help

[undone portal]

interesting choice to level all 3 and then ask this question

[spare jetty]

misinfoing newbies

[snow siren]

Who's a good Laterano operator to replace Zuo Le with?

[nimble kite]

None. Make him sit still.

[pale field]

i used both 5 stars in my team

[wraith sentinel]

Confess-47 my goat.

[opaque remnant]

I’m more confused about Delphine

[snow siren]

They said Confess 47

[opaque remnant]

She does look awesome but like

[spare jetty]

look at her kit

[wraith sentinel]

Oh, I didn't mean it seriously, Confess-47 is a Robot.

[proven kelp]

Executor Alter

[opaque remnant]

It’s literally there

[nimble kite]

Wanna look at him and what he provides?

[quick jolt]

fae reccing a male who are you

[proven kelp]

Oh
I didn't even see him cuz of the skin

[spare jetty]

omg

[nimble kite]

Thankfully he didn't recc Insider.

[snow siren]

Doesn't look that good.

[proven kelp]

I act differently depending on the people
I recommend bad stuff on old people

[nimble kite]

Then he will recc a twink boi!

[wintry steppe]

Is Lumen worth E2 ing as a 6* medic?

[spare jetty]

no

[undone portal]

i would recc miksaparato in a heartbeat if it didnt mean waiting 6months

[nimble kite]

No shit Sherlock?

Once again, leave Zuo alone.

[opaque remnant]

There is also miksa…

[quick jolt]

miksa is there tho

[undone portal]

oh im blind

[opaque remnant]

I’m convinced EN is blind

[undone portal]

no no thats just me
-# clinically

[spare jetty]

what r we at? sensory blindness?

[snow siren]

But Zuo isn't gonna benefit here and I'm not keen on using 2 unhealables at once

[quick jolt]

im the one whos been awake for like 30 hours and i noticed him 🙄

[proven kelp]

Mael skin is just ass so they're camouflage

[opaque remnant]

Wait, you’re going for team synergies?

[nimble kite]

Honestly, we already saw an even more weaker slot... which is Delphine.

[wintry steppe]

So E1 him is enough? Or just abandon him at level 1?

[spare jetty]

r we really disableds

[proven kelp]

Just use a different medic

[undone portal]

yes

[opaque remnant]

Isn’t the laterano synergy pretty meh

[snow siren]

Delphine is broken, trust.
I'm just looking for a better Laterano but if they don't exist that sucks.

[undone portal]

best synergy if only because they have exualt/lemuen

[spare jetty]

does that means we can park at a reserve spot for disableds

[proven kelp]

I mean
Any synergy except for AH and Ave are ass lol

Literally nothing else has anything buffing each other, they're just carried by strong individual op

[quick jolt]

its good because of the ops in it, not because of how they interact with eachother, which is infact mid

[nimble kite]

Well, I could shill Insider for you, but I won't recommend pick him over ZuoLe.

Although the squad is your, so up to you.

[wraith sentinel]

Chiave Robot synergy, trust.

[undone portal]

oh right, chiave finally gets his 8th robot

[opaque remnant]

Gotta wait for another laterano event for new 6 stars

[snow siren]

Who's insider? I don't think I promoted them, are they good?

[quick jolt]

[opaque remnant]

Short answer no

[wraith sentinel]

Guide Ahead welfare.

[nimble kite]

Welfare from Hortus. Another Marksman.

[proven kelp]

The closest 2nd synergy is Kazi with Mlynar doing True Dmg and Gravel being a budget frd

[snow siren]

Oh, NVM I do have insider, I forgor ok I got him E2

[hoary bramble]

robot only drops with robot tag?

[quick jolt]

ONE of you is lying

[wraith sentinel]

Oh wait, I'm thinking of Enforcer, oops.

[wooden juniper]

Why can't I get these ores? Do I have to get to a certain point in the game to collect them?

[formal shadow]

also elem tag

[nimble kite]

Exactly. You didn't get a patent to farm it.

[lunar apex]

1h recruit do work as well but its less guaranteed than getting robot tag

[opaque remnant]

Cant you just use base exu at that point if you’re going to pick a marksman

[undone portal]

yes, progress story first

[wraith sentinel]

Sniper + Support guarantees Justice Knight if you don't set the timer too high.

[wooden juniper]

Ohhhh I seee

[proven kelp]

I'd rather just get Fia if you're forcing the Laterano ops

[snow siren]

If Ambriel uses her full map ability, does Lemuen's ability also work with that?

[undone portal]

unfortunately no

[nimble kite]

Nope.

[opaque remnant]

Ah, the fia on the fia scale

Yeah, fia is probably more useful

[lunar apex]

just play lateraknight at this point

[nimble kite]

Fia shill!

[wraith sentinel]

Global range unfortunately doesn't actually increase their attack range (the orange preview tiles), only sometimes decreases it.

[nimble kite]

Actually S2M3 ModX3 gamin with that fat duck.

[proven kelp]

Mlynar is how many Fia again? 2? Or 0.2 I don't remember

[raven ermine]

mlynar was 0.7 fias

[proven kelp]

Ohh

[undone portal]

what is fia scale im uneducated

[proven kelp]

Close enough
Damn such a bum of a unit

[spare jetty]

pls explain

[quick jolt]

me too i didnt wanna say it though

[snow siren]

Should I use Fiametta, Archetto or Insider?

[opaque remnant]

Fia is probably the most useful one

[undone portal]

id pick fia

[raven ermine]

Some content creator at some point compared mlynar to fia, saying he was 0.7 fias worth
it stuck around
Mostly because of the absurdity of the claim

[nimble kite]

Oh ya have Chetto? Good in IS btw.

[snow siren]

I only have fiametta at E2, I haven't done anything else with her.

[quick jolt]

let me guess, around mlynar release and people thinking hes not good?

[proven kelp]

I honestly don't remember who it was
But they're were pretty popular

[raven ermine]

Spot on

[nimble kite]

I saw buffing YatoAlter with Stainless S1, I'd live that.

[quick jolt]

im so good at predicting behaviour of ak community

[undone portal]

same era as people saying cantabile > ines keep in mind

[opaque remnant]

What

[quick jolt]

they went into the future and saw is5 pls understand

[undone portal]

ines was Heavily undersold on release because nobody thought to look at s2

[opaque remnant]

Doesn’t that apply to most utility based units

[proven kelp]

Could be worse
It could be like Ascalon

[quick jolt]

blindly pulling her without knowing if shes good or not was the best decision i ever made. guarantee ppl wouldve told me to skip for typhon or some shit

[undone portal]

i mean, i think people caught on for tragodia/ascalon almost immediately

[opaque remnant]

Do you think the perspective of bellone would change if people actually remembered S2 exists

[proven kelp]

Ew no

[raven ermine]

Ascalon was heavily dismissed on her release

[undone portal]

i am witnessing the utility = undervalued phenomenon occur in real time for kal'alt though

[raven ermine]

People used s3 as a mean of comparison against mlynar

[opaque remnant]

Ok then, the yaoi stays in Italy

[quick jolt]

i feel like ppl lowkey did know how good asca was though. she just picked the absolute fucking worst time in history to release

[proven kelp]

I'd shit on balloon even if he somehow got a realization

[spare jetty]

both times sitting right behind good banners

[glossy schooner]

Because a letter named bitch came in like a literal nuclear bomb right?

[quick jolt]

nevermind i do NOT remember this wtf

[opaque remnant]

Who was she after in her rerun again

[proven kelp]

Yee
The Ascalon agenda was on s3 for a long while

[quick jolt]

she was the banner before exualt lol
after releasing as the banner before wis

[raven ermine]

No, because it took a while for players to realize s2 was the shit and not stinky s3

[undone portal]

yea, people absolutely knew ascalon was good, people were just hesitant to pull right before anni and were immediately justified when they dropped the dps meta equivalents of fat man and little boy (read: wis'adel/logos) immediately after

[opaque remnant]

Wow HG really did her dirty

Reminds me of leizi2

[knotty wave]

thats just how it is when your banner is right before a limited banner. You just become a defacto bait banner

[quick jolt]

2 times she had her banner before a top3 unit. incredible legacy

[nimble kite]

Remember the Dorothy?

[wraith sentinel]

I skipped Tragodia for her.

[opaque remnant]

A respectful decision

I do wish she wasn’t a vignette so there’d be an actual rerun…

[vast estuary]

Hi, I have a question. Why isn't the achievement profile for protocol showing no more than 15 strategies for special icons? I'm on my way to 18th special icon farm and the screen is stuck at 15. Is it just the maximum it would show?

[proven kelp]

I don't really think being Limited affects people that much for Ascalon recommendations, since before Wis release, alot of Limiteds haven't really reached the today's standards for them, they're still just good but not game breaking good

It's just they're hyper focused on s3 for a while

[spare jetty]

3 if ur doing is5 ed2

then 1

[undone portal]

check bottom right, refreshes daily
if you got these in just today, thats why

[nimble kite]

She's mostly dead, use Click instead.

[vast estuary]

I see I see ty I guess I'll try as much icon grind as I can from the 30 strats

[obtuse obsidian]

If he already raised amiya to E1 then tbh no reason to waste more on click

[keen osprey]

Is Lumen okay to build if I only have Mon3tr and Ptilopsis as healers? I’m planning to replace Ptilopsis since her healing is really weak.

[obtuse obsidian]

No

[plain hemlock]

S1 for general use, S3 for when you need the true damage

[quick jolt]

mon3tr alone is more than enough, ptilopsis is perfectly fine as your 2nd medic. i dont see you ever needing a 3rd

[obtuse obsidian]

S2 cycle suck ass

[undone portal]

youre gonna be shocked when i tell you lumens healing is usually even weaker

[glossy schooner]

Lumen’s healing is worse then Ptilo and Sussuro

[nimble kite]

Regardless, you shouldn't bother with him in any case.

[obtuse obsidian]

Tbf he win in consistence healing

Tho thats mostly irrelevant if you click buttons

[plain hemlock]

Hard to control timing and bad cycle

[brazen gulch]

how so

[rocky pilot]

I only seen lumen being used in maleknights
Other than that nothing else

[obtuse obsidian]

If you click ptilo s2 she heal more then lumen

[keen osprey]

Alright, thanks everyone

[nimble kite]

Weak number to compensate his "unlimited" duration skill.

[marble viper]

[marble viper]

haruka could never

[nimble kite]

Yeah, exactly.

[wraith sentinel]

Whisperain.

[rocky pilot]

Near 1k hp sounds good at first but like his atk spd is the problem from my case using him

[obtuse obsidian]

Haruka heal less then both in supporter ban

[marble viper]

[undone portal]

accurate representation of what e2 whisperain did to my rock supply

[ocean mulch]

Isn't Haruka main advantage is her sanctuary bubble?

[wraith sentinel]

She's on the list to E2 at some point... too pretty not to.

[obtuse obsidian]

I still cant forget how lumen lost The anti stun battle to 5 star therepists

[opaque remnant]

What

[wraith sentinel]

It's a big part but her healing even without it is pretty good.

Plus unlimited duration targeting three.

[undone portal]

lumen has to swap to s1 to not immediately lose all his onskill hps against any stage that pressures you too much with negative status. feels bad

[obtuse obsidian]

The one time people wanted anti stun is VS izumik

But people ended up using whispern or nowell

[opaque remnant]

“Supporter abjurer” my ass

[undone portal]

haruka is basically nightingale with none of the downtime and she works on phys dmg

[wraith sentinel]

Hand of Buckler can be funny with Haruka.

[undone portal]

buckler applies to bubble pops? thats new

[opaque remnant]

Silencealt powercreep in every single way

[ocean mulch]

If I remember frozen blue box can get a bubble

[opaque remnant]

Everything can

[marble viper]

[obtuse obsidian]

Silence alt is actually super good still

As agile stacker

[wraith sentinel]

I might have mistaken it (IS can get a bit chaotic) but I think so yeah.

[undone portal]

not every way, haruka cant give immortality
hoshialt powercrept that part

[ocean mulch]

How long is Silence Immortality?

[urban sleet]

You are immortal if you kill everuthing before it kills you

[marble viper]

so they complement each other

[undone portal]

10sec. ..just like hoshialt

[marble viper]

red mist be like:

[wraith sentinel]

Hoshiguma is 11s.

[undone portal]

ok how about this. haruka cant give 72% sanctuary

[opaque remnant]

Wow, she even powercrept it in duration

[ocean mulch]

Gebura had been powercreep wdym

[obtuse obsidian]

2 second longer Then alpha specter
Another specter L

[ocean mulch]

Speaking of, How does the Stronghold Aegir stack works?

[opaque remnant]

Counterpoint is she has to actually cycle skills unlike haruka

[glass mural]

You nom on each other.

Make the final person nomming on others do carrying

[opaque remnant]

High HPS, damage res, multi target, what more could you ask for, silencealt got buried even further

[obtuse obsidian]

Andreana will beat those drones

Surely

[ocean mulch]

She let all drones past

[undone portal]

tl:dr Consume Of The Flesh
aegir ops eat whoevers in front of them and steal their atk/block. you might just survive if you can tank 6k phys damage. let your specters do the alliance stacking by being the ones getting eaten

[obtuse obsidian]

Agir strat is making an aegir exu cause their units sucks

[undone portal]

surely skadialt s3 will kill one of these days

[wispy ridge]

hi how to finish this on the event

[opaque remnant]

Just finish the missions

[nimble kite]

You know the mission list? Where "gain some stacks".

[undone portal]

check objectives list in bottom left of stronghold menu, above the battlepass rewards
draft warfarin, check her stronghold attribute and farm stacks accordingly

[hoary bramble]

how to make IS6 less pain early game?

[nimble kite]

Borrow Wisadel.

[undone portal]

borrow wis'adel/tragodia, raise your 4stars

[hoary bramble]

that's what im doing and still getting cooked

[snow siren]

Why doesn't his skill taunt?

[signal yarrow]

is there guide on reclamation algo?

[nimble kite]

Skill issue then. Learn the maps.

[nimble kite]

Idk, ask Hai Mao.

[undone portal]

because hg said so just deploy him last or smth

[opaque remnant]

Isn’t exualt/trag better

[nimble kite]

Wis is "easier".

[undone portal]

exualt opener doesnt really feel comfortable until youve got a built raidian i feel

[nimble kite]

[signal yarrow]

is there guide on reclamation algo?

[undone portal]

#reclamation-algorithm-hub pins

[urban sleet]

Pimned guide in #is-station

[signal yarrow]

thank you

[nimble kite]

Rush South from West.

[sonic crown]

What do yall think about this base?

[severe crypt]

…

[sonic crown]

Terrible i know

[nimble kite]

Not even 243.

[severe crypt]

This is like getting negative mass on a physics problem

[sonic crown]

So like i must get 2 power plant,3 TP and 4 factory

If i remember

[hoary bramble]

2 pp 5 fac 2 tp

[raven ermine]

no
2 tp 5 facs 2 powerplants

[nimble kite]

2 Trading Posts, 5 Factories and 2 Powerplants.

[sonic crown]

But it say 243

[nimble kite]

I know, I just said that because you made 333.

[raven ermine]

252 > 243 > the rest
The order is tp fac pp

[severe crypt]

Like he meant you got the really wrong answer

[nimble kite]

And you read it wrong.
Trading > Fac > Powerplant

[undone portal]

like, its not even the 'normal' wrong answer

[hoary bramble]

💔 lvl 3 dorms rr and office 😭

[sonic crown]

Question why i need 5 Factory?

[severe crypt]

Negative mass on a physics problem

[random shard]

Do you not like exp and lmd

[sonic crown]

I like them

[nimble kite]

Why not? It's extra EXP and Gold Bar gain.

[random shard]

You need enough factories to be producing both adequate exp and enough gold to feed your trading posts

It's very hard to do with 4 factories much less 3

[snow siren]

Will he get a module that makes him more likely to get attacked?

[formal shadow]

X doesn't and Y doesn't so it's not likely

[undone portal]

2nd mod doesnt do that either so, idk pray for is mod
deploying your defenders last isnt really a tall ask. its arknights fundamentals even

[formal shadow]

modY sentinel effect seems a bit tacked on. feels weird when like half of them have skills that extend themselves by 1-2 tiles already

[snow siren]

Not for specific enemies but more general enemies like archers

[random shard]

This won't be 1:1 since you're on 3/3/3 but here is the idea for converting https://youtu.be/sBw1UW03crs?si=lfmW2q75HK8EHem6

[undone portal]

deploying last usually draws aggro from archers

[undone portal]

it really does both jessicalt/miksa get nothing out of it on their main skills

[opaque remnant]

Oh, so one dorm being level 2 is normal, it’s just that it looks so off when everything else is level 1…

[random shard]

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say you don't have very good base workers so go to #bot-spam and type /baseskills and max level(2/3*)/e1 (4*) those op

[sonic crown]

Thanks mN

[undone portal]

sentinels wouldve much preferred a 'damage boost in front' type module a la heavyshooters, i imagine

[sonic crown]

Like this?

[random shard]

Last step would be going to #r-i-i-c pin number 4 and looking at the noob tab for a beginner setup, there is another pin for how to do rotations

[random shard]

That's the same picture it didn't get better

[sonic crown]

Oh wait

All my dorm is lvl 1

[hardy pasture]

This looks right

[nimble kite]

Now you're good.

[random shard]

Take one of the factories to 2 and level those lvl1 factories
OR
If you have proviso you also want to take a trading post to 2 and make another the two level 1 factories level 2

[tidal vale]

she any good

[nimble kite]

Not really

[wraith sentinel]

She's decent for a 4*.

[hardy pasture]

If you are 4/5 Star only

[tidal vale]

what

[undone portal]

only at full investment, which makes me inclined to avoid recommending

[hardy pasture]

Appearently Fully is not a word

[opaque remnant]

Used for gold cert farming in recruitment

[tidal vale]

wow!

[wraith sentinel]

True enough, though I find she does alright early on as well.

[opaque remnant]

It’s not a very efficient method

[sonic crown]

Ok like i must set my factory to 2 training Exp and rest is gold

[tidal vale]

2 gold 2 xp 1 whatever i think

[random shard]

Yeah it'll depend on your exact needs. The idea is you have 2 for each and one flexible one for if you need extra gold or exp

Which goes in your level 3 factory will largely depend on which teams you have are the best as most require 3 ops

[karmic beacon]

Which Silverash alter skill to m3?

[sonic crown]

What is the 3 OPS best at base

[random shard]

#r-i-i-c pins. Number 4. Me telling you what's best is useless since you need the ops in the first place

[wraith sentinel]

S3, the Mastery gains on S2 are pretty small.

[pearl forge]

I want to get a couple units that synergize well with sa2 s2. Probably I'm aiming for ulpianos and also 1 additional frd. Currently I don't have any frds. Is my best choice Kirin yato in 6 month?

[blazing mist]

how many green certs is it to buy out the second level of shop

[random shard]

Best choice is just playing normally and enjoying extra swooshes

[hardy pasture]

Just use Crownslayer tbh.

[ivory terrace]

insane amount

[opaque remnant]

Not recommended to buy it out

[blazing mist]

yeah but i have 11k and the number keeps going up

[random shard]

Iirc you want at least 20-25k+ before you bother

[ivory terrace]

just buy mats as needed ig
3rd phase is designed to bleed ur certs dry

[opaque remnant]

Better to just keep it for buying specific mats and buying out the T1 shop each time

[sonic crown]

Oh well i Made mistake in early game by upgrade office to lvl 3

[blazing mist]

i honestly never buy mats, might start lol

[opaque remnant]

The 3rd phase is bait

[random shard]

Yes you're already max right but 2/5/2 max right is still better than 2/4/3 or 3/3/3. It's fine.

[blazing mist]

usually i just buy out t1 and the pulls from t2 but again, 11k lol

[opaque remnant]

Buy the mats you need for ops and that’s about it

[blazing mist]

yeah willdo

[sonic crown]

Like this now better

I don't have proviso yet

[random shard]

I did say pretty specifically the lvl 2 trading post was if you had proviso

[atomic pecan]

Is leizi alt worth pulling? Or keep saving for Wang and chen3. Have about 300 pulls

[sonic crown]

Oh

[ivory terrace]

save instead

[opaque remnant]

Much better, you have proviso?

[sonic crown]

I'm too sleepy,i don't have proviso yet

[tidal vale]

go sleep

[opaque remnant]

Tldr, never pull on standards

[sonic crown]

🛌

[scenic wharf]

was 252 max right proviso lvl2 tp better than having 1 more lvl 2 factory?

[undone portal]

lv2 tp gives you another lv3 fac to work with

[lethal orbit]

havent touched these characters yet, any of them worth investing in? I can show you the ones i have invested in already if its relevant

[scenic wharf]

yeah but is that worth missing order limit+productivity from lvl 3 tp

[random shard]

With proviso yes

[scenic wharf]

or does proviso offset it by that much because of the extra gold trades

[random shard]

Lvl2 tp means that proviso is working on every single order as you can't get a natural 5 gold order, which is slower and ultimately gets less lmd than proviso triggering. The additional factory levels is very good especially for someone max right

If you're droning proviso and have a strong team in your lvl3 tp you're going to need all the help you can get keeping up with gold

[undone portal]

proviso in lv2 vs lv3 is genuinely a single digit% effective production difference
and then you get a whole extra 25+% fac production out of it

[opaque remnant]

without the extra factory, gold deficit

[scenic wharf]

whats the factory on that setup then? both lvl3s need to be gold im assuming because proviso gold eating is cringe

[undone portal]

i run 1gold/1exp on the 3facs and then 2gold/1exp

[random shard]

Will vary based on the strength of your factory teams

[undone portal]

i need to keep a 3fac open for exp for pinus/vermeil teams to work

[dusty vortex]

who should I upgrade the module first?

[opaque remnant]

sort by rarity

[wraith sentinel]

Pramanix.

[warm tide]

Do armorless union squad leader prioritize ranged operators???

[tepid abyss]

no

[opaque remnant]

yeah, pram mod, then probably sash if you can

[random shard]

Also specifically since you mention order limits, assuming you're checking in every 12~ hours you shouldn't have issues

[undone portal]

prioritizes most recently deployed, like most ranged enemies
if youre placing your ranged ops after your melee, that would explain

[warm tide]

Weird since it was sliming tragodia that was behind mountain...

[warm tide]

Ok that explains

[tepid abyss]

they attack the last one you piy

[scenic wharf]

who is paired with proviso for duo? or rather the optimal 2 duos for both rotations

[wraith sentinel]

Quartz is decent I believe.

[random shard]

Depends on who you have. #r-i-i-c pin 4 has multiple options

[undone portal]

whoever your highest% solo worker is. quartz is an accessible 34%

[crystal salmon]

Is nasti a M6 or a M3 character

[random shard]

I do a goofy setup with pozi with my sham/tequila and have tyue with prov

[undone portal]

s3m3. arguably dont build

[opaque remnant]

i'd say m0 ngl

[tepid abyss]

i agree

[undone portal]

master s3 for the extra hp/atk for whoevers gonna be standing on the tile

[crystal salmon]

I see

[tepid abyss]

As of now, she's not very useful.

[undone portal]

also less sp cost means you can set up the tile a few seconds faster, for what its worth

[tepid abyss]

If you don't have a complete team of six-star operators, it's not recommended that you spend too many resources on her.

[scenic wharf]

can I just leech someone's setup, I should have most units e2 for base

[crystal salmon]

Yeah im not in a poverty tho

[undone portal]

like stainless, she has interesting utility but the effort needed to make solid use of her feels much closer to a 'win fancy' button than anything thatll solve a stage for you

[tepid abyss]

Because her strength depends on your operators.

[steel plinth]

Should I level and trust farm kal’tsit?

I just got her from recruitment

[undone portal]

try scrolling #r-i-i-c , im sure someone posted a doc of their rotation schedule at some point if the goal is to copy something that precisely

[dusty vortex]

max pram first or do both at the same time?

[opaque remnant]

pram first

[tepid abyss]

is natsi event start？

[undone portal]

2 more days

[steel plinth]

All in on kal’tsit I guess

[opaque remnant]

in pins

[tepid abyss]

i think wait for wang is a good choice

[scenic wharf]

found this but they're listing all factories as 3 slot even though 3 of them should be 2 ppl

[undone portal]

this is a max left setup, check bottom right
pick your best set of 4 3person teams to cycle, then run your best generic workers in the lv2s

this is how i learn kirara doesnt get cancelled out by shamare wtf

[fresh anvil]

interesting

[formal shadow]

It does but she's only a 5%

The reason you use her is she also has + gold

[undone portal]

yea, effectively not just a +5% anymore when you factor what she does for pozy

[formal shadow]

Yeah who cares about losing 5% when you're giving +25%

[opaque remnant]

is this what hell looks like

[formal shadow]

I can tell you I'm not logging in that many times in a day

[opaque remnant]

truly our baseknights...

[flat hamlet]

tequila e2 worth just for base?

[nocturne laurel]

No

[fluid ember]

anyone got a Flametta to borrow?

[nocturne laurel]

No one aside proviso is
Tequila and shamare are good operaters in combat too thats why

[formal shadow]

You're not really getting much back if you're doing it only for base

[opaque remnant]

can look at #friend-id

[formal shadow]

But I do it anyways

[flat hamlet]

cool, don't need him for other usage

[nocturne laurel]

#friend-id but Lortewau#4518

[opaque remnant]

also, it's fiametta

[undone portal]

this is still the usual 12hr schedule

[formal shadow]

I can't log in consistently on a 12 hour schedule

[undone portal]

ah, fair enough

[formal shadow]

You screw up and you lose the fia timing

[undone portal]

-# its fiammetta with 2 m's 🤓☝️

[opaque remnant]

how does 12 hour rot even work with proviso

[hoary bramble]

e1 or e2 quartz for base?

[nimble kite]

E1. Only 5☆+ needs E2.

[formal shadow]

You keep proviso in permanently

[undone portal]

e1, 4stars generally unlock their 2nd base skill there

[coarse notch]

fia can keep both tps permanently active

[formal shadow]

Fia can keep 3 ops in base permantly

[opaque remnant]

i'm the type of person that waits for my main base team to die then I switch to the temp one for one day and go back to overworking proviso

[nocturne laurel]

Added, lmk if u need module

[coarse notch]

yea thats pretty bad

[formal shadow]

Cause I cba I just fia proviso whenever I log in

[undone portal]

sounds like an easy recipe for overloading dorms

[opaque remnant]

they aren't supposed to be?

[coarse notch]

no, my dorms are never overloaded

and i have 3 slots taken up by greyyalt boosters

[undone portal]

n. no? my dorms only ever overload if i just wrapped up a workshopping spree

[coarse notch]

same tbh, with my rotation its pretty lenient tho, i just need to fia someone every 15-17 hours
but hey if tequila dies, he dies xd

[frozen crypt]

Can anyone help me with team building pls? 🙏

[formal shadow]

I do 24h rotations :ya:

[opaque remnant]

next time just post the link...

[coarse notch]

can you send the link to your krooster instead of screenshots, that kinda defeats the purpose of krooster

[undone portal]

the point of krooster is so you dont need to send screenshots
check profile settings, set yourself a url and come back

these scs also tell us nothing of how far youve already built the ops you have

[fluid ember]

i think i do for the guide for annihilation qwq

[nocturne laurel]

Okay gimme a sec

[coarse notch]

is this for lingering shangshu trails

cuz it should be fine for fia to be modless

[nocturne laurel]

Which Anni and which mod? Also should probably go into dms

[potent tartan]

Whats a good site to filter for/find OPs with SP battery support?
Been looking at this list on the wiki but it doesnt seem complete
(https://arknights.wiki.gg/wiki/Skill_Point#Overview)

[faint lotus]

https://tomimi.dev/en

[slate rapids]

https://krooster.com/u/kateful Trying to save mats to E2 Wis'adel but I've found myself using Sakiko more than Wis'adel, should I still go for E2 Wis'adel or E2 Sakiko?

[civic stream]

both

[coarse notch]

wis blows sakiko out of the water and its not close, e2 her first

[scenic wharf]

default trade is 3 and below gold right

but proviso still helps tequila because 4 gold is above 3 gold even if its considered default?

[coarse notch]

for your raise priorities, e1 pramalter -> e2 wis -> e2 sakiko -> wis mod1 -> sakiko mod2 -> wis mod3 -> pramalter e2 -> pramalter mod1 -> sakiko mod3

[coarse notch]

proviso sucks with tequila they should be in separate tps

[floral swift]

generally u separate proviso and teq

[coarse notch]

defaulted trades dont count for tequila

[floral swift]

adverse does not improve drop rates right

[coarse notch]

it does not

[marsh blade]

I've been using basically the same team for everything and I'm curious if any of my newer units are worth investing. Is this the right channel?

[coarse notch]

yes, send roster preferably through krooster

[marsh blade]

Thanks i will do that and be back.

[marsh blade]

They want access to my discord... not suspicious?

[limber pecan]

krooster is widely used and has never had any problems

[turbid ocean]

thats only 1 method of account creation...

its like making an account by linking gmail suite

[coarse notch]

its a pretty trusted website but you can also just make an account using your email

[turbid ocean]

you can just do traditional email passward yeah

[marble viper]

[dusty vortex]

https://www.krooster.com/u/rsty, who should I invest to next? I just got done maxing the module of my pram alt. Still have a few resources around. Who should I focus on investing next? I just started last month

[pale tapir]

consider skill level 7 on ops you use that aren't there already
ops for base see /baseskill and /base in #bot-spam
you don't have much in the way of ops so damage wise you have most people at a good place already
any raises would be kinda low priority or niche

[dusty vortex]

Well I get by most content with the help of pram alt so yeah

[dusty vortex]

How about for modules? Only 6s right? so SA then who's next?

[candid forge]

Dunno if I'm misremembering but I read about QoL of the cap for auto-completing stages going from ×6, to whatever current sanity can handle

Are we still on track of getting something like that?

[abstract mauve]

that's not a thing afaik

[severe crypt]

It’s a logical next step but yeah never heard of it cn wise yet

[candid forge]

Ohhh, aight

[abstract mauve]

havent seen it on my CN account

[nimble kite]

What you asked yet not still announced.

There's like very small QoL on 7th, right?

[timber finch]

is saria m3 worth for the extra charge on s1?

[abstract mauve]

m1 should be enough alr

[nimble kite]

You do just M1 for that.

[timber finch]

yeah i got her m1 to lower the sp cost but was wondering incase of big healing needs, idk

[abstract mauve]

havent ever needed it personally

[nimble kite]

If you need. It's not necessary iirc.

[pale tapir]

not sure what "6s" means
I don't use sash but u can see his recommended module in roadless in pins or dragongjy sheet in pins
not familiar with teq module either but if it's like leizi's that gives 100% initial charge then that woud be nice ig
specter module is not necessary IIRC

[timber finch]

yeah ill probably just wait for the day an event really ask me to have a 3rd charge to do it

[abstract mauve]

i just stick to s1m1 for both saria and shu. havent had a good reason to get m3

[ivory terrace]

yea every liberator so far has that for trait upgrade

[tidal vale]

is it more worth farming skill summary 2s in ca-3 or ca-5

[abstract mauve]

teq mod1 unless you wanna use him for chapter 16 artillery then mod3 is fine

[young glacier]

You need soooooo much blue books just farm last one. Also you can get white/green from event stores, login rewards and other stuff

[unreal garden]

Should I build Skalter and replace Misumi Uika? I have Sakiko but idk if it is worth to keep her niche support there

[ivory terrace]

u can prob keep uika in that case

[unreal garden]

I forgot to mention that I also have ulpianus and gladia built. Thats is why I was wondering if Skalter buff is better for my team or not

[severe crypt]

Makes no difference, still keep uika

[ivory terrace]

wun matter
skalter buffing AH makes her a bit stronger is all

[unreal garden]

🫡 ty

[pale tapir]

you are using uika with mutsumi right

[obtuse berry]

is Yu worth bringing home if I have blaze2 . Dont have Lappy alter to synergize with him tho

[tired pewter]

yu is good on his own, he doesn't need blaze or lappland
but should you spark him? no, it's probably not worth it

[dusty vortex]

for me as a beginner what do you think on investing on Texas?

[pale tapir]

she doesn't do anything useful except simulate a potential
if you mean texas alter then she would be useful
but I don't see her on your roster

[jaunty briar]

Anyone know the next eventbwith coagulating gel?

[atomic geyser]

in reclamation algorithm, my operators automatically get stunned after i deploy them. I even waited for the season to change in case it was the fault of a weather effect or something. It seems to only be happening on the west side of the map, so it might be a regional thing but I havent seen anyone else's gameplay get this debuff. maybe im doing smth wrong idk, but if anyone got the answer please lay it on me 🙏😭

[obtuse berry]

are you desperate for it like me

[dusty vortex]

I mean texas the 5 start one also, is bagpipe not worth investing in the future? Who should I E2 next if ever?

[timber finch]

from cnfarm command, should be wang's

[opaque remnant]

Is that gnosis?

[obtuse berry]

mon3 needs it, lemuen needs it, wisadel needs it, sash2 needs it, naranyuta needs it

[jaunty briar]

Want to play is with the new kjerag comp

[timber finch]

the pyramid thing is chapter 14 or chapter 15 unlock already ?

[opaque remnant]

Ah, the IS module upscale

[pale tapir]

flagpipe is an outdated strat, and bagpipe's stat stick is far outclassed nowadays
you only bring fiona for her vanguard initial sp talent if you actually need it for difficult content like CC
5 star texas like I said doesn't do anything of value besides simulate a potential
her dp gen is horrendously slow, she dies to trash mobs, and does no damage
she cute tho
even 5* surfer/canta are far better options for dp gen

[jaunty briar]

Who is fiona?

[jovial urchin]

Bag pee

[dusty vortex]

I see, who would you recommend for e2?

[jaunty briar]

Texas has initial 2 dp cost bonus, and the module makes her super cheap for first deploy so I take her along with silverash for a quick spike in dp

[severe crypt]

Let’s not shill Texas 🥹

[jovial urchin]

Not on my watch, I will keep shilling about how average she is and definitely not as bad as people say

[opaque remnant]

Drop her in anni with S1 and do nothing

[hidden nacelle]

nasti want mod?

[hidden nacelle]

true my anni texas s1 and saga s1 in front combo stays winning

[robust widget]

Gel is the worst material ever, together with alloy

[pale depot]

how do i add mor stacks in stronghold

[obtuse berry]

fair, like everyone needs it, just like (or worse than rock)

[young glacier]

With some cursed shenanigans which #stronghold-hall may explain better than me

[obtuse berry]

1 crystalize takes like 4 gel iirc

[robust widget]

I hate how expensive it is, 4 gel for one t5 mat

[obtuse berry]

and the rock (not the farmable rock on 1-7 but the t3 mats) also takes a lot

[lunar apex]

mostly comes from passive skill of characters belongs to that trait
u just gotta read it

[robust widget]

Yeah the alloy and they always appear at the worst time, its all easy materials and suddenly you have to pay up like 24 gel, 18 alloy to m3 leizi s3💔

[obtuse berry]

Lemuen also

Leizi also

wtf why newer units always need this

[robust widget]

Im glad i used the is m3 ticket on her but didnt have that ticket this time around for her…

[obtuse obsidian]

Sir this channel is not for blogging just saying

[robust widget]

Excuse me, got off track by malding over stupid gel

[limpid adder]

Are Brigid/Hadiya/Gracebearer any good? They’re cute

[hidden nacelle]

Hadiya mid Brigid i love but isn't amazing Gracebearer strong but still outclassed by 6 star

[frosty flame]

Hadiya seems usable but gonna need more dl gen

[pale tapir]

grace is good for a 5*
hadiya is... copable, ask rechord he has her maxed
bridgid is also just okay for a 5*

[hidden nacelle]

@obtuse obsidian do you know if nasti wants her mod and is ray wants new mod

[obtuse obsidian]

Bro i dont even know nasti mod

[hidden nacelle]

ur useless

[obtuse obsidian]

Ray module is damage VS utility

Current one make her cycle with beast perfect
New one is bigger damage

[hidden nacelle]

okay

what squad for is6 ray start :3

[obtuse obsidian]

Sui shadow as your heart desire

You also can go sniper squad since ray sucks at E1 but thats lame

[frosty flame]

Why do some operator's skills say +x% attack and others word it as atk increased to 1.x%

Are the "atk increased to-" bonuses separate to just +atk%?

[hidden nacelle]

it interacts with math differently
that one not so much
biggest difference is when an attack is +X% attack OR attacks deal X%

[opaque remnant]

Why would you start with ray?

[hidden nacelle]

because i like ray

[obtuse obsidian]

So he can have more runs overrall

[opaque remnant]

Maybe…

[frosty flame]

Ik that attacks deal x% attack is separate since the actual move's multi is what's being changed and not the attack stat

[polar hollow]

hi you use mon3tr s2 for gen content right?

[obtuse obsidian]

Sure why not

[frosty flame]

But these just seem like the same thing unless one is a separate multiplier to the other

[vocal wagon]

im running 252, would upgrading these to 3 decrease the efficiency by a lot?

[slate ridge]

1 is translation issues
2 is the latter is what you just said
3 is its inconsistency issues

[frosty flame]

So they are the same thing?

[hidden nacelle]

already upgraded yikess
uh not a lot but it will be decreased

[tidal vale]

reception lvl 2 is fine no

[vocal wagon]

yea.. wish they would make those degradeable

[hidden nacelle]

officie is not 1

[tidal vale]

i can see that

[frosty flame]

Even reception level 2 stops you from being optimal and having level 3 training

[hidden nacelle]

rec lv 2 is fine yea
combined with off2 is not fine

[vocal wagon]

like in percentage

[slate ridge]

yes and no
for example Vigna talent is an atk up despite saying change atk
but mod2 reworded talent despite being the same

[vocal wagon]

how much am i losing

[frosty flame]

The loss in productivity depends on the base slaves you have

[obtuse obsidian]

Some old text dont get Updated unless they get module or something

[frosty flame]

:/

[lunar apex]

its fine u can have 2 lv3 trading post
2 lv3 factory and 3 lv2 factory
all dorm is level 1

[frosty flame]

Wah

[obtuse obsidian]

Hg is consistence at being inconsistence

[random shard]

Unless you're willing to restart entirely it's just how it is. Just don't get baited into running something other than 2/5/2

[vocal wagon]

this was my old cn account, i started playing with both of them leveled up without knowing

[hidden nacelle]

wait whats spec tag prio
i have exu2 and mizuki promoted already, dont have yato

[frosty flame]

Holy shit I cant read the numbers be floatin

[lunar apex]

that should be obvious yeah

[obtuse obsidian]

Wang :ya:

[frosty flame]

Since MH collab got re confirmed I prob wont be able to pull the next orienteering

[obtuse obsidian]

Congrats

[hidden nacelle]

dont pull on oreint anyways

[frosty flame]

But monster haruka ascalon doe, woulda been nice

Assuming minimal changes

[obtuse obsidian]

You can also just get wangchenkalclosure from free pulls to save pulls for kirin ori and who ever in mh

[lunar apex]

asca might go into cert shop soon

[tidal vale]

whats the mh collab

[hidden nacelle]

monster hunter, and we have no idea when it will be, rumours of postponement

[frosty flame]

Ill def wait till the last day on future limited banners to save on currency

[obtuse obsidian]

We dont know but announcement text said orchid and catapult as The story focus

[frosty flame]

Wasnt the cn date confirmed

[hidden nacelle]

fuck you i took cronwslaye

[hidden nacelle]

there was a teaser :ya:

[obtuse obsidian]

Oh wait you said you have exu miz i thought you already have cs before them

Fake ass simp shaking my smh

[pale tapir]

holy shit catapult alter
interesting that they switched up from the 2* to the 3* ops though
unless story ops are not necessarily the collab ops

[frosty flame]

Do collab banners usually have any other limited as offrates or is it just standard pool

[obtuse obsidian]

Tbf who The fuck they pick from 2 star with durin

[pale tapir]

uhh durin
durin alter and durin alter alter

[hidden nacelle]

shagaru magala durin

[obtuse obsidian]

Solo banner wow

[obtuse obsidian]

Collab dont even have The same collab ops in their banner

Kirin will have her own banner like ash very likely

[random shard]

Catapult with a switch blade gonna be sick. They can't fumble that right

[wraith sentinel]

This was confirmed, yeah.

[hidden nacelle]

12f is literally begging to have a mosnter form

[tidal vale]

durin alter alter alter

[wraith sentinel]

Rangers is there too.

[obtuse obsidian]

Thats not even monster hunter bro thats just seaborn or something

[random shard]

Right after Chen Chen Chen Chen

[opaque remnant]

I mean, isn’t ranger pretty cool

[hidden nacelle]

the event currency will be "12f tail"

[wraith sentinel]

[obtuse obsidian]

Too scally

[hidden nacelle]

give him feathers for da ult

[nova oak]

there will be a kirin rerun?

[wraith shoal]

yes

[nova oak]

woaah that's nice, finally a good redeploy for my account, also is the persona collab real?

[wraith shoal]

first I'm hearing about that

[hidden nacelle]

persona no
good redeploy just use crownslayer

[nova oak]

crownslayer is stun not damage

[hidden nacelle]

shes got some damage in her

[obtuse obsidian]

Collab guranteed is at 120 tho rerun dont give free 20

The new collab will tho

[nova oak]

if you're a crownslayer shiller and you have to refer to it as "some" then there's certainly not a lot of it..

[hidden nacelle]

im a shiller not a liar?

[median fable]

hold your horse mate, we still don't know if it will be worth to pull it (Yato2)

[obtuse obsidian]

Techincally wang is fast redeploy with damage

[median fable]

I won't even try to comment on that

[nimble kite]

Chicken.

[abstract mauve]

na they got a point

1 yato deploy is worth like 1-2 wang mines

[nimble kite]

Make him stay alive tho.

While PhantomKnights can just...
Chill the fuck out.

Man I remember the SN-10 clear with 3 FRDs. Literally just negating every single event mechanic.

[ancient current]

[odd sky]

why are people asking about persona collab? what happened?

[hardy merlin]

Yato coming back?

When I’ve been praying for this

[ancient current]

oh yato rerun was announced?

[lunar apex]

yes

[ancient current]

fab

[nimble kite]

Yes.

We have no clue about Persona one, someone is throwing disinformation.

[soft lion]

is persona a rumor or semi-confirm?

[hardy merlin]

Yato date?

[odd sky]

we don't know

[nimble kite]

Unknown. Just Dev Note mention.

[hardy merlin]

[lunar apex]

most game get eos after they collab with persona

[soft lion]

they do?

[ancient current]

you do know spamming emotes sometimes results in explosion

[nimble kite]

Rumor. That one doesn't even wrote in DevNote.

[hardy merlin]

Hopefully she comes back before nerfed

[odd sky]

where do you hear persona collab?

[urban sleet]

Mid-june for cn yeah

[median fable]

there is no persona collab announced that I'm aware of

[odd sky]

then you're obviously not aware cuz it's been asked multiple times the last day

[median fable]

we just got the dev notes and it wasn't mentioned

[median fable]

wait, that many people? Why?

[odd sky]

that's why i'm asking

[nova oak]

twitter

[urban sleet]

Was it for endfield by any chance

[urban sleet]

Slide tweet link

[nova oak]

i don't have it anymore D:

[ancient current]

anyways, not a conversation for this channel

[odd sky]

well multiple times is thrice

[plain hemlock]

Elemental injury is the value on the circular meter right?

[past charm]

Is the unit from ch14 worth going back for with my account status? I noticed there weren’t any comments about going through for free units outside of kroos and tequila

[odd sky]

regardless of acc status she's a waste of resources

[round pike]

is there a general tierlist that I can look into? I've searched the beginners guide but didn't find anything specific

[brazen gulch]

if that's civilight, don't bother, she's very replaceable and worst case scenario you can find a person to borrow from

[balmy panther]

wisadel, mlynar, leizi2, exu2, lemuen, tragodia, mon3tr, silver ash2, pram2

[median fable]

for reasons that will become obv to you as you play, Arknights isn't a game where tier lists work properly

[past charm]

Ye I was gonna loop back for her but I guess if I do that it’ll just be collection 😔

[plain hemlock]

You can after you're done with your more important ops, just ignore her for now

[median fable]

silverash2 mention is crazy btw

[round pike]

a friend who's played a tad bit of arknights has been helping me, didn't get to a part where I'll have that realization but she told me that some characters are very situational

[brazen gulch]

she does her job for what it's worth, just that like was said her job isn't very relevant and/or quite replaceable

[past charm]

Of the free ones I think I am(?), so I’m just working on clearing content to build up pull currency

[odd sky]

hey good dmg for a vanguard

[median fable]

I realised that just from this text we can start a discussion about tier lists because there are many meta operators missing, proving why tier lists are bad

[past charm]

That’s tuff, I love her lore so it’s a shame to see her shafted like that

[brazen gulch]

bard /shrug

[median fable]

if you want recommendation on who to raise, send here your roster and people will recommend you who to raise

raising recommendation depends greatly on context

[round pike]

I brute forced my way through the last event following a tier list I've found while searching for one, just couldn't complete PV-10

[median fable]

tier lists lack the nuance needed for this type of strategy games

[past charm]

It’d be cool to have a list for niche to useless units instead so I could see who to avoid raising

[round pike]

been playing for ~20 days and still at 3-1 in the story, no sidestories yet
I was planning on continuing the mais story cause I love lore, so I don't think I'll need to upgrade anything (for now)

[odd sky]

ao3 is that all your 6*?

[robust thistle]

Please use myrtle s1
Pram and ceobe are also defective

[round pike]

uuuuuh I also got Crownslayer and Hoerderer
(ignore Myrtle and Mountain for the name of the squad, otherwise that's how I got into gachas and Arknights)

[round pike]

defective as in not fitting?

[plain hemlock]

Defective as in bad

Especially pram. Ceobe is passable in some scenarios

[odd sky]

well if that's all your 6* and don't feel the need to raise anyone
you can see /base and /baseskills in #bot-spam and focus on that, seeing you got texas i'm guessing you got office to lvl3 already?
you should read beginner guide in roadless camelot in pins too

[plain hemlock]

Be sure to get the relevant modules and masteries as well

[abstract blade]

guys is projekt red good?

[robust thistle]

No

[abstract blade]

does she fill an important niche?

[robust thistle]

No

[round pike]

if by office you mean the base, yes
I did and oopsie and used the insta E2 on her instead of Exu
otherwise I'll look into that

[abstract blade]

or does gravel do it better

[robust thistle]

They do different stuff but whatever red does isnt relevant enough

[odd sky]

cool don't upgrade reception room and office

[round pike]

I miswrote it, I upgraded it all-

oh, not the reception mb

[robust thistle]

Well just read /base and /baseskills and adjust accordingly

[round pike]

alright, thanks for the guidance

[abstract blade]

is it a good idea to grind aerial threat for skill summaries?

[brazen gulch]

if you need to and there's nothing else up on the priority list, sure

[abstract blade]

what is on the priority list?

[brazen gulch]

an event going on (you likely want to farm materials instead as those will be gone while aerial threat is permanent), mostly

now that i think about it i actually don't know what else could be higher than farming what you need at the moment

[frank wing]

skill books are also pretty common anyways so you don't really need to farm it much

[abstract blade]

if I have sanity left over from level ups (I get a lot of those since im new) and theres no event what should I use it on? 1-7?

[nocturne laurel]

1-7

[frank wing]

any farming stage in a story or the stages like chip and red cert stages

[abstract blade]

is that better than every other material stage outside events?

[abstract blade]

red cert? what do I need red certs on?

[brazen gulch]

mastering skills eats the blue ones surprisingly fast. it's probably not noticeable if your account is mostly done and you only upgrade characters every so often with new releases, but if in a constant cycle of raising and switching onto the next target it's quite visible

[nocturne laurel]

Yeah, rocks in event stages wil never best 1-7 and farm chips

[nocturne laurel]

For e2 chips

[abstract blade]

I dont remember there being chip packs in there

[frank wing]

buying red cert ops (not necessary), buying intelligence things for vignette events, chip things to upgrade 6 stars

[nocturne laurel]

You need the dual catalysts from the shop to make them

[abstract blade]

is pudding good? I have ethan and quartz

[nocturne laurel]

Ethan and contrail the rest is kinda useless

[past charm]

I’m stuck waiting till next week for sash’s mod but I’ve prefarmed his mats, I think I’m leaving Leizi at mod 1 for now and I’m not sure if any other units need crazy investment
The only welfares I grabbed were those two, I’m just figuring out if there’s anything else I should burn my sanity on before spamming out that credit stage 😭

[frank wing]

she's just okay

[abstract blade]

I got quartz for base. what does contrail do? block air?

[frank wing]

block air, be mostly invincible due to take off, and some dps

[nocturne laurel]

One of her niche but just generally being a good unit, since takeoff makes her invincible against ranged and melee ground units

[frank wing]

blocking air is usually pretty niche though

[abstract blade]

what does she do with that invincibility?

[abstract blade]

isnt being invincible spectre's job?

[abstract blade]

holy shit if I get contrail I can finally 3-star 9-9

[nocturne laurel]

Mostly IS use but annoying enemies idk high arts dmg casters

[frank wing]

multiple ops can do that, also iirc contrail's is longer

[plain hemlock]

You mean the LMD stage?

[nocturne laurel]

She had use in retracing your steps and in the upcoming event too

[brazen gulch]

needs high investment but after that she's a usable dps for a 4*

[limpid yarrow]

she gives u 3 agile when you buy her

[safe tundra]

[past charm]

Yuh, is there a better one to farm?

[brazen gulch]

the sanity-to-lmd ratio is really really sad on those stages when you consider all the other things you could be spending that sanity on, so ideally your base + event shops should be covering your lmd needs on their own

[abstract blade]

whats the point of invincibility if you cant block?

[past charm]

Ahh I see, I’ve lowk neglected my base

Ty, I’ll focus on upgrading my base then 🗣️🗣️

[frank wing]

so that she can deal damage more, and wont need a lot of healing when the skill is over

[abstract blade]

is contrail more a damage dealer or aerial blocker?

[lyric lagoon]

that’s literally how she has invincibility in the first place? it’s not literal invincibility as in “if she takes damage, no damage is dealt to her”

[brazen gulch]

kinda both, you just very rarely use her for the latter

[lyric lagoon]

neither of them are mutually exclusive

[plain hemlock]

Most other resources are better to use your sanity on than LMD. Your base should be your main source of LMD

With the occasional event shop and other lmd rewards

[abstract blade]

yeah but spectre has invincibility and she used it to great effect in 9-12

[plain hemlock]

Outside of events, you're better off farming stuff like chips or specific materials you need

[abstract blade]

contrail needs somebody to block for her right? like tequila

[abstract mauve]

like tequilla if you play her right you dont need a blocker

[abstract blade]

whats stopping people from walking past her if nobodys blocking

[faint lotus]

Them being dead

[abstract mauve]

good positioning and timing

[abstract mauve]

so true

[vital kelp]

whats stopping 5 enemy from walking past ur defender

[abstract blade]

wait am I not supposed to put a blocker like specter in front of tequila? I want him to kill a lot of people and I do that by having them group up in front of him right

[vital kelp]

exactly, tequila is

[faint lotus]

If you’re using a blocker with tequila, you put them behind him

[abstract blade]

but then spectre's saw cant reach anyting when tequila is tequilaing

[faint lotus]

When tequila is tequilaing, everything should be dead

Or you could activate tequila later, so the enemies are still spectre’s range

[abstract blade]

those die first so spectre is useless for most of teq's ability

[faint lotus]

Also spectre and tequila normally don’t need to be used together

[abstract blade]

and Im worried that tequila would just fucking die if im not careful

[faint lotus]

They both deal enough damage on skill, with downtime afterwards

[faint lotus]

Be more careful, he’s not that frail

[lyric lagoon]

once again, “take-off” is not literal invincibility, contrail would get folded if she were to be able to block elites

[abstract blade]

I used them together to great effect on 9-12. spectre in front to go invlincible when things got dicey, and tequila in the back to block after spectre is stunned

[faint lotus]

If you put a guardian behind him, he shouldn’t die unless you do something stupid

[abstract blade]

I thought blocked aerial units attack latest deployed operator? not the guy blocking them

[faint lotus]

I mean what works works, it’s just a little redundant in most cases

[abstract blade]

on the other hand sussro only has to heal one of them at a time, the other one isnt blocking

[faint lotus]

I’m not trying to say it’s a bad way of using them, it’s just not the most optimal way of using them

[abstract blade]

the rush of high-def units I had to deal with on 9-12 was so big that spectre almost died. I used both their skills and a couple still got through (to be killed by ulp)

[faint lotus]

And there are definitely situations for it, ultimately as long as it works it’s good enough

[abstract blade]

I understand putting spot behind tequila or smth but how am I supposed to use him with no blocker at all? is he good with kalsit, who can be his dedicated healer and give him mon3tr as extra block when he needs it and retreat mon3tr if he's sitting down?

[faint lotus]

Use him either with a ranged operator who can kill all of the trash in a lane, with him dealing with infrequent elites. Or for lanes with infrequent enemies so his skill downtimes don’t matter as much

Or use him for his reflect talent because sometimes the stage calls for that

[flint onyx]

For tequila to be used without blocker you just need to know stage and put him beforehand. He is cheap dp-wise specifically for that. So if you know that a lot of mid-high def enemy come from certain red box at certain timing you set tequila on their way about 40s ahead for him to charge his trait and skill

[abstract blade]

huh I dont think I've seen a stage with such weak fodder that I can kill them all without blockers recently. no slugs in episode 9

[abstract blade]

I think I'll just pair him with spot. or kalsit if theres room to put laneholders behind him

[faint lotus]

It also depends on what you count as a blocker I guess, quartz definitely can block, but she isn’t a blocker

[earnest sparrow]

will the upcominh operators be just as broken as pramanix alter, salter, tragodia etc or will the powercreep stop?

[abstract blade]

is there a way to share auto-deploy footage other than just recording the screen? I really want to show off my 9-12 clear

[limpid yarrow]

power just goes higher tbh

[past charm]

Is there a suggestion for which anni stage to auto? Or is there no change in clear speed?

[limpid yarrow]

chen3 and wang are both incredible
the power creep must continue
closure and kal2 are also both very good

[odd sky]

current rotating so the aegir one

[faint lotus]

The rotating one

[past charm]

Gotcha, ty

[abstract blade]

is it normal for me to spend like half an hour on every level?

[odd sky]

isn't your ops pretty underleveled?

[limpid yarrow]

for lower power squads it’s pretty common to rely on stall yeah

[vital kelp]

no

[abstract blade]

no that half hour is mostly just resets

[limpid yarrow]

oh idk

[faint lotus]

Depends on the type of level, normal levels no, ex or s stages, kind of, and h stages absolutely

[limpid yarrow]

probably better spent on one slow thought out attempt tbh

[odd sky]

you refuse to borrow asw iirc

[vital kelp]

its a strategy game surely thinking cant be bad for u

[limpid yarrow]

learn from master bait
who took a 4 minute level into a 90 minute video because of pauses

[faint lotus]

Though there are some particularly hard stages in the normal levels

[flint onyx]

Your way of playing things out makes sense. Just that with time you basically gain stage/enemy knowledge, better roster and start to understand that blockers/laneholders become unnecessary in almost all the clears, except some event gimmicks, because with good ops it's cheaper and faster to just put one dps that will nuke enemies than putting laneholder and waiting

[vast nexus]

strategy game with wisadel?

[sturdy drift]

Would Wang or Chen3 be better for annihilation stages and IS?

[limpid yarrow]

they’re both very good
probably wang tho

[sturdy drift]

Thank you. I do not think I will be able to pull both.

[limpid yarrow]

it’s been a few years now where’s wisadel’s cc performance ☕

[abstract blade]

do you think I will be able to get enough first time clear rewards for 300 pulls within this 3 months?

[vital kelp]

ugh

[sturdy drift]

Of course. You will get more.

[limpid yarrow]

honestly if you go past just event difficulty there’s a good amount of depth to the game

[faint lotus]

You don’t need 300 pulls

[limpid yarrow]

you should comfortably have enough for both if you save the whole time(recommended)

[sturdy drift]

How is Kal alter and Closure?

[vital kelp]

good

[sturdy drift]

Which one is recommended I pull for and which one has live 2d?

[abstract blade]

worse than wang and ch3n according to roadless camelot. but not by much

[vital kelp]

kalter and both

[sturdy drift]

What is roadless camelot?

[wraith sentinel]

Beginner guide in pins.

[limpid yarrow]

limited always has l2d so kalter

but don’t count out the skins in the future

[fickle bane]

Insider masteries, my good people?
S1 has dat multiplicative atk steroid, but S2 looks like it has better ammo count vs sp cost? Thinking of promoting him for IS stuff (plus dat lateranian synergy and whatnot), since he's the rare marksman with big atk% on skills

[faint lotus]

Are you certain you want to use insider?

[sturdy drift]

I can't find a video of her live 2d anywhere online. Is there a site with cn operators and their skins?

[fickle bane]

I'm a year 1 player with a healthy account, i don't see the harm

I have all these sniper chips i don't know what to do with (and need caster chips so I'll keep getting more lmao)

[sterile stag]

Is Saileach worth investing or are Myrtle and Bagpipe more than enough for general content?

[limpid yarrow]

if you have to ask you don’t need saileach

[abstract blade]

use workshop convert 🔥

/j

[limpid yarrow]

you’ll be fine without her

[remote parcel]

had any of u try 16-16 strategic simulation using pramanix alter and sash alter?

[faint lotus]

S1, because for what you’d use s2 for, kroos alter does better

[fickle bane]

Saileach has better dp gen in long maps, like after 4 skill rotations (thinking s1) but that's rarely necessary/relevant (salient example would be annihilation, which are super easy)

[sterile stag]

Reasonable

[wraith sentinel]

https://youtu.be/9Jrbco9eZAk
Not exactly a site, though there's probably one somewhere, but this channel has stuff logged.

[fickle bane]

But muh sanity waste

[limpid yarrow]

saileach has the best dp gen but her pots are hard to get and it’s often overkill and also you want mod3 so
Myrtle will serve you well enough

[fickle bane]

Ohhh... I guess I'll promote kroos alter first then LMAO

[limpid yarrow]

add an agent if you want more dp gen

[wraith sentinel]

Myrtle is also cheap to raise.

[abstract blade]

no sanity loss if you gamble on byproduct chance enough

[abstract blade]

what defines if an op is cheap to raise? rarity?

[sturdy drift]

Wow this is a great resource. It looks a bit weird with dark mode on though hahaha

[wraith sentinel]

Yes.

[scenic wharf]

pov you are -2 strats on cc because no pot 6 saileach

[abstract blade]

myrtle doesnt care about levels too much right? just skill level?

[coarse notch]

e1 lvl1 sl7

[fickle bane]

Counterpoint, however: saileach hot.
Also that scene in ch10 or thereabouts
CAN YOU HEAR THE CHILDREN'S CRIES 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[abstract blade]

e1? I thought her s1 is better

[wraith sentinel]

Lower the rarity the less EXP until Promotion level thresholds needed and therefore less LMD, Skills cost less, Promotions cost less (4*s don't even need Dual Chips, just Chip Packs), Modules also cheaper.

E1 means Elite 1.

[scenic wharf]

you cant sl7 without e1

[frosty flame]

You need e1 for sl7

[abstract blade]

ah right whoops

[wraith sentinel]

Mediocre outfits though.

[sturdy drift]

Would kroos at e1 be better than Exusiai e2?

[abstract blade]

myrtle shouldnt see combat right?

[wraith sentinel]

She can duel a dog for a bit, but yes not her purpose.

[sturdy drift]

She can be used for stalling

[abstract blade]

she'd die instantly from being e1 lv1

[scenic wharf]

vs a dog maybe

[sturdy drift]

Use a healer on her
And I said can

[frosty flame]

Better yet place her out of the way

[scenic wharf]

just use someone else instead of a healer if myrtle is dying lol

[wraith sentinel]

E2 her for her healing, trust.

[sturdy drift]

Better to use gummy for stalling

[wraith sentinel]

Confess-47 ultimate staller, and only costs 3 DP.

[fickle bane]

If we're talking early chapters e1/lv1 s1l7 will suffice, level when youre at the point you will want masteries on myrtul (assuming new account)

[severe crypt]

How is Myrtle dying tho

[wraith sentinel]

CCB dogs kinda strong.

[sturdy drift]

@wraith sentinel what do you think? It will take a while for me to e2 kroos.

[abstract blade]

myrtle is gonna be obsolete when wangqing gets added to record restoration right? when will that happen

[severe crypt]

Shu event rerun

[frosty flame]

Speaking of gummy, finally got her, should I bother building her even if I have saria?

[sturdy drift]

Yeah gummy is good
Saria first

[abstract blade]

yeah when will that happen

[wraith sentinel]

I mean if you already have Exusiai might as well use her, the reason why people don't recommend her is because 6* and therefore expensive to build.

[severe crypt]

Rerun rerun aka record restoration, before/after around wang

[frosty flame]

So gummy shouldnt replace saria?

[faint lotus]

It’s already reran, the record restoration should be in about 2 months ish

[scenic wharf]

why in the world would she

[sturdy drift]

Ah I see. I thought people were saying kroos was a better archer than Exusiai but I guess this is wrong

[wraith sentinel]

Might as well keep using Saria if you have her.

[severe crypt]

Yeah that’s what I meant mb

[fickle bane]

Figures they release wang with wanking

[frosty flame]

Idk, being better?

[wraith sentinel]

I don't really know the numbers here to be honest.

[severe crypt]

Well it depends how built exu is

[abstract blade]

so 3 months. yeah thats far enough in the future im gonna build myrtle in the meantime

[wraith sentinel]

Someone else is probably more informed.

[sturdy drift]

e2 lvl 70 mastery 3

[severe crypt]

S3m3? Ykw you’re better using exu until better 6 star sniper

[abstract mauve]

this is pretty biased btw

[sturdy drift]

Got it. People were recommending I build kroos yesterday so I started working on her. But I'll keep using Exusiai

[abstract mauve]

or just inaccurate entirely icl

[severe crypt]

I mean if you need a second marksman, just build krooster to like e1 lvl 50

But ideally you hope to pull a better ranged unit compared to exu

[sturdy drift]

I have Platinum and Blue Poison alreaady

[abstract mauve]

what level?

[scenic wharf]

e270 m3 exu is crazy for what im assuming is a newbie

[severe crypt]

Please don’t say e2 🥹

[sturdy drift]

E1 level 70

[abstract mauve]

oh then dont bother
just wait for better units

tbh i'd consider getting mody level 3 for exu

[sturdy drift]

I've been playing for a year but only joined the discord 2 days ago

[abstract mauve]

huh

[abstract mauve]

what units do you have if you dont mind me asking?
talking about exu and i feel you have way better units

[severe crypt]

Send a krooster link if you have one

[abstract mauve]

i'd rate exu considerably worse than even the welfare units released in the last few months so like

[sturdy drift]

No trust me, Exusiai is my best archer (unless you count Ash). Thanks for the help, but I do know this. I was just questioning the advice I got about building kroos yesterday because her kit didn't look too extraordinary.

[abstract mauve]

how do you have ash??

[scenic wharf]

microstun

[obtuse obsidian]

i know this is trash vs garbage but ash is better then exu i think
at least she kill ufo without needing e2 90 mod3

[sturdy drift]

I took a break

[abstract mauve]

balls

[sturdy drift]

Someone ran the numbers a while back and they are pretty close

But Ash is still not worth building at this point as new archers are coming out

[obtuse obsidian]

its shit vs garbage as i said

marksman just sucks

[vital kelp]

Auto activation is ass

[abstract mauve]

balls

[vital kelp]

For no good gains

[abstract mauve]

true but this doesnt play a role when the competition is ash

[sturdy drift]

I think a ranged guard does the job better. Archers in general seem like a very poor class

[abstract mauve]

there's like 4 amazing snipers. 1 of which is wisadel

[wraith sentinel]

Lemuen my beloved.

[sturdy drift]

That's not really a sniper. She's just a nuke

[lyric lagoon]

at least they have cheetos for IS 🥹

[abstract mauve]

what does that even mean

[obtuse obsidian]

i was about to shill that and beginner unit as the only reason to raise marksmans

but felt is off topic for this guy overhere

[severe crypt]

Bro doesn’t know about anti material rifles

[obtuse obsidian]

sniper is ranged physical dps

thats it thats the class

caster is ranged arts dps and guard is just melee dps

[sturdy drift]

I couldn't find the right word for it. But she sort of just kills everything

[obtuse obsidian]

specalist is whatever the fuck they want to be we dont talk about them

[lyric lagoon]

“archer” as you’ve been calling it isn’t a class name either btw

[severe crypt]

It’s best you learn ak terms rather than outside terms, it will make convos here much smoother

[sturdy drift]

But ranged guard can hit air as well. In a lot of cases wouldn't it be better to carry a very good ranged guard over a sniperr?

[severe crypt]

That’s a lord

[abstract mauve]

not at all. ranged guards are ass with the exception of mlynar and leizi2 who's not ass

[ancient current]

mlynar isn't a lord

[abstract mauve]

unless you dont consider mlynar a ranged guard or smthn not sure what you even mean tbh

[severe crypt]

Leizialt

[wraith sentinel]

Lord Guards also generally have a bit of a limited range.

[lyric lagoon]

even without them, most other sniper picks aren’t all that awful compared to other class sloppers

[severe crypt]

I mean, wouldn’t any guard with range extension be considered ranged guards 🚬

[obtuse obsidian]

lords kinda out dated out side of a music piano collab girl

[sturdy drift]

What is the common solution for air damage for people? Mages?

[obtuse obsidian]

nukes?

[wraith sentinel]

Snipers.

[severe crypt]

You gotta stop thinking classwise and start thinking unitwise

[obtuse obsidian]

wis/lemuen/exu v2/hoshi v2/mlynar/kirin/archetto

[frosty flame]

I plop my pramalt

[abstract mauve]

wisadel ray narantuya lemuen are the 4 i had in mind. i dont think most other snipers are worth considering in the slightest unless IS context

[sturdy drift]

When I watch guides on youtube they say to bring an operator of class "x". But yeah, it's better to make a hyper-carry comp around 1 operator

[frosty flame]

What

[wraith sentinel]

...

[abstract mauve]

🥹

[frosty flame]

2 good ops is generally better than 1 good op and a buffer afaik

[abstract mauve]

yes that is generally true

[severe crypt]

Ok whoever told you this is taking the piss

[undone portal]

hi helpers

[faint lotus]

I have encountered something weird, in long spring falls annihilation, Mitm isn’t prioritising enemies blocked by his reinforcement, he has his mod y, which should make him prioritise enemies blocked by his reinforcement, but he instead targets enemies closer to the blue box, unless I’m missing something, this shouldn’t happen, if anyone know why this happens, please let me know

[obtuse obsidian]

low rarity ops actually play withen the classes often so they use classes to help people understand subbing easier

but i can sub kroos with exu v2 who is not a sniper

[undone portal]

monhun collab2 description basically confirms orchid/catapult alters doesnt it?

[obtuse obsidian]

story focus so probably

but we can cope 1 as the welfare and durin as the 3rd op

[abstract mauve]

are you able to screenshot the context?

[sturdy drift]

Ok thank you. I do want to try using guides less

[undone portal]

spotalt wouldve been nice 🥹 but good to know

[abstract mauve]

is he attacking the top right guy but sometimes he switches to left side enemies?

[faint lotus]

sometimes he just doesn't attack the top right guy though, and that's a problem later in the stage

[scenic wharf]

you bring nukes

[sturdy drift]

Nuke is a tag in recruitment please cut me some slack...

[faint lotus]

He switches with the guys, but always attacks the spiders

[gloomy sundial]

It's fine to use them occasionally if you're stuck on a stage or for annihilations

[scenic wharf]

[sturdy drift]

Annihilations are the most difficult stage for me right now

[lyric lagoon]

that doesn’t mean you need to give up on guides, just try to understand the underlying strategy instead of just following what they say literally

[scenic wharf]

if you are watching kyo he will only do that for very old videos with bad rosters

[faint lotus]

He actually doesn’t prioritise the guys, it’s the essences that make him switch, the he always attacks the spider though

[scenic wharf]

for 2022+ videos he prob says something different

[sturdy drift]

I have been watching him to help clear out all the old annihilations

[scenic wharf]

thats the reason

[sturdy drift]

I see, but it's different nowadays with more niches?

[scenic wharf]

many units on release were pretty close to their role purpose. Today so much bullshit exists

[frosty flame]

People get better at explaining and optimizing

[past charm]

Are there any suggested SP batteries for tequila? (Ideally welfare, in shop would be nice too)

[wraith sentinel]

Module is for certain equipped?

[wraith sentinel]

Not good for Liberator Guards, their Trait buildup is separate from SP.

[sturdy drift]

You just reminded me I had another question. Is there a free event operator that is a wandering medic? I still need one

[vital kelp]

why do u need a wandering medic

[mild yacht]

Their skill charge time also comes extremely close to how long it takes for their trait to max out.

[sturdy drift]

For the elemental damage

[gloomy sundial]

Old annihilation clears use old support units which means they can be optimized with today's dps

[mild yacht]

You can just bait it, heal through it, ignore it…

[scenic wharf]

honeyberry is cert store or smth. honestly just outheal it

[lyric lagoon]

majority of the time you can just outheal the damage and ignore the extra effect dealt by them

[sturdy drift]

The issue is the stun which leaks the monsters

[mild yacht]

Bait it

[sturdy drift]

Got it

[gloomy sundial]

Yeah just bring extra blockers

[sturdy drift]

So I assume all wandering medics are very bad?

[faint lotus]

You can also use a therapist like purestream to remove the stun early if you need

[scenic wharf]

eyja exists