Damage Challenge

[thin wren]

how good is water at smun stacking

pretty sure fairy is the best type at smun stacking

[pallid girder]

SS Kris can compress rain & +2 SMUN in 1 TM (by chance tho).

[cloud timber]

1 smun on sync, 30% on every limited move, and one per tm under rain

and she has sync burst so she gets a third use of her tm without gridding mpr

you can use full health mini potion all to roll another 30%

in a real run i think you'd use 1 mini potion all from full health, 2 rain dances, and 1 tm if you're not solely looking to stack smun

[thin wren]

maybe lyss can get something close to 4 mill

if you can get lyss to 10 smun and seun he probably gets 3 mil on heat hydro pump

[cloud timber]

he has super sync 9 so getting the seun is free

[slender venture]

And he burns, so can afford a sing spammer

[crude sandal]

Well, he also has SEUN upon using his B Move

[thin wren]

ss kris plus sing spammer plus lyss optimal for water real?

[cloud timber]

lyss/ss kris/melony has been the plan yes

can stack racing rains for gauge

[thin wren]

thought dahlia was the plan?

[cloud timber]

for me

[thin wren]

ah ok

ss glad at least proved that if the burst dps is extremely high with 10 mun, it can beat the nukers

[crude sandal]

What will be the optimal team with Dahlia?

On 3v3 water-weak

[thin wren]

how much rain does dahlia have

[crude sandal]

Once

With extension 5

[thin wren]

how many seconds is that again

[slender venture]

100

[thin wren]

so 1 minute and 40 seconds

[pallid girder]

Prob the standard NC Blue + melony?

[crude sandal]

And she needs Teeter Dance for her multiplier

[thin wren]

does dahlia give herself seun?

[crude sandal]

Superduper 4 when using Muddy Watter

50/50 chance tho

[thin wren]

nc blue does help with interference sync sometimes

I think either redlax , melony dahlia or nc blue dahlia melony will be optimal for dahlia comps

[pallid girder]

No you'd better just Teeter Dance.

[thin wren]

it remains to be seen if lyss can burst high enough to beat dahlia

[thin wren]

oh right nc blus only flinches on discharge

[cloud timber]

yea i'd see best as being nc blue dahlia melony

[crude sandal]

He has 3 nukes actually

1st is his sync. 2nd is his B Move and if you have enough time, 3rd nuke is his regular Steam Eruption with 3 or more SpMUN stacks and SEUN

He will need rain tho

5/5 grid would look something like this
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/19601/72100?s=5&l=150&r=6&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFCwwPEhUXGh0gJSgtLzI&x=true

[pallid girder]

SS Kris is his perfect partner in DC.
I'll use Elio and fish for some aoe spdef drop (with score lol) as well.

[crude sandal]

Actually, this is better
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/19601/72100?s=5&l=150&r=6&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFCwwPEhUXGh0gLS8yNDU&x=true

[nova remnant]

Improving a lil bit

[thin wren]

Miss?

[crude sandal]

I'm wondering what are your teams for 3v3 fire-weak next week

[nova remnant]

None

[normal parcel]

Probably mix red for the whales, SS Hilda and NC leaf for the f2p players that have them, and I guess silver for the rest of the f2p

Maybe 5/5 SS red may do something

Silver should be the best f2p unit
SS Hilda the best available unit for f2p
Mix red the best unit

[crude sandal]

Really? Because I was thinking of NC Leaf/SS Hilda/Melony

As the actual best comp

[normal parcel]

For non whales definitely

[pallid girder]

Mix Blue not mix Red.

[normal parcel]

The Charizard one

I mean I have problem remembering an unit that for me technically doesn't even exists

[vagrant ivy]

roll for +10 smun on ny wallace b-move for fire 3v3

trust

[normal parcel]

P2w blue has b move too

[vagrant ivy]

i'll prob use my 3/5 ss red or 3/5 ny wallace

[pallid girder]

NC Blue + Melony + Silver

[crude sandal]

Is Blue actually better than Hilda?

[normal parcel]

I guess p2w blue still has the advantage of 100% crit

For AOE it matters

[crude sandal]

Because Hilda has Super Syncer 9

[cloud timber]

for me ss red/ss morty/elio and fish for heat wave burn at the start maybe lol

[normal parcel]

I think blue has more sync multipliers ad field ex

[crude sandal]

And NC Leaf is the 2nd sync

[crude sandal]

Hilda has Rising Tide and Scorching Sync

[normal parcel]

Yes but scorching sync isn't that great

[crude sandal]

Tell that to Gordie

[normal parcel]

Ideally you just want 1 side burnt

So burn procs much less

[teal haven]

oh I understand. unfortunately Im a perfectionist and the idea of not doing something as efficiently as possible keeps me awake at night

[normal parcel]

Without 5/5 is also hard to burn all of them

[crude sandal]

4/5

[normal parcel]

However 80% crit hurts a lot for AOE

Maybe SS Hilda could score the same as p2w blue, but it will be miserable

[crude sandal]

If you're going to burn, then you might as well grid HE4 on NC Leaf's B Flare Blitz

[cloud timber]

soften up being ss red's saving grace

[normal parcel]

That's s possibility but are you using leaf b move early on?

[crude sandal]

You have Solar Sync on her anyways

And if you're using Mix Blue, sun duration won't be an issue anyways

[normal parcel]

But with extension I think you still have to sync with her 3rd if you want to have sun till the end

[crude sandal]

But, if you want to make the msot out of your sun, you'd sync with SS Hilda first (if she has EXR) then NC Leaf for Solar Sync

[normal parcel]

But If you sync with Hilda 3rd you may want to grid for her nuke

[pallid girder]

Technically Mix Blue has SEUN on himself for every sync too.
You just need to roll his TM MPR2 every time. Easy (x)

[crude sandal]

This is Mix Blue with the following:

• 4 sync buffs
• SEUN
• +6 Sp. Atk.
• -2 Sp. Def.
• -2 fire rebuff (ST)
• Sun
• With EXR

This is SS Hilda with the following:

• 4 sync buffs
• No SEUN
• +6 Atk.
• -2 Def.
• -2 fire rebuff (ST)
• Sun
• With EXR

[normal parcel]

Why no seun?

Isn't her selling point?

[crude sandal]

Because Super Syncer 9 hasn't triggered yet

Also this is 3/5 Mix Blue vs. 4/5 SS Hilda

Hilda has the upper hand by a massive margin in the later time compared to Blue

And you need to waste time fully setting up Blue by using Melony's TM

[normal parcel]

However Hilda has to deal with 3 burnt units for maximum potential

However I think burning just the 2 rebuff one (a side) is probably a good compromise

[crude sandal]

Which is why 4/5 is needed unless you're willing to waste time gambling using NC Leaf's B Move

[safe prawn]

Hilda has the supp ex stuff which is adding up

[normal parcel]

I think that not burning the center may still be optimal

Burn won't trigger half of the times and you will still have 2/3 burnt targets

[crude sandal]

This is SS Hilda's sync after fully setting up everything (6 sync buffs)

[normal parcel]

If you burn just a side burn will trigger only once in 4 moves

[crude sandal]

Mix Blue's sync after fully setting up everything (5 sync buffs)

[normal parcel]

I guess optimal blue team probably wants chase instead of leaf

And I guess it may end up sneaking an extra sync so that may make him optimal

Blue has his own sun so leaf is only there for rebuff and leer

But I guess Kanto circle with extra smun stacks is better for him

Hilda still wants leaf for the sun

Plus having paralysis instead of burn is optimal for blue

On paper Hilda hits harder, but I guess blue can afford a better team

[crude sandal]

Who will sync spam here?

For Mix Blue

[sacred badger]

Ive got mix blue 3r

[normal parcel]

I guess NC Rosa or melony

[crude sandal]

No NC Leaf?

[pallid girder]

Funnily for ppl who pull mix scout everyday, they're more than likely ro have 5/5 Mix Blue rather than 4/5 SS Hilda.

[normal parcel]

For p2w blue I guess best team is chase + melony/NC Rosa

For Hilda, is NC leaf

What x item does fire weak use?

[civic island]

xDef

[normal parcel]

Another point for p2w blue

Definitely a big disadvantage for SS Hilda

[crude sandal]

Does it really matter when you've seen the calcs?

SS Hilda hits significantly harder than Blue

Even with X Defense All, she still wins

[thin wren]

mix red for fire??

[normal parcel]

Did you tried to calc with chase instead?

[crude sandal]

What's the team? NC Leaf/NC Blue/Chase?

[normal parcel]

I meant the Charizard p2w unit

[normal parcel]

P2w blue, melony , chase

[crude sandal]

What move level is chase? 3/5?

Or 5/5 for Mind Games?

[normal parcel]

Yes but whales can afford 5/5

We are talking about a p2w unit after all

[thin wren]

no seun?

[crude sandal]

What am I saying? There's no point in gridding Mind Games

[crude sandal]

There is

Also Chase has Team Grand Entry 2 so Blue is already fully set up

[thin wren]

hilda multipliers are rising tide scorching sync(what number?) and seun

mix blue has brainpower, solar flare 5 and seun

[civic island]

120 + 50

[crude sandal]

Blue's SEUN is only on his TM unlike Hilda who applies it every sync

[slender venture]

You have to compare the stats too

[crude sandal]

I compared them both at 150

[thin wren]

??his tm has mpr right?

[thin wren]

so hilda has 20% more multipliers but compresses nothing. Let's compare attacking stats now

[civic island]

How compress nothing

[thin wren]

aside from seun

[crude sandal]

SS Hilda can somewhat provide gauges for Melony

[thin wren]

so Hilda has 114 more attack than mix blue

[crude sandal]

Actually

[civic island]

I mean you get SEup each sync
Burn allows to spam sing and supp exr stacks faster buffs
You cam bring ncLeaf for rebuff, debuffs and sun

[crude sandal]

NVM, you might as well just wait for gauges, but maybe she can provide gauge for Melony using Searing Shot

[thin wren]

now , how many syncs does shilda get in considering leaf needs to Blitz or sync for sun

[crude sandal]

That depends on how long you can maintain Sing spam

[thin wren]

doesn't blue also burn?also he can run Chase to be able to use melony

[crude sandal]

The reason why Chase is there is to paralyze

Blue has no burn multipliers

[thin wren]

assuming 7 total syncs, melony gets 1 and how are the 6 between leaf and Hilda divided?

[thin wren]

yeh true but if you want to you could run nc leaf for more multipliers from her rebuff if needed . Chase is probably better tho

[civic island]

I would sync w ncLeaf then ssHilda (both caked)

[crude sandal]

Nah, SS Hilda then NC Leaf

[thin wren]

So after 2 ss hilda syncs you nc leaf sync again or nc leaf b move?

[crude sandal]

So that SS Hilda's streak of Super Sync 9 along with sun will continue

It goes like this:
Melony -> SS Hilda -> NC Leaf -> SS Hilda (all the way)

[civic island]

First sync w 0 sync buffs isn't quite low?

[normal parcel]

I guess leaf should be 3rd sync, sun won't last with drought alert 3 if you sync second

Problem is drought alert 3 and not 5 so not enough if you sync second

[thin wren]

after 2 ss hilda syncs won't sun run out and then you b move ig?

[civic island]

You still have bmove if there's enough time

First sync with hilda would be w/o sun and 0 sync buffs

And if you use ncLeaf bmove you can delay it for later anyways

[normal parcel]

Shouldn't 1st sync be melony?

[thin wren]

so how many powered up syncs does shilda actually get in assuming 7 total syncs

3-4?

[civic island]

Delaying too much isn't always good
You're dealing with burned enemies

[thin wren]

now, thanks to chase is it fair to assume mix blue gets in 1 more sync?

[civic island]

Probably, para, dodge

Spam faster

[thin wren]

Also sprint support ex and no burn

[civic island]

At least one

[thin wren]

also better at providing speed for melony

[civic island]

Maybe 2

[shadow zealot]

Is nemonq next reset?

[thin wren]

now, blue syncs at least 6 times out of 8

[crude sandal]

Nemona is on Sunday

[civic island]

Yes

[crude sandal]

Yeah, she's tomorrow

[thin wren]

do we think the extra syncs give him the edge over ss hilda even if ss Hilda syncs harder?

oh and mix blue also has finally 300k b move

[crude sandal]

Mix Blue and Chase have an advantage in sync spamming

[thin wren]

also a lot smoother with melony

[crude sandal]

SS Hilda team will require you to have Speedy Entry 2 on both NC Leaf and Melony

[thin wren]

blue at least gets in 2 more actual syncs than hilda in

[civic island]

I think that's too much time, hilda starting dealing damage at the the 4th sync

If both hilda n ncleaf are caked 4 sync buffs are enough

[thin wren]

I think the team barely gets in 7 total syncs

while blue gets in 8 and minimum and syncs 6 times out of those 8

[crude sandal]

Is anyone planning to use Searing Shot with SS Hilda to manage gauges

[thin wren]

isn't searing shot kinda long?

I don't see that team getting anything over 7

[crude sandal]

If you get good skill gear, then I think SS Hilda won't need to use Searing Shot

+30 speed on all your units

Or unless you grid Leaf's Catalytic Acceleration

And another reason why NC Leaf should be 3rd sync

Catalytic Acceleration

[sacred flower]

the damage list sheet doesn't have Mix Blue numbers at all, right?

[civic island]

Or simply going ncRosa if not syncing w supp

[thin wren]

~~nc Nate shilda and melony when ~~

[civic island]

Btw ssHilda will just dominate pretty much

[thin wren]

eh

Mix Blue will beat her because of more syncs imo

[crude sandal]

Not when Catalytic Acceleration exists

[thin wren]

with good dodge rng you probably get in 9 syncs as well

[thin wren]

? the shilda team still has a lot of animations doesn't it?

also no dodge

[crude sandal]

Ask today's DC if they needed dodge to get the top score

[civic island]

Burn is burn, para cut speed
That's why I'm really not confident abt the syncs

[thin wren]

fairy dc didn't sync spam at all tho

[lethal siren]

Do we need 5/5 penny for 5m?

[crude sandal]

There is 2 sync spammer, in the form of EXR

And also Adrenaline on one of them for -6 sync CD

[thin wren]

ss glad hits so much harder than anything else that it doesn't go the traditional sync spam route

[civic island]

Btw gl I'm going with Silver unless selects comes out the last day

[thin wren]

fairy team results can't really be used for anything in this comparison as both comps go the sleep spammer route

[lethal siren]

If only nc nate bmove wasn't split
Would he be better?

[thin wren]

Eh

[crude sandal]

He was already the best unit in ranked DC

[thin wren]

probably enough for 5 mil but not beating ss glad 5.6 mil

[lethal siren]

If he had non split bmove?

[crude sandal]

He would improve by margins, leaving an even further gap

[lethal siren]

Yea

[thin wren]

nc Nate could probably hit 5 mil in normal aoe dc if his b Move wasn't split

[crude sandal]

Actually, you're right.

[civic island]

Gladion bmove 250% multipliers will be are hard to replicate

Unreduced dmg

[crude sandal]

Rosa can also help to potentially complete SS Hilda's Rising Tide

[sacred flower]

supposed single DC will be Alt Iris for dragons

[crude sandal]

I thought it was Lucas?

[thin wren]

nah, not iris

slightly stronger sync but doesn't compress dragon zone or seun

lucas compresses both

[crude sandal]

Doesn't Lucas also have X Speed+ to help with Sing spam?

[civic island]

Yu0

Also he's really fast

And draconic accel may be on the way for other nodes

Nah it's too far

[crude sandal]

So yeah, I think that best for 3v3 fire-weak is:
NC Leaf/SS Hilda/NC Rosa

Rosa takes advantage of Catalytic Acceleration from Leaf along with the speed buff from her TM

[thin wren]

I think Blue, Chase and melony will be the play

more syncs in despite them being slightly weaker

[crude sandal]

Well, Rosa has Sing spam along with sprint EXR

Also has Potion spam at the beginning

[thin wren]

Chase has para and dodge

and allows melony to spam without worry

[crude sandal]

Rosa has a MF passive to boost Hilda's V-Create at the end; also along with PMUN stacking that comes with Hilda's Super Sync 9

[thin wren]

nc Blue will still hit harder with his final b move

smun from chase and aoe no split

[crude sandal]

And also, don't forget Rosa can perform dodging strats too if she procs +2 evasion in her B Move

And if this stat buff procs, this serves to complete Rising Tide for SS Hilda

Hilda has 16 total buffs by just using her TM

Actually, Hilda has complete Rising Tide with Rosa just using her TM alone

[thin wren]

chase does it a lot better and doesn't need to waste 10 seconds to do it

[crude sandal]

Blue has to proc TM MPR to get SEUN

While Hilda only needs to sync

[fluid anvil]

mix Blue Chase Melony will be the best Fire 3v3

[crude sandal]

How many syncs can they go?

[fluid anvil]

7 easily, maybe 8

[crude sandal]

What's the damage?

[thin wren]

trade 1 rng for another

[thin wren]

8 for sure

[crude sandal]

Have you calced the damage for each sync on your main DD?

[fluid anvil]

Wait, mix blue even has SEUN on his TM ?? yeah its the best team for sure with him
either SS Hilda or NY Wallace will be #2

[crude sandal]

Are you willing to have the patience to MPR proc it?

[thin wren]

will do a bit later

[thin wren]

he even has easy to get mpr

[crude sandal]

If Blue will sync 6 times, then he must need 5 MPR procs

[thin wren]

7 syncs isn't too unlikely

[pallid girder]

But ig Gloria's best score also needs tm mpr and she's even worse bc it's mpr1, so maybe there will be ppl who're willing to suffer.

[civic island]

Mpr1 AND after her first sync

So you can't reset fishing

Pure pain

[pallid girder]

We need a support with team refresh 20% chance up (make all mpr chance add 20%) or sth like this lol

[thin wren]

as long as it's not a 0% chance

[civic island]

With para

[thin wren]

and aoe omni rebuff

-2

[civic island]

Sprint ofc

[thin wren]

and sing with fuel economy

support sprint

[civic island]

Larry was close to it, damn boy

[hollow whale]

Single ghost next… I think SSRynthia can still do it

[pallid girder]

Would prob be SSRCynthia > SS Korrina > the rest

[hollow whale]

How’s SCIrida’s nuke?

[thin wren]

not stronger than the techs

[hollow whale]

Gotcha

[cursive saddle]

we're getting closer and closer to DC water, fire, and grass

[pallid girder]

Red + Elio + Allister
Elio + CIris + Fall Morty

I'm gonna try these two.

[civic island]

Triple water early sept
Watch dena creating panic w Mix Leaf n Blastoise

[cursive saddle]

i believe shiny suicune will take the throne

Tech+Striker

[civic island]

Dahlia should be stupid strong

[hollow whale]

Man

[crude sandal]

@thin wren @fluid anvil I've gotten my early calcs now with my presumed best team for fire 3v3. What about yours?

[hollow whale]

I’m choosing between Cerena or DGloria for water

[loud cedar]

im gonna stick with ogkris for 3v3 water..

[cloud timber]

i'm kinda hoping just to hit 3m with ss lysandre but i'm not totally confident

[fluid anvil]

Dahlia will be good, but wont beat Gladion 😦

[crude sandal]

I'm sure he will

[cursive saddle]

gladion got the help of fairy zone

[pallid girder]

It's either between SS Lys or Dahili imo.

[cursive saddle]

so far we dont have water zone, or i dont remember who has water zone

[crude sandal]

Well, SS Kris will be key for water teams

[fluid anvil]

its not close at all. Dahlia wins easily. just a question of whats her max

[cloud timber]

rain boosts water moves so it takes the place of water zone

[crude sandal]

LySSandre allows for sync spam with Melony due to him burning

[cloud timber]

zones are just to make up for all the types that weren't fire and water with sun and rain

[cursive saddle]

but imagine, rain plus water terrain will be more boost

[pallid girder]

Well rebuff and circle kinda IS the additional dmg boost on top of WTZ.

So I dont really like the idea of water zone.

[cloud timber]

his runs can get to 7 sync buffs which isn't a high amount on its own these days but gladion only got to 5

idk if you even go for second support sync

[cursive saddle]

SS kris is coming to return with its field ex unlocked coming soon

unless the devs decides to give a different ex role to ss kris

[crude sandal]

This is what I got for my fire team (this is total and final using sync only; this is without using V-Create):
3741085, 3785699, 3828311, 3870923, 3913535, 3956147, 3998759, 4041373, 4083984, 4126593, 4169207

[pallid girder]

I feel like they're gonna break the trend and make her field support.
Mix Red and Mix Blue are basically SS Leaf and SS Red remake in 2024 standard, so Mix Leaf will be SS Blue remake which field striker won't fit.

[civic island]

Just hope she won't be relevant (if she ever happens)
Imagine having 3 days w max 9 pulls x day to get her

[hollow whale]

Giving SS Ethan and Lyra Field EXR consecutively then skipping KriSS is such a power move LMAO

[crude sandal]

Who's the best for 3v1 water?

[fluid anvil]

cerena or Dahlia

[real wind]

NC Serena?

[crude sandal]

Dragon-weak Shauna will be perfect time to release either one of the Paldea box legends or Hassel

In time for anni too

[real wind]

So SSR Cynthia still the option for 3v1 Ghost? (Just like in 3v3 Ghost)

[fluid anvil]

I am 80%+ certain that anni will be the OG champ trio (Lance-Steven-Cynthia) with their aces being/becoming Masterfairs.
it lines up with Dragon-Ground-Steel CS weaknesses and with Ground-Dragon HSE
and the last 3 story chapters were about them

[fluid anvil]

Of course

[crude sandal]

My ghost roster sucks fuck, so I'm not sure who to use

[real wind]

and then f2p-ish option is like Allister (probably performing similar to Gordie; Sync+Max Move)

[pallid girder]

Oh thx to that chart I rmb NY Dawn exists lol.
Maybe she can do 1M too?

[fluid anvil]

allister definitely wont get gordie numbers, in fact he might struggle to get 1M
but yeah he is the f2p option

[real wind]

I mean (For f2p-ish option) it's either Allister, Agatha, Acerola and maybe Helena

[thin wren]

one minute

[thin wren]

what modifiers?

[crude sandal]

Mine is with 9 sync buffs

0 defensive debuffs

Actually, SS Hilda is split

From 2 sync buffs then to 6, then 7 until 9

[thin wren]

Wait, the numbers you posted are for your final sync only right?

[crude sandal]

Overall dealt

[thin wren]

so it's all your syncs?

[crude sandal]

Yes, without including V-Create

[thin wren]

lemme go from 4 sync buffs to 9 then

[crude sandal]

That's what I did

Went from 2 sync buffs to 6-9

[thin wren]

you did split the syncs between nc leaf and hilda there right?

[crude sandal]

Yes

[thin wren]

and only counted their st damage?

[crude sandal]

No, I only accounted for SS Hilda's syncs in my calcs

Leaf's sync is irrelevant

[crude sandal]

Which means, you should only account for Mix Blue's syncs

[thin wren]

idt ss Hilda gets all those syncs in if you want sun. Nc leaf must sync 1-2 times there

[crude sandal]

Also I accounted the rebuff calcs for the sides

[thin wren]

he doesn't need anyone else to sync to maintain sun for him so was gonna do that

isn't nc leaf rebuff aoe?

[crude sandal]

Yeah, but NC Leaf has -2 after she syncs for ST

And -1 to the rest

[thin wren]

ohhh

So all those different numbers are the damage on sides and mid being seperated?

[crude sandal]

Yes

[thin wren]

I assume I do not need to do that?

[crude sandal]

Yes

[thin wren]

k

[crude sandal]

Actually, I calced the -2 rebuff first, then after that is -1 rebuff and doubling it

[thin wren]

you are accounting for raw only right?

[crude sandal]

Yes

Without skill gear multipliers

[thin wren]

thx. Gonna start

4 sync buffs 105115, 106283, 107451, 108619, 109787, 110955, 112123, 113290, 114458, 115626, 116794
5 sync buffs 122634, 123997, 125359, 126722, 128084, 129447, 130810, 132172, 133535, 134898, 136260
6 sync buffs 140153, 141711, 143268, 144825, 146382, 147940, 149497, 151054, 152611, 154169, 155726
7 sync buffs 157673, 159424, 161176, 162928, 164680, 166432, 168184, 169936, 171688, 173440, 175192
8 sync buffs 175192, 177138, 179085, 181031, 182978, 184925, 186871, 188818, 190764, 192711, 194658
9 sync buffs 192711, 194852, 196993, 199135, 201276, 203417, 205558, 207700, 209841, 211982, 214123

@crude sandal

now should I calc in the final b move and max move

[crude sandal]

Wait

I calced for the actual damage, not the raw. I'm stupid

[crude sandal]

Show me the calcs like how I showed

[thin wren]

which one do I take from actual damage

the average?

[crude sandal]

Like this:
https://discordapp.com/channels/583120259708616715/1255888121648644197/1274301091412185108

[thin wren]

I am just gonna take the actual damage ranges I see and post them for each sync buff level

[crude sandal]

Ok

[crude sandal]

That's what I did

[thin wren]

@crude sandal

[thin wren]

I assume this is the final sync? there are 2 calcs, 1 for mid and 1 for sides?

[crude sandal]

Yes

[crude sandal]

This is overall for syncs

[thin wren]

I just posted for all sync levels as mix blue's thing is getting more syncs in

[thin wren]

should I calculate the total using the highest from each range?

[crude sandal]

All ranges, I'll show mine soon

[thin wren]

that's so much.....can we just take the average of each sync move level and add them together

am lazy

[crude sandal]

Ok, but I'll show all of my ranges

[thin wren]

k

I will average each sync buff damage range and add

[crude sandal]

2 sync buffs (-1 rebuff): 82292, 83206, 84121, 85035, 85949, 86864, 87778, 88692, 89607, 90521, 91435
6 sync buffs (-2 rebuff): 284858, 288023, 291188, 294353, 297518, 300683, 303848, 307013, 310178, 313343, 316508
7 sync buffs (-2 rebuff): 320465, 324026, 327586, 331147, 334708, 338268, 341829, 345390, 348951, 352511, 356072
8 sync buffs (-2 rebuff): 356072, 360028, 363985, 367941, 371898, 375854, 379810, 383767, 387723, 391679, 395636
9 sync buffs (-2 rebuff): 356072, 360028, 363985, 367941, 371898, 375854, 379810, 383767, 387723, 391679, 395636

[thin wren]

and the -1 rebuff ?

[crude sandal]

Fixed

[crude sandal]

Oh yeah

Wait

[thin wren]

math

[crude sandal]

6 sync buffs (-1 rebuff): 246876, 249620, 252363, 255106, 257849, 260592, 263335, 266078, 268821, 271564, 274307
7 sync buffs (-1 rebuff): 277736, 280822, 283908, 286994, 290080, 293166, 296252, 299338, 302424, 305510, 308596
8 sync buffs (-1 rebuff): 308596, 312025, 315453, 318882, 322311, 325740, 329169, 332598, 336027, 339455, 342884
9 sync buffs (-1 rebuff): 339455, 343227, 346999, 350771, 354542, 358314, 362086, 365858, 369629, 373401, 377173

[thin wren]

can we just take the highest damage possible of each sync buff level from our calcs , multiply that by 3(or in your case multiply the -1 rebuff one by 2 and add the -2 rebuff one) and then add all the sync buff level damages together

that way we can get an actual number

[crude sandal]

Show me your calcs first and how to do it

[thin wren]

These are the ranges per sync buff level. I take the highest from each buff level (for example I take 116794 from 4 sync buffs ) and multiply it by 3. I do this for each buff level and add the total from each one together. For you since damage varies on the enemies you would take the highest damages of each sync buff level from the -2 and -1 rebuff enemies and multiply the -1 rebuff damage by 2 and add the -2 rebuff damage. Repeat this and add all the totals together

[thin wren]

My modifiers are kanto circ, sun, seun, solar flare 5 and brainpower btw

@crude sandal does the process seem ok with you

[crude sandal]

Ok

[crude sandal]

BTW, I was wrong here on the 9 sync buffs because, you know, repated from 8 sync buffs

[thin wren]

??

oh

I read that message wrong

[crude sandal]

2 sync buffs (-1 rebuff): 274,305
6 sync buffs (-2 rebuff): 949,524
7 sync buffs (-2 rebuff): 1,068,216
8 sync buffs (-2 rebuff): 1,186,908
9 sync buffs (-2 rebuff): 1,305,597

6 sync buffs (-1 rebuff): 822,921
7 sync buffs (-1 rebuff): 925,788
8 sync buffs (-1 rebuff): 1,028,652
9 sync buffs (-1 rebuff): 1,131,519

[thin wren]

Total damage
4 sync buff 350382
5 sync buff 408,780
6 sync buff 467,178
7 sync buff 525,576
8 sync buff 583,974
9 sync buff 642,369

Total damage in syncs only
= 2,978,259

[crude sandal]

I got 12,602,310

[thin wren]

ain't that 12 mil...?

[crude sandal]

Yes

[thin wren]

you sure you didn't do anything wrong?

because uhhh 12 mil seems a tiny bit too high

[crude sandal]

Want me to send the PoMaTools link?

Of the team

To see for yourself

[thin wren]

no, I more so think the calcs in the final part went wrong, the ones done by us

[thin wren]

did you double the -2 rebuff damage as well?

[crude sandal]

No

[thin wren]

send team link

[crude sandal]

Here it is just in case:
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=001701014600&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=15010101&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFBggLDRAdICIjJSkqLQ&v1=000403049400&s1=4&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016403&t1=44444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFBwwPEhMWFxodICErNQ&v2=010102064800&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=15010101&t2=44444&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFJSYnKQ

[thin wren]

328326, 331974, 335622, 339270, 342918, 346567, 350215, 353863, 357511, 361159, 364807 are the ranges that I am getting for 8 sync buffs on mid

I think you might have accidentally tripled the damage calcs on mid

you are supposed to double the -1 rebuff highest range and then add the -2 rebuff highest range

[crude sandal]

It is

Highest for -2 on 6 sync buffs is 316508

[thin wren]

lemme calc the total I get on 8 sync buffs

[thin wren]

either way 12 mil seems a tiny bit too high to be the correct calc

[crude sandal]

You said triple the highest damage range form each sync buff level right?

[thin wren]

not for you since your damage varies on enemy

[crude sandal]

Ah

Now I get it

[thin wren]

blue damage is same for all enemies so I tripled my highest range. For you, you are supposed to double the highest range of -1 rebuff and add the highest range of -2 rebuff to that

[crude sandal]

x1 for the -2 rebuff and x2 for the -1 rebuff right?

[thin wren]

yeh

[crude sandal]

Ok ok

2 sync buffs (-1 rebuff): 91,435
6 sync buffs (-2 rebuff): 316,508
7 sync buffs (-2 rebuff): 356,072
8 sync buffs (-2 rebuff): 395,636
9 sync buffs (-2 rebuff): 435,199

6 sync buffs (-1 rebuff) * 2: 548,614
7 sync buffs (-1 rebuff) * 2: 617,192
8 sync buffs (-1 rebuff) * 2: 685,768
9 sync buffs (-1 rebuff) * 2: 754,346

Total: 4,201,400

@thin wren Is this correct?

[thin wren]

wow, that's a lot

looks correct tho

[crude sandal]

What is yours?

[thin wren]

3 mil basically

[crude sandal]

Now we calculate for the move damage

[thin wren]

I account for max and triple the final b move damage right?

D max move damage 97365
B move damage 102315
total b move damage=306,945

Total blue damage after adding the moves = 3.5 mil

[crude sandal]

How many sync buffs?

10?

[thin wren]

I assumed I get in 8 syncs so 10 total sync buffs but the 10th one won't have time for a sync probably so I only counted the moves for 10 sync buffs

[crude sandal]

V-Create (10 sync buffs, SEUN and 7 PMUN stacks): 529,543

Final Total: 4,730,943

[thin wren]

I assume you sync with all your units?

[crude sandal]

Ye

[thin wren]

7 pmun?

[thin wren]

so are you getting 10 total sync buffs?

[crude sandal]

7 syncs is definitely possible

[thin wren]

but your syncs only have upto 9 sync buffs right?

because 10th sync buff won't have any time left for sync

where's the 7 pmun from btw?1 from rosa syncing and 1 from rosa b moving

[crude sandal]

1 (Sync + Passive) + 3 (TM on Pirouette with T-Move: Team Phys & Spec Boost ↑1 Once 9) + 2 (TM on Pirouette without T-Move: Team Phys & Spec Boost ↑1 Once 9) + 1 (B Move)

[thin wren]

think you could test how much time it takes for 7 syncs?

[crude sandal]

I can't test this because my SS Hilda isn't 4/5

[thin wren]

ah fair

[crude sandal]

But this team can definitely get 10 sync buffs, especially with Rosa's Sing spam

And also because you literally have 3 support EX units

I'm going to test this without EXR Hilda

[fluid anvil]

syncing with Rosa ? that will cost you 1 sync due to time lost on her B-move
not to mention using burn instead of para is also slower

[thin wren]

I think it should definitely be tested if this team gets to 7 syncs

[thin wren]

anything from 4/5 that increases sync speed?

[crude sandal]

Well, it can be made up if Rosa pulls +2 evasion from her B Move and enemies frequently miss

[crude sandal]

If she was 5/5, she has TM Propulsion

[thin wren]

We resetting 100 times with this one

[crude sandal]

Better than hoping for 5 TM MPRs in a row

[thin wren]

is it really tho

btw by that logic blue comp gets in 9 syncs

[normal parcel]

Isn't searing shot stronger?

[thin wren]

pmun

[normal parcel]

Doesn't she gets smun too?

[thin wren]

@normal parcel we had a long combi with calcs and details

*convo

you can scroll up to read

[normal parcel]

I suppose hitting for double rebuff will give v create an edge

However if NC Rosa doesn't sync, she can give 4 smun stacks, to give pmun you have to sync

[crude sandal]

She gives PMUN on Pirouette Form

[normal parcel]

That means you have to sync with her

[crude sandal]

You have to sync with her either way. At least for my strat

[normal parcel]

But isn't searing shot damage stronger because AOE?

[crude sandal]

I'll recheck

I'll assume both of them have 7 MUN stacks

[normal parcel]

I mean with Rosa you can choose if you sync

However I don't think empowering command is worth on Hilda, the sync will still be the bulk of the damage

[rare apex]

still want a meaty last attack ig

[normal parcel]

Yes but not if it costs you sync damage

[rare apex]

ofc

[normal parcel]

Isn't no split insane aoe b move

[rare apex]

i'm gonna be using base silver for fire 3v3

[crude sandal]

[normal parcel]

You don't really have the energy to waste for a single mun stack

[fluid anvil]

IMO NC Rosa is almost never worth it as your sing spammer if its not Psychic or Fighting. Her sync "tax" is too high
the only other exception is a unova circle stack team

[normal parcel]

If you have a good finisher she's worth because of the mun stacks

Plus the tax isn't that high if exr compared to Elio

Melony Is faster but she has gauge issues

I mean as a non penny haver I relied on NC Rosa for smun stacks for SS gladion

I mean 6 stacks for a strong finisher is really impactful

[fluid anvil]

non penny havers were using Redlax from what I saw (to get 4.5-4.8M).
What was the highest with SS Gladion + NC rosa ?

[normal parcel]

I mean non penny haver that don't want to fish for a 10% miss near the end

I mean redlax doesn't gives any stacks (unless 5/5 I guess)

Gladion can get +2 and then +2 for each MPR and +3 if you miss

[fluid anvil]

he give SEUNs and a faster suppEX, it was good enough to get 4.5M+ without Penny

[normal parcel]

But really it took me 1h to just get 1mpr at the start of the battle

[normal parcel]

Yes but how much RNG is involved?

And what teammate it needs? 3/5 exr SS wally?

I mean how many stacks you can get by using redlax?

I doubt I can get 4m with my current roster even if I try hard

But still I don't want to have to rely on shiny hunting odds to score high with redlax

[crude sandal]

@normal parcel
V-Create: 529,543
Searing Shot: 190,486 + 2(165,088) = 520,662

V-Create is barely stronger

[latent plover]

Broke 2 million with 1/5 Penny and Wally

Considering neither are EX I'm content with this score

[sturdy pebble]

Do you have a vid?

[ivory kestrel]

speaking of SS Hilda, i was lucky to get a 4th dupe in mix banner, are you guys running this grid for DC:

[crude sandal]

Ok, I never really thought of gridding Searing Shot: Superduper Effective 3

[thin wren]

you don't need hostile environment 3. Iirc you can get 1-2 more tiles if you don't pick it up

but if you do mind the gamble then he3 is fine

[crude sandal]

Why not HE3? Doesn't it make Searing Shot 60% AoE chance to burn?

[thin wren]

Yes but you can pick up 1 more sync tile if you don't pick it up

[crude sandal]

I'm going to see if 4 +25 sync move tiles is stronger than Scorching Sync 5

[ivory kestrel]

like this?

[thin wren]

doubt tbh

Just get this grid https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/403/49400?s=4&l=150&r=6&p=0&a=13016403&g=AAECAwQFDA8SFRYXGh0gITE0&x=true

[crude sandal]

But without Scorching Sync, how will you be able to sync spam?

[thin wren]

You don't give up scorching sync

[ivory kestrel]

i'll try first with HE3, dont have the strongest will for 3v3 rng

[thin wren]

you simply burn all opponents without he3

you also have to crit every sync

[ivory kestrel]

what are the odds of burning all in one shot? Searing shot is 30%

[crude sandal]

15%

Just below 1/6 chance to burn all of them

Gridding HE3 quadruples the chance

[thin wren]

so you are saying it's not a 0%

[crude sandal]

Who says I was?

[thin wren]

I am making a joke

about as long as it's not 0% it can happen 100% of the time

[crude sandal]

Actually, you can kinda sync rush at the start if you give Leaf and Rosa with HS1

Since Leaf has Afflictor's Fervor on her Leer

[normal parcel]

Isn't just better to just ignore scorching sync 5 and try to burn just 1 side and use the spare energy to get sync BP? Instead

Or just pick scorching sync and burn just the unit with double rebuff

[thin wren]

pick up scorching sync, burn all enemies with no hostile environment searing shot and get more bp tiles

[normal parcel]

0.3375% of burning them all, 21.6% with he3

[normal parcel]

Do you really want those burn animations?

[crude sandal]

I mean, burn enables you to Sing spam

[normal parcel]

But you need 1 burn for that

Burning 1 side means the burn animation every 4 moves

Even trying to burn only the sides is just 2.25% chance

I mean you can still burn the double rebuff unit,

Not sure if is better to just pick all the sync BP nodes and just ignore burn synergy 5

I should calcolate

[crude sandal]

You'd have to find another way to sync spam

[latent plover]

I don't think SS Hilda is best in fire challenge

I only have hopium for strike EX R Anni N to burn the rest away

[crude sandal]

Silver

[latent plover]

Anni N with strike EX R is better

Leaf sets his sync up super well

And you want Leaf in any one of these team comps

[crude sandal]

Leaf is definitely ideal for fire-weak DCs

[latent plover]

For single target she's top

In aoe she sets N to be top

[fluid anvil]

not with mix blue

[latent plover]

Mix Blue's debuffs take too long

Better to spam leer than use Blue's B-move

[fluid anvil]

what debuffs?

[latent plover]

wdym what debuffs? Why else you'd use mix blue

If he isn't debuffing, Leaf is

Fire rebuff in sun with leaf having support ex r is too strong to pass on any fire team

[fluid anvil]

mix blue has 150% sync multipliers, his own sun/Field role and 100% crits .. and SEUN on TM
he is your main syn nuker in 3v3

[normal parcel]

Not saying she's best, but that she's the best unit that "exists" for f2p

[crude sandal]

And don't forget about Catalytix Acceleration for Sing spam

[fluid anvil]

for 3v1 yes .. for 3v3 ?

[latent plover]

Still best

She enables a lot

[latent plover]

Maybe now yes, but if Anni N gets strike EX R he's gonna be stronger than mix blue

[fluid anvil]

mix blue doensat really need any enabling. you just run him with chase and melony

[normal parcel]

Who do you think will perform better than SS Hilda (that is at least a "possible" option for f2p players)

[crude sandal]

SS Hilda is the best overall

Unless Anni N strike EXR exists

[fluid anvil]

anni N would need lengthy setup and he doesnt have sun tbh
but yeah tech+strike is good

[latent plover]

That's why Leaf would be with him

Leaf sets his nuke so he only need buffs, and third can be someone else

[fluid anvil]

anni N + nc leaf + bp barry ? how many sync you get with this ? 4-5?

[latent plover]

Honestly idk, but Anni N is unova so Colress is better

[normal parcel]

Or you can use melony/NC Rosa and fish for a burned side

[fluid anvil]

anni n also needs 3-4 turns just to buff himself up

[latent plover]

Or NC Rosa actually

[normal parcel]

Anni N has good DPS but don't know how viable it will be

[fluid anvil]

anyway anni N wont get strike. it will be support for sure

just like cerena and nc marnie

[normal parcel]

I mean with those bad stats they can have pity of him and give him strike like Archie

[latent plover]

I personally would love him getting support, but if hypothetically he gets strike, I think he'd be really good

[normal parcel]

He needs strike, he wants the +40 attack

[latent plover]

He's not anni steven level of bad though

[crude sandal]

Hear me out
SS May will be the MVP for 3v1 fire-weak

[latent plover]

His nuke is still pretty strong

[normal parcel]

Doesn't it have the same attack stat?

[latent plover]

Yes, but N isn't dragged down by mega evolution

And he has great sync multipliers to make up for it

[normal parcel]

Yes I mean stat wise it really wants strike exr

[latent plover]

Innate Power Play + Devesation + Pecking Order

Or field EX R

[normal parcel]

Field is also a decent option

[latent plover]

Field EX R Anni N would be fantastic

[normal parcel]

Support will be pretty bad

[latent plover]

Not for DC, but in gauntlet it will be

[civic island]

300 spatk would love strike

[fluid anvil]

Devastation + Pecking Order arent the best to set up

[latent plover]

With Leaf it's a lot easier since her leers debuffs both at once

[crude sandal]

And you only need to use either Leer or Noble Roar once to complete the set up

[normal parcel]

Leer debuffs both plus the defenses

Is better to use leer, is faster and debuffs defenses too

[latent plover]

Yeah, so N already is set up with all his multipliers with just 6 leers

So he can just buff himself

He even have sharp entry 1 so only 3 turns are needed

[crude sandal]

Is 3 Leers + B Move slower than 6 Leers?

[normal parcel]

His sync is special so just doesn't cares about x defense

[latent plover]

For aoe you probably want all 6

[normal parcel]

B move is single target

[latent plover]

Leaf has solar sync with drought alert so sun isn't as big of a problem

[normal parcel]

Drought alert 3 isn't enough for the whole battle if you sync second with leaf however

Maybe it can be if the setup is quite slow

[latent plover]

If you do Rosa + N + Leaf than it might work if you sync with Rosa first

And Leaf second

Though it might be like with SSR Cynthia where it's best to only sync once with the support

[crude sandal]

How fast is Potion spam again?

[hollow whale]

No animation of full health iirc

[normal parcel]

No animation potion should be the fastest thing

[real wind]

So here's my Team for the next DC run (Ghost Single/ 3v1)

• Main Team: SSR Cynthia
• Experiment 1: Fall Acerola Run
• Experiment 2: Helena Run
• Bottom of the Barrel: Acerola Run
  (Would try Allister or Agatha for Experiments but don't have them EX)

[left vine]

Oh this ain't too bad ig

Sync Wally > Penny > Gladion B Move, sync, B Move again

Do NOT use Penny's TM, it's a trap, Gradual Healing kills your time

[real wind]

Seems SS Gladion is really Dominating this DC (dunno if SS Nemona can catch up)

SS Nemona release is next next reset right?

[earnest wigeon]

just next reset

[latent plover]

She ain't gonna surpass him

[normal parcel]

Doubt she can score as high, but I guess she can score easier

Best gladion runs require super invested team and heavy RNG

[crude sandal]

A surprising twist

All of the +25 sync move nodes is better than Scorching Sync 5

So now it's only a question of how to sync spam

[latent plover]

With Hilda it's still an issue since she wants rising tide for her sync

[crude sandal]

Like I said, Rosa already completes Rising Tide for her

[fair mist]

thats what nc leaf is for

[crude sandal]

So this is potentially the final team I'll make for next week (maybe)
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=001701014600&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=15010101&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFBgcJDA8dICIjJSkqLQ&v1=000403049400&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016403&t1=44444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFDA8SExYXGh0gJCYpMTQ1&v2=010102064800&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=15010101&t2=44444&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFJSYnKSw

[sacred badger]

whose syncing first?

[crude sandal]

Rosa -> SS Hilda (if EXR) -> NC Leaf -> SS Hilda (all the way)

Ok, I lied, Scorching Sync is better, but only if you're willing to risk 0.3375% of burning everyone with Searing Shot

[latent plover]

Scorching Sync is better than the extra tile if you use +10e

[sacred badger]

hmm. she has super sync 9

[latent plover]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=001701014600&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=15010101&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFBgcJDA8dICIjJSkqLQ&v1=000403049400&s1=5&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016403&t1=44444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFBxITFhcaHSAhLjE0&v2=010102064800&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=15010101&t2=44444&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFJSYnKSw

This with 5/5 EX R

+10E

[sacred badger]

so no need to run redlax here huh

[crude sandal]

Yeah, that's the exact same grid I have

[crude sandal]

Now that we know that SS Hilda needs 5/5 with HE3, Leaf can go back to Catalytic Acceleration

But does it matter since that team has fast base speed and you have +4 speed with Rosa?

[calm anvil]

so.....

How good are the ticket exchange pairs

[crude sandal]

All meh

[calm anvil]

I'm thinking of getting Gladion next

[crude sandal]

If you're a veteran that is

[calm anvil]

A veteran whose meta is still in 2022

In terms of power

From my nickname, Rock DC will return someday

[crude sandal]

I do wonder, what would a 3/5 SS Hilda look like for next week?

[pallid girder]

Imo the fields are good if you lack those zone option.
DC Nemona helps Gordie to beat UB Darach and hit 1M in DC 3v1 for example.

[rose basalt]

hmm i wonder how a 3/5 exr MS blue would do

its either that, leon or red

[crude sandal]

For what?

[normal parcel]

If you mean p2w blue, it may be the best option (or close to SS Hilda if not) red may be decent at 5/5, Leon is pretty bad for DC

[fluid anvil]

mix blue is the best. SS Red is much worse, but still usable and can likely get 1M or more if he is caked
Leon is really bad

[rose basalt]

mix blue it is

[fluid anvil]

Leons best pure dps pair is the Ice one and even thats pretty average. the Dragapult one is ok for debuffs + some sync nuking

the other 2? Meh

[normal parcel]

Problem with Leon is that his only sync multiplier is scorching sync 5

[fluid anvil]

Anni Raihan is probably better than all 4 leon pairs due to his utility. Funny since in canon Leon > Raihan

[pallid girder]

Poor multiplier + burn/poison/interference requirement = dead in DC.

[normal parcel]

Leon for modes that are fine with DPS, isn't bad, but DC is all about syncs so Is pretty terrible

[pallid girder]

DC is all (x) mostly (o) about syncs bc we have exception now.

[crude sandal]

What the hell we talkin'?

[normal parcel]

I think about fire aoe

[chilly prawn]

Zero invest penny and wally can easily hit 3.5

[deep apex]

Nice

[chilly prawn]

Note I dont have fairy boost gear either, I was surprised that pierce blast hits 999,999 on all 3

[fluid anvil]

thats some nice gear for my Cynthia/Lucas/Dahlia clears. Giff more pins and more Pink/Green silver feathers

[misty forge]

Dahlia teams use status?

[fluid anvil]

everything uses Status in DC now
Dahlia + Chase + Melony

[thin wren]

anyone gonna try to see if nemona gets 3.5 mil?

[fluid anvil]

gonna be a disaster if Nemona cant break 3M

[hollow whale]

I should look up her kit considering I’m pulling for her lol

[acoustic elk]

I'm trying sylveon xerneas latios, but do you guys see any other options?

[plush palm]

the only ones there w/ multipliers are lisia and mina assuming theyre gridded. GL bc this is for endgame players

[acoustic elk]

have some candies if you think i should use them

4*

[plush palm]

use them on mawile

just dont expect to score very high

shes your best option but if she aint got ex and proper support the dmg just aint there

be realistic

[pallid girder]

5/5 EX Valerie & Mawile hits 1M with multiple different f2p combs.

[plush palm]

i doubt they have 3/5 colress

[acoustic elk]

Have it at 1/5

[hollow whale]

Huh BP Valerie is that strong?

[cloud timber]

applies own seun and has decent multipliers

[pallid girder]

1/5 Colress + 1/5 Elio work for her.

[acoustic elk]

well, managed to get 450k with your help, thanks

don't have Elio so I use Melony instead

[pallid girder]

Sadly Melony is worse than Elio in this case bc gauge issue.

[acoustic elk]

yeah i supposed but don't think I have any other sing spammer

[quaint timber]

marnie using x def all really slows her down lol

[true locust]

Nemona skipp is not wat we need:) hear pokefair unit was way way better. This is like why why we need this? Gladion best 3/3 wally 3/1 high score fairy end🤣 kinda low on ideas

[fluid anvil]

barely above 2M ?wtf

[normal parcel]

With easily, you mean without the miss?

[loud cedar]

how’s nemona in dc

[slender venture]

Solid

[scenic grotto]

Just realised, NC Serena is going to have a ball with these two stages

[slender venture]

Definitely not for triple

[scenic grotto]

Well she was able to get 1m in Dark triple

[slender venture]

Kriss should be just better

[naive sundial]

Never going to top this

[plush palm]

my best option looks like double kris

kris actually has great on type multipliers thankfully

we might see some mays up there too i guess

that and nc serena should still be able to brute force

[civic island]

Compared to fairy, water f2p options are quite great

[acoustic chasm]

Oh I just noticed the sequence of weaknesses is the same for both single and triple, just shifted apart by 5

[normal parcel]

Se will get 1m in triple, but far from try best option

[thin wren]

has nemona 3.5 mil yet

[misty forge]

Ahhh right we're in DC chat

Sorry I thought we were talking of actual content

My b

[normal parcel]

Fairy isn't In a bad spot for triple, BP Valerie is solid, and egg Sylveon can give zone, is just that kris is a really good f2p option for water triple, and I guess nessa is a solid option for single target while the best f2p fairy single target option i think is mina

[ivory kestrel]

Speaking of Nessa, I remember she was in the top 3 spot for quite some time in terms of Sync damage. She’ll be able to clear 1M in ST? Or her set-up is too much of a hassle?

[normal parcel]

With SC Steven she should have an easy time (unless x speed or x defense)

However you can't slot SC Steven and rain

[fluid anvil]

whats the best Nemona team for 3v3 Fairy and how high can it score?

[thin wren]

idt I have seen anyone try nemona

[final garnet]

^ Here for example

[fluid anvil]

surely 2M+ cannot be the highest..?
I wonder if SS wally is worth using with her or not - you get zone and rebuff, but you have to give him 1 sync
its obviously not as good as Gladion, but maybe its still good

[thin wren]

~~nemona ain't that strong ~~ it's probably a case of not being tested enough

she's new, many people already have ss glad so they aren't going for her and ss glad rng probably drained many people

[fluid anvil]

Found a higher Nemona score with Wally
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonMasters/comments/1ev57ko/nemona_267_mil_dc_dont_have_penny_i_cant_reach/#lightbox
probably close to the max, maybe it can go a bit over 3M with 5/5 Penny and godly gears

its actually hilarious thats with SS Gladion - Fairy got the highest DC score by far (5.7M+)
but if SS Gladion didnt exist - Fairy would have the lowest (current) 3v3 score

[thin wren]

ss glad is HIM

[civic island]

Yeah, Super infliction does wonders

For single we just need Dena to drop Katherine EX
But ig its not happening

[cloud timber]

for the most part it seems like only one unit reaches over 2m for each type anyway besides dark?

as damage dealer

[fluid anvil]

steel had 2 or even 3
for Psychic - LuSSa, SSSteven and Jacq all can

Dark had Akari go over 2M or even over 2.5M

[thin wren]

rock had 1 but probably 3 now

[fluid anvil]

also for Ghost there was a single clear where SC irida and Summer Gardenia got 2.1M+ .. but only one, every other result of theirs was under 1.9M

[thin wren]

bug had sc barry go over 2 mil barely

[fluid anvil]

if SS Cynthia (Kommo-o) gets Tech or Field role - she will be near 2.5M (current best was 1.7M) .. but it will probably be a Sprint role
also Lucas might be able to barely break 2M with his new support role

[craggy pond]

are we talking 3v3 or 3v1 numbers here btw

[fluid anvil]

3v3

well for Lucas and Jacq also 3v1

[cloud timber]

wait what was good for steel all i remember was gloria

[fluid anvil]

Poppy, Steel Selene and Rose

[cloud timber]

ah

[nova remnant]

Hey chat quick question
Who got the highest Lyrapuff score? 👁️ 👁️

[cloud timber]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonMasters/comments/1ev57ko/nemona_267_mil_dc_dont_have_penny_i_cant_reach/#lightbox

[sacred badger]

3/5?

[cloud timber]

prob

yeah they posted grid in the comments, 3/5

[sacred badger]

Dayum

[normal parcel]

Can't Majin Jigglypuff break 3m?

[misty forge]

probably yea

just need more testing and mixupping

imo

[sullen zephyr]

hello DC, 6M yet?

[icy scroll]

Go for it Fungi!

[fluid anvil]

its ~5.94M now

[wise mulch]

Good morning

Does anyone with Nemona surpass 4m yet?

[fluid anvil]

Nemona hasnt beaten 3M yet (that I've seen)

[wise mulch]

Ah I see, okay thank you!

[normal parcel]

My best is 2.59m but I don't have all the invested stuffs and the will to reset for pitiful rng

Really hate to fish for stuffs later on the battle

Expecially for 10% chances

And on top of MPR 2

3% chance of getting a run with MPR and the miss

And the miss is near the end

Wondering if volo may be used with the 10% paralysis chance (however his b move is probably the slowest move in the game)

[latent plover]

I just realized x speed mprs can help Gladion get an optimal score

If only I could get a +10 boost

Got it

2.5 million without investing on Penny or Wally. This easily reaches 3 million if Penny is EX

[chilly prawn]

It reaches 3.5 with penny ex both 1/5

This is a fail run lol

No role cake on wally either

Requires good luck to get the clean run

[latent plover]

Yeah, but I don't have the resources for EX Penny right now, so this run is what I'm content with

But yeah it definitely can be higher but I wasn't gonna reset for damage rolls

[chilly prawn]

👍

Same

[latent plover]

https://youtu.be/bHPzuovyGl8

[vapid kernel]

oo

Nemona is the only new unit to have released in coincidence with a DC event?

[pallid girder]

Depends on how new and how relevant you see it. UElio and USelene were new units still alive during Rock 3v1.

[latent plover]

Skinny broke 6 million. On her post on youtube

[fluid anvil]

Gladion at 6M .. Nemona still sub 3M.. its ogre

[long silo]

Good heavens

[copper otter]

@true locust

That has to be skill gears

[loud cedar]

jesus christ

do we have other types that can get as close to 6 mil

[misty forge]

Ice MAYBE

[unique abyss]

too bad that was only 7 SMUN

[loud cedar]

3 mil woop woop!

[pallid girder]

Base striker (not tech + ex striker) can reach 3M is originally a good bar, but see how SS Glad ruins it lol.

[long silo]

Let's just treat Gladion as an outlier lol

[fluid anvil]

nope

[fluid anvil]

Ice will be lucky to break 4M

[clever wasp]

What's the highest Nemona's gotten points wise?

[long silo]

I think she reached around 3m+?

[iron gulch]

I want to try and get 3m but the lack of dupes and ex roles on Penny and Wally make it feel impossible

[fluid anvil]

2.6M+ or so

[thin wren]

he technically proves burst over sync if burst is aoe no split and can get maximum damage easily

(I think fairy is the only type that can do that rn)

so I don't think anything is coming close unless anni has the god of bursts or something

[hollow whale]

It’s funny how much I lack enablers to crack past 1 mil lol

[thin wren]

What comp?

[hollow whale]

SS Gladion, SCteven, Colress

It SHOULD breach it

3/5 btw

But for some reason I’m like

1 sync rotation slower than everyone else

[thin wren]

yeah, don't use sync spam with ss glad

do you have a smuner?@hollow whale

[hollow whale]

Have to check but I think NC Rosa is it for me

[long silo]

I think if you go the sync burst route, you should use BP Barry instead of Colress

NC Rosa would be even slower

[thin wren]

yeah so the strat is to lower enemy with ss glad fluer to -6 and then click his tm. Then don't click anything with him except sync or X speed all (grid the mun on tm tile) till the last 30 seconds where you click rosa tm in aria form and then b move with ss glad

for easy 1 mil

[hollow whale]

How much does 10 SMUN add up?

[thin wren]

nc rosa is better cuz she stacks smun and the guy just wants 1 mil. Plus it's not like sync spamming is optimal either way so bp barry not worth it imo

[thin wren]

400%

[hollow whale]

Noice lol

Gonna give it a go

[long silo]

Hmmm. I tried to do it. The rotation seems hard

Was only able to do two syncs lol

I'll try with Rosa sync > B Move > Gladion Sync > B Move

[hollow whale]

Hmm only 300k

Didn’t use SCteven haha

[long silo]

Oh who ended up being your 3rd unit

But ye this was Rosa Sync > B Move > Gladion x2 > B Move

Oh wait the second B Move has no SEUN

Hmmm

Also ye realized that this has no consistent SpA debuffer

So if you ended up not using SC Steven, use someone who can debuff SpA ideally

[devout pelican]

I was worried but then Gladion just went brrr

[true locust]

If some one have nothing to do and try hard just to flex ok not my problem ) like i tell place for try hard is ranked event only:) waist time for miss roll gears? We dont even now when fairy or wat condion will be and same like others events, put effort and resource for nothing is kinda for me zero sens dena can make this fairy only sync on ranked then wat? Need start from scratch and you gears for damage moves are in trash. I try hard non ranked when i have fight and poison on ranked and test some stuff. I did 5,6 m zero effort no good gears and dont plan waist my time just too get 8 more tickets no thanks. We will se wat skinny perform on ranked when will be realy hard competion for it. Since on last ranked didnt saw it. This time will be bloody:) i prove my self on place for it:) score on non ranked is just fun 🙂

[civic island]

Fairy vs3 only moves, so Nemona can shine

[wide shore]

Holy shit how does she even do this

[merry nymph]

6 million

[long silo]

Fairy 3v3 Ranked should be Sync only

Gladion will skew the ranking otherwise

[cunning rock]

Meanwhile, ST Fairy is gonna be a pain if you don't have SS Wally

Summer Marnie has a 1M run in 3v3 and she's a Tech so she's an option

[fossil igloo]

I'm going to see how Lodge Lillie does. I know. It's silly, but I want to see how possible it is.

[cunning rock]

She's hard to use. Her sync multipliers is trap and attack drops. Also she can't boost her Crit

[cloud timber]

always good to see comparisons if someone has the investment to test

[cunning rock]

While NC Blue can fixes Lillie's stats, relying on Lodge Lillie + NC Blue for attack drops takes too long.

The one thing Lodge Lillie has going for her is that her TM gives her SEUN

[long silo]

Funny enough, the very same Fairy comp can be used on 3v1 too lol

[loud cedar]

true

just divide the damage by uhh

i mean subtract

wait..

see this is why i failed math

[long silo]

3v1 Ghost on reset

I'll see what Allister can cook up

[tiny mist]

3/5 gladion can easily hit 2 million, try n switch the team. See pykuo's youtube video

[long silo]

Oh I already finished lol. I was simulating the team comp for someone else

[tiny mist]

oh wtf

I doubt any team is gonna top this for now, unless anni has some crazy dps units

[normal parcel]

Won't gladion be even better, because like 80% of his damage is from the b move?

Nemona can shine in vs3 only syncs, because gladion sync is weaker than nemonas's one

[normal parcel]

If you don't have invested SS wally, because at 1/5 doubt it will help much

[civic island]

Yep, Gladion is just dominating
But at least nemona would do pretty well too

imagine having ssWally at all

[normal parcel]

I mean not that she's doing bad right now, is just that gladion is better

[civic island]

6M is crazy

[normal parcel]

Don't know if nemona has easier scores however

[long silo]

SS Wally is on my long term candy plan, but I can delay that since SS Gladion can hit 999,999 on a single target anyway lol

[normal parcel]

But doesn't that still requires invested SS wally to do so?

[long silo]

Ranked Fairy 3v3 (Sync Only) will let Nemona shine. SS Glad would possibly just break even

[civic island]

The fact that ssWally and Penny are special oriented doesn't help

[long silo]

1/5 is enough

[cunning rock]

Regardless, SS Nemona still appreciates the Rebuff or Fairy Zone

[civic island]

I meant doesn't help closing the gap between the two

Fairy zone ofc helps fairy units

[normal parcel]

Does wally even do anything to help special units?

[cunning rock]

Mind Boggler?

Just not optimal in a mode like this

[civic island]

It's more the mix of spatk n spdef drops that specifically helps ssGladion

[normal parcel]

I guess you can attack only once with him and has 50% chance of screwing your run

I mean optimal gladion run scores higher but is miserable, 30% MPR + 50% flabbergast not triggering + 10% missing fleur cannon, 1.5% of success assuming only 1 mpr

0.45% if 2 MPR are needed

[long silo]

Wally can also decrease SpDef at 3/5

SMUN at 5/5 (Fairy Zone)

Was Gobsmack reset included in the high lvl runs

I did not notice it

[loud cedar]

with penny also debuffing maybe not as often?

if he doesnt proc confuse after a few dgleams maybe its a reset

my redlax clear has several resets cause ss wally doesnt proc confusion after the first sync

not enough time for -6 spdef

[fluid anvil]

any 3M Nemona clears?

[surreal venture]

do you have a guide for the move order of this lineup?

[devout pelican]

I just follow the video in the pinned post

Well, except I sync with Penny, then Wally then Gladion

[surreal venture]

ok gotcha

[devout pelican]

Gladion use Fleur Cannon once then spam TM to stack SMUN

[surreal venture]

so i need to get lucky with the 30% TMR

[copper otter]

That ping wasn't meant to share as a flex but moreso to let you know that 6 mil is possible and wanted to let you know on it for the future. I didn't know the specifications of it because i don't have SS Gladion at 3/5.

I'll know next time not to let you know

[thin wren]

moves only would make ss glad mandatory for everyone

[turbid vault]

Can nemona outperform gladion or nah?

[fluid anvil]

she is ~2x worse than him

[copper otter]

As expected. Robot maid does 3 mil more than unga bunga puff ball

[thin wren]

ss glad has a score of 6 mil.

I don't think anything currently outperforms that let alone nemona

[copper otter]

Not even NC Nate

[long silo]

NC Nate peak is 4.3m?

[thin wren]

4.4 iirc

[turbid vault]

Last I came in here it was a 5mil clear. Crazy someone refined to 6mil

[cunning rock]

Probably until we get Electric

[fluid anvil]

Even without Gladion comparison I am dissapointed in her kit and score tbh

[thin wren]

electric ain't even touching 5 mil

[copper otter]

#1255888121648644197 message 6 mil

[thin wren]

let alone 6 mil.

[fluid anvil]

Electric wont get 5M
4M maybe (with Ash)

[turbid vault]

Ash with tech would be nice but it won't ever happen

[copper otter]

Ash would be a support lets be honest

[thin wren]

I could see hau getting 4 mil

I have doubts that even anni will break 6 mil tbh

[turbid vault]

Weird to say that not knowing what the kits are

[fluid anvil]

I think Ash will beat SS Hau and break 4M but I wonder if it will beat NC Nates 4.5M

[turbid vault]

If anni units are not 4th and 5th tier meta I will be outraged. Nemona hopefully weaker on purpose than 3 more anni pairs

[fluid anvil]

I really wonder how high SST Reds 3v1 score will be .. because his TM team regen is a big drawback
and also kekwalk

[copper otter]

Ss hau won't have anyone to sync rush because you'll need SEUN, and Rebuff.

Sure you can do sc steven, but then how ya gonna lower spdef

[turbid vault]

What are best triple fire units

[copper otter]

Ncleaf guaranteed

[thin wren]

yes but they will need to have perfect enabler synergy as well unless they can get 10 mun easily themselves or they will need to have the strongest nukes ever and he aoe. Ss glad had near perfect partners for this

[cunning rock]

For F2Ps, it will be Silver. With sync rushing, he's practically guaranteed to keep syncing under his own Sun after his first sync

[copper otter]

Lowkey....
Melony/Oleana/NCLeaf....

[thin wren]

I still think at least hau vs Ash will be close

[thin wren]

btw ss hau has mind games

[turbid vault]

Oh good point, and colress provides physical down

[long silo]

Time for me to clear Fire 3v3 with Ethan

[thin wren]

him plus nc blue should have most of the stuff except seun

Ash also can't fit et

[cunning rock]

And you WANT silver to tank because he gives himself evasion

[turbid vault]

NcLeaf I guess is good for 3v1 later yeah

[thin wren]

even if he has seun(I think?)

[copper otter]

Thebbest team i can think of for ss hau is NCBlue/Melony/SSHau

[thin wren]

Aoe fire will probably be shilda

[copper otter]

Maybe swap Melony for Holi Jasmine but idk

[thin wren]

nah, melony over seun

[turbid vault]

What makes melony the best sing unit

[thin wren]

melony sync spam is the fastest under et

[long silo]

Oh 3v3 Electric is first. Perfect time for me to test SST Red and how his heal will affect the run

[thin wren]

even faster than para melony

[copper otter]

No need for move gauge refresh animation

Oh right. Et

[thin wren]

ss hau has inate et

sing will fail the quickest it can

[copper otter]

The one time ET is useful for anything other than damage lmao

[thin wren]

and gauge will not be an issue

[copper otter]

So yea ncblue/melony/sshau

[fluid anvil]

ET prevents enemy sleeps, its useful for that too

[thin wren]

I think even if Ash ends up being better the gap will be 100k at most