rr anymore

In fact if your new enough like you don't even have cc level 5 yet and if your planning on playing for a extremely long time reroll isn't out of the question for a better long time production but you don't have to

Upgrade power plant first

[crude elm]

Is upgrading those 2 rooms really a big mistake?

[pallid isle]

The "benefits" that those rooms is vastly out weighed by an extra factory slot

So it's not that big when your looking at a single day right. But remember this is production for every single day 365 days a year so that tiny bit of loss is quite a bit over long periods of time

So brand new accounts I can suggest this too

[crude elm]

Okay. I think I'll try to reroll, which banner is best to pull? Also what's the meaning of 11 slot, 15 slot?

[pallid isle]

Reception room actually has gotten even worse to upgrade a few months ago due to the additional 300 weekly credits making it so 252 can buy out the shop more often. Office doesn't give any lmd reduction and it doesn't give any odds improvements either. You also can clear out all recruitments even with only 2 slots (there's been many times in the past I have been waiting for recruits even with level 1 officers)

[pallid isle]

Right now banner wise you should pull on silverash pram since it's strong carries. Generally for Future questions you should check out help for banners and selector suggestions.

The number of slots is a reference to how many left side slots you have

The best being a 15 slot or max left

[crude elm]

Still don't know what a slot is

[pallid isle]

When you place an operator in a facility it takes up a slot or a position in there. Level 1 favorites have 1 slot or can hold 1 operator. Level 2 has 2 slots or can hold 2 operators and so forth

[crude elm]

So 15 is referred to the factory slot?

[pallid isle]

So when we say 15 slot it means we can place 15 operators inside our factories total which is best

Yes it's directly for the factory slots

[crude elm]

Aight thanks. Hopefully I'll be very lucky on my pulls

[pallid isle]

Gl out there and don't be afraid to ask if you need anything else while building the base up to max left

[simple remnant]

u boys keep saying 252 is the best meanwhile with 100+ friendlist that i had, finding someone who use 252 its like try to find needle in the haystack...

seams like most people would return to 243 eventually... and stay that way... like... ya know... being grown up

[astral tiger]

why not take your own advice and grow up instead of bitching about 252 everytime u talk here

like damn bro dont use it if u hate it so much 💀

[simple remnant]

i aint bitching about it... im just saying... so rare to find people using 252 lol

[simple remnant]

i dont

[astral tiger]

many people dont care enough about the base to begin with

[light widget]

I doubt those people even build their base slaves intentionally

[astral tiger]

even took me an year to realise how important the base is

[rose knoll]

I think due to Icebreaker people are seeing that it's indeed possible to have enough lmd/exp to max level your ops lol

[simple remnant]

i wonder why

[simple remnant]

are u sure about that?

[astral tiger]

mobile tower defense gacha game

[frank cipher]

base layout is least prob, go check their base op use, might be max lvl but still unknown to riic

[astral tiger]

would be rare if people get interested by the base of all things

[simple remnant]

with that i close my case

[light widget]

I've seen a lot of ppl sleeping on proviso, unless they go to this server or someone tell them specifically

[frank cipher]

ain't close case till you have fren who use Exodia

[light widget]

ngl I still won't be interested in doing base shits until they give base qol

[simple remnant]

this is not exodia... but

[astral tiger]

right side downgrade on 10th anni

trust

[light widget]

only return on playing AK after almost 2 years hiatus cuz I heard of base qol

[rigid plume]

[astral tiger]

what is more likely to happen

right side downgrade or pc client

[pale wing]

Isnt PC already being tested on cn

[orchid bane]

That iz ez

Pc client

Why don't you ask something like right side downgrade or Destiny 2 collab

[pale wing]

Theyve shown zero inclination towards allowing right side downgrade, comparatively

[rigid plume]

It's for CN or us?

[astral tiger]

en ofc

cn already using the client

[rigid plume]

Right side down lmao

[astral tiger]

[rigid plume]

Just because they have to port the new update

[astral tiger]

This is complete faith in yostar

[frank cipher]

ain't ready for mystery if still suffering from lack of build mat

[vernal palm]

my training room is still level 2 because I value my level 3 tp more

and need level 2 RR for Raidian propaganda

[hard maple]

Is there a setup that gives less xp than 252 but has level 3 Training room?

Or just change to 243

[vernal palm]

there's a setup with max 252 and level 3 TR, but its cursed because it requires leaving one dorm unbuilt

[jaunty notch]

you know there's max right 252 and other variations right

[vernal palm]

thats why I said max 252, as in all of the 2 TPs and 5 FACs are maxed

[vagrant portal]

Should e1 this guy for base

[rigid plume]

It's cheap, so you can.

[pallid isle]

not recommended

just use a 30%

[warm oar]

its cn's 7.5th anni and they just announced downgradable rr and hr

[round lichen]

Totter is fine in base, but excellent in gameplay
Probably the most futureproofed besieger, his invis ignore will continue being valuable long after Typhon and Rosa somehow become even more irrelevant than they already are
Overall I would recommend building him, but if you want to use him for base, you may need to micromanage his morale to get the best value out of him

[pallid isle]

Did i misunderstand the skill? Does the morale loss get removed when he gets the buff?

In that case he's "ok"

Reading that twice over theres nothing I see that implies that but typical

Everything game play wise I agree with

[queen flicker]

better than a 25% but worse than 30% basically

[short yoke]

Am I doing the rotation right? P.S idk how to do it

[hasty tiger]

Is this real or meme

[limpid frost]

if you're using synergy operators like vermeil you're better off cycling whole teams rather than individual operators

you don't want your capacity operators to be working while vermeil isn't around to take advantage of it

you can cycle three teams between two factories/trading posts

[limpid frost]

easy way to set this up is to start by filling every facility with the best ops you have available, these will be your main teams
then for each pair of facilities, you set a backup team that is shared between them

[round lichen]

May is 7th anni. 7.5th Anni isn’t until November

[light widget]

is there a sheet that shows the difference of putting 10% op in pp compared to 20%?

[round lichen]

No, rule of thumb is to divide the drone% by 2 to get the equivalent boost to Fac. If you’re using drones on TP, you can do the same thing, then add that productivity into Proviso’s multiplier

[light widget]

so it's not that bad on putting robot just to boost certain op/teams

[short yoke]

So I should just let my vermeil team to run till their energy is depleted?

[limpid frost]

ideally you want to make sure your good teams get swapped out before they hit zero sanity and back in before they hit max sanity in order to maximize their uptime

you can swap whenever you want, as long as your good operators are always working or resting

[round lichen]

They’ll listen this time for sure!

[limpid frost]

Ask them to rerun 9cd while you’re at it

[frank cipher]

-# workshop preset

[light widget]

any feedback/other ops that can be sub for better eff?

[valid storm]

I agree, we need to be able to access all of the older sets

[astral tiger]

are you actually managing gladiia optimally so she is subbed out before dying

also your 2nd exp team is better than vermeil team

[light widget]

yep swapping her out before dying

[astral tiger]

well damn

[light widget]

it's a 24 hrs rotation with a bit of gladiia micro

I swap gladiia in before I sleep and swap out after waking up so kinda much ok for that

[astral tiger]

💀

[light widget]

should I switch MH ops to the first rotation so I can utilize PS team in the first rotation too?

although that means automation will go 2nd rotation

why the skull tho

[astral tiger]

nothing just impressed

can't u use automation in 2 fac instead

sneg is a 30% at the end of the day

is your umiri e2?

if not then prob swap out umiri and kal for ft and vivi

use bryo + gravel + spot in lvl 3 gold fac and move automation to lvl 2 fac

dont need jk for wild mane, it's still better than vermeil team

[light widget]

what should I put for other rotation of lv3 fac?

[light widget]

yes e2

[astral tiger]

wait is your knight team all e2?

[light widget]

yes

[astral tiger]

ucz otherwise it'd be lower

oh ok

[light widget]

assume all baseskills are unlocked

[astral tiger]

u have aroma?

[light widget]

unfortunately no

[astral tiger]

oof

[light widget]

been waiting for her in shop

[astral tiger]

since u have dorothy prob use full rhine team as sub

dorothy salter and ptilo maybe

can later switch out for nasti if you are pulling her

[light widget]

actually I'm thinking of pulling for nasti since the S3 looks fun to use too

[astral tiger]

yeah so u can then switch out ptilo for nasti

[light widget]

wait so I need to put automation to 2nd rotation?

[astral tiger]

kal is a 2% to all facs right?

[light widget]

ye

[astral tiger]

I"d say switch out her and umiri

u can swap between umiri and gladiia instead of sakiko

[grave flume]

does rosmontis x waai fu work in a 2 op factory?

[astral tiger]

it should

[light widget]

switch out for? to the 2nd rotation?

[astral tiger]

switch out for vivi and ft

to use knight team in first rotation

that way gravel also gets a 7% boost

and u move weedy + purestream to lvl 2 fac

[light widget]

MH and umiri will be in the same rotation

lemme open my laptop first and edit the team ig, maybe I'm lost

[astral tiger]

well u can see how much diff the changes make before switching everything

[light widget]

brb

[grave flume]

any changes to make? also please do a suggest a team for GOLD FAC3
this is my krooster: https://www.krooster.com/u/metroplex_291

oh ok

[astral tiger]

no ignore that

I had a brain fart

[grave flume]

lol

i use wis - civ - amiya - hib2 - kroos2 and sakiko gng for CC

[astral tiger]

for your lvl 2 exp fac I'd say use conviction and feater together

and assign your presets accordingly:
conviction feater
conviction castle3
castle3 feater

that way u will maintain 65% bonus at least

dont wait for them to die fully

switch to new preset after 12hrs

[grave flume]

alr

[astral tiger]

rosmontis without any PI ops wont do anything btw

[grave flume]

oh shi

maybe i should try pulling for dorothy

[light widget]

ended up changing a lot in cc

[astral tiger]

ros aside, your vermeil team is slightly better than the frost-shira-vig combo

so u can use that as your main, also helps that it lasts long

[grave flume]

oh alr will do that

[astral tiger]

looks fine ig

[light widget]

[astral tiger]

although lot of micromanagement

[light widget]

hoping new MH ops will synergize with the old ones

[astral tiger]

didn't the collab get cancelled

lol

[light widget]

it's only gladiia management

[light widget]

u srs

[astral tiger]

well no new news

might aswell consider it not happening atp

[light widget]

coping later at cn stream

[astral tiger]

😭

wait true it's today right? the stream

[light widget]

yes around 5 hrs rn

[astral tiger]

doesn't yato die early

[light widget]

damn

[astral tiger]

although that was the case before too

[light widget]

who else can be on par with vigil in solo tp

[astral tiger]

but it was sub team

I don't think there's another solo 40%

best easy option is quartz with 34%

[light widget]

underflow is the only option, but still lower since vigil can reach 52%

[astral tiger]

u can use MH team in backup

vigil main with sakiko/kal + umiri in main team

or instead of sakiko/kal u can put amiya

since mh will cover the 7% tp in sub team

[light widget]

a bit

[astral tiger]

yeah now it's upto u between kal/umiri lol

[light widget]

sacrifices must be made

[hallow turret]

How is this chat

[astral tiger]

not bad but prob could be better

[hallow turret]

I got no prov :[

Provisk

Proviso

[astral tiger]

ah

yeah that's good then

but I was talking overall

exp and gold too

[light widget]

exp is a bit inconsistent how

[hallow turret]

Cuz uhhhh idk

I gave it 2 fac with 3 op

[wind otter]

brace thyself for true base update

[astral tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[sweet osprey]

Heheha

[proud temple]

Wonder if everyone just has proviso

[frank cipher]

should grab when 5* ticket available

[wind otter]

new AH?

[queen flicker]

how many 5* ticket do we usually get each year? one?

[wind otter]

that is usually the case, I don't recall seeing new 5 selector for this upcoming anniversary, 6 selector though'

[astral tiger]

7th anni has 5 star selector

they showed it with free savage

[wind otter]

that must have been when I dozed off, but I remember the Savage pot lol

[urban orchid]

Do we get Reception Room and Officr downgrade this time?

[rigid plume]

+30 Max Sanity cap

Some new items in Green Cert shop

And new Red Cert tokens

Oh yeah, one more thing

Key binding in PC on CN

(Still no news about PC in global lmao kek)

[astral tiger]

cuz global client is all pn yostar

on*

so we never getting that

[wind otter]

never say never, we thought we would never get pull history and now we have it and hasn't been updated since Mantra banner

[urban orchid]

The pull history by Yostar is too cumbersome, not integrated directly to the game. Hence, quite trashy...

[astral tiger]

beggars can't be choosers

good enough that we got it

[astral tiger]

on this note we wait till bellone shows up for us

if no pc client after that, we can safely lose hope

[valid storm]

I always forget about that site

[wind otter]

oh yeah, pc client came out around that. Would make sense Yostar needs to wait for the game version for which the client was optimized for, if the client is indeed handed down to them as they do for any game update. We can't forget Yostar hasn't fixed this "mistake" yet either, and they fixed the "Rport" typo in this section:

[astral tiger]

if they do somehow bring out the pc client at that time ima glaze them for eternity

[orchid bane]

[wind otter]

you're 243, where are your credits?

[orchid bane]

I just online

Have not claim anything

Literally 70 credit from yesterday

Ofc I have ongoing clue exchange and this week friend visit. Used last week

@wind otter just got home from work. Nothing new in CN base ?

I only saw emote react. Nothing else ?

[wind otter]

c'mon, be honest, you spent all your creds yesterday on furniture parts

[orchid bane]

[wind otter]

login furniture perhaps

[orchid bane]

[wind otter]

there seems to be a new game mode being worked on that was teased about mini games or something but may not be base related at all

[orchid bane]

[valid storm]

nah, paid furniture

[orchid bane]

Oh there are base update
||Aroma free skin HG sure not letting us down at all||

[pale yoke]

dont forget the emotes

because we spend hours daily agressively emoting in base

[wind otter]

It's free though, it's the furniture thing they announced while tearing down the all-in machine thingy gag

sooooooooooooooo, Kal'tsit = CC skill, Mon3tr = CC skill, therefore, obviously, Ka'ter = ||trainer||

[orchid bane]

Well at least we have clo. She can be a nice 80% workshop

[wind otter]

that sounds about right

[valid storm]

ah, you meant the interactive 'All' furniture

I thought you were talking about the collab furniture

[wind otter]

yeah

what collab furniture? little bronie?

or the collab with Voldemort?

[rigid plume]

<@&586570970345635868>

[bright crater]

Hey, I check the spreadsheet for the combos. And am sooo lost :)... can some one just give me screenshot of there base rotation and pre setups. So I just copy on my one.

I have the 423 setups and

[pale wind]

why you can’t copy the base team combo, it’s literally there for you adapt it base on what you have

[hasty tiger]

If you absolutely must be spoonfed search posts by flygon727 in this channel and copy some of the setups theyve made for people

[pale wind]

i have this old pic as example, but it’s outdated, mon3>kal, thornsalt should be with bryo and gravel, and vivi should go along flametail

[round lichen]

Switch to 252

https://youtu.be/sBw1UW03crs?si=lfmW2q75HK8EHem6

If you haven’t wasted power on your office and RR then you won’t have to downgrade your factories

[crude elm]

I'm counting I have enough power for for all left rooms lvl 3 (252) even when my rr, 1 dorm and office is lvl 2. What's the problem

Is it because I will not have power for training room?

[astral tiger]

yes

if u want left side fully maxed as a 252 with a lvl 3 training room all your right side facilities (excluding workshop) must be lvl 1 AND only use 3 dorms instead of 4

[ember hull]

Theoretically if you wanna use worldly plight for 252 2313, you should go for 60wp only right?

Like dusk ling chongyue cc + mr nothing tp + 2 sui

[round lichen]

Correct, Mulberry doesn’t give WP if HR is still Lv 1

[crude elm]

I guess for now I will not build the training room until end game which is still a long time probably

[ember hull]

No

Training room should be your priority after getting lv3 tp+ fac+workshop

Masteries are not endgame

E2 level 90 is endgame stuff, e2 level 60 mastery 3 is basic stopping point for building a 6star

[astral tiger]

lvl 90 is pretty pointless to do, depending on what units u have u can go without masteries for a long time

masteries would only really matter in CC

[ember hull]

I disagree, masteries will make/break harder casual maps especially when your roster is thin (aka when you're starting and you need to juice as much power as possible from every deployment slot)

And I don't mean cc levels, i mean like h stages, which realistically isn't endgame

[frank cipher]

lvl90 m9 actually early game (yes my SA max on 1st month)
only end game when you start lvling just to empty lmd,. regardless touch tr when you're rich

[astral tiger]

I mean it again depends on the roster, many new units are fine without masteries, if u look at sa2 itself his s2 has barely any gains from mastery for an account with a thin roster

even pram alter is good without masteries

and you can always borrow a support

[ember hull]

That's not the point, they're saying they don't wanna build the training room in the first place cos "masteries are endgame"

[astral tiger]

if someone is looking to maximize the base without having to run 3 dorms, it's not that bad to simply not get masteries

[ember hull]

Bruh just use more level 2 factories

[astral tiger]

Masteries being endgame is something I don't agree with, but that doesn't change the result that units are fine with it

[astral tiger]

but he doesn't want to?

[ember hull]

Cos using 3 dorms is psychotic and not using training room is even more psychotic

[astral tiger]

even if he can realistically clear all content without masteries?

sure it will take more strategizing

but you're putting it as if it's impossible

[ember hull]

Ok sure let's see if they can

[queen flicker]

ive been using 3 dorms for a while and eventually its not that bad. depends on your rotation tho

staggering and sharing sub teams between facilities helps with dorm space

what i mean is 3 dorms isnt that hard to manage

[barren condor]

is my base doing good? i also use drones in provisos TP

[light widget]

@astral tiger just got aroma in pull where do I put her

[summer kernel]

Is this a 16/8 rotation? People usually stagger waaifu and aroma in a 2slot so they can be synergetic after aroma's ramp

[light widget]

be disappointed, this is 24 hrs rotation

[summer kernel]

This is ok. You're missing like one gold fac worth of production assuming this is 2 XP, 3 Gold but it can just be due to in efficient ops and/or rotations

[summer kernel]

Like 24/8? Or 24/24? Don't use AH 😭

[light widget]

never gets old

I always like the reaction

[light widget]

I'm doing 24/24 but when I'm about to sleep I put AH team, then swap out after waking up

[ember hull]

Xp production seems abnormally low, are you running 243 with 1 exp?

[astral tiger]

how much was bubble vulcan?

62%?

[light widget]

it matches my 7 hrs sleep so it's fine

[light widget]

62

yes

[astral tiger]

use aroma + waai fu in taht fac

and put spot/haze with bryo

[light widget]

nasti left

tho im sucked dry

[astral tiger]

soon

[ember hull]

Isn't that cap-capped for 24hr rot?

Assuming 1 login per day

[astral tiger]

Idk how his 24hr rot works since he is using gladiia anyways

so I just assume it wont cap

cuz he did mention he's not letting gladiia die

[ember hull]

Is this one of those psychotic rots that go 17-7 shifts

[astral tiger]

so uhh some black magic going on

[summer kernel]

Lmao, if it's 24/24 then just swap waai fu+Gravel with Haze+Spot in one of the 2 slot 30facs and add Aroma to the other one. Aroma will last the full 24hrs.

[light widget]

waiifu can still benefit from cc bonus right?

like the mood reduction of cc

[ember hull]

Yes, just no self md

[summer kernel]

I think it'll be 24/0.95 for a two slot fac

[ember hull]

You can tell cos self md doesn't show up here

[light widget]

but my PS buff for gravel

[summer kernel]

Yeah this probably caps. Its probably optimal to sprinkle in some cap ops

[ember hull]

Meanwhile i still don't have my pinus ops built

[summer kernel]

Then make it your main team, aroma grav+PS is 43+42 over 24 hrs I think

[astral tiger]

you are already maintaining gladiia so u should be fine without using capacity increasing ops

[ember hull]

The true psycho rotation is the 12-17-7 rot

For maximizing sui worktime > gladiia during rest

[summer kernel]

Apparently Gladiia is just the sleep cycle. So it's actually 17/7/17/7? 3 slot facs def cap after 16 hrs

[ember hull]

Also requires lv5 dorms

[ember hull]

Big problem, you need lv5 dorms

Otherwise you don't heal fast enough

[summer kernel]

Lmao that 24hr setup does not need lvl 5 dorms

[ember hull]

17/7 does need level 5 dorms cos you want the 17 hr team to be back up after the 7hr rest

[jaunty notch]

which is totally possible with 2111

[ember hull]

How? Stack dorm skills?

[jaunty notch]

you have to think about this without considering the 12h

an op can work for 36 by default

32 for sui, sure

so even if they worked for 17h, that's like almost half their morale bar

[ember hull]

Ahhhhh ok i see you

[summer kernel]

Yeah you're not going from 0 > 24

[jaunty notch]

so you don't actually need even 7h to recover them

[ember hull]

The one that needs lv5 dorms would be 12-17-7 cos the sui team would be close to death

[jaunty notch]

and i'm excluding other factors like chong yue/mlynar's base wide morale reduction

[summer kernel]

Id stick a pod on Aroma and other +MD ops though. I think that one may need 7hrs?

[jaunty notch]

or if you're using dorm ops at all

nope, i run sui 28-30h and they still recover in like 7-8h

[ember hull]

Dorm skills?

[jaunty notch]

aroma if you're not using waaifu and other morale help then yeah she would be close

but i'm using her 24/7

if you're using her for 24h it's whatever

[jaunty notch]

you have the space

3 sui + ros + nothing + whis + eben is just 7 people

[summer kernel]

Aroma would need some help in a 17/7. Just slightly over 2.3 MR needed so a lvl 2 dorm or a skill

[jaunty notch]

all my rotations allow an aoe and st in every dorm

[ember hull]

Oh I'm still wondering if it's worth doing full sui without lv3 office, so just 60wp

[jaunty notch]

yeah you can just chuck her in lv2 dorm and add some help

[ember hull]

Or do you just go 3 cc sui + nothing for 60wp

[jaunty notch]

you can just ditch whisperain/mul

not max right means more slot in fac/tp

which is already better than 20% fac and other stuff

[ember hull]

It's mostly just nothing that loses 20% tp right? Ros loss is null from the slots gained

[summer kernel]

They should add PP cap skills. I'm surprised that isn't something HG explored yet. I think everything in Fyril's 17hr rot caps

[ember hull]

Actually, if i get lucky on wang banner, should i swap wis to 3 sui cc? Have dusk tank morale in workshop and only fill 1 shift?

Also ascalon will be replaced by eunectes one day

[summer kernel]

If you have Umiri from the recent event, you shouldn't run Wis at all. Since you run Mlynar for 2/3 shifts of MD, Wis does nothing for you unless it somehow reaches 48hr rots

[ember hull]

I run 3/4 mlynar shift

To boost pp to 3 shifts too

And yea it does get my lv2 tp to 4 shift rot

But it's so tight idt it's usable

[summer kernel]

Lvl 2 pp?

[ember hull]

Tp i mean

[summer kernel]

Lmao ok. I thought you were running some gimped monstrosity.

[ember hull]

The idea was 4 man fiametta cycle but it's too tight atm

The lifetime for proviso is like 48hr 2min or smth

[summer kernel]

It's probably inefficient to run a 48hr tp rot as opposed to 36hr since you don't really lose much with alt teams

[ember hull]

Yep

Also rn i have insane leeway with just 3shift lifetime

If i oversleep or have to delay opening base due to work i have enough time

Cos fiametta would not be at 0

I can be late by under 3 hours and fiametta will recover in time

[barren condor]

im running 252 with 3 gold fac and 2 xp since proviso consumes alot of my gold bars

[summer kernel]

other than Umiri, Exodia, M3+Swire, Eun, and the Kal/PS teams youre running, there's not much to gain. With Umiri, I'm not even sure if Gnosis, Delph is worth outside of cursed TP

[ember hull]

26k xp is kinda sus tho, you're using 75% teams still?

[barren condor]

yes

[ember hull]

Ok understandable

[summer kernel]

I think I get 26k XP on an off day

[ember hull]

Lies, impossibru

[summer kernel]

I do use my EXP facs as a flex though. Sometimes gold, sometimes AO

[ember hull]

I'm using this on 3 shift lifetime + vermeil as filler and with this idt I've dropped under 29k even on filller shifts