Damage Challenge

[lofty stirrup]

Bluedos and melony for lucas?

[thin wren]

try with nate 3 sync buffs

[thin wren]

no , v Lance and Melony

[lofty stirrup]

Will do, give me all your requirements first

[thin wren]

and Lucas 4

[crude sandal]

V. Lance and NC Rosa

[thin wren]

Lucas has seun, dragon zone,-1 rebuff, max speed and special attack and 4 sync buffs

I am comparing their damage from their second sync to make it fair because Lucas has support exr

[thin wren]

oh right he can afford nc rosa

well doesn't change the calcs much

[lofty stirrup]

@thin wren any pmun or smun requests?

[thin wren]

keep them both 0. At the end Nate can have a 7-8 sync buffed up 10 pmun b move calced

[crude sandal]

Like I said, if Redlax was 5/5, then you can afford TM: Mighty Friend 9

Then maybe Nate will have 10 PMUN stacks

[thin wren]

Pretty sure Bianca still makes the total multipliers higher for Nate and Nate already gets to 10 pmun with Bianca

[crude sandal]

Question is, how will you sync spam with BiaNCa?

[thin wren]

you go colress

[crude sandal]

Colress/NC Bianca/Lucas?

[thin wren]

I am talking about Nate

Lucas runs v Lance nc Rosa

[crude sandal]

Does Bianca flinch or not?

[thin wren]

he already does with Bianca, 1 from her circle ,2 from his circle, 2 from his passive that triggers on tm and 5 from syncs

[thin wren]

staggering 4 yeh

Bianca offers the same total multiplier as redlax iirx

[crude sandal]

That would kinda make them gain gauges right? IMO, flinch is bad in 3v1 as opposed to 3v3

[thin wren]

*iirc

[thin wren]

You don't click her attack

she's just there to circle

ya all can check my setup if ya all want but Lucas gets a lot more for me

I don't think nate beats Lucas in st

[lofty stirrup]

@thin wren

Lance + lucas + melony. No smuns. 4 sync buffs.

Lance + nate + bianca. No pmuns. 3 sync buffs

Dps is more than 3x

[crude sandal]

Isn't Bianca's circle +20% sync damage with full Unova team?

[thin wren]

is rebuff switched on?

[thin wren]

+20% and then her passive and she also buffs nate's circle so +50%

[lofty stirrup]

Passive buffs sync by 20% no matter the team comp. Circle in full unova comp boosts 1.2x. Only 2 unova means 1.15x. Only bianca means 1.1x

[thin wren]

that's the exact numbers I get without rebuff on

[lofty stirrup]

Rebuff is on for both

You might be using something

Like seun?

[thin wren]

why is rebuff on for nate?

[lofty stirrup]

Lance

Can be used for him too

[thin wren]

Lucas has seun

[thin wren]

where sync spam?

Lance can't sync spam btw

[lofty stirrup]

Where?

[crude sandal]

Who debuffs defense anyways on that team?

[crude sandal]

Super Command 4

[lofty stirrup]

? Lance is only for t.wave spam and rebuff

[crude sandal]

In grid

[thin wren]

then who sync spams

[lofty stirrup]

Even if we include that for lucas, the dps difference is so high that lucas comp will inevitably lose to the nate comp

[lofty stirrup]

Lucas or nate

[thin wren]

nate comp

yeah idk about the dps difference being enough considering the sync difference

it's like almost double the difference

[crude sandal]

Hmmmm, I'll admit, NC Bianca and Colress is stronger for Nate. However, Redlax and NC Rosa will still be on top because of what they provide

[thin wren]

What do they provide?

[crude sandal]

2x sprint EXR, Red with SEUN, stalling of dragon zone usage because of being 2 support EX

[thin wren]

biaNCa comp provides more damage and more pmun for the end

[lofty stirrup]

Want me to include pmuns?

[thin wren]

I included pmuns.

[crude sandal]

Also Redlax enables Sing spam for Rosa

[thin wren]

are you thinking about syncing with rosa?then there's no difference in syncs

[crude sandal]

Not unless para proc comes into play

[thin wren]

hmmm para is a fair point but colress comp also has that

[crude sandal]

And evasion miss too

[thin wren]

Bianca comp has evasion as well

[crude sandal]

Bianca needs to attack

How many times does she attack?

[thin wren]

you only need para or eva to stop the enemy from wasting anim

so colress can stop as many attacks as nc rosa redlax comp

[thin wren]

do your calcs with Lucas seun and for Nate's b move, buff his sync buffs to 8 and give him 10 pmun for final b move. Also idt your comp is viable without sync spammer so replace Lance with colress, remove the rebuff and give enemy -6 defenses

[lofty stirrup]

How many sync buffs do you want on them lol

[thin wren]

I am assuming Nate only b moves once at the end

[pallid girder]

VLance's twave spam might work in Nate's comp ONLY IF Nate spams bmove every sync cycle, but you get less sync this way.

[thin wren]

so to properly calc his b move damage we should consider how many sync buffs he will have at the end

[lofty stirrup]

Your mentioned comp has an advantage of sprint ex with seun spam so could be worth it

[thin wren]

also less pmun stack

rosa essentially negates the extra sync advantage of sing

and the comp has less overall multipliers

[crude sandal]

For NC Rosa/Redlax strat, Red must first paralyze the enemy to prevent Rosa's B Move from sleeping them. Rosa uses her Sing to spam and to prevent Entrancing Melody to trigger with her B Move, then uses her B Move to change into Pirouette form. Then she syncs first to switch back to Aria form to Sing spam

[lofty stirrup]

Lucas's seun chance is 50% its too much to ask to proc twice. Lets not forget the animation cost of using 3 tm's not including dragon wish

[thin wren]

that b move still takes like more than 10 seconds

[lofty stirrup]

Rosa's bmove is absolutely not worth using in DC

[thin wren]

nothing is too much to ask for in dc rng. You also grab his regular tm mpr

[lofty stirrup]

Unless you NEED form change

[lofty stirrup]

So, how many times will you even spam tms and rot?

[crude sandal]

Well, you'd need para luck on the first move anyways

For what I'm doing

[thin wren]

everytime before sync and trigger seun

[lofty stirrup]

You wanna sync ramp with lucas team?

[crude sandal]

Para luck will make up for the lost time from the B Move

[thin wren]

hmmm that could work but Lucas still has a stronger nuke

[crude sandal]

Maybe 2 times to fully make it up

[thin wren]

ofc, melony is there to sync ramp

[crude sandal]

And then you pray for evasion on Rosa's B Move

[lofty stirrup]

So you want to spam his tms before every sync? You are not getting seun everytime. Best you could do is 2 out of 3(66%)

[thin wren]

is getting seun a 0% chance?

[lofty stirrup]

Lol

[thin wren]

As long as it's not 0% accurate

it can happen 100% of the time

it's all about rng

[lofty stirrup]

Lol

[crude sandal]

Since my strat revolves around the early game, mine is less time-wasting

[lofty stirrup]

Nate's comp can ramp btw

[thin wren]

@crude sandal are you arguing for that being the best Nate team or Nate being better than Lucas in the dc

[crude sandal]

Both actually

[thin wren]

Lance t wave spam with 0 speed buffs is not gonna be fast enough

[crude sandal]

Rosa is there anyways

[thin wren]

wanna do calcs like we did a few days ago?

[crude sandal]

Sure

[thin wren]

I am talking about Mahesh's comp

[crude sandal]

Ok

[thin wren]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=011100014800&s0=5&l0=140&r0=5&p0=0&a0=0&t0=4444&g0=&v1=016200048300&s1=5&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016403&t1=44444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFGB0fIyUnKSwuLzM&v2=025500013100&s2=5&l2=140&r2=5&p2=0&a2=0&t2=44444&g2=

How many sync buffs should I go to with this comp?

[lofty stirrup]

So in order to proc seun, you are gonna use lucas's tms every time and not to mention no ramping. I'm not seeing a better output from lucas's team(i have 5/5 for pete's sake)

[crude sandal]

Less than 7 since you have no speed buffs

[thin wren]

@crude sandal actually, how many sync buffs do you predict for your comp. I can test it for you if you want

[crude sandal]

I predict 10 or 11

If luck goes your way, maybe 12

[lofty stirrup]

Aren't we using lance for both lucas and nate comps? Plus, bianca has speed buffs if we want to equalise the animation times between lucas's tm spam vs bianca's moves twice

[crude sandal]

9 I know is a definite

[thin wren]

Lucas buffs his speed so I think 9 sync buffs is possible

[crude sandal]

Only for himself

[thin wren]

do we go 9 for now?

[crude sandal]

Yes

[thin wren]

it's still speed

[thin wren]

no, Lucas has redlax rosa

[lofty stirrup]

Am I missing something? Why are speed buffs necessary to sync spam?

[thin wren]

also pretty sure Bianca speed buffs are only when she moves

[lofty stirrup]

Buddy I have been spamming calcs to you with lance all this time

[thin wren]

Lance has no charging infliction so he loses gauge every t wave

[crude sandal]

Speed buff is necessary for Sing spam strat

[thin wren]

I mentioned the comps multiple times earlier to avoid that lmao

[lofty stirrup]

[thin wren]

especially if someone is trying to do Lance t wave spam

[crude sandal]

Are we gonna start the calc wars now?

[thin wren]

First Lucas sync will have 2 sync buffs then I will jump to 4 @crude sandal . What about you

yeh

[crude sandal]

Directly to 4

[copper otter]

Chat, i'm goingvto be using AnniRaihan this Tuesday, think he'll do ok if i do sun?

[thin wren]

We assume max damage and add them all up at the end to avoid needing to calculate the average of each range

[crude sandal]

If you have 2 support EX units, then maybe

[crude sandal]

Ok

[copper otter]

Hmm

Chase and melony then

[thin wren]

So how many Nate syncs do you think you get in ?5?

I am gonna assume 6 Lucas syncs

[crude sandal]

Minimally 5, maybe 6 or 7 if enemy doesn't do a move

[thin wren]

K let's go

[crude sandal]

9 sync buffs for our comps right?

[thin wren]

Yes

[crude sandal]

Then 10 sync buffs for the finishing moves

[thin wren]

oh btw get a 10 sync buff b move with 10 pmun for your comp st the end @crude sandal

[crude sandal]

Ok

[pallid girder]

If you're gonna gamble on Super Command 4 Red is redundant here.

[lofty stirrup]

Why are we not considering sc.steven?

[thin wren]

oops mistype

[thin wren]

meant nate has redlax and rosa

[lofty stirrup]

Buddy, you are confusing me. I said nate is with bianca

[thin wren]

for Lucas v Lance is enough

[thick holly]

super command 4 ?

Is that a node on ss red ?

[lofty stirrup]

[thin wren]

later me and caster decided that redlax and rosa are better for nate

assuming perfect rng

[crude sandal]

4 sync buffs: 234,323
5 sync buffs: 273,377
6 sync buffs: 312,431
7 sync buffs: 351,485
8 sync buffs: 390,539
9 sync buffs: 429,592

Total: 1,991,747

[thin wren]

Quick

[lofty stirrup]

Heck, I'm gonna use sc.steven + nate + bianca

Nvm

[crude sandal]

B Move (10 sync buffs, SEUN, circle, 10 PMUN stacks and dragon zone active): 687,589

Final Total: 2,679,336

[thin wren]

2:222496
4:333745
5:389369
6:444993
7:500618
8:556242
9:611866
10 roar:78313

[crude sandal]

Total?

[thin wren]

total:3,137,642

[thin wren]

gap is smaller than I expected ngl

[crude sandal]

Huh

[lofty stirrup]

4 sync buffs lucas with seun
3 sync buffs nate with no pmuns

Both have dragon rebuff

Note:- lucas's dps also includes seun here. Nate has no pmuns

Lucas's sync + dps = 65M
Nate's sync + dps = 53M

This is a lowball for nate considering he can sync ramp + lucas's seun rate, nate's pmun stacks etc

[thin wren]

Ofc this is assuming perfect rng and max rolls so neither Lucas nor nate will get that high but it's still a good score

[thin wren]

damn, that final b move

[crude sandal]

I'm assuming your calcs has Lucas triggering Super Command

[thin wren]

so what's your nate comp?

[thin wren]

Yes ofc

[fluid anvil]

these numbers seem way too high
Lucas + nc blue + melony got 1.7M on dragon 3v3 with 7 syncs (using super command 4 too). The new suport role will boost it by a bit, but neither is getting close to 3M
3v1 isnt much different, it will still be 7 syncs total, not 8

[crude sandal]

So, what did you grid for TM MPR?

[thin wren]

and also triggering tm mpr

[crude sandal]

X Speed+ or Dragon Wish?

Or his own TM?

[thin wren]

pretty sure Lance buff is a good bit more than Blue buff and I think skipping didn't reset for perfect rng. Plus keep in mind that we are assuming max rolls to make the process easier

[thin wren]

oh right he has x speed+

[crude sandal]

Well, he also has Dragon Wish too

[fluid anvil]

v.lance doesnt have support ex and blue does -2 spdef, which is ~16% boost

[thin wren]

well x speed+ is used early so I am assuming his tm refreshes everytime yeh

[crude sandal]

And don't forget the time wasted on the summoning of the dragon zone

[thin wren]

melony + Lucas make the support buffs equal. You can check the comp yourself. I sent the link earlier

[thin wren]

yk what. Take out the 9 sync buff sync from my calc

[lofty stirrup]

Lance, bianca for nate
Redlax just to maintain consistency for seun, rosa for lucas

[crude sandal]

2,525,776

[thin wren]

.....that comp won't be able to get enough syncs yk

[fluid anvil]

also blue is good because he maxes out Lucas stats so you can actually save the TMs for later. With v.lance you have to actually use TMs to buff yourself before syncs

[thin wren]

yeah this seems more accurate

you don't need to save tm

he has mpr

Nate will probably be better if you don't wanna experience rng hell

[normal parcel]

With Nate + bianca you want a 3rd unova

[crude sandal]

Does your Lucas have Soften Up gridded in your build?

[thin wren]

that's why caster did rosa redlax

[normal parcel]

Yes I mean for Nate + bianca comp

[thin wren]

no, not enough energy left. Lucas will be better at perfect rng only lmao

[normal parcel]

Too bad bianca can't status

[crude sandal]

So too will Nate

[thin wren]

ehhh

Nate has less rng

[crude sandal]

Less RNG because it's at the beginning

[thin wren]

sure crit syncs and no need to pray for refreshes and super command procs. Just some para procs required

[crude sandal]

Para and/or evasion

[thin wren]

Lucas has 80% sync, needs to pray for tm mpr and super command proc and para everything to get enough sync buffs to beat Nate

their rng isn't even close

[pallid girder]

He can't even pick it w +10 energy?

[willow flume]

Whats a good setup for current dc?

[crude sandal]

You'd have to sacrifice a sync move node

[cursive linden]

What should be NC Nate's team? my Lucas is only 1/5

[thin wren]

@fluid anvil you can look at the comp links if you wanna check out the calcs

[crude sandal]

NC Rosa and Redlax

[thin wren]

you would need to sacrifice sync node

[cursive linden]

I don't have redlax

[thin wren]

Stoutland?

[cursive linden]

I do

1/5

[thin wren]

sc Steven stoutland

[cursive linden]

No intention of candying

[thin wren]

hmmmm 1/5 is a bit tricky...

but should be enough for 1 mil

I am gonna go redlax Nate Rosa lol

[cursive linden]

Should Colress/NC Bianca good?

[thin wren]

and then try to see how much I can push iris so she's not a joke

[thin wren]

yeh

especially if you don't wanna rng reset

[cursive linden]

Like

[pallid girder]

Also there's no mad man try Mix Blue's TM refresh every sync yet. The 3.1M clear only refresh it once.

[cursive linden]

Oof, i think i'll fear the dual circle animation

[thin wren]

@crude sandal so the agreement is that Lucas is better at absolutely perfect rng(that happens throughout the run). ?Nate has a lower peak but lot less rng

[cursive linden]

Do i have to use both circle or just one?

1.2x from defense and another 1.2x from NC Bianca's passive is very nice

[thin wren]

Lucas high score will require a madman so nc Nate might get the highest in st as well lmao

Bianca needs to reapply circle once iirc?

Nate will need twice tho

[cursive linden]

Alright

[thin wren]

dragon st is gonna be hilarious

Just curious but is anyone enough of a madman to be willing to try to get the perfect Lucas run here?

I don't have Lucas so I can't do that unfortunately

[fluid anvil]

dragon 3v1 uses X Sp. Def All (Uses 1)
unlucky for lucas

[thin wren]

he doesn't debuff sp def anyways right?

[fluid anvil]

ncblue and chase do

[cursive linden]

Chase

Bleeding

[thin wren]

without max damage rolls Nate highest should be 2.1-2.3 mil @fluid anvil

[cursive linden]

What does shauna has? Goodra?

[thin wren]

yeah another reason blue won't be optimal here

Yes

[cursive linden]

So surf AoE?

[thin wren]

surf ain't that long

[cursive linden]

[fluid anvil]

yes blues spdef debuff will be erased, chase it is

[thin wren]

Lucas could be in the 2.5 mils or higher but that requires basically perfect rng. (A lot worse than ss glad rng)

[cursive linden]

Chase needs 5/5 for Sp. Def drop 😭

[fluid anvil]

Сhase only needs 3/5 for extended circle

[thin wren]

doesn't Chase only give 1.2x vs Lance 1.3x?

[crude sandal]

Wait a minute, if you remove the 9th sync buff, then your Roar of Time should've dealt less damage too

[thin wren]

lemme calc 9 sync buff roar of time

71787!

[fluid anvil]

Chase has SuppEX, sprint role and lots of speed buffs + evasion (and some SMUN for that last RoT)
plus i dont have v.lance anyway

[thin wren]

oops accidentally added the !

[thin wren]

fair reason

[thin wren]

the difference ain't too big .
71787

[crude sandal]

2,519,250

Also Rosa can use her B Move with para proc units if the para actually procs

Like Colress or Redlax and maybe SSA Cynthia

[thin wren]

still less rng than Lucas

[crude sandal]

So I barely won

[long silo]

Btw. Did anyone do NY Wallace run

[crude sandal]

Scroll up

I think Linkable has a pic?

[thin wren]

assuming there's no one mad enough to try to get the 9 sync buff

[pallid girder]

2M at most, iirc.

[thin wren]

highest I saw was 2 mil yeh

[long silo]

Ah okay

[crude sandal]

Like I said, 9 sync buffs is definitely possible without para procs or misses

[long silo]

I've seen a lot here but did not see any NY Wallace

[thin wren]

I am talking about Lucas

Nate 9 is definitely possible without that much rng

[crude sandal]

Nate's B Move was the real MVP

[thin wren]

Lucas requires 9 sync buff to get more but..... that requires so much para rng with the already massive Lucas mpr rng

[cursive linden]

Does he need to spam his b move or nah?

[crude sandal]

Waste of time

[thin wren]

so I didn't count it because I don't think anyone is mad enough to do it?

[cursive linden]

Oh ok

[thin wren]

only click at the end for 600k

[pallid girder]

Prob use it twice at most.

[crude sandal]

And you need to use Redlax's TM almost twice as much if you're gonna do that

[thin wren]

once

[cursive linden]

Ah, final countdown it is

[thin wren]

twice is too much pmun wasted

[crude sandal]

Nate also has para RNG

[thin wren]

watch a random jp be mad enough to reset for that Lucas rng

[cursive linden]

Huh, NC Nate doesn't need Soften Up

[thin wren]

Lucas has more para rng, sync crit rng and mpr rng

[crude sandal]

Skinny:

[cursive linden]

Yeah, he is very RNG-friendly huh

[thin wren]

he has sure crit which is better

[thin wren]

Gonna be hilarious if we ever get a param less dragon st in ranked

resetting for that 400k advantage

[crude sandal]

So, while the other people are downplaying Nate, I've already proven he's best here in both 3v1 and 3v3

[thin wren]

I assume you are going to go redlax , nc rosa and Nate as well for the next dc?

[crude sandal]

Yes, but I don't have the move levels, but I should still score high nonetheless

[cursive linden]

Nate's no longer a meme

I'm so fucking proud of him

[thin wren]

he's technically the second best in st but no one is gonna reset for that Lucas rng unless they are mad so he's basically the first yeh

[thin wren]

his nc alt was genuinely good. It's just that the other post 4th Anni mfs have been something else

[pallid girder]

Well stubborn ppl will say dc is not everything.

[crude sandal]

People downplayed Nate because of Scale Shot

Which is understandable

[thin wren]

@lofty stirrup good news, Nate is gonna be the best assuming no one is insane enough to reset for perfect Lucas rng

[thin wren]

nc nate is great outside dc....

[crude sandal]

I mean, people will also try to reset for perfect Nate RNG

So yeah...

[thin wren]

that's definitely a fair criticism lmao

you do realise the MASSIVE rng difference between the 2 right?

Nate only resets for para

[fluid anvil]

Nate is good in CS (eh) and DC, havent seen him in much else

[crude sandal]

He needs to reset for para at the beginning multiple times

To make up for NC Rosa's B Move

[thin wren]

He has cleared most ubs(only Nita isn't done)

[pallid girder]

Well if you've seen pre dragon 3v3 when ppl were not even believing Nate would be the best you know what I mean.

[cursive linden]

I want him to be insane in HSE, but let's just wait for that

[thin wren]

hse he's gonna be goated

lg he's not garbage at least

[thin wren]

those people were probably joking

[crude sandal]

So, are you winning Nate fans?

[thin wren]

Nate is a very good unit in bursts

[thin wren]

yeh

[cursive linden]

Yes

[thin wren]

unfortunately Nate suffers from falling off hard as the battle lasts longer

dc is the perfect mode for him

[fluid anvil]

you can clear most UBs with 1 pair as long as its all different teams since there are usually 2 perfect ontype pairs for each UB that can carry nearly anyone.
Thats why 1 unchanged team clearing most/all UBs is so impressive

[thin wren]

still nate is pretty good

it's just that he's not insane

[crude sandal]

His B Move is the only thing insane about him

[lofty stirrup]

Well....i knew it bcuz I was lowballing him....didn't you say "as long as its not 0% then lucas's seun spam could also be 100%"? I thought you were insane enough to try that lol. What made you change your perspective?

[thin wren]

I don't have Lucas.

so I realised that there probably won't be someone madman enough to do it.

[lofty stirrup]

Untrue. I tried to spam 5/5 lucas. He is a pain to use in ubs

Ubs still need a respectable level of output

[pallid girder]

Poppy feels more like specifically made for dc in mind, with twave weirdly on a striker.

[lofty stirrup]

Could be

Didnt they come out in the same month?

[fluid anvil]

well I never claimed that Lucas is some UB beast either .. honestly the debuff dragon pairs probably have the most value in UBs (BT leon ?), but none of the current Dragons are that great there overall

[lofty stirrup]

I've only seen noland ub clear with nate + leon comp

[fluid anvil]

Dragon has great DC scores (thanks to Nate mostly), but outside of that its fallen quite a lot behind many other types in power/meta

[lofty stirrup]

Nate often runs with other physical units that can check gimmicks

[pallid girder]

Poppy was released in May; DC was released in late July.

[fluid anvil]

2.5 years ago when SS Serena came out - she + Lucas was probably the best team in the game
but since then Dragon has only really gotten NC Nate, while other types powered-up massively

[lofty stirrup]

Its actually the reverse in ubs. You preserve the circle uses in ubs. Beginning will be slow but after that the dmg boost will be great especially thanks to circle boosting the partner too

[lofty stirrup]

Yeah dragon needs a buff. Well ice type changed in like 7 months so there's hope

[lofty stirrup]

Its actually his nuke that's most impressive

[pallid girder]

SS Brendan, VLance, PMallow, AltLeon - here's are the dragon pairs between Zerena and NCNate.
I think they're all good units but can't really make a cohesive team to let dragon type feel broken.

[lofty stirrup]

Why arent we considering ss serena for dragon DC?

Bcuz its ST?

[fluid anvil]

she wont crack 1M in 3v1

[ivory kestrel]

Got 3M with this comp

[lethal siren]

What how

[fluid anvil]

tbh V. Lance himself can be used as the main nuker too instead of Lucas
he should even be able to hit 1.5M+

[ivory kestrel]

SS Hilda is 4/5, ex’d and caked. Ditched Scorching Sync to get all 4 sync bp tiles. Sync rushed using para. 2 leers + 3 screech

[fluid anvil]

Lucas/Nc Nate > V.Lance > BT leon/C.iris >> rest

[pallid girder]

I can't rmb the 1.8M team of Zerena was using sing spam or not

If she's already using sing but capped at 1.8M. then she's almost certainly not gonna do 1M in 3v1.

[thin wren]

a striker being "optimal " in st dc is always funny

[fluid anvil]

The highest I saw for her was 1.8M screenshot and of course that was with sing spam already (and caked). Probbaly nc blue or maybe ss brendan
She cant get 1M in 3v1

[thin wren]

Lucas perfect rng has a pretty big gap over nate.. The issue is that there's so much rng that I don't think any sane person will attempt maximum Lucas and I don't have Lucas so I can't do the insane rng myself

[pallid girder]

Strikers do 1M in ST isn't rare; prob would be the best choice is a first tho.

[thin wren]

over 2 mil is a first right?

[hidden junco]

Leon is inferior to both Nate and Serena for UBs

The problem is mostly on the enablers, so the best abusers are still going to perform the best

[thin wren]

oops misclick

[pallid girder]

Yes all strikers didn't break 1.5M in ST.

[hidden junco]

We'll probably see that on Ice and Electric as well

[fluid anvil]

SS gladion got 6M in 3v3, so he should be able to do 2M in 3v1
Ash should be able to do 2M in 3v1
not really sure about NC Red. I guess maybe because of the last SMUN stacked B-move he could reach 2M, we'll see

[lofty stirrup]

How about 3v1?

[hollow whale]

Eww single dragon

Uhh

[lofty stirrup]

Also, dragon type's sudden change from special to physical also makes these units kinda hard to use with nate

[hollow whale]

1/5 Alt Leon and Lucas LMAO

Yard I’m screwed

[lofty stirrup]

We need baxcalibur or druddigon(preferably) to hit massive dragon dps alongside nate

[pallid girder]

Most dragon types are competing with each others rather than having synergy together.

[lofty stirrup]

Latios, zerena and lucas kinda have good synergy

[thin wren]

lore accurate

[pallid girder]

F2P we can rely on Ryuki when he joins ticket pool. Super easy sync multipliers.

Drasna is kinda messed up by being a dragon tech too with worst multiplier (poison).

[copper otter]

I need to see Ryuki gameplay, i have him 3/5 now, but never seen him outside of funni shell trap

[hollow whale]

0/5 here

[pallid girder]

Someone used him to hit 1M in 3v3.

[warped gulch]

Ryuki should be the best “f2p”

[thin wren]

wait I have him 3/5?

wth

when

[warped gulch]

But if we dont count him and Drasna as f2p, ST Dragon really bad for f2p

[pallid girder]

Drasna really should be poison tech. I don't care she's dragon specialist. We need more diverse genpool presentation.

[warped gulch]

Cant wait to try Lisia nuke for f2p

[thin wren]

is pool updating before dragon st ends

[pallid girder]

We also has DC Wally. Sprint is tech in disguise.

[warped gulch]

Not 3/5

1/5 ? Maybe

But not 3/5

Like for ST Dark, i definitely use DC Marnie for f2p

1/5 at least for Dark Zone

[pallid girder]

Yes DC Nemona helped Gordie hit 1M even at 1/5.

[lethal siren]

I have 2/5 ryuki

Only place I can expect him to appear is tmr Poma day or ticket scout

[pallid girder]

Didn't the ticket pool update the same date as anni?

[lethal siren]

Yes

[pallid girder]

Dragon st is exactly the anni week. Ppl assume we'd get a powerful dragon tech bc of this reason.

[hidden junco]

DC tends to not align with banners

If anything, I would expect some Dragon more so due to CS (which also has been less reliable) and Lance

[pallid girder]

We had SSNemona, but funnily not perform better than existing fairy roster.

[fluid anvil]

we are getting champ trio anni so Lance-Dragonite
confirmed by CS week, by Dragon/Ground HSE, by the last 3 story chapters and by me

[true locust]

We get 1/2 dragon units on ani yes

But not lance

[glossy token]

ok made it to ~620kish w/ 4/5 exr red

[hidden junco]

What's your roster again?

I assume you lack SS Morty

[glossy token]

yeah

my solarize units are silver and lyra, i have gordie, blaine, and sygna erika as sun setters

[pallid girder]

Silver no EX and powerboost?

[glossy token]

was using sync thinker 9 + haymaker for syncs + one big heat wave at the end

nope

so far my power boost legendaries are m2 (from way back when), zinnia and cyrus from having been back

[glossy token]

i can screencap my fires in a sec; is there any good way to search that would show you other useful units or is text prob best?

[hidden junco]

You shouldn't use Heat Wave

Blast Burn is stronger

Unless you don't have the gauge for Blast Burn

[glossy token]

the 3x on the smun stack isnt better than bb?

sorry i phrased that weirdly

i def have the gauge

[hidden junco]

Well, even on a simple math for 4/5: Blast Burn is 204 BP
Heat Wave is 125 x 3 for three targets divided by 2 for the AoE nerf

That's 187.5 BP

[glossy token]

ah

well hey that already will bump it up some, good to know!

i didnt realize aoe nerf was that intense

fire roster - 3/5 ex red was from way back in the day; just got him as a dupe from day 1 of the anni tickets to hit 4/5 and exr seemed like a no brainer

of the recommended supports i have 3/5 bp barry, 2/5 colress, 2/5 elio, 1/5 melony, 1/5 exr redlax, and 1/5 larry

obvi i dont have nc leaf so i dont think im getting anywhere near scores like this from the reddit (620 is already only second to my fairy score by a couple 10k) but

i was loosely considering if something like gordie for -2 fire rebuff + gmax set sun might be anything but

then i lose elio for sing spam on para + have to wait to use both of reds tms until post sync for +6 on haymaker

ran into a similar issue wrt -spdef in the forms of lucian and penny

and here is reds grid

not opposed to spending 20k to boost his max energy if the +2 makes a meaningful difference; this is at 60/60

.... mathematically if i were to candy + ex bluecanine, would innate super powered 3 + double down 5 (ahead of prob cs 2 as lucky) be better here?

the spatk is just so much lower (per pomatools, 240 at 140 ex vs red's 479)

[warped gulch]

I think you should just focus on Sync tho

[glossy token]

as in, drop sync thinker for the final multiplier attack?

[glossy token]

the thing is

i dont have a particularly good sun setter

[glossy token]

these are my suns

if you think its still worth it to try then o7 will do

[glossy token]

ok, switching to bb from hw means i have now technically broken my overall pb (was 642009 on fairy w/ bp valerie; just hit 642809)

[normal parcel]

Does the optimal Nate run want to spam b move or just save a buffed one as a finisher?

The b move is regular AOE split, so it should do 2/3 of the AOE damage against single target, right?

[normal parcel]

Poison is a bad multiplier for DC but there are much worse ones (basically any interference based multiplier, or stuffs like sleep/freeze burn is also a bit worse because it does less chip for the same animation)

[acoustic elk]

should I upgrade EX Barry roserade?

I have the understanding that it's pretty good on this damage challenges

[normal parcel]

Yes is pretty good

[glossy atlas]

Nc Nate nc Bianca and a Sync rusher should be good for st dragón right? Potentially colress since i dont know about sing spamming with nc rosa

[clever wasp]

She can sing spam but you've gotta paralyze them somehow first

Kinda think that Nate Bianca/Rosa and Colress could be good

[normal parcel]

Don't know if Rosa is still faster than corless even without paralysis

Sing plays the animation but will stun the opponent

Infliction freebie takes a bit of time

[rare apex]

my tech exr'd archie will surely break top 100

|| i'm just gonna use lyss ||

[safe prawn]

Just use og Kris

Haymaker + Inertia + sp5 + Sp3 is not bad at all

[rare apex]

nah yeah base kris probably handles it quite nicely

tm even gives sure crit

no crit rng

[cloud timber]

significant time cost to using tm tho and you only get 2 without rng or grid energy

build up is different tho

[thick stump]

build up goated

[fluid anvil]

tbh OG Kris probably wont be too much behind SS lysandre ..

[cloud timber]

no super sync 9 no tech exr no aoe b move

but no reliance on burn

[fluid anvil]

forgot he has super sync 9 too, thats good
but no triple burn yeah

[rare comet]

Hilda is only at 1/5 so this will have to do

[cloud timber]

i think this is the kris grid you'd want? drop pinpoint entry if that time consumption happens to deny an extra sync

[vernal condor]

depending on the ally you might not need attack mpr

[safe prawn]

I think her main problem will be the team, who are you using to give her speed?

ScSteven+sskris?

[vernal condor]

nc blue melony

oh yeah rain

[safe prawn]

Where rain

[vernal condor]

don't worry tomorrow we'll get a new rain support revealed

[safe prawn]

That’s what makes dahlia a little better imo, she’s gonna set her own rain that will last for the whole fight with ext

[vernal condor]

we need a physical or general rain support

[safe prawn]

Lodge Lance and kingdra

Lodge Lance and something

[cloud timber]

yea dahlia has the best role compression

[fluid anvil]

Dahlia is the AoE NC LEaf .. only IS9 sucks

[safe prawn]

We are gonna have to live with confusion

[vernal condor]

lodge lance is cringe because that means you need lance to begin with

[cloud timber]

i think you skip rain for kris tbh, ss kris just does nothing else for her

[safe prawn]

Also NcRed + Melony may struggle with gauge

[vernal condor]

nah

ss nemona + glorialt manage the gauge with melony, and they have way less speed

[safe prawn]

They gave one for free with some events where you could pick a champion iirc

[vernal condor]

you really think I would pick Lance

[safe prawn]

I did, now he’s 4/5

[vernal condor]

yeah you have a reason to

not me lmao

[rare apex]

i'd 5/5 lance from it for the big funny

[vernal condor]

i'd get steven over lance

[rare apex]

my steven is 3/5 and i'm not crazy about any of expanded tiles so yeah

[fluid anvil]

I picked lance once since I already had Cynthia and Steven.

[rare apex]

1/5 cynthia exists ig

[fluid anvil]

I would pick Alder next time jsut in case he ever gets added to lodge

[cloud timber]

with triple burn from start ss lysandre still gets to 7 sync buffs + b move, 5 syncs total with melony and ss kris support ex

not too atrocious

[unborn otter]

I have 4/5 lance, 3/5 cynthia, and I think 1-2/5 steven. I'm going to pick steven

[icy pendant]

doing trope's nc leaf clear and the amount of dexterity required on this opening triple queue is astronomical and makes me want to throw my phone out the window

[cloud timber]

80k orbs could get me another sync

but i wouldn't

don't think it'd reach 2m anyway

[icy pendant]

for CS2 Leaf, no strike EXs on my account, and a phone still safely inside my apartment, I think I’ll leave this score here yeah?

[cloud timber]

ok nvm did this without extra investment

threw on head start on morty for the kabu run so i had to redo

removed team strengthening heal and used morty tm instead of defend order animation, also made ss red second sync instead of third

[fluid anvil]

hold your horses Natebros .. a certain leak suggests that we might get a new best Dragon pair in a few days 😉

[rose basalt]

where leak

[cloud timber]

#499 with no nc leaf ss hilda or mix blue so that's kinda nice

the official reveal should be a lot better

[fair mist]

would nc serena be best at 3v1 water dc

[brisk shale]

Iirc she had the highest nuke at one point

The competition:

[fluid anvil]

NC Serena should be the best .. but I honestly feel like Dahlia can maybe beat her even in a 3v1 .. if she doesnt its only because of confusion

[safe prawn]

3v1 should be Serena bc of double rebuff however dahlia won’t be too far

[fluid anvil]

double rebuff yeah, but using b-move twice will be slow and Dahlia has her own rain (x1.5) .. but confusion sucks

[thin wren]

save up for finisher

what will ya all use next dc?

[icy pendant]

dragon st? depending on anni units I might ex my alt iris since she's freshly 3/5 (and she'll be useful for HSE surely )

[fluid anvil]

Looking like I will be using that new anni pair after all .. sorry ||Lucas||

oh wait nvm ... the dragon ST will be over by then kek

[lethal siren]

If I get ryuki today in Poma pull, I will use him

Try him

[lethal siren]

No

[cloud timber]

yeah anni isn't that soon

[lethal siren]

St is Tuesday

[cloud timber]

or is it

[lethal siren]

And Anni should be on Wednesday

Or Thursday

[icy pendant]

according to that leak the new dragon pair is the third to release so not until Sunday

[lethal siren]

Oh

Rip then

[fluid anvil]

can we mention the new leaked anni pairs by name here (under spoilers ) ? Or not yet?

[thin wren]

no

[icy pendant]

#poma-lounge has been having quite the extensive conversation about them in spoiler tags but as long as you keep it so that people who don't want to spoil the content of them are accidentally spoiled just by existing here then I don't see why not

to throw my hat in the ring I still think those leaks are fake as they might've tried to oversell them

[thin wren]

Unless it was in the mine I don't think it's safe to discuss the leaks tbh

[icy pendant]

it's safe to be skeptical of them, but people saw it and are coming to their own opinions about them

[cloud timber]

i have very recently seen an ad with a lot of pokemon masters stuff that was for an irrelevant game so i know that stuff is out there

[thin wren]

I keep on accidentally avoiding leaks of almost any game I play

[cloud timber]

seems dumb to get emotionally invested over leaks but maybe that's just me

[icy pendant]

I would've avoided them if it weren't for helper chat saying "have you seen this" and linking to the reddit post, but I won't be invested for another 3 hours

[cloud timber]

yeah it's more a response to the stuff ongoing in poma lounge than anything in here

[brisk shale]

Maxes Inertia,cakewalk,sp.atk, crit +para+sleep spam

Also funny agile entry 1 if you reset for mpr1 on elio tm

Ignore the 9 turns of setup

[cloud timber]

wonder if he reaches even 50% of kris output lmao

[thick stump]

Where rain

[cloud timber]

wonder if you could skip status spam and work off bubble spam instead

could bring in rain or seun

[jaunty stratus]

Is ss Hilda good for this? I have her 3/5 exr

[brisk shale]

Aoe speed debuffs kinda suck so other than SC Steven you'll prob have to drop cakewalk

5/5 ss Hilbert would be funny

-2 rebuff and speed aoe, -6 sp.def aoe

[cloud timber]

would be nice but the rebuff and speed are single target

usable for sure

[brisk shale]

His passive works once per target, a bit slow but you can do aoe

[loud cedar]

water 3v3 next?

[cloud timber]

single per use but yea you can cover everything if you take the time

[pallid girder]

The only reason some ppl think SS Lys might compete with Dahila is that he can tech in rain while still having SEUN + sleep spam.

But unlike SS Hilda he can't really burn only 1 and expect a high number bc all his sync multiplier is about burn.

[brisk shale]

Yes

[cloud timber]

yea best team includes ss hilda

[jaunty stratus]

Which teammates can i use her with? Best i can do is 600k with glora and blue

Also the aoe or v create for dps?

[cloud timber]

nc leaf nc rosa are best

[jaunty stratus]

I don't have ncleaf

[brisk shale]

Sync

[jaunty stratus]

What can hilda do to shorten cd?

[brisk shale]

Burn+sing spam

[jaunty stratus]

Burn?

[cloud timber]

yeah looks like you burn one target

[jaunty stratus]

Would lenora be a good third option?

[brisk shale]

Not really

Colress would be faster if you want defense debuffs

[jaunty stratus]

I don't have ncleaf sadly

I have scteven tho

[brisk shale]

Which sun setters do you have?

[jaunty stratus]

Ssmorty and mixblue

[brisk shale]

She already gives herself seun

[jaunty stratus]

Both are exed

I have ss acerola if she counts

[pallid girder]

For 3v1 I'm gonna do HSiebold lol. Burn is a headache but Rising Tide is good.
Also I don't have NC Serena nor Dahila anyway.

[jaunty stratus]

Is next dc water?

[jaunty stratus]

Why not use base siebold? He has dd

[cloud timber]

single dragon next

[pallid girder]

3v1. Base Siebold sounds wrong lol.

[brisk shale]

Maybe SS morty+colress/melony

Idk
Morty tm can give gauge for melony or maybe do rosa which has better speed but shouldn't sync
Check pins teams for grids

[pallid girder]

3v1 is always tech nuke time with only few exception.

[jaunty stratus]

Oh boy let's see if i can reach 1m with eternatus

[jaunty stratus]

Are they delaying electric dc foras long as possible?

[cloud timber]

it's before we see grass and ice and in the 4th rotation after the current one

so not literally but it's a little close

[pallid girder]

I'm sorry but I can't even find Eternatus doing 1M in 3v3, so he prob would flop hard too in 3v1...

[nova remnant]

https://twitter.com/PokemonMasters/status/1827557113884811286?t=WrmmYZxjmtVLer-oIY77Gw&s=19 sounds like a tech

Pokémon Masters EX (@PokemonMasters) on X

Announcement ④

The Lance Arc Suit Fair Scout is coming!

Arc Suit Lance & Dragonite—a Dragon-type sync pair with two powerful arc suit passive skills—debut on August 31 at 11:00 p.m. PDT!

They have superpowerful single-target attacks! 💥

Details coming soon!

#PokemonMasters

Twitter · Aug 25, 2024, 4:02 AM

Would the dragon DC still be up when he goes live?

[thin wren]

nope

Such a Dena move lmao

[nova remnant]

Lmao

[thin wren]

releasing the new op dragon tech after the dc ends

[thin wren]

can you please send the links to what we knew about their kits so far?

[nova remnant]

https://twitter.com/PokemonMasters/status/1827556996029055475?t=5br-SPMT7tajcz4WL74wJg&s=19
https://twitter.com/PokemonMasters/status/1827556878965981683?t=0byr4CX93lP0TC6--nby9w&s=19

Pokémon Masters EX (@PokemonMasters) on X

Announcement ③

The Steven Arc Suit Fair Scout is coming!

Arc Suit Steven & Metagross—a Steel-type sync pair with two powerful arc suit passive skills—debut on August 29 at 11:00 p.m. PDT!

They can heal all allies with their divine move! ✨

More info soon!

#PokemonMasters

Twitter · Aug 25, 2024, 4:01 AM

Pokémon Masters EX (@PokemonMasters) on X

Announcement ②

The Cynthia Arc Suit Fair Scout is coming!

Arc Suit Cynthia & Garchomp—a Ground-type sync pair with two powerful arc suit passive skills—debut on August 27 at 11:00 p.m. PDT!

They can cause a sandstorm and create a Ground Zone at the same time!

#PokemonMasters

Twitter · Aug 25, 2024, 4:01 AM

Steven is physical NC Blue lol

[thin wren]

thx

[icy pendant]

all we know about kits are in the dev letter as well

so anyways I am not going to be exing my alt iris because I need spirits for these arc pairs

[nova remnant]

Is it any different from what they posted in these post?

[icy pendant]

it's more descriptive

[nova remnant]

Oh sweet

[icy pendant]

here is the Arc Lance section

[thin wren]

why did they release it after dragon st dc...

[fluid anvil]

is Multi a new role .. ?

[thick stump]

yup

hope you've been saving your gold candies!

[thin wren]

it's the aoe rebuff on attack role

can you please send pics of the other's kits in the dev letter. Poma is bugging for me. Pls@icy pendant

[nova remnant]

Wait are they all multi roles?

[thin wren]

yes

[fluid anvil]

so Lance does -6 def/spdef and rebuffs
Cynthia does sandstorm + ground zone and also rebuffs
Steven buffs and heals and also rebuffs (but I'm not sure if his core role is dps or stanking)

[nova remnant]

Strike EXR cynthia and support EXR Steven I'm assuming?

[thin wren]

Lance also will probably hit like a nuclear bomb

st

[fluid anvil]

Looks like Cynthia will destroy Ground 3v3 hard
Lance will probably be best for Dragon 3v1, not sure about 3v3

[thin wren]

thx mate

[icy pendant]

Steven looks like physical NC Blue but better and I am f*cking terrified

[thin wren]

Lance looks like he will be a very strong hybrid

[spiral halo]

If Steven cant status/flinch then bummer

[icy pendant]

all their kits look awesome, it's a shame he's the last to run but it gives me time to throw 90k at the other two

[nova remnant]

Metagross is so night and day now lmao

[thin wren]

wait sync move up next?

[icy pendant]

yeah new mechanic

[thin wren]

this means that syncs can now also hit for 1 mil per target

ss glad ain't staying at the top for long

[cloud timber]

i'm definitely glad lance wont be in time for dragon single

would make this even more whale directed than it is

[icy pendant]

yeah same but it also means I'm just suffering my score there for the time being

can't ex shit right now and I need spirits for the anni pairs that aren't master fairs but show up at the same rate

[nova remnant]

sighs time to prepare more support cakes

[icy pendant]

the more relevant thing and idk if people saw this: the arc pairs have five passives

[cloud timber]

also need my maxed lucas to shine

[thin wren]

there ebes will be hell.

[nova remnant]

At least it won't the locked to only Kanto boost this time around

[thin wren]

Yeh, I noticed that

hopefully ranked won't be ground and dragon

[nova remnant]

Idk if I want them to make into one EBE again or seperate

[icy pendant]

oh no ground dragon HSE

will have both of them

[thin wren]

Cynthia looks ABSOLUTELY FUCKING BROKEN for aoe ground

especially if she gets mpr on tm

she literally compresses everything

except sync spam

[fluid anvil]

is multi roles -1 rebuff effect only on first sync or on each sync ?
also what is the sync BP of these multi-role syncs ? 250-300 or do they have innates like Techs?

[thin wren]

and circle ig

first sync

we don't know if all will have inate but Lance does

[fluid anvil]

White Cynthia is like Dahlia but better?

[thin wren]

white Cynthia? lol

[thin wren]

dahlia but even better

ground just got their super op dd

still no new supports for dragon or ground lol kel

*kek

[civic island]

Probably breaking ST too
That kit got literally everything you need to build a massive sync

[thin wren]

seems like Steven will be the new strongest physical support

[fluid anvil]

ah probably he has an innate because he is Tech
so Cynthia is probably the normal Striker sync
and steven support sync

so Lance does NOT have an AoE sync, right ?

[thin wren]

probably

he still would have broken st tho

IF he released during it

[fluid anvil]

so Nate might stay the top for Draogn 3v3

[thin wren]

LMAO

LANCE DROPS RIGHT AFTER ST DRAGON ENDS

Wth Dena

[fluid anvil]

btw new Cynthia sounds like she goes perfectly with Fall Roxanne (maybe not in DC, but in UBs) .. and Rika as support (or just use the new Steven ? since he is physical - he could support for Cynthia maybe, even if different types)

I guess Steel DCs also get a good boost from Stevens rebuffs

[analog barn]

Arc-Cynthia is getting this over 2M with each sync 💀

[fluid anvil]

Lance missed 3v1 dragon by only 2 days? lol
at least Cynthia will go hard

[nova remnant]

First unit to hit 10 cynmillion damage score

Oh yeah I assume she have team wide sand protection passive, like Irida's

[fluid anvil]

most certainly has the same aoe sand protection as NC silver

enemies will stil get chip damage, but thats not too bad. For this level of compression
I guess you bring colress and some kind of support with sprint (maybe redlax)
and go ham with sand + ground zone + rebuffs + huge AoE sync + SEUNs + -6def

Honestly its not even a guarantee if she can beat Gladions 6M but we will see

[thin wren]

maybe if she has mpr on tm

[fluid anvil]

I wonder if Cynthia has 192 BP Mega sync or normal 300 BP syncs (like SS Lusamine and SS Serena) .. hopefully the latter .. and throw in some entry passives too!

[sullen zephyr]

Sync move up next 5 is crazy

[fluid anvil]

all TMs usually have MPR .. plus there is redlax
with all the boosts the syncs will probably start hitting 1.5-2M in 3v3 .. so you only need 3-4 of them to beat 6M

they basically kinda seem like stronger (?) versions of 4-th anni kits
Arc Cynthia > NC Red
Arc Lance > NC Leaf
Arc Steven (only physical) > NC Blue

[loud cedar]

isnt his b move better than glad’s but just st

[fluid anvil]

we dont know his innate multiplier, maybe its only 30% (if the b-move is spammable)
but regardless if he has no AoE than he cant beat the top dogs in 3v3 .. in 3v1 he could

is it correct that these new multi role pairs also give positive rebuffs to the team on sync? I read that somewhere, but not sure if correct

[loud cedar]

positive rebuffs would be nice for hse

[normal parcel]

She can get full speed with 2 tm usages with +4 energy

For rain I think Archie unironically can work

Maybe Archie Elio Kris

[compact scaffold]

That’s what it says on the dev letter

[glossy atlas]

I Guess i'm scouting nemona now...My dreams have been crushed..

[normal parcel]

Positive rebuff in DC is useless, however those units should be really busted or I will have to skip because those banners are the worse banners ever (after mix ofc)

[glossy atlas]

I might try to get Steven or Cynthia

[normal parcel]

Can they even be candied?

[glossy atlas]

That is a good question

[pallid girder]

Even if they're busted I'm just gonna skip (except maybe Lance bc I like him). I just don't like the idea at all.

[normal parcel]

Immagine spending 50k gems for an unit that will stay 1/5 forever

[vernal condor]

they can be candied, but with a new kind of candies since they're "multi" pairs, so a new role

the paid banner has personal candies

[normal parcel]

I guess the good ol yellow candies should work

But still those banners are really bad

[pallid girder]

Imagine the multi coins/candies are only locked behind pulling these pairs and never given free.

[glossy atlas]

Yea same, i might pull for Steven because is Steven, but not much more

[glossy atlas]

Well, just in case i wont use the candies i have rn, but we'll see

[normal parcel]

I was saving for anniversary, but now suddenly I don't have enough gems

[glossy atlas]

Now i suddenly have 1.4k gems nemona and Hop came with me and kept them

[normal parcel]

However it seems that multi applies rebuff to the opponent, not positive rebuff to the team, so they may be viable with exr, however if it's just -1 rebuff 1st sync only is quite mhe, -2 will be really good

[compact scaffold]

they do both

Oh wait you mean the role not the arc bs

[normal parcel]

Yes the 6ex

[compact scaffold]

though tbf apparently only arc bs pairs will have that role

so it's one and the same

basically guaranteed 2 rebuff on those pairs

[normal parcel]

2 rebuffs seems pretty good

[compact scaffold]

though only cynthia will be able to apply 2 rebuff to all opponents in 3v3

because she's the only one with strike exr

[normal parcel]

Wondering if multi will have an innate, or only if the exr is tech/sprint

However there are few supports with innate and Gloria for strikers

[compact scaffold]

yeah, ig it depends on how busted they want to make em

most tech exrs don't have an innate tho so I wouldn't be too optimistic

[normal parcel]

Yes but it seems that the unit kit is based upon exr

[compact scaffold]

inb4 "raise to 5/5 to unlock innate multiplier"

they did say there will be 0 energy tiles added for every level of their sync so they could add a sync multiplier to the 5/5 free tile if they were feeling evil

[normal parcel]

Then they can rot away with their 500 scour points and 1% chance

[compact scaffold]

1% chance is whatever but upping the scout points truly is the most evil thing

they should at least let us keep the scout points or something

[normal parcel]

I mean with 2% rates I would have endured the 500 scout point bs

[compact scaffold]

they were never going to increase the rates from MFs

they already got us used to 1% rates

[lethal siren]

I wanna know solgaleo kit

[compact scaffold]

I was expecting lower rate but not the scout point bs

[normal parcel]

I mean 1% rates are fine with 400 scout points

Maybe they could have reduced the general 5★ to 10%

[lethal siren]

Will solgaleo be psychic

Looks like it

[compact scaffold]

tell that to those of us who were there when mfs debuted I don't think anyone was happy about that

[normal parcel]

I mean isn't fine, but that's is even worse

[compact scaffold]

it's an endless race to how screwed we can get used to being, that's gacha for you

[normal parcel]

Next anni will be 0.5% no pity

[compact scaffold]

.5%, only paid, no pity, scout points guarantee a 3* ticket

[lethal siren]

Oh wait
I am in wrong channel

[teal harness]

nah, they'll just send dena soldiers to your house to rob you at gunpoint

[compact scaffold]

ah yes, the classic deninjas

[normal parcel]

Even with 1% rates at least I knew that getting the unit would have never costed me more than 36.6k gems

[compact scaffold]

well now you know the unit will never cost you more than 45.6k

[normal parcel]

Now is 45.6k

[normal parcel]

9k needed gems

This also means you can't touch the banner unless you have 45.6k ready

[compact scaffold]

if nothing is done now people will get used to it, just like 1% rate

"can't" is a strong word

don't underestimate people yoloing

[normal parcel]

For me is forbid to touch a banner that I can't pity

[nova remnant]

the japanese are complaining, that on itself should be an indicator for DeNA

[compact scaffold]

for master fairs I just save 15k for the coins and go for it kek

[normal parcel]

That's why I'm so mad at 500 scout points

[compact scaffold]

that's a good sign then, hopefully something is done before release

t minus 3 days

[normal parcel]

Nha if I spend gems I need to get the unit

Otherwise for me those are just burnt gems

[compact scaffold]

I have gotten every master fair so far with that strat, watch me miss all three of these bs pairs now

[fluid anvil]

so all 3 of them do total -2 and +1 rebuff, right ? and Cynthia does hers AOE
this is so busted, already feeling like they powercrept 4-th anni, but we'll see
3v3 Ground and 3v1 Dragon going to be insane though

[normal parcel]

I mean I got all master fairs so far (except nemona) just because despite the 1% rates, however no need for 5/5 for the full grid really helps (even if some may want 5/5 for +10 energy)

[compact scaffold]

tbf nc blue already does double rebuff on enemies

[normal parcel]

Plus I know I will never randomly get a master Fair in a random banner

[compact scaffold]

I got pneumonia in two multis that was nice :D

and yeah I skip most pokefairs nowadays because they just release them in select banners not too long after anyway

[normal parcel]

I mean select banners are still paid gems stuffs only

[compact scaffold]

I save up the daily gems for them

[fluid anvil]

I was mostly talking Cynthia and Lance
if you compare to NC Red - he does -2 rebuff, but Cynthia does -2 rebuff, +1 rebuff, sandstorm and ground zone - higher compression
and I assume Lance will easily outdamage NC leaf with his super boosted hyperbeamu spam
for Steven we will need to see in what way he is > nc blue ( if he is)

[normal parcel]

I mean you still have to purchase enough gems for the select

[compact scaffold]

Steven is prolly better than NC blue in terms of survivability but yeah

[normal parcel]

I get some gems with opinion rewards but I can't save enough to get a bundle

[compact scaffold]

getting the daily bundle and saving the gems isn't that expensive, you just need 2 daily bundles and have 1k gems left over if you save up

[normal parcel]

And they expire in 1 year

So I'm forced to get the 300 gems deals before they start expiring

[compact scaffold]

wait actually with a single daily bundle you have enough since you get 1k from buying

[random cedar]

Any mix blue clears recorded ?

[compact scaffold]

unless it's a 5k selectable then you need 2

[sturdy pebble]

Y'all wanna keep paying?

[normal parcel]

Yes problem is that I can get enough in a year of using opinion rewards to buy a bundle

€ prices are also more expensive

[random cedar]

Hopefully 3k but they may do it dirty

[compact scaffold]

I am from EU as well don't you worry

[random cedar]

Does VPN not work?

[normal parcel]

Don't want to mess with that

[random cedar]

Or it's app store/play store based?

Ah fair enough

[compact scaffold]

prolly store based

I haven't tested vpn tho too lazy

[normal parcel]

Don't want to risk a ban or something

[unique abyss]

How much in € does 3k bundle cost?

[compact scaffold]

3k bundle or the daily?

the daily is 4€ iirc

[unique abyss]

daily, oops offtopic

[random cedar]

Arent the anni bundles pretty good for their price

I think we're getting another 1$/1k gems bundle

[normal parcel]

Maybe I should get one of those

[compact scaffold]

yeah the cheapest anni bundles are usually worth it

well

"worth it"

if you consider gacha currency to be worth anything (it isn't)

[random cedar]

I bought two of the most expensive run up bundles I don't wanna spend more

But selects are selects

[compact scaffold]

the expensive bundles aren't that cost efficient tbh

[random cedar]

Wanted NC Hop

[compact scaffold]

understandable

[unique abyss]

Well, for me in PLN it's a bit cheaper ~3.5€

[random cedar]

I'll stop pulling on mix for now until it changes cause Blue is like 26/5 anyways

And I need to save up cause I spent 3k for lyrapuff

[compact scaffold]

I only spend on mix until I get 1/5 lol

until we get a mix Lillie or Gladion then I'll go all in

[unique abyss]

I wonder how good arc cynthia will be during the triple ground dc

[random cedar]

I have p good luck with the featured unit, it's just that he is always the ONLY one coming

[compact scaffold]

rolling on mix for non-featured unit is crazy

you can literally get all of the other units in selectables throughout the year for much cheaper

[unique abyss]

Wait, wasn't she going to be in daily banner?

[random cedar]

Like if you look at it

It's sorted by date acquired

Rei is pity, last 3 seasonals are selects

SC Jasmine Spring Burgh Ariana NY Wallace SC Adaman Holiday Whitney NY Lisia (twice ) SS Cynthia

Got all of those after my mix Blue reached like

25/5

And that's basically it cause right before DC Marnie I have SC Irida which I selected on previous pity

[fluid anvil]

so ArCynthia will probably be #1 in Ground 3v1 too, wont she ? not hard to beat Courtneys ~1M even as a striker when you're this cracked
we will have 2 Cynthias fully dominating Ground and Ghost types in DC - 4 stages

[cloud timber]

yep

[fluid anvil]

Lance should take over (the next rotations) Dragon 3v1 even if he doesnt have dragon zone, I would assume .. -2 rebuff, -6 spdef, high ST damage
3v3 Dragon is safe tho, still Nate
and all steel clears got a nice boost too (just run ArSteven + colress) .. dog Gloria should clear 4M next time, maybe even 5M lol

[random cedar]

How 2 cynthias for ghost?

Also ArCynthia is strike, what makes you so sure about it

[pallid girder]

Depending on the other part of Lance kit, Arc Lance might actually be a teammate for NC Nate in 3v3 too.

[compact scaffold]

SSR Cynthia is best for 3v1 ghost as well as 3v3 because she has strike exr

[normal parcel]

Isn't she the worse unit in the game? At least among non f2p units

[cloud timber]

think they meant 2 cynthias but one for ghost and one for ground

only one ghost cynthia

[fluid anvil]

one SSR Cynthia for both ghost stages I meant
and one ArCynthia for both ground stages

[random cedar]

Probably, picked her to complete my fairy roster, only missing 2 and will be picking SS Wally in a couple of days

[random cedar]

Oh I see

So Multi is basically a rebuff based role?

[fluid anvil]

yeah

-1 rebuff to sync target

[random cedar]

That's it?

seems bad since we have supports that do the same

For sure will be better than strike I guess

[fluid anvil]

I assume this means that only Cynthia does them AoE because only she has AoE sync ... but not sure

well multi role still means more compression into 1 unit

[random cedar]

Nah if it's based on the sync then it'll be shit

[fluid anvil]

also we dont even know multi roles sync BP yet .. what if its 500 BP lmao

[random cedar]

I read smth about 0 energy tiles per move level

[cloud timber]

yeah they have plenty of opportunities to make things even more busted than they actually mentioned

[random cedar]

But I'm skipping anni anyways, the only interesting pair is Steven but he's also meh

So best ground team will probably be AS Cynthia/Fall Roxanne/Rika

[fluid anvil]

multi roles themselves arent busted maybe (but still, rebuff is good), but these Arc units will be because they make them so
the other non-anni multi role pairs will be less busted

[random cedar]

SS Kris next month, can't skip on that

[fluid anvil]

overall yeah (although you might not even need Rika at all anymore) .. in DC its ArCynthia + Colress + something ?

[random cedar]

And 500 scout points for pity is too much ngl, with the low amount of gems we're getting already

And my awful luck

[random cedar]

Why not? She's pretty good

Maybe if Cynthia will have 2 uses of sandstorm

That also applies zone

[fluid anvil]

her main thing is Ground zone, Cynthia has that .. but I guess more zone and more extensions doesnt hurt

[thin wren]

all multi pair syncs will have an additional effect

[random cedar]

Just the rebuff tho

[fluid anvil]

with Rika + ArCynthia the total ground zone will last forever

[random cedar]

Volo Arceus is pretty much confirmed at this point

[random cedar]

That does not hurt tbh

Would be cool if all 3 would have the exact same moveset as the original alts but improved

[cloud timber]

i wouldn't want them to be that level of unoriginal and outclassing, seems largely like that as is anyway

[normal parcel]

Love how they are just trying to sell the 500 scout points in the dev letter, like a positive thing, "you can earn up to 500 scout points", immagine if a shop tells us, good news from today you can spend more money to get the same product

[cloud timber]

yea i think it's just having some way to pretend it's not an asshole move but it'd be transparent regardless

[random cedar]

LMFAO

I really want to 3/5 my SS Hilda in general and now especially for the fire 3v3, she's at 2/5 rn and I'm at 19/20 for a candy without a possible way to get the last coin before this rotation ends

Other than pulling on Bede's scout for the candy coins

Is Mix Blue that much worse?

[normal parcel]

I mean you landed a low blow, don't add insult to injury, don't pretend that is a positive thing when in no shape or form can be considered a positive thing

[normal parcel]

Don't think is much worse, but a great Hilda run can score much more

[cloud timber]

i'd always think you don't actually need the things that you think you need but i'm also just way more resistant to fomo than most, like would you actually care nearly as much about getting something even just a day after you get it

can hurt more when you're that close tho i get that

[fluid anvil]

also I think its a given but both Cynthia and Lance will have guaranteed crit passives probably
Cynthias description mentions how she gains +6 Atk when using a status move .. no mention of a crit buff likely means that crit comes from a separate passive
so no crit sync rng I hope

[random cedar]

Soften up 1 on top

[normal parcel]

However they mentioned trap on Cynthia description so she may not be that great in dc

[random cedar]

Did they?

I don't like the general idea of "remodelling" older units

[normal parcel]

Her b move gives a sync move next up stack for each trapped opponent

[cursive linden]

For every trapped opponent

[fluid anvil]

yeah they did, but if its possible to skip trapping then you just skip trap .. you lose whatever boost it gives, but its worth

[cursive linden]

How does she trap her opponent herself?

[random cedar]

?? thats a new thing? P/Smuns for syncs?

[fluid anvil]

yeah

[normal parcel]

Yes but they said only 10% boost

[random cedar]

Techs gonna go crazy with it

[pallid girder]

They said multi roles are tied to Arc pairs and Arc pairs have innate effect for their sync, so it'll do a lot more than just rebuff.

[normal parcel]

If is multiplicative is great, but if is additive is quite mhe

You need 10 stacks to add an extra haymaker like multiplier for just 1 sync

[fluid anvil]

I mean you would already be skipping using the buddy move anyway - just focus on her syncs .. and maybe drop the buddy move at the end

[random cedar]

It will probably work the same way S/Pmuns do

[fluid anvil]

its just a little extra kinda like NC red gets some exrta sync damage from having SMUN stacks
the main multipliers will still be Haymaker etc.

[normal parcel]

10% is pretty lame if additive, especially since sync moves generally have inflated multipliers compared to regular moves

[fluid anvil]

the main boost is the SEUNs from Cynthias TM

for DC*

[normal parcel]

But the sync doesn't consume them in NC red case

[thin wren]

her TM will probably have mpr

[fluid anvil]

well him attacking does consume it

[random cedar]

Does he? or you mean Cheren?

[normal parcel]

But in DC you can skip attacks

[fluid anvil]

nc red has it from SMUNs yeah .. NC cheren from PMUNs

[normal parcel]

Both, but cheren can definitely keep them

[random cedar]

Oh

damn

I never realised NC Red had it

[normal parcel]

In DC you can buff red smun stacks and sync spam, then use blizzard at the end

[fluid anvil]

-2 AoE ground rebuff, ground zone, whatever boost from sandstorm maybe, big striker sync mutipliers, SEUNs from TM and -6 def from Colress .. and a big buddy move to drop at the end
should go ham .. not guaranteed to beat 6M though

[normal parcel]

As long as her kit doesn't rely on trap

And even sand is pretty annoying for dc

[thin wren]

I wonder how Lance Lance could get in st

[random cedar]

He can get to +5 by himself, so Rosa is prob a good partner

Rosa Chase? cause Irida has hail alongside zone

[normal parcel]

I mean if her innate or her main sync multiplier is trap based I don't know how good she can be in dc

[fluid anvil]

outside of DC - this means if Cynthia attacks trapped opponents 3 times - she gets a free 90% sync boost for next sync .. then use it up and then get 3x30% - 90% more after 3 more attacks (less if sides die)

[vapid kernel]

hey anyone can tell me what grid i should use for Melony ? Is there a specific tile i want or what

[thin wren]

Get speed tiles

[normal parcel]

Sing accuracy and speed

[random cedar]

Cynthia Foxanne gonna make ground surpass ice

Too many Cynthia alts in the game, I need Lillie with Alolan Ninetales

[normal parcel]

I guess for regular modes that's the plan

[fluid anvil]

true, although she will likely be the best ground 3v3 regardless of anything
only question is how high her max score wil be

[vapid kernel]

you'd think devs could take ah int

[normal parcel]

Without seeing the full kit/grid is hard to tell

She's expected to be busted, but we can't tell for sure

Maybe she has team Regen on entry

[random cedar]

Who knows

[normal parcel]

Maybe she has some weird passive that stalls for time

[slender venture]

Sandstorm and trap lol

[random cedar]

Was pretty obvious that we would get 2 cracked Dragon and Ground units as soon as they announced on HSE being Dragon/Ground

[normal parcel]

What candies will she even use? Strike? Yellow ones?

[random cedar]

Pink/more than one color

[pallid girder]

New candies bc new role.

[random cedar]

Honestly it should be Red Green Blue

combined

[normal parcel]

New role feel like stellar type, a "new" type but not really a type

[fluid anvil]

Cynthia Foxanne is actually busted (outside DC)
Foxanne has Tech+Strike sync, can trap, can debuff atk, speed and defence and her sync steals and reverses all enemy buffs (like S.hildas topsy turvy, but on each sync)
+1st S-Move: No Stat ↑ on Field this too

[vapid kernel]

they really love building units around HS for some reason

[random cedar]

We don't even have that many sprints and it has been out for a while now

[vapid kernel]

Like they also released Holiday Sycamore and Summer Acerola that do their own type rebuff for no other reason

[random cedar]

To trap the whales

[pallid girder]

They even specify pulling on the new banner give you their new candies.
Yellow candies might work tho, since they're designed to be all purpose candies.

[vapid kernel]

oh shit

new Multi candy

[normal parcel]

Not saying Cynthia will be bad outside DC, I'm only saying that we don't know if she will be viable in DC, sand + trap is an infamous DC combo and we don't know the full kit

[random cedar]

CANDIES or candy coins?

[normal parcel]

I'm 50% sure that multi will use the candy of their ex role

Like for upgrading they stated that they will use the materials related to their ex role

[vapid kernel]

Do i want MGR on Sing or absolutely ot

[normal parcel]

Irrelevant

It will never trigger

[vapid kernel]

Ok true