r-i-i-c

[orchid bane]

Dang

[summer kernel]

I think monthly barely has enough assuming no pot carryover.

Is that 4952 raw currency? Did you subtract the bonus from first clear + missions?

[orchid bane]

I think I did them all

Here math

[summer kernel]

Thanks. I was just coping that we messed up the calc bc that seems crazy that you need monthly + all pots to clear

[orchid bane]

7105 is what you need . already get rid of mod 23 and parts

Here is quest

Regular stage and Ex stage

The add I did there is for sanity 1st time clear

Oh wait

I think i don't need to do that for regular stage

Cause 1st time also have token too

354

Still so many tho

[summer kernel]

It's even worse. You remove the normal bc they give tokens but you also have to double the EX stages for the CM. I'm going to trust your 7105

[orchid bane]

Already double ex

[fluid pollen]

Insane

Any rock farming this time red?

[orchid bane]

I need more time

[summer kernel]

Damn, Wrys should have published guide and stopped me from spending the pots

[orchid bane]

[fluid pollen]

[round lichen]

Many are saying this

[orchid bane]

Always just a day before update

it is funny when the post said something like "It is recommend to save your Jar" but she just post it when it is too late

-# ||is Wrys around here ??||

[fluid pollen]

I have pots.

[normal lava]

Should I get Tuya or Bilbeak for base

how is seige+morgan the best proviso team?

or silverash + jaye proviso team

[astral tiger]

get bibeak if u wanna run shamare team, tuye for pozy

[astral tiger]

proviso wants whatever gives the highest %

[normal lava]

im just reading off the spreadsheet, and both morgan and seige provides no base skill

[astral tiger]

brother it's underlined

[normal lava]

i need delphine?! ahggg

where are the teams that dont require an op in cc

[normal dagger]

How good are the ops from cc shop for base

[normal lava]

these are my trade post teams

thinking of getting bilbeak maybe

[normal dagger]

Should I get tuye or bibeak

[astral tiger]

I mean u can if u plan to use fiametta to refresh shamare tequila and proviso, otherwise pointless

[summer kernel]

There's like 3 other ops with Bibeak's skill. Try to avoid getting her if possible. tuye is good with Pozy team.

[normal dagger]

I don't think I have pozy

Yea I don't have her

[astral tiger]

also u need both pozy and kirara for tuye

[summer kernel]

Then Tuye is useless for you. Bibeak is mainly for Shamare's team which is great but Kafka and Paprika can spook you for free

[normal dagger]

I got Kafka from recruitment, don't have paprika

[astral tiger]

and the durin ops

[astral tiger]

u don't need another same type unless you are using fiametta to refresh shamare and tequila

even then u can buy diamante from the red cert shop

[summer kernel]

You only really need Pozy. Pozy Tuye is a pretty good two slot combo.

[normal dagger]

Why do you need those splitters when I can use one straight belt

[normal dagger]

I couldn't decide who I buy from cc shop, is there a "this cc shop op is noob friendly" thing

[summer kernel]

Can you remind me who's in the CC shop?

[normal dagger]

Erato tuye scene bibeak

My rss are at 11k so I don't bother..

[astral tiger]

true ig

you will have 3 of the 5 durin ops anyways

[normal dagger]

I slacced it to do cc

[normal dagger]

Myrtle durin and tuye?

[astral tiger]

myrtle durin chestnut

2 and 4 stars

tecno and minimalist are 5* so u may/may not have

[normal dagger]

I need to farm them in events yet

[summer kernel]

Tuye is the only high end base meta op, if you run Pozy, which is situational since you need 4 Gold FAC.

Scene is commonly used bc she is comfy with tons of -MD buffs so she lasts a long time but she's not that good. Still an upgrade for most people.

Bibeak is for Shamare team but I'd honestly recommend Kafka since you have her. Some people keep Kafka at E0 but it's just some copium gameplay thing that hasn't been relevant since 2021. Others can chime in.

Erato has no relevant skill

[normal dagger]

I e1ed my kafka

[astral tiger]

might aswell e2 then

her base skill isn't improved at e1

[normal dagger]

I'll farm chips this dead weekend

My base does around 40 gold bars and 25k-30k LMD in 24h..

I have like 3k gold in storage

[astral tiger]

💀

[normal lava]

i dont have fiammeta

[astral tiger]

then getting bibeak wont do anything

even if u need a substitute later if u get fia

u can buy diamante from red cert shop

[pale yoke]

new sui new sui new sui

[orchid bane]

@valid storm guess who skin

[pale yoke]

😭 first of a thousand autism

okay with this ling would be the ops with most l2d skin lol

i sense a favortism here

[valid storm]

I have seen it

[winged hollow]

wife material

[pale yoke]

this one gona be so fun for non cn speaker

[orchid bane]

There are W with the same amount of L2D art and more 24 Po skin

[pale yoke]

PC client beta test

we cope

[limpid frost]

Made this spreadsheet to help determine how much factory productivity i need to keep up with my trading posts, do my calculations check out?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gkWM17GhbISQYc2TsQRmCbOOfA7spE2mDCBPeGkpXs8

Also, so far i've been assuming 66.6% uptime per team for shuffling three teams between two factories. If i keep all my best operators on the first two teams, how much can I increase their uptime if i try to keep those teams in for as much as possible?

[open minnow]

Can someone list me the best base and each team in there

[pallid isle]

heavily depends on what you have and how much right side is upgraded. I would say start by checking pin 4 checking out teams and looking at the sample rotations. Gato I would say is a good refrence point since it shows what can be "best" while also having other rotations that are much more reasonable for most people

becuase "best" requires a lot more swapping then standard 2-3 logins in and out

[woven oak]

I've got to ask, whats the normal amount of Pure Gold to have in the depot?

[rigid plume]

100+

You can have more as golden parachute if you want a big decision gap.

[woven oak]

ah, i might have made a mistake

[rigid plume]

[woven oak]

i thought it was a few thousand for some reason

[rigid plume]

Yep

This gap is kinda...

overkill.

You actually wanted to go 5/0 EXP/Gold on Factories that way, lol.

[woven oak]

I now wonder how long I will last with no gold production

[rigid plume]

Even with Proviso
I guess this might hold a year

Or more.

[woven oak]

[hasty tiger]

If I have fia is it worth getting diamante from red cert shop as a second to bibeak?

Right now I just run my sham/tequila/bibeak out of moral and put them back once recovered

[arctic prism]

if you have fiametta it could be worth
otherwise no need

[hasty tiger]

Mostly tempted because the backup team I have isn't anything special. I'll probably just go for it then. Thanks

[arctic prism]

btw tho diamante/bibeak are p much useless without shamare + teq so just something to note
like i wouldnt use them on a backup team without the 2 others

[hasty tiger]

Yeah I understand that part. I've got sham/tequila and it's mostly a matter of like

Is having the backup for bibeak worth the red certs and e2 to keep the team up 24/7

Vs their whole moral with 8 hour break

I guess the e2 cost isn't important. I'll use the ticket from next event.

Oh maybe that's it. I'll see if I can luck into paprika/Kafka on Sakiko banner and if not I'll do diamante

maybe paprika from the last selector was the call but FEater was good

[arctic prism]

[inner ocean]

Dusk's incoming skin looks so cute that I might reconsider who is used in TR (yeah my rotations don't use her in CC)

[bright root]

ok I am trying to get 252 for the base and my last factory can't be level 3

the ponly thing I have level 2 is 1 Trading post

[mental flume]

is it safe to build activity rooms since they don't consume any power?

[orchid bane]

Yes

They are just for trust gain

For fun part, there are more places to set your furnitures and you can move many Operators at a time

[mental flume]

ok, thanks
was curious why it's not mentioned in 252 guide

[orchid bane]

[summer kernel]

What's the ROI on buying and E2ing one of those backup tailoring OPs as opposed to just resting the Sham team? Backup OPs have to have ROIs in the decades

[arctic prism]

Very bad lmao

Likely not within your lifetime

At least thats my guess

I havent touched roi calcs at all so it's just a complete guess

[summer kernel]

I did best case Enforcer calcs and I think I got 16years and he's meta lol. I can't imagine building a nonmeta backup OP lol

My favorite part about investing in the base is that the ROI gets worse and the rotations and calcing become more of a hassle

[orchid bane]

You forget Enforcer for like 1 or 2 hour and it turns bad immediately

[hasty tiger]

This was a consideration for it and why I asked. I'm not using 5* for much else besides base so it's whatever

If I can avoid using red certs that's great but the actual cost of e2 here is... Yes a ''cost" but not something I'm really losing out on anything else

[summer kernel]

I think we all subscribe to this line of thought, since we're active in this channel

I cant wait to shill Umiri starting on the 10th

[fluid pollen]

Can we?

[summer kernel]

I think I linked my schizo "whitepaper"/ Google sheet shilling Umiri here a while ago but essentially if you AO farm, she's worth like 20% production.

She's one of the only operators that adds HR% as opposed to making up for using an inefficient HR op for a team which means she's one of the few, if not only operator, that effectively gives you sanity towards 1-7, if you rock farm

I expect Red to run her. Maybe Fia her if he's crazy enough

[fluid pollen]

[iron sedge]

how good is overlook nothing a

[orchid bane]

What ?

Let me think again if I should use ave team

[summer kernel]

#r-i-i-c message
The relevant bit for you (and other rock farmers) is that you can consider Umiri to give 4.2 sanity towards 1-7 per day, without considering all her other benefits.

I guess the shilling has come early lol

20% at E0 for a CC slot without any complex teams is pretty great but she's even more special bc HR% and RR% are the only factory outputs that can provide material sanity value that isnt the usual LMD and EXP.
10%HR for 4.2 sanity/day towards rocks doesnt seem like a lot but i just looked up my calcs for Enforcer and 10% RR for fc shop is only like 70 sanity per YEAR

[orchid bane]

Urimi doesn't need her band ?

[orchid bane]

+1

[valid storm]

I'll steal it

[orchid bane]

[round lichen]

Cantabile’s E0 RR skill? Not recommended. It’s generally better to generate as many clues as you can and trade with friends. We don’t have good data for how much “increase chance of obtaining specific clue” kinds of skills affect the probability of a given faction, and besides, the credit store never has enough valuable items for increased credit income to actually have a meaningful impact on your account progress. As long as you can buy all the recruitment permits and items with a 75% discount or more, you are getting the vast majority of the value offered by the credit shop.

[summer kernel]

i only considered her solo contributions. based on gato's sheet, the passion synergies are pretty mild

[vernal moss]

idk i been using matsu to get missing clues and it's sped up my clue completion a lot lol. dont have to wait to trade anymore

but then again i've only had him for a short time

[round lichen]

The only clue rate-up skills that seem to reliably get me what I want are the ones that increase the chance with every clue obtained that you don’t want, so like Quercus, Absinthe, Kjera

And even then you might have to go through 3-4 of the wrong clue, at that point it may just be attributing the inevitability of EVENTUALLY getting the clue to “oh this operator is guaranteed to give me the clue I want”

[queen flicker]

first time reaching 130 gold

[viral anchor]

whats the recommended lvl for the training room?

[viral anchor]

wait how do you check that

[orchid bane]

Control center 3rd tab

[orchid bane]

You could leave it low level for more energy till you actually want to mastery 3 a skill

Or just lv3 it now
Soon or later it should be level 3 unless you want to try hard

[wind otter]

the gap between AK and Endfield, daily credits are just enough to buy the items you want the most, meanwhile in Endfield I'm about to throw 281 credits to the trash after buying the whole shop

[vagrant blaze]

you don't refresh?

[wind otter]

you're right, I forgot

[queen flicker]

today i'm going to reroll for gilberta

[wind otter]

madness

[valid storm]

There's no Gilberta

[vagrant blaze]

not yet

[wind otter]

there is only Angelina

[pale yoke]

i got hellagur instead

[wind otter]

that's hellagood|| kill me||

[pale yoke]

my luck been awful in akalter

the more i roll the worst it feels

[queen flicker]

ive been playing a bit and so far electric team was the most fun to play for me

[wind otter]

as intended

[pale yoke]

kms

[valid storm]

that's Hellagay

[wind otter]

imagine if Zyf opens Endfield account just to send Cia clue 7

[valid storm]

I should unlock the clue system there

[wind otter]

dew it

[silent nova]

i think the credit shop is actually the top producer of dijiang

cuz they undertuned the hell out of dijiang

anyways

[valid storm]

but I have to do the main story...

[pale yoke]

surprisingly clue board been quite balance so far, i keep getting different number everytime and able to fill my own board all the time

but we don't have enough people actively trading now

[pale yoke]

ew awful waste of space

[wind otter]

producing high tier EXP takes f'ng forever

[silent nova]

how do i route better

[wind otter]

you cripple yourself if you don't focus on story

[silent nova]

i don't have any more originium to unload from depot

[valid storm]

by moving half of the production into those outposts

[silent nova]

so each grinder can only get 1+1/3+1/9 originium lines

oh my outpost is also full

[valid storm]

could be, but there's only 1 area left in Valley IV that I have to explore and maybe put mines in

[silent nova]

the extra +1/9 is vital it gives me 480 batteries extra a day

[wind otter]

yeah, it's almost like Cantabile is shadow working

[pale yoke]

Oh nyo

gladia going down at the same time as sui

[wind otter]

it's joever

[pale yoke]

how do i even recover from this

[wind otter]

explore harder

[wind otter]

tbh, I've been sending Mon3tr to CC to cover on Gladiia downtime and call it a day

[valid storm]

I'd, but I have to raise one of the outposts to level 2

[pale yoke]

it doesn't happen often but when it does ill just have to bring out doro

[wind otter]

so, is that a problem?

[valid storm]

yes, because they only accept first tier batteries

[wind otter]

Infra-Station?

[valid storm]

yes

the area I need is locked behind their tier 2 quest

[wind otter]

I'd swear you could sell Ferrium from lvl 1

[valid storm]

yes, but I need those

and setting up a battery line there was easy

[wind otter]

I fed ferrium to the depot and sold excess

[jaunty notch]

ferrium parts

[wind otter]

yes

[pale yoke]

don't sell parts

[gleaming coral]

Who should be next after Morgan and Delphine?

[wind otter]

only reason I sold my parts was because I was young and needed the money

[pale yoke]

fair maybe when lv1 outpost i dont even rmb

[pale yoke]

scene verm for exp team but honestly depends if you have enough 35% already or not

[queen flicker]

depends on what you have but start with e1 vermeil team

[pale yoke]

im addicted to base gaming

[wind otter]

I unlocked Recon just hrs ago

what's the issue of selling Ferrium, it isn't like I'm selling Steel which is perma account damage

[pale yoke]

SC battery cost 10 ferium 15 ori sold for 30
HC cost 20 ferium 30 ori sold 70
fer part sell 1 for 1

losing on value is all

steel actually have better value since it's 2 for 3

[wind otter]

but HC needs Sandleaf and that shit you need to farm manually, unless getting the thing becomes easier later on

[pale yoke]

sandleaf can farm itself we can generate infinite of those

you should've unlocked planter early on no?

[rigid plume]

You can infinite cycle it through Seed Making building

The only hard part is just

Reach Plato

And look at the left as soon as you leave the factory

Near Teleport Point

Boom, first sandleaf at your disposal.

[pale yoke]

i played the game for so long without progressing story
i hit lv47 and was wondering why my base progress got bottleneck by sandleaf

[rigid plume]

I just rushed to Neferit

[pale yoke]

i was spending too much time in base early game lol

yea in retrospect should've done that

[rigid plume]

And killed her first try un-nerfed

[pale yoke]

i reached her with lv20 weapon and no equipment on anyone then i was like "wow this boss is hard, i gona go make some gear now just to fight her"

[wind otter]

spoilers people smh

[pale yoke]

came back with full purple gear kicked her in the rear pre nerf too

omg true but i didn't spoil anything

[wind otter]

like a human centipede of sandleaf into the depot?

[pale yoke]

yea

[valid storm]

the snek monolith boss was the one that forced me to do gears and upgrade ops...

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

snek? i don't even know who...eeee?

[rigid plume]

Maybe Neferit?
Tho she looks like Sarkaz imo.

[wind otter]

I had to upgrade gear and buy promo packs for the red dog outside the Hub

[pale yoke]

this is what your future depo would look like, any plant you can auto farm is infinite and free

[rigid plume]

She's basically
Bad Ascalon.

[valid storm]

idk, that purple/pink boss, she slips away as a snek

[rigid plume]

[wind otter]

on it

[pale yoke]

yea yea same, we talking about the same one
i also had to gear up because of her

prior to her literally no need for gear

[valid storm]

and the first time I placed turrets in the wild was when the wolf guy's quest wanted me to go through an area with a miniboss that was strong af

[wind otter]

she took me like 7 tries, her gameplay reminded me of that armored boss in DMC4, the agressive melee attacks not the flashy stuff

[valid storm]

She took me 2 tries

1 failed and 1 where I leveled everyone and gave everyone the best gear I had access tp

[wind otter]

I think it was 4 or 5

[pale yoke]

i was thinking, i didn't sign up for this elden ring fight

[wind otter]

my Surtr at lvl 40 and the rest level 20 and 23

[pale yoke]

wadafa

[valid storm]

all team at level 50, and Endmin had a P2 level 60 Grand Vision

[wind otter]

I am wrong, Surtr lvl 60 and the rest at 40, I need to sleep

[valid storm]

I cleared that boss before realizing that I can raise my exploration level through one of those trials

[wind otter]

that makes it easier or the same

[valid storm]

it makes harder, because your ops will be level locked

[pale yoke]

i was thinking you must be one of those lv1 eldenring speedrunner level player

[wind otter]

but enemies are lowered as well?

[pale yoke]

to be fair the dodge frame is very generous in this game so its not impossible

[wind otter]

I could try it, you just need to learn the pattern and not mess up

and no time limit

[valid storm]

or you could just overlevel

[pale yoke]

i learn the pattern, animation locked get hit once die of cringe

surtr when ult animation lock is insane

i get hit every other second during her ult

[wind otter]

[hearty sluice]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ohry3zj-9clEBE_qiD-IJzKcs8bSZBIkD858ehn3-90/edit?gid=1195647200#gid=1195647200
Should I upgrade these red bordered operators?

[rigid plume]

It said you need their E1 to make them work.

[hearty sluice]

Yea I saw that, just wanted to make sure before I put into the mats

[viral anchor]

Any recommended ops for factory?

[hearty sluice]

Should I E1 myrtle and podenco, for dorm?

[rigid plume]

Probably the worst building skill you could ever find.

Second worst is Training.

But

Fia is the best one you can find for Dorms.

Since she can make one guy work endlessly every day.

The other skills:

1. Requires a slot, which tightens shifts in a more hard way. And makes you login more often just to switch more ops in Dorms.
2. You can wait 12h and all ops in that moment should be already full, which devalues their skills completely, unless they paired with other skills, which is fine by me.

TL;DR - ignore Dorm skills.

Fac and TP should be prioritized more.

[hearty sluice]

All right. Thank you for this advice

[iron sedge]

How do you figure out your best base combinations? it all seems so complicated

[queen flicker]

alright i got angelina. took me 7 rerolls, not that bad

now i drop the game

[fluid pollen]

[hearty sluice]

252 is the usual I think

There's guides in the pins here and in bot spam

[iron sedge]

i mean more who do you put in your facilities

[fluid pollen]

There’s a bunch of base skills, you can look towards pinned link 4.

[rigid plume]

You just going into high Efficiency%.

And maybe some broken skills.

You just refer to the sheet and read from top to bottom, seeking the team with usual big numbers.

If you cannot afford a team, on very bottom there's solo ops with high Efficiency% possible. So you just pick best of them and forget about base.

[hollow tinsel]

[south geyser]

does this mean to literally only have pozy in the other tp? like she's solo without anybody else

[simple violet]

What should I be trying to improve here?

[eternal gyro]

Is there any exception for this "productivity" calculation of Waiifu Skill?

I remember reading somewhere its not compatible with purestream and some other, but cant recall properly

Currently i pair waifu with E1 Almond and E1 Aroma, + any gold worker.

[jaunty notch]

notes in combo doc. Purestream, Automation and AH mostly

[eternal gyro]

Thank you

[queen flicker]

so umiri is 10% hr at e0 and nyamu 5% rr at e0. they seem worth the slots for my cc right. i have basically 2~3 free slots

but i would still need to fit a smile/alter here and there in some shift so they all can work for 3 shifts right

"A base with fully staffed lvl 5 CC has innate -0.25 MD for all facilities." does this apply to the control center itself?

[round lichen]

Yes

[queen flicker]

so without any smileys they can work for 32h

[orchid bane]

Yes

[queen flicker]

how many smiles/shifts would i need for 36 hr?

[orchid bane]

2

[round lichen]

You want 8 morale/12 hours, so below 0.666… morale

You could just ditch Nyamu since extra RR speed isn’t that good, then Hoshi + Krooster will give you what you need

I should specify 0.666… morale consumption/hour

[queen flicker]

oh right hoshi is alter

like this?

mon3tr has smiley skill too so her+another smile. i think with this rotation they always have 0.65 morale consumption/hour

[orchid bane]

Speaking of. So Hoshi2 is the only LGD who want the gang back together will chen3 also want ?

[queen flicker]

done thanks guys

[orchid bane]

No one else to Nyamu place ?

[round lichen]

Not that it matters a ton, since Umiri will need to rest eventually, but I wouldn’t worry too much about staggering them. If you’re dead set on using Nyamu then don’t let us spoil your fun, but I really don’t think she is giving you much value and probably any other op would give better value

[queen flicker]

for the moment i don't have anything better i think. well maybe i could e2 civilight eterna for that amiya shift but thats it

let me check if i have something better

well i have lee but at e0

eventually he could replace nyamu

[round lichen]

Even just Sakiko’s default +1% to gold Facs seems more valuable to me

[queen flicker]

oh

i thought sakiko skill won't work with hoshi/mon3tr

that changes things

[round lichen]

I assumed that they stack since it’s technically not being applied to all factories, so it’s not the same effect. Can’t tell based on Gato’s sheet

[queen flicker]

then yeah sakiko is definetly better than nyamu

can I make her reach 20 passion for 2% tho

i don't think so

well 1% is fine

[round lichen]

If you keep Umiri in all 3 of your Hoshi/Swire shifts, then Sakiko can work with Misumi during the Amiya/Mon3tr shift

[queen flicker]

but wouldn't that mess umiri morale?

[round lichen]

I don’t think so

She works 36 hours whether you stagger or not

[queen flicker]

its 2 shifts with 0.65 m/h and 1 shift with 0.7m/h right?

oh sorry i didn't read the part "if you keep umiri in all 3 of your hoshi shifts"

i thought you only meant replacing the smiley in amiya shift with misumi

[queen flicker]

if i do this, i think umiri can work exactly 36h

so no leeway

[round lichen]

You’re right

7.8 + 7.8 + 8.4 morale

In practice you will want the Hoshi/Swire shifts to be a little longer and the Amiya/Mon3tr shifts shorter, so you might have a minute or two of leeway

[queen flicker]

alright lets settle this. what do you preffer:

if i had 4 dorms i could reach 40 passion in that last sakiko shift with uika instead of nyamu but i only have 3

[jaunty notch]

honestly i never tested, cuz y know if she doesn't have all of them it goes to shit

but yeah sure I'll see if sakiko and mutsumi stack with those normal skills

betting on no

[summer kernel]

Sakiko and Nyamu's contributions are so bad that I think Hoshi2 and Umiri being able to work an extra shift is better

[round lichen]

But Umiri can’t work an extra shift

It’s 3 shifts either way

[summer kernel]

Like if your last row here can be two alters instead of Sakiko and smiley and it gives an extra shift, that would be better

Does 3 shifts of 2 alt+ hoshi2 +Umiri and 1 shift of 3 alt + Hoshi work?

[orchid bane]

You dare challenge my ability to read

I give up

[summer kernel]

Morale wise. I think that's better than using the other band members

[orchid bane]

Oh that is "of"

[summer kernel]

Sorry. Typing on the move

[queen flicker]

atleast umiri seems worth

[summer kernel]

Yes, I personally think Umiri is more valuable than Hoshi2 but that's not conventional wisdom

[orchid bane]

This is 4 shift and hoshi in all the 4 ??

[summer kernel]

No. We're just using his "loop + x1" he established convention here

[queen flicker]

when delphine is out i have 3 free slots otherwise 2

[round lichen]

You’re saying they should remove Delphine? And how would the last shift help at all, 3 alters + Hoshi and Swire means no Umiri anyway

[summer kernel]

Oh lmao. I thought delph was an alt. I'm blind 🦯

[queen flicker]

well lets wait for gato test results anyway

when snegurochka arrives i'll try to fit eunectes in cc

[queen flicker]

so maybe i'll settle with this with sakiko being nyamu if her skill doesn't quite work with mon3tr and eventually replace that slot with eun, thanks for the help guys

[orchid bane]

Urumi Sail and Whisperain not work right ?

[summer kernel]

Yeah top is probably better than bottom and then you prob run Eun instead of your last alter and have a full contributing CC. Usually that works out better than smilies extending the main shift unless you have Mlynar, who can make the rest of the base work another shift too

[summer kernel]

Yeah, Gato tested for that

[queen flicker]

mlynar would help me a lot mainly so greyy alter can do 3 shifts

[summer kernel]

Red, are you going to run Umiri? Are you convinced by the free sanity for 1-7

[orchid bane]

Maybe maybe

I have this shift maybe gonna give up vivi flame for Hoshi Urimi

My vivi flame here is consider 27% fac. So change to 12% + urimi

Maybe not so bad

[summer kernel]

Is this a <8hr shift? Gladiia shifts are so scary. I think I've lost more productivity trying Gladiia shifts than if I just ran 30%s.

[orchid bane]

Don't ask this. I don't want to answer

[summer kernel]

Your max right, correct? You can run Vigil for 45TP with Umiri

[orchid bane]

Yea Vigil is in this shift

If I have not E1 Jaye, Jaye E0 team can be in this shift as well

For lappland +5

Dang it. The more I think about it

[astral tiger]

what ops do y'all use for ao

this low cap is frying me, gotta switch before sleeping

[orchid bane]

Just use any OP that is not Proviso , Shamere team, Pepe is good

Use cap OP if you want to sleep tight

[astral tiger]

I meant just for factory lol

does the bubble team have enough cap to sustain at least 10hrs?

[orchid bane]

The AO op is pretty straight forward

[astral tiger]

otherwise I don't wanna upgrade vulcan

[orchid bane]

There are chestnut and some 35%

Or else just regular cap op

[orchid bane]

Should be

That team have a ton of cap

[astral tiger]

Only the cap is the problem for me tbh

have the ao ops

[orchid bane]

Maybe chestnut and vulcan bubble

That is kinda good enough

[astral tiger]

guess ima do some math to see if it works out

don't wanna upg vulcan otherwise cuz kinda broke rn

750k lmd

[orchid bane]

Look. Am sure they are 12hr +

[astral tiger]

That works then

thank you

[orchid bane]

[orchid bane]

I know I don't have to do this, but just for fun then

[astral tiger]

🙏🙏

that's great

thanks a bunch

[hearty sluice]

For 5 factories, 2 exp, 2 gold and what the last one should be?

[orchid bane]

Whatever you need

[hearty sluice]

I saw something about proviso need lot more golds, so gold as 3rd?

[orchid bane]

Maybe 1st you should go for whatever your Op baseskill orient

[orchid bane]

Yes

[hearty sluice]

I don't have anyone specialized, to make those

[orchid bane]

If you don't have Proviso you could stack your gold till you have her

[hearty sluice]

I have her

[orchid bane]

For starter there are many 30% 35% exp

[hearty sluice]

So, vermeil should make gold?

But I only have click to pair with her for gold

[orchid bane]

Yes. Scene and ceobe or pallas is her best partner

[orchid bane]

You could find bryo for gold

Free in summer event after Tequila

[hearty sluice]

So bryo with 2 gold workers, vermeil with noir and cuora. And a 3rd general workers, that should be do for gold factories?

[orchid bane]

Yes that is good if you are after 3 gold

[hearty sluice]

I mean I'm not after it,but I don't know any better

[jaunty notch]

check pin link 4 for combos

you can make your 5th fac Xp as well, but you have to drone either xp or gold if you have low gold stock

[weak moon]

best video for learning about base orundum?

[orchid bane]

I think there aren't many things to talk about it

You stack enough LMD, rock or device
Change a fac to shard
Change a TP to Orun order
There are chestnut and some 35% for fac
Fac and TP cap fast so if you don't login more frequently maybe 6hr better put some cap op

Don't use shamere team and Proviso in that TP

I guess that is all ?

[weak moon]

oh dam alr

saying goodbye to my pookie proviso? aintnoway

[orchid bane]

Um no ?. That is not recommended

There should always be a TP that use Proviso if you have her

The other TP do orun

[weak moon]

ahh right

[orchid bane]

Oh and don't use gold exp OP for shards fac

Noone make that kind of mistake. Right ?

[jaunty notch]

pin link 8

[hearty sluice]

Shard?

[orchid bane]

It is the thing made from rock and lmd (and time) to trade for

[hearty sluice]

What the! Free premium currency!

Btw, all 5 factories lv3, correct?

[orchid bane]

For 153. That is the case
For 252. Depend on your right size HR RR level

[hearty sluice]

This is the current situation

[orchid bane]

Power plant lv3.
Then trading post if

• No Proviso 3 - 3
• have Proviso lvl 2 - 3
  About the training room (bottom right) . it makes a skill stronger. So there are 2 choices for you here:
• Dont upgrade it or just upgrade it lv1 or 2
  Save the rest of the power for more lv3 fac until you actually want to mastery a skill
• Just fully upgrade it. You don't have to do anything later
  I am not sure about the last dorm, some need it, some don't

@valid storm can I have store calculate for ave event

[valid storm]

What part of the calcs you need?

[orchid bane]

Things like can f2p clear

I asked for this in previous events

[valid storm]

So, this?

[orchid bane]

Yes

Thank you

[orchid bane]

Oh so there are 1500 login bonus ?

That is kinda new here right ? Normally 2 weeks event don't have this ?

[valid storm]

It's a collab

and there's 2 welfares

that's why we get extra 1500

[orchid bane]

Yea I tried calculate here. Thought f2p can't clear

[orchid bane]

Like we don't have this login bonus in Dungeon meshi or R6S iirc

[orchid bane]

You did this ?

[valid storm]

yes

[orchid bane]

There are some mistake I would like to point out. Unlike EX stage. Normal stage also give token on 1st clear

So you could add 117 more in final

[valid storm]

it's already in

check the first clear sum

[orchid bane]

Lol

What

What else in there

Oh wait wait

I see where is it

[valid storm]

You added the first clear bonuses twice

[orchid bane]

Yes yes. I see

So dumb

@summer kernel there are 1500 daily bonus so f2p safe

[valid storm]

You will have to skip the / / and to gain the full daily bonus, clear SS-8

[orchid bane]

I know you calculate this from worst case

Think f2p can get even more part if best case

There are even 4hr maint but you just start from 0. All player should log in with at least 40 san no ?

[valid storm]

500 sanity worth of potions or level up refill is all you need

[valid storm]

I calculated from start, because the maintenance doesn't always mean that there's a start

[orchid bane]

Well f2p can also save 124 more annihilation

[valid storm]

yes, but that's not how I made the spreadsheet

[orchid bane]

Yea. I know you make it worst case

I just say f2p can carefully save some more san here and there

[valid storm]

yeah, and they can carry over this week's potions, which is another 240 sanity

and maybe get the potions from the last week for another 240

[orchid bane]

[valid storm]

You will have a whole Monday to clear the weekly quests

[orchid bane]

You just answer lol

[valid storm]

So, event starts on Tuesday and ends on a Tuesday reset

[orchid bane]

I know it is possible to take 2 potions in monday

[valid storm]

my calculations only adds the potions from the first two weeks, and nothing from the week that's Monday only

[orchid bane]

Did it some time

But even worse case. They want to roll more. So -124 more

[valid storm]

Theoretically F2P can clear the shop, because we have 480 sanity from potions that's not in the calcs and then the second anni done after the event

[orchid bane]

180 more from saving at the start of event

[valid storm]

180?

You can carry over 240 worth of potions

[orchid bane]

The san cap

[valid storm]

oh, right

[orchid bane]

You start at 0. But ppl can bring 180

[valid storm]

yeah

[summer kernel]

Nice. Is that directly in the mail?

[cinder lotus]

I feel like i should finally take base building more seriously since i hit Control Center 5.0.

Here's my layout. Any tips to be the most pog afk base?

[round lichen]

@cinder lotus Destroy a PP, rebuild it as a Fac. If you have Proviso, downgrade a TP to Lv 2 and put her in. Otherwise, leave the new Fac at Lv 2. If you’re so afk that you only login once a day, consider using cap-boosting teams like Vermeil and Bubble in your FACs. If you login at least twice a day, you can use Zyf’s rotation planner from pinned link 5 to figure out how you want to rotate your base

[pallid isle]

level 1 rr and level 1 office

optimal base yay

[orchid bane]

Well I just know that there are. Can't tell if it is mail things or daily login things

[round lichen]

There’s an interactable furniture in RR that you can use to change it

[gleaming coral]

So E1 Jaye would require regular logins, no?

Cuz he just reduces trading cap

[orchid bane]

No

It is the E0 version

Jaye 2nd skill make up for that

[orchid bane]

He -cap per % from other. Not overtime

That is his E1

-# ||E0 Jaye + cursed is one of the most strongest TP in this game ||

[knotty herald]

Ok so should I always slot 3 operators in my TPs/Factories/CC?

Kinda not sure how I can do that if only 20 operators can rest with dorms

[gleaming coral]

Elaborate

And yes you want the TPs/Factories/CC to work 24/7

[knotty herald]

if I do slot 3/3 operators on each facility, not everyone will be able to rest in a dorm?

[orchid bane]

Search "How to rotate your base" peterYR video

[valid storm]

yes, you will get it in 5 different mails, 1 mail per day

[hallow turret]

This chat look empty hm hello? Anyone there

Last message 2h ago 💀

[rigid plume]

Do you have a question about base or you just want to yap?

Yapping is usually #arknights or #off-topic stuff.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1449698391549284402/leizap.gif

[hallow turret]

I went to help and they answered :p

[fluid pollen]

Uh well we’re much less active then help.

But if you leave a msg you might get a reply in a few mins-hrs depending on what it is.

[queen flicker]

did you find out?

[jaunty notch]

game's out tomorrow my guy

[queen flicker]

maybe you play on cn idk

[twilit sable]

Is this good or bad base management?

[round lichen]

Looks very good to me. Only potential issue is if you’re bottlenecked by gold. But I’m max right, maybe someone who knows more about max left would be a better judge

[orchid bane]

Feel like you need more exp

Even if you upgrade all your module block. Still think more exp is better

[round lichen]

If you don’t push ops to Lv 90 it’s a fine amount of XP, though usually you switch between 4 gpl giving gold surplus and 2 gpl to burn through the stockpile

And when using 2 gpl you make back the xp deficit without reducing your steady LMD gain. But if this person is relying on Pozy Tuye to make so much LMD then switching to 2 gpl will be difficult

[orchid bane]

Iirc from e0 to e2lv1 and e0 to e2lv90 the ratio of lmd/exp goes down right ?

[round lichen]

You need dramatically less XP even if you stop at Lv 60. The last 30 levels are huge XP-sinks

[queen flicker]

thats an impressive amount of lmd

[simple violet]

So I've been running Vulpisfoglia and Suzuran, alternating with Ines and Cantible, mostly because it's brain dead. But I feel like there must be a better option?

[orchid bane]

If you have Fiam and Sanka (free from Mass travel) swap Cantible out

[wind otter]

who da hell is sanka

[simple violet]

I use Fiam to keep my TPs perma-working. Why would I want to put her in the RR?

[orchid bane]

Her gramp. Sankta something

[wind otter]

miksaparato

dammit red

[orchid bane]

Work in RR

[wind otter]

he has a simple name, rolls out of the tongue

[orchid bane]

No I can't read

This must be something like Durin

[wind otter]

[jaunty notch]

Miksaparato is a 30% RR when Fiam is in DORMs. You can check the RR tab for more info

needs e2 though

[wind otter]

wait, Ave Mujica side event is one where you need to promote 5 stars to get the rewards?

[orchid bane]

Where is that weird info ?

[wind otter]

https://prts.wiki/w/梦城堡模拟训练

milestones clear requirements

[orchid bane]

I think there will be just some extra LMD for this mission. Daily mission is enough?

-# ||Poor those who have max out everything. They will lose some LMD||

-# ||oh wait there are new 5* ||

[wind otter]

There are two options, Yostar went out of their way to get into the CN patch, edit and change the nature of an event to simplify and make it easier for the Global playerbase to get the side event rewards... or Yostar was lazy enough to copypaste default template text event description ignoring the different nature of this event and how to get the rewards. Which one do you think is more likely?

[orchid bane]

I don't get the 2nd part you are talking about. But I think they just leave this as is

[wind otter]

there is a third option now that I think about it, Yostar considers E2ing a 5 star a daily task

oh yeah, new CN op base skills today

[fluid pollen]

Okay tho

Can we take this opportunity to shill raising 5*s for base upgrades

[wind otter]

unless you raised them already

I'm going to promote the whole Ave Mujica gang, but if the milestones require going over 4 x five stars to get all the rewards I will start sweating

[jaunty notch]

Wdym that’s the exact amount

Just leave sakiko last

[wind otter]

It's 4 you need? sweet

[fluid pollen]

Yep

[orchid bane]

Oh btw does Wang skill stack with kal-like or amiya-like skill ?

[fluid pollen]

No idea but err seeing an actual 243 centric skill doesn’t feel good.

[wind otter]

let me test it brb

[orchid bane]

But I don't think so. Maybe he bring almost nothing new here

Just a fun to read skill like Silver Ash2 I think ?

[fluid pollen]

If he didn’t have that condition he’d be much better…

Oh actually nvm

It was cooked

[silent nova]

bro is just kal or amiya but with a condition

[fluid pollen]

Yep only fun to read

Even if he was both it does nth much.

[wind otter]

woah, arknights pc client has keys for skill activation, no need to use mouse click twice

can't wait for it not to come to global

[orchid bane]

For some reasons. I think the mine is getting further and further aways from me

I am so dead

[wind otter]

what do you mean, no time to farm 1-7

[orchid bane]

[wind otter]

Ch'en3 broken af

[fluid pollen]

Just farm rocks with op.

[round lichen]

Ho ho ho

[wind otter]

the plot thickens

[inner ocean]

potential base skins in the future

they look good

[pale yoke]

@uncut dome this you?

[uncut dome]

Who knows

[pale yoke]

very sus

oh nvm it couldn't be since the 2 ops they using boost clue 4 and 1. just an unfortunate soul

this would've been zyf skill

[mystic beacon]

Is the number on the right how long until the operator is exhausted? It seems especially short for HR.

Or I mean reception room

[pale yoke]

also until your next clue

[mystic beacon]

So they just go until the next clue regardless?

[pale yoke]

how many clue you have now?

[mystic beacon]

Um some are from friends? Does that affect it? (I also have another 2)

[pale yoke]

i mean do you have 10 clue in inventory lol

[mystic beacon]

Nope

[fleet sinew]

Does Wang count the PP from eunectes/dead lancet comvo?

[mystic beacon]

I’m just trying to set things up a bit better right now. I had very random assignments

[pale yoke]

Mine looks like this now which makes sense
Basically until she stop working for ines

but as you can see my caper will have about the next 7hour still

[mystic beacon]

Hmm that’s confusing

[pale yoke]

truly is

[wind otter]

The timer tells you what is closest to happen = the clue about to be delivered, or the operators about to get tired

[mystic beacon]

I have two operators assigned at 23 morale but both will get tired in roughly 1 hour

[pale yoke]

that means your next clue in 1 hr

[wind otter]

your clue should be delivered in about an hour would be my guess

[mystic beacon]

And they both will get tired then or only one?

[wind otter]

none

[mystic beacon]

[pale yoke]

vault everytime i login to ak alter discord telling me how many streak you have LOL

[wind otter]

since your clue is closer to be delivered, the timer shows clue delivery time, when your ops are about to get tired sooner than the clue will be delivered then the timer will show when they get tired

[wind otter]

what

[pale yoke]

ill take a ss next time

[mystic beacon]

Thank you, that seems like an odd choice from the devs

[wind otter]

spaghetti code making wonders

[wind otter]

two posts in a row and I don't understand what you are talking about

[astral tiger]

ak alter = endfield

[wind otter]

that Discord tells you some Endfield info from my account or something?

[astral tiger]

shows your login streak in endfield

[wind otter]

what is a login streak? time playing or something?

[pale yoke]

yea

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

discord exposing all the addicts

[wind otter]

maybe I don't get yours because you're invisible

[pale yoke]

you'r on streak 16

[astral tiger]

it just adds to the streak everyday u login

[pale yoke]

[wind otter]

I leave the game running in the background, the server kicks me all the time

[pale yoke]

i fell asleep with game running too

i just forgor when i go to youtube game still running

[wind otter]

[mystic beacon]

I feel like I gotta write a program to optimize my base setup

[wind otter]

you know what's funny about my Endfield streak? I'm not even to Wuling yet

[pale yoke]

it's overwhelming at first you will get better after you filter out bad ops and will know by heart eventually (the rotation)

[wind otter]

Aroma getting tired in the middle of maint moment

[pale yoke]

i took my time too i was lv47 when i first landed in wuling
was spending too much time in base management

the riic base management brain

the maint is next update?

[wind otter]

I am wasting to much time jumping against map walls trying to glitch through invisible walls to optimize zip line placements

[pale yoke]

fr just go through story first
many game mechanics lock behind story

[mystic beacon]

how often do y'all swap the operators in your base? just once a day?

[pale yoke]

if i have a redo ill just speedrun it

[wind otter]

yeah

[pale yoke]

the norm we recommend is twice a day, so 12hr interval

[mystic beacon]

ok, that's not too bad

[wind otter]

don't tell him about cursing protect his innocence

[pale yoke]

but some of us like vault here is an addict he rotate every hour

oh too late

[wind otter]

I don't rotate every hour

[pale yoke]

exposed

[wind otter]

||1 hr and 13 mins||

[mystic beacon]

what

[pale yoke]

curse is in a way technically ☝️ 🤓

damn you cutting it close

i go 1hr 11min

if lucky

but we all know we dont get that 2gold trade everytime

[wind otter]

it's just an operator, the best op for base, that doesn't need to be in the facility all the time just a moment before tp trades, so you place her in before every order

[wind otter]

exactly

but then tequila interjects and in we go to base again

[pale yoke]

Literally just happened

Gold 2 elude me

[wind otter]

I cut it closer, after 1 hr and 13 mins another timer kicks in with 4 mins 30 secs, then I place Prov/Teq at 10 secs remaining

[wind otter]

painage

[pale yoke]

insanity

[mystic beacon]

That’s a bit too much micromanaging for me

[pale yoke]

lv2 tp i just go 117
lv3 is 111

[wind otter]

It's better than looking at the screen, let the alarm let you know

[pale yoke]

yea vault is crazy

[wind otter]

you do the same shit

[pale yoke]

nu uh

[wind otter]

i don't even know what the hell that is, I just know you get it in wuling

[wind otter]

yeah uh

[pale yoke]

you'll know eventually

[wind otter]

so cryptic

wang does big wang damage

[pale yoke]

they know his base skill already?

[wind otter]

they know everything

[pale yoke]

he good?

[wind otter]

pin 4

||he is amiya or kal'tsit depending on circumstance ||

[pale yoke]

ew

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

into the bin

[wind otter]

well

maybe

[pale yoke]

on a bad rotation maybe, like when both gladia and knight die at the same time

[fluid pollen]

He’d be usable if they merged both effects

[wind otter]

yeah

[fluid pollen]

But like

[pale yoke]

yea

give me PI or bust

[fluid pollen]

Why do we need an effect we alr have….

They should’ve given him Ch3n’s RR skill.

🥹

[wind otter]

HG releasing new op base skills feels like your parents picking up the present they gave you last year, wrapping it up again and giving it to you for christmas

[fluid pollen]

Fun to read and does nth else smh

Read just to confuse new players

[pale yoke]

no way anyone can justify wang over knight/eun/glad rotation

[fluid pollen]

Can’t even justify him over Hoshi Swire….

It’s cooked

[pale yoke]

unless you messed up so bad middle with 2 of those dead at the same time

impossible sui team dont die before knight team either

[fluid pollen]

Can use Wang if need another +2% fac for whatever fun reason ig

[pale yoke]

unless you dont have one of the sui girl and you want to hit that CY 5 sui cap

cope

even still

[fluid pollen]

Actually I have use case for him, throw him in CC so RR doesn’t have 2 rando Sui when training.

-5% fac for RR sometimes ig….

[mystic beacon]

do these skills like "increase the morale of all operators in the control center by 0.05 per hour" even matter?

[pale yoke]

fair point

but still, my knight team not giving an inch

[fluid pollen]

Err that’s for 1/4 of my shifts.🥹

[pale yoke]

it does matter but it rarely matters on ops that matters

if that make sense

[fluid pollen]

Once every 2 days so….

[mystic beacon]

it doesn't make sense to me...

[wind otter]

if you have nothing better they don't hurt, if you are trying to stretch the moment you need to do some rotation that benefits then they can help

[mystic beacon]

ah

[wind otter]

yeah, abyssal hunters

[pale yoke]

exactly

so little good usecase and also those ops don't come with other innate good CC skill

[fluid pollen]

Usually those ops that have those MR skills don’t have good base skills too so extending their times doesn’t really matter. It’s mainly for bonus or to hit a morale breakpoint.

[pale yoke]

so to the bin

[fluid pollen]

🚮

[wind otter]

the bin is full

[pale yoke]

get zyf out of the bin then

[fluid pollen]

man

Too much trash

[pale yoke]

truly

[fluid pollen]

Zyf gonna make me have to learn how to edit his sheet.

[pale yoke]

[wind otter]

you empty the bin but then HG does more sidegrades

[fluid pollen]

we substitute more

[pale yoke]

doing a sidegrade on a sui is absolute diabolical

[fluid pollen]

How shite would the coding be for Wang

[pale yoke]

the vision of all 12 sui in a good rotation is not possible now

[fluid pollen]

Actually, seems fine

[pale yoke]

wang coding can't be that bad...

[mystic beacon]

speaking of sui, for Yu's skill, does it include himself? (he is the only sui i have)

[pale yoke]

we ain't talking about kirara here

yes it does

but not worth it if just himself

[mystic beacon]

yea makes sense

[pale yoke]

even full 5 sui there's only 1 specific use case

[fluid pollen]

Only have to check number

[pale yoke]

cap at .64 losing to durin is hilarious

[fluid pollen]

Only if Shu had Jieyun’s base skill.

Actual useable op.

[pale yoke]

jieyun cope is highest quality of cope

give us ops that merge PI and WP when

[fluid pollen]

It’s the fun cope

But yea splitting it feels bad

[mystic beacon]

PI and WP?

[wind otter]

don't discard wang just yet, he could still be part of pepe combo

[fluid pollen]

Perception Information and Worldly Plight

Fun stuff

[pale yoke]

perception of information and worldly plight, jargon for the crazy big base skill

[fluid pollen]

and are a rich man

[pale yoke]

all the limited ops on that team lol

give us 2nd ros

[fluid pollen]

Dusk still the most beginner friendly member of the group.

While being the least

[fluid pollen]

WP Ros.

🥹

[pale yoke]

that would be a great

every 15 WP we get 10 PI
so imagine the ros that works on WP

and is on production instead of TP

insane cope

[inner ocean]

I feel Sidegrades on both Wang and Ch3n for my rotation.
I maybe need Gato's thoughts on it

[orchid bane]

We will have a Ji with the skill : when in Factory with Shu .....

[orchid bane]

ch3n

[pale yoke]

every year we say next sui will be better

[round lichen]

Pronounced “cha-threen.” Just like M3gan before her

I’m interested to know if Greyy2 affects Wang. If so then 252 and 153 have some interesting flexibility with how they use him

The real win is HG acknowledging that setups other than XX3 are valid and not strictly punishing us for leaving dorms unleveled

[pale yoke]

did the game just died?

nvm

[inner ocean]

The question for me now is...

can i update this rotation to include....oh wait

yeah no....

I'm 252

so Wang provides only 2% Factory

and not 7% TP

because 7% TP during Nothing's shift sounded great

so Flametail and Viv would still be the better deal than Wang's 2% Factory

And CY is already capped with 5 Suis from himself, Ling, Nian, Shu, and Yu

As for Ch3n, my Mr Nothing shift only provides 60% TP so that's -20% from dorm = 40 WP only

so only 4% + 20%

which is weaker than OG Chen's RR contributions.

Yeah Ch3n and Wang for me is not improving my base.

Conclusion: Only need to remember Nasti as the only operator I wouldn't pull for that would improve my base.

[pale yoke]

believe it or not i have found a way to curse in AK alter too

[fluid pollen]

Have not played ef.

[jaunty notch]

clue curse?

[pale yoke]

[pale yoke]

efficiency curse on making production

[fluid pollen]

[pale yoke]

least amount of energy spent at highest production so far, i dont see anyone else doing it

[jaunty notch]

oh the battery split trick

[pale yoke]

not just that

[inner ocean]

Gato, any changes in MR's rotations with Wang?
How much improvement does 243 get from an extra +7% TP using Wang shifts?

minimal?

[jaunty notch]

you get a free sui slot

which is already a plus

[fluid pollen]

There’s no way to fit tho 3 Sui 2 knights and then Hoshi the rest?

I think it’s just 0.

💀

[pale yoke]

im not even using hoshiter

[inner ocean]

i don't think anyone would either when Eunectes is a thing

[fluid pollen]

243 doesn’t use Eun in CC.

[inner ocean]

oh we talking 243

[jaunty notch]

i can still use wang in one of my shifts

honestly it's good cause with nasti and wang i can finally do mastery without cramping a bunch of bs in dorms

[pale yoke]

[inner ocean]

I can't copy anyone right now since my base layout is uncommon

in my perspective, 3 of the Suis are outside CC

[jaunty notch]

only 2

[inner ocean]

i mean for me it's 3

[jaunty notch]

but yeah you

just use dead Shu with kazemaru

[inner ocean]

yeah i'm not too keen on that at all

[jaunty notch]

easiest shit ever

[inner ocean]

2 Suis in TR and 1 in Workshop is still easy mode

i barely do masteries in the overall time span of base usage anyways

I would've considered that but CY has Sui cap

[fluid pollen]

You’re doing 3 Sui 2Knights smth smth fill in the blank with Eun right.

[inner ocean]

imagine if he didn't

I'd be in heaven if CY didn't have a fucking cap

on Suibling bonuses

in a heartbeat, sacrifice RR slots

[fluid pollen]

Or was it the Ling Dusk throw CY in a ditch

[pale yoke]

2sui 2knight eun
fill in the blank sui/mly for whichever team resting

and glad

[fluid pollen]

Yea ic

Makes sense then

[inner ocean]

I wouldn't share my own cause it may not work out on your base's restrictions

I'll just assume most people here have MR

[pale yoke]

how long is the maint?

[fluid pollen]

Was looking at 243 also, idt they can afford to run Wang regardless.

4

[pale yoke]

oh that's nice

gladi can survive then

[fluid pollen]

So like a bit useless this guy

[pale yoke]

wang is useless to most i suppose

rare niche use case

[inner ocean]

Wang might be liked by 243

cause Wang adds an easy +7% TP to Proviso and the other TP

which further helps the strength of 243 which is TP and drone dominance

over 5 factories

[fluid pollen]

Is 2% fac > 7% tp skill surely not.

[round dock]

Wang finally changed meta

[fluid pollen]

This guy is just rip.

[pale yoke]

i like that emotes

[pale yoke]

i hope this is a sarcasm

[fluid pollen]

Guy has fun to read skill which is basically it.

HG should’ve just combined effects instead of doing this

[jaunty notch]

guess who

[jaunty notch]

he's the usual 7% tp for them. There's no harm in adding him from amiya or w/e

like what do you think 243 CC have that you say that?

[fluid pollen]

Can slot him in for 1 shift if you don’t do 3 Sui 2 Knights.

[pale yoke]

243 dont use knight or glad?

[fluid pollen]

And only run knights for 1 shift.

Otherwise err

[pale yoke]

weird choice

[fluid pollen]

He’s just not very useful

[pale yoke]

am i missing something, i dont think knight is affected or glad is affected in anyway by 243 right?

[inner ocean]

what do MRs do anyways

[fluid pollen]

I don’t think so either

[inner ocean]

when Ling CY and Dusk use 3/5 CCs

Eun on 1

so who's last?

[pale yoke]

glad

[fluid pollen]

I think if you’re lazy 243 would go like this?
3 Sui 2 Knight
3 Sui Hoshi Swire
Delph 2 Knights Hoshi Swire

[pale yoke]

unless you say 12hr rotation then glad was never the conversation to begin with

[fluid pollen]

Idk

Or is Delph like trash

[pale yoke]

karlan bet

[fluid pollen]

Karlan 2 op is worse than Umiri.

[pale yoke]

[jaunty notch]

I'm talking about og 3 sui sail amiya btw

i mean you know we ditch sail just because we're vets and stop giving a shit about certs right?

[fluid pollen]

And that Sail is a fraud? Yea

[inner ocean]

those were old times too when there's not many other reasons to kick out Sail

[jaunty notch]

and honestly from how I play Wang's strong enough

not breaking ceilings but i value slots more now