Damage Challenge

[fluid anvil]

I am 100% sure Mix Red will do better in Grass 3v3. Guess we'll see

btw you also need to use Adamans B-move 2 times - that also eats time

[normal parcel]

Ok that double rebuff is basically field

[crude sandal]

And what about Red?

He needs to use it 3 times

For max Smarty Pants

[fluid anvil]

3 vs 2 isnt a big ddiference.
Red sync is doing triple damage because its AoE

[crude sandal]

Adaman's sync has tech stuff along with ludicrous multipliers

Adaman's nuke alone does more than EXR Mix Red

Without strike EXR

[normal parcel]

This will be the 1st time that a single target unit will be optimal for AOE (and definitely the best "more than 0% F2P" option)

[fluid anvil]

we aready have comparisons for this
Lucas didnt do better in Dragon 3v3 than SS Serena or SS Cynthia.
and Mix Red is better than them thanks to Field + -6 SpDef debuffs + extend range move

[crude sandal]

Lucas has weak multipliers

[fluid anvil]

? he has ~160% or so total, a bit more than Adaman

[cunning rock]

At least F2P Grass should have SS Erika, just treating her Sunny Day charges like it was Grassy Terrain

[fluid anvil]

Inertia
The more user’s Speed is raised, the more it powers up the user’s sync move.
Brain Sync 2
Powers up the user’s sync move when its Sp. Atk is raised.
Draconic Sync 4
Powers up the user’s sync move when the zone is a Dragon Zone.

[normal parcel]

Don't know if Brendan or even selene will nuke harder than Erika for aoe

[crude sandal]

Erika has SEUN on Sunny Day

I'm pretty sure Mix Red will beat Adaman if you have Redlax

[unborn otter]

Triple grass is in September so I can get a strike cake to give to mix red

[crude sandal]

But if Adaman has an EXR, then I'm certain he'll beat Mix Red no matter what

[normal parcel]

Sadly no grassy terrain unit can paralyze

[fluid anvil]

Adaman will beat Mix Red in 3v3 Grass if he gets Strike .. Field is debatable, it would be close. Not sure who wins, might be Adaman barely
with Support or Sprint - probably not

[cunning rock]

I'd probably still pick Brendan for AoE since he can cover his own offensive buffing by himself (except for Speed for Inertia)

[crude sandal]

Field ensures that you won't need SS Acerola

Actually, field or strike will be the best for him

[fluid anvil]

What was the highest score for Fighting 3v1 and for Psychic 3v1 ? Did either one break 3,5M ?

[crude sandal]

Fighting maybe yes. Psychic I don't think so

[fluid anvil]

I heard the rank 1 Fighting 3v1 was really high (3,5M ?), but havent seen any video or screenshot for that

[vernal condor]

[rain copper]

All aboard the Sconia breaking 1mil train

[crude sandal]

Hold on

I'm gonna recalc later when I get to my computer

[sacred badger]

oh hmm.

rock gets gorrdie

the fairymulti one will have to be NY Lisia gaming.

with a big giga impact nuke at the end for points

guess i have to nnnot use penny here.

or just use BP Barry all the way

[acoustic chasm]

Shit I don't have anything for single ghost

[sacred badger]

• Redlax maybe hrm

I'm not too sure with ghost, likely going to be SSR Cynthia since easier to setup.

[unique abyss]

Is there any damage spreadsheet, where DC Wally is included? I'm curious about his performance in comparison to Nate in 3v1 dc

[normal parcel]

But who will u use with SS acerola? Corless?

[sacred badger]

you can check the pins.

[normal parcel]

I think DC wally will be a pretty solid f2p option

The fact that it can paralyze definitely is a plus

Not sure if paired with Nate it will outnuke him

[unique abyss]

I thought about him with SC Steven and Melony

[normal parcel]

Same, sadly Helena doesn't have 6ex, but maybe she's still one of the best f2p options regardless

That or allister I guess

The fact that Helena can paralyze is nice, but smarty pants is pretty annoying to setup

Allister has poison that isn't optimal, but at least works with sing spam

[thin wren]

adam got 3.4 mil in fighting st. Keep in mind tho, chop essentially had every multiplier possible for st

[thin wren]

zone, double rebuff, double circle, 20% from Bianca passive , 200% multiplier

oh and def drops

[fluid anvil]

so 3.4M was the highest for Fighting 3v1 ?
Jacq highest was also 3.4M+
However Hop will get Support role, so it should go up a bit

[fluid anvil]

Any link for that clear?

These Fighting/Psychic results for 3v1 probably wont be topped. Not even by Adaman (even if he gets Field) or SST Red

[thin wren]

no, adam said he will post the details later

[jagged radish]

is f2p solgaleo better than 3/5 exr rose for this challenge?

interesting that it seems to be the case lol

[icy pendant]

there isn't any reason why solgaleo should be better

[thin wren]

definitely not

Unless you are using rose wrong

solgal highest is 1.3 mil

rose is 2.5 mil

[jagged radish]

nice, just didnt c rose teams in the sheet or im blind lol but ill look it up and do it with rose ty

[icy pendant]

there isn't a rose team in the doc yet, just must not be on recording

[jagged radish]

fair, thats why i was surprised seeing no rose but solgaleo reaching a mil lol

didnt make sense so thought id double ask before wasting my time xD

so thx for your help folks :v

[royal jolt]

There's a doc?

[sacred badger]

for recording dc score + team comp

in the pins

[royal jolt]

ohh, gotcha

[thin wren]

the dc doc is generally less used and well known than ub doc

so less clears are posted there

[icy pendant]

got my selene up to 1.3m with two costly missed crits in the last minute of the run, idc enough to optimize further lol

[royal jolt]

I'd like to try contributing to it sometime

[thin wren]

some phones also can't record and run dc properly without suffering

so a lot of clears aren't posted there

[vernal condor]

which means the few videos in there get more views

[royal jolt]

easy farm

[vernal condor]

real

[royal jolt]

gonna give Grimsley's another attempt

it helps that i take a break from gauntlet anyway

[icy pendant]

speaking of... I should upload my clear to add it to your doc and my doc

[royal jolt]

someone ought to tell that camper boy that he doesn't have On a Roll 9 on Crunch

I DID IT

AND ON VIDEO

this was beyond difficult. My heart is beating so fast

[icy pendant]

Selene doesn't sync for zone in that team?

[royal jolt]

not needed

[vernal condor]

eh

might as well go selene dps in that team

and remove grimsley

[royal jolt]

makes a helluva lot more sense, but I wanted to see if every Steel-type DPS I had could make it to 1M. I recorded and uploaded most of them, save for Rose. And now Grimsley is part of that

I submitted the run
back to gauntlet I go!

[jaunty stratus]

I have 1/5 rose. What unit can i use so i can spm iron head?

[vernal condor]

use solgaleo 1/5 rose doesnt do shit here

[frail owl]

1/5 rose can probably do 500k max

gauge is very slow tho

[jagged radish]

congrats!

[royal jolt]

Thank you ^^

[narrow oriole]

For the current Damage Challenge, what strategy should I use? I unfortunately don't have Red/Snorlax. I have SC Steven, but his animations are too long. I guess Rose should be my damage dealer, because I have his EX Role unlocked. Should I focus on Syncs, or should I also spam Iron Head? For the latter, I'd need a way to deal with gauge issues.

[royal jolt]

if you're determined to use Rose, maybe save Iron Head for the last few seconds of the match because on the off chance you land a flinch, it takes valuable time

As for who to pair with, a team of BP Barry, Rose, and SC Steven will work

[unique abyss]

Finally

[royal jolt]

Nice work!

[unique abyss]

thanks, too much rng tho

[narrow oriole]

"Determined" to use Rose? Is there a better option I have?

[royal jolt]

Trust me, I heard that 🥹

[royal jolt]

I see you have 4/5 Colress and 2/5 SC Selene. If you can EX Colress, he is capable of hitting 1M with a team of BP Barry and SC Selene

[narrow oriole]

I can't EX Colress before this challenge is over. What composition can I use instead?

[royal jolt]

Then, I'm afraid your options are very slim. My last resort would've been Solgaleo, but since you cannot EX anyone before the challenge is over, I can't think of any good solutions

[unique abyss]

With non ex grimsley u should be able to get ~600k

paired with sc steven and barry

[royal jolt]

the issue with that is Colress needs physical attack buffs

[narrow oriole]

But is Rose really not good for this? Shouldn't the Tech EXR boost his AOE Sync Move enough?

[royal jolt]

unless that 600k is already factoring in neutral attack

not enough to reach 1M, sadly. That's why nukes are very valuable in this mode

[pastel bone]

any good teams for shauna?

shame I only have p!marnie and scselene at 1/5 only

[royal jolt]

no Steel-type strikers?

[fiery seal]

bump

for shauna

[pastel bone]

This is what I have currently

[unique abyss]

With Marnie and Barry u should be able to get 900k iirc

[pastel bone]

I feel like poppy could be good

[normal parcel]

Poppy is good

[unique abyss]

using Grimsley with others u should get a lot more

[royal jolt]

Rose, BP Barry, and SC Selene should do the job

[normal parcel]

Ofc you need 3/5

[pastel bone]

I do have her sprint exr and also tech role for rose

[normal parcel]

Poppy rose and Gloria are the Better options (at the proper levels)

[pastel bone]

@icy pendant you have a team sorry I keep bugging you on that

I mean at least I figured out how to do bug one before

[royal jolt]

You have a pretty good Steel-type roster. Poppy, Rose, or Gloria can easily net you 1M

[icy pendant]

yeah wait where did my submission go @vernal condor? not in the data, not in pending

[vernal condor]

It's 100% worse than my score with the same team and less investment

so i didn't keep it

[icy pendant]

mm fair

[vernal condor]

your selene grid isn't optimal

you don't need zone extension

[icy pendant]

I just used nc blue melony sc selene and was destroyed by missed crits

[pastel bone]

I feel like Gloria would need 5/5 though bc of the grid expansion

But I'm more confident in rose and poppy

[pastel bone]

Fair, my sc selene isn't good enough yet

[vernal condor]

if you wanna try again, with +6E you can do this

[icy pendant]

yeah I was looking at that or grabbing top sync power node but there's no good way to get there

[pastel bone]

Though I do need to invest in either p!Marnie or SC selene

Probably SC selene

[royal jolt]

Rose's Haymaker and Steel DF Sync-up 5 will be your go-tos. SC Selene can provide Steel Zone, which makes things much easier. And BP Barry can run through sync countdown

You can also try subbing in Colress for Barry in order to get Defense drops

[pastel bone]

Maybe could pinch her from the tier scout paid gem when it rolls around

For tier a, b, c whichever one she's in

[vernal condor]

selene ? none lol

i don't think special costumes are in it

[pastel bone]

I forgot what pairs were in it tbf

[vernal condor]

only seasonals

[pastel bone]

Then I might take winter sycamore for the grass debuff

I'll have to see who I need tbh

Or p!marnie

[icy pendant]

yeah immediate nearly 1.6 million with a noticeable missed crit thanks maelmc

[vernal condor]

compared to my run you have +25 sync power and head start

and super powered? dont remember if you had that

[icy pendant]

nah cs2

[vernal condor]

well 25 sync power is still something

[icy pendant]

there's can I do more and do I care to do more which unfortunately have different answers

[vernal condor]

i didnt crit avalugg on my last sync in my run

[pastel bone]

I remember there's a guide for using solgaleo, red, and colress

But it's not in English for 1M

[icy pendant]

oh wait 1.6 is worth submitting to the doc now isn't it

[vernal condor]

yes

[icy pendant]

fine I'll actually get 1.6 then

[pastel bone]

Adept do you have any of the units I have

[jagged radish]

Who should I pair 3/5 EXR Rose with for max damage? Colress and?

[pastel bone]

Steel units I should clarify

[vernal condor]

tbf you can just check where they click

doesnt matter that it's in english or not

[pastel bone]

Yeah it's not about the moves, it's more of the lucky skills

[vernal condor]

cs2 solgaleo, head start the other 2 probably

[jagged radish]

I check the pins... but then someone crazy decides to use accelgor as an evasion tank instead of a regular sleeper and number rise

[vernal condor]

or super powered solgaleo

[jagged radish]

so that's why i'm asking if anything special like that here

[pastel bone]

Barry with roserade, redlax, Mallory, NC!rosa as some ideas

[vernal condor]

no lol

[jagged radish]

k ty

colress and melony it sounds like lol

[icy pendant]

unfortunately we are very polarized on what steel units we've invested in, you've invested in all the ones I haven't and I've invested in all the ones you haven't

[pastel bone]

[vernal condor]

you don't need colress with a 4/5 poppy, maybe you have something better

[jolly violet]

Poppy can do everything Colress does.

Any Steel zone setter is better than Colress.

[crude sandal]

Well I've used both V. Thorton and Colress

[jolly violet]

If you use 3/5 Poppy then you don't need Colress

[crude sandal]

Well, I used 5/5 Gloria

[jolly violet]

That's why I was reply to someone

Colress can go with Gloria, Rose, Solgaleo... But not Poppy

Since Poppy can do everything Colress does then its better to use Steel zone or Steel rebuff to make Poppy do more dmg.

[misty forge]

Poppy is slower than colress at his job tbh

More text popup

[jolly violet]

1M more dmg is worth it

[misty forge]

who's the third anyway

[cursive linden]

[misty forge]

ah cred

🤢

[cursive linden]

What shall be my best rock team for single rock DC?

[misty forge]

Definitely NC silver

[unique abyss]

My Silver is 1/5 so ig Gordie is my best pick

[cursive linden]

Alright

[pallid girder]

You can put them together in the same team.
It'll need to be tested first but sometimes paralysis + sleep is not the best strategy if you can get more value from other team building.

[cursive linden]

Very well

It shall be Paulo-Silver-Silver-Silver-Paulo(Max)-Silver(BMove)

[fluid anvil]

the rank 1 result right now was done with Gloria, right ?

[vernal condor]

Probably

[pallid girder]

We don't know. I've seen 3M Poppy too but I don't know if that run could be improved or not.

[vernal condor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonMasters/comments/1enudxp/please_allow_me_to_enjoy_this_1st_place_for_the_5/?share_id=roAkVhjxE91FCBznbrNw5&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1 @icy pendant this you? if so do you mind the run again and record it, and if not well we like free pings

[icy pendant]

that is not, thank you for the free ping

my gloria is remarkably not 0/5 but also not 5/5

[vernal condor]

not my fault if they're called adept too

[icy pendant]

I only have a reddit account to flex my world record speedrun in r/splatoon lol

[vernal condor]

yeah i know you make splatoon stuff and their real username is ink_addict so i figured it really could be you

like come on

[icy pendant]

oh well they're doing a better job at being me than I am

[vernal condor]

lol

[fluid anvil]

But its definitely Gloria or Poppy, right ? Not Rose?

[vernal condor]

oh yeah

i didn't see rose reach 2M

[pallid girder]

Yes not Rose. One of his sync multipliers rely on damage field really hurt him.

Imagine if it's not the case so he could've always spam 2.5x sync.

[crude sandal]

Ok, recalcing for 3v3 grass team, with the team I'm using, Mix Red barely beats Adaman assuming you have Redlax on the team

[vernal condor]

the fact a st sync beats the aoe one lmao

grass is craving better aoe syncs

[crude sandal]

If Adaman can do -6 defense, then he beats Mix Red no matter what

[icy pendant]

can't he though with enfeeble 2 or not enough energy?

[crude sandal]

Not enough

[pallid girder]

I don't think Adaman would get ex striker sadly.

[tired narwhal]

I really wanna give candies to poppy to try 3m run but with anni coming I only have 2 striker candies

[crude sandal]

+25 sync move damage is better than Enfeeble 2

[icy pendant]

oh 5/5 adaman can

[vernal condor]

i think adaman gets sprint and irida field, that would make sense

[fluid anvil]

Its enough

[icy pendant]

needs 5/5 adaman but yeah

[vernal condor]

barely

[crude sandal]

Ah, right, I forgot he can infinitely reapply sun

[vernal condor]

oh wait left side

[crude sandal]

So no need for Drought Alert

[vernal condor]

so yeah he can do it

[fluid anvil]

But I still dont believe he can beat Mix Red in 3v3 (as he is now, without EXR). We'll see

[tired narwhal]

What field effect buffs flying again? Sandstorm?

[icy pendant]

flying zone and that's it

[tired narwhal]

That’s it ::

:/

[lusty galleon]

Adam did the clear, almost 2.5m

[vernal condor]

ah

but adam doesnt share anything so w/e

[crude sandal]

If Adaman is without strike or sprint EXR, then Mix Red wins

Or field actually

[icy pendant]

still Adaman being competitive in a 3v3 dc as is looks really good for st

[crude sandal]

Strike/Sprint/Field are the best possible options for him

Field enables you to bring a SEUN unit

[lusty galleon]

hmmm

wonder who nukes harder, Adaman or SC Rosa

[pallid girder]

Every types only have 1 WTZ to buff its dmg inherently. Like hail doesn't buff ice type unless they have multiplier about it.

[crude sandal]

That depends on the team

[pallid girder]

And funnily in DC I'm thinking Hail less ice type team would actually be stronger.

[crude sandal]

ST fire will be really conflicting

[fluid anvil]

how so? ST fire is 100% NC Leaf

[unique abyss]

Gordie/NC Leaf/Melony

[icy pendant]

ss may hits harder

[fluid anvil]

probably with NC BLue for debuffs

[icy pendant]

especially when leaf is used as an enabler

[crude sandal]

I'm thinking of Redlax/NC Leaf/Chase

[fluid anvil]

there is no way SS may syncs harder than NC Leaf, given that Leaf has her own sun and -2 rebuffs

[crude sandal]

How fast is Leer spam?

[icy pendant]

SS May has an entire extra multiplier

[crude sandal]

It's only a question of fully setting it up

How can she fully set up her innate, Inertia and Cakewalk?

[icy pendant]

it's defense and speed which leaf sets up

[vernal condor]

leaf can't drop speed

[crude sandal]

She can with her B Move

And May has Trip Wire

[vernal condor]

bleh

ig

[icy pendant]

leaf may is actually going to cook for fire st

[fluid anvil]

you cannot beat compressing sun and -2 rebuff (AND support sync) into 1 unit

[vernal condor]

both of them then

[icy pendant]

leaf also burns which lets you run slot 3 as a sing user potentially

[crude sandal]

With Chase and Redlax

[unique abyss]

gordie can burn and sets 2x fire rebuff

[icy pendant]

gordie burns on reactive passive though

[crude sandal]

Just like Chase

[icy pendant]

but chase has evasion

[fluid anvil]

Chase/blue + Melony + NC Leaf my comp for Fire 3v1

[crude sandal]

If epeen strat with V. Thorton/Gloria/Colress worked here, I'm gonna do the same for ST fire

[crude sandal]

May does have speed down, and it helps in stalling the enemy so yeah

[icy pendant]

fire st is actually going to be the first type where I can actually try everything so that I am looking forward to

[pallid girder]

Rebuff caps at -3. Iirc -2 is 1.5x and -3 is 1.6x, so another rebuff is not really impactful to NC Leaf.
NC Blue has 20% sync boost passive, and Chase has 40% sync boost circle. They'll be more impactful.

[crude sandal]

What's your team here?

[vernal condor]

nc leaf and idk

prob melony as people said

[crude sandal]

I guess +4 and +6 attack buff makes little difference?

[vernal condor]

oh shoot right

drops adrenaline and pick tm mpr then

[icy pendant]

tm mpr is a kind of adrenaline too

[pallid girder]

How do you buff her spe to max? I've checked her kit and it seem she only buff +2 on entry or am I missing something?

[lusty galleon]

if only Anni N had EX R....

NC Leaf + Anni N + sync rusher*

Gloria also has a possible option there

[acoustic chasm]

Striker to fix his stats and double down on the expand reach gimmick

[crude sandal]

Let me know how fast is Leer spam

I'll be off now

[pallid girder]

Prob not. AltGloira can be the best in Flying is bc she has insane -cd passive in flying mode.
Her fire mode doesn't have that.

[icy pendant]

alt gloria just as a sync accelerator though seems interesting

I don't know if that's anything more than "interesting" though

[royal jolt]

It'd only be good for one round off-type

Field EXR for Alt. 2 Gloria when?

[lusty galleon]

her Fire has simple things:

• Haymaker + Brawn Sync 5, Innate is simply having Rebuff
• Soften Up (4/5)
• MAX Double Down 5 + MAX Super Preparation
• make her the main target with +2 Evasion

NC Leaf as partner for first sync is most what she needs

this is just for ST, of course

[pallid girder]

Oh I'm sure AltGloria can do 1M, but just not sure if she can be the top.

[icy pendant]

nc leaf demanding the least out of her teammates is definitely attractive though

[pallid girder]

NC Leaf can do Chase + Red and spam herself ig

[lusty galleon]

Leer has "delay" penalty sadly

[pallid girder]

Well if the dmg output is higher, the penalty doesn't matter.

SS Cyrus also has slower spam than Melony, but he becomes the better spammer for NC Marnie in the end.

[tired narwhal]

Do we know what next DC will be ?

And when

[vernal condor]

[vernal condor]

ss cyrus' spam is still faster than leer spam

[tired narwhal]

Hmm rock

[vernal condor]

leer penality is just very slow

[thin wren]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=009003050801&s0=5&l0=140&r0=5&p0=0&a0=15010101&t0=11111&g0=AAECAwQF&v1=015802071902&s1=5&l1=140&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016403&t1=11111&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFCAwOEBESFBUbHjQ1&v2=009900040700&s2=5&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=15010101&t2=44444&g2=AAECAwQGCAsNEBMWGhwfISQmKQ

Planning on going with this for dc(sc Steven is only 1/5)

should I swap sc Steven with redlax and go elio instead of barry?

[olive obsidian]

Man id like to use melony but shes too fast, my points constantly get left at 0

[edgy hemlock]

anyone have a Rose clear? i dont have pal Marnie and the rest of my limited steel types are not 3/5

[robust meteor]

I don't see Rose anywhere on the Challenge Clears doc... does that mean he's just no good for this, even multitarget?

haha someone asked basically the same thing

[thin wren]

adam got 2.5 mil with rose but he doesn't post the details on doc

[robust meteor]

oh do you know of the details?

team? move levels? sync grids? anything?

[pallid girder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonMasters/comments/1eoyw0f/23m_steel_challenge_with_rose_and_bianca/
Reddit has this. Not 2.5M but 2.3M.

[cloud timber]

the screenshot

adam's

[robust meteor]

great thank you!

[pallid girder]

Try the usual Colress + Red Ig

[edgy hemlock]

Oh i dont have Thorton :(

[edgy hemlock]

I did and I got 900k max. Just gotta get lucky with crits i guess

[thin wren]

W

[pallid girder]

You can try Elio instead of Colress. He's faster and doesn't have gauge issue like Melony. Just rmb to paralyze the opponent by Red turn 1 then spam Elio's sing.

[crude sandal]

Damn, I'm at master 16, I guess I got pretty lucky with my run huh?

[normal parcel]

Sprint isn't great for a damage dealer

Field will be overall the best, strike will make him devastating for 3v3

Support and sprint are the saddest options

[rare apex]

strike adaman would be big funny

[normal parcel]

For st field will be funny too

[rare apex]

i'm of the opinion they'll give adaman field and irida sprint however

[normal parcel]

I'm fine with adamant getting field

[golden tiger]

Done and dusted, had a lot of spare field candies for selene

[vernal condor]

@crude sandal when you did calcs with adaman, who were his partners

i think this team has some serious arguments

[teal harness]

would this be a good grid for gladion for fairy run?

[vernal condor]

if you go all the way there for sde2 you might as well pick overpower

to save time you might want to do that tho, that way you only fleur cannon once on each opp and that's it. Your 1st sync with him will be weaker but it's the 1st sync it's fine

[normal parcel]

Aren't spatt debuffs needed only for the b move?

Isn't the sync multiplier brain power?

[vernal condor]

ah brainpower is spa increase, not decrease

nvm then

[teal harness]

yeah, and speedster sync too

[normal parcel]

You just want the opponents -6 by the end of the battle

Don't know if super syncer is worth over a sync tile

[crude sandal]

SS Acerola and Melony

[normal parcel]

Who paralyzes then?

[crude sandal]

Hmmmm, good question

I guess Redlax instead of SS Acerola

[normal parcel]

Sadly unless you are mix red, grassy terrain is unviable

[crude sandal]

Why don't we have a GT Stun Spore unit

[normal parcel]

Greta has spore so not really useful

[pallid girder]

I mean you can do SS Acerola + Colress. The spam would be slightly slower but you have the spam

[normal parcel]

Yes but you lose an extra support ex, and is slower

[crude sandal]

I mean, it helps to complete the defense drops for Adaman

[normal parcel]

Plus SS acerola wants second sync

1st sync is too soon, and grassy terrain won't last enough

[cloud timber]

i wouldn't say gt stun spore is viable for dc when you have to deal with gt regen bc stun spore is grass

maybe for melony setup

[normal parcel]

I mean you use it once then sing spam

[cloud timber]

yeah i didn't get it until a second after i hit enter lol

[crude sandal]

What are the stages where there's potential to go to 5M+?

[vernal condor]

it wouldnt be good

stun spore would heal you, wasting even more time

[normal parcel]

Like I said, you click it only once, then you spam wit melony

The problem with current gt setters is that none can paralyze and melony can't spam without a statused opponent

We don't need a gt spammer, just a gt that can enable spam

Sing is normal so it won't heal in gt

[vernal condor]

either works

edlegoss has grassy terrain and sing

[crude sandal]

Anyone?
#1255888121648644197 message

[normal parcel]

A gt unit with either sing or stun spore should be fine

If it has both even better

[teal harness]

I wonder if gordie will do good against barry, since its a solo rock challenge, so rock sync nukes are welcome

[normal parcel]

Gordie will be the f2p option

[crude sandal]

Sing/Sleep Powder and Stun Spore

[pallid girder]

It's hard to tell until we see the performance really.
But considering the current top score, the only possible options are tech + ex striker or striker + field (interchangeable).

[normal parcel]

Sleep powder is useless

[teal harness]

or maybe ss diantha

[normal parcel]

That's the premium one

[crude sandal]

Oh yeah

[vernal condor]

fuel economy sleep powder trust

[pallid girder]

For premium Paulo would get 1M too, just not the top. Maybe LSteven too.

[normal parcel]

You don't want sleep powder in grassy terrain

[vernal condor]

ah i thought the conv moved from grassy terrain lol

[teal harness]

Im checking her grid for 3/5, cuz that's how mine it is for now

[normal parcel]

At this point fuel economy stun spore is already Enough if you aren't on grassy terrain

[teal harness]

her sync move multipliers are cakewalk and scholar's sync

[vernal condor]

true fuel economy stun spore is better

[normal parcel]

Should be enough if exr, but you will have to pray for those crits

Fuel economy thunder wave is even better because it works even in grassy terrain

[teal harness]

true,though she does gets honing hit 9

[normal parcel]

But not soften up

[pallid girder]

Fuel economy Sing

[normal parcel]

Fuel economy 2 thunder wave

[teal harness]

who can reduce speed with a status move? cuz her rock tomb would take too much to get the opponent to -6

[vernal condor]

i dont think they'll ever make a non-b free move

[normal parcel]

Not even splash is free

[normal parcel]

SC steven

[pallid girder]

I think I need to settle for SS Silver bc no SC Steven.

[teal harness]

dont have him, crap

[normal parcel]

For st, dojo Gloria is faster

But does just the debuff

[cloud timber]

free splash would actually be usable though maybe not for dc

gauge consumption keeps it useless

[normal parcel]

That and the fact that only Magikarp has it so far

[pallid girder]

SS Silver has support + sprint vibe.

With -6 cd + exr support

[normal parcel]

For speed debuffs I guess pal Serena is a decent option

She has stun spore

[crude sandal]

Does water have potential for 5M+?

[normal parcel]

Maybe classic elesa is a decent option too, she has paralysis and thundershock is quite fast

[crude sandal]

Shock Factor

[normal parcel]

For my anni may clear she worked well

She also has electric terrain to make sing a bit faster (but not sure if the max move works like field ex since for anni may I needed psychic terrain)

[cloud timber]

dahlia does have the most multipliers packed into one unit that i know of

though i don't have the best knowledge of the entire roster

[normal parcel]

How many multiplier she has?

I know she has interference sync 9 and interference is bad in dc

[cloud timber]

rain, rebuff, debuffs, innate, tech ex, interference sync

[crude sandal]

And she has Teeter Dance too

[normal parcel]

But confusion is slow and doesn't even lasts much

Teeter dance is also slow

[crude sandal]

She also has Super Interference

[normal parcel]

Isn't super duper ?

[crude sandal]

Oh yeah, that one

Forgot her grid

[normal parcel]

But muddy water isn't the fastest thing

[cloud timber]

yea i don't remember her exact grid so there could be more that i didn't mention

[pallid girder]

Need to apply Teeter Dance once and prob need to reapply it again. That'll hurt

[normal parcel]

She feels kinda like NC cheren, she has the stuffs, but enabling them is time consuming

[crude sandal]

Eusine is unreliable too since he needs weather and trap

[cloud timber]

yea bit of time consumption on confusion but having all the other stuff should make her one of the strongest options still

[normal parcel]

I mean dahlia probably will still be the best option, but I don't think she will score insanely high

Ok maybe if you get super lucky

[crude sandal]

LySSandre needs to burn his enemies

[normal parcel]

Like confusion lasting the whole battle + self hits

[pallid girder]

Also Superduper can only make 1 sync SE
Unless you're gonna try muddy water before every sync.

[normal parcel]

At least burn unlike confusion frees the paralysis slot

[teal harness]

I think volcanion will be insane on triple water, it gets 3 sync multipliers

[normal parcel]

Burn isn't optimal but I guess less annoying than confusion

[teal harness]

yes

[normal parcel]

I think confusion is the bottom of the barrel

Trap is also close (but at least lasts more)

[pallid girder]

Yes confusion eats your time but doesn't guaranteed to earn you extra pts in return.

Trap at least guaranteed to earn you extra pts

[normal parcel]

I mean if you get really lucky, confusion may last enough and cancel some attacks, but the odds are really slim

I guess is more likely to hit discharge 30% AOE flinch before each sync than hoping for several self hits/long confusion

If you slot NC blue

[warped gulch]

Ew, imagine healing every Stun Spore

[normal parcel]

Like 1 time

[warped gulch]

Stun Spore is grass move

[normal parcel]

Yes but you use it once

[warped gulch]

It will healing every single time

[normal parcel]

Sing will still be the spam

Stun spore isn't even spammable by itself

You just need it to paralyze

[warped gulch]

Ah you want to use it with Sing

[normal parcel]

Yes that's the plan

Probablem is that if you use something like SS acerola then you can't sing spam

Maybe in single target I think sing is usable with SS acerola, I guess the opponents not moving can make a bit for the animation, but they won't waste gauge

Wondering if Agatha may be viable in ghost st

On paper she should have the strongest f2p ghost nuke, but she needs sleep

Second option should be allister but it still needs poison

3rd option I think is Helena , but no 6ex and smarty pants (but she paralyzes)

[warped gulch]

At least Poison can enable Sing spam it self

So you can use E Victor

[normal parcel]

Same for the other 2 I guess (with Agatha you just want sleep/hypnosis to connect)

[warped gulch]

Helene doesn’t have Ex really hurt her dmg

[normal parcel]

Ok maybe Helena can't afford the horse because of smarty pants

Plus no 6ex

[warped gulch]

For Agatha, ofc you can Sing spam only

I used it before

But really rng

https://youtu.be/qy5HjCFOugc?si=TjCf4_nk9IYc_-Bj

It depends on how many turn you can Sing before enemy wake up

[pallid girder]

Posion & EVictor?

[warped gulch]

Allister need Poison for his multiplier

[pallid girder]

Oh Allister!

I think restrain is still my biggest headache about him, more than poison.

I don't have SC Steven so I need to pick restrain after sync tile and it'll be some dmg lost in grid + a lot of extra animation.

[thin wren]

aoe flying and ice. Nate got like 4.4 mil and he's almost the perfect dc unit so idk if anyone can do 5 mil

[acoustic chasm]

You can use the max move instead

[pallid girder]

I don't think it'll last the entire battle, no?

[acoustic chasm]

It does

[thin wren]

is restrain move based?if so it should

[acoustic chasm]

Restrain doesn't go away unless the opponent has a cleansing passive

Or on LA bar transitions

[warped gulch]

It can go away

For 3vs3 it doesn’t bc enemy doesn’t move that much

[thin wren]

It just stays a while

[warped gulch]

But ST

It definitely will

[thin wren]

St simply para everytime

Just win

[acoustic chasm]

Really? I thought the description said it only ends when HP reaches 0

[warped gulch]

Nope

[thin wren]

no

[warped gulch]

You can see Nessa

She applies that to herself

[nova remnant]

Someone already did 1m Gordie during the rock 3v3

[thin wren]

F2p as well iirc

well it had redlax

so not full f2p ig

[nova remnant]

Anyone here would like to try Lodge Steven when this refreshes?

[royal jolt]

it's ST Rock?

[warped gulch]

Stealth Rock

[crude sandal]

Yes

[royal jolt]

I could give it a go. But DF loses so much time

maybe I can see a team of NC Rosa, Lodge Steven, and NC Blue?

[nova remnant]

I forgot his innate is fucking rock DF lmao

Wish he has a better one like idk brainpower

[royal jolt]

yeah

I dunno if I should be glad Gauntlet made me EX my Gordie, but I guess we'll find out soon

[nova remnant]

I saw a 1m Gordie back during 3v3

[pallid girder]

I'm more curious about which striker will use DPS build to reach 1M this time.

[nova remnant]

Forgot what's the team tho

[royal jolt]

Likely not even a striker. Just Gordie lol

[pallid girder]

For Ground it's SS Gio and SC Adaman.
For Bug it's SC Barry and Alder.

[acoustic chasm]

Oh wow, was it changed at some point?

[royal jolt]

"passive skills that force a switch"

ayo? Next MF will force the opponent to just leave

[nova remnant]

Roar meta soon? 😳

[acoustic chasm]

Oleana already tried that with her TM

[royal jolt]

Incineroar Parting Shot 🤪

[nova remnant]

Omg

NC Masked Royal

[royal jolt]

INTIMIDATE CYCLE IS BACK

[crude sandal]

B Memento

[thin wren]

incen as op as it is in vgc when

[royal jolt]

we can never really escape it

[thin wren]

incen as dc opp when

[crude sandal]

Lando T. being the strongest ground DD here would be funny

[thin wren]

drops our stats on entry and sync

[fluid anvil]

Irida Sprint makes 0 sense thematically. If either of the 2 gets Sprint - its Adaman
Irida is probably Field, or Support or Strike
most likely its:
Adaman - Sprint (Time = sprint/acceleration)
Irida - Field (Space = field effect .. or something)

[royal jolt]

I will never ever pull Nita from the BP exchange

not to be that person, but they gave Lucas, who has Dialga, a Support EXR...

[fluid anvil]

Adaman - SS Acerola - BP barry is usable

[loud cedar]

i wonder how meh mix red will be for grass dc at 1/5

they should give more field coins

[crude sandal]

Stun Spore will troll you

[loud cedar]

ugh

[royal jolt]

wasting time on heals lmao

[nova remnant]

Elio sing should be fine? I hope

Oh wait

Nvr no para

[fluid anvil]

oh yeah because terrain heals .. damn

[nova remnant]

Guess just Colress your way through it

[royal jolt]

I think I might use Colress, SS Erika, and SS Lyra. I wish my Adaman was at 3/5 so bad

[nova remnant]

Grass is still so long hopefully I would already have a 3/5 Colress by then

[crude sandal]

And what if you don't?

[nova remnant]

[crude sandal]

I'm gonna try how fast is Leer spam tomorrow

[acoustic chasm]

I wonder how would her passive interact with EXR zone. Would the hail activate before or after sync?

[fluid anvil]

before

[normal parcel]

I don't know whats the problem with restrain, his max move applies restrain, and restrain lasts a lot (it should last the whole match) it doesn't adds animations or anything, I don't think what's the problem with restrain

[normal parcel]

It goes away, but it lasts a lot

It lasts definitely more than trap

Expecially if you restrain just before your 1st allister sync

[crude sandal]

Restrain lasts for like, what, 8 moves too?

[pallid girder]

If it'll go away, it'll be a big problem for ppl who don't have SC Steven, LIKE ME.

[normal parcel]

I mean if you restrain just before 1st allister sync it should probably last enough

By then the opponent gauge should be quite bad, and I don't think it will act much regardless

[crude sandal]

Hmmm, 3v3 fire-weak I'm wondering

[pallid girder]

I'll just test it when the next 3v1 DC comes ig.

[fluid anvil]

3v3 Fire Mix Blue will be the best 100%

[crude sandal]

Along with who?

[fluid anvil]

probably Chase-Melony as usual
maybe you can try to fit in NC leaf for rebuffs, but probably not optimal

[thin wren]

my guess is mix blue chase melony

[crude sandal]

Silver will kinda go hard here

[thin wren]

could gordie silver melony get 1 mil for the f2p dudes in fire aoe?

[crude sandal]

And also, SS Nemona is conveniently released during 3v3 fairy

[nova remnant]

Speaking of dropping conveniently
Dragon ST is slated just around anni day and we also have dragon CS weakness, smells like a new dragon tech

[pallid girder]

I expect SS Nemona uses sunny day will have super loooong animation .

[fluid anvil]

dragon CS (and Dragon HSE) is probably because Lance Dragonite is getting that champ trio upgrade on anni

[crude sandal]

Wait, how did LuSSa get a very high score in 3v3 psychic-weak?

[loud cedar]

wdym by that 🔍

[loud cedar]

what’s warranting the confusion? i feel like she’s good no?

[pallid girder]

We need more dragon supports tho. If they make another dmg dealing oriented dragon tech I'll be quite mad.

[nova remnant]

That was the very first DC, back when people are still figuring out the optimal play

[crude sandal]

Because I'll need this answer by 3v1 rock-weak

[loud cedar]

i see

[nova remnant]

We certainly do not have the stun/sleep fail chain that we have today back then

[copper otter]

Ooh next weekend is triple fairy.

It's time.

[crude sandal]

LuSSa was good because of her TM MPR right?

[loud cedar]

its time

[nova remnant]

Real

[loud cedar]

maybe ss nemona outclasses ss gladion but im glad i have him for 3v3

[nova remnant]

That was part of it yeah

[fluid anvil]

no guarantee that she does

[loud cedar]

im wondering whats the best team for ss glad though

[crude sandal]

[copper otter]

Real talk, imma use the real MVP.

[nova remnant]

True ngl lmao
Both dragon and ground have a pretty underwhelming supports in terms of numbers

[loud cedar]

oh i forgot about her

whats her sync multipliers

[copper otter]

Good

[nova remnant]

Inertia and brawn sync 5 iirc

[loud cedar]

sheesh

[crude sandal]

She also has SEUN on her TM IIRC

[copper otter]

She has super sync 9

So she is GUARANTEED SEUN EACH SYNC

[crude sandal]

Ah, that one

[nova remnant]

She'll get SEUN after every sync

[pallid girder]

She has AOE DPS + strong sync on type + SSLana being a Alola PT setter + NC Rosa being support / sprint / rebuff combination

[copper otter]

Brawn sync 3 btw

[thin wren]

hassel real

[nova remnant]

So true

[crude sandal]

Looks like SS Diantha will repeat history here

[nova remnant]

Should've been 5 smh

Or 9

[copper otter]

Gonna need someone to raise ny lisia's speed

[thin wren]

I'd guess wally, him and Barry?

[loud cedar]

probably

[thin wren]

so basically 180%

I think ss glad gets at least 3 mil

[nova remnant]

Wally has +2 speed on entry yeah

[thin wren]

his b move is not limited by the damage cap

[loud cedar]

and both him and wally have sprint exr

[thin wren]

cuz it's aoe no split

so landing 400k on one means 1.2 mil total

[crude sandal]

Gladion also has Super Syncer

[loud cedar]

he can get at most 2 b moves too right?

[thin wren]

wally drops special attack, has fairy zone and rebuff, has very fast accel to make his sync not a waste and he's wally

[thin wren]

he does?

[crude sandal]

Yes

[nova remnant]

Yeah at 3/5

[pallid girder]

I didn't see enough but I think Rock 3v3 didn't really use para/sing spam too. The only 3M I've seen is Paulo + SCDiantha + NC Silver.

[thin wren]

Yes

[loud cedar]

gordie not too bad for f2p too

[thin wren]

tbf rock 3v3 was more so cuz sand

diantha compresses zone and has a strong and easy nuke

field exr means she only needs rock zone anim once

her tm even has -3 cd

[loud cedar]

yup

diantha barry redlax?

[crude sandal]

Gladion will need SS Wally for full multipliers

[loud cedar]

ss wally gobsmack

eugh

[copper otter]

1/5 so i'll pass

[pallid girder]

It's just one roll tho.
You'll never touch Wally's other move except his bmove.

[crude sandal]

50/50

[thin wren]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/11901/80100?s=5&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFERQXGBobKCstLg&x=true

How does this grid look

[fluid anvil]

SS Diantha Redlax Elio

[loud cedar]

i cant believe there is a world where you’ll reset on confusion

[copper otter]

Imma go Larry/Colress/NY lisia next week

[thin wren]

Gonna go with this comp then

[copper otter]

But ivwish i could max out that atk....

[thin wren]

I might go chase melony ss glad or melony. Mina fzing is not the best imo

rng should be minimal

cuz ss glad has soften up

[thin wren]

anything I should change in the grid

[copper otter]

Aight hear me out.

[thin wren]

no

[pallid girder]

Maybe Gladion would be better with SS Wally + BP Barry. For the delicious rebuff + zone + spatk debuff compression

[copper otter]

[thin wren]

I would definitely do that

if I had ss Wally

[fluid anvil]

ss wally is required

[warped gulch]

I tried Volo before, he’ll be so good if he has Supp cake

[fluid anvil]

for best score

[warped gulch]

[thin wren]

I will be fine with something like 2.5 mil

[thin wren]

WHY DENA WHY

aghefhadjifft

[copper otter]

He has T-Move spatk+atk up 9, but i'm confused by its wording

[pallid girder]

Yes for some reason they think field having ex support is a deadly combo so we never got one after VThorton

[copper otter]

"Raises the users atk and spatk by 1 after the trainer uses it move...." but does that mean togepi only or the user i just buffed?

[thin wren]

yardenia

[pallid girder]

Oh forget her lol.

[thin wren]

User's

not target's

[copper otter]

So.... togepi only?

[thin wren]

so togepi

[copper otter]

Paing

[warped gulch]

But his Tm still really good

[thin wren]

how does nemona look for this?

[copper otter]

Doesn't help ny lisia tho

[thin wren]

does her circle last long enough?

[warped gulch]

Just insta +4 Atk/SpA & +3 crit

[thin wren]

and is the extra wtz animation worth it over ss glad?

[warped gulch]

And no Endure or Field effect like Thoron or Yardenia

[thin wren]

she immediately sets paldea circle after

so that's more anim as well

how long does paldea circle last?

[pallid girder]

When she use sunny, you need to wait sunny + Paldea circle + all the PMUN stack animation.

[copper otter]

My cooking rn.

[pallid girder]

Which is quite deadly be it might let you lose one sync.

[thin wren]

btw if you want three paldea circs(she has 0 extension) you need sync burst

[vernal condor]

eh

[copper otter]

WAIT NY LISIA HAS FT9 ON QUICK ATTACK

[thin wren]

and you need 4/5 if you wanna pick sync burst and all her nuke tiles

[copper otter]

Max multipliers

Fz and Sync boost on circle

Ooooh this gonna be spicy

And Seun on sync

[thin wren]

ss glad has 150% sync (super syncer gives him+50%) and his nuclear b move x2 so idt nemona beats him

Nemona has 190% plus 20% from circle so 210% sync?

[pallid girder]

Super syncer is one time only tho.

[fluid anvil]

tbh Lisia will probably beat SS Nemona in Fairy 3v3

[thin wren]

It is?

guh

Still ss glad should be better

[fluid anvil]

Super Sync 9 >> Super Syncer

[copper otter]

LEMME COOK.

[thin wren]

eh, nemona sync isn't weaker right?plus nemona has a 6 pmun stack b move at the end

[fluid anvil]

Nemona wastes too much time and doenst have Super Sync 9

[copper otter]

Ny lisia has PMUN by 3 on her tm

[thin wren]

How much time doesn't circle plus sun take?

[copper otter]

50 secs

Unless extended

[thin wren]

???????

I am taking about use time

[copper otter]

Oh use!

Depends on what else the circle does

[thin wren]

still helpful information

[thin wren]

so she needs to use sunny day on 1 minute 40 seconds unless she's 4/5

cuz I can't find a way to grab sync burst and all sync multipliers without+8 energy

[copper otter]

That checks out

[thin wren]

So she needs 4/5 to be able to even sync all the time with max power

I think fairy aoe will be ss glad>4/5 nemona=ny lisia>3/5 nemona>everyone else

[pallid girder]

She can pair w Penny for rebuff + extra paldea stack ig

[thin wren]

you are giving up wally then tho ....

[vernal condor]

im burning the kitchen

[thin wren]

80% boost vs 60% boost tho tbf you get support exr

[copper otter]

Not eggsylveon lmao

[sacred badger]

is that forr Fairy 3v3?

Palentine Serena gaming o/

[vernal condor]

3v1

ig 3v3 too if i dont get nemona lol

[sacred badger]

man

she has so much dps tiles

[crude sandal]

Wrong place

[normal parcel]

Maybe SS Hilda

[fluid anvil]

not a chance

[normal parcel]

She has super effective up next for every sync

[thin wren]

how many multipliers does blue have?

sshilda has rising tide and?

so 170%?

[normal parcel]

Hilda should have rising tide + rising tide innate

[sturdy pebble]

What does Hilda get from 3/5 besides her nuke?

[normal parcel]

Does she need anything else?

[fluid anvil]

Hilda is a striker, not a tech

[thin wren]

she has inate rising tide?

[normal parcel]

Ah wait no, she's a strike

However mix blue doesn't have an innate too

[thin wren]

can leaf set sun that lasts without needing to sync?

[fluid anvil]

having sun is arguably better than Super Sync 9, because you can get SEUNs from redlax (who has paralysis too). Sun setters dont have paralysis
also Blue has a big extend-range move to drop at the end
and his sync crits are guaranteed

[pallid girder]

NC Leaf's bmove sets sun first use

[thin wren]

ok so sshilda has scorching sync 5, rising tide and super sync 9 so 220%. If you slot in a wtz or rebuff you get 270%

[normal parcel]

I mean you can still get sun from leaf that also gives rebuff

[thin wren]

does it last the entire match?

[fluid anvil]

scorching sync is bad in DC

[pallid girder]

SS Hilda is blessed for being an Unovan though, so NC Bianca would prob kick in.

[normal parcel]

Is bad but not as bad as fuzzy strike or trap and sync

[thin wren]

It's something we will take into consideration after looking at the multipliers

[normal parcel]

I mean blue is probably better just for the guaranteed crit alone

[fluid anvil]

running Hilda + leaf means you cant run sing spam
with blue you can run Blue + Redlax + Elio

[normal parcel]

You can if you plan to use scorching sync

[fluid anvil]

using burns is just a time loss IMO = dps loss

[normal parcel]

However a searing shot can likely burn at least 1 unit, if you burn just a side burn won't trigger much

I guess sun and rebuff is better than saving the burn I guess

[fluid anvil]

for 3v3 you need burns on all 3 enemies if you want the extra sync damage on all 3

[thin wren]

blue has sf5 and brainpower plus sun that's permanent plus seun on tm and no burn so that's 250%. Then chase gives 30%

so 280%

he also has sure crits

he should be able to melony freely

[normal parcel]

But if you burn 1 you can still spam sing and not waste much time with burns

[thin wren]

no burn means more syncs

plus 1 giant b move in the end

[fluid anvil]

if only 1 is burned - only 1 gets to have the Scorching Sync 5 damage

then its not even worth at all

[normal parcel]

The point is more to enable sing

Scorching sync is more a bonus

I mean if I could choose I will use blue just for the guaranteed crit regardless

[fluid anvil]

enabling sing with burn is bad. Just use paralysis IMO
thats why redlax + sing is superior to burn + sing

[thin wren]

blue realistically has 280% throughout the battle. Hilda has 270%. 320% for some of the battle but
-She has burn multiplier
-chase should give blue an extra sync
-blue has sure crit syncs

[normal parcel]

However Hilda is the best "f2p" option

[fluid anvil]

chase gives blue x1.3 extra

damage

[thin wren]

I counted that in 280%

[normal parcel]

Not that hilda is f2p but compared to mix blue she is

[thin wren]

I also counted his seun on tm

might be the first dc where I have the optimal comp

[normal parcel]

I mean a f2p player can have SS Hilda, but it 100% guaranteed can't have mix blue

[fluid anvil]

Blue has 150% sync damage + 1.3x from Chase + 1.5x from sun .. and x1.5 from SEUNs if you use redlax

[thin wren]

he has seun at base@fluid anvil

no need for redlax

[normal parcel]

However Hilda has much more attack

[thin wren]

how much?

[normal parcel]

568 vs 454

[thin wren]

That's a big attack difference but blue does have the multiplier advantage plus likely gets more syncs in

[normal parcel]

And also 2 extra sync nodes

Can blue fit rebuff?

I mean don't know how much burn will slow down

However even if Hilda can on paper score more (I'm not saying she can) I would still pick blue for the guaranteed crit (if I had him)

[sacred badger]

oh this is next week hmm

[normal parcel]

SS Hilda is still the best option that at least "exists" for f2p

The real f2p option will probably be silver

That isn't too bad, it has sun and super effective up next, but it needs some help buffing

Jokes asides, I think silver has more multipliers than p2w blue

[sacred badger]

interesting 😮

[normal parcel]

Is just that his attack stat is quite low

Inertia, solar flare 5 and solar flare 9 I think

[sacred badger]

how about SS Red 3R?

[normal parcel]

Tm gives seun, and evasion

[thin wren]

he can get leaf over chase if needed

[thin wren]

how long does his re sun setting after sync anim take

[normal parcel]

Sun shouldn't be a long animation

I think is the fastest wtz animation, but i'm not 100% sure

At least it should be faster than zone and terrain

[thin wren]

Maybe him plus leaf/chase(is his sync special?)plus melony could get 1 mil easily

[normal parcel]

His sync is physical

[thin wren]

oh then leaf

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Don't know If you want to run elio for the buffs

Silver can buff with tm, but since tm gives seen you don't want to waste it

The main issue is that he can't buff inertia by himself

[thin wren]

can't he grab beserker and mpr?

speed will be an issue tho

[normal parcel]

Yes but it gives seun too so you want to save tm for it

[thin wren]

is elio speed only+1?

[normal parcel]

Yes only +1

[thin wren]

?it has mpr

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Mpr1

[thin wren]

silver has mpr2

fish for 6 mprs or smth

[normal parcel]

However using tm 6 times is slow

If his sync was special chase or NC blue would have fixed him

[thin wren]

could dodges make up for that?

[normal parcel]

Technically

[pallid girder]

Elio has Sparkling Aria: Team Fast-Track 4. Still RNG hell and slow tho.

[thin wren]

Bianca maybe?

oh wait are we going f2p only

[normal parcel]

Not really f2p just f2p damage dealer

[sacred badger]

hilbert?

can max ATK and crit with TM.

[normal parcel]

Hilbert can fully setup him

[pallid girder]

If you want sing spam w spe buff NC Rosa fits that.

[normal parcel]

Silver can burn so you can still sing spam if you want

[pallid girder]

But for a full f2p comp yes it's Hilbert again.

[normal parcel]

Full f2p is probably Hilbert, silver and melony

Maybe corless instead of melony

I think sing with 1 burned opponent is still faster than twave, but corless can debuf def

[pallid girder]

I can't wait for Hilbert getting his expansion. Hope it's not sth mid.

What tiles can help him in DC more?

[normal parcel]

Maybe numbling blow

Or stuffs like defense destroyer

[sacred badger]

i'm not too sure about my fire3 team

likely going to be mix blue 3r, nc leaf 3r and either colress or bp barry or redlax

[rare apex]

i don't think 2/5 ss hilda will be of much use for fire3

might have to try and struggle with 3r Leon

[rain copper]

Hilda and Silver are better than him

[fluid anvil]

leon sucks here even at 3/5

[rare apex]

my dumb ass forgetting about solar flare 14 silver

yeah nvm he'll do fine

[cursive linden]

Since i don't want burning animation

[sacred badger]

wouldn't rising tide require you to use her moves a bit?

like 2-3 uses?

[cursive linden]

Just a couple V-Creates

[sacred badger]

whose syncing though?

SS Hilda all the way?

[cursive linden]

NC Leaf-SS Hilda-SS Hilda-SS Hilda-SS Hilda OR NC Leaf

[sacred badger]

hrm spicy

[cursive linden]

[loud cedar]

fire 3 will be dominated by my ss red!

although silver has so much solar flare in his grid

and seun

is he actually better lmao

[cursive linden]

Yes.

[loud cedar]

man

gordie silver colress

wokege

[misty forge]

Yeah because he won't need a sun setter

And his nuke is easier to setup iirc

[fluid anvil]

Silver is way better than SS Red
SS Red requires Haymaker setup and also sun for his multipliers

[jagged radish]

is it normal for EXR 3/5 Rose to do about 1.3m damage? don't have thorton but wonder how there are teams that get to 2.3m

in my case i used NC Blue (for speed reasons) and melony (for 1 gauge sing), but even then and using 2 TM i have abit of speed issues, so can't spam sing as effectively by the end

though it's still far off 2.3m ...

[misty forge]

Rose sync is pretty whatever

Without exr

He's more about max bombing and DPS

Which are bad for DC

[brazen dew]

Can he go higher?

Without further investments

[icy scroll]

Do you have Ex Solgaleo?

[normal parcel]

I guess everyone has ex solgaleo, is more about the power boost

[icy scroll]

I don't have!

[normal parcel]

No wait the champion spirits are locked

Only 20/20 is always available

Always forget that free legendaries use custom spirits

Depends what invested steel units you have

[wise dune]

Not breaking any records but I'm happy to clear this with Steven

[fluid anvil]

which of the remaining types will break 4M in 3v3 ? my predictions:
Fairy, Water, Electric - yes
Poison, Flying - maybe

[pallid girder]

Ice?

[fluid anvil]

I think not. NC red wont have hail and he has lower stat than NC Nate + he doesnt have the big AoE B-move bomb at the end
or the unova circle stacking

[pallid girder]

But he has 2 rebuff on himself, and Chase being perfect for him.

[fluid anvil]

thats equivalent to Nates dragon zone, both give x1.5. Same thing

[thin wren]

that much faith in ss glad b move?

[fluid anvil]

yup (I dont have SS Gladion)

[dusty ivy]

Your faith isn’t misplaced exactly

But it is a bit slow

[thin wren]

well I have no doubt that the last b fluer will hit 1.5 mil at minimum my worries are with the first b fluer

[dusty ivy]

The animation time kinda sucks

And you need to somehow get to -6 spatk

[thin wren]

b fluer only refreshes on ss glad's first sync so you NEED to b fluer before ss glad first sync

[thin wren]

that's the easy part

[dusty ivy]

No?

[thin wren]

ss wally, his ultimate enabler achieves -4

you need fluer canon 2 times anyways. 1 time per b move to unlock it

so you can't save smun from the first b fluer for the last one

I definitely think 3.5 mil is possible but 4 mil is a bit high

[thin wren]

so your first b fluer will only be at 3 sync buffs

[pallid girder]

NC Red has 2.9 multiplier w/o hail. SMUN stack (1) + spatk buff (1) + rebuff (0.9)
For SMUN he can get +3 from Blizzard, +2 from TM, +2 from protect, +3 from Chase so he can max it easily.

W/o hail he actually still has higher sync multipliers than NC Nate (2.4).
So he actually only loses on another circle stack.

[thin wren]

won't he have 10smun stacked

*10

total nate has like 100% haymaker+circle up sync 9(90%)+ speedster sync 5(50%) + seun from redlax (50%) + Bianca passive ( 20%)+ The two circles so 30% and 15% iirc plus dragon zone

so 405%?

[pallid girder]

It's EITHER Red + status spam or Bianca + status spam. You don't use both together in DC.

[thin wren]

oh right I forgor

[thin wren]

then 355%

[thin wren]

red has his inate passive(100%)+brainpower (100%) + rebuffed foe sync up 9(90%) and 30% from chase so 320%?

Nate also has a higher attack stat

[pallid girder]

And 2 rebuffs provide by himself

[thin wren]

oh right

[thin wren]

so 370%

how much is the attack difference between them?

I think red hits 4 mil

[pallid girder]

Also I'm not saying he can outdamage Nate. I'm just saying he can prob reach 4m.

[thin wren]

cuz he can afford Chase+ melony

[thin wren]

yeh but nate got 4.4 mil so being somewhat close to him is probably enough

how many syncs do ya all think is reasonable in total for ss glad Barry and wally comp?

[dusty ivy]

Hm

8?

Well those are sync buffs

So I guess 7

[thin wren]

sync buffs is enough

[dusty ivy]

I think 8 sync buff possible

[thin wren]

I will calc the 2 b moves

one at 3 sync buffs and the other at 8

[dusty ivy]

Could be wrong since the b move is very long

But ss Wally cheats an entire sync and gladion has a minor sprint

So perhaps

[thin wren]

do I include super duper effective 2?

requires 5/5

[thin wren]

eh, we have had long setups before as well

[sturdy pebble]

What am I doing wrong?

[pallid girder]

Prob just crit luck.

[thin wren]

3 sync buff fluer and 8 sync buff fluer. Opp has -6 special attack and -1 rebuff. Fz is up.

enemy has 83 def

0 smun

yeah....idt ss glad breaks 4 mil

[brazen dew]

No

[long silo]

Want to see if I can reach 2m with Rose but no Soften Up is pain

[icy scroll]

Are you not using sing spamming strategy?

Maybe it can give you more points!

[sullen zephyr]

Straightforward 900k

[lethal siren]

Single rock

Ss diantha time

[cursive linden]

Paurock

NC Silver

[lethal siren]

Yea nc silver