Damage Challenge

[dry whale]

Well you have already seen the results with candy. Do expect a lightly lower score depending on gear.

The real question is what's coming in the data mine, I say hold on to it for a few days before making the decision

[stoic crest]

That's a very good point since that's in like 6 hours

Thank you!

[cloud timber]

you're using both of lucian's tms for no reason and that applies gradual healing

lucian's x special attack is useless too and i'm not certain on the value of rosa's tm

if you're not specifically grinding out evasion but even then

also you can ungrid blue's defense drop tile since lucian will be handling that on his own but that's not nearly as major

[warped gulch]

There is just so much wrong thing from that image alone

[stoic crest]

And that is?

[stoic crest]

Oh so Lucian just syncs and growls?

[cloud timber]

yeah

i should have pointed out all of it already

just don't click lucian or rosa tms

[fluid tendon]

And rosa needs to spam sing after syncing, you should only be switching forms twice

[cloud timber]

yeah during sync and during b move

[dry whale]

I did a dry run using a grid of 1/5 Chase and Rosa and Plain 3 star psychic gear.

I also missed a crit and circle ran out.

[warped gulch]

What did you expect me to do ?
Invert pointed pretty much everything

[stoic crest]

Yeah I used her b move then synced

Or is that backwards?

[cloud timber]

that is what would apply psychic rebuff so that is correct

[stoic crest]

I'm shocked Rosa got 30k since she keeps doing 5k ish

[dry whale]

Well you do that hit right at the end when you have all those sync buffs.

But it does proves 1Million is doable with a 1/5 Chase and Rosa and base gear

[plush palm]

does anyone have a alternative for lucian debuffs

a faster one

[cloud timber]

assuming you have rosa and not nc blue/chase you still need para so that should narrow down your options a lot

[plush palm]

i used olympia

[stoic crest]

That's very helpful thank you so much!

I'll give it another whirl

[pallid girder]

Olympia has easier multiplier and self evasion to earn time.
Easier to use if you don't have any limited tech imo.

[plush palm]

better than ss steven suprisingly

[cloud timber]

comparing a bunch of multipliers plus evasion to no multipliers

[plush palm]

he has innate... and thats it tbh

[cloud timber]

yep

meanwhile olympia has brute wits, double down 5, and potentially seun from super preparation 4 on ancient power if anyone bothered with that

[long silo]

I wonder if he'll get a multiplier at 10/5

[cloud timber]

seems unlikely

[long silo]

I'm interested in his 10/5

[hollow wadi]

Either way he’s getting a 1.5x sync by 9/5

[pallid girder]

Maybe sth about his psychic terrain bc although he can set terrain but only 1 time no extension in the entire battle is super useless.

[plush palm]

and only normal mode

dc wants atk

normal deoxys is more of a lg thing

unless you wanna use him as a cosmic power spammer which is fair

[pallid girder]

Oh yes sth about cosmic power spammer will also be cool.
Like stat buff double every time he uses stat buff move.

[plush palm]

he just needs a little more to solo tornadus

Like any buff might be enough to push him there

idk what they could give him besides more dmg and maybe sync accel

Survivability would help if they ever rotate back to psychic hse too i guess

he's good as is

[pallid girder]

He has the missed opportunity that his speed form has Double Team not Cosmic Power so he can't spam in this form, but it's not fixable by sa passive sadly.

[plush palm]

speed form is good for some lg solos

kinda niche tho

you pretty much only ever run normal or atk

idk what to even make of defense form

it used to be good for bv

thats it tho

i havent used it at all in a long time

[pallid girder]

It's good in br to me.
I'm unwilling to give more supports tech cakes other than NC Calem, so whenever I need 3 2.0x bonus in tech + support stage it's either NC Calem or him as my primary tank.

[hollow wadi]

Who pairs well with base Will from the f2p picks?

I only got SS kris and arc Steven for my limited supports

[cloud timber]

if you're going pure f2p will is probably not a great option?

you'll have to take another look at the rest of your options

[icy pendant]

best I can say about Will is he is definitely a choice ™️

[pallid girder]

Check do you have 3/5 Olympia or Lucian first.
They're certainly easier to hit 1M than Will.

[plush palm]

olympia is better than lucian

[hollow wadi]

No Lucian and Olympia is 1/5 unfort

Psychic roster is kinda limited lol

Tried going for like BP Barry and Player Torchic and that went alright, but only like 300k

[cloud timber]

yeah that's basically what you have to do

[hollow wadi]

Worth a try. Thank you!

[cloud timber]

really since bp barry provides +2 special attack and he can double his stats with tm you only need to provide +1 crit for max offenses

you could do ss elesa and she can provide para for elio but you're dealing with 20% para

[plush palm]

his tm is bugged btw

it doesnt do what it says it does

[hollow wadi]

Oh I thought it only worked on the target?

[hollow wadi]

That would explain a lot lol

Is it like Tate then?

[plush palm]

yes

[hollow wadi]

Oh sick

Wonder if I could do bp Barry and Tina then

Cuz she gives +2 everything

[cloud timber]

it actually does exactly what it says it does, it's just that it changed from before without notice

target says self

[plush palm]

wait what

when did this happen

[hollow wadi]

That’s still kinda misleading

But makes sense

[cloud timber]

yeah it works on a technicality

[hollow wadi]

So for will runs

Is it better to sync rush or to spam stored power

[cloud timber]

sync rush

[plush palm]

rush

[thick stump]

if anything it should be worded like tates

[hollow wadi]

So should I swap Tina for Bianca then?

[thick stump]

definitely is misleading

[cloud timber]

yeah

[plush palm]

if you have ny lillie or smth i guess you could use evasion w/ him too

[thick stump]

because right now this is will's tm's current effect (afaik)

[hollow wadi]

I got solgalillie that’s prob close enough

[plush palm]

wait no ny lillie has team regen

Dont use her

[hollow wadi]

Wait if I go Barry I don’t have crit

Is there a lucky skill that gives +1 crit on entry or something

[cloud timber]

you're always using critical strike 2/ww3/sp3 on your damage dealer

[hollow wadi]

Gotcha

[cloud timber]

sawyer does have team sharp entry 1 as a custom lucky skill if you have access to that

also with bp barry you can also simultaneously spam with confuse ray once they're confused for passiveless spam

but you have to manage the gauge carefully

[plush palm]

tina works just fine

[hollow wadi]

I have sawyer with the lucky skill but yeah Tina might be better

She’s already EX’d too which is nice

Should I go for both support syncs or just one before spamming will

[cloud timber]

oh yeah if sawyer was ex'd i'd say work with that but since tina is the difference isn't major

use both

[hollow wadi]

Awesome, thanks for all the help!

[cloud timber]

np

[pallid girder]

Shouldn't it be 1 support sync only if you can't sync 6 times in total?
With Will + unoptimal team I think they will do 5 syncs at most.

[hollow wadi]

I can test both

[plush palm]

wait

bp janine as will enabler?

if ex

[cloud timber]

i don't know the fine details of 1 vs 2 support syncs, i just did 2 every time i had 2 support exes and didn't worry about it

bp janine would be ideal actually with team sharp entry and providing evasion

[plush palm]

its dumb but if it works?

[cloud timber]

it's not really dumb

also unbending on grid matters

30% drop chance per crunch

[plush palm]

idk if they have ex crobat tho

[cloud timber]

might be worth just running the one support ex anyway

[pallid girder]

Next is DC unit is Cheren with Liepard. Dark Sprint most likely.

[long silo]

Super Sparring I assume

[thick stump]

just how super is this sparring

[long silo]

No info yet. Just there's an image with it

[cunning rock]

Holiday Lillie has Sing, SEUN, and Speed boosting

LOOOL

[cloud timber]

chase 10/5 gets one symun per tm but that might just make him worse off

delays that only pay off for first sync boost

unless you're saving tms for later

[acoustic chasm]

Yes LMAO
And she can max team speed just by using TM and 2 Sings

[cunning rock]

And she's Sprint/Support, she's 100% gonna be a DC staple

[acoustic chasm]

My top 2 Pokémon character being good in my current favorite mode

[brisk shale]

*hitting 2 sings

so you'd have to delay applying status

[acoustic chasm]

Oh right, it says if the move is successful

[cunning rock]

It should count towards her B-Hyper Voice too but you need to consider that it's a B Move but hey, she's packing SEUN too

You just need Chase or someone to inflict para and dodge and you're really solid

[cloud timber]

imagine hit the gas increases gauge requirement for sing

[cunning rock]

[icy pendant]

passive specifies attack move so if it did it would be a bug

[cunning rock]

Yeah but it if was a 2-bar sing, Holiday Lillie would go from really good for DC to... okay

[brisk shale]

her tm has mga

so i guess you could technically maintain it

[cunning rock]

Shame that her TM is for Special attackers, if it was for Physical, NC Blue + Holiday Lillie can fully buff almost every attacker in DC

[warped gulch]

Should i delete the YT channel?

Look at it make me mad

[cunning rock]

I'd say not yet. Give it some time to clear your head before you think about deleting

[cloud timber]

leave it as is, ideally

[pallid girder]

Increases the amount of move gauge slots needed to use attack moves by one.
It's prob 1 bar sing still.

[cunning rock]

Yeah, it should still be one bar

[void laurel]

i know for a FACT yall gonna get him 10/5 just for this mode

Reduces the user’s sync move countdown by two after using its max move. Increases the Physical Moves ↑ Next effect of all allied sync pairs by two ranks after using the user’s max move. Reduces physical attack move damage taken by allies

red and snorlax superawake

[cunning rock]

It's mostly just for the CD really

[pallid girder]

Will 10/5 exr N beat Ash in MT?
Kinda not expecting him to get field tbh.

[cloud timber]

10/5 won't make redlax much more relevant than he is, and he rarely gets used in optimal teams

much unlike oleana

[long silo]

I lowkey kind of scared when I saw Rei, as a DC player but thankfully that Fighting Zone won't be a horror in DC with how he usually plays

[cunning rock]

Also with how limited ST Fairy is, just 3/5 SS Wally and VCalem (probably), it might be possible for 3/5 Holiday Lillie to hit 1M

Innate Inertia and 3/5 Brainpower

[sacred badger]

Supersparring eh 😮

guess i'm waiting for details

[pallid girder]

He also gets Team Impervious under circle, which apparently help prevent debuff animation from proccing.
You also will save 1 mga and 1 circle in the latter fight, which means the 2nd or 3nd sync of the dd might still get +1 syup.
I feel like it's not totally a time loss with his sa, but I'm not gonna 10/5 him anyway.

[sullen zephyr]

arc leon is built to dominate DC

[fallen trail]

yeah he basically has tech strike and multi sync

and his sync gives seun

go brr like no charizard has before

[pallid girder]

He's built to let ppl know how poor they made Arc Lance 😦

[acoustic chasm]

Extra sync buff from supp EXR, compresses sing spam so can run fairy zone/rebuff/wally, has her own SEUN
I'm finally ditching Summer Marnie

[fallen trail]

arc lance has some utility at least

leon is super gauge hungry

[sacred badger]

hah. yeah this should do it :>

[fallen trail]

not an issue here obviously

[sullen zephyr]

which is not a problem in dc

[cloud timber]

scorching sync 9 though, burn reliant

at least he's pure single target unlike ss lysandre

[fallen trail]

he is AOE

but no penalty

from his passive

[cloud timber]

oh

yeah

[cunning rock]

Yeah, I can effectively run SS Wally (just 2/5 for me) with her. And I get 3/5 her as soon as I get her. I can't wait to finally hit 1M on Fairy ST DC

[cloud timber]

ss lysandre 2

[sullen zephyr]

they just gave diantha +9 smun and +9 symun every non-accelerated sync cycle

[pallid girder]

SS Lysandre gets more dmg for his bmove at 10/5 at least, also self set rain once.

[cloud timber]

yeah i'll actually afford that one

[copper otter]

Can anyone confirm if Holiday Lillie will be replacing Melony or will Pep Rally 2 destroy her usability?

the Pep rally is the only thing making me concerned

[cloud timber]

it only applies on successful use

sing spam uses failed uses

so as soon as you apply para it's out of the picture

[copper otter]

Ok then she will straight up replace melony then

[cloud timber]

elio too

though elio's tm still has its uses

[pallid girder]

It's a surprise they make one of the best dc support a seasonal.

[cunning rock]

Holiday Lillie straight up outclasses Melony at this point. Also 3/5 has HS1.

I'm surprised they even made a unit very dedicated to DC

[cloud timber]

yeah first time

on the enabler end

[cunning rock]

Also 2/5 has 50% Gobsmack for those Interference syncs

Like Anni Skyla

[dusty solar]

idk i think the b move is going to be a time killer

3 of those suckers is like two full syncs gone

[cunning rock]

Probably no different to Redlax's, probably slower.

[pallid girder]

Just don't use it if it really waste time.

[cunning rock]

At least there's some compensation with that -1 CD

[pallid girder]

She's still 100% better than Melony outside of that.

[dusty solar]

eh

[cloud timber]

yeah she's not reliant on it

just something that can potentially add

[dusty solar]

super sparring kind of a dead mode anyways now with superawakenings

[cunning rock]

3/5 also gives +2 SMUN on First sync as well

[pallid girder]

The top dc score will now not just do you have 10/5 the best pair, and also do you have HLillie.

[cunning rock]

BRUH, Milo 2/5 has a niche in DC, he has Static Cling.

It's only 30% para when hit but that's honestly all he needs to be worth slotting.

[cloud timber]

annoying that it has to be on a reactive passive but at least it's something

[acoustic chasm]

What else does he do

[cunning rock]

-2 speed when he gets hit

[cloud timber]

aoe speed lower on b move + seun + 2 pmun

[cunning rock]

He's a Support with +4 atk and +2 acc/crit TM

[pallid girder]

I can't see Milo info in brybry. Weird.

[cloud timber]

should be there

[acoustic chasm]

Damn LOL
SEUN and passive sync damage boost to the whole team

[cunning rock]

Also 1/5 has Stalwart and Unbending to nope those random stat drops.

[cloud timber]

i wouldn't have him tanking in ideal situations though

[cunning rock]

In non DC, he definitely wants 4/5, +1 party def and party sp def tiles when he attacks

[pallid girder]

Reduces the user’s sync move countdown by one after your team’s sync pair uses their max move.
Wow first time team passive about max moves.

Elio gets a custom cookie? Let's see... apply special reduction field? Wow so useless in DC.

[dusty solar]

you’re right where’s afflicter’s fervor 8

[vapid kernel]

Milo seems good for physical DC

Para, speed debuff and optional SE next

[plush palm]

but b move animation

[cloud timber]

and reactive passives, we'll see how good the speed debuffs are at compensating

[vapid kernel]

Im gonna get Lillie cus my fairy sucks plus shes gonna be good on fairy dc st

[cloud timber]

dc cheren gets infinite seun and team evasion, should be 1m capable

sprint

only brainpower for actual sync mult though

[vapid kernel]

Omg Lillie ls is Speedsters Sync

Shes gonna be so good

[vernal condor]

So who's pulling on Lillie for the best sing spam in the game lol

[cunning rock]

Me

[warped gulch]

Definitely not me

[cloud timber]

me

[cunning rock]

She's actually the only one I'm interested in this month.

[cloud timber]

i need to take chase too

[cunning rock]

Shame there isn't a select scout on December

[cunning rock]

[pallid girder]

It will in new year.

[cunning rock]

What's funny was I thought I was gonna be pulling for Milo or Holiday Bugsy because Support. Nope.

But yeah, Holiday Lillie was clearly designed for DC because she has zero passives that benefit from Sleep.

[pallid girder]

I'll aim to pull HBugsy first. He'll be my 2nd ever Support Field

[vapid kernel]

Me

Fairy and Ghost ST DC are my only weaknesses thts why i have to

[vernal condor]

She also doesnt have anything else and no accuracy

[vapid kernel]

I cud 3/5 SS Korrina but also like hm

[vapid kernel]

Hes good

[cunning rock]

Yeah, she's a two in one package. Sing spammer and can probably hit 1M on ST Fairy DC

[vapid kernel]

She definitely can 1M

With 2 multipliers

And her own singing

Just need chase and fairy zone

[cunning rock]

Not really Chase, literally just any para Support.

Plus 5/5 Penny for some reason

The fact that she packs her own party speed buffs means she really just needs someone to enable Sing spam

[safe prawn]

Me but for rally purposes

Tired of having to do dmg with nc Rosa when supp+sprint comes up

[acoustic chasm]

Now we have HLillie and HYDRO CANNON SS BLUE

[cursive linden]

Bruh

[olive wraith]

hop fight1 ground3 fire3
N bug3 water1
Barry fly1 rock1 grass3

[pallid girder]

Fire 3 is most certainly guaranteed for Arc Leon.

[cunning rock]

We had ST Rock two Ranked DCs ago.

[long silo]

Flying 1v1

[safe prawn]

We have 2 ranked?

[safe prawn]

With sskris rain boosted

[pallid girder]

Didn't stop them repeat fairy mt with no rule again this month tho.

[cunning rock]

OH RIGHT.

They did

[cloud timber]

same day the variety galar pairs are showing up so fire/water/grass weak

[cursive linden]

It's gonna be
Hop Fire 3 (Arc Leon)
N Bug 3 (Hol Bugsy)
Barry Fly 1 (He did rock before)

[cursive linden]

[vernal condor]

Barry Grass 3

He has a grass stage

And so N is Water 1

[cunning rock]

And VBede is Field/Tech

[cursive linden]

I could agree with that

[safe prawn]

I’m feeling dumb but are we getting a double super sparring?

[sacred badger]

gonna wait for quest details later.

[cloud timber]

we are

2 months in a row

yeah barry grass 3, n water 1, hop fire 3

[vernal condor]

Lol V Hop is gonna dominate Grass 3

[pallid girder]

Imagine someone uses mix Red in grass, SS Red in fire, and Redlax in water lol.
Red metaverse.

[cursive linden]

Grass 3: Brendan + Colress + Hol. Lillie
Water 1: NC Serena + NC Blue + NC Rosa
Fire 3: SS Hilda OR Arc Leon + NC Leaf + Melony

[vernal condor]

It's not even a question, he's so good for DC

[cursive linden]

Is that good?

[vernal condor]

120% additive mult, SEUN all syncs (even the 1st), Grassy Terrain, Physical Circle

The only problematic part is having to max early to drop the speed aoe

Well "early", just before the 1st sync (like 3 moves before so you can b move and then tm)

[pallid girder]

It's funny the possibly top 3 grass mt dds are: a mix (asset flip + paywalled), a Variety (asset flip) and a Genpool.

[fluid anvil]

Gonna get lillie to replace Melony
she doesnt need speed buffs, so if your dps has status - you can replace nc blue too

[vernal condor]

She kinda needs speed tho, sing wont proc pep rally

Tho Ig you can just use some moves before starting the spam

[acoustic chasm]

Her TM will

[fluid anvil]

you can just use any move 2-3 times and then start sing spam

her base speed is 419, pretty good

[pallid girder]

She's like the ultimate sing pair.

[cunning rock]

You can probably afford to run on +2 Speed before popping her B Move. Due to the animation, you get a lot of gauge back and another +2 speed

[vernal condor]

Not really because she doesnt have a stat drop passive like Poppy or Lodge Shauna

But she's the best we got for sure

[vernal condor]

Her b is so slow, idk if it's worth the SEUN

[acoustic chasm]

It will depend on the stage I guess

If there is enough leftover time at the end but not enough for another sync

[cunning rock]

Yeah, if you want to avoid her B move entirely. 1 TM + 2 Moonblasts should be good or if she's 2/5 you rely on that 30% MPR tile

[vernal condor]

1 moonblast should already be enough

[vagrant ivy]

hm yes arc leon, nc kantrio as well as holiday lillie all in this month

and I have 3k gems rn

damn

and so many dc relevant units too

[pallid girder]

Support + sprint: ☑️
No innate passive attached to sing: ☑️
Self speed sustain: ☑️
More - sync cd outside sprint ex: ☑️
Can give team SEUN if you have spare time: ☑️

[vagrant ivy]

goodbye normal primarina welcome shiny primarina

I’ll need to get really lucky this month

[cunning rock]

Elio is still gonna see use in slow speed comps and his TM still enables Physical attackers like SST Red

RIP Melony tho

[vagrant ivy]

melony is still genpool

[fluid anvil]

even in slow speed comps new Lillie should be better than Elio? especially since her TM has MGA

[cloud timber]

yeah

[cunning rock]

Yeah she should. 3/5 has HS1 and Lillie having Sprint pushes her up by a lot

The only downside to her is that she doesn't buff anybody's stats but herself.

[cloud timber]

yea melony's buffs aren't useless

i needed her tm to buff lear crit and set rising tide

and top off spa

[cunning rock]

Especially that Team Sharp Entry saves a turn from clicking double Dire Hit+

[vapid kernel]

Fire water grass then obviously

Smh dena release the 3 galar starters again instead of Striaton trio

[pallid girder]

Elio should've gotten sth about - sync cd for his custom cookie 😢

[cunning rock]

We would have complained anyway if it was just Adrenaline or HS

[cloud timber]

^

and they weren't going to give anything better than that

[cunning rock]

If it was something like Team Sharp Entry 3 or something that boosted team stats, we would have

[pallid girder]

I'll take 2, not 1 tho.

[true locust]

Do we have line up confirmed for ranked?

[cloud timber]

not "confirmed" but grass 3, water 1, fire 3 would line up with existing stages and upcoming pairs

[pallid girder]

Btw Gloria won't get her exr and sa until Jan so SS Lear might dominant steel mt once since it's in Dec.

[long silo]

No VThorton for me to try and push

[cloud timber]

water triple will be in time for 10/5 ss lysandre (to still be outperformed by dahlia)

arc leon is similarly not going to live up to arc cynthia standards

[cunning rock]

Meanwhile I need weigh in if I want to use Dahlia to deal with Water or enable Grass

[cloud timber]

usually it ends up being water

[true locust]

I saw holiday lillie new meta spam?

[cloud timber]

yep

[true locust]

Sing but sad i 2 gauge

Wat suks badly

[cunning rock]

Sing isn't affected by Hit The Gas

It's not an attack move

[cloud timber]

^

[true locust]

A jesus

Wow i sure get lillie

6 speed for team

1 gauge spam sprint sync

Lol dc meta unit

A now she dont get speed

Since sing fails

[olive wraith]

and super effect

[cunning rock]

It should proc with her TM so insta +2 Party Speed

[true locust]

Super effect from sync

Saw it but its one time

So not realy big deal your first sync buffed

[cunning rock]

That's +2 SMUN

Not SEUN

1st S-Move: Team Special Boost 2
Increases the Special Moves ↑ Next effect of all allied sync pairs by two ranks the first time the user’s sync move is used each battle.

[true locust]

Then is pointless use

Waist time

[cursive linden]

The funniest shit about Hol Lillie is that she can be a good Nuker in Fairy 3v1

Something we do not have for F2Ps

[cunning rock]

And AFAIK your options to 1M is 3/5 SS Wally, 3/5 VCalem, 3/5 Seasonal (Marnie and Serena).

[true locust]

New arc leon is shitt but he is build for dc only

Super up next from sync

[zenith jolt]

He don’t hit in aoe so why ?

[fluid anvil]

Lillie doesnt even need 3/5 much aside from HS1
I will leave her at 1/5

[true locust]

He hit aoe sync and max move

Leon

Its why

[pallid girder]

Check his passive.

[cunning rock]

I never hit 1M on ST Fairy so I'm 3/5ing her.

[true locust]

But again burn sync multiplayer is bad

Leon never hit high

[cursive linden]

I might skip Arc Leon

And pull for Hol 2024 duo instead

[true locust]

3 burn target waist hell time

[vagrant ivy]

7m might be tight for arc leon

[dusk plume]

does DC Cheren look like a viable option for Dark 3v1?

[vagrant ivy]

yeah

[fluid anvil]

Leon is terrible in DC because of needing burn lol
He isnt that good outside DC either
easy skip

[zenith jolt]

Okk yeah i’m blind

[vagrant ivy]

hm

[zenith jolt]

Omg he’s Even more awesome

[true locust]

Leon score the higher in 3 vs 3 fire

Since have rebuffs

[cursive linden]

Super Infliction 9 and Brainpower

Oh yeah DC Cheren is a good candidate

[true locust]

Use leon and leaf and lillie

[cunning rock]

Possible. Positive Evasion for innate and Brainpower via grid.

[dusk plume]

evasion and speed buffs too

[pallid girder]

Talking about Dark, will SS Cyrus absolutely be the best on his own after his sa?

Not pairing with NC Serena I mean.

[sullen zephyr]

Can arc leon just wait for his gauge to fill up to spam b move instead of sync?

[cursive linden]

When will we get DC Cheren?

29th?

[pallid girder]

Dec 1.

[dusk plume]

Dec 1 I think?

[cursive linden]

Ah it's alright, Dark 3v1 is on late Dec

[dusk plume]

thinking of just using my tickets on 3/5 DC Cheren from the get go

might even 5/5 him since there's no one else I need to power up atm

[pallid girder]

Last time the best dark 3v1 team is (prob) Red + SS Cyrus + NC Serena and NC Serena nuking.
But after 9/5 of stat & power boost and maybe 10/5 sa passive SS Cyrus can do better w/o Serena ig?

[cloud timber]

he might be able to get 1m

[long silo]

Question: did the Cyrus + Marnie strat required 3/5 Cyrus

[cloud timber]

if he's not main dd 2/5 should be enough

[long silo]

He's my prime candidate for the field cake for BR reasons, but he's 1/5

[vernal condor]

He got SEUN on all syncs

I think you're exaggerating

[long silo]

So idk if he can work for Marnie spam

[pallid girder]

In br you can sleep spam and walk out a random stage with 0 hit.

[true locust]

Did you saw

You need burn all from max move

[fluid anvil]

7M? I doubt he will outdamage 10/5 SS Hilda + NC Leaf team

[true locust]

Or use inferno 3 times

If use g max apply damage field

Wat suks

[vernal condor]

Or use SS Ingo and burn all 3 of them at once

[true locust]

For time

Ss ingo is not sup exr

You will lose sup sync

[vernal condor]

You have variety marnie for that

[fluid anvil]

so does SS Hilda. His dmg isnt bad, but needing triple burn is quite bad for DC

[true locust]

And g max you can use only in the end

[cloud timber]

yeah he's not touching 7m

[fluid anvil]

he doesnt have sun, so you still need NC leaf probably

[true locust]

Since cant apply field from start

[vernal condor]

again, variety marnie lol

[cunning rock]

Aparrently we're getting a free VGalar Trio this month too

[vernal condor]

WAIT REALLY

Don't lie to me like that

[vagrant ivy]

[rain copper]

WAIT REALLY

[cloud timber]

?

[vernal condor]

What's your source

[fluid anvil]

random or choice?

[vagrant ivy]

no way they’re that generous

[pallid girder]

SS Cyrus alr got 1M by himself. The question is will he beat NC Serena with upgrade?

[vernal condor]

if it's really almost certainly random

[true locust]

Where is free?

[vernal condor]

isn't that just the ticket you get from the step up pull or smth

[cloud timber]

oh i was scrolled up and meaning to say dc cheren*

[true locust]

Its banner

Pay round

You choise in the end

[cloud timber]

i got 1.7m+ twice with ss cyrus already at 4/5

[true locust]

Lol like now

Same like hilda fubert calem

[cloud timber]

i don't think his 10/5 passive helps

[true locust]

Pay benner

[cloud timber]

power play is already fully set every time he syncs

plus he's not using dark wish

it's just more reliable accuracy debuff and that's it

[pallid girder]

9/5 of the stat boost might impact?

[cloud timber]

spdef too

9/5 always does a lot

ok and speed does matter too

[pallid girder]

Sad that he got regular move boost not sync move boost under zone.

[sacred badger]

tghat's for the tier scout.

[cunning rock]

Ah, alright RIP dream

[sacred badger]

yeah sorry 😦

[cunning rock]

So no free unit this December

[sacred badger]

check missions if there are any

[cunning rock]

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE HAPPY BOX

[pallid girder]

Oh wait it's asleep not zone. Never mind.

[cloud timber]

10/5 boost isn't under zone, it's vs asleep targets which don't exist in dc meta

yeah

which makes it even more useless

[vagrant ivy]

even if I skip arc leon I do want to at least cover hLillie and nc blue to stay relevant per se

will need to get real lucky

[scenic grotto]

Wait, are people saying that DC Cheren is usable for DC event stages that prevent status effects?

[cunning rock]

He can

But you need a different spammer

[scenic grotto]

Nice!
punts Aaron

[cunning rock]

Like Aaron while DC Cheren is busy dodging everything

Any attacker with evasion is a nice perk to have in DC

[scenic grotto]

Oh, thought you meant DC Cheren being able to spam DT

[cunning rock]

Oh he should work for that too

But you need speed boosts

[scenic grotto]

Good

[pallid girder]

Nope. You can't spam move that only buff 1 stat.

[scenic grotto]

Darn :/

[cunning rock]

[scenic grotto]

It did sound like DC Cheren was going to be a more convenient version of Aaron

[pallid girder]

It's the main reason why SS Steven's speed form is useless in dc even tho the other part is perfect like -cd, support exr and evasion.

[cloud timber]

nope

if it was like that we'd already have tons more options

[cunning rock]

Regardless, you do want DC Cheren to be tanking in ST Dark DC

Because of his evasion

[cloud timber]

always, whatever has the most evasion

[scenic grotto]

Right, good to clarify

[dusty solar]

I got my SS Wally 3/5 and fled

[sacred badger]

forgotten probably. 😦

[long silo]

[brazen escarp]

What are the most common premium supports in DC and why

[vernal condor]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CCTxz0TX-y_D-Z5Dd0fJpBIdC-TXa2RoPDpLhJhcFlg/edit

That should answer it

[scenic grotto]

1 bar status moves that buff more than 1 stat would be good, even if it needs speed support

Bulk Up or Calm Mind with Fuel Economy would be great
Moves that haven’t been added yet: Coil, Dragon Dance, Growth, Quiver Dance, Shift Gear, Work Up

Dragon Dance, Quiver Dance, and Shift Gear buff speed
But Dragon Dance and Shift Gear only buff 2 stats, so only have to worry about being able to max those two stats out

[dusty solar]

Chase, Kanto Circle and evasion buffs
NC Blue, speed buffs, def drops on sync, and unconditional sync move buff
C Red, refreshable SEUP, sprint exr
NC Rosa, sing, sprint exr

ignoring on type buffs they give

[pseudo stag]

Quick question: how much set up does adaman require in DC, or can I just have 2 random supps with status spam??

[dusty solar]

you only need one status spammer

[stoic crest]

Like other monthly events poof

[dusty solar]

i think leafeon egg grassy terrain is your best bet without premium supports

aka c red

[vagrant ivy]

any funny params revealed for ranked this time

[vernal condor]

Not yet

[cunning rock]

Immediate panik if any of them has status immunity

[dusty solar]

I suspect it’s Fire Water Grass for the Galar varieties

but no params revealt

[vapid kernel]

SS Hilda same thing

[dusty solar]

Probably Grass AOE, Water Single, Fire AOE

that’s my guess and I’m locking it in

[true locust]

Its why leon its not the best sadly burn sync is bad

Fire aoe yes

Grass aoe not sure about it

[vagrant ivy]

mix red

[candid nexus]

Whos the strongest sync pair for psychic this time?

[dusty solar]

Hop and Rillaboom are AOE and we just had Single

[candid nexus]

Guessing f2p is girafarig?

[cunning rock]

Girafarig or Sigilyph

[pallid girder]

If you're asking pyschic st, Olympia is generally better.
Lucian can hit 1M but need more effort.

[pseudo stag]

Would 1 status spammer + mix red work as an alternative

[vapid kernel]

Girafarig the strongest

[dusty solar]

yes

[vapid kernel]

hop looks better than Mix red

[dusty solar]

spread out your max move and sync to keep grassy terrain up for adaman’s syncs

but leafeon doesn’t hog a sync

[long silo]

DC people, what is the important move level for SS Wally for the 3v3 Fairy

Is it 3/5 or 4/5

[pseudo stag]

Managed to get 800k on super sparring, sucks that I can't use barry because of terrain

[vernal condor]

if you're talking about the gladion clear, idk if head start is mandatory or not

you should check a vid of the clear

[long silo]

I know 3/5 helps with SpD debuff, but ye I was mainly eyeing if HS is needed

I can't right now but I'll check once I get home

[olive wraith]

VS Hop & Corviknight (Fire 3),No rules.
VS N & Archeops(Water 1),Reduces the damage allies deal with physical attack moves and sync moves by 80%.
VS Barry & Floatzel(Grass 3),Opponents are immune to status conditions and won’t flinch, become confused, or become trapped.

[vernal condor]

[long silo]

all my waters besides SS Lys are physical

[vagrant ivy]

is cerena phys or spec

top water DDs are mainly special so it shouldn’t change much

[long silo]

Well it changes my options

[cunning rock]

WELP LOOKS LIKE DAHLIA IS ON GRASS SUPPORT DUTY AGAIN

[vagrant ivy]

it invalidates a few lodge waters and crasher wake

[long silo]

I do think I can force Lys to get 1m at least

[vagrant ivy]

grass 3v3 no status is something

[vernal condor]

special thankfully

[vernal condor]

why

you cant spam teeter dance

[long silo]

Maybe I'll daily pull Cerena before or during DC

Oleana gaming while Dahlia sets up

...assuming they can sustain gauge

[pallid girder]

They really say "f*** you OG Kris enjoyers" lol

[long silo]

Well twofer is a thing but we'll see how slow the overall run is

OG Kris is striker anyway

Not much help on 3v1 Water

[vagrant ivy]

tbh it’s a 3v1 stage

might have to run Aaron for grass 3v3

no oleana

[pseudo stag]

What does aaron even do, aside from def buff spam

[long silo]

Huh. Oleana/Dahlia/Mix Red may pop odd actually.

[pallid girder]

I mean we don't have really good f2p water st and some ppl just reuse OG Kris in 3v1.

[long silo]

Faster Smarty Pants setup

[cunning rock]

My only option was Brendan and I barely got 1M with him

[vagrant ivy]

same over here

can’t even roll for SP3 this time since no gauntlet

huh

[pallid girder]

OG Kris or Bea. That's it. One is striker and one has annoying multiplier.

I used SS Hilbert DPS spam to reach 1M btw lol.

[normal parcel]

Not really dead, but definitely the average Joe can't even try to push for good rank

[vernal condor]

def buff spam

[vagrant ivy]

redlax SA will make a considerable diff between whales and non whales in physical comps

chase SA does little for him in this mode

[vast glade]

Yeah, it dissapointed me a bit as I was hoping he'd get rebuff at least or maybe further sync acceleration since they gave him a personality trait of liking to run. I will still superawaken him anyway duo bias but it's funny Redlax gets to do more of that than him

I'll do this for both anyway

Also I was wondering how viable would Xmas Lillie be here but for the coments, she might be worth a shot. Sounds like she will be better than Rosa and will most likely replace Melony?

[vagrant ivy]

team SEUN on b hyper voice

I’m worried about move animation time

[cloud timber]

largely a melony replacement yea

but she lacks team offensive buffs, only provides speed

melony's tm did not at all go unused

[vast glade]

Well, NC Rosa's been used as a spammer despite that so I can see Lillie working. Worst case, you save her b-move for before last sync or last b-move by main damage dealer

[vagrant ivy]

her main utility other than spam is b disarming voice which gives team SEUN and more accessible speed buffs

[vagrant ivy]

yeah

[vast glade]

Well with how most major damage dealers being self sufficient that might not be an issue

[cloud timber]

ehhh i would not at all classify her b move as her main utility

most of the time it won't be, but not 100%

so she's not a perfect replacement

[vast glade]

I know she won't change the fairy team of SS Gladion, SS Wally and Penny

[pallid girder]

Well maybe she'll be the top unit in st.

[normal parcel]

I mean melony is only better if you are desperate for those sp attack buffs

Even if you don't use her b move at all is melony with sprint

[lethal siren]

Ss grimsley and sharpedo
New water triple dc unit

[cunning rock]

Melony with Sprint that isn't dependent on another unit to give Speed

[normal parcel]

And better base speed too

[pallid girder]

Last time the best fairy st use the exact same team as mt.
HLillie might not replace anyone in mt but she'll change the team for st.

[teal haven]

I'll take it

[normal parcel]

Is more that will probably replace melony in most teams

[cloud timber]

ss grimsley still possibly has worse raw output than kris but he does come with evasion

[normal parcel]

Yes grimsley mega tax is pretty punishing

[cunning rock]

Yeah, HLillie will straight up replace Melony if Melony's buffs aren't needed

Elio still has a niche in low Speed teams and his TM supports Physical attackers

[normal parcel]

Guess I will skip Leon, it will definitely outclass SS Hilda but I can't really afford 500 pity 1% yellow candies only for a type that I already have good enough options

[cloud timber]

yeah ss grimsley has equivalent multipliers now and higher base attack but mega tax

[pallid girder]

The top player think he'll be worse actually.
As main dd burn sync multipler is terrible, and as enhancer NC Leaf compress support exr and sun.

[normal parcel]

The other sync multiplier is also damage field so that's pretty annoying

[vast glade]

Melony with Sprint? A spotlight with EXR? Madness, Dena would say

[normal parcel]

New spotlights all have exr is just the old ones that get no exr

At least I think they do starting from Lenora

Problem with sharpedo is that his mega is 10% attack and 30% speed so the mega tax is also more vexing compared to an unit that gets 20 or even 30% boost in offense

[cloud timber]

don't think he has this

so optimizing him at least won't be that bad

[normal parcel]

True, probably I confused the special hit 9 with a sync multiplier

[vernal condor]

you want to max move at 3 countdown before the last sync

then you sync into seun +3 smun b move

[normal parcel]

I guess last b move will be 999k

But not sure how many syncs it can land

[vernal condor]

with vmarnie ingo, 3 i hope

maybe 4 since you get evasion from ingo

[normal parcel]

But still, I think Lillie is a better overall investment for dc

[vernal condor]

for sure especially since she only needs 1exr

[cunning rock]

100% fine at 1/5 but would want EXR

[ivory kestrel]

can DC Cheren work in DC? I tried double team spamming with Eve/Eevee, its not really spammable as there's a prompt once you max your evasion

[cunning rock]

As a DPS, for sure. He won't work as a spammer

[normal parcel]

Double team doesn't work, you need stuffs like defend order

[cloud timber]

yeah it's pretty useless as a spam move

[normal parcel]

It needs to buff more than 1 stat (and fail)

[vernal condor]

I wonder who's actually better between HLillie and SSIngo

[normal parcel]

Ingo isn't a 2 gauge spammer?

[vernal condor]

supp sync is nice but the more you sync the less value it gets, while Def/SpD drops are always the same

yeah but it works "fine"

[normal parcel]

I guess the team needs to be gauge friendly for ingo

[cloud timber]

also ingo has no support ex

[vernal condor]

.

[cunning rock]

But him actually racking up enough dodges might be enough to compensate if you get another sync in

Very rng tho

[cloud timber]

that is less in reference to being second support sync and more for being the first

[vernal condor]

ah you mean lillie as supp + smth that's not supp but brings damage + dps

[cloud timber]

yeah that part will afford her more flexibility that ingo doesn't have on top of needing half the gauge

[fluid anvil]

Lillie for non ghost teams IMO

[vernal condor]

idk

we'll have to see but I'm not too sure

evasion is kinda huge

[true locust]

So leon leaf melony. Lax/ chase serena lilie. And bianca victor and corless

Or lilie will swap whit melony for gauge better

Since serena give speed any way

[icy pendant]

not pulling for DC reasons but I don’t see why I shouldn’t grab him in my pursuit of everyone

[cloud timber]

i don't feel like it takes a lot to make a better arc fair

[fluid anvil]

I dislike the kit

[icy pendant]

arc fairs now are a bit more on the simple kit side in favor of both combining multiple passives into one and cranking a number up far beyond what it should be at the moment but it leaves room for eventual arc suit powercreep trust

[normal parcel]

Leon is still busted I think, but burn is a bit annoying in DC and fire already has great units (including fire rebuffer

[cloud timber]

2 less passives than the other arc pairs and few antigimmicks when the most important stuff is highly gimmick-centric

most dependent on teammates

only raw output to compensate which doesn't age well

[normal parcel]

At this point I'm happy that it isn't that great since I don't really want to deal with 500 pity and yellow candies requirement, at least is easier to skip

[cloud timber]

yep

[normal parcel]

I guess final b move will probably hit for 999k

[icy pendant]

if it doesn’t on 700 BP +3 SMUN +SEUN probably then I’d be shocked

or is the move power so high that you could consider just going DPS with him?

[normal parcel]

B move is single use

[icy pendant]

okay so then 183BP extend range inferno is still not terrible

[normal parcel]

Inferno isn't extend range

Is like attack Deoxys

[cloud timber]

b move can give him some shot at 7m tbh, barely considered

[normal parcel]

But max move too

DPS is single target

[cloud timber]

everything is aoe with one of his passives

[normal parcel]

I thought I read only max and sync

Otherwise it will just hit for 3m just with b move

[icy pendant]

oh it really is only sync and max that get extend range

he’s kinda mid but sync gives SEUN

[vagrant ivy]

Champion Who Hears the Cheers When the user’s sync move or max move attacks an opponent, the target becomes all opposing sync pairs. The power of sync moves or max moves affected by this passive skill is not lowered even if there are multiple targets. Except in certain circumstances, successful hits with the user’s following attacks become critical hits: sync move or max moves.
Champion Time! Reduces the user’s sync move countdown by three after using its max move. Increases the user’s Special Moves ↑ Next effect by three ranks after using its max move.
The Unbeatable Leon The user’s moves never miss. Protects the user against critical hits.

yep just sync and max

nothing that says regular moves

[cloud timber]

site stopped loading so i didn't get to check for certain

[vapid kernel]

Single use b move too

Hes spamming Inferno like before

[cloud timber]

yea without aoe on b move he's still very crippled on burn reliance

[vapid kernel]

Same as Cynthia and Lance and Steven kit tho

They spam the same moves

[normal parcel]

Cynthia spams b move

[vapid kernel]

So Arc Alder will be Struggle Bug and Hyper Beam again

Iris will be Snarl and Dragon rush again

[vapid kernel]

Its earthquake same as their og

[normal parcel]

I mean Leon has hurricane and eq too (but nobody uses him for flying/ground outside of gauntlet I guess)

[cloud timber]

either they repurpose snarl or struggle bug for b moves or they get dropped and replaced

lance dclaw did

cynthia stomping tantrum/slash

[latent plover]

Not because of DC

But I will be pulling

[cursive linden]

Where's the "Probably" Poll?

[vapid kernel]

If u cant decide then dont vote!

[cursive linden]

I didnt

[vernal condor]

no (will pull on nc leaf at the end of the month)

[brazen escarp]

my priority is nc blue

nc leaf is probably last in kantrio

cuz my ice roster

sucks

and i already have gloria 3/5

and i dont care about more than 1m

(not like i can hit it normally but still)

what are some tips to hit 1m?

cuz i do basically everything the guide says

and my max is about 300k

[icy pendant]

You have 3/5 EX on your damage dealers?

[brazen escarp]

in this 300k example it was glorialt

and no didnt have ex

but she was 3/5

[icy pendant]

there’s part of your problem then

[brazen escarp]

but even then

it would be 450k

how do i nearly double this amount

[icy pendant]

as long as you have the proper grid setup Glorialt can just walk to 1m in flying basically

[brazen escarp]

well it was fire iirc

flying i dont quite remember

[icy pendant]

and you’re 100% sure you had the grid set up right?

[brazen escarp]

iirc yes

tbf

that one was before i got someone like elio

and even for the flying one i believe i got around 300kish

[icy pendant]

the one thing to catch on Gloria’s grid is none of her sync bp tiles increase the power of the same sync move: each type has a single tile

[brazen escarp]

i will have to check tho

[brazen escarp]

im 100% sure about that i chose the correct one

cuz like her grid is kind of in 3 parts

most of the flying tiles are near the flying sync tile

[icy pendant]

as long as you have the correct type and haymaker then the grid is fine, 140 EX with decent stats from gear is ideal

every little thing adds up

[brazen escarp]

alr

well i will see how i do this steel dc

if i dont even get 500k with lvl 140 mc and solgaleo PB

i know im doing something wrong

whats the point of both melony and colress?

[cunning rock]

Colress does Paralyze and AoE Defense debuffs with Screech. Then you juggle with Melony Sing spam or Colress Thunder Wave depending on how low your gauge is

[brazen escarp]

but colress is 5/5

so cant u just para spam?

[vernal condor]

it's slower

[cunning rock]

Sing spam is faster compared to para spam

[brazen escarp]

oh ok

what about bp barry para spam?

[vernal condor]

same as colress

[brazen escarp]

oh ok

i thought the showing up of the free move icon

and its disappearing would make it slower

should i be able to get 500k with mc and solgaleo PB, colress 1/5 and elio 1/5

(no ex other than solgaleo)

[cunning rock]

You'd be better off spamming with Elio entirely than Colress in that team

[brazen escarp]

its for def debuff

and para

[cunning rock]

Because Elio's passive ensures that you can keep spamming it

While also being slightly faster than Colress para spam

[brazen escarp]

i was asking whether i can get 500k with it or not

[tiny mist]

who is better for psychic weak DC? lucian or olympia?

[brazen escarp]

i mean they do completely different things

that does not seem right

[cunning rock]

Olympia due to her having evasion letting you save more time. Make her tank

[sturdy pebble]

What am I doing wrong?

[brazen escarp]

i mean pure dmg wise, lucian does more

[brazen escarp]

u are probably just missing one or two crits

[sturdy pebble]

I have Soften Up gridded...

[brazen escarp]

idk then

[cunning rock]

The problem is that Lucian needs to use Growl six times to reach -6 Sp Def

It's slow

[sturdy pebble]

So the problem is me not using Lucian?

[cunning rock]

Nah, I was replying to this

[cunning rock]

Just double checking, is your NC Blue gridded with the Defense/Special Defense debuff on sync tile?

[brazen escarp]

And Olympia needs to use calm mind 3 times

Well I see where u are coming from

But it's 3 moves

Well Ig Lucian needs to use x.spatk

I hate it when Giovanni has a 50% of dropping sp def

But doesn't for 4 psychics in a row

[cunning rock]

Olympia having +6 evasion means you could possibly save enough time to get another sync in compared to Lucian

[sturdy pebble]

Yep

[cunning rock]

Hmmm... What about Lucky Skills?

[sturdy pebble]

Everyone is Head Start except Steven, he's CS2

[stoic crest]

Do we know what the special rally for damage is this time?

[cunning rock]

AoE Fire - No rules.
ST Water - Reduces the damage allies deal with physical attack moves and sync moves by 80%.
AoE Grass - Opponents are immune to status conditions and won’t flinch, become confused, or become trapped

[stoic crest]

It's.... literally designed for the new variety pairs and whaling

[vernal condor]

well duuuh

it's like they're trying to sell you the units or smth

[stoic crest]

Not falling for it

Variety is trash rates

[hollow wadi]

Ooh wait is the new Rillaboom actually good for grass triple?

[stoic crest]

Would mix units work?

[cunning rock]

VHop is Field/Strike

[hollow wadi]

Yooo

Hope I get him from the ticket

[vernal condor]

It's the best

[rare apex]

there's a ticket?

[stoic crest]

Ticket?

[vernal condor]

there's no free ticket

[hollow wadi]

I thought so? Heard people talking about it

Aww

[vernal condor]

the ticket is from the tiered scout, which is paid

[rare apex]

might have gotten it confused for a tiered scout or smth

[cunning rock]

I dont' see why not, although Mix Red can't inflict Poison on them

[vernal condor]

not like he wants

[vapid kernel]

High 5 brotha

[vapid kernel]

Yes

[vapid kernel]

Rip f2p Water, May time to shine

Aoe grass F

[cunning rock]

I'd say AoE Grass is in a rougher spot

I don't think Brendan can hit 1M without Sing spam

[vapid kernel]

Ye

Oleana supremacy again

[copper otter]

Chat, I have a question for you all.

Will Hit the Gas 9 affect sing?

it's not an attack, it's a status move.

[thick stump]

correct

so why would it affect sing

[copper otter]

DeNa. that's why

[vapid kernel]

Wont be affected

[copper otter]

that's genuinely my only concern with Holiday Lillie, if it doesn't work, she's 100% usable even at 1/5

[cunning rock]

You'd really want her to be at 3/5 if you're gonna be using her as your DPS in ST Fairy

But as a Sing spammer, just 1/5 is fine but would really want EXR

[copper otter]

yea, from a DC perspective, 1/5 is more than enough

[cunning rock]

The only thing that realistically she would want in 3/5 in DC as a Sing spammer is her HS1 and +2 party SMUN on sync

2/5 has 50% Gobsmack for someone like Anni Skyla for interference Sync

But yeah very specific or niche

[zenith jolt]

Since Leon needs burn, is it that good for the DC ?

[vapid kernel]

I hv excess Sprint candies so she can hv 2

[nova remnant]

What's the consensus of XmasLillie for DC here

[true locust]

Leon is we can say similar too hilda

Both are not good in dc thanks too burn

Leon if max move not apply fire field damage would be less annoying. Since he could burn all insta .

[olive wraith]

SS Hilda dont have superwaking this month

[true locust]

Like alot good sync pairs too

Chase got rip off

[olive wraith]

Otherwise, there might still be some room for discussion.

[true locust]

For dc purpose

Lax also his passive not great

[fallen trail]

max countdown 2 is fine

[true locust]

Why chase not got reduce sync?

Like all got

Scam

You got 2 physical up next for all sync pairs

Wat hard tell if consume time or not

For lax

Even fubert 3 special on start is ok but where sure crit? This update nothing realy crazy

[vast glade]

Thanks. Good to know I can save on my candies.

I was a bit unsure after seeing the grid tiles and wondering if they might be DC worthy

NC Rosa can finally go back to being an OP support for mono Psychic Teams on CS!

[copper otter]

yea no worries, I can assure you that Holiday Lillie will definitely be similar to NC Rosa.

she has a B move that you'll most likely will ever want to use once to save time, but the rest would be sleep failing which won't be effected by pep rally 2.

the rest of her grid is just..... ok i guess? but you're already most likely gonna cookie HS1 anyways.

[true locust]

Nc rosa is diffrent since apply 2 types rebuff

[copper otter]

I meant in terms of how much time she will take.

Relic song takes a long time but is required due to sync changing forms, Holiday Lillie will have a similar time frame on her B move

[true locust]

Lillie is good just sing spam b move look good but take alot time

[copper otter]

but whether or not it's required is dependent on if you need it

[fluid anvil]

Rosa is still for Psychic and Fighting rebuffs, but every other type Lillie > Rosa

[true locust]

Yeap lillie is new melony 3.0

[copper otter]

that's what i'm thinking too

and she's fine from the get-go at 1/5

[true locust]

Yeap but all extra speed and he1 need too

[copper otter]

HS1 can be LSd so i'm not too upset about that loss.

[true locust]

I just get 3/5 lillie

Its all

[vapid kernel]

Quite nice but u need to attack with her to get speed buff

[cloud timber]

exactly the same as it's always been

all super sparring, hse, and ebes are doing that

ofc the rest of the game is favorable to whaling too but less geared toward forcing new units

[copper otter]

you also have Move gauge acceleration, and dropping a quick moonblast turn 1 isn't a massive loss of time

[cloud timber]

you can also spam sing without para until you get a couple successful uses which i'm not sure would be worse off than moonblast which has spa drop chance too

[vast glade]

Dang, grass is going to be so annoying without sing spam

[cloud timber]

aaron/oleana again

[vast glade]

How does that strat work?

[cloud timber]

max defenses lets aaron spam, oleana just needs them either not poisoned or poisoned with max debuffs set

but uh the latter doesn't apply to this specific parameter so

[vast glade]

Ah, I see, Aaron simply buffs defenses until it stops working and Olleana uses Venon Drench even if it has no value

But don't that team face gauge issues?

[cloud timber]

move gauge boost pep rally and mpr go a long way, twofer at 5/5 makes it a complete non-issue but is generally worse off

from everything i've heard

and all moves with failed uses have “no value” in the same way, they do nothing but the most important thing in dc

oleana gets it going from turn 1 with no setup required for her

[vast glade]

I see.

Might try them with Victor since he is my best grass striker

[cloud timber]

janine exists too and comes with her own speed buffs and evasion but she also manages to evade being relevant bc gauge is harder to supply and no support ex hurts

mga at the start with quick tempo

ss steven has cosmic power but takes two more turns

one to change forme, the other to buff his defenses which he'll need to in most cases

aaron gets full bracing infliction which gives him +2 for a turn

[true locust]

For grass yes oleana is top choice second is aaron itc

[cloud timber]

yea aaron is the budget option, oleana is always ideal compared to him

[true locust]

I think bainca v victor and oleana

Best comps

Bianca have eva and speed up so oleana only need mprs

[vast glade]

Bianca sounds good, specially since she drops defense as well

[true locust]

Yes and circle too

[vast glade]

She can flinch but enemy will be immune to it

[true locust]

You don’t need flinch it

Just kick out from grid its all

[vast glade]

Circle also would give Victor more physical move up

[true locust]

Low def raise sts

[vast glade]

For that final move

[true locust]

Yes

Only wat for fire cook hmm leon and ?

[cloud timber]

h lillie and maybe milo to lesssn burn's impact with speed debuffs and still supply para

maybe pal serena more effective

better para chance and no reactive passive

ss ingo if you're facing full speed

and you free a slot for something else (but need support ex)

i think leon doesn't set aoe burn and ss ingo helps

[fallen trail]

leon does aoe burn

[cloud timber]

ah

might be ss ingo + ss morty to ensure gauge is fine with mga

[vapid kernel]

Leon aoe burn with grid

[cloud timber]

missed that one

also milo maintains some sort of direct contribution to damage but ss morty/redlax will def do more if he doesn't help sync count

[fluid anvil]

Leons AoE burn requires using the offensive max move (max guard wont work), and that will set Damage field, which is awful for DC

both his max moves set damage field, no way to avoid it

[plush palm]

i think leons issue is that we already have so many fire units

that dont rely on burn

[vapid kernel]

Damn @dry whale just realised ur Lucian had 24% skill gear wtf

[plush palm]

honestly leon aint a high priority unit

most people already have a strong fire dmg dealer

[icy pendant]

if he was in any type other than the most saturated type for damage dealers I'd like him a lot more yeah

[true locust]

I think i go leon leaf and lillie fire aoe

I burn from his move 3 time its all

[icy pendant]

The sure burn is nice, yeah

[true locust]

But his max guard reduce sync -3 any way

Leaf have sun

His grid have speed sun 2 for gauge so no issue spam whit lillie then

[vapid kernel]

Ye and they didnt even make an effort to make him a unique unit

Like they cudve made him like an SS Lear, multi and sprint wud be kinda unique

[true locust]

His kit is really decent

He miss 3 rebuff

4 gauge move suks

He miss sun on gmax and extend from grid

Who need fire damage field this days

[icy pendant]

He can already set DF on sync he doesn't also need it on max, but keeping with the signature of gmax charizard means we are doomed to get no sun on max move

[true locust]

Kinda strange leon got it soo fast

Adler should be befor him

[plush palm]

leon has fans

[true locust]

Then they could easy did his unit better

Switch for haymaker and give sun

Alot his fans are sure dissapoint

[plush palm]

he feels really vanilla i think

and not in a good way

[fallen trail]

jacq might need exr for the 999k… still got 2 mil tho

had to reset for atk and evasion buffs

[misty forge]

Damn that's not much better than Olympia

[fallen trail]

[misty forge]

1.5 Vs 2mil

Cs2 Olympia gen pool Vs... 3/5 pokefair?

With sp3

[fallen trail]

that's considerably better than 1.5 mil lmao what

literally 33% better

jacq can go way higher if invested more

[hollow wadi]

Wait they fixed will

The move does what it says now

Right after I ex’d him nooo 😭

[misty forge]

25% more than a gen pool is pretty sad

[fallen trail]

33%

[misty forge]

Depends from what you compare it to bruhv

1.5mil is 75% of 2mil

[fallen trail]

thats not how math works

you specifically said 25% more

25% more to 1.5 mil would be 1.875 mil

[misty forge]

Because from Jacq score, you're just 500k higher than Olympia

Which is 25% of 2mil

[fallen trail]

[brisk shale]

Olympia is 25% less than jacq
Jacq is 33% more than olympia

[misty forge]

Yep.

That's how math works.