r-i-i-c

[glad hill]

Problem is you can't have both the WP and PI teams at the same time

Bc there's only 1 slot in the HR

Skill description doesn't indicate that

It only says it adds an extra 0,1 if there's CE in CC

God

[astral tiger]

I mean left and right side would be equal, just the cc wont be

she gives 0.45 to everything but the cc so yeah it is unequal unless u put an alter

mlynar just gives the same to all

[glad hill]

So theoretically if I want the two sides to last the same amount of time (-0,45) I should use Wisadel and Mlynar at the same time?

Wait no it's just going to make it 0,35

GOTT

[astral tiger]

mlynar and wisadel dont work together anyways

you're using WP or PI team ig so idk what's the setup for you

personally I just use mlynar as the "main" with 2 smiley

[glad hill]

And I still haven't solved the issue of the fact that if I want the Sui team to touch both MN's shift and Ebenholz'es shift they'll have to lower the amount of WP halfway through their shift

Here

[glad hill]

Why? One gives 0,1 to all and the other extra 0,1 to the right side

[astral tiger]

It's mentioned in wisadel's base skill that it simply takes the highest recovery value

they dont stack basically

[glad hill]

Oh
So it's just like the Dorm skills all over again

KSO

[astral tiger]

yep

[glad hill]

How should I balance out WP and PI btw?
What if just say screw it, remove Mulberry from the equation whatsoever, put MN in a different factory (which is rotated at fhe same time as CC) and therefore make the base always be at only -0,35? (how much is that in hours?)

[astral tiger]

can't help ya with WP and PI teams since I don't have them

so didn't look into it either

[glad hill]

Darn

[astral tiger]

surely someone will help out

[carmine narwhal]

What's the ratio between factories, trading posts, and power plants?

[rigid plume]

243 and 252 are most often used.

Trading > Factories > Powerplants

[carmine narwhal]

Thanks for the clarification I was just about to ask that

[rigid plume]

Most effective is 252 btw.
243 for lazy people and who wants max out base.

[carmine narwhal]

I'll keep that in mind

[frank cipher]

252 for lazy people 243 is for tryhard lazy people

[rigid plume]

[vernal moss]

Teq, shamare

[orchid bane]

I asked about the bibeak-like skill. You don't have any of them ?

[vernal moss]

uhh doesnt shamare count

[orchid bane]

No

Kafka, paprika, diamante

[vernal moss]

why not?? isnt it both increasing chance of higher gold orders

[orchid bane]

Shamere is slightly

The main ramp skill are those 4 OP

[vernal moss]

i thought teq best team was shamare and bibeak

i dont have the rest of them

[orchid bane]

Kafka and Paprika is from gacha

Diamante is from Voucher

Nowadays we don't use Bibeak much in term of gameplay

Well not much for the rest tho. But bibeak cost you gold cert

[vernal moss]

so are you saying use 1 of the others instead of bibeak

[orchid bane]

Only because bibeak took gold cert

Kafka is in kernel and recruit
Paprika is in standard

[vernal moss]

damn

looks like my teq team aint ready then rip

[glad hill]

How do I calculate morale drain again?
CC provides -0,25 MD to all base, so 24x1,25=30

But the Sui siblings (affected only by that 0,25) always last 32 hours, what am I getting wrong?

[orchid bane]

No not like that

-0.25 mean morale drain per hour 1-0.25 = 0.75

Working time. 24/0.75

That is for non fac, TP building

There are extra -MD in fac TP

[glad hill]

Ohh that's the formula

So then I divide 24 by the result and then multiply the result of that by 24

That way I get 32

[orchid bane]

Just divide and get the working time

[astral tiger]

Simply put: Working Time = (Current Morale of OP) / Morale consumed per hour

there's nothing else to it

[glad hill]

ah

Dude then making the MD -0,35 totally makes sense cuz it's almost exactly 36 hours

So I just need to add 0,1 to 0,25 lol

.... except I'm still going to need at least a 0,4 (40 hours) bc the Suis will always consume 0,25 (32 hours)
Darn

[pale yoke]

333 as intended by game dev

[vernal moss]

009

[glad hill]

Is there really no way to lessen the Sui squad's MD? Like at all?

[orchid bane]

Use Only Dusk skill

For 12hr

And put more -MD in

[summer kernel]

OMG I totally forgot that it takes LMD to make AO in the base. Umiri is actually broken

She's worth 25.6% FAC and 8.6% TP and another 5%TP if you use Vigil or Lapp1

[arctic ice]

how do i increase lmd production

[orchid bane]

All rng tho. But my main team is already sui with Saileach. Well. Urimi have a slot in my sub team. Replacing both vivi flame

By getting em out. I can put Hoshi2 and Umiri in

Cool I guess

[summer kernel]

Not sure where's the RNG? It's long term averages of what a reroll is worth. Same logic we use for Proviso / Sham / Teq valuations.

Don't know any CC operators that's worth 34% production alone. Not even Exodia pieces are since the TP/FAC% have to be averaged over the 5-8 member team

The only conditional of Umiri is if you just don't care about Gold Certs or pull income, so whales. If you run 12hr shifts, you should never Cap on HR%

[orchid bane]

It still a refresh every 5 days

I am not saying it is bad

[summer kernel]

And a lvl3 mod costs a week of full base LMD production? What's the point?

[orchid bane]

[summer kernel]

The numbers say that she's amazing but I guess it feels bad if it doesn't show up on the daily report lol

If you can't tell by me forgetting about AO needing LMD, I don't even AO farm, so I'm just glazing Umiri for the love of the game

[orchid bane]

Again . not saying it is bad.
But it is like . if you have 1 more pull than me every month. That is not safe enough to make you have more OP, potential than me.
Something like that
But still always good to have

RNG stuffs

[summer kernel]

You only get like 12 pulls/mo if you convert all your natural sanity into 1-7 rocks. 1 pull from 1 op is a lot lol (not sure if Umiri is that OP though)

Why do you even rock farm so hard if 1 more pull is nothing

[orchid bane]

Not saying it is nothing ever

[pale yoke]

@wind otter smh my head

[glad hill]

alright, I united the WP and PI squads at the cost of Mulberry (PI buffs both the FAC and TP while WP only benefits the TP, Mr. Nothing can work as just a 40%er if it means my Rosmontis has 70) as well as added Viv to the other CC shift (will cross with JK and Wild Mane for only half a shift but whatever)

[glad hill]

Forgot to count Mon3tr also contributing -0,05, leading to the total from Wisadel+Kroos2+Mon3tr+Viv being -0,2, which leads to -0,45 (40h, just enough to offset the Sui's 32)

[wind otter]

fake shit, everyone knows Bungie hasn't released Marathon yet

survey compensation is only 200 orundum when they've always given 600 wtf yostar

[orchid bane]

If not the limited event every 3 months. I don't know any event that have 600 orun survey

[weak moon]

You got base overview on this? Wanna see production

[glad hill]

Give it a day, I just changed it and one of the shifts had to start early so that the other guys would go to the dorms in the morning

As of now here's me experimenting for 3 days straight (no idea where did those 72k came from)

[glad hill]

So far not too different from what I used to have, the only thing of note (and what I hope to see reflected in the long-term) is a more consistent gold production line thanks to the automation team now being properly glued to Greyy2 instead of just them intersecting for half a shift. That way it goes from being 115% that sometimes turns into 140% for a short while to always being 140%.

Another question is whether this will be enough to keep up with the increased demand from my TPs, now that all of them use teams with 120% or higher production (except for Shamare and Proviso teams), so I also moved Rosmontis from an EXP factory to a gold factory

[distant flower]

What are the 4 best teams of 3 operators for trading post I can use from these ops? (Yes, I have looked at the pins, I am just lost)

[queen flicker]

i think proviso + any 30% worker + any 30% worker is your best team

the other 3 teams, whatever the higher % you can get

[queen flicker]

something like this i guess?:

• proviso, mousse, yato
• gummy, catapult, midnight
• kichisei, fang, deepcolor
• jaye, gitano, melantha

idk

[glad hill]

Actually no, JK and WM aren't worth it when there's a dozen other 35% workers that don't require any setup

Guess I'll wait till Snegurochka comes out, place her instead of Eunectes and put Eunectes into CC

[junior falcon]

How did the numbers in base set ups work? Like 252

[astral tiger]

2 trading posts, 5 factories, 2 power plants

[junior falcon]

hmmm, I got a 243 but I think I have a very slow deficit in gold production?

Usually try running the Delphine TP combo and alternate with the Kjerag one

[astral tiger]

that's good, no?

having a surplus doesn't really help u

[rigid plume]

Proviso is used to burn much money. If you feel that you cannot compete with her, lower her efficiency.

[round dagger]

Kinda hard to satisfy proviso with only 2 gold factories

Especially when you are using full drones on TP

Normally you need 3 or 4 gold factories to keep up with proviso, that's why people here recommend using 252 setup

[junior falcon]

Ic Ic

[limpid frost]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gkWM17GhbISQYc2TsQRmCbOOfA7spE2mDCBPeGkpXs8
shameless self-plug for this sheet i made a week ago for this exact purpose

by the way, what's a good estimate for gold income from the credit shop, assuming i buy gold whenever it's discounted?

[meager meadow]

like 100-130 bars in a month

it could be more if you are lucky

[vernal moss]

Is sakiko + 2 free bandmates worth putting in cc (assume e0)

For now i have mylnar smiley face team + amiya team w 4 morale boost slaves

[pale yoke]

they are quite bad

not worth it generally unless you really have nothing else

🤓 it's better than nothing

[vernal moss]

Ok then

Sadge

[pale yoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1227125279357534269/1268027007539744808/Pepe_party_4_transparent.gif

@uncut dome the curse of 7

[valid storm]

You need more

[pale yoke]

you have some? i can do a 7 swap right about now lol

[valid storm]

No idea, lemme check what I got

[pale yoke]

been sending out freebies but no one sending me one because i always have some carry on

[valid storm]

I have none

[pale yoke]

thanks for checking anyway

[valid storm]

what I have is

[pale yoke]

AT LEAST YOU STILL PLAYING

not like someone here smh my head

[valid storm]

Of course

I also play with Fakefield

[pale yoke]

EU or asia?

[valid storm]

EU

I'm a filthy global player

[pale yoke]

nvm then

~~hey not my fault ocenia ocean cable connects to singapore ~~

[orchid bane]

You said not ur fault

But cross it

So it is your fault?

[pale yoke]

i cross it cause it's irrelevant in the bigger picture
i can start in EU if i choose to, just like 20% more pings

[orchid bane]

[pale yoke]

i see JP player playing at 8 to 22 ping im so jealous

[valid storm]

for me Asia has unplayable ping

[queen flicker]

i'm staggering bryo team but i did the calc and this is the same as 3 shifts of bryo, thorns, gravel and 1 shift of 90% sub team. am i wrong?

[pale yoke]

yea i know...im in the awkward situation where both server sucks, so i choose the one that suck less

asia go eu = ded
eu go asia = ded
me go either = half dead either way

[glad hill]

Same here lmao

[pale yoke]

idk from a glance this look better

yea definitely better

especially if you run vivianna too

[queen flicker]

i mean bryo staggers are: 116%, 111%, 110% and 101%. the avg of all 4 shifts is 109,5%

and 3 shifts of 116% and one 90% the avg of these 4 is 109,5% too if im not wrong

so any sub team higher than 90% should be better than staggering right?

[pale yoke]

depends on your CC too

[queen flicker]

no viviana sadly

[pale yoke]

but if we looking plainly sure, it will also make your life easier rotating them in group don't think much about it

in the end play it easy as i like to say

and i never lie

[queen flicker]

well actually i think staggering is easier for me because my space droms are already very limited

[pale yoke]

we can blame zyf for it
been seeing more 7 in rotation...disgusting

[pale yoke]

who you fia-ing?

[queen flicker]

proviso shamare and tequila

[pale yoke]

if allowed just fia bryo lol

oh

nvm then probably can't fit another one in unless you time it

and proviso die of cringe with extra speed

[uncut dome]

It wasn't me after all

It was always you

Clue 7 magnet

[pale yoke]

HEY HEY HEY

[queen flicker]

anyway just to confirm it, is this correct?

[pale yoke]

just because someone also sending me 7 so i can't get to swap them out okaaay

[pale yoke]

i'd say no

[uncut dome]

You are right

[pale yoke]

the duality

[uncut dome]

No, there's 5 more

[pale yoke]

i stagger with AH so i guess it's just not the same

[queen flicker]

thanks time to adjust the rotation

[uncut dome]

Yea that one's higher cuz the supposed "sub" is higher than the "main" team

He has Haze in so it's lower

[pale yoke]

yea

[normal lava]

These are my TP teams, what yall think? good?

[rotund belfry]

hi how much is decent for 522 setup

[summer kernel]

Exu2 is really bad, only a 30% since she doesn't count herself as Laterano. Try Quartz E1 with two standard 30%s if you have no one better.

I'm assuming Jaye is E0 and you're running two 12hr shifts but swapping Jaye and Exu 1 is probably better.

Are you running your Hoe with Ines and/or W?

I wonder if HG is going to try more switch-case based ops like Wang
Sad that HG locks base meta behind Collab and limited ops

[silent matrix]

Hello !
I need some help for deciding what's the best bandage I could put on my building setup.
I wanted to go initially for a 252 (RR3 HR1) setup but... years ago when I started my account I had the great idea to level up my Office... that it seem can't be downgraded ... so I am actually stuck with poor power to up my 10th lvl 3 facility and...so.... can't pass my control Center lvl 5
I'm still pretty new to the game and saw some big theory crafters or strategist for bases so.... I'm sure there is a way to fix my base but I don't know what's the best move I could make in my current setup ?
Downgrading a factory ?
Sorry for the long message !!

[weak moon]

I've been doing 60k LMD/60k gold/30k exp stable for a while

[weak moon]

buiild the last dorm
downgrade a TP instead if you have proviso

[silent matrix]

Thank you for answering !
At this time I don't have Proviso, will try to grab her when it's possible, so the best move I could do now, is downgrading a TP to save some power and up in 5.0? 🙂

[weak moon]

downgrade a factory since you don't have proviso

[round dagger]

Very good setup to burn stacked shard or gold in blink eyes,
I seen someone posted screenshot using that setup,

But not advised if you don't have much stack of shards or golds

[rotund belfry]

i have like uhh

4.2k+ gold

[round dagger]

Guess that isn't stacked enoh ...

The most average one trading post will burn around 40 gold each, so with 5 tp you will burn like more or less around 200 gold everyday on average efficiency..
Full Drones tp might burn more gold too...

[ionic fog]

If i downgrade a tp for proviso, who does she work with?

[rigid plume]

Highest OrderEff%, but solo.

[ionic fog]

So usually like midnight and catapult? Who should i put once proviso rest

[rigid plume]

Um

Duo Highest OrderEff%.

[ionic fog]

Why even ask

[rigid plume]

Idk

Should be obvious you just buff working speed

Usually

[ionic fog]

who knows, there might be a good 2 op combo that i wasnt aware of

[rigid plume]

Some teams may requires an different approach

But without any specific ability, it's just blunt boost.

[ionic fog]

Ig

[eternal gyro]

Hey2, after using proviso for few months, i dont really see any difference with whom to pair her with, since the result is still random. Not sure if im doing the right thing:

• TP Lv3: Sham, Teq, Paprika
• TP Lv2: Proviso, Quartz/any 30% worker (i always drone this).

Or should i use drone on Sham Teq?

[frank cipher]

you're good using drone at max value

[pallid isle]

Always drone proviso (the level 2)

[cobalt pumice]

not sure if the main menu is still under riic, but is there any way i can get nearl light event ost to the base and home menu screen

[short umbra]

does umiris base skill affect shamare?

[slim yarrow]

between Scene and Miss Christine, who's more worth to E2 for FAC? (using ticket). Alternatively, I E2 Morgan for glassgow team in TP.

[orchid bane]

Our boy have new free skin

[orchid bane]

-# Oh wait. It is just his 4*

[modern atlas]

[orchid bane]

Nice report

-# ||cool viet name||

[mental flume]

is it better for a new player to downgrade one of the factories and upgade tp3 since i don't have proviso and enough good fac workers anyway

[round dagger]

Don't have proviso mean lv3 tp indeed better

[snow basin]

nope

[orchid bane]

Tbh. It should be

[snow basin]

I was wondering what to cycle between my two CC teams
team 1 - Umiri, Mutsumi, Uika, Mlynar, mon3tr
team 2 - Mlynar, Amiya, mon3tr, Wis, filler?

don't have much better choices

[orchid bane]

Mlynar and wis not stack

[snow basin]

oh yea, woops

[orchid bane]

About ave. I think you should use Just Umiri or all squad

[snow basin]

maybe 4 of them + Wis
I don't have another +7% tp 😔

[mental flume]

is bryophyta e2 worth investments or does he get replaced later on?

[rigid plume]

In base yeah

[pallid isle]

Probably a while before he gets replaced

He's 45% so probably never actually

[pale yoke]

I missed this for so many years it's kinda funny

[orchid bane]

Iirc. This stage opened when we had training ground

Forgot to turn ping off

So if you started playing long ago. It is kinda understandable

I figured that I missed this when I was looking around records

I guess back then it was possible for some of the events to go to ex stage without reading the last story. Not possible now

[pale yoke]

ooo so it's a new thing, yea that make sense

[orchid bane]

Pretty sure many don't aware of this stage

[fluid pollen]

Ty🪿

[past apex]

hi, do pins have a guide on the current most optimal set up for 243. If not could I get some help with optimizing it. Heres my krooster, if something is needed that's unbuilt im willing to build it, sitting on excess resources rn https://krooster.com/u/alyssal

[orchid bane]

u just found out ?

[uncut dome]

[orchid bane]

Hola zyf

[hearty sluice]

In 252 setup, how about if I get 2 fac for exp, 2 fac for gold, and , 1 fac for orundum?
Do I need drone the gold for proviso?

[slim yarrow]

You never, need, but you def should. That said, you might start lacking gold if your 2 gold facs aren't cracked.

[astral tiger]

You should be able to safely drone proviso in this case

[strange tapir]

so im looking at this, does this mean i just need to use 2 ops in each lvl3 fac? each time switching

[agile tinsel]

hey i'm back to the game after a long time and i totally forgot anything about optimising base and like all I want is being able to have a good production of LMD because i'm always lacking, but i'm so lost there are so many informations here and i dont really wanna watch 40min long vid on it, pls help all i want is lmd 😭

Is there anything I have to change here ? And are there any pics or website to see the best combination of operators ? I hard proviso and shamare were great so I’m gonna build them for that (as soon as I have LMD….)

[hasty tiger]

No those are setups for a level2 factory

[pallid isle]

First check out https://youtu.be/sBw1UW03crs?si=lfmW2q75HK8EHem6

Convert to 252

Leave a tp at level 2 because you have proviso

Just take it step by step. Take a look at pin 4 for the base guide take a look at factory teams

Shamare tequila team and proviso duo are the best for tp so your good there

[lavish quarry]

Hey guys, can someone help me a little? I was looking in the spreadsheets for the best combos to use on my factories and can't decide with operators to use on my Facs.
Currently I'm using a 252 setup, with 2 lv3 PP and 1 lv3 Fac.
I have 2 elite promotion vouchers for 5*, and I was planning on using it on some operators to boost my production. I also plan on changing one lv 3 fac to lv 2 since I got Proviso. Unfortunately I do not have Fiametta, so I'll need to rotate her, what should I use while she's resting?

[pallid isle]

whatever the highest % duo is

or just do cursed and never have to swap her

without a direct krooster i can't tel you exactly whats best purely for base

check the pin 4 for teams as always. high% 5* off the top of my head. Mr.nothing (makes the entire WP team even possible to start with.) Shamare for tp, tequilla for tp, bryo for gold, aroma for gold, waaifu general 40% worker , all of the knights , feater is 35% exp,

loosely in order of priority

knights are pretty dang expensive though i gotta say if your gonna raise all 3 of them to e2

[lavish quarry]

I am missing Fartooth 🙁

[pallid isle]

pretty sure its still good to use the team iirc

especially if you have viv

[lavish quarry]

I do have Viviana

[pallid isle]

yeah its just a matter of its again gonna get extremely expensive for operators that aren't really meta anymore or even units i generally say are niche enough to raise. but up to you

[lavish quarry]

I almost never use 5 stars, that's why I was planning to use the vouchers on the ones that have base skills

I'll propably use then on the knights and stat using Viv on the CC

Thanks for the help!

[pallid isle]

then your probably looking for something else higher in the list if there not all already raised

shamare even with e0 tequilla works quite well

[lavish quarry]

Shamare and Tequila are E2 already

[pallid isle]

good then

[lavish quarry]

My real problem is what to do on the lv 2 TP while Proviso is sleeping lol

And also on the lv 2 factories

(For exp)

[pallid isle]

its just whatever 2 highest workers you got

[violet wolf]

how does the output of a lv2 TP compare to a lv3 one when accounting for when proviso is resting?

assuming no fiammetta

[wind otter]

say no to false base updates

[strange tapir]

wait im confused, do i just keep all fac at lvl2?

[hasty tiger]

Some people are forced to if they do 2/5/2

Depending on their left side of base

[strange tapir]

my base is basically this

but training at 1

1 tp is lvl2 for proviso

all fac 3

[orchid bane]

You need to upgrade training to fully mastery skills

[strange tapir]

yeah im working on it

i just started

[orchid bane]

Or just leave it like that

For eternal glory

[hasty tiger]

Yeah I think that was written pre-proviso

Or at least the desired layout of lvl2 tp and all lvl3 factory has become the norm with her available

[strange tapir]

so what can i even do now, keep all fac at 3? i dont think i have enough ops to run 3 ops in 5 fac while stagger too

[hasty tiger]

Do what you can. It'll probably be rough early on but as your roster grows it'll become easier

The number 4) in the pins has combos. There is a noob tab going over early accessible options for base

[strange tapir]

yeah im currently following that

can i still do 2 ops each fac

am i losing anything by using 2 ops in lvl3 fac

other than extra bonus from 1 op

[hasty tiger]

Just the extra production. I'm not sure if it's better doing 24/7 2 ops vs 3 ops til tired and rotating a very suboptimal team or something

[strange tapir]

if i run 2 ops each room i can do stagger thing

cus theres no room for all ops in dorm right

if i do 3 and switch them out at a same time

[orchid bane]

After I fully upgrade the new lord Piano girl 100% originally from Arknights . I just realize Quibai have a Lord training skill

Now it is even harder to get Roi from quiubai

[fluid pollen]

It’s only 75% anw

[round lichen]

Irene + Gavialter is better

Also Qiubai doesn’t need “ROI” in base, she’s already meta in IS for her permabind S1 that extends Archetto’s range

[limpid frost]

nine-color deer is unobtainable now, right?

are there any other notable workshop skills besides the basic byproduct rate boosts?

[rigid plume]

No.

Just use Ceylon.

[orchid bane]

I put Surtr before 5hr Irene

Not sure if we have any other m1 m2 guard skill

But I don't have or E2 them

[orchid bane]

In terms of number. These are 100%
Arene Stainless : hard to use
Nian, high morale cost
Horn. Specific mat
Also Blemishine still great with tier 1 to tier 3 cause no LMD cost . already great at E0, better at E2

[peak ledge]

Does anyone know where I can see the base skills of future CN released operators? The website I'm using doesn't have them.

[wind otter]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zYc2JU46X0XWmV7s1503bN4feRdOMa1eehrTQ2jGaiE/edit?pli=1&gid=890953453#gid=890953453

[queen flicker]

🫡

[astral tiger]

damn

what's your gold teams

[astral tiger]

nice

I'm missing 2 lvl 3 facs and waai fu to replicate this

and grey alter for automation

[queen flicker]

i need to adjust the rotations tho. sub teams can be improved i think

[astral tiger]

good luck with that

I'm not really staggering my ops so no clue

[queen flicker]

this is my current base

[inner ocean]

#cn-lounge message
This guy is too lucky with workshop.

[queen flicker]

and with a few upcoming operators i plan on doing this

[round dagger]

Proviso tp lv3... Yikes 😬

[rigid plume]

It's fine.

4-Gold order is basically the same as 2-Gold.

Don't forget about chances to procc 4G

[fluid pollen]

He’s full max left so it’ll always be better.

[orchid bane]

1st day in this event that I can't make shards any longer

Sb save meeeh

https://tenor.com/view/yelling-pouting-crying-anime-sad-gif-18081811

[delicate thistle]

How fast can I convert 7200 rocks if I have a Office & Reception maxed with a lvl.2 Training room?

[modern atlas]

Can I ask, is this guy trustable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QSXcXQ_FV4

[arctic prism]

first instruction he gave was to set up your base as 243 so i wouldnt say he knows full details on what he's talking about

unit recommendations are not bad for a target audience that doesnt care to actually get deeper into base mechanics

[round dagger]

If you don't care about efficiency you might use that

The only good thing on 243 is just easier rotation, you could online less time, like once everyday,

Compared to 252, that give high production efficiency but demand you online like 2-3 times everyday for rotation

[arctic prism]

The target audience for this video is new players, which this is not true for.

if you never leveled up the right side of the base all of your left facilities can stay lv3 so you keep the benefits of lv3 facility caps

dorm levels are not required for rotations that log in once a day

all you do by telling new players to build 243 over 252 is reduce their factory output by ~150% for no reason

[round dagger]

That why should advised to don't upgrade reception and office before you are rich enough

[arctic prism]

before you are rich enough at all
there are zero benefits to upgrading either of these

[round dagger]

Well... They can do whatever they want after they are so rich and don't need more lmd & Exp

[arctic prism]

different end goals for different people

[round dagger]

Seems about right...

[echo jungle]

is this a healthy base

cripple 252

[frank cipher]

too healthy overflow with exp

prob fine if not touch module n max lvl e2 before e2 next op

[echo jungle]

ok

[rose knoll]

<@&586570970345635868>

[rose knoll]

been seeing a few of these sorts of base guides lately

[vital oriole]

after 5 years I still don't have enough lmd and xp , what is this mythical whale stuff you talk of?

[arctic prism]

probably just endfield people trying og ak

[fluid pollen]

[round dagger]

I'm sure you've seen account with stacked lmd and exp

I'm not talking about myself coz I'm poor and never enough lmd exp...

[arctic prism]

yea that's most of the veterans in this channel lol
except even for us we still have effectively unreachable targets or have quit/stopped managing base because they reached their goal

so either you still want best base or you have no need for a base at all

[summer kernel]

XX3 is the real endgame when those diminishing returns on FC and lvl5 dorms for NCD recovery are all you need from the base

iirc that was the final endgame Cho talked about since youll get all your LMD/EXP before you get all your mat needs

[arctic prism]

Lol yea

[pallid isle]

that end game isn't that far off actually

still its quite cursed how many early game guides have 243 💀

[arctic prism]

It's like 5~10 years off for me iirc

[pallid isle]

if i stopped building all the random shit i will NEVER use or use a max of 1 time then its like a year probably tops for me

with all my random crap its like 2 years

[arctic prism]

Oh I meant to max everything lmao

[pallid isle]

oh well true max everything yeah its probably closer to 5ish years

[silent nova]

i'm never maxing everyone

unless they stop adding people

ak eos when so i can finish the game

[rose knoll]

I mean, if you don't level your ops past like E2 30 then sure

Anecdotally, I basically have all the mats I need and am gated by exp/lmd

Haven't updated this since before Ato but still

[pallid isle]

same situation as of current actually

more exp lmd isue then mat issue right now

and that only increases for myself (another personal/anecdotal case but still) if/when i wanna raise to very high levels for specific IS stuff and maybe weird stuff for strange CC strats

[bright jacinth]

do we have comparisons of how much difference is
243 and 252 max right is?
I'm considering switching but I dont know if its worth the hassle

[pallid isle]

max right still is probably from what others said 10% more at least

its less hassle becuase less rotations needed

[rose knoll]

A little thing I'm working on

(Old calcs with low-end base skills only)

[bright jacinth]

ohh only 10% but need to downgrade dorms?
dont I need to rotate more?

[pallid isle]

no you rotate less because your dorms recover less morale

its 2 12 hour rotations

maybe a 3rd extra login if using eunectes weedy purestream (since it caps in 8 hours) if we are talking like bare minimum rotations

https://youtu.be/sBw1UW03crs?si=lfmW2q75HK8EHem6

also this for swapping over quickly

[pale yoke]

how many view on that vid already

[pallid isle]

6K

damn he must be rich from the ad money

[bright jacinth]

can you do two lvl3 fac and downgrade on tp to lvl2?

[pallid isle]

yes if you have proviso do that

[bright jacinth]

so proviso + exu on lvl2
and teq sham bibeak on lvl3
what about fac, how do I split exp and gold?

[pallid isle]

whatever you need more of

generally I run 3 gold since I constantly drone tp and am actually running out of gold i have run out but i am coping by trying to get it back up with 1-7 farming and emergency droning on gold factories

[bright jacinth]

what would be the effect of the dorms being downgraded to lvl1?

[orchid bane]

🔥

[pallid isle]

you have enough power to set up everything and instead of 6 hours recovery time its 12 (without any morale recovery operators)

if you need help with some example rotations gato also has quite a few in pinned google doc

[bright jacinth]

and no other effects outside of morale recovery time
like trust or credits?

[pallid isle]

yeah its a little less trust but its generally not the relevant

i actually don't know the credit differences

its small whatever it is

but idk the exact differences with it

credit value to start with is already pretty small

the most "recent" thing that has helped 252 credits wise was the extra 300 weekly

yes both 243 and 252 get it but the thing is in a 243 scenario they sometimes already over cap credits so giving them even more isn't helping them as much as 252 that generally has less often times where there over capped on credits

[bright jacinth]

yeah and the activity room also helped with the trust downgrade for 252
all we need now is the ability to downgrade right side

[pallid isle]

at the very least you can use sui combo if you have that

[bright jacinth]

no if that requires the limited sui sibling

[orchid bane]

[ember hull]

Ok so am i understanding this right:
A 252 setup ideally runs mlynar (and chongyue to cycle in when mlynar is resting) so lv2 tp can run 3 shifts. Then you fiametta skill on shamare shift 1, on tequila shift 2, on lv2 tp proviso shift 3, so these setups have permanent combo uptime.

[slim yarrow]

What's the current best 252 setup for maximizing the sanity value of LMD and EXP?

I'm assuming some Proviso+Teq stuff for the TPs and classic 3G 2EXP for FACs?

[round lichen]

I found the video that the Cybertron guy was recommending to new players and it’s so bad

Starts off telling people “I’m not great at math, if you want hard math go watch PeterYR” then he immediately launches into why “243 is the best setup”

Like dog… how’re you going to put out a 50 minute “newbie friendly” guide, doing no research, and ignoring the 80-second video from a guy who actually knows what he’s talking about, who YOU YOURSELF RECOMMEND

[fluid pollen]

Slop

[pale yoke]

i should make a vid about why 333 is the ideal setup

[knotty herald]

Ok so after watching that one video about cycling operators

Am I supposed to cycle them manually (after like 12 hours) instead of waiting for the button to appear?

[orchid bane]

Yes

[knotty herald]

I see I see

cuz rn I was like wondering if my Proviso is meant to die during the 2nd cycle

by die i mean have like 4 hours left of energy

[orchid bane]

I guess you are talking about the button when op is out of morale

[knotty herald]

yep yep

[orchid bane]

Her working time in lv2 TP without CC special buff is 34hr

You can get her out and rest her a bit

[ember hull]

Or use mylnar for 3 shift uptime instead

[knotty herald]

Wait am I supposed to have a lvl 2 Tp with proviso?

Rn i have a 252 set up with all left facilities maxed

i dont have mlynar or any good cc operators i believe so im using full alter team

[orchid bane]

Yes

[ember hull]

Yep cos it lets you get 1 more lv3 fac

[knotty herald]

Cuz in the vid I saw of that one channel with a pi symbol

They mentioned in their video abt keeping proviso in a lvl 3 tp cuz it would get stronger

[knotty herald]

Oh, do I need to?

my base is 252 with all at lvl 3

and the rest at lvl 1

except for workshop and TR

[orchid bane]

That is fine I guess

[knotty herald]

Should I downgrade one tp for the sake of proviso becoming more goated?

[ember hull]

Lv3 tp will output more ofc, the thing is lv2 with proviso already is in the ballpark

[knotty herald]

ah aight i thought theres some sort of hidden tech

where proviso cooks harder at a lvl 2 tp

[orchid bane]

The point is lv2 proviso is just slightly worse than lv3, but lv2 fac to lv3 is way better

[knotty herald]

i see i see

[orchid bane]

In your case you can keep lv3 tp

[knotty herald]

Abt CC,

[orchid bane]

But also. You should do this. Get a Tequila. Whenever you put drone in TP. Keep Tequila and Proviso in the same TP. Just when you use drone

Tequila is free OP

[knotty herald]

ohh right

drones

OP?

[orchid bane]

Operator

[knotty herald]

?

oh

anyway:

[ember hull]

The fiametta setups for lv3+lv2 tp 100% uptime is p mind-blowing

[knotty herald]

Should I only keep like 2-3 ppl on CC at all times?

A part of me wonders how do i rest every operator since:

10/20 are taken due to Factory (2 ppl are swapped each cycle and 5 factories)

4/20 taken due to Trading post (2 ppl swapped again each cycle and I have 2 tps)

2/20 are taken due to generator

2/20 in reception room

18/20 dorms

Rn im just using an alter team because it looks stable (cuz no one dies)

[ember hull]

You want full facility to get the MD reduction

[knotty herald]

Not even sure if I should use alter team

I mean i dont have notable CC operators like Mlynar and that one guy who wants silverash

[ember hull]

Amiya, pudding

Then kaltsit is a straight upgrade from pudding

Swire to swap in when amiya is drained

[knotty herald]

yeah no i dont got those

my account isnt too old

yet

[ember hull]

You don't have amiya?

[knotty herald]

i mean

kalstit

and swire

[ember hull]

Amiya and pudding then

Pudding is from red cert

[knotty herald]

So I just run 3 alter operators (hibiscus2, lava2, and Kroos2 + amiya and pudding)?

[ember hull]

Free +7% tp +2% fac

[knotty herald]

or just amiya and pudding

[ember hull]

Sure to extend their life

[knotty herald]

Wont the alter team die if all 5 arent there?

or do you only need 3?

[ember hull]

Yes but they'll last like 2+ days

[knotty herald]

cuz if they DO die,

and there are only 2 spare dorm slots

whadoido

[ember hull]

If you stagger your teams properly there shouldn't be dormslot issues

[knotty herald]

Each cycle on a room, 2 operators are sent to the dorm

[ember hull]

Ok so

[ember hull]

Let's set some ground rules to explain this easier

I'll mention slots

This will be basically the slot in each facility

Every slot will have 3 12hr shifts

Let's say you have 2 lv3 facilities

Each has 3 slots, so 6 slots total

[knotty herald]

and?

[ember hull]

Say you stagger it like this

This means from 2 entire level 3 facilities, only 3 slots are used in dorms per shift

This means assuming you don't use mlynar and fiametta, you'll be sending in only 3-4 teams into the dorms per shift from tp/fac

That's only 9-12 dorm slots

Add power plant and reception room, that's another 1 per shift each, so +2

Now office you don't cycle every shift, but let's say you reserve a slot for it, so another +1

That's max 15 dorm slots, leaving 5 free where you can completely cycle your entire cc out

And you can also stagger your cc btw, so you only send out 2-3 op per shift

[ember hull]

I hope that explains everything

[knotty herald]

Since im running 252

Wouldnt that mean every shift, 15 slots are used in a dorm per shift (for ONLY factory, not counting the 2 TPs which if I do apply this would take 6)?

From the sheets it looks like 3 are being sent to the dorms each shift

[ember hull]

No it means max 15 for your entire fac + tp + rr + office + pp

Don't forget that's 3 slots per shift per 2 facilities

So 3 per shift from tp 1 and tp2 combined, 3 per shift from fac 1 and fac 2 combined, 3 per shift from fac 3 and fac 4 combined, 3 per 2 out of 3 shifts from factory 5, 1 per shift from pp 1 and pp 2 combined, 1 from rr per 2 out of 3 shifts (cos you have rr1 not rr2, so you spend even less slots), 1 from office per 2 out of 3 shifts

Which means 12-15 dorm slots total (more like 10-15 in your case) per shift for ALL facility except cc

In other words, if you're out of dorm slots, your shift planning has something majorly wrong

And this is before you include fiametta shenanigans where you can keep tequila + shamare + proviso on full 100% uptime

[knotty herald]

Im currently looking at the sample sheet you provided:

Im a bit confused here

[ember hull]

Yea then the vermail team spends 1 shift in fac 2

And another team runs fac 2 shift 2 and 3

[knotty herald]

So this is how it will go?

[ember hull]

Yep

This means instead of having to swap 6 dorm slots per shift for these 2 facilities, you only need 3 slots instead

[knotty herald]

ahh I see it

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

Ok ok now i understand

[ember hull]

In general this just means the workers are taking turns taking breaks

[lavish bone]

What are the best combos for TPs, proviso+who for lvl2 tp and shamare, tequila+who?

[ember hull]

Shamare + tequila can be paired with bibeak/kafka/diamante/paprika, proviso is best paired with whoever is your best 1 person tp gain%

[lavish bone]

I use hoederer with wisadel at CC

35 is the best I can come up with I guess

[ember hull]

If you abuse cross-facility combos you can get a lot more

For example mr nothing with fully stacked worldly plight is like 80%

[lavish bone]

I have e2 tequila and e2 proviso, was thinking of using that free 5* e2 ticket on shamare, do I also need e2 for bibeak, kafka etc?

I think I have diamante and paprika

Nooo, I don't have any of them

[knotty herald]

Is it best to go for 3 metal 2 exp or the opposite?

[ember hull]

E2 on the bibeak/kafka/diamante/paprika slot is best but you don't kill the combo by using them e0

[lavish bone]

[ember hull]

Personally i alternate, i go one way, when i keep burning out orders i swap to 3 exp, when my gold bar supply seems to almost dwindle i swap back again

[knotty herald]

ight

[viral mauve]

Has any serious optimization ever been done on logging in once a day btw? I assume its quite simple because speed stops mattering and you just want capacity and a way to ensure you dont end up rotating >20 operators at once.

Not for myself btw, have just been having a 243 v 252 argument again and started realising that they may technically be right that 243 is better with maxed office if you cant be bothered to login twice.

[lavish quarry]

Guys, what numbers of LMD/Battle records/gold are considered good in a maxed right 252 base? I feel like I'm not getting good numbers...

[viral mauve]

I have 30k xp , 115 gold, 66k lmd today

[lavish quarry]

3 gold 2 exp?

[viral mauve]

Before I fixed base I had a giant surplus of xp its still not gone

oh wait brainfart

yes 3 gold 2 xp

thinking before typing hard

to be precise, my lvl 3 facilites are the non-proviso TP, 1/3 gold fac and 1/2 xp fac

[viral mauve]

What are your numbers?

[lavish quarry]

My numbers are a mess bc I am trying to change layouts

I'm on 3 exp lv 2 facs and 2 lv3 gold

[viral mauve]

You're not doing anything horrendously wrong thats for sure

[lavish quarry]

I feel like my exp is kanda low for 3 facs

Pure gold got 91 yesterday bc proviso was resting, so I spent my drones on it

[viral mauve]

One thing to note is I use all my drones on proviso and both my tps are 100% uptime because I use fiametta

[lavish quarry]

I wish I had Fiametta for doing that lol

You spent all your drones on Proviso?

[viral mauve]

yep

idk how this overview works, does it count orders when they finish or when they collect?

[lavish quarry]

It is the number of itens you collected on that day

[viral mauve]

alr I did collect right before yesterdays reset so 66k is a bit of a lowball ig

[summer kernel]

No, it's actually a lot more complicated bc you have to mix capacity with production % numbers to optimize. When you do 12hr shifts, only Orundum Factories and Powerplants used to cap out and so you would just make shifts to maximize the production numbers.

[viral mauve]

oh if you go full cap you dont cap out in 24h?

that makes it a lot more difficult ye

[summer kernel]

There is almost no edge case where 243 beats 252. If you do 24hr+ shifts, your PP will always cap on both but at least you have another capped out factory to collect from.

[viral mauve]

ye but the extra factory has 36 cap

and you lose 18 cap for each lvl 2 fac

so you definitely lose out on cap if you have lvl 3 office

[summer kernel]

If we're talking about "optimization", 24hrs is right in the mix where you have to mix cap with prod numbers I believe. For example, max cap with like Vermiel stuff can be +30ish so there's no way you cap and have to start considering prod numbers too.

[summer kernel]

Again, goes back to its way more complicated when you do 24hr+ bc you bring up good points that you will have to consider and largely no one has done the work for

[viral mauve]

Ye if you still have to consider productivity I can see it gets very complicated so its understandable nobody has done the work

[summer kernel]

It also goes back to, if you don't even log in within 24hrs, you lose sanity generation lol

Especially since the sanity cap used to be much lower

[viral mauve]

ye every 24h is definitely not close to optimal its more about recommendations to casuals

who wont login more anyway

[viral quarry]

Any lowbie Baseknighters looking for friends? Need people to trade clues with

[round lichen]

@viral quarry you could probably check in #trading-post

[gentle hazel]

Hey good day, is the pinned efficient base teams up to date?

[hasty tiger]

It's got ops global doesn't have yet so yes

[dire matrix]

Idk if this is visual bug but morale not going down, ig ill wait and see

Or they just not working

Might be that actually lol

[orchid bane]

No there are nothing wrong there

That is a team for amiya work forever

[arctic prism]

@bright jacinth just an fyi since you were asking about difference between 243 and 252 max right

[fluid pollen]

How much exp does LS-6 provide?

[arctic prism]

10k iirc?

[fluid pollen]

Yep seems to be that way 4 gold 2 yellow.

Hmm…..do I

🙂 maybe during chapter release.

[uncut dome]

Do it

[fluid pollen]

If you say so!

[uncut dome]

+432 LMD!

[fluid pollen]

Incredible value I didn’t consider

[arctic prism]

[wind otter]

base is cool

[dire matrix]

Is shu worth putting in anything?

[simple violet]

My current CC rotation is Hoshi2, Swire, Mlynar, Flametail, Viviana full swap for Yato, Noir Corne, Eunectes, CE, Wis’adel. This gives a large uptime of Hosi’s buff and Mlynar/knights, but Eunectes is only up for a single rotation. Is this optimal, or should I find a way to keep Eunectes active longer?

[round dagger]

To activated the hardest base combo in game, exodia

Just ignore her if you don't have the rest her siblings

[orchid bane]

Iirc if you can manage max WP, shu can reach 38%

Could be better than 35%

[round lichen]

That’s Jieyun

Shu max is 95/3=31

[orchid bane]

Been years since I last use WP

Shu jie jie truly need a partner

[round lichen]

You can get value from Eunectes by putting her in a Fac with Weedy and using Greyy2 during one of the shifts where she’s not in CC. It gives slightly lower productivity than having her in CC, but if your CC is already full then it’s probably better to not try shoving her in

[hasty shadow]

hi are e2 christine or feater worth it to upgrade for base?

[solar tangle]

Uhh guys

Im a 6 week old acc

I need help with my base

I hope u don't mind me airstriking the channel with images

This is what my income looks like rn

I want my lmd to reach 40k daily

My base as of now

And all my ops

If anyone could help me with who I place, my rotations and much more

Cuz I'm kinda overwhelmed

And don't know what I'm doing

Again very sorry if that's too much of Images

[hasty tiger]

Have you used the /baseskills command in #bot-spam to find your e1 base slaves? Or looked at the pins for combos? There is a noob tab

[solar tangle]

No I have not...

[hasty tiger]

Start there then

But also just generally continuing to level your base and fill all slots helps

Having your power plants empty means less drones which means slower making upgrades or not speeding up production for more stuff

[solar tangle]

Hmm

But for that I need to rotate dorms

[hollow hedge]

how are the ave mujica base skills? anyone needs to be e2?

or E1 (but i'll prob at least have everyone at e1)

at least at*

[abstract jacinth]

hey I got a personal operator invitation letter. which of the 4*s would you chose because of their base talent?

[hasty tiger]

Basically any base that you're not just straight losing value needs some kind of like 12ish hour rotations

[hasty tiger]

4* only need e1 for base so I would consider something more oriented to combat in IS for that

[abstract jacinth]

ok thx I'm gonna ask for opinions in help then 😉

[normal lava]

which of the proviso team is the better

[queen flicker]

jaye has higer % but will lose % for each unclaimed order so i think gummy is better if you don't claim orders frecuently

[normal lava]

oh thats cool

[hasty tiger]

You run ines/w somewhere else to make hoe a 40? Don't have sash e2 to run with Jaye if you did that?

[normal lava]

i have ines working in reception time to time, and no i dont have an e2 sash, but I have him benched

[pallid isle]

you can just put W in the workshop

but in fairness this takes up the slot for nian in WP teams

[normal lava]

i dont have W

[pallid isle]

well i sorta realize how conditional all these 40% really are

35 is still solid for players that are new/don't have every piece out there

[hasty tiger]

Sash is still a fine e2 for actual use and he would expand capacity to make Jaye less bad to run in there

But as long as you're keeping hoe as at least a 40

Is your base all level 3 left or do you choose to not run a level2 tp with prov?

[pallid isle]

if your able to do max left then do it

level 3 tp is better then level 2 even with proviso

its just a lot smaller of a increase then a factory upgrade

[normal lava]

@hasty tiger @pallid isle yea lvl.3, but i am not investing mats on sash

[pallid isle]

maybe i misunderstood the question

your not max left so in this scenario its fine to downgarde a tp and upgrade a factory

[normal lava]

but then I wont be able to use these teams, I think

[pallid isle]

do you have fiametta

[normal lava]

nope

[pallid isle]

it shouldn't change anything with this anyway though

i mean in terms of team options

proviso just works with whoever highest% is

and your shamare team can still swap to lapp tex if thats the best you got

[pallid isle]

since your not raising silver ash anyway these are both just single% options that work by themselves

but as stated before jaye requries a lot more mangement

[hasty tiger]

You'd only be downgrading the one tp where prov lives

A level 3 factory > level 3 tp proviso works in

[normal lava]

alr i'll do it ig

[normal lava]

would i lvl.3 an exp factory or metals

[hasty tiger]

Depends on your need.

If you're low/losing gold per day droning prov than maybe gold. Could depend on the teams you have for gold/exp

[normal lava]

well i lowkey want both.. but I suppose exp is okay to target, I think

[hasty tiger]

You can always change it

[normal lava]

I have like 5k pure gold

[hasty tiger]

[normal lava]

thats good?

[hasty tiger]

No lol

[normal lava]

🥀

do I need more?

[hasty tiger]

Gold in inventory is worthless until you make it lmd

[normal lava]

oh

[hasty tiger]

With that in mind maybe make all but one factory into a exp for a while

If you can facilitate the teams

[normal lava]

sorta but thx

[hasty tiger]

You don't have to. Droning prov should slowly drain your gold but definitely make your level 3 factories exp

[hollow hedge]

asking this again just to be sure

[normal lava]

ur gonna e2 sakiko anyways, so just her

the rest are necessarily needed I think

I have a whole band of em for ocntrol center

idk how I feel about it

it seems mid compared to my other control center teams or maybe im under evaluating it

[hollow hedge]

mhm

[pallid isle]

there pretty meh

this is the max we are talking about here

and the best out of all of them is umiri i would say

works at e0 and more refresh speed is decent

4% gold is practically nothing

clue value is mostly meh

and 7% tp well we have so many of those skills take your pick

its good if your new and or if you wanna raise them anyway and lack a lot of the other stronger combos i suppose

but for scenarios like mine there pretty much not in any of my rotations

[orchid bane]

My Umiri kick Knight team out of CC

[pale yoke]

you just hate xp

[round dagger]

Meh but still better compared to unlimited stamina combos that didn't even give bonus production at all

[pallid isle]

i mean rainbow6 isn't much of a bar

but true enough

[orchid bane]

15% fac for 5% TP and 10% HR

Fair enough

[strong summit]

I could use some help here
Someone told me that eventually I will need Training Room to be 3, but idk what to downgrade to make it. Also, I suppose for Texas I will need the Office 3 as well. I can ofc downgrade the Dorms but it's far from enough

[simple violet]

Does this work in a 2-slot factory? Today I'm using her with Purestream and Weedy in a 2-slot. I suppose I can run Purestream without her, if I'm going to run her with Weedy.

I would need to level up Greyy2 though.

[round lichen]

Yes, Purestream can be with anyone except Waai Fu

I usually put Purestream with Aroma while she ramps up, then when Aroma has enough ramp to work in a 2-slot with Waai Fu, I put Purestream with Jieyun. Weedy+Eun and Greyy2 stay in the whole time

[orchid bane]

Prior list
Dorm
1 level of 1 TP (if you have Proviso)
Factory level

[round lichen]

@strong summit Texas is completely irrelevant in a meta with Agents, flagbearers, and strategists. If you just want her for completion’s sake, you can eventually get her from recruitment (vanguard+crowd-control), pick her from the 5-star selector during anniversaries, or choose her to go in the shop during the next Kernel Locating banner

Raising your RR to do the pinboard mission for her is permanent account damage

As Red said, you can free up 20 power by reducing all your dorms to Lv 1. If you have Proviso, downgrade one of your TPs to Lv 2 and have her stay in it. Otherwise, just downgrade one of your FACs to Lv 2. That should give you enough power to make the TR Lv 3

[strong summit]

Duly noted! Thanks

[noble crypt]

after more than a year I've rotated my base

[astral tiger]

ggs, also clear up your activity room side for 10 more drone cap

[glad hill]

Can I ask some questions about the Endfield base set-ups here? I didn't find a proper channel for that in Endfield's discord but I saw some people do that in this place

[astral tiger]

there isn't a dedicated channel for the dijiang there, prob just ask in help

people do talk about endfield here but yeah idk how strict it is

I can help u out with the base if u want

[vagrant blaze]

e4 everyone

[astral tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[fervent pier]

is waii fu e2 worth it or should i go for e2 ptilopsis for factory?

[glad hill]

nvm i got the anwser in the russian channel

[fervent pier]

I'm also going 252 so 2 factories and 3 exp or 2 exp and 3 factories?

[astral tiger]

ptilo is just 25% unless u got the rhine lab squad

waai fu if u got aroma to pair with

[fervent pier]

i dont have that rhine lab

[astral tiger]

lol alr

[astral tiger]

generally it's 3 gold and 2 exp to keep up with proviso droning

but just setup based on your needs

[fervent pier]

i got both of them

[astral tiger]

e2 aroma?

cuz otherwise it's kinda pointless

[fervent pier]

no but i can e1 with the special training drill

but yea i also have to e2 waii fu

so not worth it atm

[astral tiger]

if u were just looking to use the e2 ticket then using it on ptilo is worth it for using her in stages

if u want to prioritize base then use it on a good base op at least

[fervent pier]

im planning to e2 proviso with that ticket

[astral tiger]

best choice

[fervent pier]

ptilopsis i can take to e1

im mainly thinking of doing e1 5*s for base slaves

[astral tiger]

actually idk if it's best choice cuz proviso does have the highest roi

[astral tiger]

5* 2nd passive unlocks at e2

not e1

have u upgraded your 4* for base?

[fervent pier]

yea but at least it brings me a step closer to e2

[fervent pier]

i have spot e1, steward e1

[astral tiger]

sure but you'd rather level them when u can e2 them

otherwise you're just delaying your own progression

[astral tiger]

yeah don't focus on the 5* units yet

[fervent pier]

but i need to e1 some 5*s for special training drill

[astral tiger]

just think of it as a bonus and level the 5* u would use in stage

like ptilo

[fervent pier]

what abt fang alter with fang and kroos?

[astral tiger]

bad combo

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zYc2JU46X0XWmV7s1503bN4feRdOMa1eehrTQ2jGaiE/edit?gid=800801592#gid=800801592

check the noob section in it

since u do want to focus on base

[fervent pier]

so i just e1 whoever I want except from ptilopsis?

[astral tiger]

don't e1 ptilopsis if u don't plan on using her in stages

[fervent pier]

vermeil e1 is a must right? im planning to use vermeil with tragodia and the cat

[willow sonnet]

the cat gets an extra 30% exp buff if trag's there but only at e2

at e0 should work fine maybe cause thats still 20% with vermeil

[silent nova]

Mewgenics reference

[noble crypt]

got so many bars to burn thru..

[hard basin]

Bruh

That's like 5 million lmd

Or 6 million lmd if you use them all with sham-teq-bib team

[orchid bane]

infinity if you use Pepe

[solar tangle]

@vestal sable

Normally the control center has the band girls

But they resting rn ig

My base operators

[vestal sable]

ayt

u can't stream ye? lemme work this out, gimme a bit

[solar tangle]

Ye can't stream sry about that

[solar tangle]

Alr bet, thx alot for helping me here

[vestal sable]

exusiai e0?

i see exu in ur teams but i cant see her in the operator list

[solar tangle]

Yea

Ppl said not to level her

[vestal sable]

yea that's fine, im just doing math and this matters for it

no purestream ye?

[solar tangle]

Alr, again, loads of thanks man for helping me out, i srsly don't know what i was doing

[solar tangle]

Ye not yet, I'm pulling 300 on sa2 banner, so I'll prolly get all the ops I need from there, for now tho I need lmd

[vestal sable]

Power Plants
Greyy + 3 of leizi alter/Indigo/Glaucus/lancet/thrmex (prob include indigo for module trust farm if u ever build her)

Reception Room
Ines Vigil
2 of shirayuki/rope/jackie/may

HR Room
haruka
Ethan/silence alt/aciddrop/orchid/utage (i would do ethan so u can farm trust for his module)

ill remath the other stuff in a bit

[solar tangle]

Ahh alr thx

[solar tangle]

Okay the control center and tadig posts are left rt?

[vestal sable]

and factories

u said u were gonna level the other TP to lv 3 as well yea?

[solar tangle]

By the other options u listed, i can choose between them in presets rt?

[vestal sable]

yea if there's multiple options, they should all be t he same % so any of them work

[solar tangle]

Ppl saying to leave one tp at level 2 for proviso

What would u recommend?

So i level it up or not?

[vestal sable]

either way is fine, if u have better factory workers, u gain more from levelling a factory than u would from levelling a TP

but ur factory workers atm are kinda lackluster as well so im not sure

if ur top prio is lmd over exp then just do both TPs lv 3 yea

[solar tangle]

Also do i have to level any of them?

[vestal sable]

nope all of those include them at what u have currently

if u did level stuff for base, it would be 4* to e1 and it would be more impactful ones like vermeil and bubble

[solar tangle]

Yes, as of now I'm a sucker for lmd, I still have alot of IS to burn through for lmd

[vestal sable]

but u dont have to for now

[solar tangle]

Ahh alr yh

[solar tangle]

Hn

[solar tangle]

Okay good to know

[vestal sable]

TP stuff prob
Proviso + Yato/Mousse/Quartz(for lv 2 tp, change the proviso partner to exusiai + lemuen when u get lv 3)
Yato Mousse Quartz (the other 2 that aren't used with proviso, other one gets added here when this goes to lv 3)

jaye Lappland texas
gummy midnight catapult

@solar tangle

[solar tangle]

Yea im here

[solar tangle]

The jaye and gummy thing is for the non proviso one rt

Also idh texas

[solar tangle]

Proviso exusiai and lemuen, and for the other rotation yato mousse and quartz

Alr

[solar tangle]

So the bottom to lines if for the other trading post right,

Also I am going be getting both posts to e2 as well rt?

[vestal sable]

the top team matters more, the bottom teams are just teams u use in the down time, it doesn't matter which goes where

gimme a sec lemme check for texas replacements

[solar tangle]

Ohh alr, so bottom team is when the top parts are resting

[solar tangle]

Alr

[vestal sable]

jaye silverash +1 prob

[solar tangle]

Plus 1?

Oh alr any productivity enhance or smtg

[vestal sable]

yea im looking at the options sec

[solar tangle]

Hmm

With all of this, how much lmd am I going to be able to squeeze out? Will it hopefully be near 50k a day?

[vestal sable]

idk i dont do the math, i just put them in and see how much i make

[vestal sable]

courier/matterhorn

[solar tangle]

Hmm alr

[solar tangle]

Ohk, so the base is over?

[vestal sable]

factory stuff

[solar tangle]

Do i switch them in right now?

[vestal sable]

xD

u can make the changes i mentioned for now

[solar tangle]

Oh yea lmao

[solar tangle]

Ima do it all at once

Also, control center?

[vestal sable]

ye sec can u make it easy for me

go to ur control center, click on whoever and sort by skills at the top

[solar tangle]

Amiya plus theresa wile rest and band girls when rest

[solar tangle]

Alr, for control center need to just click sort y skills rt?

alr gimme 2 min

@vestal sable

[vestal sable]

the current set up is fine yea, just add the 5th band girl to the other team at lv 5 and add raidian or whoever to the amiya team for now

or lava alter in the last slot if u get her by then

[vestal sable]

can u also sort the first page by rarity, there are some 6* who have usable base skills at e0 but they aren't shown here

@solar tangle quartz needs to be e1 btw forgot to mention, if she's not e1 we'll just move her to the factory for now and use 2 of underflow/melantha/gitano in the 2nd team

[vestal sable]

**TP **
Proviso + Mousse(at lv 3 tp go exusiai + lemuen)
2 of Gitano/Melantha/Underflow ( add mousse here after lv 3)

jaye SA matterhorn/courier
gummy midnight catapult

EXP
Vigna Jessica Vanilla
Totter Fang Kroos

Silence Astgenne Steward
Chestnut Beanstalk Meteor

**Gold **
bryophyta gravel
Cuora Beagle

haze spot
Cardigan Noir Corne

popukar almond
Quartz Yato (yato needs to be lv 30)

@solar tangle changed stuff around cuz ur missing factory workers as well

[solar tangle]

Ahh alr

[solar tangle]

I have the event unlocked, but it's vina victoria event so idk when

[vestal sable]

yea the difference is small so it doesn't matter, use whoever

[solar tangle]

Ahh alr thx

[solar tangle]

Idk undeflow

Or do I have her?

[solar tangle]

Wdym? Which 6 stars do u need?

Those are all the 6 stars I hv lmao

[solar tangle]

I'm a few drones and a few carbon bricks away

[vestal sable]

free from ulpianus event, if u dont have her then just use the other ones mentioned

[vestal sable]

no some like exusiai aren't shown for example

[solar tangle]

Oh alr

[solar tangle]

Wait, what do u want me to do again?

[vestal sable]

just sort ur operators by rarity and show me all of the 6* u have as well

[vestal sable]

cuz the 2nd ss here is by rarity but the first ss is by level so e0lv1 6* aren't in any of the screenshots

[solar tangle]

From the operator tag right?

This is the one

By rarity

[vestal sable]

yea thanks

[solar tangle]

Ahh alr

[solar tangle]

Nah THANK YOU lmao

[vestal sable]

yea nothing important there nvm

should be good for now

[full sparrow]

i need list combination operator for trading post.

it s confusing to reaad them

like degenbreacher

[solar tangle]

Alr so this setup is enough rt?

Thx loads

[vestal sable]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zYc2JU46X0XWmV7s1503bN4feRdOMa1eehrTQ2jGaiE/edit?gid=1812077190#gid=1812077190 have u checked the tp sheet from the pinned spreadsheet

[vestal sable]

the ones i gave u should be enough for now yea

[solar tangle]

Ahh alr thx

[spiral flint]

hi there, recently swapped to 252; since around this time last night i've lost 20 gold bars, i downgraded one of my tps to put proviso in it. rn i have my two lvl3 factories doing exp, should i swap one of them for gold instead to stay even or just drone my gold factories?

[rigid plume]

Start with Gold droning. If it isn't enough, you can... wait, rn you have 3 Factories to gold?

[spiral flint]

two lvl 3 factories producing exp, 1 lvl 2 making exp, and the other two making gold

if i do swap one of my lvl 3s to producing gold i'll prob go get bryophyta, the other team options with similar outputs r inaccessible to me atm

[rigid plume]

Ah, ok

Swap one to Gold if still losing.

Better do it when about 50 bars or less.

[forest bane]

ive been just manually swapping my operators but i think this seems about right

I have 2 level 3 fac (1 gold beanstalk/vermeli/cuora and 1 exp vigna/click/shirayuiki ), 3 level 2 fac (2 exp 1 gold) and level 3 and 2 TP (jaye silver ash orchid, proviso and quartz)

[vestal sable]

just do 3 gold 2 exp if ur running proviso, 2 gold factories won't keep up and u can still keep droning proviso if u do it this way

[spiral flint]

gotcha, thanks guys o7

[tropic karma]

guys 252 is what I should go for right?

it is the most effcient?

[rigid plume]

Yes

Better than 243.

[pale yoke]

[arctic prism]

[oak wedge]

If you don't plan to drone is proviso or a % op better in a lvl 2 tp?

[vestal sable]

if u have the shamare tequila team that should take prio for the lv 3 tp and in that case u would put proviso in the lv 2 one

[oak wedge]

Not exactly what I asked

Basically is proviso +1 or 2 % workers better if no droning

[pallid isle]

forgive me as well if i am not understanding the question but:

Proviso is still best in a level 2 tp in exchange for factory level

Proviso is still better then any other worker no matter what and should always be run it doesn't matter if droning or not

If droning then drone proviso

[arctic prism]

think of proviso as a multiplier to your total tp%
even with no other ops in the tp, she multiplies the base productivity of the tp by x1.55 for lv3 tp or x1.81 for lv2 tp
meaning with just herself in a lv3 tp she's roughly equivalent to a 55% worker, and a 81% worker in a lv2 tp.
any other boosts you apply to the tp is also multiplied by this, making all of your other workers that much more efficient

some more example numbers:

in lv3 tp with proviso and two 30% workers:
total tp% before multiplier = 100% (from tp itself) + 3% (1% per non fatigued worker) + 30% + 30% (worker base skills) = 163%
163% * 1.55 = 253% tp after multiplier
proviso's tp% value = 253 - 163 = 90%

for lv2 tp like what you asked for:
proviso + 30% = 100% + 2% + 30% = 132% tp before multiplier
132% * 1.81 = 239% after multiplier
proviso tp% = 239% - 132% = 107%

in comparison, two 30% workers would just be 100 + 2 + 60 = 162%, compared to 239% with proviso

to begin with though, if you arent planning to use proviso you shouldnt use lv2 tp

increasing drone value for proviso is more like a cherry on top type of thing rather than the main purpose of using her

[vestal sable]

Oh I misread sorry

[oak wedge]

no worries

[oak wedge]

oh I see now, thanks for the breakdown

holy proviso is outputting as much as 3-4 workers

[oak wedge]

I was curious what how effective she was if I were away for a long time. wheter I should use a afk team or still use proviso
but damn

[void hull]

Okay I noticed I'm producing roughly ~40k LMD from base, what is the optimal amount or what should I be aiming for?

[arctic prism]

yea in order for regular % workers to catch up to her in lv 2 tp, your 2 best tp workers need to be like 440% each

[arctic prism]

depends on where you're at in the game
for new players 40k is good

for endgame players with every single relevant unit e2ed it should roughly be ~70k

[void hull]

I'm a returning player, I'm in a weird limbo where I have a lot of older units like shamare but I'm just now working on getting new stuff like I just got Tequila, not sure what other base slaves I should aim for? (My box for reference: https://www.krooster.com/u/abyssalbat)

[modern atlas]

how tf people can go like..... 50 60k per day?

[oak wedge]

Tequila shamare in 1st tp and proviso in 2nd