r-i-i-c

[valid storm]

Rotate your bases, long maintenance soon

[fluid pollen]

Ty I was gonna forget 🛐

[pale yoke]

ping the whole server

[jaunty notch]

wang is either in Gla shift or in TR working

Yu's only 60 for me so he's a godsend

[valid storm]

nah, they are mean, they don't deserve the reminder

[pale yoke]

5 HR glad, a good rotation maint day

[fluid pollen]

Aight if slots then makes sense

[fluid pollen]

Ling Dusk throw CY fr.

[pale yoke]

[fluid pollen]

If only they swapped his condition to work 7% for 252

[inner ocean]

yeah nah

we see the logic

more factories = factory bonus

less factories = TP bonus

against what you want

[pale yoke]

we generate enough lmd thanks to a certain lawyer

i see less value compare to xp

[fluid pollen]

So fac > tp?

Maybe

It saves slots hmms….

[pale yoke]

one can argue "erm acksually i dont raise ops over lv90 but i get every module there is on planet terra"
i say fair

why else i curse PI for

[fluid pollen]

Well now to find out the ramifications of potentially kicking Eun.

[inner ocean]

it only feels so with Hoshitter since 3% x 5 factories = 15%

compared to the usual 7% on TP x2 TP = 14%

and even then there's the consideration that more % on TP is more valuable due to Proviso

[fluid pollen]

The idea is throw 7% tp away for Wang’s Sui slot with 2% fac, otherwise there’s no consideration.

[round dock]

It's something new after 2 years

That said, 10% Factory vs 14% TP is tough

I'm also at a point in this game where I really don't need LMD or EXP tickets

[orchid bane]

Got something kinda urgent to do, so just login to fix a really bad team

[summer kernel]

Oh wow. Actually a good base update. I wonder if this changes anything for 342 vs 252. There's so many good teams for TP that I've always wondered if it was worth swapping to 3TP periodically vs droning TP

[inner ocean]

holy shit i forgot 342 existed. that works for Wang TP 7%

although wouldn't that just be mostly 4 gold

due to how much gold that would burn?

[summer kernel]

Not experienced enough to say but 342 is apparently the play for AO farmers already so Wang 7% TP will def be used outside of inefficient 243s.

I can see a world that stockpiling gold on 252 and switching to 342 to burn can overcome the drone cost but someone should crunch the numbers

[wind otter]

on it! thank you for the reminder!

[orchid bane]

@valid storm I can't read really

[rigid plume]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[valid storm]

wtf

[orchid bane]

This I can

[valid storm]

It's discord recognising the emotes, but not using them

[valid storm]

Okay, the thing is that the message is longer than what the discord apps markdown parser can handle

[valid storm]

check now

[orchid bane]

Looking good

[valid storm]

All I can say is that the discord app is horrible and the developers should learn to code

[rigid plume]

Especially mobile app

It was a period where it was fucking painful to use

🥹

[valid storm]

that's what I was talking about

my message broke their markdown parser and it's a known issue for a year

[orchid bane]

Omg big update

[valid storm]

no more accidental cancel???m

[orchid bane]

Actually that is this part

Tbh I don't remember what this was, but I am sure they also update this

[inner ocean]

ah yes

this fucking update

[orchid bane]

Like . when I accidentally press Cancel . I don't want to press either buttons.

[inner ocean]

make me feel worse about my RR3 investments

[orchid bane]

I find my back button on Android to press

The previous version was that bad. Ngl

[valid storm]

You can have 25 more clue slaves

[inner ocean]

every time they do this shit

I go back to my past self thinking

man....RR3 might be a good investment

more friend cap

[clear pine]

are the new 5 stars worth pulling for base? i ended up getting sakiko on the free 10 pull and idk if its worth going for them

[inner ocean]

easier to get complete set

that decision alone lead me to a factory with 1 less level

how i wonder why they made the Cancel button way smaller

i can imagine a few.....Top Ops accidents

[jaunty notch]

@round lichen@queen flicker Fac stacks lol

Tp from mutsumi doesn't cuz it has highest effect line, but it's 7 anyway

[queen flicker]

thanks

[round lichen]

Ayy new tech

[wind otter]

I'm arknighting so hard right now

[jaunty notch]

dude i totally love doing sakiko uika mutsumi to get +3 gold fac and +5 tp, then adding a hoshi alter swire into get +6% on each gold fac and the same tp buff that doesn't stack

assuming we're 252, that's a total of 18% Gold and 6% XP buff, with a whole 14% TP

FOR ONLY 5 CC SLOTS

also also heavy collaborator use on a useless batch

i love it

[gleaming coral]

Phew

Better try to get the full team

[wind otter]

that's a lot of passion

[gleaming coral]

Indeed

[jaunty notch]

passion to go to bed

[wind otter]

[gleaming coral]

Oh yeah looking at this

[hallow turret]

Is this ideal 2 lv 3 for gold. 2 lv 3 for exp. 1 lv 2 for gold

[gleaming coral]

I don't think this team would last super long in CC

[wind otter]

new ops, new base assistants

[hallow turret]

Hello 😢

[jaunty notch]

no that's the usual time

[hallow turret]

Uh

[inner ocean]

The Mujica drain

[queen flicker]

which one 🤔 (i only have 3 dorms so can't reach 60 passion with full ave mujica team)

[wind otter]

no lmd moment

[urban orchid]

Huh, was the cancel button not red before?

Oh My God! They used slower text generation speed on Outfit Description after buying a skin!

[wind otter]

chill dude, it's just text

[fluid pollen]

another classic collab banner…

[wind otter]

what am I missing here?

[fluid pollen]

That’s the pity counter no

10 pulls till 1 guaranteed Sakiko?

have been seeing that every collab banner.

[wind otter]

endfield rates

I thought yostar did another typo oopsie or something for a second there

[fluid pollen]

[round lichen]

I would say the first one. Also you could get to 40 passion with Uika instead of Nyamu

[queen flicker]

3 dorms

[urban orchid]

Hmmm... Yostar Gacha History hadn't incorporated Mutsumi, Uika, and Saki into it. So it appears to be blank...

[wind otter]

classic yostar

[upper crypt]

cancel button was both bigger and gray (just like recruit button)

they also fixed the text when you press "cancel" and it's no longer confusing as fuck lol

which is really funny

[inner ocean]

I can only imagine the recruitment UI update is for all the accidental cancels

of really valuable tags

like Top Ops

[strange prawn]

Chat how good is mujica squad in base?

[round lichen]

They are mid as a team, Umiri is actually good on her own when you aren’t using Saileach

[peak ledge]

Would anyone be willing to show me the highest profit of a 243 and 153 base setup?

[strange prawn]

lowkey should I turn to 342

to max the right side

[round lichen]

No!!

Why would you willingly do permanent account damage?

You can do 342 just fine without raising right side

[vague tendon]

Hi I'm at the end of my first week and approaching making decisions that might not be reversable in my base; related to these choices

How did you guys think about what version of 252 is right for you?

[sterile osprey]

Is Ave mujica team worth running over Mlynar team and/or Babel team?

[sterile osprey]

Whatever you choose to decide, don't upgrade the office

[vague tendon]

ya I understood that part, but am I just choosing between more store credits and more lmd?

[sterile osprey]

Store credits are negligible, you have enough friend slots to almost always get 300 credits a day from visiting

[pale yoke]

i hate this banner so much i got 6 blue bag 2 orange bag in 90 pulls

[fluid pollen]

Collab banners in general just suck

🥹

[pale yoke]

i was planning to full pot those 5star at least then hit with the chain blue bag

as soon as i get the 2 collab on last bag i bail

worst banner for me so far

[fluid pollen]

Hard barely got any 5* also

[pale yoke]

i got grand total of 5 5star in 90 pulls

[fluid pollen]

I think similar

Marcille was worse tho lowkey

[pale yoke]

2 of them is dupe i already have max pot 3 is collab

i dont remember marci so probably not that bad in comparison for me

[fluid pollen]

I think I threw 300+ pulls on that banner

I have p2 Marcille

[pale yoke]

[fluid pollen]

I think 6* rates were bad too

[pale yoke]

pain in spain

[tame heart]

Are Ave Mujica self sufficient in base like R6S

[fluid pollen]

No

[tame heart]

R6 wont get rest then

rip

[fluid pollen]

I’ll just grab my guaranteed Sakiko

Too lazy to wait a week.

[wind otter]

permanent uptime rainbow team has to be the biggest base trap HG concocted since non-downgradable right side

[fluid pollen]

It’s so bad

[wind otter]

but hey, no one should get between a man and idleness

[fluid pollen]

With the new base presets, you can be lazy and semi-efficient.

[wind otter]

this thing did itself

[fluid pollen]

Pretty much

[jaunty notch]

waiting for uika so i can use a ticket on her

[desert quail]

Go max left for now
Most of us have never known the joy of such a base

[wind otter]

you can always try waiting faster

saw this online and had to check myself to believe it

[orchid bane]

[inner ocean]

yeah i had to double check as well...

i wonder....

would that just be remnants or copies of the same bind UI they used on their other gachas that are ON Steam

still, I don't think it fully confirms anything?

But it is surprising it's there.

[vague tendon]

ok one more question, i opened proviso today and I was wondering (i have 2x TP lvl 3 already) - am I supposed to downgrade it on max left to benefit his base skill or nah?

[desert quail]

If you’re max left there isn’t much else to use the additional power on besides dorms so there’s no need to downgrade yet, you can do it later when you go for the finalized version of your base. As for proviso there are probably more efficient comps in a lv3 TP but since you started a week ago keeping her in the TP is fine methinks

[pale yoke]

wow you can even bind your game to a fruit? technology these days

[wind otter]

[eternal gyro]

Wanted to use E2 ticket to one of them.
Basically all option going to be marginal benefit for my base.
Aroma +5% Gold, Christine quite an increase to EXP but we rarely need it that much, Kestrel has double skill for Cc which is just nice, but not necessary.
Need help on selecting one

[orchid bane]

Christine is kinda for ppl who is lazy to swap fac cause her working time is good but 100% iirc is what you get.
I use Kestrel for a simple reason that I use mlynar + 4 smiley anyway, she is the only one left that does something beside m3 vivi flame
Aroma is best option here. She and waaifu E2 make a 80%++ fac . a little worse if you put them in level 2 fac

This is more personal. I want to use the ticket for defender or supporter since I have a feeling they don't make many opposite class lately

Chips balance

Or ofc guard . but I have many T1 guard

[eternal gyro]

Got it, might use it on Aroma.

But since the increase is relatively negligible, i was also thinking of using it for niche operator for combat.

[waxen geyser]

what is the best ave mujica base combo to use with

[orchid bane]

Idk if I get your question right. But maybe it is pozy team. Ave team can buff gold fac, and 4 gold fac is good for pozy team

[fluid pollen]

Ave gets better the less cc ops you have. Which is to say, it’s not very good.

If you have 1 current CC slot not providing any prod, you can throw Sakiko in for +1% per gold fac, if 2, throw Uika or Mutsumi in, if 3, pit the other one in also, then probs just forget running about the rest bc you defs have fac and tp cc ops.

Stacking passion doesn’t do anything much

Maybe Umiri is just better bc of how bad the passion scaling is.

Probs get more mileage from Umiri solo instead of Sakiko and Vigil in TP. 🥹

[valid storm]

PC client soon, trust me

[neon plover]

hello, whats the best way to make

[fading juniper]

oh boy im gonna need help from the base slaves again soon

[fading juniper]

this genuinely doesnt sound like copium

[valid storm]

Provisio in one TP, Tequila trio in another one, or just do cursed Provisio

[neon plover]

whats provisio?

[valid storm]

The most broken TP slave

[neon plover]

slave?

where is it located?

[valid storm]

we call base workers slaves, because we tend to overwork them

[neon plover]

whats tequila trio?

[hearty sluice]

Training room should be lv3 to unlock m3 upgrade right?

[valid storm]

She's Provisio

[valid storm]

yes

[neon plover]

how do i get her?

[valid storm]

Tequila - Shamare and Kafka/Bibeak, they can give you more LMD for your gold

[valid storm]

Uhh... Pulling on banners and hope

[hearty sluice]

So in 252 formation, all fac lv3, all pp lv3, one tp lv3 and another lv2(have proviso), workshop lv3 and TR lv3. Is this correct?

[neon plover]

i only have tequila

[valid storm]

Sham is in Recruitment

[valid storm]

Seems good to me

[neon plover]

what is she?

[valid storm]

Supporter with Debuff

And I can suggest that you check out the base combo guide (4th link in the pinned link collection)

[neon plover]

okay

[pale yoke]

Ave mujika team pushing knight team into 2nd page is a debuff I didn't expect

[fluid pollen]

Permanent acc dmg

[orchid bane]

Time to reroll

[pale yoke]

[valid storm]

so, should I use the music band in my base?

[orchid bane]

They might be good for new player

[valid storm]

so, Sui team stays

[orchid bane]

4% to all gold fac , 5% to sira( vigil lappland) 7% to TP, 10% HR 10% RR

[valid storm]

Kinda meh

[orchid bane]

Also Urimi alone give 5% to sira part and 10% HR

[valid storm]

And Vigil is in the RR

[orchid bane]

Don't need her band

[valid storm]

and I don't use the Sira team

[orchid bane]

She is quite something

Sira is vigil and laplland only . lol

[orchid bane]

Iirc you are 3 PP. If you upgrade Laios Ines, Sankta then you don't have to use vigil

Maybe lisa, lisamama, they are as good as chen vigil iirc

[valid storm]

I use Ines with Ch'en

[queen flicker]

in my case umiri and sakiko are good filler options for my cc. don't have much else for now, better than nothing

[lunar aurora]

whats the diff between 4 fac and 5 fac

[inner ocean]

one has more factories to produce useful stuff

con is it will be annoying to see your base not "fully upgraded"

[lunar aurora]

oh

[inner ocean]

if you want more goodies

accept the fact that you ain't seeing a complete set of max lvl 3s or dorm lvl 5s

[orchid bane]

153

[lunar aurora]

just trying to copy some base rotations but they only for 5 fac setups

[orchid bane]

You don't have or don't want to upgrade the op I mention above ?

[valid storm]

I haven't touched the Dunmeshi characters, and who tf is Sankta?

[orchid bane]

Old man free in the massed travel

[lunar aurora]

is there any sample setups for 4 factories

[orchid bane]

I just can't remember his name

[valid storm]

oh, I don't like him

Miskapatro or Fia's Grandpa

[orchid bane]

Yes yes

Name too long

How about lisamama ?

[inner ocean]

Miks

just call him Miks

Miksaparato is the full name

[orchid bane]

These 4 letter
Is
Still
.
.
Kinda hard
To be in my brain

Sound like milk

[inner ocean]

then call him that

[valid storm]

I will raise her if we get Suzudaddy

[orchid bane]

Lisa would be sad

[lunar aurora]

who is good in 3rd slots

[valid storm]

She should go to sleep in time then

[inner ocean]

Tragodia

those 4 35% EXP can stagger an entire lvl 3 EXP factory

i mean I prefer you use a weaker stagger ops though

so that one of the 35% gets used in a different EXP factory (unless other EXP factories already have a complete set combo?)

[lunar aurora]

like this?

im looking at a sample but its for 5 fac and updated in 2025 i think

[pale yoke]

xp go brrrr

[lunar aurora]

not sure if its the best rn

[queen flicker]

you can't stagger 4 ops with just 3 presets

[pale yoke]

those are in fact the best

[queen flicker]

conviction there is in all shifts

[lunar aurora]

[pale yoke]

scene team, not so much but still good 3rd option

[queen flicker]

gotta fit a fith operator if you don't want to manually stagger them

[lunar aurora]

what is the updated team for that? running 2xp 2 gold

[pale yoke]

scene dont run gold
but yes mix of gold and xp is optimal

[lunar aurora]

i mean these are my xp factories havent looked at the gold

[pale yoke]

since you want to also utilize the best gold team instead of bringing the 3rd best XP team

[lunar aurora]

just setting up 1 by 1

[pale yoke]

i see

those look good

[lunar aurora]

for the 1st fac i just swap 1 conviction to some random 30%?

[twilit sable]

Could someone give me the tl;dr: Are the Ave Mujica girls good CC workers?

[lunar aurora]

or is there another 30/-0.25

[pale yoke]

best available of course

christine?

[lunar aurora]

miss christine?

[queen flicker]

probably not but depends on what you have

[lunar aurora]

i have her yea

[inner ocean]

CS Feater Conviction
CS Feater Tragodia
CS Tragodia Conviction
Tragodia FEater Conviction

Yeah you can't stagger completely with only 3 presets

thats one of the cons of single ops staggers

[lunar aurora]

i just swap in a 5th op i guess just wanna keep it to the preset

[pale yoke]

use dorothy + silence alter instead of 2 30%

idk if you have them but yea you can find those small duo that work better than single 30

[lunar aurora]

i have them yea

way too many ops now hard to keep track

[pale yoke]

filter the worst one out and you have only a handful to remember

it will get easier

[lunar aurora]

so something like this and tragodia has 1 free shift

is 2 preset enough for this

since they all have md reduction

[inner ocean]

if i was you i'd rather do
CS FEater Conviction x2
Tragodia Doro Silencer

less messes for dorms

[lunar aurora]

ah

[dawn forge]

is the base sheet updated with ave

[lunar aurora]

how does this look 2 xp 2 gold

[dawn forge]

what do yall think
preplanning for Nasti (I'd say preplan but it's just kicking out Ptilo for her)

(red are Fia resets)

[fluid pollen]

Like Zyf’s sheet? It hasn’t been updated since Eblana

[dawn forge]

I meant the combo guide

the phle/acer one

[fluid pollen]

Oh yea it has been since CN release.

[vernal moss]

does anyone know exactly how much extra morale mlynar e2 skill gives per smiley face skill in cc

[hazy bridge]

Is there any base rotation template that's up to date with recent operators?

[fluid pollen]

It’s the same amount as with the smileys mr reduction. So Mlynar himself is 0.05, and each extra smiley is +0.05 as well.

[valid storm]

I tried to redesign the RR, the result is kinda good

[vernal moss]

noice...so if i have 4 other smileys, every op in other facilities will get +0.3 morale in total??

[glad hill]

1. I suggest you replace Scene and Pallas in your fac1 with Tragodia and his cat – the effecta they give are pretty much the same and they all last the same amount of time, unlike Scene, who only works the regular 32 hours and has to be refreshed with Fia to keep up with others
2. Since Waai Fu's base skill nullifies negative self-MD effects of other ops in the fac with her, you can replace Marcille with Aroma (if you have her that is), who gives 37% prod on average but passes out earlier than others due to her skill's self-MD
3. Dorothy, Highmore and Mizuki together give 105% prod
4. Please replace Spot with any other 30≤ % prod general worker, uphold the Spot-hating agenda

How much productivity will my Ebenholz have with only Whisperain, Virtuousa and Iris in my base (so nobody from the PI team in the CC)?

[vernal moss]

wait....waai fu works on the morale of other ops?? not just her own morale??

her skill desc made it sound like it can only work on other op's skills that affect her morale lol

[glad hill]

Idk but when Aroma is with her their MD is equal
It just works

[orchid bane]

For normal CC slot. From even non-CC op. There are already +0.05 each slot
Mlynar give +0.05 each smiley in CC which mean total is +0.5

[vernal moss]

that's pog

[glad hill]

Is Wisadel+Hoshi Alter+Kroos Alter+Lava Alter+Hibi Alter combo in CC is basically the better version of Mlynar+the original R6s?

4 R6s can only make Iana in PR work (not mentioning the Ursus beverage skill cuz its garbage) and Mlynar doesn't use any smiley face skills here anyway, meanwhile Hoshi Alter slightly buffs factories and training speed and Wisadel does the exact same job as Mlynar while ALSO buffing Ines (afaik the best PR worker in general)

[obtuse shell]

Are the ave musica girls a good headquarters team

Im trying to justify the stupid special training drill

[glad hill]

Should I replace Kirara in my Kirara+Pozy+Tyue team with Hoederer? (the team works simultaneously with Ines in PR)

[vital oriole]

if running 4+ gold factories, then decidedly no lmao

[glad hill]

And if it's just 2?

[vital oriole]

then kirara is only providing 20% iirc

[glad hill]

Wait no, darn
Hoshi only adds those 3% if there's also somebody from the LGD in the CC, so the only buff she provides is 5% training speed. She's basically no different from Blaze

Sigh, if only there was an alter with a productivity buff skill in CC

[glad hill]

Man math is hard with this combo

[vital oriole]

I use kirara with the cursed setup so its even more wack for me lol

prov pozy tuye + sham kirar tequila

[glad hill]

lmao, doesn't kirara get tired faster than those 2?

[vital oriole]

yeah, I run 24 on 24 off, because it also needs 4 gold

I alternate between all gold and all xp every 24 hours

[glad hill]

Dude ur nuts

[vital oriole]

you must be new around here

I'm infamous lol

I also still haven't upgraded training room 5 years in lol

[glad hill]

Hold on, is proviso better with poz+tyue or archetto+ebenholz (whisperain in hr and arturia+iris in the dorms)?

[vital oriole]

with the setup I mentioned her tp is +317% productions, with her contributing half of it

pozy and tuye with 4 gold there are +162%

[glad hill]

what about 2 gold factories

[vital oriole]

only like 100% iirc?

which means prov loses like 35% of her bonus

so as a whole drops to like +200%

[glad hill]

hmm

[vital oriole]

thus the cursed setup lol

help that I have every op to play with though

and max left

Not so great about swapping on time these days, but numbers should still be decent

[glad hill]

Oh its cursed alright

Can't really say for sure rn due to a few changes a few days ago that I made to my base but for me it fluctuates somewhere around 47-55k a day

But I don't refresh Provisio. And even then I border on running out of gold at the end of the month even when I'm putting drones into gold production instead of her TP when it's not her shift

[vital oriole]

ah, I drone xp myself

but mostly because its my main bottleneck in my eternal effort of leveling all ops

[glad hill]

I'll only think of leveling up all my ops past E2lvl69 once I have enough monies to level them up to lvl90 all at once (not counting any upcoming ops it's going to require about 50 BILLION)

[vital oriole]

I mean all ops, not just 6*s lol

[glad hill]

So do I

[vital oriole]

gotcha

[glad hill]

Why not not max them out one by one you may ask? Because I run a Lassallean socialist utopia that practices a vulgar definition of equality
So far all ops that I ever e2d are strictly E2lvl69, not more, not less

[vital oriole]

I have everyone at their respective module levels of 40/50/60 barring the ops from the last too events

too much demand lol

[glad hill]

Except for Radian (can't do anything about that) and Muelsyse (I have no idea why and when did she get to lvl90, I swear I never upgraded her past lvl69 nor did I use the max out item)

[vital oriole]

I was everyone at e2 1 for the longest time

while working through e2ing everyone

[glad hill]

Till what anniversary?

[vital oriole]

Looks like 3rd anniversary
#salt-mines message

A bit after 5th to get everyone to module level
#salt-mines message

almost entirely off base production

[glad hill]

Yeesh, how did you get past high-level content? If any at all

[vital oriole]

only thing that was gated was Design of Strife, its S stage required you actually have m3s for the needed skill timings

for everything else e2 1s are enough

[glad hill]

hah..

[wind otter]

I will trust you

[vital oriole]

well, except high difficulty IS

[valid storm]

Good

[wind otter]

wrys, Ame/Euro or Asia?

[vital oriole]

and yes, that's another part of why I'm infamous

[tawny depot]

question, how do i optimize the base with having leveled up all 4 of the right side?

idk bases asides from 252

[vital oriole]

252 still wins even with maxed right side

[tawny depot]

and how should the levels be distributed on the factory thingy?

[vital oriole]

default tends to be a bunch of level 2 factories

though people like to run a level 2 tp nowadays with Prov and a high value single op like Mr nothing

since her value muliplier in a level 2 tp is like 1.85x rather than 1.55x

[tawny depot]

i c, one more thing
how do i know what operators to put in my base things?

[vital oriole]

check their skills and allocate accordingly? I have my own excel sheet for planning shifts

dunno if anyone succeeded at setting up an automated calculator, that a bit of a nightmare task

[tawny depot]

i c, but how do u check their maxed skills without leveling them?
thats my problem

[vital oriole]

pin #4

[tawny depot]

thanks, thats all

[peak badger]

Does anyone use the abyssal hunters combo. I have been, but I forget to switch them every 7.5 hrs

[vital oriole]

too tedious, haven't bothered

[peak badger]

Im gonna have to upgrade 5 stars for base skills...

[vital oriole]

way ahead of you

[wind otter]

use alarm and no need to remember

[tawny depot]

so, got one more question
with mlynar and wisadel in 2 separate presets
do i want to login every 12h to claim, but only rotate every 36h, or what?

[vital oriole]

that is the general practice, yes. Also, offset when certain ops start so that you swap 1/3rd of your workers every 12 hours

very roughly speaking

sometimes it can be over half, sometimes much less

[glad hill]

My TP set-ups are Pozyomka+Tyue+Hoederer (Ines in PR + W either in WS or TR)
and
Archetto+Provisio+Ebenholz (Whisperain in HR and Virtuosa+Iris in the dorms)

Should I switch up Provisio and Hoederer? I need to know who to partner Provisio with so that I can drone her more effectively

And should I even keep Ebenholz in the TP? If he's less than 40% I can replace him with the 2 DP boy

[vital oriole]

yeah, swap in prov, by default she is 50% + half the bonus of the other two ops in her tp, her numbers are monsterous

also will obliterate your gold if you drone her

I don't try myself

[tawny depot]

got it, thanks

[vital oriole]

eben is only really good if you can run him with Ros also in a factory, and you'd be doing it mostly to buff her

[glad hill]

Right, forgot to mention that Ros is working on the same shift as him, my bad

But are the buffs worth it without the Suis in the CC?

[vital oriole]

suis are only +10%, just ros and eben alone make Ros a 40% op

and can only go up from there

ah, was Chong a Ros or mr nothing buffer? i remember him being the latter

[glad hill]

Oh right, Ebenholz also buffs Ros back

[glad hill]

Mr Nothing, he's a WP guy

[vital oriole]

yeah, then just 10%, wouldn't remcommend stacking them on the same phase, its cursed lol

for ling and dusk

[glad hill]

Well then ig it's worth it, even if takes up a few slots in the dorms

Not like I was going to do anything in the CC that would have MD and cause me to do rotations on them

[vital oriole]

do you run the r6s team?

[glad hill]

If my math is right, on his own Eben has 10, Ros also gives him 10, and Arturia + Iris give him 5 each

[glad hill]

I did for the past 4 years but I decided to switch things up a little

More specifically I replaced them with the 3 5* alters, Hoshi Alter and Wisadel

[vital oriole]

makes sense

I've made some slight changes since this pic, but roughly what I run

gold is gold, green xp, each row is 12h

[glad hill]

However, as it turns out, Hoshi is mostly useless in CC, and can be easily substituted with Blaze, or even Ascalon, but the latter doesn't partake in the Alter gimmick

So until we get Beegle Alter who will finally give us a fourth AltOp CC skill, the Alt combo is only possible with 5 AltOps, the most useful of which is Wisadel as she's literally Mlynar minus the smiley faces and also buffs Ines

Through the process of elimination it turns out Wisadel + the original R6s is better cuz the R6s also make Iana the second strongest PR worker right after Ines

So that's 2 buffs in this team vs just one in the alter team (the Hoshi/Blaze buff is very minor and unlike the TP or FAC ones it's only seen once an operator trains, saving them, like, half an hour during a 24 hour training,)

[glad hill]

Hm
Does SA+Swire Alt+Jaye work without Gnosis in CC?

I used SA+Cliff+Jaye but switched it up to the Glassgow team once Vinalter came out, which gives me 115% even without Delphine in CC

[vital oriole]

only if Jaye isn't leveled, was an old technique pre-gnosis. And you have to keep clearing orders to keep his value through the day then

iirc I've since swapped to vina myself

[glad hill]

yeah I remember the e0 jaye strat

but what about swire alter?

[vital oriole]

been too long since I've thought about it, don't know how her or Degen would work out

[glad hill]

Just noticed that Exu+Lemuen+Archetto goes up to 120% lol
Would've been even higher if Exu Alter's skill counted either version of herself

[vital oriole]

yup

[celest mason]

I need help i don't quite understand minimalist base skill...is he independent or need to pair?? and how much he give for max left?

[vital oriole]

terrible for max left, skip him

he's 40% without any other op but requires 3 pp's so

[fluid pollen]

He’s basically HG’s pity for having maxed dorms.

Elo Vinci

[vital oriole]

yo

[round lichen]

Verm Scene Pallas beats Verm Trag Christine after 6 hours. Even if you aren’t going to keep them in there long enough to beat 3x35%, Verm Trag Cat is a stopgap team for insane people who do 6-hour shifts

[round lichen]

I’ve been staring at this for 40 minutes and I still can’t tell who you use Fia on aside from Penance

I bow though, this is some serious evil genius for max left

[vital oriole]

its all Penance

please @hg give us another 50%

or something to buff whisp and mul to 50

[round lichen]

Surely next CNY they will give Liu’er “WP + 5, For every 3 WP, gain +1% HR”

[dull python]

wiki almost gave me a heart attack

hat to double check in the sheet and in game

[fluid pollen]

LOL

[dull python]

anyone knows the wiki discord?

[fluid pollen]

It’s on their main page I think?

[dull python]

ye found it
someone already reported it

[fluid pollen]

Inf gold prod hacks

[vital oriole]

that'd be even crazier than the AH glitch lol

[fluid pollen]

[vital oriole]

is mantra not AH . . .

[fluid pollen]

Nope

No new AH ops

[arctic prism]

new AH unit never

[jaunty notch]

Would be useless for prod anyway

Unless you use em for longer shift

[fluid pollen]

Longer shift yep

[vital oriole]

5 ops at 50% prod for 6h

[jaunty notch]

but you have to put each in each fac

that's the limitation i'm talking about lol

[vital oriole]

You can do 5, its 6+ where you start hitting Gladiia's 90% cap

[round lichen]

Special Comparison Rules will conflict with automation though

[strange prawn]

chat

is proviso worth e2

[round lichen]

So you either have to do it when Weedy is resting, or deal with 90% cap, or let Weedy cancel out a 50% (which would probably be WORSE than 4x40% due to the reduced uptime)

Yes, she’s worth

[strange prawn]

how good is her skill after e2

[round lichen]

At E0 she trades an additional gold bar for +500 LMD on 2-or 3-bar orders. At E2 she trades an additional 2 gold bars for +1000 LMD

[strange prawn]

zamn

uh

best team to pair with her?

I can only put her in 50% efficiency team

or more

[round lichen]

Tuye + Pozy, Mr. Nothing + Eben, Lemuen + Exu

[strange prawn]

I only have lemuen exu combo so

I haven't upgraded lemuen yet

😭

[round lichen]

Whoever the highest productivity workers you have currently. Tons of new players put her with Quartz

[clear pine]

should i use tequilla if i dont have shamare

[hasty tiger]

When the spreadsheet says tuye (only pozy in other tp) is it actually worth displacing sham/tequila/bibeak to do that?

Assuming I run a level 2 and a level 3 trading post

[round lichen]

Assuming you have 2 gold facs and an Amiya-like CC skill active:
Sham-Teq-Bibeak = 138% TP, 47% Gold
Sham-Teq-Pozy = 124% TP, 33.5% Gold

Tuye-Proviso = 178% TP

Who do you currently use with Proviso?

[hasty tiger]

Oh so I'm misinterpreting 'only' as a bit more closed lol

Cycle exu and quartz so that sounds like a distinct upgrade

[round lichen]

Exu-Proviso = 151% TP

Quartz-Proviso = 149% TP

[hasty tiger]

27% diff vs 14% tp/13.5% gold? It sounds... More like a wash that way unless there's more to it than just adding

almost certainly is more to it

[clear pine]

if i put sakiko and amiya in cc do I get buffs to precious metal and tp?

[round lichen]

It just depends how much you value gold

[hasty tiger]

The % gold is just gold use? So more gold out?

or wait. In relation to tequila is more lmd generated for the gold ?

[round lichen]

Tequila gives +500 LMD on 4-bar orders. You can think of this as effectively generating a gold bar and immediately trading it. Bibeak increases the chance of getting 4-bar orders

[fluid pollen]

Yes, Sakiko is counted separately from other CC effects, more relevantly, it would stack with those +2%/+3% fac skills.

[clear pine]

ty

[round lichen]

When you get rid of Bibeak, you will get less free gold, but better overall LMD income

If gold shortages are a bottleneck for your TPs, it would be better to take the Bibeak buff. Otherwise, make the switch

[clear pine]

is tequilla worth using in TP if you don't have shamare or bibeak/substitutes

[round lichen]

When droning, yes

But otherwise no

[hasty tiger]

Thanks for explaining

[round lichen]

@clear pine you deleted your Krooster post?

Be sure to NOT raise Jaye, he is better at E0

E1 Purestream, Frostleaf, Shirayuki, Arene, Roberta, Greyy

E2 Proviso

When you have a decently built account, you can start working on E2s for Aroma, Bryophyta, and Tequila

[clear pine]

oh sorry, i thought i put it in the wrong channel so i deleted it, ty for the advice

https://www.krooster.com/u/alive-honey-raven-24ca

[round lichen]

Happy to help!

[fading juniper]

[gleaming coral]

117% and I don't even have Tecno

I guess it'd be about 120% with Tecno in

[dawn forge]

not raising Jaye can be detrimental to gameplay though
he's pretty cracked at low levels

like sure endgame you won't use him

[round lichen]

At low levels, they have an E2 Lv 80 Lappland, Lv 50 Hoshi2, Lv 50 Silverash, and moderately raised Haruka

Jaye isn’t going to help them clear anything they couldn’t already

[glad hill]

Doesn't the Durin count cap at 4?

[gleaming coral]

Huh

Let me check again

Aye

Caps at 4

[glad hill]

I removed Chestnut cuz I can't stand his ugly face

[orchid bane]

Unless 4 gold fac. Don't use Kirara

She is 30%

[glad hill]

And also my Pozy+Tyue combo works with Provisio

I don't think there are any 2 operator combos that can provide more than 80% prod in TP (not counting the WP team cuz it needs slots in the CC, which are already taken)

[glad hill]

Might as well replace her with Hoederer in a shift with Ines

[orchid bane]

True. Only Pozy and Tuye

[glad hill]

They're also 80

[astral tiger]

lil bro got hacked

[orchid bane]

They can be 85 with 3 gold fac

[glad hill]

Oh right

[orchid bane]

More if 4 gold

[glad hill]

Well I don't have the red thief girl from Pepe's event so I can't have an optimal 3rd gold farm yet

[round lichen]

Narantuya is only good in 243

[gleaming coral]

Man I wanna have Vina

[orchid bane]

Good gold team are
Automation team
Pryo team
Waaifu Aroma
Later we have Nasti

Naran team is worse than them all

[glad hill]

Pryo?

[astral tiger]

Bryophyta

[orchid bane]

[gleaming coral]

Rn my TP rotation is: 1st turn Tequila, Bibeak, Shamare and Pozy, Tuye, random 30%. 2nd turn Proviso, Morgan, Siege with Delphine and Exu, Texas, LappLand

[astral tiger]

bryo thorns2 and gravel team basically

[gleaming coral]

That will change when I get Vina

[glad hill]

Oh right

[glad hill]

Remind me, how much do Vina+Morgan provide? I switched my Glasgow team for Exu+Lemuen+Archetto, who give a flat 120%

[gleaming coral]

With Delphine, 135%

[glad hill]

Amd w/o?

[gleaming coral]

Gotta add both Siege and Vina with Morgan too

It says 100% without Siege

And 135% with

[glad hill]

one sec

[gleaming coral]

Hard to take a good ss with phone

[glad hill]

Checked it myself, it says 115% with just Vina+Siege+Morgan

[glad hill]

Dude download google tables

[gleaming coral]

Takes too long to load

[glad hill]

weird

[gleaming coral]

Idk? Connection issues?

[glad hill]

So basically if you don't have Delphine in CC it's better to switch to Exu+Lemuen+Archetto

[gleaming coral]

It's a good thing that Delphine is also a welfare

[glad hill]

5% dif lol

[glad hill]

If only she was also good on the battlefield...

[gleaming coral]

As if 5* are good

Only a handful amount are decent

And besides, lots of bad field OPs tend to have good base skill too

[vital oriole]

w/ and w/o delp respectively

[orchid bane]

Vina is just 40% for delphine team only

Can be replaced

[gleaming coral]

They joked about how Proviso can burn through your gold reserves

[vital oriole]

she is a tp unto herself

[gleaming coral]

I mean she does make a lot of money but can she actually eat through all the gold?

[vital oriole]

146% will eat a lot

[gleaming coral]

Phew

So that's why people even go for 4 gold fac

[vital oriole]

well, 4 gold it to trigger breakpoints for tuye

so you can get pozy and tuye to 162%

[gleaming coral]

162%?

Is that the highest possible?

[vital oriole]

in terms of raw visible number? nah, that should be pozy tuye mr nothing I think?

mr no would be another +95% with the pull setup for him

not really practical though

prov's numbers are the highest getting the total TP output to ~414%, but its implicit because Prov's bonus comes from playing with order value

in a 3 slot setup she multiplies the value of the tp by 1.55x, and for a 2 slot setup by ~1.9x

@gleaming coral if you want to see pics of the numbers ^

[orchid bane]

And when you need exp just turn all your fac exp. To utilize the time you have Tuye team.
Do use is still better than don't use them at all

[gleaming coral]

Weird, I tried removing Kirara for Exu and then putting her backing again

[vital oriole]

on 5 exp myself right now

[gleaming coral]

Dropped all the way to 72%

[orchid bane]

There are still some bugs here

Just swap their position

[vital oriole]

idk what they did with them but that team is bugged, dependent on add order

can also just put kirara in the other tp

[orchid bane]

But for you right now just don't use her

She is 30%

[vital oriole]

I used tuye before we even had pozy and kirara

[gleaming coral]

Weird

It's supposed to be higher right?

3 gold fac btw

[vital oriole]

ah, you explicitly need 4 gold

and 4 durins

durins can be w/e, even dorms

[gleaming coral]

Oh I see what went wrong

The auto dorm assign kicked Myrtle and Durin out

Man I'm dumb

[vital oriole]

happens

[gleaming coral]

Now that's more like it

Thanks for the hint

[orchid bane]

I don't even use that button

Oh I do. That is arene stainless button

[vital oriole]

unfortunately a lot of the automation ui is jank, yeah

[orchid bane]

[vital oriole]

mind you, kirara is only giving the other tp 5%, but you can feed her to Shamare and not care

[orchid bane]

This make shamere team actual value 85%

For 2 slot

[gleaming coral]

Tbf Myrtle and Durin are always full so the assign kicks them out in favor for not full OPs

It is what it is

And me messing around defo drain 1 morale

[vital oriole]

can potentially put them in locked slots, iirc the auto-dorm setting doesn't touch them

[gleaming coral]

Oh yeah I just checked it out

This team works just like Proviso

Except Proviso only needs other % OPs, nothing more

[vital oriole]

can do a mildly cursed thing an put prov and tequila in the same TP when droning

[gleaming coral]

[round lichen]

@jaunty notch for Taraxacum, do dorms count as facilities? If so, you could put Shu in 1 dorm, Wang in another dorm, then CC, WS, TR gets you to 5 facilities

[jaunty notch]

yeah only excluding assistant and activity rooms

and yes you can do that

but just the idea of it to get the same 40% a lot of other ops could have is like

such a bother

also we're talking about a male op

and I personally prefer less of that

[round lichen]

40%s are plentiful, but it could be useful for max left

[jaunty notch]

i mean in a way he could pair with prov in sui rest shifts

when i sleep i have all 4 suis in different dorms, then some in other places

Added that to the personal thoughts, but overall i never said he's useless

[jaunty notch]

against this personally, I'd just use Kichisei lol

he's most useful for lv2 TP non right side

[glad hill]

Mizuki+Highmore+Fartooth or Mizuki+Highmore+Dorothy?

The spreadsheet says Fartooth gives 5% more, for some reason

[astral tiger]

why fartooth over wild mane?

if by chance the 5% u are referring to is for wild mane then it's cuz of justice knight in pp

[glad hill]

Cuz no JK

[astral tiger]

then it's the same % for them

mane just gets extra 5% cuz of jk

[glad hill]

Hm, maybe I can include JK in the rotation

Muelsussy does make up for the otherwise lost PP %

[fluid pollen]

Wild Mane + JK is the same as Wild Mane + 20%pp btw prod wise.

So JK is largely worthless, main use case is to slow down drone generation.

[orchid bane]

I think many 20% PP need E2. Maybe that can be good point to use JK

[astral tiger]

why would u wanna slow down drone gen?

[orchid bane]

For longer drone cap time

[fluid pollen]

Could be fair

[orchid bane]

Just quick check. Only Greyy1 have 20% at E0

[fluid pollen]

Greyy2 has 23% at e0.

He evolved

[orchid bane]

Man carry gameplay, base , and a light up a dead factory in Dorothy event

[fluid pollen]

[orchid bane]

But nowadays we don't need that much tho. 235 drone cap can keep the best %PP in 243 working for more than 12hr

Not possible when cap was 200

[astral tiger]

I see

[orchid bane]

But if you use 24hr shift that can always be put on the table again

[fluid pollen]

just make sure you aren’t a tp droner.

[glad hill]

what do you think of this dear doktahs

from what i've heard muelsussy doesnt count silencealter for some reason

okay since muelsyse doesnt cover for jk's low drone speed ig there's no need to pair the ps and rt teams

[orchid bane]

Silence2 is an alter, not RL, in base term

[glad hill]

"you are on the rhinetech skill team but we do not grant you the rank of rihnelaber"

[zinc steeple]

Any improvements to be made besides dead lancet e2 greyalt

[glad hill]

okay for the sake of simlicity I separated what I have now and what I want to have in a few months

[glad hill]

okay screw wildmane she's just a regular 30% worker with JK only when I'm trying to do 30+
Even with Mizuki+HM it's only 95%, which is also easily achieved by combining them with Dorothy, who doesn't even need anybody slowing down drone regen, unlike WM

[orchid bane]

You know the opposite of this ?
||Mayer is RL factory but don't have rhintech skill, so Dorothy don't use her skill||

[glad hill]

So if I calced it right, in the future it should be more optimal to have Dorothy+Silence2+Mayer (2 RLs, 30+35+35=100%) in one factory, Ifrit+Muelsussy in PP (1 RL, 15+10+3x4=37% drones, which is almost as good as two 20s) and Mizuki+HM+Nasti in another factory (30+30+25+3x5=105) (if Nasti counts Silence2 as RL that is)

And all of this is still less productive than just the Bryo team minus Thorns2 (110%) and Aroma+Waifu+Minimalist (125% after 10 hours)

[glad hill]

Yeah no
No matter how you spin it, the RL team doesn't go beyond 110%, it's just not worth it if you have better, less co-dependent options lmao

[oak goblet]

is sakiko cc team worth using?

[tawny pine]

is there any E2 5* priority list for base? i know that proviso in top 1 but i already have her

[oak goblet]

is there any worth E2 4* for base skill?

[orchid bane]

Depend on what you have. If you have no good team then they are good

[oak goblet]

i got hoshi2 with swire and alter team

[orchid bane]

4* got their skill at E1. So if you ask that question specifically there are only Caper on my mind

Caper can be good E2 cause she have good RR skill and E2 a RR op help increase speed

[orchid bane]

That is good. You can use ave team as sub

Or use Urimi alone. She don't need her band and can do pretty good

[orchid bane]

Looking for pin in this channel. There are many to cover

[round lichen]

Mayer doesn’t get Dorothy’s buff anyway since she has “Meeboo Production” instead of a “Rhine Tech” skill. While Nasti can theoretically work with either Mizuki+HM or Dorothy, she will almost always prefer to be with Dorothy since there’s not really any other option, while Mizuki has the flexibility to do the BSW team with Vanilla and Jessica

[glad hill]

Unless they release a Mayer Alter (who HASN'T quit RL for plot reasons) with another rhinetech gamma, there's no need for the RL combo and Nasti, as they're all easily replaced with 35% ops

[glad hill]

Yeah ik I included that in my calculations

[frank cipher]

-# im gonna pretend meebo part of rhine lab

[orchid seal]

is the current collab team good for base?

[glad hill]

It's okay
It gives very minor buffs to tp and fac in general and to Lupos in TP (so only Vigil and Lappy)

[round lichen]

I can’t parse this at all. You have 4 Facs, why are there only 6 teams listed? It should be at least 8 if you’re going for a 12-hour alternating plan, or if you plan to stagger the teams it would be helpful to actually show how you plan to do that so we can check if you made any errors.

I assume “the elf” is Marcille, but who is “ew”?? Shouldn’t they be replaced with Snegurochka in the future? Why waste all your CC slots buffing Iana when you already have Senshi in Dorm and could just put Laios in RR for the exact same effect?

I assume the TP shifts on the same row are working concurrently, why do you switch from Proviso and Sham teams trading off to working concurrently? They should already be concurrent, I don’t see any changes that would stop you from doing that now. Why are Hoederer and Ines not scheduled together, Hoederer needs Ines and W (not Wiš’adel) to reach 40%

[glad hill]

Sakiko herself gives+1% to gold and additional few % based on how much PASSION her teammates in CC give her

Uika herself gives a flat 20 and also +0.05 to dorms

Mutsumi also gives 20 and +1% to TPs

Umiri gives 10 Passion, +10% to HR and +5% to Siracusians in TP (so only Virgin and Lappland)

Nyamu gives 10 Passion and +10% to RR

In total they give Sakiko an extra 60 Passion, which results in a whopping... +3% to gold

Very minor bonuses across the base, also the first collab squad with CC-based skills that don't give you negative MD
Probably not worth it

[orchid seal]

ah alr ty, was just wondering bc my current team for control center is currently amiya reed alt wisadel kroos alt mon3tr 😭😭😭 i dont even have hoederer lol only ines

so i was like even an okay control center team would be better

[round lichen]

Definitely can replace Reed2 with Umiri

[glad hill]

I skipped 1 factory specifically cuz it's not a subject to change – it's either Bubble+Vulcan+Ceobe and Tragodia+MC+Vermiel for EXP or Bubble+Vulcan+Bena and Nara+Ceobe+Vermiel for gold (don't have Narantuya yet). I'll have to rotate each, like, once in a blue moon, so I don't have to worry about regularly finding a place for them, most of the time I end up rotating them between other shifts. Basically, I don't need help organising these, so I didn't include this factory slot.

Ew is obviously Eunectes and in my 243 she already plays the role of Snegurochka (30%), so investing in the latter would be a waste of resources

The reason Iana in my RR and not Laios is because I already raised Iana and not Laios Why do I only use R6 in my CC? Because I don't have enough space in my dorms (due to the durins and the PI team) to rotate it, so I prefer teams that can stay there indefinitely. 2 teams can achieve that: the original R6 and the alter team, however the latter uses LavAlter and I need her in the PP (plus the only extra benefit the alter team ends up providing is +5% training speed, so no real difference here)

Thanks for noting that in my table Ines and Hoederer are noted as working separately, in reality they do work on the same shift (and W is assumed to be in the TR)

I must ask, what difference does it make if Shamare and Provisio work concurrently?

[glad hill]

Right, she's the only op in this team that doesn't engage in self-MD shenanigans, meaning that she's the only one who can be used outside of it

Whether her buffs are worth using though...

[thorny forge]

Is there a good, beginner base building guide out there?

[glad hill]

look up father markel

[thorny forge]

Will do ty

[limpid frost]

are there any good alternatives to Tailoring β in the Tequila/Shamare team that aren't locked behind e2?

[hasty tiger]

There are 4 options but all require e2

[glad hill]

E2ing 5*s rn is one of the tasks that you get rewards for anyway sooo

[limpid frost]

i'm close to maxed on that from e2-ing tequila and shamare and raising a couple other operators

[hasty tiger]

I mean, I am pretty sure the spreadsheet says that bibeak can work at e0, so all the alternatives do too

its just better at e2

Bibeak/Paprika/Diamonde/Kafka all choices

[limpid frost]

doesn't shamare already come with a tailoring α equivalent?

so it doesn't really matter who i put in the third slot unless they have tailoring β

[glad hill]

Yeah except her 2nd skill nullifies their direct productivity buffs and gives them all extra 0.25 self MD

[hasty tiger]

Shamares skill means that if the other operators skill says : efficency x then its set to 0. They need to be helping in some other way

[glad hill]

So of you want consistency you're gonna need to use ops with skills that have -0,25 self MD

So basically everyone with a handshake and tailoring alpha

[silent nova]

Allegedly two alphas stack

[glad hill]

updated for visual clarity, now the only things to be "expected" is switching from Haze to Thorns2 and from Dorothy+Mizuki+Highmore to Dorothy+Silence2+Nasti

and if my gold production is going to be this high already, I don't think I'll need the alternate rotation 3 and stick to the same old 2 gold 2 exp

[queen flicker]

are those 12h shifts?

[glad hill]

36ish (note wisadel in CC), meaning that I switch 10-12 operators at a time
Except rotation 3, which I have to do once in a blue moon

[glad hill]

holy crap, rosmontis can go up to 70%?? I need to redo the first two rotations

[vital oriole]

should be able to reach 90% iirc

though that requires a bit of a cursed offset

[pale yoke]

is it worth raising 5star ops for base skill ?

[silent nova]

yeah

chen e4 base skill is kinda goated but i think she's stuck in the factory for me

[pale yoke]

heh is a riic norm at this point

just raise ops so they can work better in base

[forest bane]

worth to upgrade vigil for base if my reception room is already level 3?

[pale yoke]

if you have abundance of xp and lmd laying around and nothing else to do yes

he's a solid 40% TP which is one of the best right now

[forest bane]

just needs e1 right?

or is it e2

ah nvm its e2

might be too expensive

[pale yoke]

E2

yea

[silent nova]

has there been any e1 base skills lately

[craggy horizon]

1st rot

2nd rot

How can I improve?

[round dock]

So Wang is good or Wack?

[arctic prism]

ive legit been leveling all the ops with reasonably okay base skills

instead of focusing on main team

[silent nova]

i have everyone e1 minimum

[arctic prism]

ye me too

was just e3ing the people that have good first skill lmao

and e2 people with good second skill

kinda annoyed with the base skills tho

they really had to give us one of each clue bias skill

when we dont even have enough ops to do proper rotations

zzzzzzzz

[silent nova]

i only have enough units to populate the entire ship

also i don't know if people regain mood if they're assigned

[arctic prism]

i think they kinda just decide to rest when morale hits 0 or smth

[silent nova]

yeah

so if they're not assigned they might not rest or something

idk

i don't have enough units

[arctic prism]

oh if they're not assigned it defaults to rest

[silent nova]

oh coo

[arctic prism]

yea resting seemed to be the same regardless of assigned or not assigned

but i havent paid that much attention either so could be wrong i just assume thats how they would handle it

[jaunty notch]

all ops rest if they're not assigned. once their mood hits 0 they auto rest. Timer also changes to when they're back to full instead of until it hits 0

[arctic prism]

yea thats exactly what my assumptions were too, good to get confirmation lol

[wind otter]

I'm going to drag all those with E0 to battle level 50 enemies and farm their levels oldschool before promoting them to E1, save on LMD and EXP. I don't know the math but I bet I will be profiting on that, even though we have two kinds of EXP. Can't do that now though, still have a lots of content to clear to mindlessly annihilate foes every day, can't wait for content drought.

[past violet]

i know this question has probably been asked already
but is it worth it to use the mujicas for control center? ( I'm gonna e2 them regardless so )

[pallid isle]

only if you lack all other cc options

basically don't use them

[past violet]

this is what i use rn and i use fia to recover mlynar and mon3tr

[past violet]

alr

ty

[pallid isle]

oh well ig in your case

you don't have anything else that boost production over other smilely operators?

[past violet]

uhh

amiya and ascalon?

if those count

idk i never read the base skills

[pallid isle]

remmeber those all don't stack so

[past violet]

is what i have

i can promote a few ops if needed

[past violet]

this and the mujicas they're all e2

[fluid pollen]

Can easily do Hoshi Swire.

[pallid isle]

yeah hoshi is just better

[past violet]

o

welp
guess i gotta build hoshi now

alr ty will do that

[orchid bane]

Mlynar makes your whole base work for longer time, maybe don't swap them out if you can't deal with that.
You can make 2nd rotation wis CE Hoshi2 swire + alter

Wis CE and do pretty much the same as mlynar

Iirc CE don't need E2

[past violet]

who is uh

Who is Ce

CE

[pallid isle]

Civilight eterna

[orchid bane]

Civilight eterna

[past violet]

oh

[pallid isle]

but she does need e2 for the rr bonus

[past violet]

theresa

[pallid isle]

but thats

[fluid pollen]

Just existing is enough for Wis yea

Red is a massive fan of not having to switch out his base.

[past violet]

i haven't played ch14 yet so I don't have theresa

and i don't have wisadel

[orchid bane]

I wtb your account

[past violet]

😭

[fluid pollen]

Hoshi Swire Saki Umiri guys thoughts

[pallid isle]

its fine

thats my thoughts

throw mylnar when you can

[wind otter]

red talking about owning wishadel like you get her from the credit shop

[past violet]

i can speedrun a bit and get theresa in next deadweek

[fluid pollen]

Red hates Wishadele

[pallid isle]

yeah man doesnt everyone just have pot6 wis from credit shop

smh

[fluid pollen]

Smh

[past violet]

idk i thought you had to get her from kernel distinction shop

[wind otter]

oh, I remember, e0 lvl 1 wish

[fluid pollen]

Yea

[pallid isle]

so we do agree that the hr% is better then the tiny little gold%

[orchid bane]

[fluid pollen]

Pretty much yea

What’s + 3% gold total.

[orchid bane]

I am gonna level 2 all other op

[wind otter]

that's gonna cost rocc

[pallid isle]

in this case i should maybe consider umiari when i don't have anything else

[past violet]

ye I'll do that then

[pallid isle]

well actually i swapped ling and chung and let eunectes bite the bullet thats been working for me

but thats my own weird rotation

[past violet]

I'll speedrun and get theresa in next deadweek and throw her in too

[fluid pollen]

No point having Theresa there

[past violet]

oh

[pallid isle]

she doesnt do anything for you

[past violet]

Sad

[fluid pollen]

Just throw Mlynar in and then when Hoshi Swire are down just have Mlynar Mon3tr + 7% tp working also

[past violet]

tbf i can use fia to recover hoshi and swire

so i don't think they'll ever be down

[wind otter]

Proviso

[pallid isle]

you already have better options then "15% rr"

[fluid pollen]

Surely Lee

[pallid isle]

literally lee right there

[past violet]

fia rn handles mlynar mon3tr and proviso at once
it's risky but works somehow

so i can swap mlynar and mon3tr with recovering hoshi and swire

[wind otter]

Fia can handle around 3 recoveries so sounds right

[pallid isle]

you shouldn't be using fia on mylnar

[jaunty notch]

these people be talking like you can't just put proviso on break when they burn sanity

[past violet]

BUT YOUR HONOUR
THE TRADING POST

[pallid isle]

i don't really understand the comment

[jaunty notch]

drone the proviso order when you come in, swap her out with a % and let her rest, put her back in when you're logging out

the whole fiam can't handle teq sham prov if prov is in lv2 is just a numerical theory calc

[wind otter]

proviso doesn't need to be in tp all the time to work her magic

[pallid isle]

oh well yes

[fluid pollen]

[pallid isle]

this is also part of why i am saying don't fia mylnar like

if you use that guy for 3 rotations

your base should surive

[past violet]

huh

[pallid isle]

as long as your swapping roughly every 12 hours even if its off by a little bit

mylnar running for 3 rotations easily makes it work

[past violet]

dw i have no life

i check in once every hour

[pallid isle]

ok even in this scenario

your losing a production worker elsewhere

[past violet]

damn

[jaunty notch]

can you check in every 55m instead

[past violet]

nah not possible

messes up my schedule

[fluid pollen]

LOL

Isok he doesn’t have that good tp workers anw

Surely

[pallid isle]

ok though i suggest proviso purestream and then i suppose bryo if hes e2

[past violet]

errr

[pallid isle]

oh you have shamare teq i somehow missed that then uhhhhhhhh

[fluid pollen]

He didn’t show

[pallid isle]

ok well like also

if your gonna check in so often

you might as well just do the full cursed strat

and you still just fia those other targets

[past violet]

alr boss what's the strat then

[fluid pollen]

Will leave you to it, my base is rip for cursing.

[pallid isle]

proviso skill takes effect when an order ends so the next order is already effected she doesn't need to be in the tp the entire time

so what we do is called "cursed"

we swap her in for the last 5ish minutes or so let the order finish

now we have the proviso boost

and we can run whatever highest% instead of her

similarly goes for tequila

[past violet]

so
exu2 lemuen archeeto?

[pallid isle]

yeah thats what i run sometimes as well

then last 5 minutes swap in tequilla and proviso

let order finsih swap back out to the snipers

[past violet]

damnnn

holdup that's actually smart

[pallid isle]

while you sleep just keep proviso and tequilla on because its still more at that point but other wise yeah thats the general idea

saves your fia refreshes and makes your gold die even faster then it already was to start with

[past violet]

damnnnn

alr tysm I'll do that

[past violet]

I'll have to drone the gold factories to keep up but might be worth it

[pallid isle]

yeah droning gold is still fine

[past violet]

alr then

[jaunty notch]

you can dump drones into either gold or xp and they'll both reduce your gold drain

I personally do like 20% drones into TP just to sync both tp times so i don't have to login that often

like if you drone an order and the other order has like 20-30m I'd drone it too

[past violet]

makes sense i guess

[past violet]

wait how does droning xp reduce gold drain

[wind otter]

if you drone tp = orders come in faster = spend more gold bars

faster

[past violet]

ohh shit right

[wind otter]

those SS-6 polypack drops say "common" but they might as well be guaranteed, every run has yielded one

[pallid isle]

idt i have had a run either without a solid 6/6

i haven't been checking every single one though

but if i have seen 3 runs yield 6/6 then yeah if its not 100% if its very high 90%'s most likely

[wind otter]

so good

[glad hill]

Is there any existing Dorothy or Mizuki combo that can give more than 95% prod?

[pallid isle]

this technically

still used by some people

i use it rarely for 3 gold

this but i personally have never used it

also we are stil waiting on nasti

dorothy silence alt nasti by itself is 101%

[pale yoke]

saaame i level everyone to get their base skill lol
also lifeng have the best CC skill so i picked him on selector too

they have the auto rest system but im staggering now for max profit

[wind otter]

It's so refreshing not having to worry about dorm available slots when resting ops. My Lifeng 3 levels away from battle EXP gain from that E1. Saving my selector for when an offbanner either gives me Last Rite or HellaPog to pick the other with it.

[pale yoke]

that level of efficiency didn't even cross my mind

i just farm xp stage and lv them

[wind otter]

you bring a lvl 0 to a lvl 40 enemy fight and they gain 3 lvl in an instant

[pale yoke]

i should've done that

too late tho

[wind otter]

new ops will come, plenty of opportunities to take advantage of this

[pale yoke]

dirt poor

hit pity both banner

cope get from free singles surely

[wind otter]

we can't win them all, but we can't lose them all

I'm hoarding pretty much all promotion materials except for Surtr which I'm giving all I have as my potential panic button, I'm at Wuling fighting lvl 50 enemies with lvl 25 Endmin, lvl 21 Perlica, lvl 23 Chen and lvl 41 Eyja

[pale yoke]

bruh where you spend your sanity then

for me main gameplay is base so i just spend all my time in base

have as little fight as possible so i just go in and burn all my sanity on xp and lmd

[wind otter]

so far I'm spending all my sanity on LMD, later on I'll have to spend on etching I'm sure

[dawn gate]

5 star medic/defender ops for base?

[pale yoke]

probably not, couldn't think of any 5star def or medic BIS top off my head rn

who you talking about lol

[pale yoke]

the blue stuff too, you want those

get some

[wind otter]

oh, the skill stuff

[dawn gate]

well i decides i should raise some base workers for the ave mujica bp

[wind otter]

Czerny for Sui team maybe

[dawn gate]

and i got a lot of def/med chips

[wind otter]

but you raise ops like that because you want bigger numbers, not because you will get ROI

[dawn gate]

oh

[wind otter]

Ashlock for Knight Team

[dawn gate]

is it

excuse me, im naive