r-i-i-c

[hasty tiger]

Seems like both are availble

[limpid frost]

how long is the ramp up period for tailoring?

[arctic prism]

it's estimated to be 5 hrs

3 hrs for alpha and 5 hrs for beta

[vestal sable]

Yes

U need to play the mini event or whatever for u official i think

[astral tiger]

gotta be on the lookout this year ig

[orchid bane]

I think we still can play all the past event this april fool

-# missing a po last bet event

[orchid bane]

So Does Bellone get Umiri 5% ?

Oh nice

Compare to Delphine team

This is 10% HR and Delphine is 5% TP

[light widget]

so bellone is same %tp as vigil assuming max rr and vigil in rr?

[astral tiger]

vigil gotta be in base

doesn't have to be RR

and he gets 40%

[orchid bane]

I think you can just put vigil everywhere

[light widget]

hmmm not much upgrade for proviso

[orchid bane]

Including other TP

Enough upgrade for me

[light widget]

let's see what more ops I can get before he arrives in en

[astral tiger]

does hoederer need both ines and W to have 40% or just one of em?

[orchid bane]

Both

[astral tiger]

damn

[orchid bane]

And they have to be in working facilities

Since Lemuen. I already got rid of him

[astral tiger]

Well W can go in TR

Ig I'll just level overflow later

6 months later

[ember hull]

Oh does anyone know how long wisadel combo has to stay in cc to extend a lv2tp to 3 shift?

[summer kernel]

Is that an Umiri buff
45 x 2 +7 from CC?

[brisk dust]

Who out of Almond, Figurino and Tippi does anything good base-wise, if any?

[rigid plume]

Lemme see skills

[rigid plume]

Almond and Figurino has decent skills, but requires E2 for maximum output.
Tippi is trash regardless.

If you want to build slaves, go Almond > Figurino, but I would rather seek anyone else tbh.

[brisk dust]

Already picked Figurino, but thanks! (as in picked him in Orienting)

Also got Proviso on 2nd pull, so now contemplating perhaps not rolling for 6 star because of such great value for first 2 pulls

[rigid plume]

Proviso is worth to E2 ASAP tho.

[brisk dust]

Heard she's the best base operator, yea

[rigid plume]

Base skill so broken it has to be E2 as soon as possible.

[brisk dust]

She's still like 6 months of ROI, right?

[rigid plume]

Idk but about that, yeah

[orchid bane]

Totally use him

If I have him I guess

[light widget]

can anyone explain this
weedy + greyyalt in pp makes her 45%, purestream is 40%

in cc I have 3% gold prod (sakiko) and 2% fac prod (kalt) so it should be 45+40+5 but it's only 87%

weedy only having 47% meaning she ignored sakiko buff?

[vestal sable]

wonder if its bugged or intentional but yea prob that's what's happening

do automation skills cancel specific factory stuff (like nasti and sakiko) and not cancel generic productivity buffs i wonder

[astral tiger]

Spaghetti code

[light widget]

[astral tiger]

Or well u can test one thing

since u have sakiko up, try putting a gold prod fact with all generic workers

25% or 15%

[vestal sable]

im gonna assume bugged since the wording of kal vs sakiko skills does not imply that should happen

[astral tiger]

does sakiko buff that?

[light widget]

if this counts as generic, then yes sakiko works

[astral tiger]

hmm

[light widget]

guess I'll just swap the shifts of weedy and purestream gonna minmax that 3%

[vestal sable]

prob make a post in #1211608727103340616 or whatever

[light widget]

so the culprit is weedy ya?

[astral tiger]

Well yeah weedy is cancelling it

Tho the issue is prob with sakiko skill

[light widget]

Just to be sure, I tried with kyato, it works but yes it's just another generic fac bonus

[vestal sable]

weedy is cancelling sakiko's buff even tho she doesn't cancel kal's and other similar buffs

problem is likely that sakiko's buff is coded differently from how the generic factory ones like kal are and weedy's "ignore all bonuses from the factory she's in" applies to that as well for some reason

[iron sedge]

what's the base setup if you accidentally level reception room to 3?

[rigid plume]

Still 252

Max right 252 > 243 on EXP/Gold farm

[vestal sable]

office still level 1?

lv 3 office

lv 1 office

[brisk dust]

Proviso wants all the LMD and then 150k more to get to that E2 level, and she's eating it out of budget that's supposed to go to actual units

Do people do LMD stages, or are they scam in terms of sanity value? Heard that either LMD or EXP are not to be done and instead to just drone base for them

[silent nova]

Scam

I haven't done lmd or xp stage since y1

[arctic prism]

instead to just drone base for them
by this i hope you mean using the drones your base produced to get whichever one you need of the 2, not converting sanity to drones then using it on tp/fac
sanity->drone conversion is probably one of the least efficient uses of sanity in the game lol

but yea CE/LS are scam stages

[brisk dust]

Yea, meant just regular drones on LMD / EXP

[round lichen]

If Wiš is alone in CC, 12 hours is enough to make the TP work exactly 36 hours (you use 7.2 morale during her shift, then 8.4 per shift when she’s not in CC, so 7.2 + 8.4 + 8.4 = 24)
If you’re using Civilight, 6 hours is enough (you use 3 morale, then 21/0.7=30)

[ember hull]

Ty ty

[round lichen]

Sure!

[steep marlin]

hi, for exodia is it better to use whisperain or mulberry? I've been using mulberry for Mr nothing but not sure if boosting Ros is better instead

[arctic prism]

it's personal preference really
mulberry gives you more lmd, whisperain boosts xp (or gold if you're using on gold)

[wind otter]

you were totally right

[pale wing]

exodia = sui + others combo setup?

[orchid bane]

Still Umiri can only be used when Sui team rest. Maybe I could re consider if my non sui team are better than sui team yet

Rosmontis still give big number tho

Well. Still 5% more TP when Sui rest

Cool

[wind otter]

from Bellone to Umiri? What's the rush to drop Sui?

[wind otter]

kind of

||ignore Saileach and Jieyun||

[orchid bane]

Maybe not yet, but you know. Penance give more HR too

[wind otter]

do like we do, slam her on HR for a couple of hrs during Sui downtime and cope with a smile

[orchid bane]

Still doing so

[wind otter]

the true tag refreshes are expedited plans anyway

sidegrades, sidegrades and more sidegrades... ||and trainers||

[light widget]

what if we get MH 2nd collab and boost TRC more

[orchid bane]

Idk lot about MH

You guys think new op will be new base faction or not ?

[wind otter]

a new faction of sidegrades and trainers

[orchid bane]

[hidden blade]

What's the best Base set up?
2/5/2 or 3/4/2 or something?

[frank cipher]

3/3/3 former, 3/4/2 highest eff, you wouldnt unless

[pale yoke]

at least 333 was mentioned, we take those win

[rigid plume]

252

Alternative is 243 for lazybonez

[trim estuary]

There's actually people that want autorest in riic? 😭

if my lancet ever rests I'm committing crimes

[vestal sable]

Surely it would come with being able to lock stuff

[shrewd bough]

When do I go 2/5/2 or 2/4/3 in my base?

[rigid plume]

Always 252.

It's even cheaper to build.

[brisk dust]

Refer to PeterYR videos on why 2/4/3 is no good

[shrewd bough]

Can I manage 2/5/2 even when I only go online around every 24 hours?

[brisk dust]

2/4/3 allows 6 hour rotations, 2/5/2 can only do 12 hours

Refer to https://youtu.be/cuccPG3ExeU?t=124

[light widget]

I'm using 252 and doing 24 hrs base rotation u can login once every 12 hrs just to claim in base

[shrewd bough]

[light widget]

Does aroma e2 works around waaifu?

I mean, can waaifu get 40% with just aroma?

[orchid bane]

After around 8hr

So if you put them in lv2 fac Aroma become ramp op

Lv3 fac with maybe add a 30% (not weedy or AH member ) and waaifu can stay 40%

Aroma should go with waaifu all the timd

[light widget]

I'm trying to find someone who can ramp waaifu in a lvl 2 fac in a gold prod

I guess only aroma can do it in a lv2

[orchid bane]

You can use aroma waaifu in lv2

Not so bad

[light widget]

[queen flicker]

has anyone calced aprox how much daily gold do we get from things like credit store, weekly rewards, log in rewards, cert shop, etc?

[arctic prism]

roughly 6/day last time i calced

excluding credit store and events

but when i tried to match exactly using that estimate I usually ended up overproducing gold so it's probably a little bit higher than that

from personal experience feels closer to 10 but yea

[scenic gate]

staggered rotations are goddamn magic

what is this consistency

more efficient, too

anyway as for the question

what do these hour numbers mean?

[astral tiger]

The time saved due to the efficiency multipliers from your ops

[scenic gate]

dayum

nice

thanks

[astral tiger]

[queen flicker]

i wonder if at some point 2 gold facs would be enough to sustain proviso + shamare team + droning proviso

[arctic prism]

definitely not lol

[queen flicker]

are we that far off? i think you need aprox 120 gold?

[astral tiger]

I can sustain mine with 114~ avg

but it's fia less and 47% proviso tp eff

[arctic prism]

i can see it sustainable with 3

but to sustain with 2 that's another like 160~200% that needs to be split up across the other 5 or 6 gold fac ops

which is like asking for 6 60~70% gold fac ops lol

[astral tiger]

yea

[rose knoll]

no

[arctic prism]

i remember there was like an entire investigation for what that clock meant but i forgot what the conclusion was

[rose knoll]

It's basically just how long the facilities spent making the items, efficiency doesn’t matter

So 2 gold factories always shows up as 48h, except because an in-progress item doesn't carry over between days it's usually less

[queen flicker]

aroma + waai fu + nasti is 125 i believe. automation with snegu is 145. so 270~276 with hoshi. yeah seems a bit far off from 6x60%

[arctic prism]

also for this this is just going off of intuition, no real calcs done here
might be less than this but still im p sure we're pretty far off lol

[astral tiger]

Is there no other factor affecting it? it doesn't seem that consistent to me

I assumed it had to do with efficiency because if u drone the facs the timer would be less

and when u drone it does say effieciency bonus is removed

so I assumed it was somewhat related

for another case in a 342 setup (a diff account with weaker ops)

well... the drones are going to lmd only but yeah

[light widget]

which is better?
lv3 fac - weedy purestream sneg (115%)
lv2 fac - bubble vulcan (62%)
or
lv3 fac - bubble vulcan ceobe (95%)
lv2 fac - weedy purestream (85%)

[arctic prism]

that's just addition
surely you dont need someone else to calculate that for you right...?

[light widget]

hmmm, I thought having a better % in lv3 facs are better or did I just misread it before

[arctic prism]

it doesnt do anything in terms of production speed, but it might help you if you're concerned about hitting production caps

[light widget]

all I want is production speed thanks

I rmb reading something about more % in higher lv facs is better, but eh I can't even recall where

[arctic prism]

they were probably just saying if the sum of the %s is equal, it's generally better to put the higher% in the higher lv fac just so there's less risk of hitting cap

it's a pretty valid concern considering how fast lv2 facs can cap with good workers

[light widget]

I see, so no problem if I can prevent that from happening

[arctic prism]

yep

[light widget]

[torn meteor]

chat, i read bellone's base skill, its time for me to cope that they give us another 40 siracusa tp worker

[wind otter]

well, if you want to cope you came to the right place

[torn meteor]

i need umiri to end up better than delphine

i require it

[wind otter]

remember to write that down in the next survey

[pallid isle]

i suppose theres not exactly an easy way to compare hr% to tp% but 15% net more tp% from delphine (135% combo vs say a 120% combo) in my case then compare that to +10% tp for vigil bellone and 10% HR with umiri. basically in my situation i am trading 5% tp for 10% HR if i did that

makes me curious

[wind otter]

HR can't catch a break

[pallid isle]

i mean at least i think its pretty close now for her even if its still not perfectly optimal

[pale wing]

[pallid isle]

[pale wing]

The special combos give me headaches

[wind otter]

as intended

[pallid isle]

i was just talking umiri by herself in this scenario

pretty much her combo still isn't going to be optimal at any point watch them add enough wolf boys to justify it

[pale wing]

i was complaining to complain, no relevance to the current conversation

[wind otter]

don't worry, those skills have issues when it comes to explanations. Feels like you need to dig deeper just to understand how they work. I have issues with "explanations" of terms and skills that when "explained" they just lead you to yet another term that needs its own explanation. But just check the link (4) on pins and the "Special" tab check the numbers, that will make things easier.

[pale wing]

i'm using the sheet yeah

[wind otter]

when stationed in control center, for each operator gain 2x shinnings
shinnings = for each 5 shinnings gain 3 sparkles
sparkles = when a facility has sparkles, convert all sparkles to Trepidations

tf are we doing here

[pallid isle]

when i click on any piece of "exodia" and it opens up a another white box to only lead me to another white box then another

[round lichen]

I think the worst offenders are the ones that do a 1:1 conversion. Jieyun’s Witchcraft Crystal may be clunky, but the 5:2 ratio puts her in a decent spot as a Fac worker even though WP combo is obviously specialized for TP. Compare that to Rosmontis. Everyone thinks she gives productivity based on Perception Info. She doesn’t, it comes from Chain of Thought, but she does a 1:1 conversion of PI to Chain of Thought. Why

[light widget]

when you thought only the gameplay has in-depth mechanics but nah, here's the base for you casual players

[torn meteor]

if we get another siracusa 40 umiri will just be better than delphine because itd be equal to delphine siege morgan siegealt but with +10hr

[pallid isle]

Well yes of course

As I have stated there

[torn meteor]

realistically rn the comparison is 5tp vs 10 hr

oop mfw i didnt read

i read everything except like one message that was load bearing

[pallid isle]

Well yes the biggest question is how does 10% hr compare to 5% tp

[torn meteor]

they want to make it as hard as possible to figure out where these characters get their production to force people who want to get into base to either spreadsheet or cry

[jaunty notch]

that's why there's a sheet that simplifies it

the person who made it must have worked very hard

[wind otter]

[rose knoll]

It gives them freedom to selectively buff rosmontis without buffing other PI ops

Like how eben turns PI into SR, and virtuosa gives SR instead of PI

Maybe one day they'll want to avoid buffing eben and only buff ros, so they'll make a skill that only gives chain of thought

But base skill balancing is all over the place already so

[trim estuary]

What's a decent team for lv2 gold fac?

lv3 is using bryo/gravel/spot -> bubble/vulcan/ceobe

I was thinking purestream/haze but not sure what to rotate it into

I'm using 3 exp facs while going through a gold stockpile atm, so technically i'd need to fill up another lv2 gold fac..

[frank cipher]

60% is decent 80% peak cap at 11.30h
feeling crime using 3slot low than 100

[summer kernel]

The 10% HR is pretty solid even if you just value it as AO from base. Umiri is now worth like 40% production**
-# emphasis on the asterisks, read the doc
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jtng4eTA--vDPFDJshVlROLrbDwgCVW-y0Q1iz0Z42Y/edit?usp=sharing

They added another relevant Siracusan just so I can shill Umiri

https://tenor.com/view/just-when-i-thought-i-was-out-they-pull-me-back-in-michael-corleone-al-pacino-the-godfather-gif-19249100

[round lichen]

That’s an interesting idea, I don’t see it happening given the way teams have evolved since Rosmontis released, but it is plausible that they wanted to keep that in mind before plans were set in stone. I feel like they just wanted to force you to pay the E2 tax to get value from her and the best they could think of was “she’s only half the value at E0.” Whisperain, Iris, and Czerny’s skills are the same, they create a different currency at E0 and only do the 1:1 conversion into PI after you E2 them

[trim estuary]

I meant moreso what ops since I don't think I have any other fac combo ready

I have Weedy and Dorothy but they're both E0

[glad hill]

Does Thorns2 skill stack with Pozy+Tyue? Not like I'm going to put those 2 back into my TP but just to know

[queen flicker]

how long does clue exchange take?

24h?

[queen flicker]

what do you mean? pozy and tuye counts gold facs and thorns2 counts tp

[glad hill]

wait which ops add TPs then

[queen flicker]

add tps? i think no one. theres greyy alter and eunectes which "add" pp

im not sure tho

[astral tiger]

no op adds tp count

[astral tiger]

I believe so

[frank cipher]

nah your next 30% gonna be e2
better e2 35-45% if do so
also Vulcan need to e2 is you miss (rare e2 Vulcan before 30%)
-# idkcnext banner might wait for nasti

[orchid bane]

Vulcan is for 24hr shift

Or maybe shards

[glacial tapir]

hey guys, I wanted help in setting up operator rotations for the roster I have. Can someone help me out as I am missing some of the operators mentioned in the base guide.
This is my roster: https://www.krooster.com/u/glenn_tatsuya23
Also I wanted to know if I can use proviso E0 too as I got her recently from pulls

[frank cipher]

yes she's usable e0 along with teq
tp1 shama/teq/paprika(etc)
sub jay,30%x2
tp2 prov 30%30
sub 30%x3
still early to build base, if you want(or got e2 ticket) go e2 prov > > > teq
base build should start after complete squad tho no harm start earlier
if missing some to start combo just use highest %

[pallid isle]

perhaps I just heavily misunderstand but it feels like overestimating her value when calculating "opportunity cost" if someone like me never runs ao then what am i saving it over in reality? but this is very nice and thank you for the information on that extra gold cert and green cert (1/20th) of a gold cert per day 🔥

gonna give her a try today actually in my free slot

since my rotations are super weird and kinda just in my head sometimes i end up with a free 5th slot in my cc

[glacial tapir]

do I need to downgrade the tp for proviso e0 ?

[astral tiger]

only if you're using 252 setup and can use the extra power for a fac

otherwise downgrading is not worth

[trim estuary]

Vulcan and Ceobe are E2 yea

Okay figured lmao, I'll E2 Rhine Tech then

[summer kernel]

Since HR% corresponds to more gold certs which is AO indirectly, it's as if Umiri and any other HR% buff makes AO in the base without needing factories/TP time. You skip the time needed to process shards and trade them. That's what the "opportunity cost" part of the calc means and is only a ~3% part of the 40% TP/FAC contribution.

The gist is if you ever want AO from the base, the 10% HR is the simplest and probably most efficient way since it "gives" like 4.2 sanity/day of running 1-7 for rocks and the 690 LMD/day needed to convert it, without managing any of the normal AO farming stuff, like swapping formulas/stockpiling shards.

This is without even considering other benefits of HR% like more 5*/6*s which may matter to people in RIIC who are more likely to be collectors

I've always thought she was broken, even without the Vigil stuff but it's good that she's so low-key that she's getting buffs.

[pallid isle]

i see

probably been losing a lot of ao over the months lol because i have let hr cap a lot of times somehow

[pale wing]

what does ao stand for

[pallid isle]

its orundumb

i don't remember what the a is for because

[astral tiger]

probably artificial

[limpid frost]

i'm trying to get 300 pulls for the upcoming limited banner but according to the spreadsheet i'll still be ~5 pulls short unless the banner starts later in the month
and i won't have enough gold certs to do the full headhunting permits trade (will have enough to get the first 18)
should i use the base to get the rest or just do the partial trade for headhunting permits?

[pallid isle]

your already converting your orignite to pulls?

well continue to farm rocks while you can right now and i would probably just do ao until i get those 5 pulls or so then

[round lichen]

I believe it comes from early fan-translations of CN, “AO” = Active Orundum (), “PO” = Pure Originium ()

[bright root]

question does proviso base effect work only at Elite 2?

[limpid frost]

e2 improves the effect

e0 gives +1 bar for defaulted trades, e2 increases that to +2

[bright root]

I C thanks

[strong summit]

I have a somewhat technical question
When is the size of the gold order on TP decided? When the timer starts or when it ends?

[silent nova]

when the timer starts

since the time is dependent on order size

[strong summit]

So ideally if I want to hyper optimize the shift I should aim at putting Proviso a little bit before the previous order finishes, I suppose

[summer kernel]

yeah, thats called cursing. you can also put Tequila in right before the order completes as well

[light widget]

imagine they release another op with proviso base skill

[wind otter]

RIP gold

[arctic prism]

Reverse tailoring op when

[astral tiger]

how bad is it to drone shamare tp compared to droning proviso tp

[rigid plume]

Proviso may require less drone due to small orders (which appears to be big, thanks to her skill), so you can get more orders from her that way.

Shamare will need more drones on single order.

[astral tiger]

🫡

[summer kernel]

Probably terrible unless we get a Shamare equivalent as well

A workshop/TR op that gives 10% would be pretty good. They may be opening up that space by giving us Wang

[valid storm]

what we need is Pepe partners

so I can replace 1 factory with free lmd

[summer kernel]

Has anyone estimated how good a pepe partner has to be? Like does Pepe's special have to be spedup x3 to be decent?

Just quick calcs but it seems like Pepe is worth 105.5% Production if she's giving 1000LMD per 4.5hrs without using bars. Biggest problem is that she doesn't stack with Proviso / Teq and makes the other slots useless.

Ramped Shamare is 138% + 47% so 185%? a hypothetical Pepe partner would just have to 1.75x Pepe's output to match Shamare but with potentially less TP slots needed.

Sounds doable. Pepe's output is like 50/50 FAC%/TP% though so that would change droning behavior

Oh wait, it's 105.5% vs 285%. So it's a 2.70x speed up on Pepe. I guess my hunch was right. Need ~3x to be competitive lol

[round lichen]

Her name is Eureka, don’t wear it out 💅💅

[ember hull]

Ok so how much MD reduction do i need for gladiia to last 1 full shift in cc?

[astral tiger]

12hrs?

[ember hull]

Yessir

[astral tiger]

0.7 extra

[ember hull]

Wow that's a lot

[astral tiger]

also depends on how many AH u use

u need 0.7 if you're using 4

[ember hull]

What about 3?

[astral tiger]

lemme see

0.2 extra

[ember hull]

That's still a lot but a lot more reasonable

[astral tiger]

that will put her at exactly 12hrs too so u would realistically want more MDR

but yeah 3 AH is also good enough cuz easier to work with and u can put 3 AH in same fac

[light widget]

with 3 AH, so you're just hitting 90% right? enough for cap and single lv3 cap

[astral tiger]

yes

[ember hull]

Yep

[light widget]

how I wish there's a cc skill like waai fu

[astral tiger]

this is the best option we get

wait no it's +

so alter or r6 team is the only one

[ember hull]

So for 3ah gladiia i would want to run smth like tp skill + monster + 2x alter?

For -0.25md

[light widget]

bro is dying asap

[astral tiger]

[astral tiger]

2 alters will make her exact 12hr

since it's -0.2

so if you're fine with that, sure

[ember hull]

Mon3tr is a smiley so that should give a bit breathing room

[astral tiger]

yeah fair

how much is that tho

[light widget]

0.05

[astral tiger]

20 or 30 mins

[light widget]

[astral tiger]

yeah 30mins breathing room

[light widget]

do you think its justified to raise e2 gladiia just for a +15% fac boost that lasts for 12 hrs? genuine qs btw

[astral tiger]

should be less but I'm lazy to convert

[astral tiger]

nah but she's worth to raise if u plan to run abyssal hunter squad (or just ulpianus really)

[light widget]

fair enough

[astral tiger]

ulpapi + gladiia is an insane combo

can face tank anything that is not a russian bear

[ember hull]

Good enough

[astral tiger]

sorry it's probably less

well when u put in the cc, u will se the timer anyways

so yeah

[light widget]

russian bear is chapter 16 boss?

[astral tiger]

not final boss but yeah

lol

[light widget]

something that ulpi with gladiia mod can't tank sounds fun

[astral tiger]

kinda

just a stat stick boss... put someone with enough def and it's gg

tho if u dont do that, the fight gets fun

[light widget]

is it just me or this was a fixed 300 creds before?

[rigid plume]

You

[astral tiger]

it's 210 only

[light widget]

[astral tiger]

300 u get from visiting bases that have clue exchange going on

[light widget]

better forget what I'm remembering before then

[vagrant blaze]

you can get 300 weekly from that thingy in RR

[astral tiger]

that's a seperate one, it requires people to visit your base I'm pretty sure

tho yes I did forget to mention that

[light widget]

well, that thingy didn't exsists from what I remember back then

ngl I quit AK before cuz of base and came back because of base QoL

[vagrant blaze]

[astral tiger]

the base has bro in a chokehold

[vestal sable]

That stage can be beaten with 3* only

😭

For 4*, jaye + bubble can duo it

[light widget]

damn

baited

[vestal sable]

https://youtu.be/BvatAqiAeZY

https://youtu.be/lNRWebLK6tA

For context if u don't know him, silvergun is a youtuber who plays 4* only

He got a fuck ton of people asking him how 4* would ever beat the bear from people who watched ulpi die to it so he made the first video

Then some people went "well ackshually that wasn't CM etcetc" so he made the 2nd video

[rigid plume]

I already wanna pat the bear with Wis+Gravel duo.

Like Pard did.

[light widget]

this is brainless clear lmao

so bear really is just stat stick

[vestal sable]

There's many ways to beat this guy

https://youtu.be/0LTKB3W_La4?si=snPRAoQM9js57oJf

U can throw a protector defender with enough def + any medic and stall it forever

U can use 10 billion different cc options

U can wisadel it

https://youtu.be/8d5JvRbLFJo?si=BLNO9T-pNXQM89In

[gritty cedar]

So I leveled my office to 2 a while ago before I knew optimal setups. I was told to not level any other right buildings. My reception room is lvl 1 atm and there's a mission for me to add a second support unit. Is it worth leveling reception room?

[candid ice]

Assuming I downgrade my dorms back to 1, what's going to be my best layout? Seems like I just did whatever back when I started in year 1.

I generally see about 50-60k LMD per day and 15 tactical EXP records. I have 3 factories making gold because Provisio goes through a lot of it.

I'd like to add another factory somehow if possible, because I don't feel like I'm making enough EXP atm.

[frank cipher]

office lv2 rr lv1 is good, leave it like that. more surprise you didn't build it right away.

[hasty tiger]

#r-i-i-c message the 252 that lines up with your office and rr and tr

[candid ice]

Swap one powerplant for a factory then?

Otherwise follow these instructions where possible?

[hasty tiger]

Yes. You'll end up with 2 lvl3 factory and 3 lvl2 factory. Can make that 3 lvl3 if you run the lvl2 tp for prov

[candid ice]

I currently have Prov in a TP with Exu and Lemon. Should I still move her to the level 2?

[hasty tiger]

In a 2/5/2 setup it's commonly preferred yes

Lvl2 tp ensures her ability is triggering on all orders as well as giving you the additional lvl3 factory

[candid ice]

Ahhh ok, was not aware there was a reason to have less slots in a TP. Thanks for the info.

[ember hull]

Ofc lv3 tp with proviso will still output more than lv2 with proviso BUT the tradeoff of getting 1 extra lv3 factory is super worth

You lose a bit of lmd for a good chunk of fac output

[gritty cedar]

theres the phase mission where i need to put 2 support units tho. thats why i was asking

[astral tiger]

what's your building levels?

if u levelled the office then u locked yourself out of running max left by yeeting a dorm

[gritty cedar]

RR1 - WS1 - OF1 - TR1

[astral tiger]

level your workshop when u can

it's important

[gritty cedar]

ws3 sorry

[astral tiger]

also u mentioned ur office is 2

what about TR

[gritty cedar]

OF2 sorry im distracted rn. tr is 1

[astral tiger]

ok TR is needed for skill masteries on ops

eventually u will be maxing it out

[gritty cedar]

ya i never got to that part yet so i left it at 1

[astral tiger]

since u did level the office, don't upgrade RR or u will have to downgrade a fac later

[gritty cedar]

but i kinda wanna progress these phase missions. so i might just eat it anyway

[astral tiger]

I'm pretty sure they gonna ask u to lvl 3 your office eventually

[gritty cedar]

oh

so phase isnt worth then?

[astral tiger]

ok I just checked, it's gonna ask for lvl 3 RR

[astral tiger]

nope

[gritty cedar]

ok bet

[astral tiger]

much better off having a good base than trying to get texas from the phase missions

[gritty cedar]

ok i wont touch the RR then

[wind otter]

base update

[orchid bane]

I don't buy the 1st skin too

I did buy this one 1st skin just for base tho

[wind otter]

that's a free skin

[round lichen]

Locking Saileach in dorm 🥀🥀🥀

You probably use an Amiya-like during Sui shift too. So easy to just get rid of a tiny bit of TP prod for extra refreshes

[orchid bane]

Base update or not ?

[wind otter]

no Amiya skill in CC

[wind otter]

you said "buy" red, c'mon on now

[orchid bane]

I said I bought her 1st skin

[brisk dust]

After putting Proviso and droning her Trade Post for a few days she ate all the ingots despite my base having 3 gold factories and 2 trade posts

I now switched to 4 (?!) Gold factories and 2 trade posts to accommodate her

Can you guys give any tips?

Slightly outdated Krooster if it helps: https://www.krooster.com/u/wise-gray-squid-77kz

[pale wing]

What are you spending drones on

[brisk dust]

Proviso exclusively

[pale wing]

Why gitano? Where’s your gummy

[astral tiger]

get bryophyta from so long adele event

without e2 he's still a 30%

[brisk dust]

Trying to pull her from recruitments for like 100 Permits now (probably like 70 actually), exclusively selecting her tags and still didn't get her
She even avoided all 80+ pulls I've done in total

[pale wing]

Rip

[frank cipher]

35% lvl2 tp prov = 170 + 40 drone = 210%
if gold cant sustain that you can alternate drone gold

dat prov alone

[meager meadow]

210 or 190

[wind otter]

I see

[vagrant portal]

How did u get this pic

I mean pic with workers in it

Or like u edited yourself

What is good number for this 4 exp 1 gold

[pale wing]

They edited it

[hasty tiger]

Why are your dorms like that

[vagrant portal]

Wdym

[hasty tiger]

Make them level 1

[vagrant portal]

But I can't unlock the fourth one yet

[hasty tiger]

You have more than 10 lvl2... Are you just not at the story level or??

Iirc that's the main reqs for lvl5 cc

Anyway gold looks good for 1 gold but exp looks low. I make like 5-7 less with 3 exp

But maybe that's the lvl2 fac

[astral tiger]

That looks way too high for 1 gold

given the stage of the game he's at too

doubt he has good workers

[pale wing]

swap a trade post lvl over to factory maybe…?

[astral tiger]

gotta have proviso for that

ig he does if he's making that much

[astral tiger]

gg

[vagrant portal]

Do I max fac or keep it 2

[hasty tiger]

Kinda depends on your right side. With proviso you can safely take the tp from 3 to 2 and up the factory tho

I still wanna know what's keeping your cc from lvl5

[vagrant portal]

I just spend all my sanity on story

[hasty tiger]

What's that got to do with it

[vagrant portal]

No material to upgrade

[hasty tiger]

Oh

You should probably finish it

Story levels are just op for a future date

Leveling base now gets you better output for forever

[vagrant portal]

The thing is my ops never lack space to rest. I am not sure need to check

But if I keep it this way I won't have TR lvl 3

Atm I don't have e2 s7 to train

[hasty tiger]

Lvl4 cc is keeping you from a slot in your cc is the more relevant thing. But if you don't have good cc ops I guess that doesn't matter either

[pale wing]

Story lvls are also for unlocking workshop recipes

[hasty tiger]

That's fair but unless they need a specific one now it's also not as immediate of a help as base finished

[vagrant portal]

Are they good

[hasty tiger]

They're fine but like I thought you simply don't have many options

So yeah it's not a big deal. I just like the idea of finishing base earlier than later

[strange tapir]

are they all same?

cus i dont get what "other" is

[astral tiger]

anyone that doesn't share the same skill

and yes they are the same

it's listed as "Other" because doesn't matter who u put there, shamare nullifies their order efficiency

[strange tapir]

i see

thank you

[spring quartz]

yo

My shamare ate enough to be promoted to second, was it final

I forgot

does bibeak needs her e2

[vestal sable]

No works at e0

Better at e2 but not worth it unless ur gonna use her

[spring quartz]

[vital rain]

For each factory or trading post how many rotations do you need?

[round lichen]

Is your question about how many operators you need or number of times you need to press the rotate button?

If you make 2 presets you can just rotate back and forth between them

But if you’re willing to use more presets, you can use less operators. See this video for more

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0si4HMQuYBo

[next moon]

Hey this might be a stupid question but shouldn't I have 3 trade post instead of 2?

Cuz when I looked at my inventory I have an influx of about 63 gold bars

[candid ice]

Is there somewhere in the base combo guide that explains what operators are part of Mr. Nothing's "Full WP Team" ?

I'm choosing who to put in Lv2 TP with Proviso

[vestal sable]

Special tab, first or 2nd one

[candid ice]

mmmm yeah I'll have to choose someone else. I don't have anyone else in that group. heh....

[hasty tiger]

No. If you have and drone prov you're almost certainly going to be close to breaking even with gold. If anything instead of 3 tp you just change one of your golds to exp temporarily

[pallid isle]

its good if your slowly building gold bars daily

basically your never going to have a pure perfect even amount

but if your gaining just a few a day it means your stable

when you have hundreds and hundreds or 1000+ i would for sure though swap to more exp production

remember also in the long run with proviso your lmd is going to be much higher then exp

more then likely will have a dieficit in terms of exp eventually

[safe briar]

https://www.krooster.com/u/imswifting

Currently fixing my base- here are the ops I've got

[winged tundra]

Purestream and roberta e1

Also would consider building worldly plight team

[safe briar]

They are E1

[winged tundra]

Well you didnt update krooster

[safe briar]

1 second lol

https://www.krooster.com/u/imswifting

Updated ^ ^ ^

[safe briar]

tis updated

[winged tundra]

Yea i noticed

I dont see the workers you should justify raising for the base

Solely depends on what you dont have enough rn tbh

[safe briar]

Who should I get

[winged tundra]

You have 4 sui, so i think you should get worldly plight base skills

[safe briar]

Indeed- although im pretty sure I need ChongYu

[winged tundra]

Ye chongyue, and you can also add wang there soon too

[safe briar]

any formations I should use?

[winged tundra]

You dont have them ig

Pins should have info on this

[dull saddle]

im using the 2 5 2 setup, What is better for the factory, 2 gold 3 battle record or the other way

[pallid isle]

depends on what you need more of

do you have proviso?

the 5th factory is meant to be a flex

[dull saddle]

i dont

[pallid isle]

no proviso generally means your more likely to get away with using 2 gold factories

or get away with it for a longer period of time

[limpid frost]

Do krooster and lavalter’s control center skills not stack together?

[astral tiger]

they dont override each other

u will get the MDR from both units

[vestal sable]

They do

If u have both + hibi alter + any 2 alters, cc will not lose morale

Not recommended cuz it's less efficient but I'm lazy

[limpid frost]

oh ok

is the display just bugged then?

since the morale consumption reduction only shows the base .1 plus .05 per alter instead of .1 per alter

[astral tiger]

it doesn't show up in there

u gotta check the time instead

on the morale consumed info it only shows total morale changes

but that doesn't include self mdr or other morale increases

kinda diff to explain but yeah it's just weird coded

for example if u put any unit that increases morale consumption or decreases morale reduction, it doesn't show up in the morale consumed/hr info

it only shows whatever is granted by your cc

only outlier I know is shamare, her skill explicitly states it increases total morale consumed by +0.25, so it is reflected in the info

[astral tiger]

in this case if u math it out:
Time till morale hits 0 = 24/[1 - 0.25(fully staffed cc) - 0.15 (3 alters, lava2) - 0.15 (3 alters, kroos2)] = 53hrs and 20mins~

which checks out as u can see

[lyric igloo]

Besides shamare and proviso are there any other 5 stars worth leveling for base ?

[rigid plume]

Wai Fu, I guess.
She has very strong E2 skill.

[vital oriole]

my 2nd e2

[round lichen]

Tequila

Then there are some who aren’t worth for base alone but are useful in gameplay, like Greyy2

[desert trout]

in 2-5-2 setup where should i spend my remaining 20 power? Lvl 2 office or reception room?

[summer kernel]

I'd put it into the dorms but if you must RR > Office. Office does nothing

[desert trout]

I feel like level 1 dorms is more than enough for 12h rotations. And Reception room gives you the support unit slots I suppose? Just want to finish current phase of newbie missions

[summer kernel]

The base missions arent worth it. The dorms can be useful especially if you start running more complicated combos but the more important thing is that any upgrades on the right side facilities are permanent

[light widget]

how do these presets work? like is there a pattern on which team will go next or just simple 1 2 3?

[astral tiger]

it is 1 2 3

but it prioritizes 1st one if morale is full

[light widget]

well still easier to rotate now since can just swap the whole team

[orchid bane]

When can we set the whole base

With 1 button

[frank cipher]

ain't asking much workshop preset please

[orchid bane]

Training room preset

[queen basin]

Wut is current meta base setup for LMD

[rigid plume]

Proviso

[valid storm]

[safe briar]

[orchid bane]

What to choose ?

[valid storm]

whichever you want

[orchid bane]

[valid storm]

but glazed is still the best

[pale wing]

is there a way to display workers in a single screen for easier sharing

[dim mantle]

Whats the difference?

[valid storm]

the texture

[dim mantle]

Oh, got it

[wind otter]

only a psycopath would pick crystal

tfw you realize you can finally use annihilation skip ticket at least for a week because all your operators are once again max trust

[bright pivot]

wrong chat

[arctic prism]

i thought it looked cuter

[limpid frost]

this would obviously be very impractical but is it theoretically possible to micromanage your trading post to swap in proviso just before starting every order, and then keep it at max efficiency the rest of the time?

[arctic prism]

yeah some of us do that

can search for "curse" in this channel, that's what it refers to

[wind otter]

[arctic ice]

how do i finish this quest if my base is already complete

[arctic prism]

you dont

if you REALLY want to you could downgrade some stuff temporarily to upgrade a dorm then put it back to the way it was before

[round dagger]

You have two choices
1.brick your base
2.get free texas

[arctic prism]

he mostly bricked it already lol

[wind otter]

what did he do?

nvm saw the pic

[rigid plume]

The one Dorm should be 4 Lv.

[pale yoke]

noods and zyf both gone

[wind otter]

gone?

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

i think they both quit ak

[valid storm]

I think Zyf is just too busy with Fakefield factory optimalizations

[pale yoke]

didnt zyf gone before ak alter even launch?

just life i guess

[valid storm]

yeah, probably

life gets into my way as well, having a job is just barely better than having no job

[pale yoke]

[fresh thunder]

is ave mujika team a good control center team

[pale yoke]

not the worst but wouldn't call it good by any matric

[pallid isle]

your better off using parts of it by itself if your lacking other fill in slots

best part of the team is umiri for the hr buff really and adds a little extra tp bonus if using vigil i would say.

but using the whole team together is pretty meh

[orchid bane]

We gonna have new Demitri for for it tho

[lone surge]

Do we only get 2 pure gold in a single order ?

[pallid isle]

you can get more as you upgrade the tp

[brisk dust]

Between Proviso and Shamare, do you drone Shamare?

[round lichen]

Best E0 Jaye partners should be Rose Salt + Hoederer, right? It’s 70% + 3 cap (5 with Wiš) compared to 65% + 4 cap from Texas + Lappland. Obviously not a super important optimization since the group of people with the resources to E2 Rose Salt but no resources to acquire Fia and the optimal TP teams is probably quite small, but still probably worth changing Texas and Lappland as the “optimal” E0 Jaye partners in the sheet

@brisk dust If you’re droning TP, drones should ALWAYS go to Proviso

[brisk dust]

Thanks!

Any reference to math behind it?

[round lichen]

Watch this instructional video for math
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wxGPiKm5m4o

[summer kernel]

I think the point of that TP tab is that you can't have combos in other facilities. Otherwise, Jaye E0 + Vigil + Bellone+Umiri is also better than all those teams, and doesn't need the whole Babel squad

40+45+(45+8) = 138 from the two cap. Not a bad team lol

[queen flicker]

i'm back to 3 gold. snegu soon

[round lichen]

Even without Umiri this is still (80 + 8) vs. (65 + 16), so the point that Texas and Lappland shouldn’t be the optimal partners is still valid

But it’s probably true that Hoederer is too reliant on other facilities to leave the Special tab

[pallid isle]

Decided myself to flip more between 3 and 2 gold and play it on the edge

Having less then 100 gold bars stock piled can get sort of iffy if I keep cursing

Even with 3 gold

[vagrant portal]

I unlocked events and got all the ops from beginner guide. Which one should I unlock next for base slave

[vagrant portal]

How is ur base so good

[arctic prism]

it's just veteran diff

access to more ops, meta combos, etc

[pallid isle]

Stupid levels of cursed gaming

Do you have proviso btw for starters?

40-50k is a bit low but if you don't have her then that already is a massive difference

What I do with my tequila and proviso and what we call cursed is that I put them in before almost EVERY order requiring a lot more management throughout the day

But it means I save fiametta refreshes for waaifu (40% worker) and gladia

So it's a lot of things that just all stack and add

Way stronger tp combos a lot of micromanagement throughout the day

Oh I am blind your not even level 5 cc yet

Your doing good then I think

I have every operator in the game e2 for base because I been playing for years

New accounts doing 40-50k lmd and that exp around 30 something average is solid considering it's not even a fully branches out base yet

[pale yoke]

We should get auto rest like dijang, not much but sure would be nice

[pale wing]

dead lancet strategy:

[wind otter]

dw, they'll be back when HG announces the barbie collab

[orchid bane]

Nood change account name

Dose this mean he gave it to someone else ?

[valid storm]

Nah, he couldn't have, that's not that ToS friendly

[orchid bane]

[wind otter]

bro, you gone or what?

[fluid pollen]

…yea

[wind otter]

sad

[valid storm]

Rest in peace, noods

[pale yoke]

that's not noods i dont think

noods would use my support
i know its not noods after over a week no use

[valid storm]

who do you even have as a support?

[pale yoke]

right now ulpianus and tragodia
but really i can change to anything i have
not like anyone actually need to use support tho most of my friendlist are people with full ops already

[valid storm]

If you have trash as support, then don't wonder why people don't take them

[pale yoke]

both are objectively meta ops i would be shock anyone consider them trash
must be neuron deficiency

[valid storm]

both are trasg

[wind otter]

Miss Information yet again doing justice to the name

[valid storm]

Of course, I'm always staying factual

[orchid bane]

@pale yoke

I am sure I did not set anyone else "noods"

[pale yoke]

i saw, and i know the player id has been changed

i had noods as fav

[orchid bane]

This is why I set so many remark

Like 80% of my friendlist

[wind otter]

[wind otter]

this clue 7 sitch is getting outta hand

[hasty shadow]

what is the most optimal 252 setup if i maxed right side and have proviso?

[round lichen]

Factory levels should be 33222
TPs should be 32
One dorm can be Lv 2, this lets Czerny/Iris/Senshi give more of a buff or just helps with resting faster. If you don’t care about that, you can also have all dorms Lv 1 and make factories 33321 (same number of slots, but you can put Weedy in the Lv 1 factory so more teams that need multiple partners can work together)

[hasty shadow]

i dont get the dorm lvl 2 part.
Does 33321 give more resources overall?

[round lichen]

It depends on your roster

[hasty shadow]

Czerny/Iris/Senshi these names all sound unfamiliar xd

https://www.krooster.com/u/tastic
This is my roster currently

[round lichen]

Czerny and Iris buff the Perception Information team (Rosmontis and Ebenholz) based on the Level of the dorm they’re in
Senshi buffs the Dungeon Meshi collab ops the same way

If you have many teams that need to be in a Lv 3 Fac (e.g. Mizuki Jessica Vanilla, Vermeil Pallas Scene, Bryophyta Gravel Thorns2) then 33321 gives you more Lv 3 facs. Otherwise there’s no difference in total productivity, and Lv 1 Facs hit cap pretty fast, so you’ll probably prefer to do 33222

[hasty shadow]

is there an option with playing with 2 dormitories and 33322? or that will not work out?

[light widget]

your base will be full of dead ops in a matter of few days

[round lichen]

Maybe with a 48 hour Młynar team and ionizing a bunch of 25%s? I mean I waste a bunch of slots on dorm workers and full-morale Rhine Lab ops

[hasty tiger]

If level one dorms can't maintain your base its an issue of you not getting on once every 12 hours or so

[round lichen]

That’s not what they’re saying

They want to delete 2 dorms to free up power for a Fac level

[light widget]

bro didn't read the context

[hasty tiger]

It looked like the same spot early on in the conversation when I looked last

[arctic prism]

yea you can definitely kill off one dorm but two...? that sounds pretty difficult

lots of constant dorm management

can ask gato how he's holding up with his effectively 2 dorm rots

[round lichen]

Spent way too long trying to optimize instead of just making sure the loop can close

[arctic prism]

lmao

[round lichen]

Hope you weren’t planning on using anyone in the Workshop!!

(You can delay resting Midnight and Catapult since they only use 4.8 morale, they can go several cycles before they need to sleep)

[round lichen]

@hasty shadow 2 dorm is possible, but very tight. This rotation is based on the roster you sent. If you E1 some 4-stars and get some welfares, you could do it.
Welfares: Heavyrain (Walk in the Dust), Coldshot (Come Catastrophes or Wakes of Vultures), Bryophyta (So Long Adele), Conviction (April 1st)
E1s: Conviction, Frostleaf, Dur-nar, Vermeil, Beanstalk, Shirayuki, Purestream

Does this actually have better productivity than a 4-dorm setup? For endgame doctors, no. It would be better to use CC to increase productivity and make full use of the extra dorm slots to boost Muelsyse, Nasti, Pozëmka, etc.. But in your case, you don’t have much that you would rather use in the CC, and you don’t have any of the faction-count ops, so it may actually be a slight improvement. The extra Fac level means +1% inherent and +25% from workers, and since you don’t have the automation team, there’s no reason to use Pudding or Lancet, you can keep a 20% PP worker always working. You get 80% uptime on Proviso, which should offset the lost productivity from not using Amiya. If you’re willing to do a ton of micromanaging your dorms, it’s worth considering

(Or maybe I’m just coping because I spent so long trying to make it work, normal 4-dorm setup would be much easier)

[light widget]

do you really need that dorm shifting?

[astral tiger]

💀

that's some serious dedication

[pale yoke]

[pale yoke]

333 21getting a callout in 2026 we are making it the big league now

[round lichen]

Tripilled Threemaxxing

[round lichen]

You can free up dorm slots if you are willing to juggle ops that use <12 morale per cycle (like Frostleaf and Jaye could occupy a single dorm slot, just put in whoever is lower for that cycle). This just ensures that everybody can rest to full morale in a single cycle.

[hasty shadow]

is shamare a lot better than kafka or are they similar in performance? i have tequilla

[summer kernel]

That combo didn't work without Shamare. Shamare is the only one that gives the 90% TP along with the Tailoring

[edgy valley]

Putting Ebenholz in shamare team instead of bibeak (even e0?) just to buff rosmontis by 20% is presumably never worth it, correct?

[pallid isle]

According to the spreadsheet no

The buff is to strong on average when considering both tp%* and hidden gold

[astral tiger]

trading an 8% overall diff for 20% prod boost seems worth it tho or am I missing something?

[limpid frost]

if you own a clue but don't put it on the board can your friends still see it?

[queen flicker]

it is done

btw sakiko doesn't work with automation apparently

[light widget]

got a discussions for that in #1211608727103340616

[queen flicker]

sadly that discussion is a lost cause

[pallid isle]

Idt I processed the entire question

For e0 yes

For e2 (the only part I was looking at) no

[pallid isle]

Holy shit I read it and it really is

[astral tiger]

they were asking for e0 so yeah

e2 def not worth

[pallid isle]

Next time I will just link a screenshot of the entire list

[astral tiger]

[vestal sable]

Idk why that person is that stubborn when it comes to defending it

But whatever

[queen flicker]

yeah whatever

[safe briar]

Current Krooster Account; only difference is that Ines is S2M3'd; any improvements I can make to my current setup ?

Base Format - 2 / 5 / 2

CC F1 - Gnosis / Mon3ter / Swire / Blaze the Igniting Spark / Lava the Purgatory
CC F2 - Kal'sit / Mlynar / Amyia / Wis'adel / Civilitght Eterna

RR F1 - May / Rope
RR F2 - Ines / Vigil

Factory: Precious Metals F1 - Ceobe / Vermeil / Beanstalk
Factory: Precious Metals F2 - Gravel / Spot / Bryophyta

Factory #2: Precious Metals F1 - Almond / Purestream
Factory #2: Precious Metals F2 - Jessica / Vanilla

Factory #3: Precious Metals F1 - Astgenne / Popukar
Factory #3: Precious Metals F2 - Mizuki / Steward

Factory #4: Battle Records F1 - Totter / Perfumer
Factory #4: Battle Records F2 - Dorothy / Silence

Factory #5: Battle Records F1 - Conviction / FEater / Vigna
Factory #5: Battle Records F2 - Castle-3 / Shirayuki / Frostleaf

TP #1: F1 - Quartz / Proviso
TP #1: F2 - Mousse / Proviso

TP #2: F1 - SilverAsh / Degenbrecher / Jaye
TP #2: F2 - Kafka / Shamare / Tequila

PP #1 Greyy / Liskarm
PP #2 Frison-3 / Passanger

https://www.krooster.com/u/imswifting

[pale wing]

Do u not have gitano

[safe briar]

I do have her

[pale wing]

if you're using e1 may/rope, gitano should be a slight bit better

oh your gitano is lvl 1 nvm

[safe briar]

indeed

[pale wing]

is haze missing from this list or did i just miss it

ceobe vermeil beanstalk:
beanstalk 31%
vermeil 16%
ceobe ~40%
= 87%

I think it might be better to move mizuki to F1 with two standard workers..?

[frank cipher]

mlynar go to cc1
shama/teq/paprika should main team
pp2 blaze/20%

[safe briar]

What would those changes do

[frank cipher]

mlynar/civil both give mr which doesn't stack
you don't run combo yet so flat 20% pp is better

[brisk dust]

Guys, PeterYR video says that Bibeak / Kafka don't stack with Shamare at E0 because Shamare has the same skill, but that they get better version at E2 and then they do improve production

But this seemingly contradicts this information from spreadsheet, who is correct?

[pale wing]

what is contradicted

[brisk dust]

"Slight increase" and "Slight increase x2" have different numbers

Tequila doesn't have "Slight increase", so this is supposed to refer to Shamare and the 3rd member, but these aren't supposed to stack, therefore "Slight increase" should be the same as "Slight increase x2"

[pale wing]

[arctic prism]

order probability related calculations are based off manual data gathering + estimations rather than numbers pulled directly from the game
No one has actual exact rates other than HG, so I wouldnt put that much meaning behind them especially when it gets down to small percentage differences like slightly increase vs 2x slightly increase

[brisk dust]

For this particular case it would make a big difference because it could mean the 3rd operator does basically nothing at E0 though

[arctic prism]

it's kind of a "if you're using this team you should eventually e2 the tailoring op anyways which seems to overpower + not stack with the weaker variant so just try to get there anyways" situation

[arctic prism]

yeah that's true but the 3rd op cant really do anything outside of adding cap (or I guess smth like throwing eben/kirara in there to buff the other facilities) in this scenario anyway since shamare is going to delete any direct %tp

so it's more of a might as well throw it in there just in case it has some sort of effect

[brisk dust]

ROI of E2 of that operator would be what, longer than the game exists?

[arctic prism]

if you're worried about ROI you shouldnt even be using shamare team

the only op that pays themselves back in a reasonable amount of time is proviso and maybe 4*s for e1

everyone else isnt worth

[pale wing]

personally, i like leveling up random ops just to increase the amount of options available to me for messing around so i consider roi as just a slight increase in prioritization

[summer kernel]

that cn screenshot info is really old. iirc, there was either an update or just new data analysis that the tailorings stack.

#r-i-i-c message

does JP do any decent analysis? i think CN only does dps/ combat analysis now

like is there an nga equivalent?

[arctic prism]

id imagine they would just use info from CN- or if they do have some base nerd group im guessing it would be similar to how things are here where it's like a tiny club in some corner of the internet lmao

not sure where to even start looking for a group like that ngl

[summer kernel]

maybe we can find them on LINE but i dont know japanese.
cn stopped doing our type of base analysis so theres no new data that i know of

[arctic prism]

yea same lol

I also dont know if there are that many people actually doing proper base analysis anymore for the game period? across all communities i mean

bc p much everything is figured out at least up to the point where we more or less can

and id assume if anything useful releases in cn the people over there would at least take a look at it

[summer kernel]

more work could be done on non-12hr shift rotations. i think morale in general is kinda just ignored bc of the complexity but there is still things to explore

[rose knoll]

My video is old, sheet is right

[summer kernel]

do you remember if it was the tailoring B update that changed the behavior? I remember reading about that but cant find the receipts

[charred flax]

If I have proviso, does that mean that I should downgrade my TP to level 2 right? but what if she gets tired?
(im still a bit new)

[pale wing]

what's your full base setup look like

[charred flax]

im still lacking in ops cos i was forced to use ops who do not have the corresponding skills on one of my factory

[astral tiger]

if u have fia u can use her to refresh proviso

otherwise just put whatever 30% combo or smth

during downtime

[charred flax]

Is fia an ops?

[astral tiger]

yeah

6* op

fiammetta

[charred flax]

Oh, I dont think i have. But ill still have to downgrade the TP right?

[astral tiger]

even if u didn't upgrade your RR and Office, u will have to downgrade TP if u want training room lvl 3

other option is removing a dorm but then u will have to stagger your ops properly

[charred flax]

This is my current set up

[astral tiger]

then yeah downgrade a TP

and use that power on lvl 3 fac

[charred flax]

This is bad right

[astral tiger]

you are using your drones on proviso tp only right?

your lmd is kinda low but I guess u spent your drones to level your facilities

so it will be fine later

[charred flax]

I randomly just use the drones to be honest for the two TP. i guess I should only use them on Proviso only mb

[astral tiger]

yeah only use them on proviso tp

[charred flax]

My facilities were already like that since last 2 weeks i guess. Thanks for the advice

[astral tiger]

ah

what team are you using for your other tp then?

[charred flax]

here

[astral tiger]

is your shamare e2?

[charred flax]

Not yet, still E1. (I only have 2 E2 as of now, aside from the free welfare units like tequila and ethan)

[astral tiger]

then don't use tequila and shamare in tp

use 3 ops with 30% tp eff instead

u only pair shamare and tequila together

that too when shamare is E2

[charred flax]

Thankss, will do

[astral tiger]

Or whatever highest total % u can maintain

I just said that cuz I assumed u prob dont have any other good ones

but yeah once u get shamare E2 then you're set

[little shard]

i need pov e2 for 242 setup ?

[astral tiger]

proviso? yes she's very worth to e2 for base regardless if you're running 243 or 252

strongest tp worker

[little shard]

what is most end optimal

im pretty much done building my characters now im trying to build optimal base

[astral tiger]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zYc2JU46X0XWmV7s1503bN4feRdOMa1eehrTQ2jGaiE/edit?gid=1263834449#gid=1263834449

for TP, best teams are proviso and shamare teams

[little shard]

This is my current

[little shard]

yeah i checked that one but what about base ?

[astral tiger]

best setup is 252

2 tps, 5 facs and 2 power plants

[little shard]

so i need to down pp and dorms ?

[astral tiger]

yes

check the pins

[little shard]

ok

[astral tiger]

there's a vid there on how to downgrade

[little shard]

im in that sheet but im little confused

we need oly lvl 1 dorms ?

[astral tiger]

yes

u don't have enough power in 2 power plant setups to run max lvl dorms

[little shard]

ok

i mean can we replanish all ops moral including tranning and workshop whith this or its only potimal for fac

[astral tiger]

you can, it takes around 10hrs to refresh morale

[little shard]

ooh

[orchid bane]

M2 mulberry and I don't know should I get ROI from Eyja2 or hibis2

[astral tiger]

[wind otter]

sure, as soon as base does something with skill masteries

[round lichen]

How about Yu ROI since he’s 80% and you would want him there anyway…

[queen flicker]

highmore mizuki silence alter is 95% right?

[round lichen]

Yes

[queen flicker]

who are rhine labs?

magallan, mayer, silence, saria, ptilopsis, ifrit, astgenne, dorothy, nasti and muelsyse i believe

[orchid bane]

I don't use WP

[dense python]

should we buid activity rooms or are they just wasting power?

[rigid plume]

They don't waste any Energy, but you build them only on last step.

Because it's only purpose is Trust farm.

[dense python]

yeah just saw that.Then idk what to do cause i dont have enough power with 2 power plants

cant max left side

[rigid plume]

You won't

That's the point

You have limited power, so you balance through Lv2 and Lv3 buildings.

[dense python]

oh alright

so priority is factories yeah?

[rigid plume]

Both TP and Fac, but know the main rule

• At least one building of such type should be Lv3.

Ideally you wanna leave one TP Lv2, because it benefits Proviso

And the rest goes to Facs.

[dense python]

currently its like this

[rigid plume]

One TP Lv3.

Spare a level from one Fac Lv3.

[dense python]

all factories should make gold then

[rigid plume]

No

3 EXP 2 Gold

Or 2 EXP 3 Gold, if very low

[dense python]

how many LMD does this combo produce?

[rigid plume]

If you will see above 40k - you're good

50k, 60k, even better

[dense python]

daily right?

[rigid plume]

Yep

[dense python]

alright,ty man

[limpid frost]

Suppose I have the tequila/shamare team in a trading post with a few minutes before the next order starts, and I want to put in proviso when that happens. Should I keep the tailoring β operator in to preserve the tailoring ramp up, or clear everyone out to get a higher chance for a defaulted order?

Not doing full cursing, just whenever I check in on my base and the opportunity comes up

[rigid plume]

As I remember, the ops skills which does modify orders will apply only on next order after switching ops.

[arctic prism]

Depends on this
By the time you stop cursing you want tailoring to be ramped
So if you are cursing for > 5 hrs straight, you want to remove the tailoring ops to increase defaulted order rate
Then from 5 hrs before you stop cursing you want to keep the tailoring B op to keep the ramp

[limpid frost]

ok, so if its gonna be a one-time thing just leave the taloring ops in?

[arctic prism]

Yea

[limpid frost]

I tried doing some calculations of my own to confirm this and it looks like it's still better to reset tailoring in this case even if you only do a single order?
Can someone look over my calculations and make sure I'm doing this right

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NjCkvc_dBUy41zUH5L6rwB1mLs1Zcw_A2AMUWTuj6Ic

[arctic prism]

so you're saying the theoretical amount you gain off of completely eliminating ramp for that one order is greater than the potential loss in subsequent unramped orders?

let me think about this for a sec

interesting
yea the calcs on your sheet seem about right to me

i'll try doing my own calcs too but it's a question worth considering

[obsidian inlet]

Does Cantabile and Puzzle's base skill scale of work time?

[wind otter]

I've always assumed that she does but now that I review Canta's base skill description, it is not said anywhere

[arctic prism]

yep just calculated from my side with a slightly different method but assuming linear ramp your theory is correct

I only calculated for tailoring B but in that case you get 163 more lmd if you just reset ramp before subbing in proviso

hopefully it makes sense- I kinda just threw in whatever equations I needed to get an answer then went back to format it to make it somewhat understandable afterward

[obsidian inlet]

Yeah which has me questioning how it works

[jaunty notch]

It's a scam

[summer kernel]

just trade clues lol

[summer kernel]

are we doing shamare pre-ramp stuff again

[arctic prism]

lol kind of

[summer kernel]

provisos so good that im not surprised that breaking ramp is better. but aggregating the work times is probably flawed. id do each scenario (low, med, high gold orders) then multiply by the probability

[arctic prism]

yeah i thought that too but was too lazy to do every combination

[wind otter]

that doesn't answer the question though

[summer kernel]

fair. you should collect some data for us

[wind otter]

I could, easily, but that would at best be considered anecdotal, we need official game files info

the idea that I could have been cursing cantabile all this time is statting to piss me off

[arctic prism]

I mean you can try that and see if you see any difference

[wind otter]

that would be so subjective, I don't trust it, I don't trust the guy doing it

[summer kernel]

If you have a big enough sample, we could see if it does anything. We dont have Tailoring numbers from game data, just statistical inference

[wind otter]

big enough sample, how many weeks or months are we talking about?

that choice in itself is subjective

[summer kernel]

I mean, if its flat rates, 14%, and you get 3 clues a day? prob only need half a year to see a difference if its a +10% difference.

[wind otter]

half a year, for both cursed and non-cursed?

what about when I have no clues left on the board, so any clue obtained is practically a clue not on the board

[summer kernel]

OK, i just read cantabile's skill lol. it'll be a bit more complicated but youd have to keep track of how many clues you have on the board and if you got a new clue or an old clue.

If you want to know cursed or not, youd have to run another experiement. You can do this in parallel.

If you have no clues, you should expect the same flat rate lol

Cantabile is more complicated but it would prob be faster to know vs those Clue specific ops.
Yes:No vs 86%: 14%

[obsidian inlet]

One factor that should be considered are the different chances for each clue

There's no official stats but from what I've seen clue 7 and 2 are the most common

[summer kernel]

lmao is there actual data on that?

[wind otter]

[obsidian inlet]

It's stated on wiki.gg I think lmoa but nothing official it seems

[summer kernel]

if clues arent a flat probability, you should start with finding the baseline probabilities lol. but everything still applies

[wind otter]

"how many clues you have on the board "

easy

"if you got a new clue or an old clue." clues are automatically in order you obtain them, so easy

" You can do this in parallel."

sounds like alt-account

"Cantabile is more complicated but it would prob be faster to know vs those Clue specific ops."

Matsukiri has the same base skill, at least based on description

[limpid frost]

Is it not optimal to just give away all your clues and rely on friend clues to do clue exchanges?

[summer kernel]

i by no means think this is easy data collection but im excited to see the results if you go through with it

[summer kernel]

yea. #trading-post exists to facilitate that but people prefer trading the same clue to each other ("swapping") so getting all the clues is helpful

[arctic prism]

@jaunty notch btw with this discovery for your rots it's better to not ramp 5 hrs before sleep shift

as a sanity check I did also try calculating pretending that the ramp was a step function from 0 to 100 at 5 hrs, in which case you lose about 100 lmd by not keeping ramp

but in linear ramp case you should gain ~160 so

whatever we want to believe ig

[summer kernel]

isnt his sleep method to drone until a 4gold order then put in sham team? I dont think he should do anything different(?)

[arctic prism]

oh was it? the last thing I remember talking to him was about starting ramp 5 hrs before sleep

[summer kernel]

oh so he can curse the "ramp" time? thats smart.
I dont think the scope of the original question covers this case though

[summer kernel]

can i see the work for the step or did you just do the aggregate method but with stepwise probabilities.

Now im interested

[arctic prism]

just aggregate method lol

it's essentially just the same thing as the previous ss

[arctic prism]

for this though it does matter- if its more efficient to kill off ramp even just for a single order, theres no reason to keep the ramp in any previous order

[jaunty notch]

honestly I'm so busy I put sham team in so i don't have to think about the tp lol

[arctic prism]

lmao yea makes sense

[jaunty notch]

i have like multiple year long projects clogged up my ass

[jaunty notch]

but yeah honestly i have less concern about droning which tp now

since it's 1.81 vs whatever the hell tp lv3 prov teq gives

which is def better than 1.55

[arctic prism]

it's like 1.61 or smth i forget actual number

[jaunty notch]

so i can also just curse during the 5 hours before sleep

[arctic prism]

dam keeping up the curse even with projects clogged up your ass

respect

[jaunty notch]

yeah i have it in the docs i just too lazy to drag it out

but also there's the fact that I have 20m lmd

and I literally just need xp

concerning if I want to lv90 everyone

but as always, it feels too wasteful going 3 xp in this roster economy

[arctic prism]

yea thats p much where im at too

153 time

[wind otter]

I'm thinking. My main concern is how to present the data. I don't use spreadsheets, so I'm thinking about the format of the data. I don't think specifying the ramp up time for specific clue results in the side of the ramp up side of the observations is necessary (I'm thinking), since the comparison is between non-ramp up vs ramp up, but the idea of writing down the specific clue result with the specific point of ramp up of the Canta-like op in Reception is giving me a headache.

[summer kernel]

if i have time, ill just coop some code and sim it with all the discrete prob weighted cases

[summer kernel]

i see what your saying but does it apply if the options are to:
A) keep cursing then put in sham?
B) put in sham early and curse while ramping?

bc A is basically the std curse + "reset ramp" in your calcs
while B is "keep ramp" but with the ramp to 2475 cursed LMD number then std sham.

just bc "reset ramp" > "keep ramp" doesnt provide a conclusion to the convolution of these other unknown values

[arctic prism]

yea that's fair
I'm just thinking that these two specific scenarios are the two extremes and everything else would be somewhere in between

but would be interesting to get an actual sim that covers each combination

[pale wing]

what is this curse thing being repeatedly mentioned

[summer kernel]

obv keeping a detailed spreadsheet of ramp times, clues on board, etc would be helpful if you want to use your data to look into something else

but if you just want to know if Canta works, i think just need to record: 1) if Canta was ramped, 2) if the clue was new/unique based on the order method you said before

you can do this with your usual logins.

If you dont want to record the exact ramp times, you have to decide a cutoff time for what is "fully" ramped"

in the end, you should be able to say: you are X% confident that Canta works after Y ramp uptime

If you just want to know if it works without ramp for cursing, you reset Canta every shift to collect more unramped data. for that you'd have to login to curse your clues and write down if its a new clue

[arctic prism]

for proviso and tequila the way their skill works is that if they are in the TP at the moment the next order is generated, their effect will modify that new order regardless of if they stay in the TP or not
cursing refers to taking advantage of this mechanic by putting in pure tp% ops and only putting in proviso/tequila right before the order completes

[pale wing]

oh that does indeed sound very cursed

[arctic prism]

it's "cursed" because you have to set timers and check back between each order, but it does boost lmd production by a good amount if done well

probably roughly +10k lmd/day, maybe more maybe less depending on how much of the day you do it for
but every time you miss it for an order it's like -1000 lmd per order missed

[wind otter]

why are we alive, just to suffer?

[pale yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-cat-in-front-of-sea-gif-16930437336998530733

[summer kernel]

fast and loose code but seems close enough

https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1Rh9UJKvih7UUe2ZtPnSpfTp-RRIL3f_1?usp=sharing

tldr: Removing both tailors to curse then leaving Shamare team alone is 400LMD more than leaving the Beta Ramp.

Leaving in Sham is also better but is worse than removing both.

[arctic prism]

lmao yea seems about right

crazy

[summer kernel]

just curse your sham TP when you rotate lol

Also worth Replacing both Tailors and curse and droning that lvl3 TP if it takes 10/11 drones or less if you have a lvl 2/3 TP

all this ignores the contribution from the free Teq gold so with that in mind its actually a net negative tbh

yeah, lmao missing the forest for the trees, its totally not worth removing the tailors in all cases bc of that Teq gold

[pallid isle]

lol has it actually been worse for me doing glasglow

idk hard to say ig

might just be way to tired but i can't make heads or tails out of calc

what exactly is the partners also with shamare

or just assume nothing of benefit

but then in the scenario of no shamare what are you using

[silent nova]

wowza

[pallid isle]

wowza is exactly how i am feeling reading everything here

[silent nova]

it's a doozy of a function

[pallid isle]

the other factors here at least well in my scenario are eben adds 5 or 10% depending on rotation cycle and who ros is covvering

even excluding ALL sui

because ros is a 42%

so free 10% factory buff

extra cc slot for myself when i exclude delphine

which can also add a good bait of factoring

maybe i should try and see how beta + shamare + eben holds out long run then

[little shard]

so only lumen is enough as we cant stack dorms buffs

or i can add single target buff each dorm ?

[pallid isle]

generally its not even that relevant unless your doing cursed rotations

most rotations keep in mind should be roughly 12 hours

which is enough without anyone