r-i-i-c

[pallid isle]

but yes you can stack single and aoe together

and you can also stack both of those with vendela

since shes a different type of buff

[little shard]

Is this good rotation set-up?

[pallid isle]

its a combo for starting yes. i would need to see the roster to say its best for you but yeah that should work

[little shard]

idk how to rotate btween 4 ops but i tried to rotate between 5 ops and gummy is in diffrent rotation as well

[pallid isle]

well for this you have to run tex and lapp together

so ultimately your rotating that pair

[little shard]

yeah

[pallid isle]

in addition to this new operator || perfumer alter|| has the same buff as vendela out on cn

so you can actually run in 2 different dorms 3 buffers

[little shard]

thats over kill

[agile atlas]

i ask this like alot of time but is there any base slave i need to up now? i think i did all i can XD https://www.krooster.com/u/nick

[pallid isle]

if theres nothing you can find in the base sheet that uses it then probably not

oh but checking myself

click e1

silver ash e2 i believe

jaye e1 IF or WHEN you have gnosis

[agile atlas]

alr ty:)

[pallid isle]

i need to check myself now when people get skills

bubble i think e1

beanstalk also e1?

mostly partners with vermil but i need to check the combo lol

[agile atlas]

i don't even know what combo or rotation i should do lmao

clueless about ts

[pallid isle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zYc2JU46X0XWmV7s1503bN4feRdOMa1eehrTQ2jGaiE/edit?gid=1263834449#gid=1263834449

actually never mind about bubble

you don't have vulcan or ceobe

[agile atlas]

yea XD

i just started like 21 days also so yeh

[pallid isle]

again i don't recommend anything e2 for base espeically at your starting level

but click e1 is solid and in general content solid 4*

[agile atlas]

tbh idh any use for him rn so i just leave him there rotting;-;

[pallid isle]

me noticing the logos e2 amyia and surtr

but even so

e1 units pay themselves back quickly

[agile atlas]

XD

[pallid isle]

Quartz e1 is 34%

That's about everything that I see at least

Pretty much I would just raise click and beanstalk then for now

If you want/need another above 30 worker quartz isn't to expensive

Try and get pure stream from recruit

She also requires e1 but is to this day one of the best gold workers

[vestal sable]

Click is a her

😭

[agile atlas]

Gulp tf is wrong is gender in arknight lmao

Ansel is a god damn man and click is a her?

[vestal sable]

Maybe the skin makes it easier to see

Wait no she's still wearing a skirt here

[subtle solstice]

how much exp should end game 252 base produce? mine is 45k rn

[queen flicker]

i guess thats 3 exp facs?

[pallid isle]

that seems like a good average

for 3 exp

actually maybe expect a tiny bit more but hard to say

2 exp for me gets me 35K but the 3rd combo isn't as strong so 45ish seems about right

[slender urchin]

Hello

[pale yoke]

[wind otter]

tfw no dorm presets

[regal snow]

(is it down)

@jaunty notch

[jaunty notch]

and it's not

[regal snow]

ok

[regal snow]

thanks

[dim mantle]

God my base sucks, need to do some fixing

Here’s my first presets

Factory one preset two is Frost Shiru Vigna

Factory two is Jessica Roberta Vanilla

Factory three is Minimalist Pure stream Meteor

Factory four is Steward Cement Beanstalk

Trade post one is Mousse Yato Quartz

Trade post two is Midnight Gummy Catapult

https://www.krooster.com/u/real-beige-aak-33l4

Here’s my ops

Yes I will get Proviso I GET IT

Anything I should change

[frank cipher]

your base layout is 243? n asking prov, poor gold reduce to atom

income good enough except low gold, check pin base team and combo

[frank cipher]

chestnut is for orundum, check pin base team n combo ,there's noob tab

[dim mantle]

More just saying since the last times I asked about base, it felt like Proviso was mentioned every two seconds

[frank cipher]

not your faul tho having her 120% better tho need to work on gold, atleast having her you can drone exp/gold if can't sustain lmd

[dim mantle]

Yeah

[dim mantle]

I have, and what I’ve made is what I made from it, I really don’t have anyone else better then chestnut, that or I’m missing whoever would be better there

Yeah, I was in VC with someone, and they had the base guide open as I set up everything, telling me me what to put with what I have, and who to E1 for base skills

[dim mantle]

I guess I just wanted to confirm this was the best I could do

[pallid isle]

Replace chestnut with pure stream boom extra 40% gold.

E1 haze as well for 30% worker for gold

Throw gravel in there

Use quartz in a tp over any 30% since you have them e1

Proviso and tequila are better separated when doing this as well

[queen flicker]

haze has the 30% gold skill at e0

[summer kernel]

Yeah sorry, that's some dirty code. Yesterday, someone asked if it was better to curse a Shamare TP with Proviso or keep Shamare's tailor skills ramped. Cho estimated it using an aggregated linear approximation and I just sim-ed it.

We both found that removing Shamare and the Beta tailor to curse with Proviso is slightly better for LMD output. But overall it's worse total production when you factor in the free Tequila gold.

Indubitably. Would never make it to prod without refactoring

[agile atlas]

hey guys i wanna ask how good is irizu low investment base rotation in the pinned guide?

cuz i wanna do a 1 to 1 copy of it XD

[queen flicker]

it's a good starting point but depending on your rooster you probably could do better with same low investment

[agile atlas]

is this good enough guys?

[queen flicker]

yes its fine

[agile atlas]

i'm like missing purestream to make it work better XD

[final mulch]

I've seen some people getting 100k per day

while I'm only getting 38-50k per day

so what can I do in order to at least earn 80k?

here are the rest of my factories

[meager meadow]

well, how much xp are they producing? what is their factory/tradepost ratio?

furthermore, are they cursing their proviso

a usual setup doesn't really go 100k consistently
60-80k at best, 50-60k without fiammetta the battery, 70-80k with fiammetta the battery

[pallid isle]

what exactly is "slightly more" are you just doing provsio swap in over beta with tequilla? I don't understand what your doing. if you do niormal cursed you get like 5-10K more a day running higher combo. so idk what you mean by slightly more lmd. I also don't understand why anyone would take beta out ever if your gonna do a single order and not shamare because shamare doesn't even add ramp after checking the icnrease + slightly increase numbers. what are you doing? does hidden gold still trump this somehow even though i been told proviso basically trumps everything else?I am so confused.

[meager meadow]

No fiammetta, i assume

you are not gonna be hitting that 70-80k figure without fiammetta to ensure proviso never dies

besides, i wouldn't consider hitting such a figure with 4 factories, considering a droned proviso counts as a whole TP itself

[final mulch]

I'm fine with 50k-60k

I rarely reach 50k anyways

most of my lmd production is around
38k - 47k

[final mulch]

no idea, I just saw someone showing off their lmd production

what would be the recommended setup to achieve the 50k-60k mark?

I don't have fiametta

[pallid isle]

even i don't hit 80K consisntently when i do cursed

fia is more then i thought as well tbf

[pallid isle]

first thing use exu with lumen

thats another 20% right there

you can replace exu on the other combo with a 30%

so nets you about 15%

[meager meadow]

well, for starters, make the changes umbral has mentioned
then adjust your presets to follow this pattern

gummy can be substituted by any other 30% skill
if you got e0 jaye, he replaces gummy, no questions asked

and drone the tp when it's proviso's turn, she scales up more with drones

when it's not her turn, you either a) drone xp because you have a ton of gold b) drone gold cuz you are drying up anw

option b is fake news for you, there is only option a

this nets you that 50-60k number reliably

sometimes proviso gets unlucky and ends up dealing with 3 bar contracts majorly

these are not time-efficient for her, and leave you with a smaller lmd report

this means nothing doe, as it doesn't happen frequently
-# its still a report ahead of everyone by 10k lmd loool

[upper pendant]

I wonder if we'll get more Base skill powercreep soon

[meager meadow]

waiter, another year of waiting for this gentleman to get goofy <insert faction> 5% single factory buff

[pallid isle]

basically just 5% increases over the course of every 6 months yep

5% net increase

we do get better gold worker semi soon so thats pretty big

its still months

i am really slow though also

i just realized i have a real 5% increase if i just use pozy team sinc eits 125% over 120% then i can still use hoshi in my cc instead of delphine (this only applies to cursed and proviso drones have a calculation i suppose into this but still)

[upper pendant]

I have less than positive opinions about those

-# then again now that HG has their own FULL fancy factory game which makes even more munny, they'll most likely put more resources to developing the factory system there instead of here

[queen flicker]

conviction and crownslayer soon

[pallid isle]

conviction sidegrades soon

[hollow hedge]

how much lmd on average a proviso (with quartz) as it's partner should be wielding?
I get...35k or so on average per 6 hours I think

Even with one uneleved factory I don't have much trouble with gold or levels cuz I legit got 500 gold in the stock rn

[queen flicker]

i believe around 50k daily. depends on your other tp too. with shamare maybe like 60k?

i'm planning this when conviction and crownslayer rerun. who would you prioritize with certs? i think pallas or mizuki are the easiest to fit in. all the other combos i'm missing too many operators, like for example pinus.

[hollow hedge]

I have shamare but I don't have tequila lol

Maybe 60k would be accurate, since everytime I go back I can get 35k or so

[hasty tiger]

Tequila is free from a side story

[hollow hedge]

I'm aware its just I got busy

and everytime I wanna

get him

an event happens

So I have to focus on that instead

💔

[hasty tiger]

It's like 5 stages. It's worth spending the sanity elsewhere

[hollow hedge]

hhmmm

fair okay I'll do get him

My adhd brain is weird

nother thing will be leveling him but it'll be worth it.

[hasty tiger]

You also don't need to estimate. The control center will just show you your daily gains

Lmd can get thrown off if you collect at different times each of the three days

But it's probably a better estimate than your per 6 hour thing you're doing

[hollow hedge]

oh alr

I didn't...knew that.

[hasty tiger]

Like I dorked mine up collecting late last night

[hollow hedge]

yeah my collection times are all over the place cuz I've got a really busy schedule, I cannot afford being all day, so I go with the route of swapping two operators in level 3 factories/post.

[hasty tiger]

I log in once at 8am and once at 8pm to do swaps.

[hollow hedge]

I try to do it at the morning when I can too

swapping two ops gives...12 hours of leeway, irrc?

instead of being exactly 6.

[hasty tiger]

I've got a couple different rotations going on. Two factories are sharing a team so it's 9 ops between the two

And then the other 3 do some sort of partial rotations

[hollow hedge]

honestly my planning is all over the place

😭

but hey gold factories are doing nice

exp too since its mostly

Vermil, Tragodia, Click.

And a viariatoon of those two.

[pallid isle]

no ms christine?

no kitty?

[hollow hedge]

I do replace Click with Miss Christine

does she need to be E1 or E2 cuz
i haven't LOL

[hasty tiger]

I think she wants e2

[pallid isle]

yeah i mean

its pretty expensive

[hasty tiger]

5/6* are always either e0 or e2

[pallid isle]

requires e2

[hollow hedge]

seems accurate.

[hollow hedge]

yeah sorry with my backlog that is not happening anytime soon

😭

[pallid isle]

don't worry about it in all seriousness

i just really love her

[hollow hedge]

I too love a Cat as an operator but

my goooood e2 stuff is expensive

[pallid isle]

we typically try and look at all 3 days for average

[hollow hedge]

and I like

4 casters to level.

[pallid isle]

is this 3 gold?

[hollow hedge]

yeah

Logos, Goldenglow and now... Mantra.

[pallid isle]

do you have proviso?

[hollow hedge]

yeah

[pallid isle]

then lmd seems low

[hollow hedge]

level 2 trading post

[hollow hedge]

I'm not sure what I be doing wrong tbh

[pallid isle]

exp is probably fine ig

[hollow hedge]

Gold I seem fine on (500).

[pallid isle]

its hard for me to compare and know exactly

[hollow hedge]

with Proviso I leave her with quartz and once proviso gets tired (half morale), I swap her out until they're good to go again.

[pallid isle]

i get 35 exp but i also run better stuff

[hollow hedge]

Which I think is what I should be doing

[pallid isle]

no fiametta?

[hollow hedge]

I don't have many better choices for TP aside from Shamare.

sadly no

and well Lemuen and ExuAlt

[pallid isle]

that would maybe explain it

[hollow hedge]

yeeah

[pallid isle]

then its probably not that bad/off

[hollow hedge]

hoping once I get tequilla it'll make my lmd better

Cuz man it's really been cucking my progress

[pallid isle]

ah that also is massive

ok its totally correct then and about the best you can run for now then most likely

no fia no teq

[hollow hedge]

I'm an IMPATIENT girl I NEED my operators leveled up NOW.

[hollow hedge]

Yeah I've been

[pallid isle]

not running a 40% running a 34% as best in slot for proviso

[hollow hedge]

busy!!!!

[pallid isle]

its just stuff thats i mean its all very expensive usually

[hollow hedge]

quartz is likely my best choice, at least as far I've seen.

Not sure what other good options I have
(Well, I mostly likely wouldn't have em)

But I see

[meager meadow]

💳 🧿 🧿
💳 👀
💳 🧿 🧿
💳 👀
💳 🧿 🧿

[hollow hedge]

siiiigh spending money on just lmd is kind of a waste tho tbh

those istant level and masteries packs tho

👀

[meager meadow]

you really only need monthly

[hollow hedge]

I spend a bit on my monthly card, i'm not really a whale

I spend on mostly event or anniversary packs

cuz those tend to be rlly good

[pallid isle]

idt theres any 40% tp that get a skill below e2?

[hollow hedge]

so mats wise I'm good

[meager meadow]

yeah that doesn't change here either

[hollow hedge]

Its just

[pallid isle]

someone can correct me

[hollow hedge]

LMD...

[meager meadow]

well just get fia on selector if you are that desperate

but there are much better choices in a selector when gameplay is involved

i used to earn 50-60k without fia (proviso mr nothing + tequila + glasgow delphine)

now it's 70-90k with fia

removing downtime on proviso is huge

[pallid isle]

i mean what we expect is 60-70 between the days

[vagrant portal]

Newbie 1 month old base

3 gold 2 exp

Lvl 2 fac is gold

Is it good

[pallid isle]

i mean your ready to downgrade the dorms and upgrade that last factory

but yes the reports are good for new player

[vagrant portal]

Does the TR lvl3 need the purple material

I mean like if i upgrade the fac to lvl 3 then i wont have enough energy for the TR LVL 3

then i would downgrade the fac but then i would waste the mats cause none of the building needs them

So does any of the building on the right side need the purple material

[tiny mist]

I cleared all presets to try and optimize my base a bit better. It's 252 but I am stuck with level 3 RR and Office :(

How should I get the max value? Sort by efficiency?

[pallid isle]

what material are you talking about

drones?

[vagrant portal]

No building material

[summer kernel]

this isn't talking about a full shift: someone just asked what method was best if you wanted to curse the Shamare TP with both Teq and Prov if they saw that it was close to finishing. Turns out keeping the tailors is best after factoring in the free Teq gold but the tailors actually makes more LMD. And it's really close.

Here is the original start of the discussion. We knew Proviso was strong but it's so strong that it's almost worth essentially resetting the Shamare team.

#r-i-i-c message

[pallid isle]

you can check what materials you need by going into building mode to check

[pallid isle]

yes i read all this

this still makes 0 sense

but sure

you have ZERO reason to take beta out

and you lose nothing by removing shamare assuming full ramp

[summer kernel]

You lose out on the initial curse. Keeping Shamare's ramp makes it so that the curse has lower odds of a 2 and 3 gold order. Proviso is so strong that it was estimated to be possibly better to remove the tailors

[pallid isle]

so is this correct or not

running glasglow for example should effectively be the same at max bibeak/beta

same ramp up

[summer kernel]

My calcs are based on these numbers and assume they are correct.

I think glascow is worse? Just based off the sheet? Of the top of my head: 135% TP vs like Shamare is 160%+ in total production?

[tiny mist]

I think I need some hand-holding on my base 💀

[pallid isle]

oh sorry i meant

bibeak siege morgan

delphine in cc

meme set up

[summer kernel]

Hey, how can we help ?

[pallid isle]

yeah what exactly do you need

[summer kernel]

Lmao, probably not great. why use tailor if you don't have Teq?

[pallid isle]

well its cursed

but the thing is like

ig only do that if no proviso

other wise even a 30% is fine over bibeak and just keep using proviso and tequilla

[summer kernel]

If you're cursing, just run max TP% then slot in Proviso

[pallid isle]

actually just thinking about funny no proviso but i wanna curse tequilla ig

[tiny mist]

I'm reading the sheet to try and figure out the best ones that I currently have atm

Uh, do I just record my base, show 'Overview' and go 'Edit' and sort by 'State' or 'Skill' for each room?

[pallid isle]

typically we use spreadsheets and make a layout

but i mean that also works

or screenshots of presets

[summer kernel]

id start with the NOOB tab, then slotting in any better teams that you have. If you have a team going, we can take a look and critique it for you but it's probably faster for everyone if you have a good try first

[tiny mist]

Right so just create presets for every room and guess how should I set up teams?

[pallid isle]

oh your asking from like a state of 0 you dont have any teams made up yet

yeah you should just start in noob tab then like scholar said

[tiny mist]

Ye I cleared all presets but I previously had teams and rotations

Found out that there is a better way because I should be producing 50k LMD instead of... 30k LMD with Proviso

Came here to ask for help since it's been some time since I updated my base.

[pallid isle]

pretty much just look around at combos

make a tp level 2 if you haven't already and upgrade a factory instead

use whatever highest% single there is with proviso

[tiny mist]

Yea kk

[pallid isle]

actually shcolar more meme questions

could you in theory have 2 level 2 tp if your doing cursed 24/7

is this better? (even if say automation is the only factory that i need leveled up) idk how much 15 or i suppose 30 in the far future is over the tp level for proviso

[pallid isle]

in theory even more but do you have teq or fiametta

[tiny mist]

I do

Both of them

[summer kernel]

If youre micromanaging every base interaction, the optimal base looks radically different but I don't remember if TP2 is even used. I think it's actually TP1 and heavy on the dorm

[tiny mist]

I'm definitely missing out

I can livestream rn if u want

[pallid isle]

nani

[summer kernel]

CN has really good working data on this but we're not allowed to talk about it here

[pallid isle]

well shamare combo and fia should get you around at least 60-65ishK lmd average

[pallid isle]

the forbidden tech

and tools

[tiny mist]

@pallid isle @summer kernel livestreaming base rn if u are interested in helping me out figure out the best possible lineup I currently own, u can ask questions for who I own or don't own

[summer kernel]

Sorry, I'm on the go rn. I can help when I get back to my laptop

[tiny mist]

Ye nws!

[pallid isle]

yeah give me a minute

[tiny mist]

lmaoo

Wait

[pallid isle]

a

[meager meadow]

bully someone here to make a sheet for you

[pallid isle]

so me

[frank cipher]

Tp1 shama/teq/bibeak etc..
sub texas/lappland/jay
Tp2 prov/quart/30%
sub 25-30%x3
e2 prov and tp is set
ps: texas last 24h but suffice for sub

[pallid isle]

i got baited into making presets for them

10/10 would get baited and bullied into it again

[pale yoke]

i just pretend preset patch never happened

[round dock]

did I understand that Wang works with Eunectes/GreyyAlter/Lancet in the PP?

[brisk dust]

Lappland team is higher performance, right?

[pallid isle]

no because of the way tequilla skill works in calculations

check this for a rough list of how much your making

[astral tiger]

bro sent the full list now

[pallid isle]

actually i just noticed the 1.6% from other whatever that means

firewhistle

[brisk dust]

Oh, you mean blue numbers (in table) don't include Tequilla buff (gold bonus) converted in any way to efficiency, right? So it's "+110.08% efficiency", which is worse than "+120%", but that gold "+18.52%" far outweighs the difference, right?

[pallid isle]

correct

so still use shamare combo

[brisk dust]

Yea, I'm using both anyway as these are my best 3 people teams, was just wondering which to prioritize

[pallid isle]

no fiametta?

[brisk dust]

Nope

[pallid isle]

makes sense then

[brisk dust]

New player and skipped banner which had her and Penance (Penance is such a cool character though, why does this gave incentivizes not rolling on those banners )

[full copper]

Hello. Currently have this and deciding if I should go last factory to 3 or RR to 3. I know road less camelot says fac but I see everyone on my friends list with 3 support so assuming they all have RR at 3. Any input on which to upgrade?

[astral tiger]

if u want to go for base efficiency, u would upgrade the fac

u can't downgrade right side buildings, so whoever upgraded it before knowing 252 is the better setup is stuck with that

[round dagger]

Nah usually most RR lv3 are old players, the guide 252 appeared kinda late...

Usually you don't want touch reception and office if you still care about income

Also maybe if you are so rich you don't care about 🧱 base income

[queen flicker]

whats the innate morale drain of pp?

[astral tiger]

1 morale per hour as usual

if u asking if it has any innate MDR then nope

[queen flicker]

same as lvl 2 tp/fac?

[astral tiger]

lvl 2 tp/fac has -0.05 mdr

pp is like cc

doesn't have any

simply put, if you aren't using mlynar or similar unit in cc

md in pp will be 1 - 0.25 (from full cc) = 0.75

units will work 32hrs

[queen flicker]

i see thanks

[queen flicker]

if i made the calcs correctly, something like this would allow pp to work for exactly 36h right?

[astral tiger]

12hr shift each row?

7.2 drain on first shift

9 on others

18+7.2

nope, won't last

[queen flicker]

isn't 6?

[astral tiger]

1-0.25-0.15

0.6 from mlynar

times 12 is 7.2

[queen flicker]

but mlynar itself is -0.15 right. then -0.1 from mon3tr and another smiley

[astral tiger]

smiley only gives mdr to cc lol

only mlynar is able to use that mdr from smiley and give it to other facs

[queen flicker]

i mean, mlynar has -0.1 in pp, rr and hr

and -0.05 in cc

[astral tiger]

ohhh

wait yeah he gives extra

so 0.25 0.1 and 0.15?

[queen flicker]

i think yes

[astral tiger]

6 drain first shift then

so 36 hrs would work

[queen flicker]

would like some leeway tbh

[astral tiger]

not sure how much leeway you would have in this case

with mlynar, why not just run him for whole duration?

instead of swapping out immediately after 12hrs I mean

[queen flicker]

the other 3 shifts with kroos alter and hoshiguma alter thats -0.1. so 0.65 which let all of them work for ~37h

i have to calc if replacing some kroos alter shifts with mlynar is enough

[astral tiger]

well good luck with that 🫡

[queen flicker]

you know the funny part. i dont even have mlynar. but just in case i get him i'll know what to do

[pallid isle]

since i am doing cursed i kinda dropped mylnar and chung

but idk

maybe i should still be using them

[arctic prism]

idk about mlynar but chungus still worth no?

[pallid isle]

for maxed office ofc

for me idts

i mean i sometimes use it but its rare

quite situational

[viral quarry]

Where can I see the CN furniture sets? Want to know which to save for, and wiki.gg only has the Global releases.

[summer kernel]

CN wiki
Scroll all the way down for the new seta
https://m.prts.wiki/w/家具商店/历史记录

[glad hill]

for originium production, is it better to farm 1-7 or 14-11 sanity- and LMD-wise?

[limpid frost]

what's the morale drain rate for reception room?

[gritty fractal]

Are there any 243 setup resources that are still actively maintained, ideally with easy rotations?
I found some that are a year old, so should still be decently accurate but maybe there's something better

[round lichen]

1-7

[limpid frost]

isn't it literally the same as 252 but with one fewer factory?
also, why

[round lichen]

Morale drain is 1/hour, -0.25 if you have a full CC. Ops like Młynar & Chongyue can reduce it further

[gritty fractal]

Can't be exactly the same because of different factory levels, right?

I like having everything maxed and easy to use cause base is pretty annoying tbh
The 252 examples I saw seem to need like 6 different teams for a rotation so can't really handle it with presets

I should mention that I took a long break so still getting back into things. Missing a couple meta ops because of that as well

[glad hill]

Yeah okay 16≠21 ur right

Made a trust farm for it anyway

Do Chestnut's skills stack with each other?

[summer kernel]

Yes. You get 45% AO

[meager meadow]

i heard you pay 60 bucks to gato for a custom 243 rotation
-# for obvious reasons, this is a joke; just use the 3 team combos present in the base guide and stagger using 2 more teams (1 more if it's TP)

[round lichen]

243 uses tons of resources on building dorms, which only gets value if you save time resting your ops. If you don’t want to login every 6 hours to swap out your resting ops then 243 is not the right fit for you and 252 is a better allocation of resources.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to with needing “6 teams” for a rotation, or why that would be different in 243 since you still have to find 18 workers for the main facilities regardless. Are you talking about how staggering requires some manual swapping and can’t be fully automated? You don’t have to stagger for 252, it just saves you from needing to use bad workers or waste dorm slots to rest them. 243 can also benefit from staggering, and in fact staggering 243 is more work since it has more Lv 3 facilities

[meager meadow]

i think he saw gato's sheet lmao

i agree with beagle though

maxing those facilities will be a bigger drain on LMD that you could have spent on modules or character levels & promotions

in the event some team(s) become tired, yes the 243 setup gets them running back up more quickly than 252.
However, the 252 setup's higher productivity means it catches up on that lost production quicker than a 243 setup.

At any rate, take a look at the base combos guide and form your base working force yourself first; you can always ask here for optimization or other questions afterwards

[mystic beacon]

for base skills, like amiya's "agreement" where if she is assigned to the control center, it increases trading post efficiency and says that only the most effective one will take effect, does that only include other ops assigned to the control center, or to the specific trading posts as well? (is amiya's base skill useless?)

[meager meadow]

highest TP efficiency boosting skill will be given preference first, if amiya-like workers are present

so, the former

[mystic beacon]

hmm

i don't really understand

[meager meadow]

lets say you have 2 operators A & B
A increases Trade Post efficiency by 7%
B increases Trade Post efficiency by 10%

Both state in their skills "Only the most effective one will take effect"

You put both in the CC, and the game considers B's skill only; A remains unused until B runs out of morale

[mystic beacon]

ok that part makes sense, my question was about how those interact with the ops that are in the trading post themselves

if i have midnight in the trading post giving "order acquisition efficiency +30%" and amiya in the CC giving +7% trading post efficiency

[meager meadow]

if amiya gives 7%, it adds 7% to the total efficiency of each trade post

if you just have midnight in a trade post (30%), this gives you 37%

[mystic beacon]

ok thank you, this makes sense to me now

[eternal gyro]

Hey2, i have spare resource to E2 2-3 op (5-6 stars) for base.

If i need your suggestion, should i drop my krooster, or just screenshot of my base slaves?

[pale wing]

Krooster good

[eternal gyro]

https://krooster.com/u/redinstead

Ive been running the oldskul base, with 30% productivity. But since we have lots of update for the past 6 months, i might have better base combo.

I read the link about the combo, but still cant weigh if the combo is worth to run (e.g.: the Ebenholz team, the Pinus, etc)

[pale wing]

u should e1 gitano btw

Minor but also very cheap improvement to rr

[pale wing]

Are you running gnosis combo

Someone else should probably give a 2nd opinion on this cuz i’m still learning riic myself

[vestal sable]

Lemme check ig

[pale wing]

gnosis in cc, jaye courier matterhorn should be a lower tier version of the full combo u can do with no extra investment needed i think

[vestal sable]

I see vulcan

[pale wing]

You can also do the babel squad i think?

[vestal sable]

E1 bubble + e2 vulcan + e2 ceobe/e0 bena(i prefer bena so I can use ceobe for vermeil)

Just e2ing vulcan should give u this factory team

[pale wing]

Civlight is already e2 and even e0 hoederer is still 30% worker

I have no idea if e2ing hoederer is worth it, i hear he gets used in IS but idk if that requires archetto

im looking for base ops that also have combat utility, to clarify

[vestal sable]

Doesn't require cheeto but only really in is5

He's like the best guard in is5

Crownslayer e2 is +35% exp as well if u want that, with her y module she's pretty alright if u wanna use her

Underflow and hoederer at e2 are +40% workers, one is cheaper, other actually has a use

FEater to e2 would also be 35%(30% at e0) and she has some use in is3 ed4 iirc, especially since u don't have weedy

[pale wing]

How do u even get bibeak now

[vestal sable]

Cc shop

Or yellow/blue certs

Ideally just cc shop tho

Paprika, diamante and kafka have the exact same base skill fwiw

[eternal gyro]

Thx a bunch everyone, i need to read the detail first

[pale wing]

Yeah but raising kafka is account dmg

Ig paprika or dia works

I just value bibeak higher cuz she’s a cutie and stun shenanigans are sometimes fun

So summary of my suggstions:

• e1 gitano for small but cheap rr worker upgrade
• gnosis in cc, jaye courier matterhorn in TP might be worth using
• wisadel civlight amiya in cc, ines in rr, hoederer in TP is worth using and hoeder might be worth e2ing for +10% bonus and has combat uses
• look into e2ing bibeak, paparika, or diamante for the shamare tequilla TP combo

[eternal gyro]

Thx!.

Might consider Feater, Vulcan, crownslayer as well. Need to check my chip stock

[pale wing]

Are you already using amiya/ascalon and kal/mon3tr in cc

it sucks u dont have swire

[eternal gyro]

Yes. Another combo is Mylnar team

[pale wing]

Are u using the mizuki combo

[eternal gyro]

Mizuki for off rotation, replacing Purestream, gravel, and haze

Mizuki + standardization team.

[pale wing]

Wait

I didnt notice the degenbrecher the first time

[eternal gyro]

I find it difficult to compare Multi room combo (gnosis for example), with normal 30-35% productovity op

[pale wing]

Gnosis jaye degenbrecher courier/matterhorn should be better

Maybe?

Nope

Need silverash i was wrong

[pale wing]

Er

Who do you have working for bryo if u have both haze and gravel taken

Wait do u not have bryo

[eternal gyro]

I dont have bryo T.T

[pale wing]

bro go get bryo

[eternal gyro]

Need to wait for rerun right? he cannot be obtained for new player

[pale wing]

Adele hasnt rerun yet?

[astral tiger]

adele restoration is avaiable

go get it

[pale wing]

No it definitely has rerun

Go get bryo

[eternal gyro]

Ah right! how can i missed that.. Thx!

This is the combo ive been using. The Mizuki is to replace Purestream, Gravel, and Spot

[eternal gyro]

I guess bryo is E2 priority too ya?

[frank cipher]

best gold in 3slot fac, you should after finish tp

-# somehow he's in 2 slot

anyway he's 35% + 5% every metal op skill

[eternal gyro]

Does my productivity calculation accurate? im not sure about interaction between Waaifu and Purestream

[astral tiger]

shouldn't it be 125?

[obsidian inlet]

Since Snegurochka is now released, is running her with Bubble and Vulcan better than running with Bena? I don't run the Weedy combo cause I don't have her raised and don't have Eunectes

[astral tiger]

45 40 40

[astral tiger]

bena is 31% so no

[eternal gyro]

i use this number

[astral tiger]

45 from aroma, 40 from waai fu, 40 from purestream

125

bryo is correct

[eternal gyro]

Ah right, i use the average for Aroma, at 36%. So, Waaifu still get 40% even if i run purestream ya?

[astral tiger]

she doesn't get the % from purestream nope

[eternal gyro]

Yes, i mean, even if she doesnt get anything from purestream, she stil get max 40% from others

[astral tiger]

yeah aroma can max her

@obsidian inlet sneg would cancel the prod from bubble + vulcan so u can't use her there

Had to re-read her skill

[obsidian inlet]

She cancels them out too? Damn that's weird

[astral tiger]

she's like weedy

cancels everyone that does not give prod based on facility

[obsidian inlet]

Ohhh

[little ledge]

Guys are the spreadsheets EN-based or CN-based?

And also how to Snegurochka

[astral tiger]

The spreadsheet does have CN ops listed

under the new ops section

to use sneg, pair her with weedy and purestream

[little ledge]

Ok so weedy and purestream got effectiveness,while Snegurochka got the capacity?

[astral tiger]

capacity doesn't matter

u use them together because snegurochka doesn't remove whatever efficiency bonus they have on their own

if u pair with any other op, their efficiency % will get removed by sneg

[little ledge]

That doesn't affect others capacity right
She only removes % right?

[astral tiger]

yes

[little ledge]

She can be used with Vermeil then

Another Vermeil's partner

[astral tiger]

she will remove the efficiency...

[little ledge]

Ohh...

Oh yeah another thing
Does cap matters?
my Bubble team is the most satisfying team i've ever build

[astral tiger]

Only matters for units that can actually convert that cap to prod%

or if you're trying some weird "Not gonna login for 24hr setup"

otherwise cap would only matter if you're orundum farming cuz then factories clog faster

[little ledge]

This is me btw

[astral tiger]

😭

yeah then u gotta worry about cap

[little ledge]

As long as i dont have sanity i'm not logging in

I mean +46 cap bro
That makes my fac has 100 cap

On the other hand,i got Vermeil cheap xp that has +31 cap, that makes 85 cap

On the other part again,when i log in and my fac/tp full,i collect it

[gritty fractal]

That was definitely one of the examples I saw and it looked terrifying

I'll try to come up with personal rotations for 243 and 252 and check if the difference makes a swap worth it for me

another quick question: I see az least some setups use a 0 mood lancet. If I include that, can I never use the auto rest function? Or is there a way to specifically exclude lancet from dorms?

[little ledge]

Ahh yes,dead lancet strategy

[gritty fractal]

feels bad to miss operators for base
wish I had never stopped playing

[little ledge]

I'mma think that u got Zumama right?

[gritty fractal]

I have everyone up to Ascalon and then only a few since then

trying to catch up on missing ops now but getting specific ones obv takes time

[astral tiger]

gotta remove lancet each time

and not click it accidentally lol

or u can put him in and just craft something using lancet in workshop before putting eun and greyy2 in facilities

so pick your poison

[gritty fractal]

alright, screw lancet
I can live with slighty lower productivity

[vestal sable]

Sneg is sorta irrelevant without weedy and even if u have weedy u might not use sneg

[jaunty notch]

all her possible uses are already listed in the NEW section

[queen flicker]

so the other day we discussed this and the conclusion was that pozy team is not worth it (in that particular set up) because you get slighty more % tp but loses % gold. but i didn't take in consideration that glasgow eats a cc slot. without delphine, you could fit in viviana, flametail, etc which probably makes up for that % lost in gold.

depends on your cc workers tho

[gritty fractal]

Following up on my 243 question from yesterday. I used the pinned spreadsheet to map out my current 243 and a possible 252 that should be decently close to optimal with my current options. Want to make sure I'm getting this right before I make any changes.

I assume to get a proper comparison I should be looking at balanced gold droning.
If I read this correctly I'm losing ~11.5 sanity per day with my 243 setup. With these values that would be 1.88m less LMD per year but 759k EXP more. Delta of 1.12m resources I'm missing

[pale wing]

Which sheet is this

[gritty fractal]

from zyffy, (5) in pins

missing some newer ops I think but I don't have them anyway so didn't matter to me

These are the versions I adapted to my operators
252:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kmmUxgkG_MlJc8nggV9MvpyW2VBOUoMndbe2_UVdBjM/edit?usp=sharing

243:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15EWaM6XBw3raKNwuMeUk-UZGG0JlPSBHCh2eEcK8lUk/edit?usp=sharing

[pale wing]

Anyone know if an updated planner sheet exist

[arctic prism]

it doesnt lol

[pale wing]

Pain

Is there a good way to share your current rotation without taking a million pictures of the RIIC directly

[arctic prism]

making your own spreadsheet lol

can probably copy formatting from existing ones made by others if you want to do that instead

[arctic prism]

also i didnt look too deeply into the rotations but this conclusion looks more or less correct to me

[gritty fractal]

yeah that's fine, thanks for checking. could probably squeeze out a little more but I don't wanna invest too much time into this when I'm trying to catch up on operators anyway

The difference is less than expected but that's probably due to maxed right side

my main concern right now is mood recovery taking too long with low level dorms
primarily workshop ops

[round lichen]

Waai Fu will be stuck waiting for Aroma to ramp up, average prod for 12 hours would be 109.16%

Swap Ptilo and Purestream to make Waai Fu a constant 40%

[sage sky]

Where are the rock farmers. I've got nothing to do besides 1-7 and wanted to know the orundum yield if I had 2 factories and 2 postal offices focused on orundum production

[frank cipher]

1k

[little saffron]

????????????????????????????????????????????????

@valid storm They fixed the background bug but not the bug itself?

[summer kernel]

less than 4% increase seems kinda low but it probably depends on teams.

Im more concerned about that LMD to EXP ratio. What is that 2.1?

[eternal gyro]

Right, ive made an adjusment for this

This is my team now.

Next I wanted to do is to build Highmore team (blue font = next build, red font = not good).

I guess that will be the peak of my productivity for now ya?

Not happy with Vermeil team

[valid storm]

what was the bug?

[rigid plume]

I see now.

Look at the left and right corner.

Windows are horizontal.

[valid storm]

oh

Lol

[eternal gyro]

Eh nvm. Highmore team doesnt work without Flametail T.T

[gritty fractal]

I could make some tweaks to get exp a bit higher but the solution for this would just be to swap one factory to exp when necessary, no?

I may be misremembering but isn't farming the exp stage also a bit better than lmd stage? So a small surplus of kmd could make sense

[meager meadow]

you definitely are misremembering lol

farming exp or lmd stage is a loss regardless, but if you are a whale and you must, then producing xp is more valuable in base than lmd, which is why whales switch to a 153 setup and go all in on the lmd stage with refills

your setup is also fine

not sure why the focus on workshop ops recovery

arene nian for t5
9cd, 80% or above for t4

i doubt your lmd/xp generation can keep up that well to build units consistently enough to require workshop ops topped up within 6 hours

[little saffron]

This is Reception Room

[valid storm]

wait what

you could have placed normal furniture there

[little saffron]

The game still lets me decorate, but now with style

[valid storm]

[queen flicker]

you can use mizuki highmore silence alter for 95%

also i think you should pair aroma with waai fu and use anything except purestream as the third worker

[gritty fractal]

Thanks for clarifying!
I have a massive stockpile of every resource (except for the newest material) so I currently use ~6 operators 2-3x per day in the workshop just to catch up on my todo list + preparing for new ops

This is definitely whale territory so it's probably a bit different from the average

[hollow mural]

is there any base that last 24 hours? I have limited free time due to job and study

[pale wing]

doesn't that describe the vast majority of setups

it's 1 morale drain/hr default and workers have 24 morale, without even factoring in the command center

[astral tiger]

factories would fill up before that

[pale wing]

i see

[astral tiger]

so you'll have to run units that increase capacity

[meager meadow]

lol i see, in that case, more power to you

[gritty fractal]

I'll probably make the swap after next banner

[pale yoke]

[strong summit]

Do you guys advise to lock Dorm blocks for those who can boost morale? lvl 1 dorms and considering both single targets and whole row

[pale wing]

I take the opportunity to use arene and stainless for workshop when i shift change so personally, no

[frank cipher]

1 aoe each dorm is suffice, can put both aoe/st in 1 dorm for ded op.

[round lichen]

It only really makes sense to lock dorm workers if you use the “rest all” button, which messes up your Arene/Stainless fodder and dead Lancet
Plus most people don’t even need dorm workers since they do 12-hour shifts

[azure hound]

My RIIC is a mess and everyone is exhausted and my gains have heavily dropped

Is there a up to date source on base synergy?

[wraith tinsel]

Sakiko team is never optimal to use in base, right? I'm looking at base comps and can't seem to find one that's better than what already exists

[arctic prism]

if you have everything then no, not optimal
should only be used if you dont have access to better combos

[limpid frost]

what's the point of greyy alter's e2 ability?

[orchid bane]

For the op like Weedy Eunectes passenger windflit

Although he doesn't take alive robot, but dead robot work. So Eunectes in CC with 0 morale lancet and greyy2 is a thing

[eternal gyro]

Is there a way to accelerate fia's resting time? Here i just put AOE and ST dorm worker, but not sure if thats working

[astral tiger]

can't increase her morale gain

[orchid bane]

-# ||coldshot send her morale but she throw them away like garbage ||

[astral tiger]

[wraith tinsel]

kk sounds about right, I have everything except Sui/Mr. Nothing team and even then I don't see a benefit to their team

ty

[pale wing]

Big rosmantis

[solar oyster]

Is Wordly Plight generation team worth it if I have only Chong and Shu?

[pale wing]

only chong and shu of the sui siblings, or only chong and sui of the entire combo

[solar oyster]

Of the Sui. I have Nothing and Mulberry

[pale wing]

do you have saileach

[solar oyster]

Yes, I do (And she's E2 apparently...)

[pale wing]

might be worth it maybe

trading like -5% HR speed for a 45% TP worker via mr nothing

wait for someone smarter to give a second opinion

[solar oyster]

It's like I have 4 slots for TP
1st Is Jaye/Sash/Matterhorn(under Gnosis)
2nd Is Courier and someone with the most productivity
3rd is Texas/Lappy/Exu

4th is vacant for something good

[pale wing]

proviso?

maybe post your krooster

[solar oyster]

1st I need to make one...

Well, Proviso sounds nice

[sly compass]

noticed that increased + slightly increased have the same effect as just one increased in the base spreadsheet

in regards to tailoring

obviously this doesnt matter since shamare is stuck on tailoring alpha wheres bibeak will be on alpha or beta for e0/e2, but do alpha and beta not stack?

cuz it looks like alpha + alpha do stack

also i just realized but do i basically just brick chongyue if i need to use the training room

[pallid isle]

beta = increased alpha = slightly increased

so again like your saying from the sheet increased + slightly is the same effect or rather beta + alpha is the same effect as just beta

yeah its not that relevant really since the hidden bonuses of bibeak and tequilla are so massive that having a flat 90% trio still is just better overall

it does mean you can freely use proviso over shamare to help mitigate rng a little bit if its just one order or something

you don't have to worry about losing her ramp but you do about bibeaks (beta) but again theres not really much you can use that outweighs shamare in the slot anyway

[pallid isle]

so theres a couple different things here that you can do

one is that training pretty much even without logos and irene can be lowered down to about 12 hours even on M3 with a high end trainer so you can plan your rotaitons around this (i have done this in the past)

the other is that you can place sui's inside RR

becuase clues are such low value and remember there still 6 star units so they have a decent base amount of clue speed to give as it is that your not really losing out much from this

[meager meadow]

who do you currently run for tp teams
if it includes jaye, is he e0 or not

knowing your cc team would be worthwhile too

[meager meadow]

I will give you the numbers to decide with
Assuming lvl2/lvl3 office, Nothing would have 40/50% efficiency { 5 [cy] + 5 [shu] + 20 [nothing] + 10/20 [berry] }
However, running CY without Ling in CC means he will be working with a +0.5 morale consumption debuff
factoring in CC's innate morale drain reduction, he will be working for 19.2h only
even if we can include 2 smileys at best, that's pushing to 20.8h
-# post note: running the Alter team in conjunction with CY+Saileach should work out fine, provided you have 2 of the core units present. However, this would mean losing out on a FAC/TP buffer. Additionally, certain buffer duos like Hoshi the Breacher+Swire can end up getting locked out if you choose to go with this, due to morale math not working out in your favour

would Nothing become a decent partner for Proviso with this? Totally
Can this allow you to free up power for another lvl2 factory if you accidentally leveled up Office and Reception Room to max while running 252 setup? For sure
Will the rotation be usable in a 12h interval format? No, you will have to adjust for this slightly by logging in earlier to switch this team out a bit early on their second shift

Is all that worth it to run this combo? Hard to say without knowing your current teams, your base setup. Would suggest looking at the 4th option in the index present inside channel pins i.e the Base Combos guide, assess the value of this switch yourself first

[hasty shadow]

Should my base factory highest proficiency combo be for my lvl 3 factories or it's equally good to have my best combos on lvl 2 factory? I have 2 lvl 3 facs and 3 lvl 2 facs

[meager meadow]

hmm, how do I put it

some combos only really work when they are put as a whole trio; not possible to split them even
that's one consideration
ofc, one more benefit is the higher prod combo suffers less from sitting idle after hitting max cap of factory in a lvl3 fac, since the odds are miles lower there
but only the first reason is really the main deal. your latter point is what's the usual case of handling it, especially with max right 252

as an example for the first reason, teams like vermeil ones are better off in a level 3 compared to automation, rhine lab, bubble etc.

[hasty shadow]

I'm asking for like waai fu and aroma, which is my strongest 2 people, but also 3 people combo. Does it matter if they are in lvl 2 or lvl3 factory?

[meager meadow]

they can work in a level 2 one, its fine

and they definitely can work in a level 3 one too by extension

[pallid isle]

with mylnar/chong together that combo can still last 3 shifts so its fine

even if you run waaifu for only 2/3 aroma lives for 3 i believe

[eternal gyro]

Hey everyone. Need help with CC combination. I put the usual operator at the right, but not sure if it is optimized

[frank cipher]

cc1 amiya kals jess Wis CE
cc2 ascalon monster mylnar raidian heavyrain
just use dorm skill to increase mr

[eternal gyro]

Ah thx. But does Reed/Kestrel MR Dorm skill, stack with other operator that positioned in Dorm? like durin

[frank cipher]

it does stack, can use kestrel if she e2 if not better use other with smily skill

[eternal gyro]

Gotcha!

My base combo have highest productivity with Jess on CC. Thus, i'd like to boost Dorm as much as possible whenever the 1st shift is resting

[pale yoke]

[frank cipher]

in that case
cc1 amiya kals jess Lava Alter/Kroos Alter/Hibiscus Alter
tho idk how long jess in cc if can last 3 shift ok, if not better stick CE,Wis

[limpid frost]

gonna temporarily upgrade my dorms to clear out the campaign missions for total ambience. would it be better to craft the materials or downgrade my activity rooms for mats?

[rigid plume]

Let me ask - why you did built Activity Rooms first?

Before everything else.

[limpid frost]

i already have everything maxed for 252 setup

i maxed out activity rooms after

i just didn't notice the ambience missions until now

[rigid plume]

Well, craft the mats Ig

Because downgrading will return only portion of wasted.

[round lichen]

Even if Kestrel is E0, Młynar will still spread the morale drain reduction to other facilities. Only the CC will die faster

[frank cipher]

kestrel got smiley at e2 tho, idk if cc dorm buff still count as smiley

[eternal gyro]

Does the timer accurate (assuming there will be no change in base OP)? It shows 14:30 hours for Bryo & team, while Haze should have longer usage

Actually, i dont know what x / 24 mean, and the hours mean 🙂

[astral tiger]

Timer shows how long the op will work or how long before the factory cap is full

x/24 is the morale

total 24 morale, currently at 7 for bryo

[eternal gyro]

Aaaah, that what it meant.. thank you

[grave flume]

https://krooster.com/u/metroplex_291
can anyone help me what teams i can make for EXP and GOLD FAC? i am willing to e2 a few operators if need be

[pale wing]

e1 Conviction frostleaf quartz matoimaru please

[hasty shadow]

is aroma worth it for her skill?

[meager meadow]

Worth if you wanna invest in base workers, not worth if you are expecting a feasible RoI

[hasty shadow]

Rol?

[astral tiger]

return on investment

[solar oyster]

What is Chen³ base skill?

[hasty shadow]

dont i get my return on investment rather if i invest in the stronger base ops? isnt it just a matter of time then?

[astral tiger]

check the sheet

[astral tiger]

proviso aside it takes like an year or more to get returns for 5* and 6* ops

[solar oyster]

WP is Plight?

[astral tiger]

yes

worldly plight

[hasty shadow]

is there a tool where i can export my current base operation setup?

[hasty shadow]

https://www.krooster.com/u/tastic
What can I improve? I currently use:

fac3 (Gold):
Gravel, Hazel, Vanilla (Bryophyta later <- worth it?)
Bubble, Bena, Vulcan (todo <- worth it?)

fac3 (Exp):
Vermeil, Trag, MsChristine
Fang2(todo), Fang, Kroos

fac2 (Exp)
FEater(todo), Jessica
Vigna, Frostleaf

fac2 (Exp)
Perfumer, Shirayuki
Totter(Todo), Ptilopsis

fac2 (Gold)
Purestream, Spot
Aroma(todo), WaaiFu(todo) <- worth it?

TP3 (Gold):
Tequila, Midnight, Kafka
Lappland, Texas, Mousse

TP2 (Gold):
Proviso, Quartz
Gummi, Catapult

[astral tiger]

change main tp3 team to lemuen exu2 and ambriel

e1 ambriel and purestream

get castle-3 from recruitments for a 30% exp worker

get bryo from adele restoration

even if u don't e2 him, just get him at least

for your current setup I wouldn't e2 aroma and waaifu

[hasty shadow]

is this for tequila, kafka. midnight? I heard that its not so good without shamare.

[astral tiger]

yes, and teq isn't worth without shamare

once u get shamare u can run sham, teq, kafka/bibeak team

but for now your main team should be exu2, lemuen and ambriel

it will give 105% prod

that's all ig, if I missed out something, someone else will prob chime in

[raven folio]

Uh guys who should i add with Proviso idk how to build base

[pallid isle]

proviso is just whatever highest% partners you have

if not max left downgrade a tp to level 2 and keep her there with a single highest% partner instead

[vernal palm]

dropped below 50 stockpiled gold for the first time... going to need to stop droning TPs for a bit

[round lichen]

I wouldn’t raise Fang2, “best 5-star charger” is insane cope. 999 times out of 1000 you will prefer agents or flagbearers. Vulcan is similar, you probably won’t use her unless you get into nichenights clears, but she at least has a paradox sim so you get a bit of orundum to help recoup the cost of raising her. Waai Fu could be worth it since she’s good in IS6, but judging by your E1 Raidian you might not play enough to get value from her.
For other optimizations, you can stagger the Lv 2 facs to free up better workers. For example:

fac2 (exp)
FEater Vigna
FEater Frostleaf
Vigna Frostleaf

Fac2 (exp)
Perfumer Shirayuki
Perfumer Ptilopsis
Shirayuki Ptilopsis

Fac2 (gold)
Jessica Purestream
Jessica Spot
Spot Purestream

This frees up Aroma, Waai Fu, and Totter to go work in the Lv 3 Facs

[round lichen]

Stop using Eureka with Shamare!!
There is a subsection of the base teams and combos guide (link 4 in pins) that goes over the best workers to pair with Proviso

[pale yoke]

meta defining eureka shamare meme combo

[meager meadow]

yes and yes, hence why feasible/satisfactory added
if it takes too long to give a return, it's usually better to just save up and dump on an operator you would use in gameplay

beagle's review of your presets should give you plenty of insight for this

[round dagger]

Might as well add pepe on your shamare combo

[grave flume]

is it important to e2 beak for shamare team?

[rigid plume]

E2 an order buffing is not explicitly necessary, but would be appreciated.

If you have a big queue to E2 ops, it's better to do it as last priority.

[grave flume]

alr thanks

[normal lava]

which ones the better

[scarlet coral]

Proviso TP always better to drone than Tequila?

[hasty tiger]

Top

[normal lava]

yuh 👄

[autumn cipher]

is proviso e2 needed for her base setup

[vital oriole]

Yes

[rigid plume]

Preferably.

She can work at E0, but for better use, E2 is highly advised.

Since with that, you won't take Orders lower than 4.

Only 4s and 5s.

With 2000 and 2500 LMD each.

[round lichen]

Depends on how many gold facs you’re running, and if you’re using automation team. Most of the time the top will give a tiny bit more fac productivity, but Kroos2 Lava2 and Raidian aren’t doing anything for you. Umiri’s buff to HR is so impactful that I’d say the band comes out on top

[hasty tiger]

Would you use the band or just put Umiri into the top

[round lichen]

Probably just replace Raidian with Umiri

Assuming they have better workers for the off-rotation

But if they can’t do Flametail, Vivi, Eunectes, Blacksteel, Sui, AH, or any of the other good CC teams, then it might be best to go with the band as their main team

[meager meadow]

My child will use empty slots in facilities as activity rooms

[pale wing]

I have too many ops vying for CC space that im not sure which to use

Running exodia, pinus, and gnosis team rn

Unsure if eunectes core automation (no dead lancelot, i used it for a while but got tired of manually swapping), blacksteel worldwide, monster hunter, or rhodes island would perform better than any of the ones i’m already using instead

Rest of my base if someone wants to critique any issues

[round lichen]

Switch to 252

[round lichen]

If you’re not going to do dead Lancet then there’s no reason to put Eunectes in CC, especially if you’re dead set on staying 243 (Greyy2 core gives more productivity than Eunectes core in 243). Gnosis can probably be replaced with Umiri, and using Vigil Kichisei and another 40% (Archetto, Underflow, Hoederer) will only be 4% less TP for +10% HR

[pale wing]

I didnt even realize umiri had an HR bonus

cc tab of the combo sheet doesnt list her i think

[pale wing]

If i go 252, something like this?

252 throws so many 3 op combos out of the window due to account dmg

[round dagger]

Most oldies who are still playing already brick their base anyway, 252 guide came kinda late...

[pale wing]

Its so ugly to look at

Ptilopsis is a placeholder for nasti

Sneguro will replace spot for +cap next banner probably

Haze will be replaced with thorns alter eventually probably

[pallid isle]

your better off running eunectes in the cc

pair purestream weedy

pair waaifu with aroma so that they can both live 3 rotations

[pale wing]

Who would eunectes replace

[pallid isle]

uimiri

and i suppose kalsit in this scenario

maybe sail?

idk how good or what HR bonus really is in comparison

[pale wing]

idk but i kind of value it a lot

[pallid isle]

i think most place sail value as much higher then kal

eun bonus though is much higher then kal

[pale wing]

Confusion

Does waai fu’s morale negation entirely cancel all morale changes

I assumed it only affected herself

[pallid isle]

it removes everyones

good or bad

[pale wing]

oh ok

[pallid isle]

you can move rosmontis basically anywhere

but yeah just make sure to keep those 2 together

i haven't looked deeply at this but if needed you CAN stagger it

waaifu for 2/3 shifts will allow aroma to survive 3 shifts

waaifu aroma
x aroma
waaifu aroma
waaifu x

just to be clear

at a glance without a full sheet given to me this looks other wise fine outside of eun and waaifu

the only real improvements are probably things you don't have/haven't raised which is fine

like you don't have the 3rd pinus knight in here, thorns alter>haze

marcielle for that whole 1% incredible

regular exu works better then exu alter if you have her

[pale wing]

I should have all the pinus knights in

.. i used the wrong exu

[pallid isle]

oh i just missed mizuki entirely lol

ok ok that looks good

[pale wing]

I just realized, exusiai doesnt qualify as laterano?

[vital oriole]

but not all!

[pale wing]

i have a headache now

[meager meadow]

Kill all old doctors who professed 243 > 252 like evangelists

[pale wing]

Latest version after shuffling a lot of ops around

Need to

• e2 scene maybe?
• e2 crownslayer and replace frostleaf with her
• obtain tragodia and replace shira
• replace passenger with snegurochka
• replace haze with thorns2

I dont think i can even fit the rhines combo anymore?

[pallid isle]

rhines optimally should be a sub

[pale wing]

sub?

[pallid isle]

sub team or secondary team after the main rotation gets tired

[rigid plume]

<@&586570970345635868>

[paper flame]

https://www.krooster.com/u/noragiri should I get vigil to E2 for Provisto or just level TP to 3 and slap 2 30%

max right side

[pale wing]

unrelated but pls mod1 your ascalon

and idk why you're worrying about vigil when you don't have cheaper and more useful ops you haven't touched

purestream is e0

shirayuki

frostleaf

i don't see spot or haze in your gold factories

you don't appear to own a bryophyta entirely

you own a fiametta, so i'm not sure why you've swapped proviso out in the TP rotation

you don't own a quartz either, please pick her up from the red cert shop

you have an exusiai and she's e2

pair quartz and exusiai with proviso

[paper flame]

quartz e0?

[pale wing]

e1

[pale wing]

e1 these 3 and replace the 25% workers with those 5 30%+ workers

idk about mlynar setup to comment about it but the second CC rotation should be replaced

[paper flame]

CC is never rotated with alter squad

i think

[pale wing]

a bunch of morale reduction bonuses don't help when the rest of the base still forces you to rotate, stuff that affects TPs and factories would be way more useful

you have both hoshi alt and swire, which would be giving you +14% tradepost and +15% factory bonus while in CC

tossing in umiri, sakiko and a random ave mujica op would also give +10% hr and another 6% factory gold bonus

[paper flame]

ascalon is currently in training

[pale wing]

mon3tr, kal, and hoshi don't stack

[paper flame]

oh

[pale wing]

swire and amiya too

hoshi + swire in one, amiya + mon3tr in the other

[pale wing]

oops paprika doesn't stack with amiya either

took me a moment to remember what she does

you have lee e2

he can go in too

ascalon can replace amiya/paparika when she's back from training

[paper flame]

with aak?

[pale wing]

not with aak

aak applies like +1.5 morale penalty

what's your reception room rotation

i need to go so

[pale wing]

i'm going to assume ines is in it, in which case toss wisadel into the CC too temporarily until u have better options

should be like mon3tr, ascalon(temp amiya), lee wisadel, someone random

[paper flame]

fixed

CE synergize with Amiya + Wis

[light widget]

where do you guys think I can insert FT and vivi for PS team here in my cc

[pale wing]

That quad ave mujica seems pretty dubious

[light widget]

I mean, I try to maximize fac bonuses there having +3% gold prod on top of +2% all fac prod

[pale wing]

Is that the glasglow combo in rotation 2

[light widget]

yep, swapping gladiia whenever up

[pale wing]

Yes but you’ve sacrificed 14% tp bonus for 6% gold bonus

[light widget]

mutsumi has 6% tp if that can counter

[pale wing]

unless you’re running 153

[light widget]

and I have umiri to boost my vigil+prov TP by additional 5%

[light widget]

wait wdym gold bonus here?

[pale wing]

Sakiko only applies to gold

[light widget]

I have kalt

[pale wing]

And?

[light widget]

this team giving
6% tp prod, 3% gold fac prod, and 2% fac prod overall

sakiko can be used with generic fac prod cc bonus

or am I missing some of your point

[pale wing]

Oops

I misremembered mutsumi’s skill

[light widget]

ye it looks clunky as hell but this is what I can think of one cc combo in my ops

would be better if I have hoshi2 ngl

no questions asked I can put PS team there

[pale wing]

err

[light widget]

sakiko gives 1% gold prod and additional 1% for every 20 passion, I only have 50 passion here since only 4 avemuji

so 3% gold prod only

[pale wing]

Was a syntax difference

Im used to calculating in total values not per facility

[light widget]

oh

[pale wing]

Is the first op in rotation two delphine

[light widget]

tho giving up 2 avemuji here will make me lose 1-2% gold prod in exchange of better exp % in fac ig

ye, for glasgow tp

[pale wing]

You have vina?

[light widget]

vina is vivi?

[pale wing]

The true dmg one

[light widget]

or different op?

ah no, but I have kichisei to compensate

[rigid plume]

Vina Victoria.

[light widget]

both gives 40% so ye

[rigid plume]

SiegeAlter.

[light widget]

well, I have vina but not raised

[pale wing]

…i just noticed, does vina not qualify as glasglow?

[light widget]

nope

[pale wing]

Thats lame

[light widget]

that's why she still stay at 40% at most

alter curse

[pale wing]

do you have viviana

[light widget]

both FT and vivi yep

maybe I should just give up on this avemuji cc

[pale wing]

If you have vivi then PSK also gives +7% total gold production

cuz of gravel

[light widget]

ok goodbye avemuji

2% gold prod diff ain't that bad

[pale wing]

U can still run umiri

vigil in TP with proviso means 10% hr and 5% tp

[light widget]

hmm, I think I can just run sakiko, umiri, vivi, FT, kalt

I still have 1% gold prod from sakiko to cope

[pale wing]

I think a generic TP worker would be better than sakiko

[light widget]

oh fuck ye I forgot

welp, there goes the avemuji legacy

hey

don't delete that or

I'm waiting

[pale wing]

Im thinking give me a moment

Since ave mujica has been broken up

Moving gladiia to the first rotation for 1 shift is also maybe an option, not sure

Idk who you have so

[light widget]

amiya, umiri, FT, vivi, kalt

which one tho

both wants to have 100% uptime in that combo I think

[pale wing]

no nvm

Are the alters in the 2nd rotation doing anything besides morale

cuz if not u can replace them with sakiko + a 20 passion member

[light widget]

yep, mainly because yato alter is dying fast pls dont judge me with my 24 hrs rotation

[light widget]

best pair would be sakiko and uika

[pale wing]

You’re already using gladiia, how is it a 24 hr rotation

Gladiia is like the furthest thing from a 24hr rotation in existence

[light widget]

if you checked my team 2 and team 3, you will notice that I'm just swapping out gladiia when she died

and I'm putting gladiia before I sleep, so that's just around 7 hrs then I can swap her out after I wake up

but ye seems a better setup, I'll see how many hours yato alter can survive without MD boost

what does this staff morale mean btw

[astral tiger]

just calculate it

staff morale is probably the mdr cc is giving to other facilities

[steady holly]

sanity check: ulpanius + skadi/specter/gladia/andreana = +50% right?

for training*

[rigid plume]

More

You forget his +30% as basic E0 skill.

[steady holly]

ah okay

so that +80% is max?

out of him, i mean

[rigid plume]

Yes.

Basically halve the time.

[rough mulch]

is it worth the ROI if i'm building dorothy and silence2 for rhine tech team?

[frank cipher]

probably each rhine take 2y ROI n whole of them take Eos, treat them as sub team to build after complete main team, rich go ahead
e1 should fine, they're 6* eventually e2 anyway

[rough mulch]

thanks

[rigid plume]

<@&586570970345635868>

[orchid bane]

NO

Did I miss mr Beast offer?

[valid storm]

no, you missed free robux

[orchid bane]

[lyric igloo]

If i want the left side of the base maxed on a 252, what would i not upgrade on the right side

Oh mb thanks

[valid storm]

you logged in too soon

[queen flicker]

crownslayer next

[orchid bane]

Soo. There are 2 ways to claim this.
1st is when we take the OP
2nd is when we refresh
In the future I should avoid using 1st way . cause like I said before. There are hidden tags behind the un-taken OP

Basically I just lost 1 refresh

[summer kernel]

Are you saying that this event is like the limited ones where they update the recruitment pool and give you a free refresh? I'm not following your logic

[orchid bane]

No