Damage Challenge

[normal parcel]

Mind blown just give random smun stacks

Is the max move that has random effects

[copper otter]

That gradual healing would be a run killer if it's aoe

[normal parcel]

Gradual healing isn't a big deal if isn't for the team

[copper otter]

I can't remember if it is

The seup would be amazing. That's the only effect worth rolling for

[true locust]

Most you get 1/3 up

Or nothing too🤣

[copper otter]

It's up to 10

It's less than 1% chance

[true locust]

On paper

In game is 1/3 most

[copper otter]

I've gotten a +9 before

[normal parcel]

Immagine some madman rolling for +10

[copper otter]

Hi. 🙂

[true locust]

I got 10 up some times too

[copper otter]

Actually.... instead of NC Leaf.... lowkey SS Hilbert might be better

5/5 hilberts aim for instant -2 on all opponents + metal sound

But wait, no sun

Although ny wallace does it himself

Who would be better?

[lusty galleon]

a bit closer

[copper otter]

Gonna need some thoughts on that theory craft above

[lusty galleon]

first sync didn't crit...

that was a 1M run haha

[vernal condor]

I still need to do dc, uh

[true locust]

You sync chase and melony then dawn?

Hear sync its not power flux and confusion?

Whit spam sing its kinda not the best deal for gauge

[normal parcel]

However the NC blue melony Cynthia clear is pretty miserable, you have to get MPR, -4 in max 3 shadow balls and possibly some def drops too, not get poisoned (I guess NC blue could get poisoned) and on top of that is even an 80% crit unit

Wanted to score a bit higher,but is too much RNG for my taste

I can tollerate a bit of RNG with guaranteed crit units, but definitely not with 80% crit units

[fluid anvil]

if its a special nuker like NY Wallace/MixBlue I always just mostly default to Chase + Melony team, which is usually the best DC team for special nukers
however here you have NC Leaf as an option with her rebuffs. But rebuff is x1.3, Chase circle is x1.2, but he is also much faster than using NC leaf/burn - you will definitely get 7 syncs with Chase/Melony, maybe 8

[fluid anvil]

"-4 spdef in 3 shadow balls" is pretty normal, its nothing too bad. You can even afford 4 shadowballs if you only aim for 1M. def drops from shadowballs can be ignored, the -2 from blue is enough
the main rng is TM MPR (at the very start) and the sync crits.
from personal experience the rng is hell if you are trying to break 2M, but up to 1.3-1.5M its fine. I got 1.5M on the first time when all syncs critted

[glossy token]

is the better roll seun or sure crit?

asking out of curiosity

i would assume seun but if youre getting smun10 then

sure crit on an x10 feels like a bigger buff? idk

[raw mason]

No way I'm doing better than that but that's okay, 600k with these units is already much better than I expected

[copper otter]

you're already at max crit and have Soften up. sure crit is worthless

[maiden mica]

What's a good 3rd partner for Spectrier Victor and SC Irida?

I tried with Anni Lillie but two strikers eat up too much time

Maybe Redlax?

[cloud timber]

bp barry to rush syncs

and have support ex

[snow raptor]

Fine for me /o

[maiden mica]

I don't have enough for this, gdi

We'll see how it goes tomorrow

[cloud timber]

colress is better if 3/5 then

[random cedar]

I honestly think that Mix Blue can go hard on that, he has sun and SEUN with MPR

[copper otter]

His sync isn't the best imo.

Plus he kinda relies on sun a bit too much for aoe

I'm more curious if anni n can hit 1m

[fluid anvil]

I predict that Mix blue teams will score the highest in 3v3 Fire.
SS Hilda/NY Wallace as #2/3

[civic island]

Mblue compress a lot with sun n SE and works great w chase for kanto circle

[copper otter]

[civic island]

Wonder if he can basically work as a supp for ssHilda, providing sun and SE next

[pallid girder]

Ig the issue is NC Leaf compress more so she's kinda a staple

[civic island]

MBlue Chase require cakes sadly

I have to go with either Silver or just ncLeaf

[fluid anvil]

nc leaf means you lose the super fast syncing of Chase+melony

[copper otter]

Not necessarily if you burn

[fluid anvil]

burn is the main reason - its slower than para.
also NC leaf doesnt have speed buffs like Chase - Melony would have no gauge

[random cedar]

You only sync with him, his b move takes too long anyways

[rare comet]

This took me way too long, but my strike role cake is safe

[pallid girder]

The worst part about NY Wallace is if you want +10 SMUN & SEUN Mind Blown in the end, the latter you can't really roll in the beginning.

[copper otter]

you can on the second turn.

your gauge should be enough for one roll, if not +7 or above, just reset.

and there will be a lot of it

[thin wren]

....

is Anni Wallace gonna be the best in fire dc?

[pallid girder]

I mean SEUN. It's summoned by max move and use it too early it'll be consumed by his first sync.

[copper otter]

you wouldn't want to use his Max move until later into the battle anyways because it has Max Countdown 3 too.

[thin wren]

what are ss Wallace multipliers

[brisk shale]

brainpower and charging sun 3

[copper otter]

he can do more damage than NC Leaf due to AOE. however, would want NC Leaf or SS Hilbert as a partner.

It's still a tossup on who is better to me.

granted SS Hilbert needs to be 5/5 to even be worth using over NC Leaf

[crude sandal]

NY Wallace stronger than the team I've previously theorycrafted?

[crude sandal]

I've already debated that SS Hilda is better than Mix Blue

[cosmic wing]

why the fuck are people saying NY Wallace as Anni or SS Anyway, wouldn't NY Wallace be quite RNG dependent due to his buddy move? Or that won't matter much

[crude sandal]

You mean his max move

[cosmic wing]

I don't have him, I forgot half of his kits

[crude sandal]

I don't have him either

But I remember one of his kits is his random max move effectd

[copper otter]

NY Wallace is gamba as a Damage dealer

reposting;

[pallid girder]

Can he hit 1M*3 like SS Gladion in the end with mind blown?

[copper otter]

depends on your SMUN

he can deal almost 900K damage from Mind blown if conditions are in your favor

[crude sandal]

I still think my theorycrafted team will be the top team

[thin wren]

probably unless someone has the patience to get+10 smun on every b move

[long silo]

I will just wing it with Mix Blue

[crude sandal]

Skinny time

Also NC Leaf + Rosa might be best

[pallid girder]

Not gonna lie it's more tempting to see ppl hit a +10 SMUN Mind Blown in the end instead of seeing SS Hilda or Mix Blue do 3M.

[crude sandal]

Because Leaf can burn with her B Move and Rosa can Sing spam, givs speed buff and MUN stacks, slight master passive and has sprint EXR

[thin wren]

if it was ranked then maybe someone would do it

[long silo]

That will surely blow everyone's mind

[thin wren]

If it was ranked I could see people like Adam trying to get 10 smun on every b move

[crude sandal]

What's the NY Wallace comp again?

[thin wren]

Probably ny Wallace, leaf (sun and rebuff) and a special damage buffer and smun giver like Chase or smth

or redlax instead of chase

for seun

this comp is definitely just a funny comp because for it to be better you would need 10 amun every try

[pallid girder]

NY Wallace can do sync spam too and only save the +10 SMUN MB in the end.

[crude sandal]

I'm guessing Wallace can do close to 999,999 with 10 SpMUN stacks

On those 2 uses

How much does Wallace deal with his B Move at full power?

And wrong place

[civic island]

Is giving abt 100k per target, not much
7 sync buffs, sun, circle, 10 smun

[crude sandal]

Hmmm, is it better than SS Hilda sync nuke?

[civic island]

Depending on setup, later ssHilda sync should deal abt 200-250 k per target

[brisk shale]

Leaf also gives rebuff and sp.def drops

[copper otter]

Source; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69MSmHqBGYA

NC Hop

[cloud timber]

max debuffs in 2 b moves

and support ex now

[civic island]

Looks nice

[copper otter]

that is definitely a choice.

[civic island]

Alrd counted max spdef drop,rebuff is a good 30%
But still, really weak

Not unreduced, no innate multupliers
Very different situation compared to ssGladion but at least he can spam and going dps can be rewarding

[crude sandal]

Doesn't Leaf give another rebuff when she syncs?

[civic island]

But spamming with good rolls may be something

[long silo]

I appreciate the breath of fresh air with that Hop comp

[brisk shale]

Yes but st

[civic island]

Yes on one
So overall its 36,6% multiplier if you consider the total aoe

[copper otter]

only to mid

[crude sandal]

I mean, she also has support EXR too

[copper otter]

I'm still on the fence thinking SS Hilbert might be better.

AOE Rebuff and Metal sound would be perfect in terms of saving time

[crude sandal]

Isn't SS Hilbert's rebuff only ST?

[pallid girder]

SS Hilbert needs total 6 turns to do all that tho.

[copper otter]

it can be applied to all targets

[civic island]

One each hit the first time

[crude sandal]

And you have to spam Metal Sound 3 times if you have Ripple Effect on it?

[copper otter]

ye

you're already having to do 6 turns with NC Leaf anyways

3 leers, and a flar blitz for each opponent

B move is much longer in animation tho

[crude sandal]

At least NC Leaf has support EXR and MF passive to help the final damage

[civic island]

Physical boost iirc

[copper otter]

^^^

doesn't help NY Wallace

[crude sandal]

Well, it helps Hilda at least

[civic island]

There will be some comps, fire will be really nice to see

[copper otter]

if you're doing physical, just stick with NC Leaf at that point

[brisk shale]

Who would be the third for SS hilbert?

[copper otter]

BP Barry

SS Hilbert can only lower attack with fire drive Grid

[crude sandal]

All this talk of NY Wallace is making me think he's the best. Is he?

[pallid girder]

I thought ppl are gonna do 3 leer and 1 flar blitz only.
It's no point to waste your time on all opponents if it's not a must for max out sync multiplier for your dmg delear.

[copper otter]

Def drops already increase damage output even more. might as well at that point since you're only working with -1 rebuff on sides.

[crude sandal]

IIRC, the enemy does X Defense All

[copper otter]

he has the potential to be, but he is very RNG heavy

[crude sandal]

At least that's what someone said to ne

[copper otter]

he has SEUN on Max Move, and the potential to get 10 SMUN from Mind Blown

[devout pelican]

Man, this one is brutal even with SSCR

Petition to make Ghost better

[crude sandal]

Does his B Move have potential to match SS Gladion?

[devout pelican]

Of course, I didn't pull the recent two ghosts. Guess I'm gonna get wrecked in HSE

[copper otter]

highest it could go is 300K with SEUp due to Damage mitigation.

this is 300K to ALL opponents

so ~900K from a mind blown

[crude sandal]

SS Hilda's sync can go beyond 400k with SEUN without defense drops

[copper otter]

NY Wallace also has sun

[crude sandal]

So does Hilda with Leaf

And it doesn't matter if you say Wallace has field EXR

[copper otter]

does SS Hilda have soften up?

[crude sandal]

She doesn't

[copper otter]

oof

also Wallace has Strike EXR lol

[crude sandal]

But her nuke critted can par with 10 SpMUN, SEUN, sun and circle boosted Wallace B Move

[copper otter]

i mean, I'm not really going for who is the best of the best, I just want to use NY Wallace because funni gamba

[devout pelican]

Managed to end it with 2 Shadow Force

*It costed me all the 3-star deluxes I farmed this LG *

Pain

[pallid girder]

Just let ppl cook. If ppl never cook something cool we'd never step out from Colress/BP Barry meta.

[crude sandal]

Well, I cooked with SSA Cynthia Numbing Blow and NC Rosa Sing spam for fighting 3v3

[copper otter]

If I have -6 Spdef, -2 rebuff on all opponents, 10 SMUN and 6 sync boosts..... Mind Blown's damage.

this isn't with SEUp btw

[civic island]

Triggered 3 targets?

[copper otter]

0h..... depression hit.

[crude sandal]

What's the team here?

[copper otter]

BP Barry/SS Hilbert/NY Wallace

[last stream]

why is korrina doodoo

[copper otter]

At least NY Wallace has Soften up

[crude sandal]

This is what I calced before
https://discordapp.com/channels/583120259708616715/1255888121648644197/1274322620292141078

[copper otter]

so he's at least he guaranteed crit syncs

[real wind]

So... Acerola is... Fine-ish

[devout pelican]

I assume takes too long to setup

[cloud timber]

better than base gladion woo

[pallid girder]

SS Korrina is still the second best choice in this lol.

[rain copper]

she just needs to attack twice

her setup is even faster than Cynthia's

[real wind]

I already cooked the other Experiment teams... I'm not confident with the main team (Note: All 3 have their EX Roles Unlocked on the Main Team/DC Battle Team)

[pallid girder]

I actually don't know which is faster: burn + sleep spam or para move spam?

[last stream]

Well she also needs DH+ x2

[rain copper]

with the best team she doesn't need even to click DH+

Fall Allister and Melony ig?

[last stream]

mines not 3/5 🫠

[cloud timber]

i'd expect burn + sleep to be faster but we'd need confirmation

[devout pelican]

MT Fire next? Surely, there will be lots of teams

[long silo]

Time for me to cook with Ethan

[real wind]

SS Hilda is said the best for this Fire Multi DC right? (or are there any other contenders?)

[lethal siren]

Yes
There are other contenders too

It's just Hilda is very powerful

With support ex role in hand

And ss red has tech ex role

[crude sandal]

Mix Blue and NY Wallace

[lethal siren]

Ss red has solar flare 7

Hooh and silver also great coz solar flare 9+ inertia

Hilda is one of best because she doesn't rely on sun

[warped gulch]

But you want sun anyway

[snow raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-baby-sun-gif-19474019

[crude sandal]

SS Hilda can still be used with NC Leaf

[lethal siren]

Yes

Ss Hilda is best

[pallid girder]

Well the only reason some ppl don't view Hilda as the best of the best is bc she needs burn.
Not needing sun but needing burn in exchange is not the best in dc.

[acoustic chasm]

At least it enables sleep spam

[cloud timber]

i don't feel like burn is slow in melony/elio era

[cursive linden]

Oops

[fluid anvil]

mix blue + chase + melony will be the best team

btw Mix blue has this:
S-Move: Physical Boost ↑2 & Special Boost ↑2 9
Has a chance (100%) of increasing the user’s Physical Moves ↑ Next effect and Special Moves ↑ Next effect by 2 ranks after using its sync move.
so you can drop a 10 SMUN Neo Blast Burn at the end

[crude sandal]

What sync multiplier are you going to ignore for Blue then?

[fluid anvil]

none?

[crude sandal]

Yeah, I realzied just now

Hmmmmm, according to my calcs, his B Move deals 303k+ minimum variance at 10 sync buffs, SEUN and 10 SpMUN stacks

Along with circle

[fluid anvil]

mix blue + Chase + Melony has:
-sun
-150% sync mutiplier
-7+ syncs total
-1.3x from Chase circle
-SEUNs from TM
-guarantted sync crits
-10 SMUN Neo Blast burn at the end
Hilda has no chance to beat this, I dont think its even close actually

[crude sandal]

Have you done the calcs yourself?

[fluid anvil]

in my head 🙂

Do we have anyone with 3/5 caked mix blue + 3/5 caked Chase to test that comp ?

[crude sandal]

Hilda's Searing Shot deals over half of Blue's B Move at full power, and that's not even full SpMUN stacks

And Hilda has significantly stronger sync than Blue in general

[merry nymph]

perhaps

[fluid anvil]

I think it should break 4M tbh

[crude sandal]

Hilda can break 5M potentially

[crude sandal]

At 6 or 7 sync buffs, Hilda already does as much, maybe even more than 10 SpMUN stacks, 10 sync buffs, SEUN, sun and circle boosted Neo Blast Burn

Hilda's nuke alone already outperforms Blue's max powered B Move

[lethal siren]

Wht to do
I have 4/5

Should I take HE3

[crude sandal]

At 4/5, don't

Take the sync move power up nodes instead

[fluid anvil]

no idea where these crazy Hilda numbers are from. We'll see tomorrow
but you need 3/5 caked Mix blue + 3/5 caked Chase to fully test the other comp, probably not many have that

[lethal siren]

I should unlock more cap ig

[crude sandal]

I have my team

I'll send you the link if you want

[crude sandal]

BTW, does your calcs account for the Sp. Def. debuffs?

Because mine doesn't

[crude sandal]

Can you test my team?

[thin wren]

a few days ago we did some calcs. You can search for the messages

[cursive linden]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=0&v1=000403049400&s1=4&l1=140&r1=6&p1=0&a1=0&t1=44444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFBwwPFRYXGh0gITQ&v2=0

Hostile Environment 3 is somewhat of a must if you don't want to turn crazy

Does SS Hilda need Hostile Environment or is that just to prevent me going crazy?

[lethal siren]

I see

[cloud timber]

idk do you want a 15% chance to burn or 60%

(taking into account 3 aoe halves odds)

[normal parcel]

Is individual odds, so if you want all 3 burnt is 0.15³

However the stage has x defense so hida is a bit hampered by that compared to p2w blue or NY wallace

[thin wren]

aren't we all already crazy?

[normal parcel]

However he3 costs energy, and burning all the opponents wastes more time with burn animations

[thin wren]

a little bit more crazy for more power is worth it

[normal parcel]

To enable sleep spam you just need a burnt target, a good compromise would be trying to burn just the sides, it saves 50% of the animations while having 2/3 target burnt, just don't double rebuff center

However without he3 is still a mere 2.25% chance of burning both sides

[pallid girder]

Well I think most ppl might just go with burn one opponent.

[normal parcel]

Without he3 burning 1 side should be the way

Just avoid to burn the center

An option may be to rely on NC leaf for the burn, considering that solar sync isn't enough to keep the sun the whole battle with just drought alert 3

At least not if leaf syncs 2nd

[tribal flax]

lyra and serebii flinch spam is too good for most other mode except damage challege.
any alternative of status spam similar to lyra and serebii?

[copper otter]

The meta has been a status user into sleep fail spam for sync rushing.

The opponent will move, but the main goal is getting sync asap. Having sing fail, is the fastest way of doing this

I calculated the time it takes and from what it looks like... depending on if the opponent move's fail. It should take about a 23-28 second rotation from sync to next sync

Sing spam by itself is about 20 seconds, but the opponent WILL MOVE so it will be inevitable that there will be a time loss of at least 2 seconds if they miss or get para'd.

Worst case scenario is that their move hits, and either a status or stat drop happens

Tl:dr
If you're at 26-27 seconds, you should have enough to sneak in another sync from sing spam.

[normal parcel]

Generally the best way is spamming sing on a paralyzed opponent, ofc not always is possible to paralyze however burn and poison still work (but the chip damage slows down) spamming syncs is generally the way, but id an unit has insane DPS (like nc Marnie's b move) you can focus on that too

[tribal flax]

thanks for all the info. -3(23s) and +3(30s) still possible to get another sync for most unit. but sometime is slow, 27 sec still require 1 sec more to sync

[cloud timber]

20 seconds takes into account average enemy moves, really 16 is possible even including enemy moves again

[normal parcel]

If you just spam sing and nothing else 20 seconds should be enough if the opponent attacks only once and without a slow move, but using stuffs like seun TM will slow you down

Even redlax tm will slow you down despite the sync acceleration

-1 sync acceleration tm generally aren't a good deal unless you need the buffs

[thin wren]

16 seconds is enough for me if enemy doesn't move

[normal parcel]

If the enemy doesn't move at all yes

[warped gulch]

4 bar move enemy when ?

And pls no 1 bar pls, i dont want to see more Acid

[normal parcel]

I mean tackle should be fine

[thin wren]

and no poison or fire

[normal parcel]

Is acid that is really bad

[warped gulch]

Pretty mid animation, 10% aoe Spdef debuff and 1 bar

[thin wren]

it could drop sp Def,was aoe and 1 bar

and was kinda long

[normal parcel]

Single target poison shouldn't be that bad, generally there's an unit that doesn't really have to act besides turn 1

[thin wren]

problem is most poison moves have been aoe

[normal parcel]

AOE status is really really bad

[pallid girder]

The guy who think heat wave and sludge wave are good ideas in dc should be fired 😦

[normal parcel]

Immagine discharge, or lava plume

[sullen zephyr]

Only took a dozen tries with 1/5 ssrc

[normal parcel]

With discharge or lava plume I guess melony should really think about using safeguard

[thin wren]

too long

simply avoid getting statused

[normal parcel]

I guess rolling status protection should be the best way

Paralysis is manageable with BP Barry

Burn I guess is manageable if your offensive unit is special and you can afford to roll status protection on your sing spammer

Same for poison I guess

But you can use a physical damage dealer

As long as your damage dealer shouldn't use pokemon moves during the battle

Like psychic wish is fine but psychic terrain isn't

[sullen zephyr]

Just get status immunity ls

[pallid girder]

Bad news! Heat Wave appears in more dc stages: Rock ST, Electric ST & MT, Dark ST.
Good news! Sludge Wave and Acid only appear in that one dc stage respectively.

[lethal siren]

Because only poison types can use sludge wave

[cursive linden]

So the best team for SS Hilda is Melony/SS Hilda/NC Leaf?

Huh, i thought it'll be Colress instead of Melony

[copper otter]

Melony has support ex and sing fails faster

[cursive linden]

Very well

So the team should be like this:

• Try to NOT burn middle

• Use Melony's TM once for Rising Tide's maximum potential

• Use leer 8 times

[vernal condor]

Dont you want to burn all 3 for scorching sync tho

[cursive linden]

B U R N A N I M A T I O N

[copper otter]

My trainer in pasio you HAVE to burn in order for sing to fail

That's the whole point of the team

[cursive linden]

Just burn sides and spam sing on them

most of the times the middle are the one taking actions

[crude sandal]

Why not Rosa

[copper otter]

Haha funny R e l i c s o n g.

[cursive linden]

You know

[crude sandal]

Is this team fast enough?

[cursive linden]

Since NC Leaf is the one sync-ing

y e s

[cursive linden]

This one's better

[copper otter]

Nc leaf should only be syncing once

[cursive linden]

No need to sync with NC Rosa

Not to mention SS Hilda has Supp EXR

[normal parcel]

Doubt melony could keep up with gauge without speed buffs

[crude sandal]

Hey, that's the team I made

The best team I actually theorycrafted

[normal parcel]

I guess NC Rosa should be better

[crude sandal]

Well, they could opt for Catalytic Accelaration on Leaf

[cursive linden]

Now the question is:
Should all 3 be burned or just one of the sides?

[crude sandal]

The team I calced has all of them burnt

[normal parcel]

All 3 burnt gives more damage, but not burning center saves time

I guess not burning center is a good compromise

You save 50% of burn animations

Just don't apply the double rebuff to the center

[cursive linden]

With HE 3:
Not burnt middle: 40%
Burnt BOTH sides: 60% x 60%

[crude sandal]

Also is debuffing the defense really good?

[cursive linden]

Total: 14.4%

THAT'S WITH HE 3

[crude sandal]

Because my team reaches 4M+ without defense debuffs

Assuming Hilda fully crits

[cursive linden]

Wait why?

[vernal condor]

You didnt take into account aoe penality

I think ?

Oh he3 is x4 nvm

[cursive linden]

oh my god............

[normal parcel]

Because you want to apply it to a burnt unit to maximize damage

[cursive linden]

I see

[normal parcel]

Leaf can double rebuff only one unit

Did they use x def turn 3?

[crude sandal]

Have you done the calcs if not burning mid is better than burning all 3?

[normal parcel]

Damage wise ofc isn't better, but I can't know if those seconds will matter or not

[cursive linden]

I don't think dmg calc can think about the timer and animation

I'll try burning ALL

Let's see if it is worth it

And if i fail, i'll just do sides

[normal parcel]

I mean if burning 3 costs you a sync, then isn't worth

[icy scroll]

Not bad!
Or really bad??

[cursive linden]

SC Irida sucks in this mode

[cursive linden]

We'll see

[normal parcel]

They said is possible to get 1m with her

[cursive linden]

I'm gonna be the 'Trial and Error' for this event fr fr

[icy scroll]

Really? Wow!
Let me have a look on document!

[pallid girder]

I heard that she needs 4/5 but idk what for.

[crude sandal]

+8 energy most likely

[normal parcel]

I Don't know much about her because I don't have her

[icy scroll]

SC Irida not being documented for Ghost St!

If someone has a link to SC Irida clear please send it to me!

[copper otter]

Sc irida can get 1 mil, but needs redlax and bp barry

Also 4/5 is needed

[icy scroll]

Oh, that's sad! I can't candy her!

But I will try 3/5

With that team

[copper otter]

You can still try with 3/5 and roll for high skill gears

+reading2

[wispy pagoda]

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[icy scroll]

What?

[vernal condor]

you sent the message after tho

[normal parcel]

What tile she's missing at 3/5 a +25 BP?

[icy scroll]

Do you have the screenshot of her grid?
Currently I am using the +6 Energy grid I guess?!

[copper otter]

Gimme a sec

[normal parcel]

Ofc exr is mandatory, since she's base striker

[copper otter]

The seup chance would be backup to save time instead of redlax's tm

Since his tm takes more time even with sync cd

[normal parcel]

Isn't the attack much slower than relax tm,and only 30%

[copper otter]

It would save time overall with melony sing spamming than barry, but then you would need to put on group slashdash over soften up

[normal parcel]

Plus I guess you want at least tm MPR or the extra buffs to top up blind spot

[copper otter]

Tm mpr can be added instead of the 30% chance on seup if you want to top it off

[normal parcel]

Soften up is more qol than mandatory in 3v1

With redlax I don't think you want to get seun form your attacks

[copper otter]

You can do this Instead of mpr.

The +2 can be added from thud if need be

[normal parcel]

And I guess you want terrify 2 for maxing pecking order in one b move

Group slapdash is bad

[copper otter]

Slapdash is there if you're wanting to use melony

[normal parcel]

A bit unreliable however

[copper otter]

Irida should be the one tanking anyways since evasion

[lapis yarrow]

Will SS Red be the meta tomorrow?

[copper otter]

No

Ss red hasn't been meta since 2022

[vernal condor]

he isnt and wont ever be again

[copper otter]

[vernal condor]

(inb4 ultimate ss red buff)

[pallid girder]

2024 there're ppl still believe in SS Red. Based!

[vernal condor]

That's a weird way of spelling cringe

[normal parcel]

Will be usable if 5/5 but won't be meta

[copper otter]

Right now fire MT meta is looking to be NC Leaf, SS Hilda, NY Wallace and MAYBE SS Hilbert

Huge emphasis on maybe

[normal parcel]

SS Hilbert sucks, his sync is always bug

[vernal condor]

yeah hilbert isnt doing anything ngl

[copper otter]

-2 rebuff on all opponents and metal sound

Do not count him out

[normal parcel]

But techno blast is single target so it will be really slow

[lapis yarrow]

ok noted..don't ask questions in here..

[copper otter]

You're already having to use a b move on nc leaf

[normal parcel]

But at least is AOE rebuff

And she has sun with support ex

[copper otter]

the question was answered

[normal parcel]

I guess metal sound is good for NY Wallace or p2w blue

[lapis yarrow]

there was no need for sarcastic responses from others though..

[normal parcel]

However NC leaf sync is really strong even if single target, so she doesn't sync just for support ex ,sun and rebuff

[pallid girder]

For SC Irida you can also check this one on reddit.
They used SGardenia but if you don't have her just stick to Elio/BP Barry and do the regular spam.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonMasters/comments/1excifq/it_was_hell_but_i_broke_the_12m_i_theorized_was/

[copper otter]

Just to make it as informative for the question

Will SS Red be the Meta for DC? No. His sync damage is mediocre at the start and will have trouble ramping up damage to compete with other units. He'll also need support from a super effective up next unit and sync rusher which will make his damage potential pretty low.

Will he be able to hit 1 mil? That is a Maybe. It really depends on his team members since he requires:
Spdef drops
Seup
Sun
And worse, crit buffs unless you save his tm for after his first sync which won't be for a while unless you have a support to do it for him.

[crude sandal]

And you need to max out Haymaker too

[copper otter]

His tm should be able to do that no?

[crude sandal]

He needs to sync first

Before your supports

[lapis yarrow]

ok ty for this. I still use him but def not as much. I will see what others are using and then attack the DC.

[copper otter]

So yea, same situation as the crit buffs

[copper otter]

If i'm being honest, you'll have more luck with silver ho-oh than ss red

That's how down bad ss red is

[lapis yarrow]

Ok thanks

[pallid girder]

Spdef drop is not mandatory for SS Red tho, since it's not his multiplier.
Btw I think he MUST paired with NC Leaf to reach 1M but I'll be happy if I'm wrong.

[crude sandal]

Leaf will do better in 3v1

But SS May will carry there

[copper otter]

At that point why sync with ss red if you have NC Leaf?

[pallid girder]

I actually think NC Leaf will do better single strike in 3v1.

[copper otter]

Unless she's 1/5 sure

[crude sandal]

Nah, SS May with speed drops and evasion

And she's a sync ramper too

[copper otter]

SS May has to set up but she will defintely be notable

[crude sandal]

Leaf will be there anyways

[pallid girder]

The thing is NC Leaf single striker let she can tech in all other boost tool like SEUN or Circle.

[copper otter]

I'm still going to try out BP Barry/SS Hilbert/ NY wallace

I still have nc leaf juust in case, but i wanna gamba

[thin wren]

believe in gamba

[crude sandal]

Did anyone answer my question in if defense drops is worth for SS Hilda using Leaf?

[thin wren]

I genuinely think Anni Wallace could be the best if someone spams his b move gets 10 smun with every b move

[long silo]

That sounds hell

[crude sandal]

Anni Wallace?

[crude sandal]

Even worse than 30% TM MPR from Mix Blue?

[copper otter]

We've gotten SS Wallace, Anni Wallace and even NC Wallace. I'm done

[thin wren]

Poma is hell

[copper otter]

[thin wren]

*ny Wallace

[long silo]

I would hope he's on Select Scout, but it's unknown if he's even on the scout

[thin wren]

No one remembers ny

[civic island]

0.1% chance to get +10smun

[long silo]

Does he even need that to get 1m? If so I will be going for a different kind of hell

[long silo]

So true!

[thin wren]

So just need to win that 5 times?

[crude sandal]

I mean, if people claim that Mix Blue is the best damage dealer for this next DC, then yeah, he needs to consistently proc TM MPR

[copper otter]

Keep in mind, mind blown has damage mitigation too

[thin wren]

should still do 900k total with sun and rebuff

and seun

[long silo]

I may have time to try that. Bring it

[thin wren]

so just 5 of those should be enough to beat shilda

[crude sandal]

But SS Hilda is still way beyond his league

[pallid girder]

Ppl are just wishing for Wallace getting better treatment, especially when his bf gets that much alts while he's gonna get a mid expansion this month.

[thin wren]

tbf most of Wallace's bf's alts are mid

only ss and sc are good

[copper otter]

It doesn't help that the only alt that wallace gets is a circus outfit. Bolan wonderworld lookin ahh.

[long silo]

I like Blacephalon so I will let it. Lol

[thin wren]

Wallace will always be a clown

[long silo]

But I think his EX color is nice?

[crude sandal]

As a gym leader, as a champion or both?

[copper otter]

Peak Ex colors

[thin wren]

all

[crude sandal]

What's the chance to proc Blue's TM MPR 5 times in a row?

[copper otter]

Getting 5 MFs in a row

[crude sandal]

0.00243%

[thin wren]

what's the chance to proc ny Wallace 10 smun 5 times in a row?

[crude sandal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/583120259708616715/1255888121648644197/1276168428662820864

[thin wren]

eh, not that low

that's the odds for Wallace 10 smun five times in a row?

seems very high

[crude sandal]

Actually, it's 0.243%

[thin wren]

very high

[long silo]

I like my worse shiny odds!

[crude sandal]

You like these odds better?
https://discordapp.com/channels/583120259708616715/1255888121648644197/1276168828673458218

[thin wren]

simply win the gamble

[long silo]

I stand corrected it's better than Masuda!

[crude sandal]

1 in 41,152.263374485596707818930041152 chance

[thin wren]

that's very high

[crude sandal]

Didn't know that 1 in every 40,000 is high

[civic island]

Too bad it will happen when you fail a sync crit

[thin wren]

You just need to reset a bit and get a little lucky

[long silo]

Isn't this the 0.00243% chance

[thin wren]

syncs won't matter if you go Wallace dps

[crude sandal]

I converted 0.243% to decimal

Which is 0.00243

[civic island]

Oh wait doesnt mblue got sure crits

[copper otter]

Wallace's sync is guaranteed to crit with 190k consistent damage to each mon

First sync after suppex btw

[long silo]

Yes

[thin wren]

If this was ranked dc I could genuinely see people go for Wallace 10 smun

[civic island]

Yeah

[long silo]

This is 1/411 tho

[civic island]

Mblue sound p busted, sure crit sun and SEnext

[crude sandal]

Eh, Hilda still kicks his ass

Not even B Move saves him

And he has to constantly TM MPR

[civic island]

Yeah they're the contenders

[crude sandal]

Unlike Hilda who always has SEUN after syncing

[long silo]

He will save me from not having SS Hilda tho

Not true I have NC Leaf but I need to make a point

[copper otter]

What is MBlue's Multipliers?

[civic island]

150%

[vernal condor]

you guys are using someone else than Silver?

[crude sandal]

Solar Flare 5 and Brainpower

[copper otter]

Hmm

[long silo]

Non-EX Silver

Yes

[copper otter]

Along with seup....

[civic island]

Going w either Silver or ncLeaf

[crude sandal]

Only on his TM

[copper otter]

Yea i know

[thin wren]

hilda has 20% more total and more attack

[copper otter]

Just thinkjng rn

[long silo]

So actually if Mix Blue is the team, who will be the teammate

[copper otter]

Ncleaf obv

[crude sandal]

Chase/Melony

[thin wren]

chase and melony

[long silo]

No Chase

[thin wren]

nc leaf is not the play actually

[long silo]

I think Chase just need to show up in my ticket tomorrow

[copper otter]

-2 rebuff
Not the play

[long silo]

Surely that's going to work right

[copper otter]

[crude sandal]

Burn is a hinderance for Blue

[pallid girder]

Ppl think Chase + Melony allow more syncs, which can compensates the rebuff.

[crude sandal]

Well, there's also the circle from Chase

Which also gives SpMUN

And 30% extra sync damage for Blue

[thin wren]

1. It's -2 rebuff on 1 opp only. Other's it's -1
2. If you don't Chase your only other status option will be burn

[long silo]

I do not have Chase so 5 Mix Blue sync will not be feasible for me

[copper otter]

Hmm

[thin wren]

Chase also has sprint exr

and makes gauge very easy for melony

also evasion

and para

[crude sandal]

And you can put 2 sources of Adrenaline on Chase

[thin wren]

kanto circ is the same damage as rebuff iirc

[civic island]

Yeah i feel I'm going single again
Not willingly to invest mBlue role

[long silo]

This assumes NC Blue/Melony. I guess NC Leaf instead of Blue too

[crude sandal]

Same as single rebuff

[thin wren]

yeh

[lethal siren]

Chase, nc leaf and Hilda team?

[crude sandal]

NC Rosa instead of Chase

[normal parcel]

Unironically i think NC leaf by herself should get 1m

[lethal siren]

No nc rosa

[thin wren]

*nc leaf , Hilda and melony for hilda comps

nc rosa makes 6 syncs impossible for that comp imo

[thin wren]

Definitely

[vernal condor]

of course she will

duuh

[crude sandal]

How will you handle the gauges then?

Unless you're gonna grid Leaf's Catalytic Acceleration

[normal parcel]

So SS red in that team.will be pointless

[civic island]

Even 2m
She's going to hit 500k with a SE supp

[thin wren]

You go elio

instead of melony

faster than rosa sing spam

[pallid girder]

Ppl should love Elio more

[crude sandal]

No one loves H-ellio

[normal parcel]

Elio is nice if you need attack buffs (or sp attack if you can't slot chase/NC blue)

[crude sandal]

Elio wouldn't matter for Hilda

[vernal condor]

i hate him since the moment he decided to ruin my runs by proccing his stupid passive too many times

[thin wren]

no

[vernal condor]

60% more like 90% i swear

[normal parcel]

However I feel that Elio is Stil slower than syncing Rolex NC rosa

[thin wren]

He looks kinda mid ngl

[thin wren]

nah

[crude sandal]

Rosa provides MF passive and MUN stacks for Hilda too

And in turn increases Searing Shot at the end

[thin wren]

The final hit having more mun can't be more important than an extra sync

[crude sandal]

It depends on how much time you have anyways

[normal parcel]

I tried both several times, an i don't feel I get extra spare time with elio compared to Rolex rosa

[crude sandal]

So, my theorycrafted team proved to be the best after all

[normal parcel]

Propelling 5 in the end slows down quite a bit

[crude sandal]

[normal parcel]

And 45% accuracy also slows down

[vernal condor]

ppe2

[normal parcel]

Rosa has 65% and can get extra accuracy from tm

[thin wren]

only proc elio passive when you need it

not hard

[vernal condor]

i wish

[crude sandal]

If you get lucky with TM MPR proc from Rosa, then you'll end up with 9 or 10 SpMUN stacks for Hilda

Actually, now that I think about it

[vernal condor]

you don't want rosa to use her tm more than necessary

twice is already too many times

[crude sandal]

If you have enough time, after using Searing Shot, you can use V-Create because she has the PMUN stacks too

Which both combine probably rivals Mix Blue's max powered B Move

[normal parcel]

I mean yes with perfect luck elio should be a bit faster than Rosa, but overall I think it isn't

[crude sandal]

40% chance to not proc Propelling Move

[crude sandal]

It only matters in the end anyways

[pallid girder]

I mean ppl without NC Rosa.
When ppl try Melony and find her gauge cringe they always just go back to and never try

[normal parcel]

But Rosa has more to offer if you don't need the attack/spattack buffs from elio

[crude sandal]

Hilda completes her own buff anyways

[normal parcel]

For units with a good finisher the extra stacks are really important

[crude sandal]

Not to mention she's already at 16 out of 18 total buffs from just using her TM alone

[normal parcel]

Plus Rosa tm helps with rising tide

[long silo]

I know I recently EXed Elio, but forgot who I used him on

[normal parcel]

Hilda I think can get 16/18 by herself

[crude sandal]

I literally just said it

[thin wren]

simply have perfect luck?

[normal parcel]

But even perfect luck doesn't give you the stacks, unless perfect luck means an extra sync

[long silo]

Oh found it

[crude sandal]

You lose potential evasion time gain so yeah

Not to mention there's also the burn animation

[thin wren]

perfect luck means an extra sync yeh

rosa b move takes as much time as a sync

[normal parcel]

I mean if we are talking about perfect luck, then NC Rosa wins, because you can get +2 evasion with relic song and evade all the moves

[thin wren]

dodge every attack without evasion

[normal parcel]

Is possible only if they use inaccurate moves

Or if you are using paralysis and get full para every time

But para isn't part of the equation for SS hilda

[long silo]

Just max roll every damage while you're at it

[normal parcel]

Just use NY Wallace and spam +10 b move dps

[vernal condor]

with wallace i think you still want to rush at least 1 supp sync

[normal parcel]

Yes I guess support ex and then +10 spam

0.1% per move

Maybe double support ex

[thin wren]

true

[thin wren]

eh, if you get lucky with his b move spamming it is better

[vernal condor]

supp sync is literally x2 damage

[thin wren]

you can get one in without sync spamming

[pallid girder]

Can he reach 1M with mostly bmove spam even when he just gets the average SMUN?

[vernal condor]

ok but it's hella slow

[normal parcel]

I guess getting 2 supp ex would be optimal

[vernal condor]

you want to sync with him once for extended sun

[thin wren]

Fair

[sturdy pebble]

I would've gotten another DC pair if I had good sync pairs, but there's nothing more I can do

[normal parcel]

Allister should e able to get 600k

[crude sandal]

I'm not even gonna bother to score this DC

Just gonna get the gems with 0 points

[normal parcel]

I mean doing a proper run is still worth

Even if you don't plan to invest

[crude sandal]

Nah, fuck that

I hate my ghost roster so fucking much that I'll be happy with 0 points

[normal parcel]

I mean even if you score like 100 or 200k you still get 10 or 20 tickets

[crude sandal]

Not worth my time

I will put a lot of effort into tomorrow's DC

[normal parcel]

It's like 3 minutes

[fluid anvil]

SS red is kinda bad here, but he will still easily able to get 1M with the proper team, especially when caked. Maybe 1.5M. I mean even OG steven (lol) was able to get 1M on Steel
NC leaf should also be able to get 1-1.5M by herself even in 3v3
My prediction for Mix blue + Chase + Melony team is - above 3.5M, but under 4M

[sturdy pebble]

I'll rewatch the vid later to see what I did wrong

[prisma quail]

Tomorrow is single fire, And officially 50% of the battles done

When do we get another trio of ranked fights? I want those free 200 points

[rain copper]

No one knows

[fluid anvil]

tomorrow is 3v3 fire

[sharp roost]

Mix blue or SS Hilda?

[fluid anvil]

my bet is Mix blue with Chase

[crude sandal]

SS Hilda with NC Rosa and NC Leaf

[crude sandal]

Me and doom have done the calcs, my team won (SS Hilda)

And also too much RNG with Blue

With TM MPR

[copper otter]

Heres a thought. Don't use ghost units and use poison stall strats.

Ez 100k

Actually. Question...

Has anyone tried Agatha for DC?

She does both para and sleep

[brisk shale]

What can i do with these?

[copper otter]

600k if bp barry is added

[brisk shale]

What's the team?

[copper otter]

Allister/victor/ barry

[vernal condor]

Yeah 2 gauge sleep

Need I to show you how much I struggled spamming a 2 gauge move with 3 fast unit at +6 speed and mga? She isnt doing sht lmao

[brisk shale]

Even with non ex Allister?

[copper otter]

Nonexed is 400k

[vernal condor]

Nah he needs ex
I dont want to ex him so I threw Morty

And got like 450k

[brisk shale]

...my Morty is also not ex

[vernal condor]

Morty NC Blue melony and it's the same strat as the 3v3

[copper otter]

Rip

[vernal condor]

Yeah but he doesnt need ex

He's a strike lol

[fluid anvil]

thats hilarious, since Hilda doesnt have soften-up 1, her RNG with sync crits will be the usual 3v3 hell. Mix blue and NY wallace honestly win just from that alone, their sync crits are guaranteed
anyway i dont think Mix blue + Chase team will even need more than 1-2 SEUNs to beat Hildas best team

[crude sandal]

Funny, you haven't even done your calcs yet

[copper otter]

Ss hilda has the better damage output but more variables with crit not syncing

[crude sandal]

Like I said, me and doom have done our calcs on our teams and SS Hilda, my team, came out on top

[copper otter]

Just because someone has soften up doesn't mean they're going to be the best pick. Where there's risk comes higher rewards.

meanwhile theres me that just wants to gamba 10 smun bc funni

[crude sandal]

80% crit chance is no big deal when I've done SS Diantha clear on 3v1 rock-weal Barry without Soften Up

[copper otter]

Also isn't sshilda's exr support?

[crude sandal]

Yes

[copper otter]

So like.... she's getting more damage out of it anyways

[fluid anvil]

Soften-up 1 is very valuable in 3v3, not something to dismiss.
anyway I disagree that Hilda can do more damage - burn is slow, while with Chase you can have 7-8 syncs

[fluid anvil]

3v1 sync crits and 3v3 sync crits are very different

[crude sandal]

She deals way higher damage than Blue and she has Rosa for sync spam

[copper otter]

Before there's an argument of x unit is better than y unit, lets wait till next reset to see the final results

Better that then starting a war on calcs

[crude sandal]

Ok

[copper otter]

At the end of the day, a lot of fire type units are gonna hit 1 mil which all that really matters

[brisk shale]

Ty

[normal parcel]

In 3v1 soften up is more a qol thing unless there's a lot of extra RNG involved, however in 3v3 is more than just qol, the rolls are too much to just fish for full crits

[sweet grail]

so

[crude sandal]

What?

[sweet grail]

can anyone fill me in

on what's the strongest team so far?

I know one of them is ssr cynthia

[crude sandal]

SC Irida can make it, but she somewhat requires 4/5

[sweet grail]

no sc irida so

just ssr cynthia

i don't see fall allister

[crude sandal]

I don't remember the other units with her

[long silo]

SS Korrina

[frail owl]

victor instead of morty, same supports, you should reach close to 600k

[glossy token]

about to yoink dc marnie bc i think i might need her for allister 2, but before i do: bluekazam is s tier -spdef but has no mgr or gauge assist so hes not a huge priority wrt dc rosters right?

[fluid anvil]

Cynthia is the strongest, SS Korrina is #2, SC Irida is #3

Cynthias strongest team is possibly Fall Allister +Elio, but not sure - you need to get 6 syncs, which is hard .. that same team also works for SS Korrina
the other strong one is NC Blue + Melony

[vernal condor]

i only have 1 fallister clear and it's with korrina lol

[true locust]

Top clear is nc blue cynthia and melony

Fall alister not work whit cynthia like korrina

[brisk shale]

Ty

I forgot I had sp3 on him from uxie solo

[fluid anvil]

it would work barely with amazing rng for shadowballs and paralysis procs (like 2 of them), then you could probably get 6 syncs and 2-2.2M+
but yeah NC blue-Melony is easier

[true locust]

Nobody use it since you need not alot rng but base like 4/5 para

Since need use shadow ball 6 times and rebuff 2 times

And also fall alister have gauge boost when get hit aoe

All this take times

And this team have no speed at all

So gauge will kill it

[left vine]

Thank you Korrina

Wow Ghost is awful

Cynthia sucks

[fluid anvil]

I tried it
shadowball 3 times, not 6 (with perfect rng)
Elio has ~infinite gauge almost like barry/colress with his 60% passive, speed is not a problem with him (surprisingly)
getting 6 syncs is the issue - need para proc rng (and still also need shadowball rng)
But with 6 syncs that team would get over 2M

[fluid anvil]

3/5 Cynthia is better than 3/5 Korrina

[true locust]

Elio is too slow

This guage back take time

[left vine]

Couldn't get her to work, too much RNG

I don't have time to juggle all 56 of her requirements

[fluid anvil]

he is not, I thought he would be, but he isnt.
Elio is slower than Melony obviously, but faster than Barry/colress. And gauge isnt an issue

[left vine]

And no cake for her

[true locust]

Gauhe no issue but he is slow elio

And this is issue

Plus nc blue low def and spe def wat is importan

[last stream]

Is this Korrina caked?

[left vine]

Yes

[last stream]

makes sense

got to 9 sync buffs with about 800k

[left vine]

I hit around 900k by the last sync (don't remember how many sync buffs)

Had 10 seconds to hit 2 regular moves

[unborn otter]

Here’s my progress on pairs

[unborn otter]

who should I 3/5 after wally?

[copper otter]

hold off on candying right now.

like, save all your resources until we get more information on anni units

OH WAIT

go DC Blue

[unborn otter]

[last stream]

Well they might keep adding DC pairs. Unless blue is gonna be the Evelyn of DC

[unique abyss]

Noo, I bought Nemona instead of the second Wally, I hope NC Nate will be better than him in dragon st

[inner parcel]

4/5💀, where is a 1/5 score

[vernal condor]

nowhere because she doesnt do sht at 1/5

better use Morty at that point

[copper otter]

Imagine expecting any unit to 1 mil at 1/5

[unborn otter]

fungi got 1m with 2/5 ss gladion

[vernal condor]

ash

but probably just him lol

maybe jacq and ss gladion too

[fluid anvil]

you can get some 1M at 1/5, but at 3v3 only
not sure about 3v1

maybe Jacq .. maybe

[feral hamlet]

Can I get 1m with 3/5 SSR Cynthia for the current challenge? I'm at 500k right now

[fluid anvil]

sure, but with the right sync rush team + debuff to -6 spdef with shadowballs (usually 3-4), and get all sync crits

[rose basalt]

anyone running mix blue?

if so, can you send a pic of the grid

[fluid anvil]

this

[rose basalt]

just curious tho, why the smun boosts

and not the sync node

[fluid anvil]

to drop the 10 SMUN neo blast burn bomb at the end of the timer

[copper otter]

If sun is up at that time

[rose basalt]

ah

ok

rip

dont have enough orbs left to increase the cap

cant get it

[fluid anvil]

sun will be up, Field WZT lasts the entire match easily
not to mention there is an extra sun from the max move anyway

[pastel bone]

team grids?

@icy pendant how'd the pulls go for NC hop

[rose basalt]

so is weather warrior 3 better?

then

or should i swap for cs2/sp3

[fluid anvil]

for DC just use SP3

[icy pendant]

264 scout points for first copy, have had better for sure

[rose basalt]

and for the sides

im guessing chase

and melony?

[cloud timber]

i imagine ww3 is the same as sp3 if you always have weather up when you're attacking

[fluid anvil]

yeah Mix Blue + Chase + Melony
but you need mix Blue to be caked and Chase is preferable to be caked

[rose basalt]

both are caked

2/5 chase tho

[fluid anvil]

you have them both at 3/5 ? (Chase and Mix blue)

ah

[pastel bone]

any attempts for this dc yet?

[icy pendant]

about to start

probably going to start with sc irida and see if I can 1m with her, to save the tech candy for a potential hop 3/5

[pastel bone]

dang I have sc irida but 1/5 and not ex/exr

[icy pendant]

mine's 4/5 and I hear that's the pivotal move level presumably for overcap (I was the top SC Irida scorer I know of from 3v3 and I kinda see it)

[pastel bone]

ah

well, I'll try to candy her after ss lana

or if I get her from remix, that'd be better

[icy pendant]

760k on first attempt with irida including a missed crit, I think I'll just candy Cynthia for this one I have 2 omni candies anyway

[wise dune]

SS Gladion handily scores 2M at 1/5, only at 3v3 tho

[feral hamlet]

This is worse than my last score. Is this her ceiling?

[pallid girder]

NC Marnie also scores 1M in 3v3 at 1/5.
Pretty sure 1/5 NC Cheren will do the same in 3v3 too.

[fluid anvil]

her current top score is 1.9M+, so no
and thats a bad team for DC

[feral hamlet]

Then what is a good team? All I hear is how you need to sing spam and you can't do it without a paralyzer. So what do I do?

[icy pendant]

you need a paralyzer with speed buffs to pair with melony

[feral hamlet]

Gauge is not an issue here

[fluid anvil]

use nc blue (with Melony) if you have him
otherwise use BP barry + something that debuffs Spdef

you never ever use melony and colress together, that serves no purpose

[copper otter]

Someone used NC hop for this DC

[feral hamlet]

Spdef debuff for the weak shadow balls I shouldn't be using? Which also drop the stat anyway?

[cloud timber]

enabling smarty pants

maxes out that multiplier

[icy pendant]

and idealy you want as many defense drops as you can muster because her sync is physical

[copper otter]

Lenora can also work here

[cloud timber]

ideally you get both debuffs but if you have to pick one or the other spdef is better

[feral hamlet]

So if I do NC Blue and Melony, what's NC Blue's role here? Paralyze and speed?

[cloud timber]

yes

and if 3/5 he debuffs on sync

ssr cynthia nc blue melony is straight up the best team (that we know of)

[feral hamlet]

Oh I don't have him 3/5

Seems like Colress but worse

First sync does 100k. Second sync does 200k. The battle is over.

[pallid girder]

Only 2 syncs from SSRCynthia in this team sounds SUPER wrong 0.0

[unborn otter]

Skill issue

[copper otter]

Can we not.

@feral hamlet are you running out of gauges or syncing with melony first?

Like that seems off if you're only doing two syncs

[cloud timber]

your first sync can do 400k alone if you remember to use shadow force before sync

before they sync, to preserve the seun you get

with cs2

ok well 347k first sync here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWSDtd1xl1A

[copper otter]

Follow a @feral hamlet

[pastel bone]

lmk the guide

when you get to 1M

[cloud timber]

also i'll get the grids

[pallid girder]

It won't be 347k when their NC Blue is not 3/5 tho.
Prob 200~300k depending on how lucky they roll from SSRCynthia's shadow ball.

[cloud timber]

for first sync it won't matter, 3/5 just gets the debuffs out faster and can net an extra sync

[feral hamlet]

Wait, what's this part about?

[cloud timber]

shadow force preparation turn gives you seun

if they sync it cancels the actual attack so you have seun for sync

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=025500013100&s0=3&l0=140&r0=6&p0=0&a0=0&t0=44444&g0=AAECAwQFGhsdHyAhJQ&v1=009102048700&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13010602&t1=44444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFCxMVGBobIyUpKi0uLw&v2=002103014500&s2=2&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=0&t2=44444&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFBgcICg0REiUn

i had ppe2 on melony and mg2 and 3/5 tiles for blue but those aren't necessary

[icy pendant]

enemy only lets you sync cancel once right?

[cloud timber]

yes

[pallid girder]

btw if now it's 1.9M I don't she can break 2M in the end.

Ghost 3v1 would be the second lowest 3v1 for now.

[cloud timber]

yea quite late to still be sitting at below 2m if it was going to happen

[teal harness]

triple fire huh, I wonder how good 1/5 victini hilda can go

but the f2p team very likely will use silver ho-oh

[cloud timber]

ss morty has some stuff to cut down aaron's setup so aaron gaming again maybe

[lusty galleon]

on that hypothetical M Blue team, which would be the sides?

Chase + M Blue +...?

[cloud timber]

why wouldn't it be melony

[lusty galleon]

no idea

which is why I ask, as it could be Elio too

[thin wren]

nah, chase maintains gauge well enough to afford melony

[lusty galleon]

I did run into a bit of gauge problem

with Chase + Melony + NY Dawn

[pallid girder]

Elio is and will always only be the pick when (a) dd needs Rising Tide but suck at maxing it (b) the gauge is super horrendous so Melony becomes worse than even BPBarry

[cloud timber]

yeah i wouldn't know mix blue specifically but melony + chase has been successful

[thin wren]

iirc mix blue grabs speeding sun as well on grid

[lusty galleon]

on the one I was looking up there

nope..

[lusty galleon]

with this one

[thin wren]

still gauge should be enough

[fluid anvil]

its always Melony with Chase, unless maybe its Psychic or Fighting

[lusty galleon]

aight, then I did my calc well with that situation

[fluid anvil]

there was a 2M 3v1 Poison clear ? any link ?

[lusty galleon]

even when I have a 5/5 M Blue, my 3/5 SS Hilda does more with other 2 possible teams

[brisk shale]

Also I think someone mentioned 5/5 SS hilbert for -2 rebuff, -6 sp.def

[pallid girder]

Most ppl meet a bit gauge issue with Melony.
But if it's not a big deal they just use a TM to buy time for the gauge to refill.

[lusty galleon]

is not an abyssal gauge problem, but you can "get it" in some circumstances

[fluid anvil]

SS Hilbert isnt optimal needing to attack 3 times + 3 times metal sound

in general the best team will be either M.Blue+Chase +Melony or ~something with NC Leaf.
anything else is a lot worse

[lusty galleon]

100% doubt it'll be M Blue

[fluid anvil]

SS Hilda havers are underestimating M.Blue a lot

[lusty galleon]

here

[thin wren]

In the calcs Hilda seemed to hit a lot harder even with 1 less sync

[lusty galleon]

but then again, is all just scenarios until we can test

[thin wren]

why do most of the m blue syncs not have seun?

[lusty galleon]

or well, I could do test to see if I can get the scenarios to work in my game...

[thin wren]

he has infinite seun

[lusty galleon]

SEUN is the seun...

the TM one

the scenario counts both Sunny + Kanto Circle (2)

unless you do put SEUN in all the syncs

[thin wren]

the tm has mpr

you can get it before every sync

[lusty galleon]

yeah, that's one thing I was taking into consideration too

but the TM does take time + build up

I don't know how well you can fish for it or how much it impacts the timer

[thin wren]

me and caster actually did some calcs assuming optimal scenario. Lemme find the message

[lusty galleon]

my only problem is... how much SEUN he can get without impacting the timer

[thin wren]

That's why mix blue was given only 1 more sync in testing

mix Blue has chase remember?

he came dodge and para

lemme find the discussion

[lusty galleon]

I was also thinking on that scenario with NC Bianca + SS Hilda in with the evasion

the problem is that Colress takes too much time

[fluid anvil]

thx

[pallid girder]

It's not the best score btw. I just quickly grab the one I can find.
The team prob score higher bc ppl try harder in the ranked dc.

[thin wren]

from here the discussions and calcs start

[thin wren]

burn makes dodge do a lot less tho..

[lusty galleon]

I didn't consider burn in the grid

[pallid girder]

I don't think the remaining 3v1 dc would score lower than 2M.

[lusty galleon]

is just the full nodes + Super Syncer 9

[thin wren]

damage should be close still

[thin wren]

@fluid anvil you also wanted the calcs right?

[fluid anvil]

doesnt Biancas evasion buffing require HER to attack ?
Assistant’s Observations
Raises the Speed and evasiveness of all allied sync pairs by 1 stat rank when the user’s attack move is successful.
you're not attacking with her - so no evasion

[pallid girder]

When ppl use NC Bianca outside fighting team they do still attack with her for flinch fishing and def debuff

[fluid anvil]

Steel and Ice might, not sure about Dark

[fluid anvil]

but why do you need her def debuffing when you have -2 AoE from colress
attacking with her seems a time waste (maybe in 3v1 its ok, but 3v3 ??)

[pallid girder]

I don't t have her. I just rmb seeing someone attack with her 3 times on each opponents and flinch every time. Gain +3 eva and save Colress 1 turn.

[thin wren]

only for 3v1 usually

[lusty galleon]

if you manage to get the 3 MPRs with Blue, you do get very high, but have anyone tested how it is with the timer?

biggest advantage is just using sing x 7* and then TM on Blue

guess the first 2 TM's will take longer as it raises the Attack

[fluid anvil]

I hope that there even are enough people with 3/5 caked Mix Blue + 3/5 caked Chase to be able to get scores for that team to compare with Wallace/Hilda
a lot of people dont even have Chase at all, much less 3/5 .. and M.Blue is a paid only pair

[lusty galleon]

I have both lol

[fluid anvil]

at 3/5 ?

[lusty galleon]

3/5 EX R Chase and 5/5 M Blue

just not caked Blue

and I was doing the calcs to see if I could commit to it or not

I also have NY Wallace, but 2/5

[fluid anvil]

well Blue has to be caked, otherwise there's no point in him in DC, you lose AoE sync = 3x less damage

[lusty galleon]

yeah, but doesn't mean I can't "try it"

I can record how it goes in terms of time

all depends in how many syncs I can get with him at the end...

yet again, I could get 8 syncs and have some spare time vs ST Ghost with NY Dawn

the only problem... is that AoEs are more annoying in 3v3

specially if they hit Chase

[fluid anvil]

7 syncs (9 sync buffs) is the norm with Chase+Melony teams .. 8 (with 10 sync buffs) is definitely possible too, but you would probably have to skip using his 10 SMUN B-move then

[thin wren]

you can use it in the last frame

[lusty galleon]

paralyzed opponents in single target makes it easy to get into the 8 syncs

10 sync buffs?

[thin wren]

chase has dodge so you can also dodge to get 8 syncs in

[fluid anvil]

I used Chase + Melony + SS Cynthia on 3v3 Dragon and easily got 7 syncs (9 sync buffs) + 1-2 last attacks each time.
Should be the same here (even better for gauge since Blue has speeding sun 2)

[lusty galleon]

hmm yeah, 2 support + 5 syncs seems the norm there

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[lusty galleon]

yeah, the paralysis to proc means that you don't need the enemy to fail... so the "sleep" bonus will never be met

just try the run with that, 80 Atk is good already, if you are going to fish for Bonuses, do it on the Bandanna if anything

or the Pin if you don't have an attack bonus* in there?

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[lusty galleon]

attempt with those then

[pastel bone]

hmm

yeah don't know how to get to 1M

getting 673k

This my max now so far

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[lethal siren]

Replacement for nc rosa?

[crude sandal]

That's tough

Neither Melony nor Elio can have the gauges to manage it

Unless you grid Leaf for Catalytic Acceleration

[thick stump]

elio could probably do it since he has propelling move

[crude sandal]

Even if it wastes time?

[thick stump]

[crude sandal]

You might need Speedy Entry on Leaf and Elio

[crude sandal]

Or like I said, Catalytic Acceleration on Leaf

[pallid girder]

Propelling is Elio's base. You will never need speed support with him.

It's like his biggest pros and cons at the same time.