Damage Challenge

[thin wren]

it's mini potion all at the beginning (for 0 animation) cheren move. Barry stun spore. b move,stun spore ,move,stun spore, b move,stun spore,sync with bp Barry (I am assuming you picked up strong start instead of head start 1 on cheren). Now you spam stun spore till right before sync where you click tm(you will need 3-4 mp refreshes if you do 4-5 syncs with cheren) and sync (now you have 10 pmun)

at the final second you throw out a +6 smun move from cheren

you drop through regular bleak. Cheren can definitely go higher, even if it requires more rng

cheren setup also is faster than Chop iirc

[normal parcel]

Yes but regular bleak is just 30% so at this point I will fish for MPR

[thin wren]

oh and fz before sync and fz each time it's gonna run out

[pure stream]

Okay so I couldn’t get the TMR twice with Morty cause that’s impossible, but I did get lucky with super effective up twice though with Steven + Stoutland

[thin wren]

become grimsley

[normal parcel]

I mean without oar 3 the chance of dropping with regular bleak is the same as getting tm MPR, so I guess is much better to mpr

[thin wren]

you could pick up oar btw

you just need to either click barry's tm once or have 5/5 cheren

*tm

[unique abyss]

What's the max known score with SSR Cynthia?

[thin wren]

4 mil

[normal parcel]

With oar you could save b move for before the sync

[unique abyss]

Too bad mine's at 1/5, but she can score almost 400k without a cake

[thin wren]

you could go with this to get oar but give up 1 early pmun. You could also give up grand entry 2 if you are fine with clicking barry tm@normal parcel

[thin wren]

?

[unique abyss]

If the next ranked event has ghost stage, I'll candy her to 3/5

[thin wren]

you mean save b move for the final hit?

[normal parcel]

With 2 MPR is +7 pmuns with oar +6

[thin wren]

you could use the tms solely for syncs

his tm buffs attack,gives 2 of both muns and seun

[normal parcel]

Still feel that the optimal clears is super grimsley

[sacred badger]

the fights will have stipulations. 😮

[normal parcel]

Stuffs like 6 MPR 2 on an single mp tm

[sacred badger]

the Marnie one is the basic one, no rules.
Wally one has 3 Dragon Weak, but you have Sync Damage and Max Moves Damage -90%
Hop one is single target Fighting weak. Normal move damage is reduced

[normal parcel]

Using fly will give pmun on the charging or after landing?

[thin wren]

lemme read

[sacred badger]

I'm not quite sure how they'll do it, if you can reuse the same sync pairs

[thin wren]

is successful so after landing?

[sacred badger]

otherwise.... yikes. 😦

[thin wren]

you can't

[neat raft]

hmm, hop's stage seems like u will really want that sync rush then ☠️

[normal parcel]

Nope you can't

[thin wren]

hop is very good against hop

[normal parcel]

I guess starting with fly may be worth to save 1mpr if you didn't picked strong start

[neat raft]

like what they always say, your greatest enemy is yourself

☠️

[thin wren]

believe in gacha

[thin wren]

not worth it imo. The syncs give mun themselves

so just syncing will get you ramped up

[normal parcel]

The problem is getting 3 b moves for -6 speed

And I feel regular bleak is much slower than fly

Expecially if you are tanking with cheren and the opponent starts with a single target move

Don't even know what x item it uses

If is x speed then is even harder

Skyla inertia is much easier to setup, but interference sync 5 is quite annoying to setup

I guess she may work with flinch strats

You don't really want confusion/trap

But there isn't viable flincher that could buff Skyla stats

If SC Lillie didn't had Regen for her tm

[pallid girder]

People with SC Steven would prob just put SC Steven + BP Barry w NC Cheren and don't need to worry about the speed debuff and PMUN.

[normal parcel]

Probably using b leer is faster than b move

[pallid girder]

While people w/o SC Steven like me need to scratch our head to make it work lmao.

[normal parcel]

Problem is that I guess the point was trying to fit skyla for flying zone while fishing for cheren mpr for seun

If you put Steven you can't use both Skyla and a para spammer

In theory you can have flying zone - 6 speed seun and the para spammer, in practice you will need like 6 mpr2 on a single use move to do so

[pallid girder]

Oh right he has SEUN in TM

[normal parcel]

I guess maybe you cand do it in 4 MPR if you can fly turn 1 and maybe you don't use pmun 1st sync

[fluid anvil]

near 4.1M

[normal parcel]

No wait is 7 MPR if you don't fly and you sync 4 times with him (if you can fit 4 syncs with all those animations)

[sacred badger]

4mil wow

Cynthia enjoyers be loving this rotation xD

[hollow whale]

Hmm so SCteven is better than Annie Skyla for supporting NChereNC in upcoming flying?

Damn queen so mad she wasn’t all too useful in HS she went all out lol

[normal parcel]

I have a feeling that skyla may end up fitting 1 extra sync, but with just inertia (maybe you can fish for flinch with air cutter for interference sync 5

Maybe cheren can fit an extra sync too with Steven support

I don't think flying zone cheren can sync as much as non flying zone

[pallid girder]

Technically Anni Skyla can always "fish for flinch but don't confuse" lol

[floral lark]

I think I would like this mode a lot more if there weren't units at stake.

[valid radish]

i think steven will be better than skyla

[pallid girder]

It'll be a nighmare to do it tho

[valid radish]

steven setups cakewalk and the PMUN cheren needs

[normal parcel]

Or confuse but enemies keep hitting themselves

[floral lark]

I like the concept and challenge, but the possibility to miss out on exchangeable Sprint & Field units, even if they're assets reuses, concerns me.

[normal parcel]

You never miss out on them

[valid radish]

you're not missing any units, in any case you're getting them later

[normal parcel]

Is just that will take longer

[thin wren]

drop speed with every regular bleak

[floral lark]

We don't exactly know the future of this mode.

[normal parcel]

Like I said don't use bleak, use tm, is the same Chance to get MPR as getting the drop from bleak

[thin wren]

you lose the dodge from fly but in exchange take less animation

[thin wren]

you could go with the oar version I gave

[normal parcel]

With oar is fine

[floral lark]

Will it continue after this batch?
Will they add even more units to exchange for?
Will they reset every score or will the only way to get more tickets be doing even better than your previous score?

[normal parcel]

But I don't think you can fit tm mpr

[valid radish]

im saving the tickets to see if next month they'll add more rivals

[normal parcel]

Ah yes you could if 5/5 +10

[floral lark]

I'm trying not to overthink and not be too hard on myself. I wouldn't lose sleep if I don't get every unit at 1/5.

[hollow whale]

Why would you be concerned with this lol

Battle Villa lasted what

3 years before it’s gone

Well permanent now

[thin wren]

skyla has a much higher ceiling tho

[valid radish]

what no, cheren has a higher nuke and dps

[thin wren]

you can if you give up strong start or grand entry 2

[pallid girder]

I don't think they'll add more DC pairs before next yr.

[thin wren]

I was talking about sc steven vs Skyla

for setup

[normal parcel]

Yes Barry can give +2

[valid radish]

well skyla is there just to give flying zone

it would take a lot of time for cheren to max PMUN and Cakewalk with her

[thin wren]

flying zone is 50% vs 20% from sc Steven, 1 sync earlier pmun and less rng kekwalk and less rng seun

[thin wren]

actually no

it only needs 1 sync from cheren

you tm, click your move 3-4 times for 6 pmun(can be higher if you do what ketsuban suggested), sync for 8 and tm before second nc cheren sync for+10

so the rest of your 3-4 syncs should be max powered

[valid radish]

steven gives SEUN so thats a 70% damage boost

unless you want die fishing for 4 30% mpr

[normal parcel]

I guess without testing it with the timer running we can't tell for sure the best strat

[vernal condor]

I swear people are clowns someone must've copy pasted the menu

[neat raft]

☠️

[thin wren]

cheren can give himself seun if you gamble hard enough

[normal parcel]

That's the point, flying zone comp have more potential if you are willing to reset all day for perfect RNG

Steven comp is definitely more reliable

[sacred badger]

oh right. the super sparring is Monday 😮

[pallid girder]

I'll be more amazed if anyone do DPS route w Anni Steven and end up 1M like SS Gio or SC Adaman in Ground ST lol

[normal parcel]

Not that cheren should have problems getting 1m, I more that there's a lot of gambling related potential

[warped gulch]

Dps with Anni Steven

[sacred badger]

tbh. i think i might just do SS Cynthia 3/5 .-.

[normal parcel]

Isn't dragon ascent quite slow?

[warped gulch]

Even his nuke is bad

[thin wren]

gambling is our soul

[valid radish]

well let's see, because skyla comp is slower and may slot less syncs

[thin wren]

skyla comp at most will get 1 less sync

[normal parcel]

Yes that's also a problen

[thin wren]

where are the animation losses in skyla comp?

[normal parcel]

Maybe the bleakwind and fly zone Animation

[thin wren]

about 10 seconds from having to click cheren move more than steven comp

and a few seconds from fz animation

[fluid anvil]

what is the point of NC Blue in those Dragon comps?

[normal parcel]

I mean bleer isn't exactly the fastest move either

[sacred badger]

max out stats.

[thin wren]

in exchange for master passive boost for the moves that you need to click and+30%

[sacred badger]

(oh also, for SS Cynthia comp, Paralyze )

[pallid girder]

Which is why I said I'll be amazed lol

[thin wren]

it's first use is slower than b bleak. Second use is 2 seconds faster than b bleak from what I tested rn

so counting fz you lose about 10 seconds

[valid radish]

man i wanted ryuki for AoE dragon but i dont even have him

he's prob the best for that

[normal parcel]

Nate is the best

[sacred badger]

problem with my Nate is that he's 1/5 :x

[thin wren]

his nuke is much weaker than nc nate

[sacred badger]

Maybe i'd do Field EXR just for kicks though.

[thin wren]

zoneless nc nate

[normal parcel]

Ofc is best with investment

[thin wren]

I definitely think even in st cheren will have a high af peak, with some rng

[normal parcel]

Like every best unit so far

[thin wren]

invest in good boy

[normal parcel]

I mean at 1/5 Nate is quite useless

His b move is ok, but you really want that beefy field AOE nuke

[thin wren]

how does this grid look for normal aoe dragon with colress and redlax

[valid radish]

you're underestimating him

[thin wren]

he gets 240%

[valid radish]

but yeah with sc steven nate is stronger

but idk how many syncs nate can slot with his zone

[thin wren]

nc nate gets 240% without counting circle boost

and zone lasts for half the fight

[valid radish]

thats 290%

[normal parcel]

Field ex should keep zone for the whole fight if it syncs after support ex

[floral blade]

redlax, ncnate, colress, nuff said

[normal parcel]

As long as you sync second with field ex you are fine with zone

[thin wren]

nate:Speedster sync 5, unova circ up sync 9 and haymaker:
another 30% from circ:
easier def drops:
Zone with exr so can fit in seun so +50%:

he doesn't need sc Steven to nuke harder

Idt sc Steven will even be optimal for him

[normal parcel]

I feel that bianca will be optimal for him

[thin wren]

?inate(100%)+tech(50%)+double down 9 so 90% equals to 240%

[thin wren]

that's another one I think could work

[normal parcel]

Bianca vs redlax (with corless) difference (redlax comp has seun)

[valid radish]

well this is what im getting from nate

[normal parcel]

Redlax comp has a slightly stronger nuke but much weaker b move

[thin wren]

are you calcing in team builder?

[normal parcel]

Maybe I forgot something

Did u set 3 targets?

[valid radish]

no but i used unova circle x2

[normal parcel]

His b move isn't extend range

[thin wren]

btw Nate will also have 50% from zone for that and seun as he sets up zone right before sync

[thin wren]

lemme show you what appears when you build in team builder

I can show you the setup if you want

I am assuming you synced with support first btw

[valid radish]

yeah 2 sync buffs

but you're getting lower bp

[normal parcel]

What grid? Did u set 3 targets?

[valid radish]

syncs dont get mitigated by number of targets

[thin wren]

here's what I got with zone+circle+ seun+-6def @valid radish

[normal parcel]

I was talking about b move

[thin wren]

without speedster sync 9 btw

*5

[normal parcel]

How much defense they have 86?

[thin wren]

because most people won't be crazy enough to 5/5 nate like me

[normal parcel]

Or you kept 50?

[thin wren]

83

@valid radish can you send me your setup

[normal parcel]

Ah wait I was calculating for 3/5

[valid radish]

this is for ryuki
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=010001061201&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=0&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFBgkRFBUWGRseICEkLi8&v1=019000077600&s1=5&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016403&t1=4444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFCw0QFRgjJSksLi8&v2=009900040700&s2=5&l2=140&r2=6&p2=0&a2=15010301&t2=44444&g2=AAECAwQFGhweISQ

[normal parcel]

That's why my numbers are lower

[valid radish]

dont pay attention to nate's grid, he's just there for zone and circle

[normal parcel]

I calculate at 3/5 because for master Fair general is what people have (and the level of my Nate)

[thin wren]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=009900040700&s0=5&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=15010101&t0=44444&g0=AAECAwQGCAsNEBMWGhwfISQmKQ&v1=019000077600&s1=5&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016403&t1=4444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFBwsOFRgjJSksLi8&v2=016200048300&s2=5&l2=140&r2=5&p2=0&a2=0&t2=11111&g2=

getting this much with this

[valid radish]

yeah

[normal parcel]

However I calculated the with bianca his sync will be slightly weaker but his b move will get noticeably stronger compared to relax seun comp

But I don't know if redlax comp may be needed to land the maximum amount of syncs

[valid radish]

ryuki gets more multipliers but nate compresses more buffs so yeah, he's gonna be the best

not to mention the BMove can be used without issues because it has sync accel

i believe redlax + nate + colress will be the best

not sure if bianca can match that 50% + sync accel from redlax

[thin wren]

are my messages going

[normal parcel]

Can match and even surpass the 50% if you take account for b move too, not sure if she can match the sync acceleration (but her tm has -1 sync acceleration)

[thin wren]

ok finally phew

are my images going

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=000000014300&s0=5&l0=140&r0=5&p0=0&a0=0&t0=11111&g0=&v1=010001061201&s1=5&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016403&t1=11111&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFERQVFhkbIiQoKy0v&v2=019100060100&s2=5&l2=140&r2=5&p2=0&a2=0&t2=11111&g2=AAECAwQFExYZHCMlJygpKywu

Should I do a speedster sync included calc

[valid radish]

why not add it in the first place 🤔

[thin wren]

you need+10 energy to get it without giving up damage

and idt there are many people crazy enough like me to 5/5 nc nate

[normal parcel]

Sync damage with redlax and seun with just +2 physical circle is almost the same as bianca's +3 double circle without seun, but b move damage is noticably higher (and redlax probably won't even give the seun to b move)

[valid radish]

ah true

[thin wren]

are you not including dragon zone in your calcs?

both should be in the 30s

[valid radish]

yeah on paper bianca is better but the issue is that bianca wont let nate sync as much as redlax

besides circle setting takes time

[thin wren]

we could see on dc day if bianca comp could get in equal number of syncs

[normal parcel]

Yes with dragon zone (3/5)

[thin wren]

how's there such a big difference then?

[normal parcel]

Does they have 8 mitigation on def drops?

I accounted with -6 def with enlightenment 8

[valid radish]

iirc it's mitigation 5, that's the standard even for UBs

[normal parcel]

Is 5? I remembered seeing 8 but maybe was just lessen paralysis

[thin wren]

now mine is normal at 24k

[thin wren]

lessen are 8

[normal parcel]

However raw doesn't even change with defense, just damage dealt

I don't know why mine is getting less than 30m raw

[thin wren]

I changed mine to have enlightenment 5 and now it's 24k

[normal parcel]

What did you put in your calc?

[thin wren]

ok now it's 23k when I removed speedster sync

my calc is seun, circle and dragon zone

[valid radish]

this is a good alternative for 3/5 nuke

[normal parcel]

Redlax comp?

I gave them maximum theme skills and +100 gear however (but 3/5)

I calculated with both sync nodes but not the 30% multiplier for b move

I feel that with the pmuns from circle is more important to get extra sync BP than +0.3 to the b move multiplier

[thin wren]

no extension?

[normal parcel]

I don't think extension is needed

[thin wren]

Yes

[thin wren]

isn't it only 80 seconds without extension?

[normal parcel]

2 uses of the circle should be barely enough to get the whole fight covered if timed correctly

[valid radish]

yeah

i didnt use extension with NC silver for rock

[normal parcel]

You don't set circle turn 1

[thin wren]

yes but you should start syncing with Nate from 1 minute 30 seconds

so you miss circle boost on one sync

[normal parcel]

You set it maybe before 1st Nate sync

[thin wren]

so you give up circle boost for final b move?

[valid radish]

one circle covers 2 syncs

[normal parcel]

160 seconds are enough

[valid radish]

and maybe you would want to save 1 bmove to quadqueue the last sync

[normal parcel]

Better to use b move before to get the sync countdown

[thin wren]

fair

[normal parcel]

Then if the opponent bar is depleted you could probably queue b move regardless

However if the timer is strict I guess saving the last b move for quad queue last sync may save some time

[thin wren]

~~I am tempted to see if scale shot nate could get 1mil for the memes ~~

[normal parcel]

Or maybe just don't use b move early on

2 twave are faster than the b move

Don't know if before setting dragon zone is worth using the b move

[thin wren]

it's not imo

any dragon weak stage bulky enough to survive nc Nate rn?

I wanna test this comp a bit

[valid radish]

next week there's a dragon weak cs

[normal parcel]

I don't think rn there's a dragon weak stage that could survive

[valid radish]

you can try max hp + str+ def

or even physical dmg reduction param

[normal parcel]

If you add physical damage reduction you definitely will have all the time

I wouldn't pick str because you have to survive too

[valid radish]

yeah max hp + PDR it's enough

[normal parcel]

Ofc twave spam doesn't really work in CS since they have like 4 tm

[stoic crest]

Is sc iridia best for this?

[cursive linden]

Can NC Leaf change SC Steven here?

[cunning rock]

If you have Lenora, she'd be better tbh. I managed to get 2M with it.

[normal parcel]

Renegade Cynthia is

[cursive linden]

I DONT HAVE LENORA

[cunning rock]

Then yeah, go for NC Leaf, all she needs to do is spam Leer until -6 Def/Sp. Def

[cursive linden]

Aight cool

I'll do it

[pallid girder]

Actually one of the top players speculated the highest score is using NC Leaf.

[thin wren]

wanted one for rn. Cs is also too frail imo

[thin wren]

would have very inflated defenses.

[cunning rock]

So far, for the following DCs... These are the potential carries, right?

1v3 Flying: NC Cheren, Anni Skyla
3v3 Dragon: NC Nate, SS Serena

[thin wren]

Yes

[cunning rock]

What about 1v3 Psychic?

[thin wren]

that's after aoe dragon huh?

probably gonna be jacq

[cunning rock]

Dang, I'll probably look at Lucian as a budget option for it

[normal parcel]

Definitely jacq

Wondering what other options are viable besides jacq

Maybe anni may, but she's in renegade Cynthia like situation, zone, good multipliers (despite mega sync) but annoying to setup nuke

[pallid girder]

I'll prob use Lear. Easy set up + a lot of sync accelerate.

[cunning rock]

Idk, how well you're gonna setup Lear's Rising Tide tho. You can't use NC Rosa effectively here.

[normal parcel]

Olympia will be pretty strong too

Good thing about anni may is that she sets psychic terrain, bad thing is that smarty pants and devastation are atrocious to set-up

[cunning rock]

Olympia has a lot of opportunies because +6 evasion at the start means you can make her 'tank' in DC.

[normal parcel]

There aren't much units that can setup anni may fast enough

Maybe Irida

[cunning rock]

NC Leaf?

[normal parcel]

NC leaf single target needs 3 leer and 1 b move

Don't know if using 6 leer is faster

Bede can also debuff sp att and spdef and also land a max move

Don't know what move has the fastest animation of the 3 but psybeam has a 10% confusion Chance

[rain copper]

Psybeam is slow

Top 3 nukers are Jacq, Lear and Lucian imo

[normal parcel]

Psybeam is risky because it has 10% confusion chance

[rain copper]

Lucian also comes with Healthy Superhit

He is a great nuker for f2p, but i can also see Olympia's potential

[normal parcel]

Anni may at 5/5 has supreme entry (if you have her 5/5 ofc)

[rain copper]

The move is slow in the first place, i don't see any reason to spam it

Anni May's setup is slow and time costly

[normal parcel]

For the drops, but maybe mystical fire is faster, dazzling gleam is definitely slow

Lucian will definitely be the f2p option

Olympia should be better for who has her 3/5+

Lucian nuke suffers of similar problems of the may one however

[pallid girder]

I don't have NC Rosa anyway lol. I guess I'll use Chase for Lear - provides enough buffs to top Rising Tide and is a support/sprint packed w circle.

[normal parcel]

You still need to growl 6 times to setup Lucian nuke

Is just that Lucian has his own growl, but may has psychic terrain

[stark sphinx]

f2p 🫡

[cursive linden]

[lapis yarrow]

Is there an area where ppl have battle rally team comps? I need to get roll cake coins from it lol

[rain copper]

No need to ask the same questions in multiple channels. Check the answer out: #poma-questions message

And this is obviously not the right place to ask about another gamemode

[left vine]

#1009564564821639379

[dry whale]

Cynthia why, it was the god run. I had enough time to phantom force and shadow ball at the end but noooo.

Miss,Crit,Miss
Crit,Crit,Miss
Crit,Crit,Miss
Miss,Miss,Miss

[cursive linden]

Yeah that's depressing

[thin wren]

believe in the gacha

[thin wren]

imagine next month they release hassel on dragon dc day who outclasses nate in dragon dc

[pallid girder]

Meanwhile this month they released Klara the day AFTER Poison DC left for no reason lol

[cursive linden]

Is there any good tech units that can lower Sp. Def and Speed at the same time?

[neat raft]

i think Dena might purposely release a better dragon type unit... right after dragon DC ended

[thin wren]

Hassel isn't too unlikely next month so not impossible

[thick stump]

nc hop, sst red

[nova remnant]

Can't wait for Magnificent Glaive Rush that ignores all passives, gives enemy dragon rebuff (-1), hits all opponents and has unlimited use

[thin wren]

and no split

and a massive easy aoe nuke

[nova remnant]

Watch them introduce no attack animation option too

[pallid girder]

Oh I found VLyra -2 spdef -1 speed w Fake Tears, and Irida -1 spdef -1 speed w Icy Wind. (Just checking the UB Nita clears lol)

[thin wren]

nah, would ruin dc imo

[cursive linden]

B move

[cursive linden]

Irida it is

Irida/NC Cheren/BP Barry

[stoic crest]

What is the best pair to use for this? I have pairs like red lax. Please ping me

[rain copper]

EX Morty + Redlax + Colress

[cursive linden]

Is this the best grid for NC Cheren?

[cursive linden]

Alright, my flying team is ready

[icy scroll]

Oh so flying DC up next?
I will maybe use a F2P like either Blue or L Skyla or anyone else good for it, but I am not sure about 1/5 NC Cheren!

[thick stump]

Idk if you're really gonna want irida in that comp

Icy wind has a slow animation and it’d probably just be better to use a speed debuffer rather than a speed + sp def debuffer

[random cedar]

Wouldn't zone be straight up better?

Or just SEun

[pallid girder]

I'll try Darach for f2p: physical sync, tech nuker, can set up his own atk debuff multiplier (spend 3 turns, sure, but it's better than not self sufficient)

[thin wren]

debuffing more than you need to takes time as well

[random cedar]

Is it 3v1?

[icy scroll]

Yep

[random cedar]

So NC Cheren it is

[icy scroll]

It always alternates between a single opponent and multiple opponents

[random cedar]

What if he is 1/5

[random cedar]

Oh I get it

[golden isle]

I’ll need to find myself a support unit that raises Anni Skyla crit and special attack if I’m
Gonna be using her for the next DC.

[plain cedar]

random question: do the damage battles ever have Resilience?

wondering if sleep spam will be allowed for Dark

[crude sandal]

No they don't, otherwise people wouldn't be using NC Rosa's Sing during the fighting DC

[plain cedar]

Gotcha.

CyruSS meta for triple Dark then?

[slender venture]

Not really

[plain cedar]

Maybe even single?

Ah.

[safe prawn]

Triple = AoE nuke is needed

[plain cedar]

Was wondering if Shared Nightmare was helpful or not.

[slender venture]

Not helpful here

Detrimental even

[plain cedar]

Gotcha. Not sure what the Dark meta is then.

Marnie is just 1/5.

[slender venture]

Probably Brycenman

For 3v3

[plain cedar]

Don’t even have him

[icy pendant]

nah 3v3 will be nc marnie most likely

[cursive linden]

What's gonna be the best team for flying 3v1? ( Idon't have Redlax)

[fluid anvil]

Caked Brycenman will be the best for Dark 3v3. Tech+Strike nukers that have WZT/rebuffs cannot be beat for this mode.
The second best is either NC Marnie or posibly Akari. I think Akaris sync might outdamage Marnies due to having own dark zone (and more mutipliers), but Marnie B-move is a lot of extra damage and the dark damage field eats up time (although if you dont attack with Akari then it wont get used)

[cursive linden]

Me with my strongest dark AoE is Furbert 2/5:

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-im-in-danger-ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-gif-14149962

[icy pendant]

yeah it'll be close between those two because they both have incidental multipliers, but Marnie is also likely imo to get a rolex before then

Brycen-Man looks like he'll take a long time to set up fully but if he can be set up right he'll have a pretty good ceiling

[safe prawn]

Akari can afford ScSteven

And take advantage of AoE debuffs

[pallid girder]

The issue of sleep spam is that most sleep moves have ass long animation.

[clever wasp]

Oh I can't wait til dark spread cuz akari is gonna be super fun

[fluid anvil]

oh wait.. brycenmans ONLY sync multiplier is Obscuring Sync 5 .. that sucks. He's not actually that good.
Akari might have the best Dark AoE sync, especially with SC steven

[pallid girder]

How about pair NC Marnie + Akari together?

[stoic crest]

So in the video for the ranked damage challenge it shows them using 4/5 limited characters.

Is this indictive of what to expect?

[cursive linden]

Where's the video?

[stoic crest]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9pyeqEpKEv/?igsh=MTE2cnJxdWl3ZjFjZg==

pokemonmastersgame

Ranked Damage Event: Super Sparring will begin on July 21 at 11:00 p.m. PDT!

Score big and earn rewards across three battles in this event!

The supereffective attack damage you inflict on the opponent during battle will be your score. 💥

Aim for a high score within the time limit!

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[rain copper]

it's just a tutorial lol

[safe prawn]

And that team is trash

[warped gulch]

F Iris and Ball Guy for Poison ST

[nova remnant]

where status spam

[icy pendant]

the consistency with 4/5 nonex in that tutorial video is throwing me

[robust meteor]

who would be best partners for NC Cheren for next DC? BP Barry and Redlax or SC Steven?

[safe prawn]

Redlax/anniskyla

[robust meteor]

oh so don't sync rush... interesting

I guess zone is equivalent of SEUN, and he doesn't benefit from Def drops

[fluid anvil]

is there a real reason to ever use Redlax over SC Steven? they both give SEUNs but Steven also has -1 rebuff rank + AoE Def/Speed debuffs.
Steven seems like he is always way better for physical nukers and maybe for special nukers as well due to rebuff (x1.3 damage boost), or if you need speed drops.

[plush palm]

support ex w/ sprint cake for when you dont need def debuff

it probably depends on the team tbh

[safe prawn]

If it’s all about a physical nuke colress+redlax is better bc cancel animation + SEUN, b move from Steven eats time

[hollow whale]

Tried out NC Leaf, about the same as Yarrdenia

[thin wren]

you do sync rush. Bicio was saying that the third slot is between Skyla and redlax(I don't agree with redlax tho as cheren has infinite seun already)

is super sparring this reset?

[hollow whale]

Nah the one after that

On Monday

[random cedar]

Is NC Leaf going to be the best for fire weak ST?

Power play can take some turns to set up

Especially with leer

[cloud timber]

people are already spamming leer with her now without power play and it's working out fine

[random cedar]

Oh really

She's gonna go hard then

[normal parcel]

Anni slyla mainly needs sp attack (and speed if you don't want to MPR) Barry should be enough to max anni skyla stats of you get MPR on skyla tm

[normal parcel]

Dark AOE meta will definitely be NC Marnie

For single target, I guess SC zinnia, maybe NC serena, or variety Selene

F2p will probably be Karen for AOE and maybe masked royale for single target

[warped gulch]

SC Zinnia’s nuke just crazy strong

[normal parcel]

SC zinnia should be the strongest st dark nuke

[hollow whale]

Dark AoE uhh

I only got SN and Akari

[thin wren]

even above nc serena?(Ik she ain't practical in dc but I am asking about the damage)

[hollow whale]

Oh Karen too I guess

[thin wren]

I only got Fall Hilbert for dark lmao

[normal parcel]

Maybe NC Serena could be a bit higher but slower to setup I think

[thin wren]

yeh, she definitely isn't very practical in dc

[warped gulch]

SC Zinnia is stronger

Even if Serena can use 2nd B Move

[normal parcel]

Zinnia should be stronger, she has rising tide and I buffed sync 9

Serena has more attack and an extra rebuff, but just power play

[thin wren]

How good is zinnia at maxing rising tide

[warped gulch]

Not great

[normal parcel]

By herself not that great since she wants to steal buffs from opponents, and in DC they buff only once

[thin wren]

what about her optimal partners?

any dark zoner that could max her?

wait..... the dark zoners themselves aren't too high quality

[normal parcel]

NC calem has the slowest dark zones

[warped gulch]

Imagine attack 10 times for Dark Zone

[vernal condor]

with nc serena

[hollow whale]

CCalem is bad for DC haha

[thin wren]

cyrus..... would be ok if not for his sleep damage passive

[warped gulch]

He isn’t that good in HSE too

[hollow whale]

Hmm

[thin wren]

why is calem being roasted so hard. Sad

[warped gulch]

His place to shine is LG bc in that he has most times of his life

[hollow whale]

Akari’s has one use of bringing in dark zone with her TM? Needs to sync for another

[normal parcel]

I guess variety Selene is a decent zone setter but she needs to keep syncing (but her nuke is quite strong)

Unironically I think selene may end up being the best

[thin wren]

calem ....is a lg destroyer?

[vernal condor]

setting zone on each sync is such a waste of time

[warped gulch]

LG just way slower than HSE

[normal parcel]

In the end masked royale ftw

[thin wren]

how much does Selene do compared to zoneless zinnia

[warped gulch]

So he can dodge and raise defensive stat slowly

[normal parcel]

He can also dodge

[warped gulch]

While healing with his suriken

[thin wren]

I am probably gonna go selene for st

[vernal condor]

im telling ya selene is too slow

[thin wren]

(she's my only limited dark dd other than Cyrus and fall Hilbert)

[vernal condor]

use cyrus then

[thin wren]

He's 1/5

[vernal condor]

skill issue then

[normal parcel]

If you account for zinnia rebuff I guess they are quite close

[thin wren]

I got him on a random daily and I am bad with sleep so ai didn't invest in him

how many syncs can you fit in an unextended zone

[vernal condor]

2

courtney could fit 2

(aka you zone just before the 1st one and it ends before the 3rd)

[thin wren]

I will be fine then.... hopefully

[normal parcel]

Generally 2 uses of unextended zone are barely enough for the whole match (starting from sync 2)

Sync 1 should be support ex regardless

[thin wren]

watch hassel be super amazing for dc but be released one day after the dragon dc ends

[thin wren]

at least Selene has support exr

[normal parcel]

Serena too, zinnia has no exr

Serena should have an easier time in water weak

[thin wren]

suprised that among us sc didn't get exr in their last rerun

[vernal condor]

hey that works

[thin wren]

st? because I think dahlia easily beats her in aoe

[vernal condor]

no way, the tech strike beats the tech support in aoe, who would've guessed

[thin wren]

I wonder if dahlia beats nc serena in st

[vernal condor]

probably not

[civic island]

For water vs3 we got Kris

SP3 Haymaker Inertia are no joke

[copper otter]

Who's ready for next reset?

[dry whale]

Screw it this is where I leave it. She miss some crits but this run is already RNG hell.

An MP refresh and 2 paralysis procks and I'm 80% sure earthquake has to be one of them because I synced at 00:00:39.

[copper otter]

Oh wait, it's Monday, not tomorrow.

[warped gulch]

Next reset, HSE finally over

I’m so ready for it

[civic island]

Yeah it's damn hell
In my run I either didn't get the TM or crit failed too much
Well done!

[thin wren]

f2p water will be easy

[copper otter]

Siebold gaming

[civic island]

Darach better be good

[copper otter]

Darach relies on evasion debuffs

Have fun

[civic island]

[thin wren]

I hope nate stays optimal in ranked dragon so I can do big nuke

[latent plover]

Ranked Dragon is DPS only

Nate is probably optimal there though

[thin wren]

Nate has a big nuke dps move

I was talking about that

[latent plover]

Oh yeah for sure

[thin wren]

I wonder if sc Steven, Nate and nc rosa could get high

[latent plover]

I would use SC Steven in fighting weak stage

He synergizes well with Rei, and I don't have 3/5 CHop

[thin wren]

I have just accepted that I won't get much in fighting stage

[hollow whale]

No NCate, gonna have to settle for Zerena

[rare apex]

dark st will be a bit of a pickle for me

[cunning rock]

Sidney?

[rare apex]

reckon he can get 1m?

[cunning rock]

I think he can but needing to refresh his confusion for every sync and not to mention Confusion adding onto the time is a problem

[rare apex]

was thinking dark mode cerena instead

[cunning rock]

Oh, if you have NC Serena, then probably her, just need to switch to Brutal Swing before syncing...

Otherwise, you'd be doing a Water sync so no damage.

[rare apex]

that would be rather silly

[thin wren]

I am just gonna go selene

[cunning rock]

Variety Selene?

[rare apex]

what are folk thinking for psychic st?

[thin wren]

jacq gonna be the best

Lear will be good

I hope next month Lear gets strike cake

and a grid that gives him aoe buff block

he's the only pf without a 5/5

[cunning rock]

My Lear's only 2/5 . I'm gonna lean towards Lucian for solo Psychic

[rare apex]

no jacq and my lear is only 1/5 sadly - i'm thinking olympia myself

[thin wren]

mine is 5/5

I am very excited for his expanded grid next month

[cunning rock]

WAT!? Did you candy for him or did you just pull a lot?

[thin wren]

Dena pls make it op. Give him brainpower and buff block on every attack

[thin wren]

I pulled him to 5/5 on release. No regrets

only took a pity and 2 multis to get him to 5/5

[cunning rock]

GIB US A LEAR ALT DENA

[thin wren]

First give him a good expanded grid

and give him strike cake (ik his inate isn't the best for strike but come on Dena, you can give him buff block)

[cunning rock]

Lear getting Sprint wouldn't surprise me either tbh. His kit has a lot of sync acceleration

[rare apex]

support like ss silver then

[thin wren]

I can't wait for tmrw

[thin wren]

wouldn't be bad

[icy pendant]

ss silver for ice st would be not bad
not at all because I have one completely maxed

[rare apex]

i'm screwed for ice st

irida hail eating too much time

[cunning rock]

SS Silver definitely would have a place to shine if it weren't for NC Red existing within the same year as him

[thin wren]

my only limited ice is grusha lmao(summer Steven is bad so I don't count him)

[icy pendant]

ok yeah I forgot that red's grid has hella tech-like multipliers

[cunning rock]

Time to pull out the Glaceon eggmon?

[thin wren]

nc red is almost a tech

[cunning rock]

He IS a Tech... EXR

[icy pendant]

he's more of a strike than nc bianca is that's for sure

[thin wren]

I still can't believe cheren is a tech but Bianca and red aren't

[cunning rock]

Dena: He rebuffs and lowers Speed. That's Tech-y enough for us

[thin wren]

bianca does that and a lot more while not having such insane damage that she would be classified as a strike like nc red

but she's a strike for some reason

[rare apex]

red privilege 🥱

[cunning rock]

I'm still sad that MP Redemption doesn't cover her B-Sacred Sword. I know -3 Fighting Rebuff on a single body would be nutty but still

[thin wren]

red would have been even more busted if he was a base tech with strike exr

[thin wren]

-3 is only 6% more than -2

[cunning rock]

Not really. You'd be forced to EXR him so you can reach -2 Ice Rebuff on the sidemons via sync

[thin wren]

it's that they kept her bp on the lower end because she had a lot of multipliers

[thin wren]

not a downside

[icy pendant]

am I missing something or what's going on tomorrow

[thin wren]

in exchange he gets inate on sync

[thin wren]

Monday reset (tmrw for me) we have ranked dc

[icy pendant]

oh you're in a later timezone than me that explains it

still chilling in saturday over here

[thin wren]

what time is it for you

[icy pendant]

almost 23:00 (utc-4)

[cunning rock]

I'm so happy that Ghost 3v3 pretty much covered the ~30 tickets I missed out on because I couldn't hit 1M for Rock and Ground

[icy pendant]

I was going to fish for a 2m clear with sc irida today and just... didn't (whoops)

[thin wren]

I got 1.5 mil on ghost and stopped

[cunning rock]

I went for 2M because I had SSR Cynthia fully built anyway so I might well get those extra tickets while I still can

[icy pendant]

the number of top techs for 3v3 that I have had invested at 2/5 thus far is just appalling

[thin wren]

I am so excited for all the DC stuff next week

especially the normal aoe dragon dc

[cunning rock]

ANNI SKYLA BLOW THEM AWAY

[icy pendant]

I'll be so interested to see what little damage I can salvage without a good poison sync or nc hop

[thin wren]

cheren will make flying dc very fun

[icy pendant]

flying dc is actually the first single target dc I'm ready for

[cunning rock]

I'm mildly hoping that NC Marnie or even Akari at 1/5 would be enough to reach 1M.

For 3v3 Dark

[thin wren]

I will just aim for 550k on poison, 300k on fighting (my fighting is that bad) and 800k on dragon

I can't wait for aoe fairy. Ss glad is gonna get 2 mil with his 2 b moves alone

[rose basalt]

ash's b movve for electric stage single as well

[icy pendant]

he only has one of those though

[cunning rock]

I'm actually kinda screwed for AoE Fairy since my best Fairy DPS is either SS Wally (2/5) or Diantha (1/5)

[icy pendant]

oh no he'll only do max damage on a single attack once instead of whatever abomination gladion will be

[thin wren]

I wonder what will be electric meta

st

[rose basalt]

rats and birb prob

[thin wren]

aoe it will probably be ss hau

ehhh

[icy pendant]

ss hau sync spam with ash just existing on the side maybe?

[thin wren]

aoe probably

ss hau sync requires 3 b moves unfortunately

[cunning rock]

SST Red is off the table because his AoE is from his B-move

[thin wren]

idk if Ash will be worth it in aoe

[icy pendant]

he has two 80% multipliers on grid and 4 sync tiles

[thin wren]

could redlax or nc blue help hau more than ash in aoe?

[cunning rock]

Ash might still work on the standard Colress/Redlax and then pop his B move at the last few seconds

[thin wren]

sstr will be optimal for st imo

[icy pendant]

setting him up with sc steven?

[thin wren]

probably

[icy pendant]

red's main issue is activating cakewalk without clicking b move

[thin wren]

imagine if ash ends up not being optimal for any electric dc

[thin wren]

yeah sc Steven definitely helps a ton

[cunning rock]

But you know that people are gonna throw the rats (and the bird) at it and somehow manage to brute force 1M out of it

[icy pendant]

there's no way ash's b move alone doesn't hit the damage cap

[thin wren]

1 mil is definitely doable for that team

it's more about getting as high as possible

with rat and bird comp setup ash definitely has a 1 mil b move at the end

[icy pendant]

either my math is wrong or I'm seeing ash with 4 sync buffs and the redlax effect syncs for 400k st and then immediately b moves for the other 600k, I feel like that's on the low end (that b move has 0 smun)

[thin wren]

Ash can also definitely get 1 mil easily it's more about who can get the highest

[dire spade]

So SSR dominated that, but also didn't NC Leaf be a great Sp. Def debuffer. Excellent! Cause I have her

[civic island]

She is

[stoic crest]

Is Morty supposed to use shadow ball or the other move?

Please ping me

I managed about 348k with him, colress, and red lax.

Which I guess is good enough....that's about all I ever get.

[thick stump]

if morty's gridded you should be able to manage a lot more

https://youtu.be/yC04teXGSQs?si=1xjkA62nyBpWCFHK

• if you have victor you could do this

[thin wren]

neither until the last few seconds

[stoic crest]

Oh

Yes I have Victor

[thick stump]

give that a try then

do you know the status move strat? to rush syncs

[stoic crest]

No clue

I have zero clue what is even going on in that video

It moves too fast I can't process what its doing

[rain copper]

please check the pins and the read more like for sync rush strat

that's how the comp can reach over 1m

[stoic crest]

Oh yeah I spam thunder wave on colress

[rain copper]

watch the video again carefully, because it seems something went wrong

[stoic crest]

So if.morty isn't supposed to attack....then how does he sync? Since I'm just sitting doing nothing.

Once mp is gone

[rain copper]

just spam TW until he is able to sync

you don't use his Phantom Force nor Shadow Ball until near the end

[stoic crest]

Oh

[rain copper]

the strat is fully explained in the messages i redirected you above and on the video's desc

[stoic crest]

I just thought that I was supposed to go like a normal battle. No wonder why

[cloud timber]

can always watch at slower speeds

[stoic crest]

I can?

[lusty galleon]

in youtube, at the configuration settings

[warped gulch]

[thick stump]

me who watches everything on 2x speed

[cloud timber]

me

[thin wren]

me

[lusty galleon]

what's watching?

[stoic crest]

Oh I'm on mobile though

What is the best option for flying?

[cloud timber]

even if you're on the app just click the gear button

or on mobile browser it's the same too

[pallid girder]

Lear w EX sprint makes more sense for his kit, but consider SS Silver's situation he might get EX support too.

EX striker kinda only works in DC. In every other modes the opponents buff once before he can steal his sync is messed up, and it's quite useless in most LG.

[thin wren]

I am hoping he gets easy aoe buff block on grid

[hidden fog]

EX Striker good for Rally

[pallid girder]

You still need to steal buffs before blocking; otherwise the buffs they already gain will stay.
Snatch one by one = losing out dps; bring haze user = need a dedicated teammate and less team flexibility, so even with aoe buff block I don't like the idea.

[loud cedar]

https://youtu.be/BsnK4JUzFao?si=8LybF8-Yd6CHGN7F am trying this out but i dont have hilbert

ss roxie b move too fuckin long

[cloud timber]

lenora, c leaf, or dahlia would all be even better options really

if you happen to own one of those

[loud cedar]

i can try lenora

should i ex her for support ex orrr

[cloud timber]

you can just run her with bp barry and use his support ex

[loud cedar]

oh true

ill try that

thanks

[cloud timber]

if you have redlax you can follow the top team in the clear sheet in the pins, just replace c leaf with lenora who spends less time debuffing irrelevant stats anyway (and master passive doesn't affect syncs)

[loud cedar]

need better luck with crit i suppose

[loud cedar]

ill check it out thank you

for redlax i dont need any copies right? just good rng with his tm?

[cloud timber]

yep

[normal parcel]

Ofc st, Serena doesn't even have AOE sync, even Kris should do more damage than her AOE

[normal parcel]

He can apply them.by himself and even fast enough

[rain copper]

it's not quite reliable and takes turns to ramp

even with Demobilize 1 gridded

btw Lodge Serena has higher peak than Darach

but the problem is the setup

accessible Flying nukers are slow at that

[normal parcel]

With weight down it has a 50% chance of debuffing evasion while using defog or feather dance

[rain copper]

50% chance

[cloud timber]

lisia has it much better, defog mpr3 and clear view 1 for guaranteed -2 eva per use

just doesn't benefit off it lol

[normal parcel]

His innate is pecking order,and has pecking order in grid, so even without -6 Eva it should still sync pretty hard

Serena has cakewalk and dominating sync 2 with inertia as innate

[cloud timber]

i think bp falkner could outperform lodge serena but idk about the darach comparison

ran some tests/calcs

[rain copper]

Falkner has highest peak among the accessible options

the problem is setup

[normal parcel]

Doesn't he have only 80% sync multipliers?

Darach has potentially 200 and Serena 120

[loud cedar]

so close to 2mil

[normal parcel]

Plus Falkner sync is special

[cloud timber]

the chart uses weird grids

[rain copper]

yeah just checked

[cloud timber]

not very dc-optimized

[normal parcel]

Darach or lodge Serena are the best f2p options

Darach needs crit buffs however

[pallid girder]

LSerena for ppl who have SC Steven and Darach for ppl who don't have SC Steven ig

LSerena needs full speed buff and speed debuff, which she can't set up by herself efficiently.

[normal parcel]

SC Steven will work even for darach, the problem is that darach wants red for crit buffs

Serena has evasion buffs, so that may help with dodges

[pallid girder]

I mean SC Steven perfectly setup LSerena. Ppl who have him will use her bc she has higher potential.

But ppl who don't have him prob need to stick to Darach.

[normal parcel]

However if you plan to use the pmun stacks darach can land one final brave bird, however in SC Steven comp it lacks crit buffs

[pallid girder]

No the true potential of LSerena is evasion gaming.

[normal parcel]

That's also a thing

[pallid girder]

But without SC Steven her sync setup is impossible.

[rain copper]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/13000/66100?s=5&l=140&r=4&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggLDhMUFxkdIC4v this requires +2e

[normal parcel]

Darach on paper has more multipliers, but easy target is pretty hard to max out

Serena is fully setup by steven

[loud cedar]

ugh ill stick with 1.9mil as my score

cant be too assed to rng redlax tm

[normal parcel]

However if you can pick fast track 9 on grid I think using flame charge is probably faster than Steven tm

[loud cedar]

whats the weakness of next dc

[normal parcel]

Flying st

[cloud timber]

darach's setup does look like a nightmare to handle

[loud cedar]

bruh

flying..

[normal parcel]

Without Steven Serena should be even harder to setup

[loud cedar]

welp time to start building darach

or serena

[pallid girder]

Darach can do with only -6 atk, but his dmg won't be impressive that way.

[cloud timber]

i have ex bp falkner and darach, hopefully i won't need to invest into lodge serena to do things

don't have much powerups left

[normal parcel]

BP Falkner doesn't seems that great compared to serena

[cloud timber]

the output is way closer than it looks from what i can tell

and the setup should be much faster

[normal parcel]

But his sync is special

And I guess you still need Steven to setup the innate cakewalk

But Steven at least helps Serena damage with def drops

[cloud timber]

i have neither sc steven nor 3/5 colress so i won't have defense debuffs anyway

[normal parcel]

I still think darach should have an easier time if you can buff his crit

6 attacks to debuff speed seems pretty long

[cloud timber]

something serena also has to do with cakewalk albeit with a faster move

falkner technically only has to minimize one stat to maximize his power but you're using mud slap 6 times anyway

[rain copper]

Peck is quite fast, but she wants to use Flame Charge for speed buffing if no speed support

her innate is Inertia

[devout pelican]

So what's the f2p choice for ST Flying?

Darach?

[cloud timber]

yea it's serena's need for speed and darach's need for eva debuffs that make me think falkner would be faster

but idk what that ends up amounting to

and i consider feather dance to be a pretty slow move

[rain copper]

Falkner's innate is cakewalk so he has to use Mud Slap 6 times

[devout pelican]

Mud slap

There's also the ranked DC on the same reset, if I am not wrong. So 4 stages to tackle

Well, we have done Poison before

[unique abyss]

Ranked is day before iirc

[cloud timber]

darach is going to demand max knuckle if you're using redlax/bp barry like i am and put up with +5 atk

[devout pelican]

Oh? That means next reset

[cloud timber]

yea

[devout pelican]

Normal Dragon move. Guess it's SSerena time

Gonna draw those Z

[pallid girder]

You might need to change the poison or fighting team you've use though, bc you can't use the same unit in all 3.
For example ppl who use SC Steven in both 2 need to figure who should use other than him.

[devout pelican]

You cannot abuse sync acceleration with one stage anyway since it will have damage reduction from sync

Unless you start blasting when you get 3-4 sync level

[pallid girder]

The true issue for me is I used Red in literally every DCs and I don't have SC Steven lol.
I need to figure who I can use in other 2 stages for the place of Red.

[unique abyss]

There's Dana as a budget alternative

Geeta in theory should be pretty much self sufficient (she has SEUN from her TM right?)

[devout pelican]

The chatelaines will be infinitely better once they get their EX

[unique abyss]

The problem is, that for someone who doesn't buy BP bundles it'll take forever to unlock their full grids EX'd be nice tho

[cloud timber]

my poison team is gonna be scuffed

won't have a paraskipper

[devout pelican]

Can't believe that 3k bundle just got even better these days

[unique abyss]

That's all I spend money on lol (and only bought 6 or 7 so far), can't even call myself a dolphin, I learned something from whaling in FEH

[devout pelican]

The bundle has the best value if you can pay.

[unique abyss]

Damn, it's so tempting to candy SSR Cynthia just for this mode, but ig I'll wait for the anni datamine

[forest forge]

Darach > lodge Serena

[warped gulch]

Darach -> BP Falkner -> L Serene

Darach has the strongest Sync for f2p flying

[forest forge]

Serena might be able to cheese with flinch though

So it will depend on that

[devout pelican]

But that also means you need to spam normal moves

[forest forge]

Anyway just use tornadus

[normal parcel]

Darach could max his attack with mpr

Is more that you need redlax for crit buff

[rapid sparrow]

What's our next HSE?

[normal parcel]

Probably in 2 months

[slender venture]

They will reveal it next month

[rapid sparrow]

Sorry I mean DC

[normal parcel]

Flying st

[rapid sparrow]

My brain and HSE lol

[normal parcel]

Then dragon AOE

[cloud timber]

mpr is super super costly to grid is the thing

[rapid sparrow]

Oooh

Think Gloria would do good?

Alt

Cinderace

[cloud timber]

this is the grid i was looking at

[normal parcel]

You can fit it but I guess you will need +6e if you want to get weight down 5

[cloud timber]

can take out demobilize, bottom sync tile, and throw in +2e for it

[forest forge]

If you don’t take wide open darach is worse than lodge Serena

[normal parcel]

However just pecking order is faster to setup than inertia + cakewalk

[forest forge]

Darach has like 80 less base attack than lodge Serena and lodge Serena is easy to set up

[cloud timber]

you're using enough brave birds to justify wide open?

[rapid sparrow]

I am just thinking of a rabbit with -2 Rebuff

[forest forge]

No you use defog and reset until you get max luck

[cloud timber]

wide open doesn't affect sync

[forest forge]

Oh it is easy target on the bottom ur right

Darach and falkner are probably doomed because they need too much set up

[cloud timber]

yea easy target and pecking order are the multipliers, weigh down can pick up eva debuffs while feather dancing

[pallid girder]

Darach can do only pecking order route.

Just like the best way to use SCIrida is to ignore her trap sync cookie.

[forest forge]

I mean darach’s stats are so bad I find it very unlikely he out scores lodge Serena

[fluid anvil]

I think Dahlia beats NC Serena even in 3v1 Water, but we'll see

[normal parcel]

As long as you have SC Steven

Getting -6 with flame charge/peck takes too long

[sullen zephyr]

Imagine telling mainline players that fletching hits harder than staraptor

[normal parcel]

Her sync multiplier is interference sync 9 however, and interference sync is bad in dc

Is more that dahlia sets both rain and rebuff that could give an edge over serena

[fluid anvil]

Wait, why is interference sync bad in DC? You just set confusion once with Teeter Dance, it should last the entire fight, no ?
And there is even a chance that confusion might proc and cancel an enemy attack. Isnt that good?

[cursive linden]

Confusion takes time

The more confusion, the more time is taken

[normal parcel]

Confusion adds animations and in st theres no way it lasts the whole fight

Teeter dance is also extremely slow

Maybe vs3 confusion may last the whole battle

[cursive linden]

The only best way to interfere is flinch, then again, there's no guarantee of flincjing moves besides B Move and those have long animations

[normal parcel]

Flinch is the only good interference but unreliable

Even AOE I think confusion isn't guaranteed to last on all the target the whole fight

I think confusion can last between 2 and 4 actions I think, maybe 5

[fluid anvil]

I was thinking first sync to EXed BP barry and then use Teeter Dance only right before second (Dahlias) sync and hope thats enough for the rest of the fight.
Either way will use this regardless since I have 4/5 caked Dahlia and no Cerena ^^

[normal parcel]

Single target will not last unless you can sleep/freeze/flinch lock

[pallid girder]

SS Lyra guaranteed flinch by Grassy Glide, not a Bmove, but she also applies confusion and trap afterward lol.

[normal parcel]

AOE if you are lucky it may be last, because they attack at turns

[normal parcel]

And the random debuff also takes some time I guess

[fluid anvil]

Alright , then maybe 3v1 will require a second Teeter Dance =/
3v3 should be fine with 1 hopefully

[normal parcel]

Probably even 2

Maybe 3 if you are unlucky

Confusion lasts nothing

It can last as short as 2 actions

I remember it from the ghost weak gauntlet stage (uxie?) second bar ends up getting clearheaded pretty fast because confusion can last just 2 actions

And the animation from confusion also stalls for time

[fluid anvil]

does trap last longer than confusion ? How many turns?

[warped gulch]

Trap normally last 5-6 turns

Confusion just pure random

[normal parcel]

If I would want to use dahlia in st I will definitely try to use a flinch spammer like acerola maybe SC Lillie (just don't tm or tank with her) and hope flinch procs before sync

(not that I have Dahlia)

[fluid anvil]

I dont think there is a free slot for that. You need Barry/Colress and a SEUN user.
However SC Steven DOES have a 50% flinch chance...

[normal parcel]

I guess the flinch spamer should replace the para spammer, astonish animation is pretty fast I think

Steven flinch is tied to no evasion, so it won't last much

[rain copper]

Tackle is still fast

[normal parcel]

But the no evasion part is the problem

It doesn't lasts much

[rain copper]

Ik, it doesn't change the fact that Tackle is one of the fastest attack

[normal parcel]

Yes but you can't flinch lock if you have a 0% chance to flinch

What's faster tackle or astonish?

[devout pelican]

Well, damn. This is high for f2p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC04teXGSQs

[cloud timber]

guessing tackle animation is faster but flinch is important

[devout pelican]

Astonish is definitely on the slower side

[fluid anvil]

the 'no evasion' also wears off quick..? I thought it was a very long/permanent status change lol

[rapid sparrow]

Yoooo
Good shiiiit

[fluid anvil]

btw question about Steven
-Rebuff Reducing Hit (Weakness)
Lowers the target’s Type Rebuff of its weakness type by 1 rank the first time the user’s attack move is successful each battle.

if you skip using stevens tackle, then wait for another pair to use rebuff and then use B-leer as Stevens first attack in a fight - would that make him do an AoE rebuff ? (since b-leer is AoE)

or not because b-leer isnt an "attack" move?

[rapid sparrow]

The zone felt like it stays forever what the heck

[devout pelican]

It should be 2 whole sync cycle but Stun Spore spam goes a long way

[cloud timber]

field ex zone started 1:41 and lasted the whole rest of the fight

non-extended zone like courtney's will last 2 syncs with para spam

[devout pelican]

Too bad it won't work with Leer spam since it will take longer time each

[slender venture]

No because leer is not an attack move

[unique abyss]

lol, I'll try to replace Morty with Irida, maybe it'll work

[rapid sparrow]

Unless your Irida is 3/5

I believe Morty hits harder

[acoustic chasm]

They got 6 SYNCS?

[devout pelican]

I think it's 5 sync

Barry, Victor, then 3 Morty

[acoustic chasm]

It was 4 Morty

[devout pelican]

Oh, he did

Well, this stage is rather slow

[safe prawn]

She’s gonna be the play imo

[cunning rock]

What doc is this?

[copper otter]

Datamine analysis/tierlist in #1006331343300473022 @cunning rock

[cunning rock]

Thank you!

[thin wren]

cheren hit a good bit harder even at 7 pmun only in my calcs

[unique abyss]

If I only could sync 4 times with Irida

[thin wren]

the extra 1-2 moves is worth the damage

cheren also has infinite seun

so he gets another 50%

[safe prawn]

But Gloria is gonna be faster bc of The sync acc

3 bounce and a nuke

[thin wren]

pretty sure stun spore is faster than bounce

yes you have the dodge but cheren's damage difference isn't small

lemme get the calcs again rq

[ivory kestrel]

did you grid for Soften up, Ramp Up 2 and Slippery 2? so you could skip turns on buffing (only need one TM and one Dire Hit+)

[safe prawn]

But Gloria can afford ScSteven for debuffs and an additional rebuff

[thin wren]

? the additional rebuff doesn't matter for gloria since 3 is only 6% more than 2 rebuff

are you planning on going zoneless or without sync spammer?

[safe prawn]

Without sync spammer bc of bounce and Eva shenanigans

I’ll try both

Gloria and cheren

[unique abyss]

How about terrify and pecking order then? Garbage multiplier?

[thin wren]

does gloria have bounce mpr?

because 3 bounces only last you like one sync

[unique abyss]

I'm too lazy to learn about multipliers and pomatools

[copper otter]

She refills bounces after syncing in flying form

[thin wren]

how much time does bounce take?

[copper otter]

It's a two turn move

So..... yes

[thin wren]

I think stun spore gets 1 more move in bounce duration

[copper otter]

wait, can spore act as a stunfail for DC?

From Greta

[thin wren]

I don't remember

[ivory kestrel]

i forgot you're using Victor instead of SC Steven, nevermind then

[safe prawn]

She has sync cd-2 every bounce and sync quickening 3

So it’s a 3 bounce and a sync without other moves

Plus she avoids opp attacks while bouncing so no animation

[warped gulch]

I reach 2nd Sync at this time

With Red/Anni Skyla/Gloria

Without red caked

Very fast

[thin wren]

grid?

[thin wren]

what about using barry?

[safe prawn]

She also lowers defense on her own if 5/5

More realistic version with 3/5

[warped gulch]

I’ll use Red Max Knuckles to buff her Atk

I’m too poor at Energy

[thin wren]

used that grid for these glorialt calcs

@safe prawn so you are going in without support sync right?

[safe prawn]

You can still, with Askyla+redlax

If Gloria 5/5 she lowers defense on her own

[thin wren]

gonna assume redlax route then

flying zone,-2 rebuff and 2 sync buffs and seun@safe prawn

[warped gulch]

She almost reached 7 Syncs for 3vs3

[thin wren]

seun, flying zone, -1 rebuff and only 7 pmun(should become 10 from cheren second sync onwards)

[warped gulch]

I assume with Red caked she should be able to reach 7th Sync

[thin wren]

so 1 more than the usual amount in st right?

[warped gulch]

Idk, if that stage use alot of st move then she’ll get Sync more quickly

Here i still ate EQ and Surf

[thin wren]

it has 2 aoe moves iirc

[warped gulch]

And she cant dodge 2 ST move in a row

[thin wren]

something and dazzling gleam I think

[thin wren]

could glorialt make up for the damage gap with 1 sync difference?

[safe prawn]

We have to see if it’s just 1 sync difference or it may be 2 bc she is gonna avoid attacks from opponents so their timing animation has to be taken into consideration

She’s gonna paralyze the enemy anyway with bounce

[thin wren]

hopefully they don't spam d gleam

here's 10 pmun cheren

[rapid sparrow]

But my question Bicio

Will Gloria spam Bounce

[thin wren]

glorialt will definitely at least be second best option

[thin wren]

yeh

[rapid sparrow]

3 Bounces for a sync

[thin wren]

assuming 3/5

[rapid sparrow]

Hella good

[safe prawn]

Yes

[rapid sparrow]

But does that mean no Barry/Colress?

Get zone and SEUM?

[thin wren]

can anyone calc 5 cheren syncs vs 6 glorialt syncs and 7 glorialt syncs

[thin wren]

yeh

[rapid sparrow]

Interesting

[warped gulch]

Gloria can also indeed miss her Bounce

[rapid sparrow]

That's fine

But no she can't

[warped gulch]

Which very good for her

[rapid sparrow]

Or she can

[warped gulch]

She can

[rapid sparrow]

Piercing blow when Bounce?

[warped gulch]

This isn’t fighting form

[rapid sparrow]

Ye

Was it
Piercing blow bounce
Piercing gaze fighting

Or something like that

[thin wren]

should I make glorialt have -6 def on enemies for her calc?

[thin wren]

yeh

[warped gulch]

Yup

[cunning rock]

You're likely running Colress with her so probably yes?

[rapid sparrow]

I think not

Because ideally Flyzone + Seum + Cinderace

Unless you 5/5

And probably will use sync expansion

Let me go look

[thin wren]

no

otherwise you lose seun