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classes, let alone archetypes, are like hardly ever a factor in terms of operator build prio
Thats like everything
Why would u build the trash 90% when u have the good 10% 🥱
you got cooked by bad RNG or what lol
IS is amazing
Uh are you newbie?
IS is made to be a hard mode
You are expected to fail like most of your runs
how do i deal with this thing?
block it
block or invis reveal
Block/reveal and hit it a bunch
oh its invis
reveal it, block it, whatever makes it visible
Almost every time yes. I've never had a good experience with this mode.
Try harder
it comes with better roster and more experience
its trial and error until you learn what operators work and what dont, as well as good hope management. you're not gonna first try every IS stage. its not like you dont get exp for losing either
Well you may want to rethink how you approach the mode
General tips are uh know what you are trying to prioritize with hope
Usually you should draft 0 hope operators then focus hope into 6*, whoever your strong DPSes are
that’s basically the case for a majority of statistical distributions
but also like your statement doesn’t really mean anything in the first place
you’re just saying that the top 10% of ops are better than the bottom 90% of ops
sounds like a lie, I only encounter bad RNG in a few runs, sure the beginning runs are dreadful since no tree upgrades but once you get the tree going it's pretty damn good
what skill kill an ally op
IS was one of the reasons I originally quit. XD Especially IS3. I think? The seaborn one.
ice breaker's not here yet and bro's already planning to sabotage people with aak smh 🥀
aak s3
ice breaker was here
aak s2/s3
warf s2
is3 is rngfest bro play is5 it's much more casual friendly
i personally think u just havent given it a fair shot, but yeah there will always be someone who doesnt like something
cant do anything about that
warf s2 is very slow to kill 
well icebreaker #2
the mode is meant to be difficult and fairly rng based, even with a well leveled account you’ll still struggle on a lot of higher difficulty
IS3 does have a lot of bullshit but it can be overcome too
well if you want to get better, then consider this site
https://is-central.github.io/general-knowledge/getting-started/
it is alot of information but if you can digest it, would be pretty helpful
Noted. Progression feels kinda slow though, do you earn points differently in 5 than the others?
RA 
i found is 3 a lot easier than is 5 lol
you can speedrun 5 ye, just abuse the lamp strat
IS5 is the easiest to grind points once you learn how to abuse IS5's mechanics
if you solely play IS for the rewards, you will burn out fast and hard just a warning, it will take many hours
3 low diff is really easy yes
IS3 low dif is pretty straightforward
you already have wis e2 iirc, tactical range squad, get wis and a guardian (either spot or gummy depending on what you have), get full king's set and hand of rumble and you're set
besides random ahh sickness that turns your carry into a wet towel 
metastatic aberration on wis go
-50% atk def hp and redeployment time 
anyone have a link to vec-12 buffless clear w/o using the yu + shu strat
But imagine if it hits your e0 Kafka!!
oh wait thats not buffless uhhh theres one on yt where they used ulpi gladia spalt + hoederer instead
who brings kafka to IS 
why tf would I draft kafka lol
for the off chance you get metastatic duh!
what is this.
are "burning reeds" the tiles with red cracks on them?
Please keep it to gameplay questions,
you can take this to #arknights or #ak-lore if something specific
I'll just walk into a safe house and gain some light thank you
why is there chen and 15 npcs?
reeds that are burning
send link 
hoederer gaming
Ok thanks
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i dont see any grass here
they are from an event with grass, dw about it
then u can ignore it 
They aren't much, but i got these tags. I could get a waai fu pot or just get some yellow certs from shift or something. Is there anything I should do really if it matters at all
oh ok so my damage is just that shit 
that means nothing's gonna burn u, lol
next week try ashy marsh in annihilation and you'll understand what do they mean by burning reeds lol
i thought i was like bruteforcing a mechanic or something
its first form is tanky like 200k hp when it turns into the invisible spine thing its quite squish just block it and kill
full lemuen s3 salvo did like 10% of its hp 
only 10%? 
unmodded but yea let me try take a screenshot
Then their trait doesn't work. They will be easier.
ok maybe not 10% but that was with logos helping (before and after lemuen s3)
mlynar mod mod3 worthy?
A 30% increase to total damage 🥶
u cant kill one? they just hang around there for a long time
the other one also goes there eventually
ur not missing any mechanic, they just have 200k hp and 1500 def instead of the usual 15k hp 750 def (res is still 60)
its a dps test, nothing more
alright 
they are still cuter than DoS S-3 enemies
They are just beefy ya
ye good to know i thought i was just dented
Oh don't remind me ffs
Just make sure to kill their ribcage once they die u don't want them to respawn with said stat again
anyone know how to get this one?
seems like vector enemies all have modified stats so dont worry if stuff seems way tankier than it should be
cuz its because it is; not cuz ur missing anything
buy irl merch
As much as I love Trauma Intervention from DoS, everything else was shit
need to buy the lorebook

is thorns alter worth building
Not really, if u insist it be s2m3 mod2
Not really
Isn't his meta relevant skill S1
alright, guess not
S2 is just subpar arts dps and healing
His meta relevance is not being in the meta and using s2 as slop clear in gen content
thank you
Who is using thorns in anything harder than gen💔
Ig that's fine if you had nothing else but like surely they had better options 🥀
Yeah that's why we both said "not really"
meta relevance: DNE
DNE?
Does Not Exist
anyone have advice troubleshooting streaming arknights btw? ive tried LDplayer, Mumuplayer, streaming just broke for both sometime ago. OBS studio can't pick up the window either, but streaming my entire stream works fine 
Sun you getting Leizi2 and Mantra?
Just leizi2 cause I am taking the liking to IS6
And I need a good guard to draft beside degen in IS
Is reed the best pick for rerolling?
Try using LDPlayer's arknights exclusive emulator
check pins
I am, im pretty sure
I did, im asking between those 3
The only good guard that I have to draft in IS is thorns 
Im still hesitant for skipping Leizi2 but like Ave Collab and Monhun 🥀
well update launching OBS with administrator permissions allows it to get the window stream 
ray would be preferred
AO farming arc
Quartz>thorns in IS icl at least one would work without e2
Ohh aight, ill reroll for her then
There's literally not even a date for monhun yet even in cn it could still be a year for now 
So many good banners coming up man 🥀
Might gotta whale 🥀
Even then this peak of a banner line up has taken a year long 🚬
When do we use Shu's S1 and S2?
Liezi has goofy originium monitors as hairbands, easy skip 
Never use s2 and use s1 for general healing/afk where u don't have a use for her TP
its either s1 or s3 tbh
I know that I can skip hoshi's banner tho, hoshi doesnt look appealing to me and haruka is not limited 
Shu S2 is just an inferior S3
Is perfumer worth investing even when i have ptil and saria?
Leave her be.
E1 for base
To E1 lvl 1 for base and stop
top operator tag meaning on recruitment meaning?
Make sure u do 9 hours whenever u get these tags since it will guarantee it to not drop
ahh ok, I got that + survival, aoe, debuff and shift.. you know what I can get with those?
Puppiiz in pins. Will tell you everything about what your tag combos net you.
Shift top op for weedy or debuff top op for ifrit (I suggest weedy)
can i replace strats that use shaw with weedy?
Indeed
Weedy is just better so yeah
Weedy can replace shaw but shaw can't replace weedy
Yeah, weedy's essentially just a better shaw.
In the same way you can replace it Rope with Gladiia should the need arise.
is hadiya new worst 5*
She's fighting tooth and nail for it.
I've already crashed out both in #arknights n #help about her
Clash of trash is getting real competitive in the big 2025 of arknights.
TBH, doesn't help as much as I'd hoped. It looks incomplete.
It's called getting started so I'd imagine it looks incomplete.
I mean outside of what I already know, the guides aren't as helpful because I just don't have those ops. At least, part of them.
well this websites kind of a work in progress,
i am reaching out to the makers to make it more beginner friendly
oh you meant the individual guides
those are for very specific strategies by & for endgame players
You have wis, just IS5 it bruh
Well variety in high diff has always been an elitist thing.
Go to is station for the google doc on is5
Question- Should I upgrade her other skills too? Because I actually went a run with her, was fun- And it refused to give me a promotion for like....several floors. I'm not sure how I got so far. XD
Masteries don't activate at e1.
not the individual IS strats, thats catered towards high difficulty players
Just s3m3 wis
As for once she's e2 unless it's like a15+ 2a45 s2sl7 probably works for 99% of cases.
S2 comes in handy in levels where invitation to wine enemies appears like heavenly paradise (fuck this stage and whoever created it), heretics, or rhine guardians (particularly the prototype dudes)
If leizi with module atk stainless turret, does it give sp?
yes
Should be. Turrets are considered enemies.
usually collabs have been pretty consistently after the sui event
S2 is just used when ASPD is high

which IS5 happens to be the heaven for
no, S2 is used when enemy defense is low
low enemy defense/high allied atk is the minimum condition where S2 is viable, but ASPD does scale much better with S2 than S3

? s2 is the default skill later in the run
the masteries are huge gain too smthing like +40% dps
m3 good
Which doesn't matter due to relic stacking until you really crank the pressure, is what I mean.
So given they seem to just be restarting IS I don't think blowing the resources right away before getting into the rhythm of things is optimal
well yeah low defense sure not a question there
Not everyone plays high diff IS like it's their job, after all.
no? did u know wis uses s2 on relicless ed2 and ed3
And why are they doing relicless?

im just saying u dont need relics to make s2 good
They don't seem like an IS fanatic from what I'm reading, maybe I'm mistaken but it seems they just want to play the mode.

Did u just check mark react urself
omg hi kermot my goat
it's based
Did I read/do something wrong? My bad if so, but could I at least know before I get the boot.
You're not the only one in here
hello chat, how is healing effectiveness calculated?
if i have ulpi (+20%)and have a collectible that gives another 20%
do they stack together to give 40% or is it 1.2*1.2=1.44 so 44%
doesn't make a big difference but curious
Hard to tell who you're addressing is all.
Everyone actually

One person is talking about general use, other one brings up relicless
clearly no ones listening
How worth it is Lemuens mastery
very worth
if its 2 relics its additive, im not sure how it works if its relics and operator skill tho
good skill in relicless = good skill in general use
S3>s2?
ya only s3m3
On my way! to use mr nothing s2
Quite solid. S3 > S2 usually.
Doesn't mean its a general suggestion always
Wis S2 is a very good skill for low defense yes
does SA alter S2 have the highest potential DPH in the game now? or does buff army still win
How about Lemuen Modules?
mod2
you can still do buffs for silverash
highest dph might be something like buff army + ulpi s3 since ulpi can get his s3 out before the second swing
hiii weebo ur my fav mod
ye thats just my entire point, i literally just cant think of any examples outside relicless or high diff bruh so those r the ones i use to prove my point
I'd have to imagine if we're doing buff army it'd be one of the arts folks with a super high atk scale that comes out on top.
I figure that a lot of buffs take longer than the shwing to apply, I guess only bards would be fast enough
anyone here worth e2ing after my Silver ash
S2M3 is not necessary for casual IS3
theyre asking is5
S2M3 is not necessary for casual nor intermediate IS5
Ulpi's "only" scales 160% of ATK though the +atk is quite good.
silverash s2 is 380% atkscale already
you just need someone with high raw atk
but u said is3 :realmad:
the deployed op's atkscale has no effect
how good is degenbrecher?
Oh wait you're right.
proviso for base
and uhh... probably raise thorns next coz... not like u have other dps to raise after SA
also dont leave ur ops to lvl1... give em some love... 10-20 will do
good
Well the relicless records are indeed proof they are good skills with very valid justification to build
BUT the point is whether people will actually use it often enough to justify the cost even though it is situationally better
Its always a question of resources
very strong op but not quite strong enough to be meta
thank you!
so basically proviso or whoever next dps i get?
if u would get someone better after e2 proviso then yes
yeah rn im saving pulls for tragodia
finish building your existing ops, E2 Ethan if you must E2 an operator, prepare mats for Tragodia in advance
I dont think im getting him lowkey
mathematically, you are likely to get him
with 30 pulls and a dream
O f f r a t e f a r t o o t h
use the pull calculator to see how many pulls you'll have by the end of his banner, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TL3VjhiZ4QL2qwXt0XY1HdYIjT2-dAUHihxbXCIrgm8/edit?gid=334810000#gid=334810000
and first-clear old event stages and main story stages for op
You are scary ( Idk who far tooth is )
fartooth is tied for the worst 6* in the game
Don't bother unless you have a use case
do i begin a debate
But she is the worst 6 star in the standard pool
If i cannot max this do i not do?
Ethan is staller
Stallers aren't generally needed
Generally keyword
yes
yeah just keep saving until you can buy it all
your testing my patience.
also wtf we have infographics now for gold certs??? 
Yup
as a newb,nah
I mean even as a newbie the expected upcoming lineup of gold cert ops is pretty mid.
And they get a lot of gold certs because unfinished annis.
also who has more pull value ? calsit or monster
Mon3tr.
Don't pull kernel
why 😈
anyone have low end guide for vector? stuck at lvl 6 
a lot is only 84 gold cert
Blue certs very bad
no real reason to use kaltsit anymore
is ines good for late game
anyhow ines is very good for harder content but for newb missing her is not a big deal
Every op in is over a few years old, and the banner gives worse certificates so you get less value from bad pulls on it.
unless u need higher damage per hit for some reason
bec mon3r damage is 3x3 area and hits up to 3 all at once
basically blue = bad because bad characters + bad certs
Yes, old, mostly bad ops, bad certs.
even if mlynar jailed later u better prepare 180 certs for him
Question on Degen's Mod: why the Mod2 says it improves Talent 1, when i dont see any difference with Non Mod Talent 1
160 to 170
👓
also to clarify tragodia is this month but we dk when?
Im referring to Mod2
165 then same deal
En can’t number?
And? 160 > 165.
when is hoshiguma alt
Somewhere around mid January cuz anniversary
January. Why accurate? Because Anniversary.
Eh, this shows 165 for no Mod
is there like timed reward in vector? can i just finish it the last day of the event?
Pot3, bruh
like mid nov yeah
Harder content includes most ex stages, s stages, and chapters past ch9. That's a fair chunk of the game where they're now disadvantaged. Mylnar was March so very low chance he returns this year, and the next new gold cert ops are:
Executor Alter
Swire Alter
Typhon
Jessica Alter
Hoederer
Vivi
Degenbrecher
Tldr the next good shop ops are slated for well into next year. There is nothing bro had to save for.
that's pot increase
so pot 3 with mod 2 will be 170
isn't the previous banner anniversary, i'm new so i have no idea
Only trimmed medal afaia
Aw man.. i thought Pot 3 will have another 5%... ahah, okay thx
i see, thankss
Does exu alter need her module to be upgrade into lvl 2 and 3 or can her module stay at stage 1
Pot 3 does, basically it’ll go 165-175
i just got tequila and used my e2 ticket on him, what level should i try to get him to?
For CN side, yes, for us it's just Grand Event with Limited character.
Like, you ain't lying here. If I tap pot3.
ah i see, thanks
Mod 3 exu is nice but if you lack resources mod 1 is still necessary at least because faster skill cycling
Not really his fault
The pot upgrades are hella badly set to show
Badly
u newbie??? coz u should also have lvl 80 tix voucher... in which u can use it to him
but lvl 50 should suffice... if ur poor... 10-20 would do... just make sure his skill level maxed
Alr so optional to stage 3
idk if the other people has te cert or not but genuinely it's no big deal
she is not 2nd coming of jesus that will suddenly save a newb roster
No point in crying over spilled milk basically
nah i trust ines handling dogs effortlessly
Did this bozo just come back from being dead only to start having shit takes
Fell off
i don't think i did?
check first yeh... lmd income can be rough at times esp if ur still grasping how game works 🥹
I wasn't saying that, just that missing her certainly isn't great. You seemed to imply she brought negative value when you brushed it off, so I complained a bit over that.
is it in one of these
if u rly have nothing, then refer to aforementioned recommended level
is no big deal suddenly a negative value now
Yow are these guys good?
Both are solid.
verdant is bad
who? yours?
No, the fake russian guy
do you have an idea how to get the lvl 80 ticket? it would help me a lot to have a lvl 80 operator
Nio he's on your side dog don't friendly fire.
He's talking about me.
should look like the one underneath
Should I use them?
is need wait for reward sir from newbie login sir
What's your current team?
Maybe check your inbox/mail
Correct
You fell off hard
Umm wait lemme screenshot it rq
This one
There was nothing to fall off over I was always just playing pretty casual overall besides a short months long IS grind.
You fell off if you think I fell off anything.
am i cooked if i used the e2 on lappland?
what does teq do?
ohhh i see it now, gotta wait until day 14 😭
im getting the feeling u would get it at day 14 from some log in event.... others would know better where to get it, esp @turbid ocean he the one making infographics
nowell is in fact notwell 🥹
@shadow bay tysm for the help 🐐
he’s a strong early game dps
can you permanently block mechanist's drone in phase 2 with status resistance
how should i farm LMD if the tactical drill is not good
Reed alter replaces Jessica. Degenbrecher replaces Astesia.
Give more lmd on tp trades of 4+ gold bars
Base and event shops
Base production
is tequila good? he only attacks when he gets skill
oh should i cop him for that?
the E2 voucher is day 1 in calendar
lvl 80 voucher is day 14, also calendar
If you have Mr. Nothing and ExuAlt, you can stunlock him, even. Idk, if StatusRES affects block decrease debuff.
Also replace Amiya with regular Kroos for now.
He is free to get
Oh thank you, also for the free 6 star selection that I got on day 5, who should I get and replace on my team ?
@compact scroll
Well not really free, you spent some sanity to do the levels but still
yeah i saw it tysm!
bro finally can get E2 rq
Silverash. He will take project red's place.
Melantha needs to go away along with nowell too, but not just yet for melantha since you levelled her a bit much. Nowell you should swap out soon, though.
anyone know?
how much does this make a day
if he were bad the infographic wouldn't reccomend him
he is good
thats how his branch works, on skill he deal amountable dmg...
might need bit of strategy to work out ig yeh
liberator is pretty good class,they have pretty good burst in exchange for offskill damage
Any recco operators that I could swap Nowell out?
so where would be like the recommended place i should place him? since he needs to like charge up and stuff
Silence. But looking at your squad, did you spend your small 5* selector on project red?
Around 50k give or take
Is crownslayer good
before a defender
No. Weakest of the 6* frds
he is a good starter.
decent dmg, help your base production.
also, having 0 blocks as a liberator guard actually benefits them
ok tysm!
Yea ;-;
But I think theres another 5 star selector on day 14
Wrong ping
lol
just place him somewhere where he can reach enemies....
since he have 0 offskill happenings, u would rely to other ops... maybe holding them somewhere
that maybe where u can place teq
Done
ok tysm!
How good is suzu in general content and is she worth uhh buying from the selector or is it better to cope in recruitment?
And which do i actually use?
Any easy and lazy way to place him is just put him directly in front of your main blocker or 2 tiles in front of your main blocker, if you don't know where he goes.
cope recruitment or buy from gold cert if needed
Recruit her, she is good but not THAT good
defo not worth selector
If he's 2 tiles in front place him facing sideways. His range is a bit strange so it'll cover both his left and right, and let him deal damage to anyone your main blocker is holding.
she is still handful for contents where u need big aoe slow and fragile to amp ur ops dmg
and yeh just cope to recruitment... her being in utility means she is not that on high importance to chase for her
Check teambuilding guide in the pins it will tell u the basis of your team.
should I try and get narantuya or just wait for the upcomming banners ?
So the gist for the kernel pack is just cope for them in recruitment cause they’re all kinda mid?
wait
Upcoming banners
mid or niche tech pick
It says "wouldn't use thorn before elite 2"
Indeed, because he sucks before e2 just slot in what u can base on the guide and remember your arts dps is reed so don't bother with steward/click. Slowly you'll have a proper team
alr tyalls
I'd argue probably most reliable to cope kernel headhunting, most likely. She should show up within the next 2.
Of course, unless the monkeys at the HQ throw darts for who they put on it and miss her
I just want kal already 
question wouldnt this take awhile to get?
yeah its faster to redeploy him than to wait it out after first cast 
so isnt he kinda buns i did not see the defense mb wait he loses defense wtf?
for 2nd activation it's faster to redeploy him
That's why after using it you retreat and redeploy him instead(only do it with masteries)
75 initial SP so only 15 SP to first skill activation.
He shouldn't even be attacked in the first place just ignore it with better positioning
range bigger than mlynar and hits more targets tho deals less dmg
You also don't want him tanking anyways. His reasonably large range lets him hit from afar.
so hes mega budget mlynar
for the masses travels event what should I focus on spending the currency on from the event
I've been using it for Sankta tokens
Correct. Thing is, you get him for absolutely free.
sankta pots for gold certs on rerun and furnitures for orundum
Pulls>LMD/exp>t4/5 mats>tokens>furnitures
yea
Eventstore command in #bot-spam
So he's often a new player's early DPS alongside whoever else they pulled, until they finally get enough DPS ops to swap him out.
Exu1
i have exu alt and leumuenene tho
I am just memeing
are they E2
yea
is exu alt available in spark in the next anniv event?
then tequila is mostly just embellishments, also good for base skill
wait why tequila what
Needs to be a whole year and our anniversary is hoshitalt in January
The celebration after that, so a year
if you have exu2 you can redeploy sa,honestly not bad tbh
why tequila what?
i dont think i was talking about tequila
kerf this sa talk
oh, same argument then
is hoshi alt good? liezl alt too?
what skill to generally use for hoshi alt?
s3 is the good skill
this is just to clarify if my pathing is correct
E2 Silverash -> E1 Tequila ( base ) -> E2 Proviso ( Base ) -> Save for another e2 if i get good char
tequila gets his base skill on E2, and only works with shamare
you can do e2 proviso first since you have e2 exu and lemuen
i do have them e2
if you dont have shamare just skip tequila and go straight to proviso
oh i was doing silver ash already 😭 hes level 78 e1 😭
Upgrade path help please.
so cmiiw, for next anniv event (hoshialt), exu alt will not be available in the pool of sparkable ops?
different limited pool, hoshialt is carnival, exialt is celebration
diff pool anyhow but spark is only 1 year after debut
no ptilopsis yet?
not even any baseworkers for me to hound you about </3 except matoimaru
get your main squad to e1, prepare to e2 silverash/tequila for now
did you read the newbie selector guide in pins
Google is also your best friend in these early days. We mention an op you don't know, type their name in and tack "arknights" to the end.
and read the teambuilding guide in pins
who will be available in the hoshialt event spark pool
All of these guys are good for base rite?
wiki has the info
are they in the /baseskills table, if yes then theyre good
Yes but ur priority is gravel perfumer and maybe ambriel
ambriel ew
does status resistance halve the original length of the effect instance or the current remaining duration
Imma uh ask again just to be sure, some ppl said i should prioritize these guys over another e2 cause it’ll be better in the long term or something?
yes
current remaining
it makes the current status effect expire twice as fast, as long as the buff is active
are some character banners just not rerunning?
chapter/vignette debut banners dont rerun
if you get hit with a 30s stun and you slap a lumen 6s status resist, it wont cut it to 15s
Wow, how broken is lumen.
You'll have to check if u need to e2 them or not, cos some ops like gravel only need e1 for max base skills (tho youll prob e1 lvl 60 her just cos she's decently tanky fast redeploy)
ahhh im not up to day 7 yet. but got the rest of it. i accidentally used the e2 on lappland as it was mentioned in a video guide i watched. kicked myself when i realised i f'd up.
yes
limited and ops debuted from small (vignette??) events won't have banner rerun for example
If kerf mentions using them they must be good.
Anyways, 4* ops only need e1 for their new base effect.
umh
Its fine, its not the worst thing cos lappy still ok. Tho youll be better off getting tequila e2 its not the worse e2
^ yea this is a better clarification
math works out where 12sec of stun elapse during the 6sec status res duration, and then theres the 18sec afterwards, so youre stunned for 22sec
For context, this is my current roster rn, i was planning on e2ing lem before i asked here and got reccomended to upgrade base slaves
does anyone have exu alter s2m3 mod3 for me to rent ;-;
how much are you paying
Just do what u want honestly since u have money
1M LMD
is degenbrecher's skin gonna rerun or smth? (I wanna buy it :D)
too low, pass
nuuuuuuuuu
does tequila get to a point where he automatically uses his ability? because im shit at macroing him.
Base slaves will give u slightly bit more value but...
In your case you've already got 3 dps ops up to e2, so you can do your base slaves before moving onto lemuen e2.
no
I'm waiting for a ray of light rerun. but it's been more than a year with no sign of a rerun...
I only bought the selector iirc
you cant change skill activation condition
No?
because said event fall to vignette
Getting 4* ops to e1 is super cheap so it won't make a big dent.
why would you want tequila to have auto activation anyways, thats terrible
auto on slugs
ray was a vignette debut, rerun banner wont happen
oh w8 what event is this???? my ass assume its ray event
and offskill on the elite 
Imagine mylnar auto activation 
yes ray
Bro wants that concentration disorder.
i got afk brain rot
then yeh should hold true...
yea, bring liberators into is3 and youll rethink what youre wishing for 
how do I know what event is a vignette debute. sorry if that's a dumb question lol
You'll love blaze then
maener used to be the meta 3w1u in is3
event lasts only one week, event stories are cordoned off in a separate section you spend info fragments to unlock
actually forgor that 3w1u was a thing
on event itself, it have 8 event stages that have varying mechanics from previous events
and it have smaller event duration compare to usual 2 week event
so characters that come with main story events usually get a rerun? like mon3tr to be specific
its mostly you can get event currency outside of event stages
tbh i just havent really used tequila. guide said to get him. i placed him asap and then he just sharpened his shit for a year and let everyone go by. scarred me.
Is it better to remove silence or ptilopsis for someone else? Or keep and have mont3r at s3
main story events are the same situation, no rerun banner for mon3tr either
oof
basically
although forgot to mention chapter events dont get rerun banners
how do you rerun a chapter event anyways
well not the event. I just care about the characters. I don't wanna pull on a banner with multiple 6* in it if I only want one
Place him in front of defender after u put all the units down in most cases, (or behind if too much ranged dmg). Then activate skill when too many strong enemies are around him
yeah banner rerun, reruns with the event
Any tags I should prioritize for top op ?
ahhhhhhh ty.
although the chapters banners kinda have rerun in form of the front that was banner... dunno if that still a thing, and it is unlike the rerun banner u wanted to be
thats just the reality for every vignette/story debut operator. best strategy is to just wait for them to show up in joint op/orienteering banners or wait a whole 2years for cert shop debut
If u want remove silence but doesnt really matter
yeah I didn't know that. quite some fomo shit ngl
who should i prioritize in pulling? tragodia or leizl alt
Not really. You can always offrate them on the next banner 
good thing they have sketchy 150 focused point pity.... 
What %
well since Ray won't have a rerun I might as well pull on the current joint op I suppose
you'll regret that soon
supporter is a suzuran/magallan coinflip (suzu is the win). the rest of these tags kinda suck unfortunately
nuker is guaranteed ch'en if you want her
use krooster.com recruit calculator in the future
Buy her in shop bro
Smaller than ||someone pp||
when?
In like sevaral months?
funny
Uhh top plus nuker/supporter seems ok unless u want to gamble for flagpipe, if not just top op gamble is also fine (in fact maybe even better)
More than that. We have like 8 new ops to go through before we hit Ray.
Oh lol
Supporter is the clear winner if you don’t have suzuran
inb4 i got mouthful copies of reed and narantuya
because she comes to shop or why?
whos the best op u can get from top op recruitment?
tragodia
Can you just like stop typing
would there be a new anni and another anni rotation later?
I wouldn't be mad about reed copies
Astgenne wouldn't say that.
You should
I don't care about meta too much so it's fine
I can already see them again in like 3 weeks when tragodia banner drops and they dont have pulls

does reed copies buff her arts amp
I think bro really just wanna pull lol
Single picture, laughing emote, 510 orundrum.
but if you dont care about meta, then just do whatever
if yes its op
and ur aware u dont have any form of safety net to gurantee ray or something??? every 6 star ur battling that 33% chance
I just don't wanna wait and unspecified time to maybe or maybe not get a op I want from shop
is pulling for trag the strat? like the options in the future as we know arent that good or are far enough that ill get pulls by then?
hes the best banner by far
Okay so u wanna pull

We've already given our thoughts then. If you've made your own judgement after we've offered our thoughts, go ahead.
It’s not unspecified. Operators generally enter shop 2 years after debut
Couldve just buy the selector during anni
It's approximate, but it's relatively consistent and it's guaranteed that they will hit it. In this case, will likely be sometime in the middle of next year.
Of course, that probably already counts as speculation so we can't say more in this channel.
whos the characters beside him? like the off rates
Its standard banner
scary
is it
It's a standard single rateup. 50% chance of him, 50% chance of a standard pool op.
Want to know the standard pool? Go to the current standard banner and check.
are there bangers in the standard banner
lots
Mylnar is a standard banner op, for instance.
hmmm ok I think I'll wait for now. I just saw that CN had another joint op with mon3tr and ray in it. and since I want mon3tr too it's probably better to pull there if anything
No pity btw you can pull 1000 times and not try ray
we dont have the same JO pool as CN
A lot of our "meta" ops are standard banner ops. Only so many limited they can release, after all.
They might change it on global lol
ill pull standard banner 👿 😈

A certain player here might be able to tell you about another standard op named Logos.
True logos hard to get
Only for you 

is 80 pulls guarenteed 6 star op?
No. It's 99 for hard pity.
where did you even get 80
heard its like 51 till they start having mercy towards the player or something
50 is the point where soft pity kicks in.
99 is when it caps out to a guaranteed.
check any banner, tap the 'details' text on the bottom left
You could just read it
I am not in the game rn
Don't worry this game is very consistent about such things
it tells you how the banner works
Arknights en wiki also has it.
then you can check the wiki or wait until youre ingame
Or should, anyways. Their quality is hit or miss sometimes.
But a page like the headhunting one should be pretty well kept.
:clueless:
Should be, so surely :glueless:
How good is Ines?
very
quite
Broken
Best of the vanguards overall.
How so?
have you read her kit
invis reveal
agent
literally everything
I’ll start by telling you the things she doesn’t do, will be quicker
she does damn near everything. go read her kit first
My favorite utility, slow, bind, dp printing , debuffing , light dps, ranged, fast deploy operator 
Just about does everything except boss dps.
Think there's a few elites she can challenge.
honestly with the dp printing and the atk/aspd steal, any elite she doesnt kill she can stay alive long enough against for you to deploy someone else to blast it away
bind too. thats 5sec theyre not even moving towards her
Makes the bunny from this vector breakthrough miserable and thank god for that.
leafcarpets kinda the least scary of the vb elite ops and ines is a big reason
number 1: dmg
number 2: dmg amp
I mean people already complain about her killing targets too fast in gen content.
gen content is too ez
ive cleared our everything beside furniture parts and 4 polyesters are the module thingies the better things i can spend currency on
toxic coal or mango
how many t3 skill mats should i ideally have in stock
Module sticks are the worst thingies to spend on. Buy out the rest of the battle records if needed or just the 4 polyesters, then buy infinite manganese until event end.
any of these ops worth raising? i'm planning to get swire alter up to speed, not sure who else tho.
whys that
you run a massive surplus of them
Module sticks are a dime a dozen due to how Stationary Security Service works.
archetto is pretty good and fun in IS, way more than swirealt
You can get 64 of them a month and oftentime you only need about 40 a month tops.
oh alright thanks
Also the golden version of the module sticks are bad value too. The data instruments.
It's just the actual module blocks that are good value.
How do i get dual chips to upgrade my operators to E2
lv3 factory
Factory lvl 3 with catalyst+ 2 tier 2 chips
if exu alt will rerun after a year, how about Lemuen? when is she gonna be available again
their banner wont rerun
How broken is Shu module cuz holy instant buffs is kinda crazyyy?
not really
mod3 just for +10 regen
its a fine module but nothing turbo broken
Is it worth the material?
+5% sanctuary.
:roswao:
if you have the material to spare its not bad but you'll be fine without it
+10 regen is mod2.
Second module is probably crazy 
Quercus gives 18% so it’s useless anyway
so we can't get lemuen again in a different banner?
am i being stupid or is there no H10-4 stage?
Lemuen will show up randomly in standard banners.
is expediting a 9h recruitment a garunteed tag drop cause i keep dropping one tag for a tag combo when i have one
Buffs aren't crazy
shes in standard banner rotation/offbanner forever
gold cert shop in 2+ish years
There is, in fact, no H10-4. HG got lazy.
3 manfred is enough 
No just got luckier
Don't worry, you'll be back to 4 in the next chapters.
Are thorns and mudrock good?
No
Pulling kernel banner is even worse
Old and pretty outdated at this point.
You could argue for fun factor but performance-wise they're lone out of favor.
Shitty afk is fun?
ok thanks.
one man's trash is another man's treasure
maybe they like seeing mudrock get bombed by the londinium secondary defense artillery
guys, have we gotten any operator in the game that increase shift level of operator or not yet? not weight decrease on enemy
Check tomimi
I guess none. As far as I know.
Cope with blockshift. Gave up if the enemy is more than one 
mizuki is S2m3?
yes with IS mod
easiest vector stage to do for points?
VEC-01
ok 
Ergate+pepe elite
Does base exusiai count towards the laterano ops?
Nice, neither picture is exusiai or the base
And? Put Asca down and sleep, still the easiest stage.
They changed factions recently so now ops can be dual faction. Side effect is yes, both versions of Exu count towards Laterano ops.
Oh thx for reminding me actually.
I need to update my rotations a bit.
Nah I am just thinking out loud
The first is what I mean by the laterano ops, the second is a picture which shows that neither exusiai are in the laterano bubble. The second picture does contain them wdym?
The pics in this case, were, for once in a blue moon, relevant. Left one of lemuen explains why they're asking-her talent. Right one is exu and geexu, listed as part of Penguin Logistics and not laterano.
Is Ines module good? Im pretty sure -35% redeployment time is VERY good
As you may be a bit baserotted. They meant vanilla exu, not exu in base.
God yall are no fun
It's pretty niche, actually. You don't often need to be redeploying ines quickly.
only for the first redeployment
It sounds good but realistically it won't matter/change anything in 99% of cases
Tbh I associate you with RIIC so much I just assumed you were thinking base.
alr alr thanks
I was, but I cba
Hi flammy 
Waow your cheerleader is here.
Please regain your will to live space.
Hi maxxie

Hi lighty
How do I get more chip catalysts aside from shop?
IS,RA, Annihilation, Main story
Mostly IS
Anyways thanks for the info
For the IS ones, start with 5 (Sarkaz Furnace), do 2 last (Phantom Crimson Solitaire) if you ask me.
I'd prefer if you let them rawdog lucian
Hadiya is bad? That new Mercenary?
85 dp 1755 dph you like that?

85?
85?
each s2 dp consume is 15 u can do it 5 times to max talent deploying her is 10
Oh

Well you dont need to do it in one go
dont cope it kerf
Its a payment plan
Ignore Hadiya shes fucked because 5* debut for a class
Wait wait wait... How is it compare to Tequila (Dph and Dps)
Shame, good E2 art
Think they're going to give the class a buff? As is the base atk is kinda sadge.
No they'll just make the *6 scale better
500% atk multiplier :ya:
idk tequila max stats
i just know E2-20 SL7 Teq does 1.9K DPH
Pay 25 DP, atk deals arts damage, job done
Base stats usually don't need to be buffed unless they want to fix every operator in an archetype
Now factor in mod and masteries and things become funny vs eater of dp.
Well obviously
I think the absolute funniest part of her kit has to be the s1.
2112 dph max e2 80 for teq 1.7k dps
Weirdly good cycle at 20/30, base effect is a defense buff, and you have to pay her 10 dp for her to "realize" she can smack enemies harder.
85 
Guys is still worth to get mudrock from gold certi, i dont have ulpi 
No.
Mudrock is rubbish
Does it matter what stage to do to get the bibs? Yes i know i barely have any time
She's not a good emmity unit. 
Oh no 
Amount of bibs is directly proportional to sanity cost of stage.
Spend 21 sanity, get 21 bibs.
So later story stages are best. 8-10, namely.
that seems way too low, isnt tequlia hitting around 2.4k?
Oke just skip then, hope can get ulpi later and hoshialt such a good sustain
, thanks btw guys
Ah ok thanks
Prob m3 I just sl7 no mod
is there like some sort of sss guide somewhere
Alright... So the whole point of Hadiya is.... They purposely made her stats BAD.. Then you pay DP to increase quality to just in par with Tequila?
That's terrible 
From this time forward we call it EA guard
how does sustained dps compare
Badly because her base atk is 550.
She may as well not be on the field when she's offskill.
I didn't do hadiya dps I honestly just got so disappointed I didn't bother 🥹(Atk interval is 1.25 for hadiya)
she gets peak when u feed her dp
what about skill cycle after you pay? surely its better than 30/40?
I hope the 85dp pay off ngl 
I love using *5
Approximately how many Yellow certs would you say someone gets on average per month?
i avg 63 
Over course of how long and you're not putting in any pulls right
Hadiya skill cycle for s2 is 26/20 OR 35 for s2, the one you're probably gonna use.
Is Mudrock still worth it?
No.
Maybe we should make a pin for kernel headhunting.
Thanks
damn, kinda sad that even with that skill cycle she only barely competes
Minor problem with the cycle: you're blowing 10 for the initial 20 seconds, 15 for the extra 15.
i also average 155 recruit used a month so
So technically the second activation where you modify her skill is notably worse value, but you essentially have to do it if you want her to ramp properly.
idk count for me i run penance 16h eyja 8h
cursed rotation
nope i rotate twice 
wtfart
Correction, it's 585. Sorry, messed up when mathing trust.
yeah doing recruitment rate math is annoying
are you still collecting data and can you do the math for a few things

Still, marksman sniper grade atk on a 1.25s interval.
still ass. makes up for costing only 10dp on initial deploy i guess
yea i personally just hit 1.2k input :ya:
Calculate the average 4* rate
Calculate the average 4* w/ gurantee tag rate
Calculate the average tagless 4* rate too seperately
Wait FUCK I forgot potentials.
Now I need to redo all the math, this sucks.
Get me out of this game.
It's a red certs op 600 for pot ain't shit
Okay she ramps from 615 to 769 atk after a while and some 85 DP.
85 
so many numbers 
85 dp? might as well let swirealt s3 fully charge on that kind of budget
The problem is you pay 10 for an initial s2 and 15 for time extension. So you go from 0.5 dp/sec to 1 dp/sec payment.
Lemuen exu2 wisadel vs hadiya
She's basically ripping you off to not have her cycle like dogwater.
new 5* of a new archetype
she was bound to be trash👍
Would you pay 25 DP on a skill if each time you pay, it does one wisadel S3 shot
save that for the 6star surely
The wisadel s3 dlc.
for a 5*?
On an operator
It doesnt matter on what rarity because its the DP cost that matters
it does tho because cutter alter will be broken trust
Tq for doing the full math on her
I gotta put off completely upon seeing the dph/cost for it
just give the 6star mercenary double ulpianus s3s dph for a cheap 20dp, easy
SAlter does it for -22DP
:zhende:
Is reed2 mod bad or has she just been powercrept so it isn't recommended to invest in the mod?
Mod bad
mod itself sucks
the mod is bad
More self healing :tericinema:
What tags should I take?
Top op shift for weedy
guaranteed weedy looks nice if you dont have her. go shift + specialist
let's wait for Fib to tell us how the mod is important for IS 
(ignore this text, it's satire)
Are we waiting for second mod to buff her cinder? Does cinder stack with other debuffs to attack and arts fragility?
depends on numbers, ideally it's better but who knows
its probably anothet thorns/mountain mod situatio
Yeah fair enough. I waited for ascalon second mod and it was so disappointing
on paper its really good for their personal performance, but it doesnt change that they kinda fell off
atk debuffs do stack, arts fragility wont stack with itself but can stack with regular fragility
2nd mod will certainly be better, but itll depend on the numbers if its by a lot
is fiametta good with her mod 2?
fia still prefers mod 1, and still sucks in comparison to any meta sniper
first mod was already good, why did you wait? It was also cheap
Fia is just not good outside of base
right but she still likes mod1?
whatever the vigor mod is, its y iirc
fia needs more dph to work, vigor helps
what is vigor?
I was coping delta mod with NI or something busted. The real answer was because I was out of mod blocks 
A stat buff if u are above the threshold of HP
mod x
vigor is a flat % atk buff fia gets as long as she stays at high hp. she drains herself down so youll need healing
Thinking about it 85 is wrong, isn't it? It counts deployment as a dp spent.
So. Let's finalize this. Assume maxed out. All pots, all levels, etc:
615 base atk
1.25 sec atk interval
10 dp base cost
25 dp for 35 sec s2. 10 dp for 20 sec s2. 26 sp cost.
You start at ~660 atk due to talent counting deployment.
First s2 in 9 seconds. Let's assume you pay full 25, so 11 + 35 = 46 sec. You ramp to ~677, then ~707.
Second s2 26 seconds later. Assume full 25 pyament. 46 + 26 +20 = 92 sec. You ramp to 738, and finally, ~769 atk, on the 4th pop.
s2 is +150% atk. So at base it's 615 x 2.5 = 1537.5 DpH.
Talent is +atk. So at full ramp its 615 x 2.5 + (769-615) = 1691.5 DpH.
And there we go. We're done. 92 seconds, 60 DP spent, to push up to 770 offskill and 1.7k onskill DpH with no aspd mods.
Is it worth to go till pity for this if I only have degen here?
you can't really guarantee 4* 
if you have any of them at all, skip. degen dupe after 60ish pulls would be a disaster
also tragodia is coming up very soon
i mean just when 4* tags do show up
who to build first and where to get utd and exp and how far in the story do i have to get to unlock e2 for what character and do it get the chip catalist with yello currency or the red one
I have all except thorn and naran lol
And exia banner bankrupted me 
I think this is a Ray angle since degen s2 is honestly fine.
Ray meanwhile is kinda mid until her s3 comes alive.
I'd do degen first
I didn't know it counts the first deployment thank you I'll take note of it
way easier to use, and has multitarget, then ray
focus on ray first, then degenbrecher
let your base produce your lmd/exp, you dont need to farm it outside of buying it from event shops
buy catalysts with redcerts
ray is pretty finicky on stages
Hunter whack ahh ranged
thanks and should i farm the carbon stage's for base material
yes, farm enough to finish setting up your base
oh also should i get the red certs from the farm stage
yes, only consistent way to get them
do IS monthly squad if you wanna be efficient
For catalyst? U should get them From IS monthlies first/RA
on the left is out of all w/ refreshes
i wanna do tag combination but got lazy
what do i have to do to set more support units?
Oh wow it is 18%
upgrade reception room (not advisable)
My estimate was correctish
thanks guy you've been alot of help on last thing should i finish the story first or finish my base first
Which one should I pick
silence also pins
base setup asap
you do need to progress through to ch4 to finish setting up everything
4-7 for last keel
Which?
So when is it worth to just use recruitment permits on blank tags when you dont have 4* tags?
we usually recommend doing 4 recruit daily at least, with or without the 4* tags
either just save or drop them on tags that up your odds at indra/vulcan
why's that? i need to do it for my newbie quests
Where does it say it on pins.
you cant downgrade the reception room, and it takes up power you could allocate towards a trading post/factory instead. you effectively slightly brick your base lmd/exp production by doing this
because it is not downgradable, and it wastes base power that you could use for extra factory level instead
and texas sucks
generally between tragodia and sakiko which one is better and why?
trag
tragodia
cat, thats why
sakiko is just another dps
but the fomo 
fomo
Lowest message in the pins>useful links>newbie vouchers
assuming i can only afford to do one of these banners, which one would be better to pull on? (take into consideration that my account is perfectly capable, the person who uses it is not)
Hoshi Alter/Haruka, Tragoedia, or Bang Dream
tragodia
but you should be able to pull on all 3 anyways
hello with my current operators who should i get? thorns or silver?
hoshi2 have free pulls, and they are pretty far apart
It's always silver
Silver
Same with ave mujica giving 20 free pulls
okay thanks
oh yea forgot collab do that
Alright gamers, how do I beat jt8-3 I’ve been using a lot of different methods and guides, but I only have two leveled healers(neither of whom are e2), thorns, e2 exu alter, and Saria.
(Struggling to tank through second fireball wave)
#strategy can help you
borrow shu
hello anyone know what should upgrade to open this upgrade
youre uh. gonna need 8 lv2 facilities, like it says
upgrade anything on left side
Oh ok they ty :D.
Does everyone usually spend OP for pulls?
Cuz I have like 94 OP but only 3k orundum... Feels like buying skins gonna be a dream. 
I want like 2-3 skins from the shop. Wonder if they'll disappear for years if I don't buy them now.
Just do dailies,weekly and annihilation your orundum will pile up randomly
don't do 10 pulls for 5*
i spend op on sanity but that's not common
I don't
I hate your kind, spending pull currency on stamina...
it's giving broke
i did 10 pulls for 4*
i spend op on skins, mainly because spending them on something ill have forever feels a lot nicer than dumping them on pulls that are liable to go badly
My dailies and weeklies done. As for anni, I haven't tried after that one time.
yeah i buy skins too
if i'm pulling for the pngs i might as well straight up buy them too
You should do them before reset at least(reset in less than 3 hours)
Oof
I spend OP first on enhancement packs from the shop, they give same orundum but also give other things
new anni soon too
can i afk it
Lemme see if I can clear anni with my E1 twam
also pull conversion rate is just ass. 2/3rds of an entire event for a 10pull feels like a ripoff
Yeah, pretty easy
Should I use support? Or is it possible to use auto deploy in anni? (Worth or nah? Since anni is resetting anyways)
Ya I do that too
Just clear it and use proxy cards to max out cap
setting up anni auto only matters for whatever the main rotating map is
i thought you said it was slop
i've already cleared it on cn anyways though
but it wasn'tafk
Ok but I think he can first clear chernobog no support
Is this worth it gng
no
Ight then :'> ill go w monei-
good
help will hold your past, present, and future children hostage if you farm for orundum
youll be in the rock mines and sacrificing a lot of your lmd production to keep this up. bad deal
i heard some helpers ao farm recently 
i don't bc i'm not broke
hello chat is the current orenteering headhunt banner worth pulling on if i have none of the units? if so, what units should i pick 
I have 350 pulls I am still AO farming since I got nothing to work on and I wanna spark Chen alter
i don't bc i'm not broke 💅
save for tradodia
i dont bc my rocks go to the operators i do have, not the ones i hypothetically will
1 pull for the Rate up🚬
@abstract mauve figure youll have thoughts on this
am i looking at this wrong or are astgennalt s3 numbers absolutely dreadful
Does anybody think the same as me that saria alter will be a supporter think about it
Exu sniper to specialist
Silverash guard to vanguard
Eja caster to medic
There is only defender to supporter left
Or there other og defender i dont know about ?
cope goes to #arknights
take your theorizing to #arknights
Ok
What about trag?
Spec to supporter
gg
also no real reason to group exu/eyja/sa/saria like they have any connection beyond happening to be meta on launch
Would anyone here have a maxed out Lemuen that I can conveniently use here? (Please I’m begging you I’m suffering with these challenge stages) 
Is Eyjaalter s1m3 worth it?
not really, it was like a 7% increase of hps
This team should be good for a while yes ?
saria should be on S1
Melantha is kind of dead weight
can I pick dupes from 6* select or is it just operators I don't have
Arguably fang too
16% increase in hps was on s3
Does lv60 mod3 s2m3 and s3me work?
youre allowed to pick dupes, but its a bad idea. get someone you dont have and expand your toolkit
yeah I was thinking the dupes don't really seem to do much
Congratulations, you have basically won. Remove Wis if you don't want it to be too easy
Yup, that's my limit...
Should i like get a medic that could remove stuff like nevous impairment from the seaborn and stuff
That's a godly reroll (if it is one)
I have managed only Exulter with my ass luck
New player here, should I clear these items in the event shop?
I also haven’t got any of the furniture, should I do that?
Get the skill summaries at least?
Don't bother
Its better to just tank them rather than wasting resources building a medic just for it
Just invest the resources into units that help kill whoever is inflicting it than trying to remedy it
Why do you have so many days remaining for the event?
Shop last a week longer than the event itself, but you can no longer farm more currency
its made as a safety net to allow players to convert their currency
Thanks and yup I think the shop last an extra week
It would definitely work, you mind if I add you?
is gladiia mastery still s2
gladiia mastery is no masteries until you see a reason to
shes not used for dps, only sink masteries if you somehow need the added pull force for something
i have her mod3 for ulpi feels wrong that shes still sl7
Gladia when i show up with haruka 
if youre insistent on giving gladiia something, go s3 for the bind, and the pull vacuum can group enemies up for ulpi s3 nuke if youre clever with it
they arent
s3's bigger benefit is that instead of pulling enemies into her and hastening her demise, it stalls them out a distance away from her for a while when used correctly.
If that's a non issue you can use either s2 or s1 if you're lazy.
Just a quick question. Which channel do i use if i want to look for vid relate to CN community?
#cn-lounge ig
^ s1/2 are very liable to pull enemies in and kill her in practice. s3 buys you time with some crowdcontrol first
Is Haruka S2 significantly better than Eyja alt S2?
