Damage Challenge

[vernal condor]

you don't!

[barren pond]

Elaborate, please.

[vernal condor]

your bugs kinda suck

i guess hilbert is still your best bet

[cursive linden]

Why none of them have EX?

[vernal condor]

because they're all bad lol

[cloud timber]

people can be new to the game

[vernal condor]

if that guzma was 3/5 tho

[barren pond]

I'm an extremely casual player

And I've played since just after launch more or less

I can EX them, I just haven't. Just got back tho so no EXR

[cursive linden]

[cursive linden]

Did you sync with Rosa?

[true locust]

Yeap

Chase rosa the fubert

[cursive linden]

Does your Hilbert grid need charging infliction?

[true locust]

No

This i use

[cursive linden]

Oh i see i see

[fallen trail]

fifa cameo

[true locust]

Yeap i watch fifa since not play any more😂

Its got borred when have all best cards in game in 1/3 months and got all top ranks

Same cards each year same gullit ronaldo borring

[plain surge]

Couldnt really do more for now

[fallen trail]

noland !?

[misty forge]

Fury cutter spam

[sullen zephyr]

Based

I resetted a few times this rotation
Got 400k more

[sullen zephyr]

Helper caught- oh wait mael isn't a helper

[vernal condor]

also it's still true

at these move levels they're all bad

[vapid kernel]

Whats the next two DC?

Someone pls share info

[vernal condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1215828903138955374/1257347161448775811/RDT_20240701_0848073391097549025021885.jpg?ex=67263bcb&is=6724ea4b&hm=a1843130d016179d6d92692a304ec28662968601a19038160f3f5abecac17d23&

dates are wrong but the order still applies

[sullen zephyr]

there's a new one with updated dates in the pins

[warped gulch]

Poison? Well Oleana you up again

[true locust]

Time set my oleana new record😏

[fallen trail]

ok i need to candy her finally

[vernal condor]

i could give her 2 candies, do i want to

[cursive linden]

I can't do it, too much RNG

[brazen escarp]

It can still do it by himsef

[true locust]

Game is rng😏

[misty forge]

Yeah too bad that pacing in setupping is early 2021 tier

We're almost in 2025

[brazen escarp]

Ok

[misty forge]

Maybe his PB will save him when it comes in 2+ years

[brazen escarp]

PB?

[misty forge]

Rn he's great only because supports carry his ass

[misty forge]

Power boost

[brazen escarp]

Ok

[sacred badger]

if i hit 100 each dc, i can get around 1.1k training points 😮

can save it for december then

[crude sandal]

Wait a minute, I just realized that the next ranked DC is literally tuned for the Eevee day variety units even if they're useless

[cursive linden]

VHilbert can spam toxic if you want him to

Too bad he doesn't have twofer or any MGR

[vernal condor]

1m f2p

(I lost around 100k to syncs not critting lol)

[vernal condor]

I slightly changed the submission form so it's easier for me to add clears

It shouldnt change much for yall

[normal parcel]

Your best bet is probably bugsy if you 6ex him, but I don't think he can get 1m

[vernal condor]

he definitely can't lol

Don't even think he can 500k ngl

[normal parcel]

I mean his nuke isn't atrocious,

Is more that is a mega

However it has evasion

[vernal condor]

mmm true

[normal parcel]

Definitely better than 2/5 Guzma and 1/5 SS Hilbert

[latent plover]

Do you have grids for the clear?

[normal parcel]

Bugsy still has 556 atk at maximum investment post mega

Is more that is a mega with just the minimum two +25 sync nodes

Megas really want lots of sync nodes to offset the tax

[vernal condor]

he got blind spot and sure crit twice

[normal parcel]

Has MPR 4 so very likely to refresh

[vernal condor]

you don't want to use it too much i think

but that + evasion, he actually has a shot at being good

[normal parcel]

Plus he can poison a side, so you could sing spam without needing a paralysis support

[vernal condor]

well you want sonia to setup anyway

who raises your attack otherwise

[normal parcel]

Yes I guess you will need Sonia since there aren't much supports that can max attack while providing value

[vernal condor]

arc steven but lol

sonia also provides gauge

ig hilbert can be used

[normal parcel]

I guess Sonia + melony should work

Probably not 1m, but it should do something

[safe prawn]

If you’re noob I should be kicked off the game

[vernal condor]

If nobody did it by then I'm down to EX bugsy on monday for the meme, but I asked Drift if he wants to do it so we shall see

[vapid kernel]

I only got 2/5 Oleana EX

Whats the best team i can put her on

Thinking either Rosa NC Bianca or NC Blue Melony

[vagrant ivy]

I’ll take it, he did crit everything

[brisk shale]

Second rebuff or +50 node, +15 sp.atk?

[vagrant ivy]

also noting the 5.1m score in the leaderboard rn

considering that ss hilbert has no SA we could see our first 6m ST dc should he get one

[brisk shale]

Why rosa over of melony?

[vernal condor]

you don't have time to rebuff all of them, so 2nd node

[true locust]

Just too test it out:) plus she give 2 eva up from start wat is good. And unova boost for furbert

[sullen zephyr]

Is it better to rebuff only 1?

[vernal condor]

rebuffing all 3 takes too much time and loses you a sync

[true locust]

I rebuff all

[vernal condor]

at least that's what i saw from people playing, i haven't tried myself since my hilbert is 2/5

[true locust]

And have time

[sullen zephyr]

Hmmmm i rebuffed all 3 and had 10 more secs after my final sync

[fallen trail]

before and after. got 3 syncs in w hilbert all seun

i think i could maybe get 4 syncs w hilbert if i dont waste time rebuffing the sides… or maybe para luck lol

hmm after actually trying maybe not

[true locust]

Fubert for super dupa need all sync crit if no he will suks any way

Nothing help

[fallen trail]

i probably missed some crits

[vapid kernel]

1 rebuff makes a very small difference

[woven fjord]

Missed a few crits and only had 2 uses of SEUN.

[true locust]

https://youtu.be/Udd0vySMP-4?si=19dbh02ZqFcLyg0V

[crude sandal]

I see Adam

[true locust]

Record just soo some have idea about it. Best is reset for rosa eva up

But you still can do like me any way

[safe prawn]

My gears are trash but at least I got all sync crits this time

[true locust]

Get furbert crits is pain

[safe prawn]

Soften up 1 in SA plz

[true locust]

When oponent have rebuff sync always crit and power up it

[brazen dew]

Wait what? Is this true?

On rebuff, sync always crits?

[brisk shale]

No

That's a passive they'd like for Hilbert's super awakening

[true locust]

Its wat he need

Other stuff is useless for him

[safe prawn]

I mean he already has huge firepower

He just needs the crits
And maybe the sync to change type lol

[true locust]

But crit make it pain

Set zone on sync😂

Haha

For type

[glossy token]

ok so. this is my score from last round

i have 3/5 colress for aoe para now, 3/5 exr sygna hilbert, and ex melony

[vernal condor]

don't use colress then, use sonia instead for para i think

so you get 2 supp sync before hilbert syncs

[glossy token]

so heres my question: if i have 6 moves with hilbert before his first sync, is the best move sequence twave, metal sound, sing; colress tm, metal sound, sing; twave, metal sound, sing; melony sync, twave, techno blast center; sing, twave, dire hit +; melony tm, twave, hilbert tm [so he has +3 spatk and +3 crit]

and then techno blast sides, tm before second sync for seun

and pray for mpr after

or do i just need better setup for hilbert than melony can offer

[vernal condor]

if you really want to use colress, you start with twave, and then in any order you have to metal sound 3 times with hilbert and do some sing in the meantime, and then you dire hit + and tm twice and yeah pray for mpr

oh yeah techno blast all 3 before tm too i forgor

but after metal sound and dire hit bcs that's more damage

[glossy token]

gotcha, so dire hit/melony tm then tb

i dont Need to use colress per se, but the aoe para seems way more useful given the x speed all

im mostly just trying to decide if elio would work better for giving +4 spatk with his tm so hilbert would be +2 crit but +6 spatk for brainpower sync multiplier

and then dire hit on his second sync cycle (or roll for colress team crit on a single mirror shot before then maybe? idk)

[vernal condor]

the better way to know is to test

each clear is only 3 minutes long so it's ok to test stuff

[glossy token]

fair enough. i wasnt sure if this was smth obvious/a known quantity from last round that im just late to the party on, apologies!

[fluid wave]

Is 100k the ceiling score for poison/interference stalling in DC?

If there are advices to improve score would be appreciated.

[misty forge]

Potent toxin x4

[fluid wave]

Is that better than not having 12x pokey trap?

[fallen trail]

you never have to reapply poison

[fluid wave]

I only have oak so that's only 2x potent toxin. Not worth it.

[glossy token]

@vernal condor ok elio > melony unless im truly missing some element of the matrix lmao

[vernal condor]

nice

[glossy token]

ill rerun w/ recording

[fallen trail]

melony you need to have good speed on your team

thats why she runs w nc blue often cuz he maxes team speed

elio has much better gauge

[glossy token]

my speed/gauge is fine

i just need elio to buff hilbert bc he just sets up too slow otherwise

[vernal condor]

that also reduces the need for tm mpr for seun

[vast glade]

Second try but better than nothing

[glossy token]

missed seun mpr so no 2mil but

got the recording at least

so now to try for better luck

[still hearth]

Feel like I could do better, I would use SS Hilbert but I don’t have him ex’d nor caked

[glossy token]

better, but the delayed first aid proc on elio lost my quadqueue for the final blow to break 2mil

uh. why is the sheet green

[plush palm]

oh well

[feral hamlet]

Now that I have 3/5 EXR SS Hilbert, I've nearly doubled my old score

[thick stump]

goated

[glossy token]

got the recording

[royal jolt]

Give me 3v3 Steel now 😈

[unborn otter]

How

I have 5/5 lance, 3/5 cynthia, 1/5 steven. Wonder which is best with their arcs

[royal jolt]

I love him

[unborn otter]

I mean the resources how

Tiered scout?

[royal jolt]

Yes

[unborn otter]

You’re ready for hse /hj

[royal jolt]

I could never do that
DC is where I place my focus

[unborn otter]

I have the pairs, but not the skills or the dedication

Just 200k on last day

[vagrant ivy]

chat is this a possible 1m with gears

[vagrant ivy]

what I was running

[normal parcel]

They already liked to lock soften up at 5/5 for most nukers, now they will start to lock it at 10/5

[brisk shale]

and then ss gladion which barely needs it has it at base

[vagrant ivy]

900k possible

maybe if you get 6 syncs in but that requires giving up circle on first sync

[fallen trail]

maybe its possible when she gets +20 sp atk at the end of the month

[vagrant ivy]

[plush palm]

Lusa can at least evasion cheese after her upgrade

tho you already have chase

[pallid girder]

So... this is the reason they refuse to give her sync multiplier upon pb? Since she can hit 900k without it (and maybe 1M with +20 spatk)

[icy pendant]

+20 SpAtk isn’t real, it can’t hurt you

[brisk shale]

ye her offenses+speed are no joke

[glossy token]

she doesnt need a sync multiplier if she cant stay alive long enough to sync

you hit start battle and shes already dead

bc shes from the era of balancing stats

her pb giving her chances of staying alive is way better lmao

[stoic crest]

What is the best option for this? I have stuff like champion blue and red lax. Please ping me

[sacred badger]

o.o

3/5 alder gaming? Perhaps?

[stoic crest]

Is alder that good?

I don't really use him because he is so stinky and outdated

[icy pendant]

realistically no, but your other options at their current move levels are worse

if you’re willing to candy as always check the sheet first, but EXR SS Hilbert should outscore the others by a comfortable enough margin

[stoic crest]

I have like 250 tech candy coins so I candy him without issue

[cloud timber]

i'd say he's a very high candy priority

[torpid wigeon]

Got optimal luck suuuper quickly omg

With flinch at the beginning you can get both support syncs + 4 hilbert sync with the last 2 having seun

Had 0.5s spare

[stoic crest]

He is also honestly the only bug I use regularly anyways.

What would be a good team and grid set up with him?

[torpid wigeon]

This is the grid I used with the team above - mine is 4/5 +8e but you can do that perfectly fine with 3/5 +2e

[fossil igloo]

This was silly, but I just wanted to do it.

[stoic crest]

I assume this is all you did:
Blue - paralysis and use TM to buff stats
Melody - just sing
Hilbert - just sync, does he need to use any TM?

[torpid wigeon]

Hilbert wants to debuff spdef twice and blue's sync gives the last debuff, also attack every enemy once for the rebuff from his passive

[stoic crest]

And cake Hilbert I presume?

[torpid wigeon]

I used his tm just before the last 2 syncs for the super effective up but that requires more luck and such to be able to hit the 4th sync with him

[torpid wigeon]

Yes that's required otherwise you do 1/3 of the damage

[stoic crest]

Does the grid for blue matter much?

I know mine has like smun when syncing

[torpid wigeon]

You want

Hostile environment

Drop defenses on sync

And that ig

Nothing else really matters

If your blue isn't caked you don't need the defense drops one though and just metal sound a third time

[crude sandal]

SPLgum would be proud

[cloud timber]

only aim for 3 syncs with hilbert, all that's needed to hit 3m

so save tm for the 2nd and 3rd

[torpid wigeon]

Ig so if you want an easier time but why aim for 3 when you can just about hit 4 with both support ex

[pallid girder]

If you have 20 5*PUs EX Guzma hit 1M just fine.
Ofc 3/5 EXR SS Hilbert hit WAY more but that's depends on how many tech canies you have right now.

[cloud timber]

try to do it one more time and maybe you'll get it

[stoic crest]

How do I apply bug rebuff? Attack using Hilbert?

[torpid wigeon]

Yes you have to hit each enemy once

Triple para, use all of blue's tms to buff, get -6 spdef from hilbert+blue, apply rebuff to all 3 enemies, sync with both supports then just spam syncs

& apply SEUN with hilbert's tm if you have a few seconds to spare later on

[cloud timber]

very lenient on 3 hilbert syncs, very tight if grinding for 4

[torpid wigeon]

Yeah that's fair

You can get a really good score with 3 I just got great luck and barely hit the 4th one

[cloud timber]

eh i can spend some time resetting for triple para and flinch to see

i only take anything in this game half-seriously at best by this point

[stoic crest]

I managed to get 2 million

That's not bad, I'll take it.

[torpid wigeon]

👍nice

[pallid girder]

Btw maybe SS Hilbert's SAP could be sth helps him max team speed debuff quickly, so it's more possible to do the cakewalk build.

[stoic crest]

Last time this stage ran I only had 150k so it's an improvement

[wooden tree]

Whats the attack order?

[torpid wigeon]

Basically just this but with good rng

First sync: metal sound and discharge, get triple para flinch and queue sing + x speed as that goes off then 1 more metal sound and x speed and sing then sync blue, hit his tm and attack everyone for rebuff while singing, sync with melony then sing and sync and pray you can tm on the last 2 syncs

[hollow wadi]

barely got the last sync in

[torpid wigeon]

Ggs

I had about that much too

I love when really good strats are super tight obviously it can get annoying af but it's so satisfying to hit and be like there's no way I can do better

[dusty solar]

unwilling to go for 4 syncs

also i bet by the time a bug aoe is in super sparring ss hilby will have superawakening

[cloud timber]

ok yeah even with triple para and flinch and not even applying seun for last sync it's still not close

might actually be better to just not have hilbert's aim bc that could be enough delay to make it unrealistic

[torpid wigeon]

Oo maybe that's why it worked for me

[cloud timber]

yeah

only had 17.9s left by my final sync

[torpid wigeon]

I'm glad i have 4/5 bc otherwise I'd be tempted to do a cakewalk setup which would just be worse 😭

[cloud timber]

but they were getting in a whole hyper voice before the timer finished

[torpid wigeon]

Ah yeah i think i had like 23 or something

[cloud timber]

i did attempt cakewalk and got 2.4m lol

had to do petey/elio

[vagrant ivy]

lusamine getting outdone by vNoland

doesn't he have that one TM thats recoil for -4 sync CD

so you can rush with him

oh its - def and spd

but sadly he doesn't have tm mpr

[brazen escarp]

What is vNoland?

[vagrant ivy]

variety noland

[brazen escarp]

Ok

[pallid girder]

VNoland is a sprint + ex striker. It's almost like tech + ex striker w/o 1.5x sync.
I'm more surprise he barely hit 1M only.

[cloud timber]

you can't take every screenshot to be the ceiling of potential

he provides the team speed to afford melony so there's that

[warped gulch]

The problem with him is his Atk debuff

He is really fast with a ton of - Sync CD but set up -6 Atk is unreal

[cloud timber]

oh lol

only 2 para'd but i got 2 early para procs

i missed a bunch of crits i think

was just trying to optimize around 5 syncs but yea

finally comfortably above bp barry comps

4 crits missed, 2 on second last sync with seun applied

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zueVlPjNqM ls/grids/gear at the end

[sacred flower]

copy skippingmud but pretty good for a 1/5

I used CS2 so Barry should be able to hit more with SP3

[royal jolt]

Tried a F2P clear

[royal jolt]

I kept 19th in super sparring!

[loud cedar]

i was looking back at my scores and the development here is funny

from 3/5 non ex colress to 5/5 ex’d colress

almost outscoring rose

[acoustic chasm]

Chat...

[true locust]

Fubert? Lol

Not worth

Save for bug arc unit

Bug suks badly units

[acoustic chasm]

Well, arc won't use tech candies

[cloud timber]

3/5ing him is a safe bet

[pseudo stag]

How hard is it to fit dana into a dc team?

[vernal condor]

well you can always do dana + bp barry / colress + dps, but usually it's worse than going for sleep spam

[pseudo stag]

Tfw no redlax

[cloud timber]

she's had success as an aaron enabler with team toughen up 9 + x spdef

her reactive passives suck but aaron makes the most of them

[misty forge]

Bring wtz

Her reactive passives work against DC

[vernal condor]

it's funny to me that pal serena is relevant enough to get to be in this list

more relevant that volo

more relevant than sst red too he's just a sing spam enabler after all, not that great

[vagrant ivy]

ss emmet having trap and sync 9 but doesn’t apply trap himself

they intentionally made him tricky to use for DC I see

[vernal condor]

he applies trap when attacking

with his 2nd passive

[vagrant ivy]

of course I missed that, he does

whose optimal to run with him though

[vernal condor]

NC Rosa and NC Bianca probably

NC Rosa for sure, NC Bianca less sure

[cloud timber]

sounds correct

[pallid girder]

NC Blue? 2 rebuff

[vernal condor]

Oh yeah he's electric

So yeah rosa and blue

[cloud timber]

yeah that

[safe prawn]

Doesn’t emmet have the same circle as Bianca?

[vernal condor]

With this grid probably

[vernal condor]

yes they do

I think he's a contender to be the best electric 1v3 pair

He compensates from not having an innate like SST Red by having circle and a faster setup, as well as being paired with rosa instead of elio (i actually don't know if it's better lol, probably is?)

also seun on tm, tho his tm is so slow you probably only want to use it once on the final sync

and trap is slow... yeah ok maybe red is still better unless emmet is 10/5

[safe prawn]

I think red is better just bc ScSteven exists

Can max all his multipliers (kekwalk+ def-6) and give SEUN

So you just slap Elio and go for it

[vagrant ivy]

SEUN, sure crit and SyMUN all in one is still very appealing

but he needs to attack 3 times to fully buff himself

[cloud timber]

i feel like at least that's better than sst red who has to go to elio for buffs and work through propelling move

[vernal condor]

sc steven isnt in red's best team lol

[vernal condor]

only 2 bcs the 3rd time is applying the circle

[cloud timber]

need to delay attacks to delay setting trap so circle first..?

[vernal condor]

but you need to attack to para

[cloud timber]

ah

[vernal condor]

so yeah he has some better stuff an some worse compared to red

[pallid girder]

The best Electric v1 dd is not SSTR tho. Its CElesa.

[vernal condor]

oh true elesa did beat him uh

sorry clears that aren't in my doc don't exist in my memory

[pallid girder]

CElesa > VKris > SST Red

Vkris might outdmg CElesa if she could get support exr btw, but Dena says nope.

[thin wren]

celesa will get 10/5 and stay at the top

[vagrant ivy]

whats the highest recorded single target DC score rn

[pallid girder]

I forget how much ArcLance did. I know he broke 4M but dont know 4.? and its also with special rule that banned sing spam.
On the other hand NC Hop just did 4.4M which is prob the hightest in regular dc.

[royal jolt]

I fit Dana into a Guzma team

I used Colress, Guzma, and Dana

[pseudo stag]

Does she require 3/5

[royal jolt]

Ideally, for SEUN MPR

[vagrant ivy]

dana is literally sc steven minus all of the utility

and a reactive passive that does not help for this mode

[royal jolt]

It's not ideal

[vagrant ivy]

i guess support EX kinda saves her but still

[royal jolt]

But, I saw her and thought
"Maybe...?"

[vagrant ivy]

i've tried dana like a few times before but without her support EX theres no justification at all

between her and say, bp barry/colress or chase-nc blue/melony teams theres no contest to which is better

[royal jolt]

I'm sure better F2P clears exist

[cloud timber]

i forgot who did dana/aaron and i couldn't easily find it but someone tried it for ranked

[royal jolt]

Hate Wave moment

[pseudo stag]

My only other unit with SEUN is Mix Blue

Sadge

[royal jolt]

My previous clears consisted of:

• SC Steven, SC Barry, and Guzma
• SC Steven, Guzma, and BP Barry
• SC Steven, SC Barry, and SSA Cyn

[vernal condor]

Yall https://youtu.be/MXxgcZw6f4g?si=W_QdiSRz3XUcXNDl

[sacred badger]

holy crap

WAIT he has a sure crit 50% mp refresh D:!?

COOL

[misty forge]

Not that surprised tbfh, after seeing him solo bulu

[vernal condor]

Solos is just about evasion

Here it's sheer damage

[vagrant ivy]

i honestly thought that was photoshopped for a sec

[sacred badger]

me too.

just SC Steven gaming eh 😮

[vagrant ivy]

he is officially the first (and almost certainly only) 3* unit to score 1m in any damage challenge

interestingly he didn't show gears

[cloud timber]

surge already got 1m lol

oak should be able to too

and barry maybe

[olive wraith]

interest

[vernal condor]

Worse than Pal Serena

[royal lodge]

is oleana w/ twofer 9 there?

[olive wraith]

can be easily achieved if 10/5 Oleana

[royal lodge]

oh i need to look up her stuff

[olive wraith]

NO

[royal lodge]

chase is great for making everything fast

[true locust]

You poison them?

[olive wraith]

yes

[true locust]

So max 3 fubert syncs

[olive wraith]

same syncs，Oleana better than Pal Serena

[true locust]

And why you need 10/5 oleana

Its just -3 sync

Not give you extra sync any way

[crude sandal]

Tech/Support/Sprint

[olive wraith]

not necessary，but can lower the RNG difficulty

[true locust]

Wat is your skill gear boost?

[olive wraith]

9% total + 90atk

[true locust]

You dont low spe def?

[olive wraith]

I did low it

[true locust]

So wat grid you use on furbert?

[true locust]

He why this?

Oleana not low speed

[cloud timber]

nulls their +2 speed

would save a venom drench

[olive wraith]

yes

[olive wraith]

you need more CT

[true locust]

Ct? He

Idea is good if it could work on para

Just its too slow

Or can pick fubert tm for 3 syncs

[olive wraith]

CT is Critical hit,chinese player termed

in my mind,use Pal Serena to get 6 syncs is highest

[true locust]

No pal serena🤣

[copper otter]

Is oleana better?

i might work with this if it's 3/5

[true locust]

Not realy

Oleana is better for next ones yes

[brave parcel]

Who else should I use with sc barry

Or is 1/5 ss hilbert better

[icy pendant]

neither is spectacular at 1/5

[brave parcel]

Well

These are my bug options

[wise mulch]

Colress for lowering defense and paralyze spam?

[plush palm]

woohoo finally got the 4th hilbert sync in

[brave parcel]

Hes at 1/5

[wise mulch]

Aww

[plush palm]

hit my limit tho so i aint gonna bother going higher than this

took SO many impatient procs and a full para

[icy pendant]

yeah your options are bad or worse, I’d just jam Hilbert here

[brave parcel]

Okay

Hilbert melony and uhh

Another support?

[icy pendant]

Sonia probably

going to assume you lack NC Blue

[brave parcel]

I do

[icy pendant]

or you go down the solo spammer route with BP Barry

[brave parcel]

Oh

Like

Only hilbert and barry?

Thats a thing?

[plush palm]

chase?

redlax? sc steven?

[warped gulch]

I think 1/5 SC Barry is better than 1/5 SS Hilbert tho

Hilbert need cake to work

[icy pendant]

1/5 Barry has to go pure DPS

[warped gulch]

Meanwhile Barry can go with dps route

[icy pendant]

especially since it’s not EX

[warped gulch]

Yeah

[brave parcel]

None 😭

[warped gulch]

Definitely better than 1/5 Hilbert without Ex and cake

[brave parcel]

Regardless of who im using im still stuck on a third teammate

[icy pendant]

if you're pure dps it's sc barry, colress for aoe screech, and then your source of seun/bug zone/bug rebuff

[plush palm]

colress

[warped gulch]

SC Barry, Colress and Supp Ex

[brave parcel]

Alr, ty

Just realized barry cant get to +6 on his own

[icy pendant]

He can

TM + entry (x2)

[brave parcel]

Entry x2?

[icy pendant]

his entry ability triggers on first entry and on mega evolution

[brave parcel]

He can trigger it twice?

Ohhh

Alr ty

Is there smth i can do about barry’s move gauge

[icy pendant]

custom ls is legit

[brave parcel]

Who’s that

Lysandre?

[icy pendant]

barry has a signature lucky skill from his event

recharging strike 1

[brave parcel]

Ohh

[woven fjord]

Top 1K rank

[crude sandal]

Hot damn

[fluid anvil]

finished top 14, probably the highest I'll ever have

[vernal condor]

It's gonna be even harder to get top scores with SA being a thing

[true locust]

When have ssa cynthia is low score😏

[fluid anvil]

Its SSR*
and the score is fine. Had no gears for Leaf/Diantha, just 5-6% for Leaf and normal Rock 3* for Diantha

[true locust]

You could roll them😘

[torpid wigeon]

I got 104th >:(

[remote pebble]

is it worth having charging infliction on barry

[cloud timber]

yes

[torpid wigeon]

Yes you need charging infliction the only move where you don't want mgr stuff to go faster is sing because it's 1 gauge and can actually be used infinitely with team +6 speed

[remote pebble]

gotcha

[cloud timber]

maintaining 2 bar spam is very difficult and usually not worth it unless you know exactly what you're doing

[torpid wigeon]

colress/barry are used as a sort of "budget" melony + nc blue because they do the job of both and are free but are slower to sync spam

because the free move next/gauge refresh makes it take like 1.5x longer

[vernal condor]

903 top 1k

[delicate junco]

So Guzma should be an easy mil right?

Im falling a little short, what do I do to improve?

and by a little i mean just under 800k

using Redlax and elio

[vernal condor]

[delicate junco]

A little past that point

[vernal condor]

clearly not

[delicate junco]

Dont have colress

hmm...there seems to be a build i might be able to reconstruct

going to need extra energy tho

[unique abyss]

My first top 100

[delicate junco]

Hmmm

Is this a good trade?

[vernal condor]

you want 80 atk

[delicate junco]

Ideally yes

I was just wondering if the sync damage % was worth it

[misty forge]

50 sucks

If it was 65+ I'd say it's fine

Also those themes suck

[vernal condor]

80 atk no mult is better than 50 atk +5%

[misty forge]

Definitely

[cloud timber]

colress better

[misty forge]

One can argue it would be a fine gear for special units

But between themed

And secondary stats

[vernal condor]

that sure is a team lol

[misty forge]

It's just bad

[cloud timber]

aaron wasn't fast enough to fit in another sync i think

needed ft2 for gauge too

[vernal condor]

yeah not worth

especially since he gets 1m with other options anyway

[cloud timber]

don't feel like dana is worth using without 3/5 ex

[vapid kernel]

Wow Aaron

How do u do with that appalling gauge

[cloud timber]

ft2 and catalyst xd

[delicate junco]

hmmm

is head start a time loss over adreneline?

[vernal condor]

it's the same

[delicate junco]

hmm

I was copying someone elses run, but they seem to be able to squeeze out an extra sync

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k3yXFTIpdQ

this one to be percise

although I am also curious why targetting the liepard is important

doing it anyway

[vernal condor]

Because I didn't paralyze the zoroark

it doesnt matter who i target, as long as it's paralyzed

[delicate junco]

wait

blinks

oh

i might be stupid

I didnt realize I was talking to the original this whole time

[vernal condor]

lmao

[delicate junco]

IM SORRY

Worst part is i still might not even make 1 mil if all goes perfectly because you have a max critastrophe gear

and just barely made it over 1 mil

but im gonna keep trying

[vernal condor]

I also missed a lot of crits

Like, I lost over 100k damage from syncs not critting

[vast glade]

I know this team can do more but I will settle with this score

[delicate junco]

Where does that mythical 5th guzma sync come from

[vernal condor]

oh wait i see now

sides have more speed than the middle, so paralyzing the side has more effect on their gauge than the middle

and i paralyze liepard specifically and not reuniclus because it attacks more and so is more susceptible to being paralyzed

I got 1 paralysis on Liepard at the very start of the clear, maybe that's what makes the difference for the 5th sync

[royal jolt]

Yay! Congrats!

[plush palm]

full paras or evasion or impatient procs depending on the comp

[delicate junco]

Okay.i give

Ill settle for 924k

@vernal condor for thr life of me i dont know hownyou werr able to mash like that but you are a fiend

Pretty sure thats the true difference maker

[orchid crescent]

revenge on triple bug

it was a rough time 💀 #1255888121648644197 message

thank god for bianca being so good with colress that you dont even need infliction freebie lmao

[royal jolt]

I had a vision

[vagrant ivy]

i did 900k with chase melony lusamine earlier

but only had +100 spA +3% bug sync moves from gear

if someone has like +20% to +30% from prz or something then she does it

otherwise no

but sure crit after first sync is nice

[thin wren]

had

[royal jolt]

had 😭

[dire spade]

I forgot to check my final results on the super sparring ranked, and what a nice place I got

[royal jolt]

Nice

[crude sandal]

LMFAO, I ended up at 222

[unborn otter]

does 222 have any relevance like 666?

[crude sandal]

It's an angel number

[vagrant ivy]

someone has reached 6m in the current DC

[nova remnant]

Based Ingo and Emmet profile photo

But wow that 600k difference is insane

[crude sandal]

Damn

Not even with superawakening

[cloud timber]

lower collective strength than me too and only 18 more pairs

clearly some are hyperinvested

[true locust]

Not realy

Just got luck🤣 and preff reset alot hours for it

Alot my sync not crit

[fluid anvil]

wtf. went from ~4,3M to 6M without SA
lol

[true locust]

Since we now more then befor

Its nothing new

[cloud timber]

well i mean you would know what's improveable on your run, the rest of us don't

[true locust]

When i did my runs i new 6m is possibel

Even more can be done

But this need hell rng and fubert tmp use and sync crits

[crude sandal]

Yeah

Now time for Oleana's superawakening showcase this Tuesday

[true locust]

I lost like 900k damage from this run

And not get fubert mp

[crude sandal]

Who do you have for 3v3 rock?

[true locust]

Even have 9 second left after sync

I will use silver like befor prob

[crude sandal]

No Alt Selene?

[true locust]

Since not see better unit

She need low spe def for it

Nc blue can -2

So sync will be base on cirle then?

If she can do more then silver hard tell

[fluid anvil]

Alt Selene should handily beat NC Silver even without SA

[crude sandal]

Sorry

[cloud timber]

could run alt selene double elio and get maximum double circle boost

[crude sandal]

Alt and OG Elio?

[cloud timber]

yeah

[crude sandal]

I guess that works since Selene poisons and Elio can Sing spam

[cloud timber]

problem is putting up with triple poison

i guess you can use sleep to lower the poison count

[crude sandal]

[vagrant ivy]

how many sync buffs

[crude sandal]

1st sync, 2x support EX

[vagrant ivy]

so that’s like 800k first sync

pre SA

what about nc silver?

[crude sandal]

With what team?

[vernal condor]

@fluid anvil I really think this team destroys SSRC (+2e on ingo)

and ofc with super awakening korrina can't match him

Man I wish I had gardenia now

[vagrant ivy]

nc blue melony?

[crude sandal]

Both Alt Selene and NC Silver will suffer from enemy chip damage

But Alt Selene is obviously much better

[warped gulch]

Selene can ignore it with Nc Blue

When para 3 enemy

She doesn’t need poison to debuff

Just poison move

[cloud timber]

yeah that team won't need to deal with poison

[fluid anvil]

I forgot he can use Chase circle, maybe with him.

[cloud timber]

i don't think that makes nc blue worth it though

[crude sandal]

At the same time, Alt Elio has rock zone, so let's see which is better on Tuesday

[warped gulch]

Alt Elio’s Rock Zone sucks tho

Just too long

[vagrant ivy]

actually ST poison is first

[crude sandal]

Yeah

[vagrant ivy]

time to make koga the first story pair to do 1m

or did he already get it last time

[crude sandal]

I don't think he did

[cloud timber]

we were just figuring out melony by that time

chase wasn't meta

[vagrant ivy]

I see

[crude sandal]

Actually, I got a better idea for Alt Selene

Chase with Mind Games 9

[cloud timber]

idk who was using melony outside of pykuo's f2p team with koga and bp janine

[vagrant ivy]

EX’d him a long time ago for his utility with bad poison

[vernal condor]

At that point no one really

[vagrant ivy]

very few F2P units could do that

[cloud timber]

yea figures

[crude sandal]

Yes, Chase with Mind Games 9

[vagrant ivy]

aside from him there was just BP Janine and BP erika

[crude sandal]

But she deals like 56% of her damage compared to Alt Elio with rock zone + Alola Defensive Circle

Or another trick is resetting for OG Elio's Mind Games 4 on Sparkling Aria

Actually, no spam if using with Alt Elio

[cloud timber]

idk acid's buffed chance to debuff but ideally you get your spdef debuff off that when you're trying to set poison

[crude sandal]

Acid practically has the Unexpected benefit x2 passive

[cloud timber]

elio's mind games is there but it'd be backup

[crude sandal]

For Selene

Actually, it's Unexpected Benefit x2 but guaranteed drop chance

[cloud timber]

very good for her

[true locust]

So its 2 selene moves and nc blue -6

But this can cost extra sync

[crude sandal]

How many DCs we have where brute force is better than sync spam?

[true locust]

Gladion🤣

Nc silver for now

[crude sandal]

I mean like with applying WTZ

Gladion for sure since he has SS Wally

[true locust]

And penny

2 rebuff low spe sef

[crude sandal]

I'm wondering if Alt Elio/Alt Selene/OG Elio will do better than a sync spam team with Alt Selene

Elio not only has rock zone, but also another circle

[cloud timber]

would be pretty epic

[crude sandal]

Otherwise Chase/OG Elio would be better

[true locust]

Nc blue melony

Elio suks

Too long even miss not help

[crude sandal]

Elio gives circle boost for Selene

[true locust]

Too long

[warped gulch]

Like i said earlier, animation

[crude sandal]

You have to set up her circle either way

[warped gulch]

His B Move is one of the longest animation

[true locust]

Poison ia bad

[warped gulch]

More than 20s

[true locust]

We test it now

Oleana

Suks

For fubert

Poison its too long

[warped gulch]

And if you count Poison, 2 Circle, Rock Zone, B Move animation, even SMUN and PMUN from Elio

Sing just out of the window

[true locust]

Like 3 maks sync selene

Not sure if it will be maks 2

[crude sandal]

I wish your name was true Pykuo

[true locust]

Since fubert poison get 3 need alot miss

And this team always get hit

[warped gulch]

Not fun for me bc 27 is EOS in VN

[true locust]

Come bro too poland😂

No eos

[crude sandal]

Oh I totally forgot about that, I'm very sorry

[true locust]

Simpel solution need move too different country;) we cant lose you:)

[misty forge]

https://tenor.com/view/myass-gif-19959059

That's a threatening request

[true locust]

The best is pierogi or schabowy bro food

Or mc donald😘

[unique abyss]

Or bigos, gołąbki

Damn, 3v1 poison is next. One of the 4 stages where I didn't get 1m points

[vagrant ivy]

koga needs chase to carry him to 1m

who else

for 3v3 f2p had looker and plumeria but neither is optimal here

[warped gulch]

Plumeria at least still easily reach 1m with premium supp

[vagrant ivy]

uh no she barely did 1m in 3v3

[warped gulch]

What do you mean barely ?

I remember very consistent with her

[vagrant ivy]

i'm looking at the clears doc

and she didn't break 1.1m

and it's single target so gotta divide that by 3

[warped gulch]

But you said for 3vs3

And those even not her best team

Like Oleana wasn’t cake

Or Chase just wasn’t used at all

[vagrant ivy]

i didn't claim that she couldn't do 1m in 3v3 poison i'm claiming that she cannot do 1m in 3v1 poison

and i'll stand by this claim until proven wrong by reality

nor is she beating koga when both run premium supports

[warped gulch]

I just read again and just noticed “optimal here”

Sr my fault

[vagrant ivy]

all good

[thin wren]

so sshilbert is in 6 mil club now

@fluid anvil

[vagrant ivy]

technically we aren't sure if it's him but since all the top scorers use him we may well assume that it is him

[cloud timber]

yeah assumptions are the only way to fill in a lot of otherwise non-public info

no direct proof that it's ss hilbert but imagine trying to prove it's not

[vagrant ivy]

true

[true locust]

Its fubert

Nobody else can do it

[cursive linden]

With what team?

[true locust]

Ask number 1:)

[jaunty stratus]

Will i reach 1m with voland?

[quick geode]

ok how do i get scores beyond the Youngster range lol

[icy pendant]

start by reading the pins, high ranks demand higher investment so if you're just not there yet then take your completion gems and dip

[quick geode]

gotcha

ive been trying w aaron, sc ingo, and sc emmet, but should i switch out aaron for barry?

just for paralysis?

[icy pendant]

is your barry 3/5?

[quick geode]

no but i have a bunch of bp tickets i could use on him rn lol

[icy pendant]

if you want to 3/5 him that's your incentive, but depending on your move levels on sc submas dps might just be the better approach

3/5 guzma is also an option especially if ex

[quick geode]

he is 4/5 but not ex

move levels for sc submas are 3/5 emmet and 2/5 ingo

aaron is 5/5

[still hearth]

You should get at least above 500k with 3/5 SC Emmet

Assuming he’s Ex’d

[fast gate]

@thin wren https://youtu.be/Sdti34A_Umo?feature=shared

twave just seems to be spamming slowish? i read that you should be able to get off more sync moves than what im achieving

[cloud timber]

don't use arc steven

his reactive passives eat up a lot of time

[fast gate]

oh

[cloud timber]

and when you do need to use something with reactive passives you don't want to set them as tank

[fast gate]

thanks didn’t know

[long silo]

That was way too close

[plush palm]

good enough i guess

top 1k

[fair mist]

so ss hilbert is the best choice right

[still hearth]

Yeah if he’s 3/5 and caked

[plush palm]

Or 5/5 and caked

iirc he gets double rebuff at 5/5

[still hearth]

Ugh next DC is Poison

I have no one

1/5 Oleana def can’t do it

[cloud timber]

5/5 is an improvement but that wouldn't change the original question

minimum of 3/5 exr should already put him above everything else

[cursive linden]

This is my Poison 3v1 team, how cooked i am?

Or just replace colress with SC Steven?

[quick geode]

he is, should i be switching around which one i target or focus on the middle?

[cloud timber]

where gauge

[cursive linden]

Gauge?

What gauge?

[cloud timber]

yeah so you can replace melony with elio there

[cursive linden]

Why? Speed buff?

[cloud timber]

elio doesn't need speed buffs to maintain sing spam

just propelling move alone is enough

[cursive linden]

Oh noted

Should i change colress for SC Steven?

[cloud timber]

yeah

[cursive linden]

Nice nice

[quick geode]

i really am not sure what i am doing wrong lol
maybe i should look at sc emmets sync grid

[still hearth]

Ohh, your just attacking them

To get a highscore the most optimal way is by sync rushing

[plush palm]

how high can 1/5 exr oleana go anyways

i have geeta

[quick geode]

oooh sync rushing
i see!

[still hearth]

Like this

You should definitely get a higher score with a 3/5 Emmet

[cursive linden]

Wait grid should i use for Geeta?

[still hearth]

I’d say just grab sync multipliers

Like passives that help your sync dish out more damage

[cursive linden]

Oh ok thanks

[cloud timber]

the +1 pmun isn't important, toxic power boosts your final b move

[quick geode]

oooh neat!
do i just paralyze w barry then?

[still hearth]

First do you have him 3/5?

[cloud timber]

get him to 3/5, grid charging infliction, spam stun spore and get as many syncs in as possible

but make sure you set up your offenses

no need to paralyze all 3, just one is fine

[still hearth]

^

Usually you would sync with Barry first if he’s Ex’d but since he’s not you would sync with Emmet

[quick geode]

gotcha gotcha
he is 3/5

should i use infestation or does that use too much time?

[cloud timber]

very bad

trap eats up a lot of time

[quick geode]

how about bug wish?

[still hearth]

Should be used before you sync

So like when your sync countdown is 1 use bug wish

[quick geode]

gotcha!
and what about swords dance/iron defense?

[cloud timber]

typically you time your zones to be right before your third sync and it'll last 50 seconds each time

so if you use it at 1:40 and 0:50 it'll last without the animation from it disappearing

[loud cedar]

single poison tomorrow hmm

whats the 1 mil team for geeta again?

[cloud timber]

you're always looking out to make sure your offenses are completely buffed along with your sync multipliers

brawn sync you'll get automatically by buffing attack, tough sync will need you to iron defense once?

[quick geode]

ill have to use swords dance to buff his atk wont i?

[cloud timber]

yea

[still hearth]

This is my run of it

Just so you can have a visual example as well

[cloud timber]

1m geeta was https://old.reddit.com/r/PokemonMasters/comments/1e04aeu/1_million_with_geeta/?share_id=ZrhxLjochp5aualBZfRFI

[quick geode]

oh thank you!!
i wont sync w barry bc hes not exed but this is still very very helpful!!

[still hearth]

Yup that’s totally fine

Also remember to have your SC Emmett gridded with a Sync nuke build

[cloud timber]

as much sync power as you can fit in yea

[quick geode]

better!

didnt mean to use thud at the end there lol
but it didnt matter

[still hearth]

Wait did you even use Tm?

Emmets tm

[cloud timber]

i missed that he has rising tide so you can max out his defense to help with that

and you can use his trainer move before last sync to have the super effective up next buff it

[jaunty stratus]

My best poison is Ariana caked, am i fucked

[sacred badger]

555k for me last time

Gonna try and see geeta gaming then

[cloud timber]

ariana is better than geeta or she should be

[sacred badger]

Setting up Ariana is tough tbh

Like i could run nc leaf / ariana, cuz no Oleana

[cloud timber]

yeah oleana reliant

[dry whale]

Alright I'm sick of this already. I just can't get the crits , this run missed 3.

My potential is probably around 5.5-5.6m.

[vast glade]

Chase is Best Boy

[true locust]

Who need chase🤣 its not best comp

[cursive linden]

He truly is

[loud cedar]

who has an easier 1 mil ss roxie or geeta

[dry whale]

It may not be the best comp but its what I have.

My numbers may look like it's from a whale but I'm pure F2P. If I don't have the units I make do with what I do have.

I know I can hit 6 million but I'm not willing to spend the candies on it.

[hushed epoch]

OMG #gacha-and-flex message

[vernal condor]

Lmao

[cursive linden]

Oh my god

You can do 3M+ now

[icy pendant]

woah there isn’t a doc clear with her at 3 EXR, maybe I should get it just as a data point

[vagrant ivy]

is that from the bloody daily scout…

[cursive linden]

Yes

[lethal siren]

Bruh

[warped gulch]

Hmm i think that is mix

[neat burrow]

So are we thinking SS Emmet will be a new top tier unit for DCs?

[warped gulch]

Yeah Mix

[neat burrow]

Also finally got top 💯:)

[brazen escarp]

we need a field and sprint unit for every type from the exchange shop 🔥🔥

[hushed epoch]

ah it's from mix

[true locust]

Ss emmet top dc? He

Lol for wat

[still hearth]

What

[true locust]

Emmet is trap and sync wat is bad

All this make emmet out off units wat can be use

[vapid kernel]

@vernal condor this POison 1 team should be Janine not Jasmine

[vagrant ivy]

huh there's a BP jasmine?

[neat burrow]

Well he has para, guaranteed crit, 5 sync move up, SEUN with MPR wasn’t sure if that could potentially make him a top tier support for DCs

[true locust]

Trap is bad

This apply from 1 move

Wat make you lost alot time

[vagrant ivy]

but what if i don't use him as the main damage dealer, i use him as a sub for SC steven since he has para

but yeah trap

"just para a sidemon"

[true locust]

He trap any way its passive

[warped gulch]

F2P too

[true locust]

You can’t emmet para and not trap lol

For electric dc we have 3 better units then him

He never beat them

[vagrant ivy]

probably so

[vernal condor]

Wdym there's not bp jasmine clear

[vapid kernel]

Koga Chase Melony should be able to hit 980k

I'll try for tht cus otherwise i dont hv any good shit

[vagrant ivy]

could be 1m after gears, i'm doing that team too since i have koga 1m and nothing better

[dense gate]

Welp..I don’t have enough spirits to EX Guzma for Bug DC because of CS reset to Kalos (and I have to wait for next week to get the medal for master mode)

[vapid kernel]

I can also do Oleana but i calculated that i need 5 syncs for a 2/5

Which is gonna be super difficult

[fallen trail]

my old score is uh…. yeah……

with chase and melony koga can prob go higher but i’d be shocked if it was a million

i think i’ll finally candy oleana

[vernal condor]

maybe chase and dc blue

I'd need to do actual calcs but maybe it's better

dc blue loses you the supp sync but gives -1 SpD aoe at 3/5 and head start at base (+ ls)

and ofc kanto for the circle

[fallen trail]

blue is pretty low priority for my dc pairs to 3/5 list

thats an interesting idea tho

i think chase would need mpr for his tm for mga

[vernal condor]

2 is enough

[dry whale]

I hit 1mill on with Koga

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255888121648644197/1267240250342899813/Screenshot_2024-07-28-17-54-35-58_e0bcd2221fd4f2bd308a18aca1be7936.jpg?ex=6729ecb3&is=67289b33&hm=7083223ae6c54eedcd2831e568029a8959ae4b474cab241364b9628aa44c05a2&

[vapid kernel]

Right, POISON DAMAGE

And whts your grid for Koga? MIND GAMES or none

[dry whale]

I believe so but I have to look back at my messages see if I posted it.

This was the second time around it came back for Rank so I don't remember if I used the same grid or modified it.

[fallen trail]

oh word

maybe i don’t have to candy oleana after all…

though that looks extremely tight lol

[royal jolt]

the struggle of single poison is real

[warped gulch]

My Oleana has cake now so should be easier than last time

[royal jolt]

aaaaaa I wish I had her EXR

but, I used this month's tickets on Steven :P

[vernal condor]

Mine is EX R

But 1/5

[icy pendant]

will at least be rolling into poison tomorrow with EXR Geeta, because I don’t have spirits to EX my 3/5-able Roxtricity

[true locust]

My oleana is 7/5

So ready

[sturdy pebble]

I could upgrade my SS Roxie to hit 1 mill, but I don't think that'd be a great idea

[normal parcel]

Personally I just need a bug field, only type (besides normal) I'm lacking wtz

There are other types besides normal and bug that don't have at least 1 f2p wtz setter?

I think poison

[vernal condor]

Dragon

Many actually

All weathers and terrains are covered, but zones are so lacking

Normal, Fighting, Poison, Bug, Dragon, Ghost, Steel don't have f2p setters I believe

[brisk shale]

Ghost and steel have f2p, limiteds tho

E.Victor and lillie

[vernal condor]

anni 2 lillie for steel i just remembered

oh and victor yeah

a2 lillie is such a great unit, i'm still shocked she's free

[icy pendant]

dragon zone setters are just classically inaccessible, we need more of those in general

[vapid kernel]

Shauna Goodra dragon field trust

Bianca Mienshao fighting field too please

[vernal condor]

shauna goodra not from dc at least

Oh actually she does use it so it's a possibility

[vapid kernel]

Its a CERTAINTY

Altho f2p fairy zone cud also be nice

[icy pendant]

egg Sylveon erasure

[fluid wave]

Anyone know what result lusamine would yield?

[vapid kernel]

someone posted 600K

[fluid wave]

nice...

[vapid kernel]

she has no multipliers so that number is indeed high

[fluid wave]

that must be w REALLY good 2 other supps

then

no multiplieris.... def hard

[vapid kernel]

probably NC blue melony shitt

[fluid wave]

ok not worth my 20 5stars cards on her then...

i'll take my 100k poison/interference stall freebie

[fallen trail]

i saw 900k w lusamine

needed chase and melony

and very good dodge luck

[cursive linden]

In before Lusamine dies from N's Sync

[brazen escarp]

F2p limiteds aren't really f2p imo

[icy pendant]

those ones in particular more or less are

because they aren't limited pairs, they're event pairs

[brisk shale]

they're limited because there's a limited time frame to obtain them

even tho it's used more as "limited time frame to obtain, from the gacha"
you don't use gems to get them so they're f2p

also the f2p definition is vague

newer gen pools are less free to play than older ones

invested units are less f2p than uninvested
5* than 4*
gen pool than story, etc...

you can even stretch that any unit in the daily roll is f2p

[cloud timber]

would be more accurate by that point to just call everything in the game besides mix units f2p bc you can get them with free gems

and they're infinitely easier to get through regular scouting

[brazen escarp]

Well yes the f2p definition is vague but the reason I say they aren't exactly f2p is cuz u can't get them anymore

[cloud timber]

well you aren't paying for them when they are active

[brazen escarp]

Yea ik

But it's something like Jessie and James that u are likely never going to get them again

Anyways in general we need a f2p setter for all wtz