Damage Challenge

[copper otter]

The biggest thing i would say that makes the difference is only Screeching twice with Colress, Not 3 times

The boost in damage is not enough at -6 to warrant a 5 second loss

[ivory kestrel]

i'm using Screech twice only as well

[copper otter]

Hmmm.... the only other thing is just HS1 on both colress and Gardenia

[ivory kestrel]

i cant get to work 3 screeches and make the final sync (unless very very lucky with para procs)

[copper otter]

Yea, you need 2 paras at least to squeeze one last sync

It is VERY tight.

Also, for rock, if you have Oleana at least 1/5, she's much better than Aaron there

Oleana has move gauge boost to offset lack of gauge, and you need to use Steven's TMs anyways, use them when you're out of gauge.

The only downside is SC Steven't TM doesn't help rock tomb damage that well

[ivory kestrel]

i'll maybe try it with Oleana (i have her 1/5), though i'm not really enthusiastic with it due to lack of skill gears lol. ran out of feathers,

[copper otter]

I got 1.5 mil from it, it's not a big boost, but it definitely adds to a difficult stage.

granted i used Ss Diantha

[ivory kestrel]

lol, i tried several times, even gave Oleana Speedy Entry 2, i run out of gauge too fast even with Move Gauge boost use

also, my Oleana is not caked, nor i'm planning to give her role cake soon

[copper otter]

Oof yea she needs cake

But when you run out of gauge, that's where you have to start using TMs

[true locust]

Cake not solve you need mprs for oleana

[copper otter]

Does hot to touch activate from heat wave?

[ivory kestrel]

yeah, so everytime it procs, it wastes time, coz the stage stops status

[copper otter]

Oof

[fair mist]

i was told kukui was better for kekwalk enabling

[cloud timber]

gordie has trip up already so if you're looking at that kukui isn't contributing a lot

just trip wire

also ss diantha is even more ideal ofc but assuming you don't have that

[long silo]

So safe to say Serena's 6.4m is Lear right

[copper otter]

6.4 mil is 100% Lear with Gears

[long silo]

But also damn

[copper otter]

Idk if Psy terrain was involved tho

Idek how that woyld work tbh

Psy terrain with Lear would be insane

[long silo]

Maybe they will post vid?

Will check channel later

[copper otter]

But idk who has psy terrain, can sync rush/apply para and negate stat buffs for lear nuke without snatch

[long silo]

Anyways I know there are few questions before how high Lear can reach, but 6m is definitely not one of them

[safe prawn]

Watch 6.4 being Lear with weird stuff like Avery

[copper otter]

Maybe swap NC rosa for a Psy terrain user and have pal serena spam stun spore?

30% for 50% boost

[safe prawn]

But giving up for double 6EX boost

[copper otter]

Psy terrain can make up for it no?

But idk if that combination is even possible

Wait...... NC Bede?

Or is he sprint exr?

[icy pendant]

bede is sprint

[safe prawn]

Sprint

[copper otter]

Damn, thought he was field

[safe prawn]

Bellelba is supp with psy terr

[cloud timber]

no way you're passing up rosa if you have her

[vapid kernel]

Mmm

[copper otter]

Belleba has no sync rushing tho

[vapid kernel]

Everyone deciphering the 6.4M

[copper otter]

2 syncs need to be used for that which makes the time already 1:30 if sprint EXRs

[long silo]

Serena still has the 4.3m run recorded

[copper otter]

Wait.....

[safe prawn]

Oh it’s Serena

[copper otter]

What if...... it's SS Steven/Lear/ SSA Cynthia

[icy pendant]

should I try that?

I have the full team

[copper otter]

Normal mode steven, but do not change formes until about to sync

So you would need to rely on lear propulsion mpr?

But that wouldn't make sense

That can't be it

Because you would need to snatch the x speed because there's noway to aoe lower speed

[icy pendant]

did we already dismiss sc steven?

[copper otter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

...

How would you sync rush?

Although SEUp is notable

What if the big play of Supreme entry on lear lmao

[icy pendant]

with one sync?

[copper otter]

With one sync, SC Jasmine, NC Rosa

[icy pendant]

holijasmine

celesteela is doing nothing here

[copper otter]

I DID IT AGAIN

EVERY TIME

[cloud timber]

sc steven tanks the sync count with no spdef drop to compensate

[copper otter]

I SWEAR THAT IS NOT ON PURPOSE

[fluid anvil]

6.4M ts the same team with NC Rosa (and Chase ?), jsut with an extra sync

[copper otter]

But holijasmine has seup and support ex to compensate

[fluid anvil]

not sure about Chase tho

[copper otter]

It can't be chase

[fluid anvil]

but NC rosa for sure

why not?

[cloud timber]

chase or redlax

[copper otter]

There needs to be a way to get rid of speed without snatch

Snatch takes too much time

[cloud timber]

devoting another slot just to debuff speed is likely worse

but if you do there's pal serena

[copper otter]

Not if that slot provides paralysis or SEup or Psy terraun

[fluid anvil]

IMO its all the same as usual, snatch x3 .. just an extra sync due to insane rng

[cloud timber]

^

[copper otter]

That seems way too rng dependent

[cloud timber]

extra evasion and full para

[copper otter]

Let alone never hitting chase

[fluid anvil]

all top DC scores require insane rng

[copper otter]

Ugh

[cloud timber]

more possible than these other suggestions

[copper otter]

I need to see damage calcs with MPR refresh SEUp on HoliJasmine

Because that is the only thing i can reasonably think of

We need to find a way to squish 5 lear syncs

One at 1:10/55/35/20/2 secs

[safe prawn]

What if it’s Lear Chase NCRosa

[copper otter]

That would be too insane of a run to consider feasible

[safe prawn]

Have you ever seen a 1º place doing sane runs?

[cloud timber]

has to be really

[copper otter]

All of them have luck, but this would require you to use three snatches, pray for all misses on Chase, pray for Para proc, and hope for Propulsion for a turn 2 sync with Hs1 on Rosa and Chase

[safe prawn]

I can just throw random ideas bc I don’t have a cake for Lear

We’re on a diet in this house

[cloud timber]

every possible change tanks the score so much unless redlax works

[safe prawn]

But for sure you need para and Rosa is the sleep spammer bc of rebuff

[cloud timber]

maybe

[copper otter]

Damage calc
Soften up confirms crit so
Snatched stats after 2 support syncs :270k
Non-snatched : 180k

It's a massive difference

[safe prawn]

With the comp I said Lear has only to snatch

Bc Chase and Rosa also provides the buffs

And Chase maxes rising tide

So no need for stats up on sync

[copper otter]

[icy pendant]

well all this talking made me finally get a 3.3m with lear

and it's rank 56 why?

[cloud timber]

dead mode

[icy pendant]

kinda true

[fluid anvil]

for ground 3v3 the top 100 was ~4.4M at the end

[icy pendant]

yeah that's where I landed because I forgot to reset for tm mpr

[open grotto]

Who can I use for damage dealer in the challenge?

[cloud timber]

morty and gordie

[icy pendant]

gordie needs ex, if you can't make that investment then still gordie right?

olivia is just bad for this mode or does she have a relevant multiplier outside of sand?

[open grotto]

i can ex gordie i believe

who to use as support for them?

[vapid kernel]

What if Anni May

[cloud timber]

aaron ss diantha

need aaron to spam, diantha to help with cakewalk and rock zone

well at 1/5 it's just zone really

[fair mist]

trip wire 2 is passive and also no reactive passive for rock

[cloud timber]

gordie isn't tanking anyway but you're still having him on the team (assuming no 3/5 ss diantha)

so that ends up the same

so it's just "is trip wire 2 and maybe leer enough to warrant a spot"

[zenith jolt]

The 2m run for Diancie is too hard tbh

[zenith jolt]

If all the luck merged in one point, i can improve at least 1M

But for today passed 8M is good

[dry whale]

Imma call it, screw that last sync. This run would not be so miserable if Zapdos could guarantee the paralysis. Most of the time I was just restarting for 15minutes before I could even attempt to get a run in.

I pretty much have the same problem with Renegade Cynthia in Rank , that one at least I don't need the evasion. The problem their is hitting all the crits , I legitimately think I can hit 3.9-4.X million as long as she gets every Crit.

[long silo]

Wonder what the top 100 cut off will be

[copper otter]

If top 100 becomes 8 mil plus. I'll quit ever tryharding in this game

[crude sandal]

As of right now, it's 6.31M, but what you said can happen

4 days left

[loud cedar]

time to improve my psychic score

i ran steven lucian bianca the first time 💀

[lethal siren]

Where is spam

[cloud timber]

yeah the first time it wasn't widely known yet

[pallid girder]

The first time ppl were believing SS Lusa AOE DPS supremacy.

[feral hamlet]

Where's the 1m? I don't get it.

[crude sandal]

There are only very few cases where brute force is better than spam

[crude sandal]

Also I need some bleach after seeing this

[feral hamlet]

3 supports? I mean, where's the damage?

[crude sandal]

How did you manage only 300k with a 3/5 NC Leaf?

[vagrant ivy]

did you reset for body slam para

leaf is base tech

[thin wren]

did you paralyse with snorlax body slam first try

[feral hamlet]

Oh I didn't

[crude sandal]

I can tell for certainty that even if you don't paralyze with Redlax, the score should still be way above 300k

[feral hamlet]

I recently 3* her, so I don't have her gridded for that yet

[crude sandal]

No wonder

[cloud timber]

yeah you need to get that done

[feral hamlet]

Okay so gridded now. Gonna open with body slam para. Now it's just Rosa that's so hard to work with

[pallid girder]

I mean fully gridded dmg dealer is like the basic of getting 1M.

[crude sandal]

No, Potion spam first before para

[feral hamlet]

Okay, that makes a difference. Her second sync did 300k right there. But then I ran out of time

[crude sandal]

How did you only reach 2nd sync?

That team should reach 3rd or 4th sync

[feral hamlet]

I never reach 4th sync

Rosa is very awkward to use

[craggy pond]

3/5 colress finally !!!! is he still relevant lol

[vagrant ivy]

my ass is NOT staying in the top 1k

[vagrant ivy]

for this ranked yes

[craggy pond]

epic

[vagrant ivy]

on ghost 3v3 stage with renegade cyn and a zone setter

[craggy pond]

... no renegade cynthia 😔 gotta cook up my ranked teams

hm 1/5 emmet aint doing anything XD

hm looks like f2p is gordie for rock

?

[feral hamlet]

Barely scraped by with 1M

[craggy pond]

i dunno about ghost

fire i have 1/5 ss hilda and 1/5 anni n

should i run one of them or a f2p pair...

my pairs are not great for this DC lol

[feral hamlet]

Okay, what's the trick for this one?

[crude sandal]

You do know about the Shadow Force trick right?

[feral hamlet]

Oh, uh... Yeah

👍

1 more to go...

[copper otter]

something tells me you were scared to use Relic song here.

you shoud relic song once to allow sing fail spam after redlax paralyzes

this should allow you to easily hit 2 mil with moltres

[feral hamlet]

I tried way too many times. Ignoring it and using potions after sync seemed better

[copper otter]

only use potions for the first and second turn if aoe is not involved

this is as fast as sing spam for Nc rosa to abuse.

[cloud timber]

shadow force trick is just using it before enemy sync to preserve seun

cynthia gets seun on shadow force prep

[copper otter]

you should leer 3 times with molres, then B flare blitz.

Redlax should only use TM for moltres before you sync with her.

with that process. I can see 2.4 mil-2.6 mil if GRIDDED correctly

[feral hamlet]

Yeah I figured. Big damage this way

[feral hamlet]

I did this, yes. I also sing spam up until she has to sync, and syncs second

[copper otter]

but you did not relic song before sync. she needs to transform back.

[feral hamlet]

Oh, no I didn't. I figured it was a waste of time and could get by without song spam after that

[copper otter]

sing spam will always be the best option, hence why you can easily get 2.4 mil

it's when you get to 3 MIl where it gets RNG dependent

[feral hamlet]

I honestly don't think I've ever gotten 2m with anyone.

[copper otter]

Moltres easily can. she has so much nuking prowess along with sun

with SEUp as well, yea. she can hit it.

[feral hamlet]

Fine, I'll do it over and see if I can get a higher score

[copper otter]

before you do, can i see your grid?

because i have a feeling this grid will push it MUCH more easily.

[copper otter]

There's the problem

Do not run any of this.

that slows down sing fail spam

[feral hamlet]

Oh, I also recently made her 3* and forgot to update the grid

[copper otter]

Unironically, she doesn't need a grid for Damage challenge

the only thing she will ever need is the stat boost nodes for speed.

everything else is a waste of time because of animation time

and all redlax needs is this.

it looks counterproductive, but you aren't debuffing with redlax. you're debuffing with Leaf.

[sullen zephyr]

Sing acc +10 helps no?

[copper otter]

it does not.

you're not hitting sing to begin with

[sullen zephyr]

I remember someone saying sing failing is faster than sing missing

[copper otter]

I would need to see some video evidence on that claim imo because they both fail at the same speed for me

@feral hamlet also apologies on being a bit blunt on the recommendations here, but seeing 3/5 moltres only hits 1 mil feels very offputting when she is able to get 3 mil to even 4 mil at 3/5

[feral hamlet]

Where is the part where my points double?

[copper otter]

are any of the units caked?

also, where is your sun?

because it looks like you didn't update moltres's grid

[feral hamlet]

They all are caked

[copper otter]

then yea you did not have solar sync.

which you need, she should also have drought alert

insult to injury is not optimal here

[loud cedar]

yipeee

[feral hamlet]

I should have all the tiles you requested

[copper otter]

if that is the case, you should have synced with rosa around the 2:00/1:55 sec mark, Snorlax at the 1:20ish mark, then moltres at the 55-50 mark.

what are lucky skills? i assume Critical strike 2 on moltres. but head start might be tricker to get for rosa and snorlax

[warped gulch]

Why she is in fighting form ?

[crude sandal]

Yeah, why is Rosa in Pirouette Form?

[copper otter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z95bTBB6Lc Follow this video @feral hamlet

5/5 does not matter.

[feral hamlet]

Oh, she didn't have that actually. That should help cross the 1m mark more easily

[crude sandal]

Why is Rosa in Piroutte Form?

Why aren't you Sing spamming with her?

[copper otter]

this was the grid in their video. I adjusted it to be more viable.

[warped gulch]

You supposed to spam Sing with her

[feral hamlet]

That was an earlier attempt. I changed the move order and dealt with that

[copper otter]

my trainers in Pasio, they know about the sing fail

that has been fixed

[feral hamlet]

The 1168702 score is my current top

[crude sandal]

Your team can definitely reach 2M

[copper otter]

gotta head to bed here. but you got this StackOverJuice. you have the right team but it's just small things that could be easily forgotten

[loud cedar]

@warped gulch does your gordie team for super sparring require sc steven at 2/5

[warped gulch]

You dont have SEUN mpr so the score definitely lower

[cloud timber]

this is correct

you always want accuracy

[loud cedar]

ok got it, also is defense forme slower even if he raises defense/spdef two times?

[copper otter]

Is there a comparison on this?

[loud cedar]

oh wait

gauge

nevermind i'll try this team

[copper otter]

genuine question

[cloud timber]

no visual comparison no

[warped gulch]

You cant spam with def form

[feral hamlet]

Caps out at 3 sync. At least it's significantly better now

[warped gulch]

Bc Iron Def doesn’t buff 2 different stats

[copper otter]

I can't really trust that claim until there is proof imo. 😬

[cloud timber]

i won't be going out of my way for this one

[copper otter]

already asked in #916852044692856834

[cloud timber]

in the meantime it's aburd to advise against it

[copper otter]

keep in mind Invert, i'm not saying you're wrong, but it feels kind of odd for a miss to be slower than it failing. it feels the exact same to me unless there's a direct comparison. if there isn't one, it genuinely feels like a placebo effect is taking place.

[feral hamlet]

Well unless I can gain another 15 seconds, I don't think 2m will be attainable. I could settle for 1.8

[copper otter]

still a massive improvement

[crude sandal]

I have the same team as yours, but I managed 3M with 4 syncs

[warped gulch]

• 100% Sing accurate (with ET for that) with 1 para

• only +2 accurate with 1 para and 1 miss Play Rough

Both test for 8 Syncs total

[true locust]

https://youtu.be/yfkxEEyvjk8?si=d9M9qXB738JvsyCN

Copy my clear you will do way more:)

Just need 2 eva up from rosa on start then have more time and miss::)

But good thing you reset just early. Just need 1 miss play rought its all this move can miss no eva too so more like you get it

[vagrant ivy]

damage cap on the last sync wtf

[feral hamlet]

Waiting until after first sync for para proc is rough though

[true locust]

This is how you do it

Just this run its timing perfect

Spam pots early buy you time

Eva mean you can avoid play rought

Still i last sync around 5 second so its alot time cap left

[feral hamlet]

I still can't reliably get past 1.3m. I retried and haven't been able to reach 1.8 again

1.8 is the ceiling barring extreme luck. I'll just keep this score and move on

But thanks for all the help, everyone

Ideas for the last one? I thought this would do better

[boreal warren]

do you have aron for spam

[feral hamlet]

Yeah

He is atrocious at it

[old valve]

Ah crap I forgot I have to play damage challenge to win training tickets for damage challenge

Both my SC Steven and NC Rosa are EXR'd, so... them and NC Blue, ig?

[cloud timber]

if you have paulo on the team he speeds up the setup for aaron a lot

just need to get to his first sync to use his b move

[old valve]

wat

Is this about the Super Sparring event or the current damage challenge against Nemona

Oh wait this was about the posts before me

My brain fell off sorry

Oh hey there are few enough useful tiles for sync nuking on a 3/5 Steven grid that I can just run soften up lol

That's fun

[true locust]

Steven need soft up sync notes

Nc blue and nc rosa

[old valve]

I wouldn't say need but

That's the team plan yeah

[true locust]

Need if want all sync crits🤣

[old valve]

I mean

rng lol

Attack forme caps the crit stat so it's not like it's unrealistic to get all crits without soften

But yea I get ya

Aaaanyways ig I just press Attack!, do discharge into sing spam, slap on a single b relic song before rosa's sync, and use x speeds at needed until me win vibeo game

Unless I've forgotten about something, seems solid to me

[dusty solar]

sing before relic song means no aoe psychic rebuff

[feral hamlet]

Yeah that last battle is very unforgiving. No status to spam. No flinch to block Tyranitar flinch lock. What did they want you to do here?

[pallid girder]

For super sparring you only need 1M on 1 stage ever, unless you're aiming for top 100 or sth.

[old valve]

Oh, it's first move on opponent per form, not first damaging hit, I see

So I guess I just... have to press b relic 3 times then?

[dusty solar]

so just use tms the first cycle and then relic song right before her sync

potion at start is a free skip

[old valve]

Oh right potions

How could I forget

[cloud timber]

at 80% it can realistically take a very long time to get a run without any missed crits when you're working with aoe sync

[old valve]

I was resetting for heat wave misses so I could use more of them on Barry just the other day lol

[cloud timber]

while having everything else go the way you want

[old valve]

Fair! I just felt like "need" was a little misleading is all

Maybe that's just me being nitpicky though

[dusty solar]

ss steven doesn’t really have any sync nodes besides the +25 ones anyways

just get furious brain and soften up

[vagrant ivy]

3 crits at +3 crit: 51.2%
2 crits: 38.4%
1 crit: 9.6%
no crits: 0.8%

whether you want to sac soften up 1 for these odds is entirely up to you

[old valve]

Yeah I was saying the same earlier prettir lol

[vagrant ivy]

do you mean heat wave miss on rock 3v1 without any evasion

[dusty solar]

there is no sacrifice lol

[vagrant ivy]

that’s like 0.1% odds is it not

[old valve]

Correct!

Just fishing for one in the opener so I could have two instant pots lol

[dusty solar]

Oh you get tickets again!!!

Why didn’t anyone tell me lol

[old valve]

Oh shit tickets 2!!!!!

[dusty solar]

Glad I labbed it out lol

[old valve]

This makes sense in retrospect

[dusty solar]

Yeah I was like uhhhh… having to do super sparring every month or no dc units

[old valve]

Nobody would ever 5/5 all of the DC units without candies if they didn't re-ticket ya

[vagrant ivy]

brother you are more likely to pull a master fair in the first single than getting a full heat wave miss

you might want to reconsider

[old valve]

Oh uh

Important clarification

[candid nexus]

What's the noble roar technique

[old valve]

It was a single miss I was hopping for

[candid nexus]

Does thst also work for speed or no?

[vagrant ivy]

I see now

[old valve]

Just so I had a unit to throw a second potion at, yeah

[true locust]

Is your cynthia caked?

[vagrant ivy]

daily scout limited is 0.02% to full heat wave miss 0.1%, mb

[old valve]

It's literally just using noble roar as your sync spam move- it works but you need a LOT of gauge recovery speed to make it work lol

[feral hamlet]

Yeah

[true locust]

How the hell did you score less then me when i use morthy😒? He

[old valve]

Technically a single heat wave miss IS less likely than a 5 star pull on a normal banner, funnily enough

[thin wren]

improper spamming probably

[old valve]

Kinda fucked

[true locust]

I got one time full heat wave miss🤣

[thin wren]

same

is it really 0.02%?

[old valve]

The daily scout limiteds? Yes

[thin wren]

I am talking about heat wave miss

[old valve]

Full heat wave miss? No

[true locust]

Its should be same 10% for it since 90 accu

[old valve]

Full heat wave miss is 0.1%, as mentioned above

[true locust]

Not sure if aoe change it

[thin wren]

what do ya all think will be optimal comp for mult rock btw

I u Selene will be the main dd

[candid nexus]

Oh I understand but when I use it it's super slow. Not as fast as sing or am I missing something?

[thin wren]

150% easy sync mult with tech exr, good special attack and built in status

[feral hamlet]

Morty actually pretty good

[thin wren]

if the enemy is at -6 it's as fast as sing spam but a lot more gauge heavy

[true locust]

You should get around 3m whit cynthia

[feral hamlet]

Uh results not typical

[true locust]

No crazy gears

[old valve]

It only becomes fast per se once your opponents are already at -6 in both offenses

[true locust]

You have nc blue?

[old valve]

So it takes a bit

[true locust]

Some use nc blue cynthia and melony

And get 3m

[old valve]

Same thing goes for any strats you may have heard about involving Aaron's Defend Order or SS Steven's Cosmic Power- they need their defenses capped before those moves work fast too

[candid nexus]

Who are the noble roar spammer. Kyurem and reshiram?

[old valve]

I believe those are the only ones rn yea

Unless I've forgotten someone

[feral hamlet]

I very much doubt I can

[old valve]

I assume I wouldn't want Team Stoic or Force Field on NC Rosa orrrr what

Do those trigger on failed sleeps or nah

[crude sandal]

I mean, enemies are too weak to kill you

[old valve]

I mean. Yeah.

But Steven has a built in Rising Tide on his Sync.

So the more stats I can cram in within a reasonable amount of time, the more damage he does.

[warped gulch]

Who do you use with them ?

[old valve]

With SS Steven? Personally, NC Rosa and NC Blue are my best options afaik. There are alternatives if you don't have those units though.

[warped gulch]

• Steven has 6 SpA + 3 Crit + 1 Acc for him self
• Rosa: + 2 that isn’t SpA or Speed
• Blue: +6 speed

And with that you got perfect +18 stats to max his Rising Tide

[old valve]

Oh the Crit counts?

The more you know

Also don't forget that Rosa arbitrarily also boosts party spdef by one for landing relic song in aria forme

Perfect +18 ruined

Time to figure out what the heck else I'm supposed to do with rosa's grid then though

[warped gulch]

No, that for herself

[old valve]

Oh it's solo? Dang

How did I never notice that

[old valve]

My fault

I could've swooorn

[warped gulch]

Yup, that why she has those +Def/SpDef tiles in her grid

For consistent buff both for team

[old valve]

I'm from gen 4 my eyes are only as good as a Nintendo ds's resolution sorry

But aight, good to know

Now to figure out literally anything else for her lol

[normal parcel]

But discharge gives +1 def/spdef for the team

And you have to discharge for paralysis regardless

With chase I guess you really want to grid for team stoic and team force field

[fluid anvil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmxtys_1O44
was this posted ? 6M+ with Lear
as I thought, its the same Chase-Rosa team, just 5 Lear syncs

[vagrant ivy]

chase doubters in shambles

I was thinking nc blue to get a total of -4 spd from discharge b relic song and sync

but that requires a copious amount of mind games rng and 3 snatches as well

[fluid anvil]

and "Mind Games 2 lucky skill on NC Rosa"

[vagrant ivy]

it looks like he didn’t have circle for the last sync

the main interest point is tanking with chase

he likely had very good multipliers on gears that are tied to para or status cond

miss rng was ok but not terribly op, he did get at least 1 punch and dgleam miss

he also did not reset for 2 eva from Rosa b move

[fluid anvil]

how many propulsion procs?

[vagrant ivy]

2

[thin wren]

Chase has always being the best for non electric special units

[thin wren]

gear allows for 6 mil yeh

gears are the main difference maker and why you ever tank with chase

[fluid anvil]

why does he need to tank with Chase though ? wont the AoE attacks procs his passive paralysis anyway ?

[thin wren]

nemo has no aoe attacks

[fluid anvil]

oh

then yeah

[thin wren]

so she won't be para

Lear being 6 mil+ is deserved

I can't wait for multi bug and rock again

especially mult rock

[crude sandal]

Alt. Selene will be the best for rock 3v3 right?

[thin wren]

u Selene diantha and elio will go ham

[thin wren]

should be

[crude sandal]

Guess I'll still use SS Diantha for rock 3v3

[thin wren]

doesn't silver have half the nuke of Selene

I just 5/5ed my Selene today so using her will be fun

[crude sandal]

It's conflicting for me who will be better between Gloria and SS Lear for steel 3v3

[vernal condor]

no way it's not lear

[crude sandal]

Gloria has a better nuke, but Lear can do more syncs

[vernal condor]

gloria barely reached 2.5m

poppy did better lol

[crude sandal]

But if Gloria has tech EXR by the time steel 3v3 comes

820 BP sync gaming

[crude sandal]

I got 2.8M with Gloria

[vernal condor]

you didn't record thus your run doesn't exist i dont make the rules

[fluid anvil]

Steel 3v3 max was ~3.8M and people said that score was Gloria, not Poppy (with many MP refreshes)

[thin wren]

Doesn't Lear have a stronger nuke

[crude sandal]

It's still recorded in game, and I also have an SS previously

[fluid anvil]

if Gloria gets Tech or Field role, she will definitely have a stronger nuke than SS Lear IIRC.
on top of TM giving SEUN

[thin wren]

I am talking about current gloria

[crude sandal]

Field is only 1.5x damage for her, unlike tech which makes her have 820 BP sync move

[thin wren]

Lear boosts the entire team's sync damage by like 70%

[misty forge]

There's no reason to record shit, the mode is as relevant as photo mode

[fluid anvil]

Gloria being a 2020 pair and still a top scorer was the most wild thing about DC
the only other old top scorers per type were Lear and SSRC -2021
everyone else was 2022 and later

[thin wren]

270% vs 200% +1.5x (+1.3x on a single enemy as well)

[fluid anvil]

? Tech EX role gives the exact same x1.5 boost (to sync)

[crude sandal]

No

[thin wren]

she got a great expansion

[fluid anvil]

?

[thin wren]

also being a tech in disguise helps

[crude sandal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/583120259708616715/916852389347196958/1229820034851799141

[thin wren]

Lear will also have a VERY strong final b move

that will probably get 600k

[vernal condor]

what is bro yapping about

[crude sandal]

Tech multiplier is accounted for first before her innate

[thin wren]

300 bp aoe no split steel zone circle Lear passives 2 smun

[thin wren]

tbf Steel didn't get much until last month

Then it jumped into the strongest type

[fluid anvil]

? Tech EX role is still a flat x1.5 boost. It doesnt matter if it applies to the base power, its like that for all Techs
still a 1.5x boost, same as a zone

[crude sandal]

No it isn't. Click the message link and backtrack slightly

[vernal condor]

is that the best lear team? lol

[crude sandal]

And you're forgetting about her innate too

Innate of 2x damage when enemy has a sync buff

[fluid anvil]

right now she has 240 + 50 = 290 .. 290 x 2 = 580 BP max
with tech EXR she would have (240x1.5) + 50 = 410 .. 410 x 2 = 820 BP
820 / 580 = 1.414x
so actually a bit less than x1.5 from zone

[thin wren]

no

thorton melony Lear

[vernal condor]

oh thorton

well it's about the same isn't it

[sacred badger]

Thorton gaming 😮

[thin wren]

thorton has para and zone and less gauge heavy and no reactive passive

[cursive linden]

Thorton can para?

Ohhhhhh

[sacred badger]

Discharge

[thin wren]

iirc yes

[crude sandal]

[cursive linden]

Does he he passive that boost the status percentage?

[crude sandal]

Yeah, HE2

[thin wren]

ASS ain't gonna be optimal for dc

[cursive linden]

90℅ para

[crude sandal]

Split

[cursive linden]

Bruh

[misty forge]

Hit me up when going over 1mil has a reward worth 15 mins (if not hours and hours) of resets

[cursive linden]

90℅ x 75℅

Uhhhh

[sacred badger]

this build though?

[thin wren]

Lear has an almost equal (sometimes stronger) nuke than gloria and more syncs and a big final attack

[vernal condor]

literally no game mode does lol

[cursive linden]

67.5℅ each target?

[misty forge]

LG has better incentives than this

[vernal condor]

bleh

[crude sandal]

It's literally half

45% to each target

3 targets split is 50% effect

[cursive linden]

Goddamit

[crude sandal]

Just like NC Blue

[misty forge]

CS can be cleared 1v3, 2v3 or 3v3 just as optimally, making it varied and fun

[sacred badger]

my steel clears are 1mil+ each. so..... i dont have to go all out .-.;

[thin wren]

lg is the only mode with worthwhile rewards after it's minimum score

[misty forge]

DC has no such thing as your faves either get to 1mil or not

[cursive linden]

Yeah, I'll get field with no field on mix pity I guess

[thin wren]

DC also has the best rewards among the ranked modes right?

[sacred badger]

new units o.o

[thin wren]

cuz it's monthly instead of bimonthly

[sacred badger]

you basically play for new units. lmao

and dupes of them units.

can be hit or miss, but it helps out a lot.

[thin wren]

tbf regular dc is just for us to test stuff before the ranked

[glad kraken]

i mean, it isn't necessarily

we've had it 4/5 months but it hasn't been every month

[crude sandal]

Not sure who to use as a spammer for AS Steven/Gloria team

[misty forge]

Yeah, but 1mil gets just as many units

[sacred badger]

honestly once i'm done with uh the units, i start farming the sync orbs :>

[thin wren]

Fair but the one month it didn't appear the next one had double rewards

[sacred badger]

they're expensives but eh.

i need them yellow orbs

[cursive linden]

5/5 or 3/5?

[thin wren]

either way it gives the most gems and 2 candies of all types except yellow

[fluid anvil]

if you have para gears - it has to be Colress

[sacred badger]

3/5 only

[glad kraken]

and honestly, outside of LG not having the extra role's candy coins i'd rather have those rewards tbh

[sacred badger]

i dont think any of the dc units would want 5/5 +70. they'd appretiate it i think.

[thin wren]

why ASS?

less value than thorton

[crude sandal]

Ah because 2x support EX

[cursive linden]

More people have Arc Steven than VThorton

[thin wren]

gloria already -1 rebuffs 1 enemy so less boosts, no para, reactive passive,etc.

[crude sandal]

And Thorton has para with steel zone

[fluid anvil]

oh wait Thorton has para + steel zone, right ? and suppEX
lol he might actually be beter than ASS lmao

[sacred badger]

variety unit though. max pain.

[thin wren]

V thorton has support exr so you are not losing anything

ngl , I don't see why people are pushing ASS for steel

In dc

[sacred badger]

cuz

[cursive linden]

Also, he has metal sound IIRC?

[fluid anvil]

most people probably dont remember that V. Thorton exists

[sacred badger]

if its single target, ASS would be your nuker.

[crude sandal]

He's the one that got me 2.8M in the 1st steel 3v3

[thin wren]

v thorton is almost the perfect setter

[cursive linden]

What holds him back?

[sacred badger]

assuming he's 3/5 though .-.;

[crude sandal]

But powercreep spoils our eyes I guess

[thin wren]

3.8 mil is locked behind v thorton iirc

[sacred badger]

his bmove sucks i think for DC.

[fluid anvil]

Support arc pairs arent necessarily optimal for DC, even busted ones

[thin wren]

v thorton?speed buffs only

[cursive linden]

Oh.

[crude sandal]

But who spams?

[fluid anvil]

so V.Thorton + Gloria/SS Lear + Melony/Elio ?

[cursive linden]

Melont

[thin wren]

he's like one of the 3 varieties that I respect but I get why he's forgettable

[thin wren]

yeh

[cursive linden]

What if you don't have VThorton?

[thin wren]

I think Lear b move will push him ahead of gloria

[cursive linden]

Just NC blue?

[thin wren]

I unfortunately won't be able to aim for top 10 in steel mult cuz no v thorton

Unless they rerun him

[crude sandal]

I managed master 17 last time

[thin wren]

I might pull for him ngl

[crude sandal]

With my team

[fluid anvil]

I think it will be :
Gloria with Tech role > SS Lear = Gloria with Supp role > Gloria w/o EXR
And if Gloria gets Field somehow - you can swap Thorton for ASS and then you have both rebuffs and zone

[cursive linden]

Variety (Paid) selects

[thin wren]

I think SS Lear will almost certainly be better if gloria doesn't get tech for some reason or field tho I think field is unlikely

tech is very likely tho for Gloria

[crude sandal]

Thorton has Metallic Acceleration, but you'd still need speed buffs

[thin wren]

not gonna spend paid gems for varieties

even if it's one I respect

[crude sandal]

I'm thinking V. Thorton/Gloria/NC Rosa for me

[thin wren]

why nc rosa?

[crude sandal]

Rosa has speed buffs while having spam

[thin wren]

elio is still faster and his gauge is fine

Yes he's a bit rng

well ig you could fish for eva on Gloria

[fluid anvil]

SS lear doesnt have guaranteed crit/soften-up 1 ? shame

[misty forge]

+1 speed on elio tho

[crude sandal]

Unless you somehow pulled +20 attack and +30 speed on a pin that fits all 3 units

[thin wren]

he wants you to gamble more

so your gambling desire increases

so you spend more on gambling and he gets more money

[fluid anvil]

Thorton + SS Lear + Melony with fast-track might have enough gauge for spam

[thin wren]

v thorton is such a nice zoner for dc

[crude sandal]

Yeah, Lear is like 2/3 of Gloria's sync

Or like 70% of Gloria's sync

At least according to my calcs

[thin wren]

are you giving only mid -1 rebuff or all enemies

[crude sandal]

Even if the -1 steel rebuff is to one enemy, Gloria is still better

[thin wren]

how much attack does Gloria have again

because it should be closer to 90%

[crude sandal]

485

At 150 and EX

[thin wren]

ah that's 40 more than Lear iirc

[crude sandal]

If Gloria has tech EXR, that puts her at 505 attack

[thin wren]

I am talking about current Gloria vs Lear

[crude sandal]

Yeah, but I'm just saying only

And for equal comparison's sake, I made both Lear and Gloria 5/5

[vapid kernel]

But its rebuff plus Steel passive

[crude sandal]

Here's my calcs for them:
SS Lear: 192,448

Gloria

• -1 rebuff: 270,188
• No rebuff: 207,836

Huh, funny how Gloria still outnukes Lear even without steel rebuff on two of them

[thin wren]

1. Steel passive does nothing for syncs

2. The 2 optimal dds don't have zone so v thorton's zone would benefit them equally

3. V thorton gives para so sing spam is possible which is much faster

4. Reactive passive is cringe

[thin wren]

lemme send my results, how many sync buffs are you calcing at

[crude sandal]

Also -2 rebuff = zone

[crude sandal]

2x support EX

I'll send my teams here and you can see what I inputted

SS Lear
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=004100046200&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=15010101&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFCAwnKQ&v1=006601100000&s1=5&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016403&t1=44444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFBhIVFhcYHiMmKSosLi8&v2=010102064800&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=15010101&t2=44444&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFBgcRGhwmKSss

Gloria
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=004100046200&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=15010101&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFJyk&v1=024300088801&s1=5&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016403&t1=44444&g1=AAECAwQFBhEUHiElJiguLzAxMjU&v2=010102064800&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=15010101&t2=44444&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFBgcRGhwmKSss

[fluid anvil]

Without SEUN - SS Lear sync should be stronger than Glorias right now. He has higher SpAtk than she does Atk and extra boosts from circle. Theres no reason why his isnt higher
with Tech EXR - she would be higher
but if you get TM refreshes and get SEUN for her every sync - thats what puts her ahead, even without Tech EXR

[crude sandal]

The important thing about Gloria is that she needs 5/5 for SEUN

Gloria has Fierce Entry 2, Thorton's TM gives +2 attack and +3 crit to her and Gloria's TM gives +2 attack to herself

Not to mention she also has sure crit on her TM

And Lear doesn't have Soften Up, so both have to deal with their respective crit RNGs

[thin wren]

she will have 1-2 less syncs tho

cuz tm anim

Lear also has big b move at the end

[fluid anvil]

definitely not 2 less, maybe 1 less

but if every sync has SEUN - thats big

[crude sandal]

Practically Gloria

[fluid anvil]

I think SS Lear might compete with/beat her until her EX role, after EX role she could pull ahead

[thin wren]

Lear final b move will hit for like 600k

*500k

iirc Nate final b move 600k but he had more mun even if it was split and with less mults

[fluid anvil]

SS lear will break 4M IMO, but not 5M

[crude sandal]

Gloria might break 5M with enough RNG

[fluid anvil]

funny that he will score less than 2021 Lear even with having a steel arc pair

[thin wren]

Lear might if everything gets paraed

[crude sandal]

She can initially outnuke Lear even without rebuff

[thin wren]

Lear is our glorious king

[thin wren]

won't her first sync not have any mults?cuz no rebuff on enemy

*sync buff

[crude sandal]

It's 3v3, so OFC enemy will have their syncs faster

And also, I hate to say this, but X Speed All for enemy is good when using Gloria

[sacred badger]

btw...

[thin wren]

Lear will still have 1 more sync probably at least and 500k b move

[sacred badger]

3/5 Arc Cynthia vs single ground.... y or n?

[thin wren]

y

[sacred badger]

think i'll hit 1m?

[crude sandal]

Definitely

[thin wren]

much better than whatever we had for st ground back then

[sacred badger]

Courtney.

[fluid anvil]

3M guaranteed, maybe 3,5M

[thin wren]

3 mil maybe

[sacred badger]

what team even for 3m?

[crude sandal]

Same for 3v3

[fluid anvil]

the exact same as for 3v3. NC blue + Melony

[sacred badger]

oh melony gaming

hrm

basically aiming for TM Refresh? lol

[fluid anvil]

you have more time in 3v1

easier to get 4 Cynthia syncs with several TMs

[crude sandal]

Oh yeah, with Gloria on the team, you might not even need speed buffs

Just use Move Gauge Boost

[thin wren]

imagine if Cynthia was a special unit

she could take advantage of chase

[crude sandal]

So what would be her sync then? Earth Power?

And her B Move

[thin wren]

yeh tho it sounds a lot less epic than almighty rending earthquake

[normal parcel]

Tech is 1.5x damage that doesn't affects sync BP nodes, Field is 1.5x damage that affects sync nodes too

[sacred badger]

poison single is my bane ;-;

fairy single too

[crude sandal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/583120259708616715/916852389347196958/1229819371904569425

[thin wren]

do you have chase

[sacred badger]

yeah 2R

[thin wren]

there's a mostly f2p 1 mil with Chase

[sacred badger]

with el koga?

[thin wren]

yeh

[sacred badger]

long as its better than Ariana 3 .-.;

[crude sandal]

Tech EX is accounted for first, then the sync move nodes. After that the innate is accounted for next

Which means [(240 * 1.5) + 50] * 2 = 820

[sacred badger]

my psychic one i can go better though :/

not quite sure what team i should use though

Anni May gaming?

setting up is bad though

[crude sandal]

Lemme cook ST psychic with DC Blue and SS Brendan

[sacred badger]

900k lulz

[fluid anvil]

except she already has 580 BP right now, without any EX role...
-240 + 50 = 290 .. 290 x 2 = 580 BP max
-with tech EXR she would have (240x1.5) + 50 = 410 .. 410 x 2 = 820 BP
-820 / 580 = 1.414x
the Tech boost is usually less than 1.5 because it doesnt boost the purple grid tiles
Field is a flat x1.5 boost to everything

[crude sandal]

Yeah

[fluid anvil]

so Field > Tech for her in terms of a damage boost

For anyone actually.
Field is only worse if you already have the WZT in some other form

[crude sandal]

That'd be V. Thorton

[fluid anvil]

with Field EXR you could replace V.Thorton for AS Steven

[crude sandal]

And who spams?

[fluid anvil]

Colress or BP Barry

[crude sandal]

Well, enemies will have AoE moves; and unlike Chase who can evade attacks, Steven's Triage Tank passive will always trigger

So you'll be really slowed down a fair bit

[fluid anvil]

just gonan have to deal with that. But the syncs wil be a lot stronger, having -2 rebuffs and zone
ASS also does AoE def debuffs

[crude sandal]

Let's see what's stronger, x2 support EX and rapid spamming or -2 extra rebuff

[fluid anvil]

You would still have double SuppEX if using BP Barry. You dont need corless screech since ASS can do -2 AoE defence
but yeah, slower spam

this scenario is only if Gloria gets Field EXR, which she probably wont
in every other scenario V.Thorton is better

[crude sandal]

Not to mention the potential evasion shenanigans with NC Rosa

[vapid kernel]

1. WTF I PULLED STEVEN FOR NOTHING

[fluid anvil]

Evasion rng with Rosa is probably never worth it because her B-move will eat up all the time (and thats assuming you even get any evasions, +2 is not much)
Its only worth it for psychic/fighting.
Otherwise Melony is better, thats why NC blue + Melony is the staple

[crude sandal]

Well, Thorton is there and you'd need some form of speed buff

NC Rosa provides potential evasion buff and speed buff with her TM to help with her spamming

And she can also do Potion spam at the start

[thin wren]

he's still absolutely broken outside dc

[fluid anvil]

Thorton Metallic Accel + Gloria very high speed stat (~500)/SS Lears circle Accel + Fast-Track 1 on Melony can probably be enough to spam
alternatively even Elio could still be faster than Rosa overall

Rosa might be better for SS Lear to give him SMUNs
but not for Gloria, who doesnt have a big move finisher

[crude sandal]

Her Behemoth Blade is feasible

[fluid anvil]

it will do less than 100K at the end

[crude sandal]

Who knows

[fluid anvil]

I do

[misty forge]

Mine did 85k at the end

Without arc steve

[long silo]

https://youtu.be/Pmxtys_1O44?si=EBnWWLOXYolgFFLj

Okay ye it was the exact same team

[fluid anvil]

were you using V.Thorton ?

[thin wren]

it's the expected team

[vagrant ivy]

not expected, there was some dissent but nobody was able to cook up anything better so that ended the discussion

[crude sandal]

If Gloria's team is AS Steven and BP Barry, then I calculate only 3 syncs at best

[long silo]

I'm watching now, but wow Chase is the target

[fluid anvil]

I expected it. Every other team is worse
if you see a huge jump for the #1 score - it jsut means that someone got insane rng and an extra sync
it also happened for Poison 3v3 and Water 3v3

someone got 5,5M with Roxie and over 6M with Dahlia
and the #2 score was more than a million less IIRC

[vagrant ivy]

yeah I’ve noticed it a few times previously

[thin wren]

idt there was any dissent

[thin wren]

broken gears so everything needs to be para

[vagrant ivy]

anyways gloria’s “renewable” SEUN is tied to an MPR 1 TM

sure sync burst but still

good luck lol

[thin wren]

very common for chase scores btw

chase scores generally have the biggest gaps

[crude sandal]

Evasion can be really huge

[thin wren]

chase being good in dc is very fitting

[vagrant ivy]

942k first sync is certainly something

[misty forge]

No

[long silo]

There definitely was a discussion earlier, but it ended because ye no one can cook anything else

[misty forge]

Palmarnie

[thin wren]

gears can give upto a 45% boost

gearless Lear gets 710k first sync

[long silo]

But anyways congrats to Lear for joining the 6m club

[thin wren]

The discussion was on the best possible SSS score iirc

[long silo]

I hope you mean stat only gear because mt +95 has 720k

[thin wren]

stat only gear

[long silo]

Okay good. I would be concerned about my run

[thin wren]

is this the third highest dc score ever

[long silo]

How much is Dahlia

And Gladion

[thin wren]

6.5 mil iirc

[long silo]

Ah okay

[thin wren]

glad was 6.3 mil but idk about super sparring results

[fluid anvil]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1unwNqwt18yroGqlEpdcnvYBhpn7KdX-ZCD53vqiufzg/edit?gid=78541076#gid=78541076

[long silo]

Now to see how Steel (Lear) and Dark (Giacomo) shake things up

[thin wren]

I don't like reading.

[thin wren]

Oo second highest dc score ever?

[long silo]

Yes

I thought second but I was not sure about Dahlia and Gladion score

Glad that clears things up

[misty forge]

Bit unsure about lear getting over 4mil easily

[fluid anvil]

SS Lear wont necessarily shake it up much, but Glorias EX role might
Giacomo idk, I think he is bad for DC because of that passive

[long silo]

Oh what's Giacomo passive

[misty forge]

Yeah Giacomo proccing syupnext is shit

[thin wren]

how much stronger is his nuke compared to marnie's

[misty forge]

Team hit= proc

[thin wren]

team reactive passive

[fluid anvil]

the one that gives SyMUNs on every enemy attack

[long silo]

Oh okay oops

[misty forge]

Quite, but unlike her he slows down cycle a lot

[thin wren]

should have a 1 mil+ final b Move

wait is it split

[misty forge]

Yeah lol

[fluid anvil]

Marnie has less multiplier, but +40% SpAtk
and her b-mvoe is not split

[misty forge]

I was about to say

1mil buddy with his slow downs sounds definitely hard to get

[fluid anvil]

and she doesnt have the slow passive
He will probably do worse in DC

[misty forge]

Yeah she can also dodge

[long silo]

I see

Regardless I'll be able to improve both now that I have SS Lear and Marnie

I do need VThorton tho

[normal parcel]

With field is (240 +50) * 2 * 1.5 = 870

So field is superior unless you can already provide field

The more sync nodes you get, the best field performs over tech

Worst case scenario is the same damage with no sync tiles (assuming you cant provide field for tech ex)

Tech is only better if you can provide field

[vapid kernel]

Yalls if SS Diantha get head start 1 as LS, she can reduce sync countdown twice right?

[vernal condor]

no

[normal parcel]

Nope

Headstart triggers only once

[vapid kernel]

L

I thought that was the whole point of ss wally's kit

[normal parcel]

It has a different headstart on mega

[vernal condor]

he got head start 1 pre mega and head start 2 post mega

not the same passive

[vapid kernel]

Ah its because his 2nd time is different

Cheating

[normal parcel]

Headstart 1 ≠ headstart 2 so it triggers again

[vapid kernel]

Because he had HS1 on his grid and i was like
Yes then he can reduce cd by 3 after sync ??

[vernal condor]

nop

[normal parcel]

Hs1 on grid stays hs1 post mega so it won't trigger again

To trigger post mega it should get replaced by a different tier of headstart

[vapid kernel]

Mega: Sync CD v 1

New 5/5 passive

Im ready for Fighting 3v1, this time i have Gloria Alt

1M another stage

[sacred badger]

would be funny if they got the effects we get in Battle Rally, like the popcorn i think? or 4-hit combo.

[vapid kernel]

@lusty galleon i think sth broke

This is Lodge Steven

[vagrant ivy]

Base: This attack's power increases when the Rock Damage Field applies to the opponent's field of play

???

yeah something broke

also how are you making LSteven do 200k on a sync @vapid kernel

[vernal condor]

well steven got a good sync

and stealth rock super prep lol

[misty forge]

Yep

Bros sync is super high ceilings

[copper otter]

Problem is Rock damage field being a multiplier

[normal parcel]

Lodge Steven sync is pretty strong, is just that stealth rock sucks in DC

On paper it could do a lot, in practice is in the same spot as other units with sand/hail/trap/confusion based multipliers (burn and poison sucks too, but at least they enable sing spam)

[worthy pike]

Is this the right place to get help for the Super Sparring event? I'm struggling to figure out how I should handle the Challenge Hau stage...

(I have a fair few decent Off-Type attackers and Off-Category attackers, but I seem to lack in Physical Ghost specifically)...

[neat burrow]

SSR Cynthia or Regular plain Morty

[icy pendant]

there are only two relevant damage dealers for Hau and you have both of them

[copper otter]

Your best bet @neat burrow is summer gardenia/Morty/Colress

And only use summer gardenia if she is caked

If not caked, switch her with Fall Iono

.....gdi, sorry Eppi, i meant @worthy pike

[neat burrow]

All good 😂 I knew it was for him

[vapid kernel]

Thats the 1st sync after two EX syncs

[neat burrow]

My current scores

Trying to bump them a bit I think I can squeeze more from Hau

[worthy pike]

Why Colress?

[icy pendant]

you need a spammer

[neat burrow]

Twave spam/def drops

[old valve]

Oh hey 2m

That's fun

Now do I grab Hugh or Blue with my training tickets...?

[copper otter]

Colress can lower defense for sync move damage output and can spam thunder wave

Morty does need to be EXed, but you can get 1 mil that way

[worthy pike]

I could do with some advice for Rock,as well...

[icy pendant]

your only option is gordie

nonex can still hit 750k

[vapid kernel]

U can go higher, one more sync

[icy pendant]

nobody else does nearly enough damage (also you should be filtering by sync move type, not move type)

[worthy pike]

To be fair, I don't think that many pairs have a Sync move of a different type to all of their standard moves...

[icy pendant]

there are 9 in that screenshot alone

[worthy pike]

Some have moves of different types, but they still have some moves that do match.

[icy pendant]

for DC you should only be sync rushing though

[worthy pike]

It doesn't hide any options to show the less restrictive search's results, to my understanding. I wasn't suggesting that every pair there would fit perfectly...

[icy pendant]

you search by the sync pair type, that's how you do it

the three exceptions being the Kalos NCs and base Gladion, but base Gladion just never gets used in this mode

[thin wren]

sync rushing should be a word in the glossary if it isn't one already ngl

[fluid anvil]

SC selene wasnt scoring the highest in the last Steel 3v3, but does AS steven boost her now ?
if Gloria doesnt get Field EX - SC Selene + AS Steven is the only steel team that can have both AoE rebuffs and zone and an AoE sync (and still a slot for a status spammer)
Would that put her above SS Lear/Gloria?

[cloud timber]

mega penalty without attack buff to compensate sucks

still hard to say anything for sure without running the calcs

lear's circle boost and passives let that function as a zone but idk what that turns out to be in total

[vernal condor]

she didnt even get 2m

so x1.5 wouldnt even bring her to 3m

[fluid anvil]

SAD chicken noises

[safe prawn]

Poppy will still be above bc she can spam herself

But we did not have SSLear last time so we’ll see

[true locust]

Im wait for hop dc 😁 need set my new record

[vapid kernel]

ya well both are sprint strike but Lear is MF hehe

poppy thorton and steven sounds like a super good team though

[vernal condor]

actually poppy is strike sprint, which is worse

she just has haymaker and no innate

[safe prawn]

Sprint strike >>> strike sprint

Like tech strike >>>> strike tech

[vernal condor]

(and well, big bonk, but not as good in a 3v3 setting)

[vapid kernel]

o hright

[vapid kernel]

Im doing Steel 3v1 calcs and i found that EXR Raihan at 3/5 is better at Steven at 3/5

by a slight margin

[vapid kernel]

for some reason my rank was unchanged throughout the even

Rank 479

Did no one get a score above 4M after Day 1

[scenic grotto]

Imagine a high score event stage where the condition is “sync moves deal 80% less damage”
Forcing people to make DPS builds

[icy pendant]

they've already done that

[plush palm]

they did that w/ dragon

[scenic grotto]

Oh yeah, my bad

[plush palm]

and we all ran ss cynthia or ss serena teams

[vapid kernel]

they should do that more often

[plush palm]

please dont

[scenic grotto]

Agreed

[vapid kernel]

Please dont... make this game a boring spam click admin task

[scenic grotto]

I agree with Shibi I mean

[plush palm]

i mean

I already try to torture myself in thsi game so the fun is already half gone

[vapid kernel]

The most fun ive had in DC was in teams where i was supposed to use other moves than Sing

like using Bianca to flinch or Rei 3v1

actually the 1st time when i did Psychic 3v1 with AoE Sing + Lusamine spam was also really fun

[copper otter]

I do enjoy DC when i'm not using Chase/Melony/NCBlue

[scenic grotto]

I only used Larry for DC once or twice ^^;
Melony, BP Barry, Colress, NC Blue, and Redlax have been too consistent to use many other support based units

[pallid girder]

Giacomo has the equivalent Bmove of SS Gladion but with stronger sync dmg, so maybe he can be another "no sapm but highest score" dmg dealer for his type?

[rain copper]

Reactive passive sucks but we will see

[long silo]

My most fun in DC was DPS Spam Rei during 3v1 because I do not have Hop

Sync sequence was SSA Cynthia > Rei > SSA Cynthia

That somehow got me to 1m

[thin wren]

no, nc nate was by far the best

[plush palm]

ok fair

[thin wren]

funnily enough, the dps and the sync comps for dragon were the exact same iirc

[plush palm]

most of us dont have nate tho

[thin wren]

Smth should have had 5/5 nc Nate

[long silo]

I'm still waiting for his rerun myself

[thin wren]

probably the only type where giving sync damage reduction won't change the comps

[plush palm]

bianca was far more popular among the LG crowd

[thin wren]

Bianca ran alongside cheren

nc rosa was the one who ran alongside Nate

[plush palm]

Whoops

nc rosa i mean

girl solos most LG bosses

[thin wren]

doesn't she solo all but 1 lg

[plush palm]

yep

[thin wren]

nc rosa also being good in dc is hilarious

[plush palm]

def the more useful of the 2 in most situations

[thin wren]

she's great in every mode

[plush palm]

wish i had her

[thin wren]

should have gotten her twice before pity

nc Nate also came to me twice but on the second multi so I actually had enough gems to get her

[latent plover]

NC Bianca has a lot of use in DC as well, especially when the main damage dealer is physical or from Unova

[thin wren]

any DD from unova works I think. Not limited to special

[latent plover]

Bianca works better with physical units because she can lower defense

[torpid wigeon]

am I able to go much over 1.1m with gordie/aaron/sc scteven vs barry or should I just leave it there? don't have ss steven/oleana and my ss diantha is 1/5 so that's definitely my best team

[thin wren]

ah is defense destroyer only defense

[cloud timber]

if we had dark equivalents of ss wally and penny giacomo could do even better than gladion but it doesn't seem like we have that currently

[plush palm]

weirdly enough sc diantha uses def for her dmg calcs too

bc sacred sword

murders blisseys in the OG game

[pallid girder]

I mean he doesn't need to do better than SS Gladion. He just need to be better than NC Marnie (3.5M) and tbh it's not a high bar in 3v3 standard.

[cloud timber]

yep

my dark pool is basically just ss cyrus so i can't tell too much hehe

[edgy horizon]

any psychic damage challenge for 1 star EX LEAR? or mewtwo, both wont be more than 500k?

[thin wren]

I might actually have the optimal comp for dark dc this time around if nc marnie ends up being optimal

I have chase nc Marnie and darkrai

[long silo]

If I get Darkrai to 3/5 I can try that comp

[thin wren]

I have the optimal comps for so many old dcs now

[torpid wigeon]

Update I got absolutely mad rng

I will die before I reset the ghost one and that is the absolute peak without using tech candies on my diantha so I can look into the fire one potentially

[lethal siren]

Fairy is light pink
Psychic is little dark pink

[torpid wigeon]

Actually I don't think I could really push it further without either higher move level leaf for that last sync node (no thanks) or trying to get better skill gear and then recreating the rng I already got so meh I think I'll call that there it's satisfying just pushing 7.2

Would consider it if I didn't have to invest stuff but already put 2 candies into renegade and used my luck for the year pulling iono first pair of first multi 💀

67th rn here are comps for anyone interested

[feral hamlet]

I can do the same teams but definitely won't even get half of what you have

Seems Gordie is the way to go for the last one? I have SS Diantha and NC Silver, but I guess those aren't the winning units here?

[torpid wigeon]

I know diantha can push higher but mine is 1/5

Gordie is 2nd best

& ik you can use oleana or ss steven instead of aaron for sync spamming but I don't have either but tbf I think with the run I got it wouldn't have mattered

[feral hamlet]

I'd like to push that one further since it needs the most work

[rain copper]

iirc SS Diantha needs SC Steven to break 1m

[torpid wigeon]

Ah that makes sense

I got 3 30% mprs in a row on SEUN in my gordie run

Granted the 3rd one literally gave me +30k damage but it's still technically a micro optimisation lmao

[feral hamlet]

Oh, instead of Jasmine on the team. I can try that

I don't get it

[torpid wigeon]

Watch a video of someone doing the same team - you wanna not use aaron's tms and just spam defense order because once he's +6 it works the same as sing on a paralysed opp

[rain copper]

Correct

[torpid wigeon]

Idk how different diantha is but I assume you don't even really wanna click her b move

[long silo]

Only on the very last second

[torpid wigeon]

Yes true

[feral hamlet]

More things went right. But I don't see a way up from here. Still better than before at least

[torpid wigeon]

Apart from exceptions like lowering necessary stats in gordie's case you don't really wanna ever click a dps move unless you have <15 sec left after your last sync

[feral hamlet]

Yeah I've noticed

[torpid wigeon]

That's a good improvement! I think it is just mostly about learning the procedure, watching videos of people doing well etc and trying to follow successful strategies closely then eventually you'll just know basically what to do each time

[rain copper]

Did you copy the exact grids in the example clear

[torpid wigeon]

Yeah that's a big thing too, usually your supports want a super barebones grid as picking up anything non-essential just wastes time when it activates

And you can get every sync power and nuke node and ignore dps nodes to take stuff like extra stats or speed/gauge accel on your damage dealer

[feral hamlet]

Oh I just used the grid I already had on Diantha

[torpid wigeon]

Tbf that's not too different from what I assume is optimal but for example dropping tough cookie and mpr you can pick up lithic accel (I had big gauge problems with gordie) + the extra sync node + the extra attack on the left

Which is just free damage + gauge

There's loads of tiny optimisations but once you learn the general strategy and everything to consider for each event it becomes easy to set up then it's just resetting battles for rng

It all adds up though - with setup changes and using the right moves you can literally over double the damage you did

[feral hamlet]

Yeah I'll take it. Maybe even depending on RNG rolls it could go higher but I'm good now

[old valve]

Still tryna figure out how to get an extra sync in and I have no idea what I'd want to do to accomplish that

I figure I'd have to get rid of the Cosmic Power I used before first sync, but I'm not sure what to replace it with that won't take too long...

(NC Blue NC Rosa SS Steven comp, all 3/5+ all EXR'd, can't use sing before first sync becuase of the psychic rebuff application mechanics)

Do I just fish for an mpr on blue's speed? Maybe??

[pastel bone]

Finally

[vapid kernel]

First nc blue move flinch + paralyse 1 is the only thing u need