r-i-i-c

[chilly mirage]

Yes

2 level 3 trading post, 1 level 3 and 4 level 2 factories, 2 level 3 powerplant

💔💔💔

[rare garden]

Copium.
Just use 3 cycle.

All I know is 243 cus I'm casual.

[chilly mirage]

For the trading post, should I do like

123
456

Rotation or smth?

💔😭

I mean, ops could work 24 hours and restore morale in 12 hours right?

Or am i wrong?

[rare garden]

My rotation is steady.

once every 12 hours.

[chilly mirage]

I do log in every 12 hours tho

So i might be doing smth very wrong hete

Which is why I'm resetting my bade

Or at leats putting everyone back to full morale

Then redo my set up😭

which trading post skills are good tho?

[rare garden]

I'm not riic dalao but check pins just in case

[strange sorrel]

20k day 2 is crazy

@leaden grove @plain gust thoughts?

[rare garden]

I forgot to open AK 12 hours before reset.

Mostly stays around 40k to 60k per day.

[plain gust]

Gold prod is a bit low especially without shamteq tp
Just track your gold in depot over a week or so, and make sure you're not bleeding gold

The rest looks fine

[rare garden]

Heya. Help this guy above me @plain gust
Their base gets 20k a day.

And most of their base slaves operators have 0 morale.

[plain gust]

Well that's most likely the issue ngl

@chilly mirage Mind sending your riic report over 3 days, and a screenshot of your rotations ?

[chilly mirage]

I'll try soon after I redo it...

For now, I need to make ALL my ops into full morale

And also, my main problem is the low lmd per day

[plain gust]

If you hit zero morale, it's normal that you would have low lmd
Operators in the red should never happen ngl, it's terrible for your production efficiency, basically just the raw facilities prod atp

With dorms lv1 and no morale boost in dorms, 12h would be enough to go from 0 to full morale
Be careful with your rotations and it should not happen again
Also if you didn't already, make sure your dorms have 1k ambience at least

[chilly mirage]

All have 1k I'm pretty sure since before I refunded the mats they had like max ambience

[chilly mirage]

Do they normally consume all morale in 24 h tho?

[plain gust]

Without mlynar and smiley team in CC, yes 24h if they dont have morale modifiers like -md

[leaden grove]

About 34 hrs without those

[plain gust]

I usually do my rotations every 12h

[plain gust]

It's 34h without mlynar ?
With CC filled ?

[chilly mirage]

I don't even have mylnar😭

One more thing, is droning like required?

Or are your 60k per day like without drones?

[plain gust]

If you have proviso or shamare/tequila tp, you always drone those
If you don't, you drone whatever you need
Usually 60k is with droning yes

[chilly mirage]

Oh damn

So that's another part why i have low lmd prod

How do I drone in tp tho?

Cuz lmd is what i really need the most

I don't really need to drone my gold cuz I have 800+

And 2 factories producing gold

As for exp, well i mean it's fine but lmd is much priority for me

Can I maybe send screenshots of my ops here?

I have legit no idea what teams to use😭

I only know amiya in cc and that's it

[plain gust]

Did you look at #bot-spam /base, /baseskills already?
Also did you check pins of this channel ?

[chilly mirage]

I haven't read any yet

[plain gust]

Then start with that, just aim for the highest % you can reach per facility
Keep in mind some operators need e2 and you shouldn't consider them outside of proviso
At least until you can comfortably e2 without regard of the cost

[worthy snow]

Sorry, I can’t check the pins on phone using web, can someone send me this pinned msg that helps with base slaves since I want to level them up? tbh even asking for this is odd

[leaden grove]

Start with /base in #bot-spam

[worthy snow]

I have made the 2-5-2 if that’s what you are referring to

but I’ll check again

[leaden grove]

Sorry I meant /baseskills

[worthy snow]

oh

sure

Thank you

[worthy snow]

okay, sorry for asking, but these look like for the very beginner players who are just starting
I thought I had enough characters for my base but I might be wrong

[leaden grove]

I saw purestream was e0 that’s huge

[worthy snow]

Really?
Woah

[leaden grove]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zYc2JU46X0XWmV7s1503bN4feRdOMa1eehrTQ2jGaiE/edit?usp=drivesdk start with noob tag and work your way though

[worthy snow]

sure
Thanks a lot again
Also sorry for taking your time

[leaden grove]

It’s no problem

[spare pivot]

[pale yoke]

[spare pivot]

[azure topaz]

anyone has exodia base rotation?

[winged hollow]

24h everyone out

[past violet]

is exulter + lemuen + archetto a good combo for tp?
theoretically it should be 110%
exulter 45%
lemuen 25%
archetto 40% ( assuming all dorms are max )

[rigid plume]

Dude wants to transfer Proviso to Lv3 TP instead letting working on Lv2.

Can you calculate fast why not, while I'm sleeping?

[torn meteor]

og exu is better but if you are on 243 this isnt bad, you still would rather use proviso over archetto tho

[queen flicker]

who should I fia here? also droning tequila here is optimal right?

oh actually i have mitm which seems to have the same skill as diamante but its not showing in the combo guide doc. if so, i could instead rotate diamante with mitm and fia another third target right?

purestream I guess?

[queen flicker]

or mon3tr and get rid of pudding and the robots?

[plain gust]

mitm can't replace tailoring ops, he's much worse

Oh diamante is e0 nvm

Consider e2ing your tailoring

[queen flicker]

i see thanks. only real tailoring i have is diamante and id rather not e2 him, atleast for now.

[frank cipher]

just fia purestream tailoring e2 at best is 30% n 15% at e0

[queen flicker]

so purestream > mon3tr in my case?

[frank cipher]

monster/pudding same thing

[queen flicker]

yeah but i thought without pudding and robots i could use better pp workers and get more drones for tequila. didn't do the math tho

[strange sorrel]

king @unique mauve wat do you think abt this?

[unique mauve]

• for CC there is no need to use Nymph (dorm worker), you'd rather use a factory worker. Same applies for the Mlynar preset, remove one smile and add Mon3tr/Kal if you have them
• factory 2: remove beanstalk, she's only a 15% worker basically. Use Purestream and Spot
• factory 3: remove fang alter, she's useless there without e2. Use 25% worker or Purestream Spot as said above. Scene there doesn't make any sense
• factory 4: too much trash, just use exp workers like vigna
• tp 1: lower the tp level to 2 since it's better if you have proviso. Consider using Quartz e1 (buy her from red cert shop) since she will be the highest % worker in your case
• tp 2: doesn't make sense using Bison since it's not e2. Use jaye+texas+lappland

@strange sorrel

[frank cipher]

Leftover, badly reluctant to e2 op when mat need is rock

[pale yoke]

that's pretty good ratio

[frank cipher]

having 3rd lvl3 fac would be godsent, gold/exp/ao lvl3. aight we go lvl1 fac as suck as it is

[pale yoke]

totally agree, as a 333 main i approve that statement

[jaunty notch]

@torn meteor Exu alt and Lemu is only 60. Just use og exu and lemu for 80

[torn meteor]

i think you replied to the wrong guy, i mentioned that og exu was better

[jaunty notch]

if you are on 252 this isnt bad, you still would rather use proviso over archetto tho

unless i misunderstood, it seems you said exu alt lemu is not bad on 252 and such

[torn meteor]

i meant 243 oop but the first half of the message

[jaunty notch]

i know you said og is better, just addressing the latter parts

and the entire line is for anyone who doesn't know

[torn meteor]

i shouldve included numbers in what i was saying but the main mistake was my brain going 243 when i typed 252 by accident

[jaunty notch]

problem solved, just fixing the "this" part of the convo by letting the other guy know exu alt is not worth at all

[torn meteor]

ah kk

[inner ocean]

this existence means we might get more Ya2/Noir2/TRC synergies, right?

although if it's just another TP/CC ops, then that'd be not worth it. So here's hoping it's taking a different facility space

[jaunty notch]

cc +5% training and CC 0.05 dorms

[inner ocean]

.....sigh

so the MH alters are left

to buff TRC

[jaunty notch]

they're supposed to be skills that can be replaced by other operators

also no way they're letting trc reach anything higher than 41

[inner ocean]

[inner ocean]

who knows. gotta reward a mini exodia

at least we got our VG M3 now

[jaunty notch]

if we're lucky then new 1* will be a 35% fac

it's a betting period

[inner ocean]

ah

[jaunty notch]

nothing is guaranteed

[inner ocean]

still no solid info

[jaunty notch]

you know the event starts in like a week right

[inner ocean]

[jaunty notch]

if I actually know what the skills are I wouldn't put them there anyway

[inner ocean]

would they even count as Karlann to buff the TP combo. They're gonna be alter-designated unless HG allows double factions to exist

[jaunty notch]

alters

but it depends

hg can always add terms

like how exu was considered both

or elite ops

[inner ocean]

we'll see

the moment they remove alter restrictions

the moment we get Spalter working

....although it might not be worth it?

since Gladiia already barely survives and it's a pain to make the rotation gaps shorter

9:30 PM to 5:00 AM for Gladiia rotation is already a sweet spot for me for 40% per AH pop

[jaunty notch]

bold of you to assume they'll remove alter res

when an entire CC squad uses that guideline

though honestly they can just make an alter that gives +7 tp and +2 fac and you'd actually be balling

[inner ocean]

nah there's too many that do that by now

well not too many

but the options are multiple

whether it's Swire and Breacher, or Ya2 Noir TRC combo, or go back to Amiya Kal

although Breacher is stronger than the other options

albeit that does mean I have to consider Eun's Krooster shift perks being weaker

[jaunty notch]

i'm saying in case they want to make an affordable r6 again

[inner ocean]

heh

[jaunty notch]

cuz alter comp needs 1 extra

so just make an alter that does tp

and you get same r6 amiya

[past violet]

i don't have og exu

[past violet]

I have proviso in my first tp

[jaunty notch]

then just noob tab and go

[wind otter]

||race upstate ||

[jaunty notch]

||let me grab my scooter||

[wind otter]

it's a trip to nowhere though

[vernal moss]

Why do people say Mr nothing has good base skill?? Which one are they talking about?? I thought the tp one is reliant on worldly plight

And i thought worldly plight is like, kinda ass

[stoic spoke]

[inner ocean]

it's actually better than Rosmontis

post-Proviso

Proviso has given TP ops with high % bigger value

and so, Mr Nothing WP combo with CY and other Suis have really taken off

[wanton coral]

252 but still have 10 power left? i see in guide there is perfect fit 540 power imo

[jaunty notch]

Dorm to lv2

[round lichen]

Dusk and Ling give 15 WP versus 10 PI, and Chongyue gives a whopping 25 WP when you have 5 Sui siblings. You can add Mulberry in HR for an extra boost, but the combo is only reliant on your CC to be functional. Meanwhile PI is reliant on a bunch of sacrifices (stuffing dorms with Iris, Czerny, Virtuosa, using Whisperain in HR, using Eben in a TP), and many of these become worse the closer you are to an optimal layout (Lv1 dorms, Lv1 HR, no slots for Eben when you’re using Shamare team in Lv3 TP and Proviso in Lv2 TP)

[pale yoke]

another point in the graph that TP% is much easier to obtain than FC%

[copper estuary]

does exia alt count herself for her tp bonus? as in if it's exia + exia alter + lemuen will it be 45%?

[pale yoke]

no

[copper estuary]

[pale yoke]

you can click on her skill to see who she considered as partner

[vernal moss]

Oh so basically it's a setup for old players with a bunch of sui ops?? Not for me then lol

[pale yoke]

yes

[vernal moss]

I dont like rearranging my whole base just to minmax my tp

[pale yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/shu-shu-gif-ling-gif-arknights-ling-gif-nian-gif-gif-13840664179755338379

[round lichen]

PI and WP teams fall apart if you don’t collect limited units, hence why they’re nicknamed “Exodia”

[stoic spoke]

What do you like

[vernal moss]

I like "When this operator is assigned to a trading post, order acquisition efficiency +30%"

[pale yoke]

@wind otter remember last time i mentioned about the survey?

[uncut dome]

70 seconds off

Gonna give you 7 things to remind you of that mistake today

[pale yoke]

they just gona expire

[fluid pollen]

[jaunty notch]

show full rots

[pale yoke]

@jaunty notch should be all in there

[wise shale]

Mr. Nothing can get 102% by himself. Need a lot of Sui operators and Mulberry

Oh, I didn't scroll down.
Sorry for that.

[winged hollow]

would you sacrifice 5% of tp for 5% of fac

[wise shale]

My TP is bottlenecked by the gold production, so I would.

But so far drone and buying gold on fried store can bridge the bottleneck.

[winged hollow]

just 3 gold fac

[wise shale]

I already running 3 Gold fac, and 2 xp.

Not sure I want to lower my XP production tho.

[winged hollow]

but you need better base slaves

or this will gonna continue

[wise shale]

Couldn't think of any tbh.
I'm waiting for a better base slave to appear.

[winged hollow]

if you have exodia why don't use aroma with ros

[wise shale]

Hmmm.. I haven't E2'd her so I paired Ros with Purestream

[winged hollow]

so I use whis ros wf aroma

[jaunty notch]

so where did you get this number

[wise shale]

All I can say I put
Chongyue, Dusk, Ling in CC
Nian in Training Room
Shu in Factory
Mulberry in HR Room
&
Mr. Nothing in TP

[wise shale]

My gold teams during off-Exodia are as follow.

When Exodia in play, they have slightly worse production, but not by much

[winged hollow]

for 252

for 243 it is a boost production

[jaunty notch]

ah so cursed dusk ling and then 7 from CC

sure

[nimble inlet]

Whats the best base skill for recruitment refresh?

[jaunty notch]

penance at 50% hr

but she drops fast

you can refer to the HR tab for more workers

[frank cipher]

/baseskill in #botspam

[winged hollow]

I rather do eyja/haruka

[chilly mirage]

@plain gust ok so I set up my base for real now and read as much as I can, I hope after 3 days, I get good results

And I'll make sure to actually log in roughly 12 hours or less

[plain gust]

Glad to hear that, check your riic report in 3-4 days, and see if it improved
If you have questions, feel free to ask, i'll answer when i'm available

[plucky basin]

exu alter has a typo in base skill right?

ain't no way she just gives 0.55 to all other ops

that's almost twice as much as durin

[light glade]

Is this bad or not too bad?

[plain gust]

Both lmd and exp are pretty low
Make sure you reach 90% in tps, and check pins for base combo spreadsheet, look at the noob tab for exp workers
Also #bot-spam /baseskills

[plucky basin]

Yes, no? Did I miss the new meta

[normal dagger]

What's the training room for if I have no high tier mats for skill m upgrade

[compact compass]

do you use only 1 powerplant? im really new in this base configurating thing

[leaden grove]

….for when you do have the materials?

[leaden grove]

Check /base and /baseskills in #bot-spam

Start with those

[compact compass]

ow... my right side buildings are maxed out

i guess im stuck in this config?

[leaden grove]

No

[plain gust]

You can't downgrade right side yes
You're free to use a 252 setup with downgraded factories tho, it's still the best for you

[compact compass]

ohh i see

[queen flicker]

i use two but for simplicity i treat them like a single facility in my doc

[wise shale]

True "Released from Beta" base is when the you can fully lvl up all 252 buildings including the rightside

[orchid bane]

Remember to do survey , friends

[pale yoke]

idek if our survey matters tbh

we just take content from cn anyway

not like yostar have any say in it

[orchid bane]

Idk

So why they do it anyway ?

Maybe they will send this to HG ?

[wise shale]

200 Orundums that's why

[orchid bane]

For this one 600

And why don't they just give us then ?

[pale yoke]

my guess is data brokering, if you read the tnc in their survey they basically get all your data gmail info etc just by accepting it

[orchid bane]

This one new

[orchid bane]

Idt so

[valid storm]

I did

and I told them that the pace we had in the last 2 months was slow af

[orchid bane]

If they are collecting gmail we would know

[round lichen]

It’s wrong but not exactly a typo, Tomimi had the same issue but hers was corrected

Santalla as well

So it’s consistently wrong, not just a singular error

[spare pivot]

WHAT?!

[valid storm]

Yes

[spare pivot]

mayne I need some weeks off to farm chips and mats for my ops

[valid storm]

we should do the same as TW server does

[spare pivot]

do 2 events at once?

[valid storm]

yes

[spare pivot]

I don't think that's gonna be fun

[plucky basin]

sent a typo report then

[thin minnow]

It's typo

I asked this before

It's the same wording as Tomimi and Santalla's skills

[torn meteor]

i think they prob use templates for their base skill translations when possible and their template for this style of skill has the error

[coral shuttle]

how fucked am i if i upgraded the office to level two and now i can't downgrade it?

[leaden grove]

Not very fucked at all actually

Lvl 2 is a bit worse than lvl 1

Lvl 3 is a lot worse than lvl 2

[coral shuttle]

so as long as i don't upgrade the reception room, nor the office to level two i'm fine?

three*

[leaden grove]

Yeah that’s still really good

[arctic prism]

lmao i threw everything i dont have maxed into krooster's planner

and now the planner is so laggy

[fluid pollen]

Don’t have maxed ?

[arctic prism]

need 110M xp / 180M lmd to m9 max all module everything up to cn rn
not that im gonna do that but just wanted to see what the numbers come out to

[fluid pollen]

That do be a lot

[arctic prism]

yeeeee

[fluid pollen]

Isok 5 more years!

[arctic prism]

I thought by doing all this stuff we were gonna eventually catch up to the op releasing pace
which we kind of are
but didnt think it would be this slow lmao

bc essentially we're just barely producing enough from base to keep up with new stuff (if we're being generous) so any catching up is done through events(?)

[fluid pollen]

Yea…

[leaden grove]

I’m pretty sure there is a button in summary that tells you how much mats you need for the whole roster minus owned and goals… so… yeah 🥹

[arctic prism]

😮 where

[leaden grove]

Im not logged in on my phone but it’s one of the little tabs in summary on the planner

[arctic prism]

ohhhhh I didnt know this existed

[leaden grove]

It might not be what you were looking for, but it gives mat totals and percentages

[arctic prism]

yea this is more or less the info I was trying to gain out of it lmao

made my planner borderline unusable just to see this LOL

[fluid pollen]

[arctic prism]

At least one set of these numbers are off somehow(?)
Like maybe I messed up and missed a couple ops or smth but there's no way I missed 7k rock worth of ops

or is the total usage one just talking about 0 to max using everything on cn

that must be what it means

[chilly mirage]

Yes I will sir

[fluid pollen]

gg

[knotty flax]

what ST/AoE MR operators are there? i know podenco exists

[pale yoke]

Interesting, I'll check mine later

[pale yoke]

I use them in here, honourable mention Durin honeyberry and Yu

Unless you mean mix aoe st then only podenco

[knotty flax]

max gracebearer the goat

nuns with their backs to me

gotta be my favorite gender

@pale yoke does coldshot MR stack with AoE/ST sources, and how?

[pale yoke]

When cold shot only have 1 operator that needs to recover in her dorm she becomes ST
When 2 or more need recover she becomes aoe
In my case I'm using her as ST

[round lichen]

Grain Buds

[jaunty notch]

imagine needing e2 but still lose to podenco

waste of space

[humble plinth]

Is Exu2's 0.55 Morale an AoE or ST recovery? It's probably too good to be true but both the game and the wiki state the former while the doc says the latter

[wind otter]

me forgor if I ever saw

[stoic spoke]

Test in dorm

It's ST

[humble plinth]

Scammed by official text

At least her own gameplay is good

[arctic prism]

this is from empty acc in case you were curious

[pale yoke]

some ops cant be added btw like iana and ethan

the site need fixing

ops sorry if i ping lol

[arctic prism]

icic

np lol

i was wondering why it said 387 when wiki said 389

thought i messed up

[pale yoke]

ooo

so just the 2 of theem

[arctic prism]

yea i think so

[floral veldt]

Sooo uhhh

252 is kind bit 🥀

[rigid plume]

Downgrade some Lv3 Facs to Lv2 until you can build Fac Lv2.

[floral veldt]

Kk

[arctic prism]

wait i just looked through and i was able to add those 2

but i do remember seeing an error when i tried selecting someone

should be alphabetical in theory except for a few that i fucked up on idk why swire is first

[floral veldt]

@rigid plume so this good?

[rigid plume]

https://tenor.com/view/belle-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-shake-drink-gif-7645421774834538081

I said only some Facs to Lv2
NOT EVERYTHING TO LV1

[arctic prism]

what the fuck

[pale yoke]

i cant add ling and yato alter either

[rigid plume]

BRUH

[floral veldt]

Nah need to removes the others ( i.e Dorm ) cuz power is still no insufficient

[pale yoke]

weird idk why

[arctic prism]

lol when you add too many the page kinda like wigs out

[rigid plume]

[arctic prism]

had to close and reopen the website couple times

[pale yoke]

im gona stop now lol

[arctic prism]

yea lmao

[pale yoke]

like its not going to be accurate anyway

[stoic spoke]

https://youtu.be/sBw1UW03crs?si=lfmW2q75HK8EHem6

[arctic prism]

yea it's not gonna be 100%

just as long as it's close enough that's all i wanted lol

[stoic spoke]

[rigid plume]

Ok, one TR to Lv3, another TR to Lv2 only, the rest to Facs first do one at least to Lv3, then accordingly make others to Lv2 each. If you have spare power, upgrade to Lv3.

Like, you now have to fucking wait to rebuild whole base now.

🥹

[floral veldt]

Alright

[floral veldt]

Nah DW, I'll wait it out

[rigid plume]

Kill me

[arctic prism]

lmao i cant believe you made this man delete his entire base

im dying

[rigid plume]

Like, what exactly I said wrong here?

I said nothing much except this

[arctic prism]

yea thats the sad part i thought what you said was fine

[pale yoke]

[stoic spoke]

No use debating now

[arctic prism]

but i guess it wasnt

[stoic spoke]

[floral veldt]

It still giving me that annoying downgrading will results to insufficient energy 💔

[rigid plume]

Just downgrade Facs

[arctic prism]

brother you already have 2 powerplants in this pic

[rigid plume]

One by one

[arctic prism]

what else u trying to downgrade

[floral veldt]

This was b4 💔

[arctic prism]

oh lmao

[floral veldt]

Now for the painful

Process

Assigning all ops 💔

[arctic prism]

[valid storm]

This looks kinda good - Manners Maketh Man

[sly plume]

https://www.krooster.com/network/lookup/aldrin
can I any recommendations on who to level up for base?

[orchid bane]

[valid storm]

couldn't see your ops, but I can always recommend the 4th link in the pins

[sly plume]

seems like i put the wrong link, tried to see the docs but seems complicated

[whole topaz]

Are these ok presets for the CC? I have flametail and wanted to use her to augment a factory team too, i'm trying to follow this base combo guide sheet but I'm ngl I'm a bit lost on what to do. I have some core operators needed for the better setups but it feels like I'm missing a lot still

[knotty flax]

wis'adel takes precedence over mlynar here. you want mlynar and the smileys in a different shift

mon3tr and kestrel (5th operator, 2nd row) are both smiley ops

replace gladiia with another smiley or whatever, i just use her because i have AH team running 2 Lv3 FACs at 112% and 92%

[whole topaz]

Good to know, thanks. I don't have Kestrel at e2 is she still usable? I can also just run Glaadia as well since I do have the other AHs

Haven't put them in a factory tho. Which ones are you using?

[frank cipher]

kestrel work like smiley, if she doesn't have smiley change swap her with smiley, e2 prob dorm morale iirc

[knotty flax]

gladiaa needs e2 iirc. Just any factory, I run 4gold/1exp 252 + RR2

split them up, 2 per fac + 30% if you can fit it

not really worth if you don't have skadi, ulpi, specter and Andreanna

[leaden grove]

You’ve been doing gold line for a while now iirc

Did you have some massive exp stockpile to burn through or something

[whole topaz]

I've been running 2-4-3 for years now, I just like having everything maxed out lol

Made some improvements, will track income and see if it helps, thanks

[keen gale]

Is making tactical battle record in factory recommended or should i just make precious metal?

[coral shuttle]

i'm trying to follow that imgur guide for the optimal base but it doesn't say what i need to put for the factories, is there anything specific i should have or can i just choose whatever i want?

[arctic prism]

most people use 3 factories for gold, 2 for xp

[arctic prism]

whatever you want, can check pin 4 and see what you have from there
just pick the best ones you have

[coral shuttle]

what?

[arctic prism]

in pins link 4

(4) Base Teams and Combos Guide

https://tinyurl.com/3ybfa66c

[coral shuttle]

ah

ty

[arctic prism]

ye

[amber maple]

heyo... I was wondering if anyone had a
NoBrain-Swap between 2 setups
for the Base... I'm kinda at an excess for materials
so I just kinda wanna do my best for optimizing
with minimal brain power >w>

[knotty flax]

i just need massive qtys of both and i haven't encountered any stages where i absolutely need apple pie alter yet

[leaden grove]

Idk what you mean

Oh like, are you so out of exp that you can’t raise her lol

And you switch back and forth?

[knotty flax]

i mean, I technically am, but I don't raise ops often enough to actually justify switching to EXP

by the time I want to raise new ops, I have enough for like 1-2 6*s lmao

[leaden grove]

Why bother with gold line then? Is it just big number chasing

[knotty flax]

I guess lmfao

[thin minnow]

we love big numbers

[knotty flax]

my planner says I need like a million more LMD and a million more EXP cards

[leaden grove]

[knotty flax]

so I'll just make LMD until I literally don't need LMD anymore

[leaden grove]

I had big exp deficit, so I droned exp for a while, now I have a surplus

I could live off of natural income, at least on average, for exp

So now it’s much more balanced

[knotty flax]

I mean I'll probably do that once I feel like I'm near meeting my LMD needs, I just need everything lmfao

[leaden grove]

The only issue with going really hard into one product (gold or exp) is the opportunity cost of your good workers for the other product sitting idly

[knotty flax]

these are my deficits

planned ofc, i could live without any of these upgrades

i'm running poze/tuye/kirara + proviso

but i also don't have so many EXP teams?

i have scene but haven't raised her

vermeil subs in for mizuki and bryophyta teams

if i switch to 3 gold, then i lose 40% TP prod as per the combo spreadsheet

[leaden grove]

It was hard to walk away from gold line team, but having more balanced production is so nice

I would say drone exp but drones used on proviso are worth more, so it sucks to not do that

[knotty flax]

fair enough

these figures are calculated into raw TP prod, right?

so theoretically 5gold is worth like ~5.5 30% ops across a TP2/TP3

[leaden grove]

Uhhh if I understand the TP math right, yes. Like +150% in one and +0% in the other would be the same as both having +75%, assuming no proviso or tequila, or order manipulation in general

[knotty flax]

can a TP2 produce nat 5-gold orders?

[leaden grove]

No tp can, that’s proviso

But with proviso yes

If that’s what you meant

[leaden grove]

Another exp-non-haver

[vital oriole]

I just swap between all gold and all xp

[leaden grove]

.

High opportunity cost strategy

[vital oriole]

I've done the numbers, all my teams are 35%+ per worker

as it is, everything is far more lmd bound than xp bound once you have everyone past then e1 1~50 range

65k lmd and 55k xp a day is decent enough for what I need though

[leaden grove]

Oh is that like a long term average

[vital oriole]

average per day across two days of shifts yeah

[leaden grove]

So like one day is 65k lmd 0 exp and the next day is 55k exp?

[vital oriole]

like ~44k vs ~65k xp fluctuating

lmd is pretty consistently ~65k since lmd orders don't apply until you accept them

[lone ore]

it's time I work this lawyer to death

[vital oriole]

mind you I'm an anomaly as I have all the ops, so I have access to all possible base comboes

[leaden grove]

That’s pretty good, even considering having all combos

If you switch around recipes a lot

[vital oriole]

I drone to switch recipes, so that also contributes to output

[leaden grove]

I used to switch recipes a lot but would forget every now and again

Gains gone

[pallid isle]

compared to what i am running with all operators and base combos and getting 65K-70K lmd average and 35 exp average thats quite an insane difference

20 more exp a day is a lot

[fluid pollen]

Compared with MR it’s not even a fair comparison anymore.

[vital oriole]

just realized I typoed 75k instead of 65k . 75k would be wild lol

though hm, maybe possible

would sacrifice lmd if so

[arctic prism]

from my perspective as well (all op 153), those numbers seem too high
3 lv3 xp fac is a very consistent 54k xp (effectively 0 fluctuation)
this is using ros, gladiia, automation, pinus all on xp

maybe just max left things? but then how are you not bleeding gold

[fluid pollen]

He’s max left yea, swapping 4 gold 4 exp each time?

[marsh flax]

do i put 2 metal and 3 exp if i build 5 factories

[arctic prism]

usually 3 gold if you have 2 tps

[pale yoke]

depends on your gold reserve

[arctic prism]

[fluid pollen]

This is just MR 252 droning exp.

[arctic prism]

maybe it is doable

[stoic spoke]

Is this (Proviso in lv3 tp with 162%) better than in a lv2 tp with Mr Nothing exodia?

[arctic prism]

yep

and it's not close lmao

like roughly 70% tp difference in the best case for mr nothing

[stoic spoke]

The numbers are around 70k LMD with this lv3, with droning

How much LMD is lv2 exodia?

[arctic prism]

uh idk how you calculated that 70k so I cant give you an accurate response that would fit the same conditions lol

[stoic spoke]

I'm using it

[arctic prism]

then nothing I say will be accurate unless you do it yourself lmao

all I can say is using mulberry + exodia on lv2

[stoic spoke]

Maybe vinci has tested it all

[arctic prism]

you end up with roughly -70% tp in comparison

?? why test when you can calculate

[stoic spoke]

Lv3tp means varying orders

Lv2 always gurantees proviso proc

But yeah, 70% is good

But we also give away like 30% in shamare tp by not using bibeak

And a factory slot for lv3 proviso

[arctic prism]

oh I assumed he was cursing didnt see he took out bibeak
let me recalc

[stoic spoke]

Cursing isn't for the faint of heart

(like me)

[vital oriole]

not quite testing, I'm max left so I just have more to play with

but been tr1 for 5 years now lol

[vital oriole]

the purpose of level 2 is to maximize slots when you have max right. I have max left

[arctic prism]

for this im getting -14%tp -13% gold roughly

[normal lava]

What lvl does my base have to be for maximum efficiency?

should I prioritize working on my base before continuing to e2 my characters?
I already have a wisadel e2 mod 2 and e2 exualt and e2 lemuen, which I think suffices right?

[vital oriole]

iirc level 2 is 280% effective total prod, while level 3 is around 415 total production

[vital oriole]

never level office

[normal lava]

noted

[stoic spoke]

Nice, I have max-1 left so one factory (weedy's) is lv2. Upgrading it only gives +25% (no better operators to pair than passenger), so I've done lv3 Proviso instead.

[vital oriole]

nice

[stoic spoke]

Maybe after Snegurochka it'll be better to lv3 the fac

[vital oriole]

though I will say my average per-slot op quality is now 35%

[stoic spoke]

[stoic spoke]

Show yours (and what can be improved?)

[arctic prism]

depends on mulberry/whisperain

also whether you use amiya in that calc

whisperain + no amiya is 293%
mulberry + amiya is 342%

in comparison the pozy combo you have (incl amiya) is 411%

which is why i was saying about -70% in best case for mr nothing

[stoic spoke]

[normal lava]

how important is dormitory upgrades?

[stoic spoke]

Does this also account for shamare decrease, and a reduced factory slot

[arctic prism]

pretty much useless, you dont want to upgrade unless you have power left over after upgrading left side

[normal lava]

ok bet

[stoic spoke]

-13% for shamare, and factory -35%, -14%

:hmmge:

[arctic prism]

factoring in shamare decrease -55% tp (mulberry) and -13% gold
for him reduced factory slot isnt a thing bc he's max left

but keep in mind you need to run 4 gold facs during the pozy shift

up to you if you really value that extra tp%

the tp% diff is even bigger if you're using whisperain anyways

[stoic spoke]

So what do you recommend

[arctic prism]

uh

there's a reason why all the max right people are using lv 2 tp

reason being tp is already too strong

fac% is valued higher especially since yall running out of gold all the time

so yea that's what i recommend

[stoic spoke]

I see

tp better for non max right

[arctic prism]

uh
id say fac is better for anyone that isnt max left but up to you, depends on whatever you value most

[pure goblet]

is this setup better or have 3 lv2 factories better

or less levels on trading post

[arctic prism]

they're technically equal from a % productivity standpoint it's just lv1 factory reaches cap really fast

so generally people like using lv2s

if you have proviso it's generally recommended to downgrade that instead of a factory

[pure goblet]

its producing gold so says itll take me 11 hours to cap it and totter slows down over time

i don't have proviso so i cant do that

[arctic prism]

still you arent really losing anything by using 2 lv2s so I would do that, in case you don't log in before the 11 hrs
you'll also get some power left over to upgrade a dorm or two if you want to do that

[pure goblet]

ah alr then

[vital oriole]

Gotcha

[vital oriole]

In an hour or two

[jaunty notch]

@vital oriole oh btw rr lv3 should be useless now kinda

new CN support unit feature

[pale yoke]

[stoic spoke]

[arctic prism]

[vital oriole]

wait what? Can I finally clear the beginners page? 👀

[jaunty notch]

New qol features:

• Let you pick full mastery level skills from non-friends
• Let you pick E2 even when squad doesn't have an E2 operator

ato friend cap upgrade too

so aside from having a 6* support slot in rr lv2, it's useless

[vital oriole]

oh, so you still have to do rr level 3 for Texas in the beginner missions?

[jaunty notch]

i mean if you care enough about that

just waiting to right side to be downgradable

[vital oriole]

still am

just would be nice to have the dailies be the default page for once lol

[jaunty notch]

[pale yoke]

ga-dammit the more qol they give on that prospect the worse it look for base beta design

[fluid pollen]

[valid storm]

they should redo the newbie quests

[spare pivot]

[keen gale]

I have 5 factory rn, is doing 2 exp and 3 gold worth? Or full gold?

[spare pivot]

2exp and 3gold works, you'll have surplus gold

I don't think it's recommended to go full gold

someone correct me if I'm wrong

[pallid isle]

tfw they make rr level somehow even less useful then it already was

[pale yoke]

they should redo the whole base

[pallid isle]

with additions such as vulpisfoglia suzuran combo, caper and now sankta miksaparto vigil has been so hard kicked to the curb its crazy as well

[pale yoke]

well vigil better off in TP anyway

[proper terrace]

So wtf r activity rooms r they useless?

[rigid plume]

They gain Trust.

Um

That's it actually.

[frank cipher]

trust speedrun so ppl can module asap
trust > mod/stat > cheese stage > safe 1 sanity not fail stage

5 activity room prob worth 5 sanity

[pale yoke]

☝️ 🤓 acksually they also allow you to take your ops out for a walk like a puppet, also sanity cap

but fr not much change

[uncut dome]

Packages sent

[pale yoke]

so soon?

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-c4-csgoc4-bomb-counter-strike-gif-15745242

[little ledge]

i hate it when a teamcomp doesnt have equal morale decrease

[jaunty notch]

when are you sending me the packages

[remote bison]

e2 miksa or bigil

[jaunty notch]

Miks

[vital oriole]

Sorry about the delay, was cleaning up the math a bit

If you really wanna see the numbers:

there definitely may be errors, but it should mostly be on point I believe

[stoic spoke]

Thankies

That passenger is only 25%

Upgrade training room instead

[vital oriole]

Tr2 isn't much better than 1

[valid storm]

training room? You don't need that, level 7 skills can clear all content

[stoic spoke]

Tr3

[stoic spoke]

Why though

So much pain can be avoided

[valid storm]

people love pain

that's why they run a half built base saying that their numbers are bigger

[normal lava]

wheres the other trading post?

[valid storm]

replace one of the power plants

[edgy valley]

Is it just me or does droning exp not show up in the daily reports? Been doing it for some time and contrary to gold or lmd it doesnt seem to matter if or when i drone xp. I know it doenst really matter as i get the xp anyway but beeg numbers and all that..

[chilly mirage]

@plain gust i fixed the problem and am now not having ops in the red, I think i just missed rotation a few hours back then. Anyways, I mostly ran efficiency of order in almost all except proviso, but I'll get her to e2 soon when I'm rich. So far, I'm satisfied with the results, 40k+ per day was all I was asking for tbh, I just didn't want 20k. Now for 2 days, it's like this so far (don't mind the 8k day, it was rwhen i was resting everyone 100%)

So yeah i think i cooked a bit, not as good as everyone here with 60k but I'm pretty satisfied already

Don't really wanna minmax my base too much tbh

[frank cipher]

it's show, like +6exp(might be wrong) 12gold(idk), 12-18k lmd(proviso) for full day drone

[inner monolith]

I have a question

What is good team with proviso

For lvl3 tp

[valid storm]

highest percent duo you can get

[inner monolith]

Oh okay thanks mate👍

[tidal cobalt]

do you guys bother using dorm skills?

[valid storm]

except for Fia... no

[plain gust]

That's already a bit improvement, glad to hear that

[oblique swan]

are snegurochka's base skills any good

[normal lava]

I still cant get the other trading post!!

[valid storm]

you need 2 level 3 powerplants

[normal lava]

ah gotchaa

[normal lava]

Okay so I got them now, but the problem is, it now says powerplants

and if I get another power plant its back to choosing a factory

or do I need to get my trading post to lvl.3 first?

[valid storm]

You should be able to build 1 trading post and another factory

[normal lava]

in my case its one powerplant and anotherfactory

[valid storm]

strange

[normal lava]

it has to be that I need a trade post lvl.3

that or I need control center lvl.5?

omg

I did not

see the arrows

LMAO

They were options to build

😭

best base is 252 right?

[haughty belfry]

yes

[fresh seal]

@haughty belfry how do I do the rotation?

[haughty belfry]

idk your ops

idk your base layout rn

share

[oblique swan]

xfis

[fresh seal]

I'm going to add what I have to krooster so I don't have to send so many images

[haughty belfry]

just import krooster

damn max left 🥹

the dream

[leaden grove]

Femn what are you gonna tell him that the pereryr video doesn’t cover

[haughty belfry]

idfk man

i'm bored and angry

[leaden grove]

There’s like a newbie friendly sample rotation spreadsheet somewhere

[toxic oracle]

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[leaden grove]

Skull emoji

[haughty belfry]

i mean he's a newbie not really that sophisticated

at most exu2 lemon combo

[normal lava]

https://www.krooster.com/network/lookup/neat-khaki-eel-958i

need help with rotations in the overview system thingy for base

oh and how much lmd and exp should I be expecting, will this be enough to not waste sanity in the farming stages?

[fresh seal]

@haughty belfry https://www.krooster.com/u/roshar

[haughty belfry]

did you import krooster or manually add ops in?

[fresh seal]

the game wouldn't let me bind the email

so yeah

manual

[normal lava]

should I also get center lvl.5? or does it not matter currently

[leaden grove]

Focus on base workers, /baseskills in #bot-spam then watch this for how to use them https://youtu.be/0si4HMQuYBo?si=zB2IrIxVfq50VaHS

It matters, get it to 5 when you can

[normal lava]

uh gotcha

[haughty belfry]

raise frostleaf shirayuki purestream quartz steward vigna to e1
castle-3 to lvl30
you should bind your email

[fresh seal]

I've already figured out what was wrong with the bind https://www.krooster.com/u/roshar

[leaden grove]

/baseskills in #bot-spam and/or noob tab in base combo guide, pinned link #4 in here

[haughty belfry]

i did space

[leaden grove]

I know

[normal lava]

do these even matter

[leaden grove]

But the “what to do” part is meaningless if he doesn’t raise them

@fresh seal

[haughty belfry]

drones

[normal lava]

also is control center lvl.5 the max?

[normal lava]

ohh

like capacity increase

?

[fresh seal]

im doing it

[haughty belfry]

yea

[normal lava]

gotchaa

[leaden grove]

If you try to follow a guide that says “put purestream in factory” but she’s e0 and you don’t see her in the factory menu, then you will naturally get confused

[haughty belfry]

honestly, space is right
if you don't learn how to do them yourself even with guides on the base combo spreadsheet, idk how you're gonna know if the ops you got just now fox example have better prod or combo

[normal lava]

whats the average amount u get if u have the minimum operators of baseskills for the base in 252 with max facilities? (assuming lvl.3 facility is max) if thats answerable

[haughty belfry]

what's the minimum operators of baseskills

[normal lava]

[haughty belfry]

you mean the worst or smt?

[leaden grove]

40k lmd, 25/30k exp

[normal lava]

like if im able to get whats accessible to me, such as low rarity ops

[haughty belfry]

[normal lava]

hm thats ctually not bad at all, I can finally stop wasting sanity

[leaden grove]

This is the baseline

[normal lava]

is this per 12 hrs or..?

[leaden grove]

Per day

[haughty belfry]

perday

[normal lava]

ah

[haughty belfry]

space i was gonna say innate prod

[leaden grove]

A “good” base is around 35k exp 60k lmd but requires a few key workers. Anything between 25-35k exp and 40-60k lmd per day is good, depending on progress

[normal lava]

okay theres a problem, I completely forgot about the training room
What should I do? or is it fine to neglect it for now?

or downgrade some factories

[leaden grove]

Lvl 1 is fine for a bit until you actually have the resources to do lvl 2 masteries

You will want to build your 4th dorm so downgrading a factory or 2 is gonna need to happen eventually, but it’s not a big deal

[normal lava]

gotcha

btw this is the correct way to do it right? max?

[leaden grove]

Yes, gold and exp automatically get refilled when you collect so no reason not to do max

Just note that even though it’s maxed, your facilities have capacity. So like, this factory can only hold 26 gold at a time

[normal lava]

noted

im watching the video rn, but how do I implement this to the new base feature, "overview".

i dont get how its used

but iirc its an automatic rotate when u press the rotate notification button

[leaden grove]

You just go facility by facility.

The new overview and presets feature just lets you remove some button clicks from the process, but the process is the same

[normal lava]

ah, so do I just create the presets based off from that image?

[leaden grove]

Not literally, but that’s the idea, yes

[normal lava]

this is a bit complex to manage when u have multiple operators that rotate and then needs to get refilled after morale is replenished

[fresh seal]

does adding an op who has no passive ability related to the room where they work serve any purpose, or is it pointless?

[toxic oracle]

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[normal lava]

i dont have enough ops to put in the slots for th elvl 3 facts lmao

[leaden grove]

Let’s say you have your primary team which is ABC, and your secondary team which is CDE.

you used to have to remove AB and replace them with DE.

Now you just set each in a preset and then press the rotate button

[normal lava]

ah I see, but theres so much facilities and the ordering is a bit difficult when u want each of em to rotate right? especially if u dont the sufficient ops.
But i'll see to workaround that

something like this

right?

sorry for the masive images but like-

[leaden grove]

You would want to stagger them but yes.

As the video says, if you rotate your entire base from an A team to a B team, that would mean you need like 25 ops to rest, but there are only 20 dorm slots, so you stagger them

Here is an example. I have my A team and B team but they are split between shifts, like a relay race.

As for having enough factory workers, just check base combo guide noob noob again and make sure you have everyone. If you do then move to the proper factory tab and try to get all the cheap (good skills at e0/e) workers you can

[normal lava]

you have three teams in there, but out of the six facilities, how are you rotating them in pattern?? Im sorry but this alll too confusing for me 😭
I think its just best to let me figure it out passively or something or later

also does assigning ops in control center matter?

[fresh seal]

I feel you bro

[normal lava]

(asiding the assistants for trust)

[fresh seal]

I understand how the passives works, the problem is how to do the rotation and the combos

[toxic oracle]

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[normal lava]

oo

[leaden grove]

This is just one factory. Each “shift” is 12 hours and each shift sends someone to the dorms to rest, and replaces them with someone who was in dorms.
So for this factory I have my six workers, ABCDEF,

So hour 0 is ABC
Hour 12 is ADE
Hour 24 is FBC
Then hour 36 is back to the beginning.

It’s hard to explain because like, it’s exactly the same as the video… the only difference is making it fit into the new base preset framework… once you do that it’s even easier

[normal lava]

I'll just use google doc and sort it out lol but that does help me understand it a bit better

[leaden grove]

Just do what I did…. Watch the video on repeat until you understand through brute force

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[normal lava]

last question is this the formation/presets you put exactly for every facility or is it slightly different by order but the same ops?

[fresh seal]

I assume some of those operators between shifts work in other factories

[normal lava]

thats what im thinking too

[fresh seal]

that blows my mind

[leaden grove]

They go to the dorm to refill their moral

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[normal lava]

[leaden grove]

If there was no moral, you could just run your 3 best workers all the time forever and not worry about it, but they need to go to dorms to sleep and refill. And the best way to do that is through staggered rotations

[normal lava]

😔

[toxic oracle]

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[normal lava]

thats where the rotate and rest ops are

we get that

the question is

with that many formations, are those ops also going into different fcilities which means are all ur formation for those facilities the same ops?

and they rotate differently whichever is available or..?

aaaa

[leaden grove]

No, that’s impossible… because they run out of moral.

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[fresh seal]

all done

[haughty belfry]

noway

[normal lava]

hmm ok.. I give up lmao I'll just learn it the hard way

[toxic oracle]

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[leaden grove]

What do you mean hard way

What is the hard way

[normal lava]

rewatching the video and sorting the ops etc etc repetively till I understood how the order and pattern/rotations work

cuz u have six facilities

and you put like 9 ops in each facility

[fresh seal]

https://www.krooster.com/u/roshar

[normal lava]

with rotations in mind ig

[leaden grove]

There aren’t enough workers for that. Which is why the video talks about staggering

[normal lava]

yeah alright well thx anyways, this base stuff is truly something else for experience

[haughty belfry]

yea imagine doing all this stuff yourself without ako, i did lmao

[leaden grove]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ohry3zj-9clEBE_qiD-IJzKcs8bSZBIkD858ehn3-90/edit?gid=1195647200#gid=1195647200

here's another visual, idk if it will help

[gentle jewel]

Hello there! I have been playing since the 5.5 anniversary and so far I've been using the 243 setup, but since I got Proviso while pulling for Exu2/Lemuen I was thinking about switching to 252 to use Shamare+Tequila+Bibeak and Proviso+single worker lvl2 TP
I was looking at a video about moving from 243 to 252, but my question is more about which factory combos work better to sustain the 252

[haughty belfry]

@fresh seal this

[leaden grove]

there arent many differences, aside from using less 3-op teams, and some specific skills that rely on the number of norm levels or powerplants change

[normal lava]

Oh this actually helps a lot visually ty

[leaden grove]

as you can see it's the same principle as the video, it just gives a top down overview

i can see how it helps

[waxen temple]

What does r.i.i.c stands for?

Im stupid

[leaden grove]

look at the channel name

[waxen temple]

Ah.

[leaden grove]

or click on it if mobile

[waxen temple]

Im really that stupid.

Xd

[leaden grove]

[gentle jewel]

I see, I see! How about the recipe split between gold and exp with the 5 factories?

[leaden grove]

since you have proviso, you will almost certainly want 3 gold facs, 2 exp facs. which ones the lvl 3 factories make is up to you and your best combos

[gentle jewel]

So I guess the setup would be something like

1 lvl3 TP
1 lvl2 TP

3 lvl 3 FAC
2 lvl 2 FAC

Dorms to 2111

[leaden grove]

if you have RR and office lvl 3, then yes

[gentle jewel]

yeah, I have the right side fully maxed out

[leaden grove]

im assuming you meant TP on those first 2

[gentle jewel]

oh whoops

[fresh seal]

oh...

[gentle jewel]

yeah, I did

[leaden grove]

lol its okay, i figured

well I think max right gets 2x lv 3 fac, 3x lvl 2 fac

but you get the idea

[gentle jewel]

yep, if you keep the lvl3 TP

but if you downgrade it to 2 for proviso you should be able to upgrade the 3rd FAC, right?

[gentle jewel]

Nevermind, I'm stupid lol

[leaden grove]

i saw that lol

[gentle jewel]

Well, only two tier 3 FACs seems painful...
I guess having the extra factory makes up for it

[leaden grove]

it more than does, yep

[fresh seal]

why do you have 3 lvl 2 factories?

[gentle jewel]

Is there some sort of updated planner where I can plan my rotations and stuff? I wanna try out making rotations online without messing with mine in game

[leaden grove]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14WzOA_cNpvG_PCHrtpxBgBpQWh4I1_TRgFPqk12W_lo/edit#gid=0

[leaden grove]

the best layout doesnt have 3 powerplants. type /base in #bot-spam, it explains it

[fresh seal]

I didn't say anything about pp

[leaden grove]

[gentle jewel]

the lack of third pp doesn't let you fully upgrade factories if you have fully upgraded right side

[fresh seal]

oh

damn

[gentle jewel]

Also, thanks!

[leaden grove]

no problem, I was working on rotations for an embarassingly long time before realizing that this document actually was lol

[fresh seal]

I'm going to wait until all my ops have maximum morale before placing them properly

[fresh seal]

This helps a lot

[jaunty temple]

Hey @leaden grove fix my base

[fresh seal]

Shouldn't it be 3 xp and 2 gold?

[leaden grove]

you can change it to suit your needs and match your base

[fresh seal]

What is this for?

[gentle jewel]

Trust

the ops assigned there get trust twice a day

Is Diamante's skill much worse than Kafka if I wanted to have someone to rotate in while Bibeak is resting?

I don't have Kafka nor Paprika

[jaunty temple]

How are these base rotations? I just need to add one more person in

[leaden grove]

theyre all the same, he just has the 600 red cert debuff if you dont have him

[jaunty temple]

Forgot to add one

[leaden grove]

pinned link #4

[jaunty temple]

Are you talking to me? Lol

The 4th pin is a guide to build optimal base not for base workers

[leaden grove]

it has every single relevant worker in the game

[jaunty temple]

This is the 4th pin

[leaden grove]

pinned link

not 4th channel pin

[jaunty temple]

Ah okay haha that wasn't clear. Thanks

[fresh seal]

Can Proviso be permanently in a tp?

The person who made the sheet didn't remove Proviso in any shift

[leaden grove]

The point of the sheet is that you make a copy and use your base and your operators to figure out your own personal optimal rotation schedule

But yes, you can if you use fiametta on proviso. She has a skill that instantly swaps moral

[fresh seal]

In the long run, what's better: 3 FAC for xp and 2 FAC for gold, or vice versa?

[leaden grove]

It just depends how much gold your trading posts need. If you don’t have proviso, you can probably do 3 exp no problem. If you do, you will probably have to do 3 gold

[fresh seal]

I'm reading the comments on this video and I'm seeing people who have been playing for 4 years saying that everything being said seems alien to them XDDD

[fresh seal]

Wouldn't op F be unnecessary? sfter rewatching the video, I remembered this that you said

[leaden grove]

Sure, that was just an example to illustrate it

[fresh seal]

I'm starting to understand it, but I have a problem, I don't have enough ops to make good combos

[leaden grove]

I mean when you’re new, you’ll only have basic combos. It’ll mostly be general workers, like in the video

[fresh seal]

So 5 ops is more than enough, right?

[leaden grove]

It is enough, for a 3 slot facility

[fresh seal]

Yes, one thing that bothers me is that the base ops' buffs can't be seen from outside the base, and if you don't have e1 or e2, you can't see how they improve

[leaden grove]

That’s what the spreadsheet is for. There’s also the wiki

[fresh seal]

How often do they add qol?

[leaden grove]

Every few months i guess

[fresh seal]

@leaden grove I don't have enough ops to do a 5 op rotation per factory, even though the factories are at level 3, I shouldn't really lose anything by doing this rotation, right?

AB
CB
CA

I think it's better to have the operators with good passive skills work this way than to crowd them all into two factories and leave the others empty

[leaden grove]

You looked through the noob and factory tabs in the base combo guide?

[fresh seal]

yep

[leaden grove]

Then sure I guess

[fresh seal]

I'm missing key ops like Gravel, Roberta, Totter, Scene and many more which are 4*

[leaden grove]

Well you will get them, you can ignore scene btw

[fresh seal]

@leaden grove Is the order limit that some ops have for the TP important?

I don't think I understand what it contributes and I never stopped to think about what it does

[leaden grove]

Capacity, it’s like however many orders you can let pile up before you have to collect. It’s mostly useless but some skills synergize with it

[fresh seal]

That's exactly what I was thinking, that if it's about generating an order while the current one is being "processed," it's kind of useless

[queen flicker]

why are you not doing a 4 op rotation tho?

oh nvm seems like you already figure it out

[weak fiber]

Anyone knows if two lvl 3 and one lvl 2 facs are enough for gold generation for proviso if the base slaves are all basic ones that newbies build the recc 4* in the sheet

[weak fiber]

Is Purestream haze totter a good preset?

[frank cipher]

depend on wat tp is proviso n %.
run in lvl2, tp/gold% ratio 1:3.6
now do the meth

[weak fiber]

Exp
Fac lvl 3 n1
Vermil noir corne beanstalk
Yato click fang alter

Fac lvl 3 n2
E0 Vigna shirayuki frostleaf
Roberta steward fang

Gold
Fac lvl 3 n1
Purestream haze totter
Kroos popkar Ptilopsis

Fac lvl 3 n2
Silence gravel vanilla
Aste cuora meteor

Fac lvl 2
Jessica spot
Prefurmer wulf

Tp lvl 2
Proviso quartz
Silverash mouse
Tp lvl 3
Exu alter lemon adna
Gummy midnight catapult
Is this a decent set up for newbies in your opinion?

[frank cipher]

~~idk never experience ~~
should be fine tp/fac hit 95-100% on main team

[weak fiber]

So i don't need to change anything?

[frank cipher]

if you still using 25% op mean still lack good base skil

[weak fiber]

Tbh i didn't understand

Sry

[frank cipher]

no need to change unless you got better operator to change from 25% to 30% which you're lacking

[fluid pollen]

Wow pretty looking report for once.

[copper raft]

Excuse me, my base is a 2-5-2 formation with 4 gold factories. By using the pozyomka+kirara+tuye team and 4 durins in the base, I can achieve the TP performance shown in the picture. If I could have 5 durins, would there be any significant changes?

[jaunty notch]

pozy caps at 4 durins

[copper raft]

Ahh, so that's Pozy's best performance. Okay then, thanks.

btw, this is a report from my base, is there a report with a better lmd? If so, I'd like to know how the base is set up. Of course, gold and exp must still run.

[pale yoke]

[arctic prism]

[ember zinc]

For Vermiel’s base skill, is it better to use Vermiel + Ms Christine + Tragodia or use Vermiel + Scene + Executor Alter (No Pallas/Ceobe)

Iirc Scene has better efficiency after 6 hours, but can only work for 36 hours whilst tragodia team can work for 60 hours

Is the better uptime worth the sacrifice for the lower average efficiency?

[pallid isle]

pretty much yes

its 101% vs 106% so its not really drastic but overtime its just better for scene

also if you use 3 35% then your getting 105% without any rampup anyway

[hollow mural]

currently I have no 6 stars left to upgrade like I just need to use lmd when the new op drops. Is it good idea to change to 1 TP and 4 exp fac, 1 gold fac? Is the exp fac a reliable way to avoid farm supply stage?

[frank cipher]

use intelligence cert?

[hollow mural]

I want to save it for mat, mat has random drop rates 🙁

[frank cipher]

me too tho mat update when rerun and rerun intelligence cert probably surpass mat and spend rest on lmd/exp
imho better run best eff layout, never know which you need later

[pallid isle]

you really shouldn't be ever farming on ls6 or ce6 if thats what your asking. Depending on how many gold bars you saved up switching to 3 exp 2 gold factory or even 4 if your really wanting to burn everything VERY fast.

But I suppose if your doing 1 tp your doing the whale 153 setup soooooo your farming anyway

Its kinda just whatever your goals are. Eventually it is true that more exp factories will be better since everything leans towards lmd bound

its just sort of at what point and your long term goals

[finite magnet]

can someone please show their base which is setup for max idle output?

[leaden grove]

There is a “once per 24 hr login” base rotation guide floating around somewhere, but it uhhh, sucks

[finite magnet]

i was following the 4th pin build

but i have more energy which is being unused rn atm

so i wanted to know how you guys are building

[blazing lava]

hello! is it still possible to do a good 252 if i have accidentally upgrade the office to lv2

[leaden grove]

Yes

All 252 is good 252

and if office and reception room are not lvl 3, it’s still a great 252

@blazing lava

[blazing lava]

oh oki, thabks!! i guess i might miss out on a lv3 factory thou

[fresh seal]

The last step to upgrade the base requires me to upgrade the TR to level 3, which costs 10 purple boxes. I only need one more room to have 10 rooms at level 3 so I can upgrade the CC to level 5. The thing is, I have a TP at level 2, and upgrading it to level 3 costs 5 purple boxes. Can I upgrade the TP to level 3 to unlock the CC upgrade to level 5 and then downgrade the TP? I'll upgrade the TR later

[vital oriole]

even better, upgrade TP and never upgrade TR

[fresh seal]

Wasn't it mandatory to upgrade TR to the maximum level for later on?

[vital oriole]

been playing with TR level 1 for 5 years now lol

[fresh seal]

oh, I thought it unlocks the power to further enhance the ops' abilities, so what does it does?

[vital oriole]

exactly as you say

[fresh seal]

oh

[vital oriole]

just not needed to actually clear stuff

its nice, but resources are more nice imo

[fresh seal]

I see, so you decided you didn't need to further improve your ops' skills

[vital oriole]

only one event has ever needed m3 skills, and it was a single for-fun stage that happened once ~2 years ago, Design of Strife's S-3 stage

and you didn't actually need to clear it to get any rewards

can also be nice in IS, but I do fine at high difficulties without

[fresh seal]

Okay, can I do what I said or not? Downgrade the TP after upgrading the CC to level 5

[vital oriole]

You can downgrade the TP

Can never downgrade the TR though

[finite magnet]

any help on this will be appreciated

[fresh seal]

@leaden grove is using ops whose passive ability consists of increasing the morale regeneration of other ops in dormitories irrelevant?

[jaunty notch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m57S3xmndGTXbgZcYP2onNepsoTUIBxkiRlt73YTQXM/edit#gid=1227180201

old idea, but generally people rotate 12h

[little ledge]

How to 252 and also full upgrade right side

[rigid plume]

You don't touch right unless it's Workshop and Training Room.

One TR to Lv3, one leave as Lv2 for Proviso.

Downgrade all Dorms to Lv1, with essential Power upgrade Facs as much as you can.

[valid storm]

And training room isn't necessary, it's just to make the clears less challenging

[little ledge]

Ok so 1 TP and 1 Factory for now?

[fresh seal]

https://imgur.com/gallery/steps-to-351-252-ml-by-bgacer-wgzs-pics-995Uj1c

[pale yoke]

[little ledge]

is mitm not recommended for shamare team?

[rigid plume]

E0-E1 fine, E2 you basically lose second base skill by having him with Shamare.

[rigid plume]

With Ambriel and Yato or any strong team except Proviso or Shamare, yes.

I would take Gummy

[little ledge]

Who can I pair with Proviso for now?

[rigid plume]

Because she has 35 (?)

[little ledge]

30+ -0.25

[rigid plume]

Oh

Alr

Gummy and Mouuse, maybe

[little ledge]

Pick one,my tp is lvl 2

[rigid plume]

Gummy

[little ledge]

And i'm broke i need to grind

[rigid plume]

Then neither

And assign more ops for Gold Facs

[little ledge]

Proviso doesnt work optimally when E0?

[rigid plume]

Just skill is weaker