Legendary Gauntlet 17 (Registeel, Azelf, Cobalion)

[heavy sinew]

I don't even wanna bother with EXr

Already did it without and it was horrible

[modest oar]

EX R for Morty I mean

[heavy sinew]

Oh

Yea right

[modest oar]

EX R is super good on him

Even in Rally

[heavy sinew]

Glad I made the right decision to cake him immediately

Does not disappoint

[modest oar]

Same. I had 19 but bought the final one immediately

Why is field EX R this good. Makes it hard to choose lmao

[pearl beacon]

People gettin 3/5 in two days pulls

[hallow gull]

People already 5/5 him

[pearl beacon]

Oof

Sadly I'm totally done with mix, 3k bundle can't sustain 3 units/year
If not 4 (Dena plotting)
And by the last 10k to pity all I got was Anabel

So I'll stick to selects but got, hope the next one sucks too so I won't feel bad

[tight rivet]

wait why do you need mpr3 lol

[kind imp]

Potion mpr

[tight rivet]

ewww

i forgot she had pots but thats horrible

[pearl beacon]

Leer spam 📉

[stuck mantle]

So wat plumeria solos did?

[tight rivet]

0 because no one pulled for her /j

like what the actual fuck is this dogass kit

literally the worst b move ever conceived and no crits without grid

[pearl beacon]

2, at least

[heavy sinew]

bulu and cobalion

Somehow

[tight rivet]

variety plumeria is so bad though like who thought this is ok

[pearl beacon]

Accuracy n evasion, her nuke is ok-ish I guess but need 3/5+cake

Sprint+tech is meh, If opposite would have been better

[stuck mantle]

Vid link?

Since dont see it in

[pearl beacon]

Plus stages doesn't have crit shield/special shield
Maybe Latios is abt time, bu she sucks against 3

[heavy sinew]

no clue where

[pearl beacon]

https://fxtwitter.com/time51131049892/status/1789283133571166569

[heavy sinew]

Nvm

[pearl beacon]

https://fxtwitter.com/time51131049892/status/1789237082243940848

[kind imp]

you can add "fx" before "twitter", so the video embeds

or vx

[pearl beacon]

Thanks I was writing right abt not knowing gow to remove prev. On mobile

[tender horizon]

Wow

eye opening to see Plumidia solo Coballion

[tight rivet]

can we just agree though that v plum is like the worst kit ever conceived so far this year

cuz its

so bad

sprint that cant even sprint

[tender horizon]

Its bad in many settings indeed

[pearl beacon]

Oh wait
I wanted to remove it

[tight rivet]

why is her ramping locked to b move

[tender horizon]

its like an excuse to give Alolan a Sprint so that Alola bonus doesnt suck in Rally

[kind imp]

put the link in beetween "< >"

[tight rivet]

at least she self buffs speed

[tight rivet]

real

i just realized we got selene whos field

so that unironically might be the rationale

[pearl beacon]

No the embed is better
The picture alone was pointless lol
Thanks for the tips

[tight rivet]

except plum is so terrible even br simps wouldnt pull

[tender horizon]

Selene is like the only field at this point too kek

for ALola

ye they cudnt even make PLumeria better than the first sprint unit released

[tight rivet]

worse than archer

who people tend to shit on a lot

(for good reason)

[pearl beacon]

Archer is the Villain savior

[tender horizon]

is he worse than Archer tho loll

[heavy sinew]

plum simps would probably pull

[tender horizon]

she*

[heavy sinew]

But

Why

[pearl beacon]

Prophet of the BR shitty themes

[tight rivet]

id argue yes

archer has 60% flinch

plum has

nothing

and ramp is at least instant

and not locked behind 2 mp b move

also -1 acc is

so why

[hallow gull]

She is the first gacha Sprint pair released this yeah funny enough

[heavy sinew]

Could've been 3

[tight rivet]

i mean if ur gonna make a status move b move

bare minimum is either mass debuff + status like Viola or -2 to 3/4 stats like N

-1 acc is genuinely terrible

[kind imp]

archer has 9 solos so... at least in lg it's worse

[pearl beacon]

By the time you give -1 and proc all the shit from that bmove, you're dead

[tight rivet]

what 60% flinch does to a mf

[tight rivet]

exactly

does she even have healing

[heavy sinew]

apparently

[tight rivet]

what tile

[pearl beacon]

Yeah like start regen and poison regen i think

[tender horizon]

Oh god

[pearl beacon]

But the crit on TM is very restrictive on her build

[heavy sinew]

Curative confusion

[pearl beacon]

For solos or LG at least

[hallow gull]

Yup, she have Debut Regen and confusion one

[kind imp]

his latias solo is funny if you want to watch it

[hallow gull]

And she only can confusion with her B Move

[tight rivet]

9?

[pearl beacon]

Oof never realized we're so low w sprint units

[pearl beacon]

1

It's standard on hit healing

[heavy sinew]

Yea NC rosa also has cc1

[pearl beacon]

Kinda extra messy bcs of critical healing is based on chances

[heavy sinew]

Crit healing 1 moment

[tight rivet]

wait is it 20% to proc or

oh wait

i swear to god consistency is a myth

[blazing linden]

Curative Confusion 1

Restores the user's HP when its attack move is successful against a confused opponent.

Sync Pairs with Passive:

Proton & Golbat
Rosa (Champion) & Meloetta
Bede (Champion) & Articuno
Noland & Ninjask

[tight rivet]

WHY

WHY ARE YOU LIKE YHIS

[pearl beacon]

Random vNolan

[heavy sinew]

mfw poryphone doesn't acknowledge plum because of how bad she is

[tight rivet]

real

[hallow gull]

At least Noland good with it

Plum only has 2

[loud shell]

Noland is really fun and self sufficient

[pearl beacon]

Yeah, I'm grabbing him next variety select

[loud shell]

Him and Thorton have become my favorite varieties from those I own

[heavy sinew]

Thorton is so funny

Did not regret going for him

[tender horizon]

2022 players: Wtf I cant believe they are releasing vArIeTy sync pairs
2024 players: Im gonna spend money on them

[chrome halo]

Basically me

[pearl beacon]

The only way paid should be spent

Btw I got only one 5k + 3k variety last half anni
I'm stacking orb bundle forever, by next anni I can cover three 3k if I'm not getting tempted by mix

[tender horizon]

you speak as if three 3K is better than Mix :p

[pearl beacon]

10k brought me just anabel

On last mix pulls so kinda better

Bellelba vNolan n Anni Raihan are my target so far

[heavy sinew]

anni raihan gaming

[tender horizon]

ah right Bellelba is also a Variety

i got 10 units + select off Mix

how many paid gems does it take to pity Mix?

[pearl beacon]

Seasonal

[tender horizon]

Yes SC my mistake

[pearl beacon]

30k

It's a lot, the risk of getting nothing is too high

I was following my plan
#1010275375730925638 message

But then they dropped the 4 month till next mix refresh

So probably they'll follow a 4 months cycle from now on

[tender horizon]

I see

can you explain your method of comparing the value of the two scouts

I dont following Resource saving thread anymore for the simple reason that it is overconservative

[pearl beacon]

In short 30k and you may get nothing
With those 30K you can select 10 units over Seasonal,Variety, special? (Idk what half anni are)
Or 6 PF via x25
And still have a chance to get extras in those pulls

But this is strictly by a 3k bundle perspective

[karmic willow]

gimme sum too

i can't keep up with this game

[tender horizon]

well bundles dont cost 3K anymore right

[loud shell]

I think its seven thousand total

3 up front and 4 over 20 days

[jade ore]

the small bundle is 3k, the large bundle is 7k

[pearl beacon]

3k bundle still gives 3k
Best deal we have

[tender horizon]

wait

i mean banners

[shy sinew]

bundle gem totals are the same, selects might be going up to 5k though

[loud shell]

oh yeah thats right

[tender horizon]

i thought we were talking about Paid scouts that cost 3K gems ?

[shy sinew]

we have a lot of precedent that 3k selects are a thing of the past

[loud shell]

The selects have been different this year though

we haven't had the standard 3k choices of like 3 characters

its usally more expansive and 25 pulls

[tender horizon]

well i dont have the calculation for paid selects because i often dont like what they feature. My calculation (based on my personal roster) is that i expect an average of 29 single pulls before getting something I actually want off a Mix scout. Therefore the cost of one random BUT wanted unit from a Mix scout is 2900 paid gems

and paid banners are possibly still appealing for 3000 paid gems to me

but you see why Mix banners still appeal to me

[pearl beacon]

Oh then yeah we still have
Seasonal selects always happened only on full Anniversary as other 3k special selects like the half anni
Plus Variety are introduced
So if everything is running as usual we may have 3 types of 3K selects
-seasonals
-variety
-extra/special selects

[loud shell]

we've had 3k pokefairs in the past but not lately too

[tender horizon]

its fair to expect sommmeeee 3K pokefairs i would say

[pearl beacon]

Pokefair are 5k only since last year

[tender horizon]

but yea according to my math, 5K just so i can guarantee something is not worth

[loud shell]

The 3k pokefairs usually offer 1-5 pairs to choose

[tender horizon]

and for different people, the math is different because im assigning value to all the pairs i dont have

[loud shell]

the 5ks weve had have been all inclusive or 5-10

Was the last 3k pokefair May, Skyla, Raihan last anni?

[jade ore]

yeah

[tender horizon]

wudve been such a good seller if they did 3K pokefairs with new units

but Dena also has their valuation different haha

even with just 2 units like Grusha and Iono ppl wud still pay

[loud shell]

That was the first rerun in any fashion of skyla when it dropped

We also got that basically in march

Grusha Iono and Chase all showed up in the support select

[tender horizon]

thts 5k right

Oh wait no

[loud shell]

It makes me think they're getting less stingy about putting recent releases in select scouts

yes it was 5k

[tender horizon]

i remember i paid for the Strike and Tech select though

Shit i wasted money

[loud shell]

but had every pokefair

[tender horizon]

well i didnt do the math on my mix scount back then. its fine

[pearl beacon]

Yeah is very different
If you lack a lot of pairs mix is more appealing
I've been doing selects for a lot so there are very few units that exactly "I want"
But also I skipped most of this half anni 5k because they're expensive
For me the 5k are either big fav or skip, still better than expecting a mix by numbers

I mean
We're getting 400/400 standard pities, mix can lead to pity without getting anything you want and not even the featured

[tender horizon]

Indeed

[pearl beacon]

What is also appealing is the mix unit itself, I was pulling mostly for mRed the previous run

[loud shell]

I still prefer red over blue

[jade ore]

my mix experience in a nutshell

[tender horizon]

The way i do my valuation is if i have 0/5 of a unit, then I say that Mix can yield x1 value. And if i have like 1/5 or 2/5, then based on the kit i would say it yields x0.5 or x0.25 value. Thats also a choice and not everyone would agree with this method of valuation

[loud shell]

Feels more powerful for some reason

[pearl beacon]

But the last 10k gems lead me to just Anabel aaaand it feel bad, really damn bad for someone that is not spending much

[tender horizon]

All those debuffs

Ofc

debuffs is just jazz hands

[loud shell]

Blue gets some but the offensive debuffs are really clutch in rally

[tender horizon]

its like Sprinkles on ice cream

[jade ore]

went like, just under 110% of a pity and pulled exactly one character i had wanted prior with Mix Red's banner

[tender horizon]

well usually for ppl with quite complete rosters, then even paid scouts are not so appealing

[jade ore]

everything else was either a character i didnt have but had no interest in, or a 4/5 dupe

[tender horizon]

Like, you could just save up your free gems for when it eventually reruns. Why pay

[loud shell]

Paid scouts become appealing if there is a single unit they missed or they want to upgrade a unit to save candy

[tender horizon]

paying for a candy

thats like another thread

haha

[loud shell]

I mean that already exists

[tender horizon]

Obviously ye

i dont imagine broke players doing tht

change my mind

[loud shell]

Oh they wont

but the ones who have most-all units are whales already

I'm still waiting for Dena to drop the ultra sweat MF select scout for 10K

[tender horizon]

i mean

Ok thats not as bad an idea

[pearl beacon]

Those numbers are getting diluted
Wich is both good and bad
Good bcs genpool units are less on the way
Bad bcs if you hope for some units and it will be harder
So you may spend those 30k and get nothing you really wanted
Or be safe getting at least 6 units you really desired

[tender horizon]

but it sounds like an excuse for them to release 5/5 grids for MFs

[loud shell]

They could but I'm kinda surprised they haven't done that BS already

[tender horizon]

If by diluted you mean "as you continue to spend in a mix scout"

then i guess for some ppl sure

for me im still doing quite good

like theres 101 pairs that i can get and id be happy. Unwanted includes all the main pool sync pairs

[loud shell]

I'm at 26 that I'd want

Mix scout doesn't seem worth it once I get a copy of blue

[tender horizon]

26 really

Well i guess if u screen out things u dont want then yes

[loud shell]

Those are my 2/5 and 1/5s

I don't care about ones I skipped and my 3/5s

[pearl beacon]

Yeah but expected until the unexpected
The 10k waste just confirmed to me
Also, you're taking for granted the selects are giving you only one pair
But those also have a pool for extra

[tender horizon]

These are the only shit units that i dont even want

[loud shell]

Half of those are really useful

[tender horizon]

For what 😦

[modest oar]

Alder isn't terrible

[tender horizon]

Theres better alternatives

ahah

[loud shell]

There's better alternatives but they are good for gauntlet and EBEs

[pearl beacon]

My beloved holiday erika at the bottom of unwanted

[tender horizon]

Actually Pal Dawn seems pretty good but im not

convinced

[loud shell]

Iris alone with poison zone is worth it

[pearl beacon]

Iris sucks

[tender horizon]

I have Geeta

[modest oar]

Dawn is a -2 sp. def dropper with fake tears

It's pretty nice

[tender horizon]

Geeta really puts 1/5 Fall Iris to shame

[loud shell]

If it makes you feel better, I did the step banner to get Holiday Erika last christmas

[tender horizon]

haha

[loud shell]

Yes but Geeta can only be used once in gauntlet or rally

[tender horizon]

what good is Poison Zone except for herself

[loud shell]

Other poison units?

[heavy sinew]

Depends on the seed in rally but yea gauntlet one use moment

[tender horizon]

thats not a strong argument for its utility

[pearl beacon]

Profit
I avoid seasonal tiered stuff
Those have the lowest chances for rerunning seasonals

[tender horizon]

basically youre saying Fall Iris has as much utility as Glaceon egg

[loud shell]

I've been playing for a while so she was the only one I needed besides Leon who I hate

Egg glaceon cant debuff spdef and doesnt have hyper beam

[tender horizon]

i alrdy ranked Fall Iris above stuff like Holiday Siebold cus i think shes better than Glaceon egg

[loud shell]

NY Volkner should be higher on that list then

[tender horizon]

but ye the ranking also shows my willingness to pay for her

rankings is both utility and personal favorites

hehe

[loud shell]

My boi is ranked low

[tender horizon]

thats how everyone works (hopefully but we know there are slaves to the game)

[loud shell]

I dislike this

Still better than the reddit tierlists that seem to popup every other week

[pearl beacon]

Btw h.Erika for gauntlet is fine, she has all tm mprs at base and great stats if she happens as extra just welcome her

[loud shell]

I love erika just because her kit is basically done at 1/5

her grid doesn't add much at 2-3

[pearl beacon]

1/5 hsiebold is by far the worst
Good only for the restaurant video

#poma-photo-creator message

[loud shell]

Siebold was my first seasonal

Don't know why it took 1.5 years to get his ex

[tender horizon]

oh god HAHA

[tender horizon]

thats ture.

[loud shell]

?

[tender horizon]

can someone enlighten me on the value of H Erika's kit?

true* typo HAHA

[loud shell]

She is bad for todays standards

She suffers from being 4.5 years old

at this point you pull her for favorites, collections, or as a cheap gauntlet tank

Her saving benefit is party wide regen and a party wide potion. She can also heal status effect if lucky

I'm a kanto fanboy who wanted the only other kanto seasonal besides sabrina

correction lance exists

[pearl beacon]

Old but her stats are really high
High stats+regen+ 400 aspatk kisses and she tank for days

[loud shell]

I mean that's with skill gear too though

She does have good defenses

I truly think she walked so lodge lillie could run

Erika needed some actually party buffs beside shared fortune or some debuffs

[pearl beacon]

140 1/5 EX

[loud shell]

Yeah its still pretty good by todays standards

She just sort of sits there though

No buffs / debuffs and no gimmick hurts her from being better

[pearl beacon]

Yeah it's more getting her at base is nice
Btw she buff def at base

[rotund rain]

I’ve never realised how high those are for an old seasonal pair

[pearl beacon]

That's how I kissed raikou to death

[loud shell]

Yeah its really good, the old seasonals are kinda based

[pearl beacon]

And I'm attempting at regirock

[loud shell]

Even Siebold who doesn't have the stats got a really good nuke for his age

Skyla is also insane

[pearl beacon]

Yeah siebold got good multipluers but like 300< spatk at EX

[loud shell]

I know its sad

[rotund rain]

Siebold is one of the earliest Rising Tide havers I think

[pearl beacon]

He's useful if you happen to have him 3/5 tho

Thebvery first I believe

[rotund rain]

I do have him 2/5

[loud shell]

CS3 is nice too

[tender horizon]

i think

holiday erika also has the rare effect of X Reset All

thats the only thing i rmbed before asking yalls

[pearl beacon]

Ye her TM is weird but it's an AoE potion that reset debuffs and gives

🥁

+1 Def

Which is not much but better than nothing, you got always that TM mpr at base so you can reroll early

And bcs she's a bigger eggmon, Stamina Reserve 6 📈

[rocky oasis]

i think the only thing able to save her at this point is field ex

ill take sprint too

for some reason sprint is really good on support ex

[sturdy steeple]

Primarily only good on support tbh

All other roles would prefer other roles

[shy sinew]

support/sprint and support/field definitely top 2, after that it's x/support probably

[karmic willow]

Oh yeah

Siebold

I just realized he got rising tide goddamn

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/9610/22400?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggLDhAVFhkpLC0u

+6 baby

Does he even have like

Hostile environment?

I kinda forgot what his passive does

Can someone pull up the dex?

[shy sinew]

he1 apparently

he1, fort4, and piercing gaze

[rocky oasis]

his only problem

that spatk

why

300 spatk at max aint anything to write home about

[karmic willow]

Boy needs gear

BADLY

Like Anni Steven

[shy sinew]

needs gear and then some

[karmic willow]

Man

Looking back

Some characters benefit from gear than others

Much, much more

Like cyrus

Cs9

And uhhh

Anni steven

A G A I N

[rocky oasis]

idk if he ever got a rerun

he should

[karmic willow]

Once

[rocky oasis]

if only bc i want him to get support ex

[karmic willow]

That's when I got him

God i remember

Dumping a candy or two

[rocky oasis]

i remember him eating all my gems

after anni n came in the first 2 rolls

[karmic willow]

For that

Weather wipe

Against moltress

Fr fr

[rocky oasis]

before skill gear he was latched to tech farfetchd

for theme skill

he kinda needed it to patch up those stats

[pearl beacon]

54 from themes and 100 from gears 📈

More than 50% offensive stats

[karmic willow]

God that made laugh so much

[pearl beacon]

aSteven need some love, we hope in custom cookies or mega buffs

[karmic willow]

Mega

Nah

Grid expansions

[karmic willow]

Like what do you even want realistically

Offensively or defensively

Idk but i kinda want defensive

We got too much offense already

Something like

Heals when weather is clear

Holy shit that would instantly make him broken

At that point

Might even solo Moltress

I am not joking

That or

Something

Idk gimme ideas dammit

[pearl beacon]

Cake will absolutely benefit, once he stack some defs he can tank to some extent
Not sure if mfair will ever have a grid update
But cookies or other teaks are a thing so

Just not tech cake Dena

[karmic willow]

Then

Tech is a thing

Like Lillie

I would want sprint

[pearl beacon]

[karmic willow]

Or sup

Although

Field is

Interesting

But nah he's so weak he deadass not using it well

[pearl beacon]

How yo kill a unit with a cake
Dena murder clowns

[karmic willow]

Give him support

Pls

He needs the tankiness

The damage

Also

Will ex when

Like damn bro we getting like, bugsy and shit

Bugsy ex is nice on latios but

That's about it

I want will

I want

Units that are actually not ass

[pearl beacon]

They were running the E4 for EX we may have gotten bugsy bcs of his event rerun?

I think either Will or Whitney

Will be the next ones, im fine with any of them

Anything except pryce/brycen is a

[scenic bolt]

This is why they keep making them they hooked the tryhards

[rocky oasis]

gonna finish my exing my tech sync pairs next month

then gonna start working through all the damn 4* strikers

so many of them want the extra stats

[modest oar]

A busted unit is a busted unit

I'll totally spend for a variety select scout again

[tender horizon]

ur bank account gonna be busted at this rate haha

[austere crown]

PoMa Anniversary be like:

Alain and Mega Charizard X
Trevor and Mega Charizard Y
SSAsh and Charizard

StealingMore (Tina EX, MBlue duo on basically allLA)

[tender horizon]

Trevor for Anni? KMN

[rocky oasis]

Idk what to make of mix blues kit

i assume youre trying to clear during your 2 sun uses?

somehow

he def aint on par w/ mix red

[loud shell]

I mean red has the same duration issues. But blue doesn’t have the defensive backbone to fall on

[rocky oasis]

huh i dont have either of them

red at least has a heal

[dawn plume]

red is def better

has more utility by buffing defenses, potions, and offensive debuffs

also grassy terrain is more appreciated than sun which we already have a lot of

[rocky oasis]

remaining pfs w/o ex role

tbh thats fewer than i expected

tbf most of them are fine as they are? except for raihan

1/5 raihan sucks balls

victor and gloria are mediocre too

[dawn plume]

yea as of this month more pokefairs have ex roles than those that dont

which is wild cuz they have only been giving old fairs ex roles for less than 2 months

speedrunning

[rocky oasis]

hoping johtrio gets one soon

[dawn plume]

i kinda doubt

[heavy sinew]

ss blue strike role

[dawn plume]

they ran more recently than any of the others on there

besides ash

they reran right before ex roles got implemented

which kinda sucks

[rocky oasis]

tbh ill take it just to make the regi and entei solos easier

i want the stats

[dawn plume]

he probably will LOL

he has a sync multiplier

innate

[heavy sinew]

towering force moment

[dawn plume]

the poke fairs most due for reruns rn are ss cyrus, anni raihan, and lear, they have been gone for over a year

after that its alt gloria and leon and nemona

so hopefully they get ex roles soon

[heavy sinew]

ss korrina plz

[dawn plume]

ss korrina reran about 5 months ago but they didnt give her a 5/5 grid bc they hate her i guess ??

[heavy sinew]

sadness

i like her

[dawn plume]

i could see alt gloria getting any ex role besides field probably

idk which would make her solos easier

probably just support since thats usually just the best one

[heavy sinew]

sprint to use 2 bounces instead of 3

[dawn plume]

that would be really funny

strike would make her a monster with any aoe rebuffers particularly c leaf

but i dont rly want that...

[heavy sinew]

support is the only way

[dawn plume]

support is just too good

im always afraid of using my support cakes just bc of how valuable they are

[heavy sinew]

felt

[dawn plume]

these are my current options but i'm just gonna hold for a bit tbh

probably will do serena

[heavy sinew]

serena benefits the most

lusamine too but to a lesser extent

i think priority would be
serena > lusa > emma = gio > selene > everyone else

thats just me tho

i dont have emma or selene so idk much

[dawn plume]

im just thinking who do i actually sync with

paulo i've considered cuz i do sync with him for his b move

but hes 1/5

kinda meh

[chrome halo]

He wants to sync first so the cake benefits him massively

Personally i would put him on the same tier as Lusamine

[rocky oasis]

caking selene gives you a few solos iirc

[heavy sinew]

oh yea

coba, terra, uxie, regirock

sometimes i forget that she cant do moltres

sad

[rocky oasis]

just flinch every move

jk

[dawn plume]

she theoretically can do moltres its just

yeah

that

[heavy sinew]

if zinnia could do it so can her

[dawn plume]

zinnia is gaugeless and has a better flinch rate

but then again selene doesnt immediately lose on bar 1 if moltres gets so much as a flame charge off

[karmic willow]

I want him to get

Tech

Or something

He can solo latios right?

Stalwart

Stoic 2

No way he doesn't

[median swan]

if it's base raihan then he does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhaKQ3i0dqA

[karmic willow]

Yeah

He definitely needs tech to nuke dangerous half bars

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/25700/88400?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFHyAhIiorLzAxMg

Or sprint

Speed is such a huge issue for him

[rocky oasis]

yes

when im using him for rock slide flinches he hogs all the gauge

[pearl beacon]

Damn, those flinches

[karmic willow]

yeas

[pliant glen]

SS Gladion already did this lol

But yeah it sucks that the first Sprint 1st Alola unit was her (it will always be SS Gladion in my heart anyway).

[karmic willow]

might be a bit old but how tf does lodge sycamore even pull this off

doesn't acerola like, get destroyed?

no sp.def

[errant plume]

Flying Guard and infinite regen

Check the pins for my Gauntlet Doc, I have the build

This message doesn't mention Dana + NC Hop, V Gio + Ingo and Fall Caitlin + Iris (Champion)

[tender horizon]

Ex roles different anyways

[pearl beacon]

There are no sprint units in ba sing se

Next month sprintfield mfair

[kind imp]

Added

btw that message ended up getting more attention that I thought, but I don't have experience keeping a resource-ish, so if anyone has any suggestions ping me

And if anyone wants to maintain it themselves feel free to copy paste

[bitter gate]

what message

[kind imp]

This

A screenshot of it got pinned during lg

And it still hasn't been unpinned after this torn lg left

[true tartan]

and just like that... SS Hilda are more accessible with lower dupes but adding a cake

she really needed those defenses

Cobalion, Entei, Regirock, Uxie all were 5/5... and Raikou was 4/5

[bitter gate]

is Latias out of the question?

[true tartan]

no idea

[bitter gate]

i think she might have a shot no

[true tartan]

she has the tools imo

[bitter gate]

yeah exactly

surprised no one tried it yet

[true tartan]

but don't know if anyone has attempted

it requires 5/5

so, I can't

[bitter gate]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/403/49400?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBwgSExYkJyguMQ

[true tartan]

you can grab all what you need without extra energy tho

[sturdy steeple]

get unflappable 😭

[true tartan]

no need if you put her under half asap

Latias is relatively slow

at the start of the stage

[bitter gate]

right, mb

someone should give it a try, I'm quite sure she has the capacity

she's not ground weak either so no real risk

[true tartan]

no idea, maybe some have

I've seen many owners of 5/5 interestingly

[modest oar]

Latias might be doable but it's really bad

Bar 1 is fine but the problems start once she reaches Bar 2

[true tartan]

how come

I know latias starts hitting harder and harder as the game goes on

[modest oar]

Latias with her buffs makes it hard for Hilda to hit her effectively later on, and you want to stall on above half Bar 2 to not get nailed by outrage and the extra buffs from below half

[bitter gate]

she has confusion to poke at least

[modest oar]

Only in Bar 1

[bitter gate]

so it's not like she has to throw out 4 bars all the time

I know it's easier said than done but

[modest oar]

That's true, but Latias is fast in Bar 2

[bitter gate]

that's why somene should test it

[modest oar]

I did. I got to half Bar 2

[bitter gate]

and she died? was your Hilda caked?

[modest oar]

Both yes

I have +10 E

[true tartan]

how many syncs you got into Bar 2?

[chrome halo]

How about skill gears? With some Dragon DR

[true tartan]

did you start with a sync or sync at all in there?

[modest oar]

I think you sync twice before Bar 2

So it'd be 3 buffs

[true tartan]

so, if there's a way to enter bar 2 with a build up sync or near to do so

how much damage can she dish out hmmm

considering Latias would be at -6 Sp Def and Def

[modest oar]

Thing is, I want to debuff evasion before she syncs

Cause otherwise this hurt her damage

Maybe you'd want to farm more in Bar 1

[true tartan]

Acc +2, Atk +1, SpAtk +1
Speed +2
Atk +3, Eva +3
Defenses -12

so, you have a net 0

which reduces damage to half

[modest oar]

And she has calm mind

[true tartan]

yeah

but uses AFTER the first move

which is a normal one

depending on the odd circumstances

so you can do like hit -> sync at worst case(?)

making it -1

or 45%

[modest oar]

It might work, but it's likely she's just going to land her in half Bar 2

Which is bad

[true tartan]

she won't

the damage with a 90 offensive gear (no skills in gear that increases sync damage)

will put her around a 10k-11k damage if 50%

or a 11k-12.5k if 45% (-1)

Latias has 32660 HP

so you'd just get close to half

enough to try to spam some confusion to reduce the evasion

while it will use CM twice in the 2 rotations next

[modest oar]

I think the only way would be to abuse Bar 1 being slow to farm buffs

[true tartan]

that'd put her in a +3 Sp Attack and -4 Sp Def (if you don't reburn)

but placing the Eva to -6....

would make it

[modest oar]

First turn each bar should always be Searing Shot for burn

[true tartan]

Atk +4, Sp Atk +3, Speed +2, Acc +2
Def -6, Sp Def -4, Eva -6

which yields a.... 11 - 18... -7

if you do get to burn, you'd be at -9, 5% mit

and with that, you could try to sync over half

[modest oar]

Yeah. The only thing is just to spam confusion Bar 1 and get tons of tms so she'd heal

[true tartan]

I did the scenario as going into bar 2 with +3 boost and a 1 CD to Sync

[modest oar]

Latias also uses TK a lot post half so I can try to abuse it

[true tartan]

so you do Searing -> Sync -> Confusion

and possibly a TM down there

[modest oar]

Problem is, burn damage might get her below half

If I sync after searing shot

[true tartan]

mit 9

burn does 2.5% HP

she has 16330 HP...

and the sync would do

[modest oar]

Yeah but searing shot does about 4-5k

So it's risky

[true tartan]

then don't use searing lol

like, use confusion, use sync

let it get "a bit tanky"

so you don't nuke it

burn it when you need, not asap

if it were me, I'd possibly try to do something like grabbing Prop 9 with the extra 10, and start the stage by aiming to get 2 TM MPRs so I put my CD to 5

as I think i can sneak 2 TMs + 1 Move before Latias uses Safeguard

and so I have a sync accel option for future if I get lucky with MPRs

[modest oar]

You want to clear sides asap though

[true tartan]

the sync hits hard, no?

that + V-create

[modest oar]

Hm, guess I can try that. It'd require at least 3 mprs though

[true tartan]

in the end... you'll always require lots of MPRs as that's your sustain...

doubt that changes haha...

[karmic willow]

no

too much damage taken in

i got rolex +10 E

add a flinch eggmon

and it works

team acc up

is wonderful

especially for ones like

tech alakazam

needs more hp and regen

[sturdy steeple]

I believe in you g hyperstar,,

[pearl beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/rng-gif-25642648

[karmic willow]

https://twitter.com/nao0116_pikka/status/1789968643293315269

nao (@nao0116_pikka) on X

#LBライコウ単騎
マジコストウコ＆ビクティニ 3/5 EXR
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Twitter · May 13, 2024, 10:39 AM

chat is this clear new?

[loud shell]

It's not new but lower investment I think

Nope, nvm same investment level

[modest oar]

If EX R then no

Oh it's the same one from youtube. They posted it there too

[stuck mantle]

Go hyper take latias down:)😘

[karmic willow]

Oops

Psychic hits kinda hard

You need confuse rng

Gear is close to god tier so, idk

[modest oar]

You want to farm on Bar 1 buffs

[karmic willow]

I see

[modest oar]

Latias is slow in Bar 1 so this might work

[karmic willow]

Hopefully

After half bar it hits pretty hard

Bar 3 is nasty af

It gains defense quite fast

Think imma stick with

Uhhh

Eggmon for now

[modest oar]

I think if you skip Bar 2 and conserve HP in Bar 1 you might outlast Bar 3

[karmic willow]

Skip?

Nuke or what

It gains evasion quite fast

And sp.def from calm mind

Not to mention the offensive stats

You might have to brute force bar 2

And nuke bar 3

Or

Nuke before half bar 2

Hilda is strong enough?

[modest oar]

Nuke past half Bar 2

She's strong enough if you debuff Latias' evasion enough

[stuck mantle]

Hmm dont now how she deal bar 3

[modest oar]

Just V-Create spam

Hopefully

[stuck mantle]

You always can try but its hard

Latias is not easy deal

[modest oar]

Yeah. It's definitely the hardest if even possible

I'm honestly surprised by Uxie 3/5 EX R

[karmic willow]

Think i'll need mg2 on the eggmon

God she sucks

Hapu i mean

Might ex just to kill sides

I swear if raikou lg ever comes

You will see me with an ex'd hapu

[modest oar]

Lmao Hapu is terrible

Even EX does nothing

[heavy sinew]

Hapu ex might be the worst thing in the game

[dawn plume]

i used hapu with tina on bulu lg14 and hapu took a seed bomb on bar 3 and lived

even tho grass weak

thats something

[tender horizon]

Weird u let tina die

I think Flint and Tina is a weaker combo than that

[dawn plume]

how is that weird

[tender horizon]

Cus shes not supposed to die

[dawn plume]

well she did

dropped on bar 3

dunno what i coulda done about it other than dodge more

with flint she has more hp cuz of fire theme skills

[modest oar]

The lengths I go for SS Hilda on Latias

Hopefully the extra sp. defense and dr will help her

[kind imp]

Um

Isn't that skill dr when you're the one statused

The other starts with opp(onent)

[jade ore]

It could be scrolling

[true tartan]

yeah, that's DR when you get status

[modest oar]

Crap

Then that's the wrong one

[true tartan]

well

[modest oar]

And to think I wasted an ever pin on that

[true tartan]

that one can be useful for Registeel/Raikou

or Adaman

[modest oar]

True... but I wouldn't want to get statused either. Would be nice with Adaman so maybe I can keep it

Only problem is that I don't have him

[true tartan]

eventually

the thing is done, so gotta roll with it

[modest oar]

I locked Unova pin to it too so eh

[worthy horizon]

yea moltres raikou and registeel are the ones where you're the most likely to get statused

tornadus if you can para but nothing really wants to take poison

it is easy to forget that status condition does not mean opp status condition, that's something i messed up several times in the past lol

though i'd never spent an ever pin on it

also i forgot cresselia

and then entei

[modest oar]

Thing is that 5% dr is huge so I thought if it'd reduce Latias' damage it could work

But guess not, so pain

[kind imp]

Shauntal gear

I remember Flare was trying to do latios

[worthy horizon]

i looked at the japanese doc recently and i found out that snow was attempting shauntal latios

and thinks that and ss hilbert tornadus are possible among a few others

[true tartan]

SS Hilbert tornadus is one that is possible

but too rng reliant to go in your favor

you need para luck

[modest oar]

Maybe Snow or someone else could try Latias with Hilda. For now I'm done

[worthy horizon]

it does seem like a pretty awful grind

[modest oar]

It is. Latias just hits so hard

That said, propulsion helps a lot so this is definitely the way

[worthy horizon]

how many mprs do you estimate it needs

[modest oar]

At least 3, if not 4

You need 2 uses immediately, then once after healing runs out in Bar 1 and another in Bar 2

You'll probably want for Bar 3 as well

[true tartan]

you're doing the Prop one?

[modest oar]

Yes

[true tartan]

ah interesting

[modest oar]

The thing is that it's really hard to position myself well for Bar 2

Like she'll need more HP

[tight rivet]

isnt his speed like super ass

[kind imp]

yes but

just get lucky ™

[karmic willow]

also

i swear to god

mind games 4 and dc4

NEVER

works

when you play downside up

[pearl beacon]

The hell, this month seasonals custom feather are literal trash

I'll trade the skill sphere instead

Ig only Bellelba's feather looks nice, for stuff like ssLana

[loud shell]

At this point I just reroll with actual feathers until I get a good buff and theme combo

[dawn plume]

rainbow feathers have been lacking lately

i still use the ss piers, iono, and chase feathers together for rat-core though lol

[vital ibex]

lmao same

[heavy sinew]

You guys use rainbow feathers?

[kind imp]

^

[modest oar]

They're just not worth using

Stats are too low

[kind imp]

i don't bother with them too

but i guess it could be good when the stats don't matter

[rocky oasis]

i dont either

maybe id use them if i had way more everpins but i dont

so rip

[kind imp]

like doing regirock with a physical attacker

the bandanna stats barely matter

[rocky oasis]

if we could farm everpins maybe we could just lock in all the good skills and then reroll for better stats

only scenario where id use them imo

[modest oar]

We really need that

[pearl beacon]

To get the right themes and locking on third slot

MC feathers my beloved

[vital ibex]

they're little boosts but boosts nonetheless in my eyes

i dont tryhard for gauntlet or high score to care enough for like the best gear

i only did it for the velio torn solo and that was enough to convince me to stop lol

[true tartan]

sadly ran out of pots

the sync did 2.7k

[sturdy steeple]

[true tartan]

5/5 10 energy would do this with less problems than 3/5 6 lol

[worthy horizon]

yeah that's pretty good

i was reviewing lysandre vs cobalion and the luck to manage that is still too absurd to ever happen and latias manages to be far worse with mandating dc2

i did realize you can manage to grid downside up, both dark pulse mgrs, and both agg 1 tiles along with tm mpr on the same grid

the luck required for moltres was literally only 4 mprs, all the real effort went into finding the setup and ruling out what didn't work

[true tartan]

it'd be better if DeNA gave Swoobat its Heart Stamp

instead of ZH

[dawn plume]

that would require programming a new move animation,..... no can do..........

we only got enough budget for 1 new move animation a month............ gigaton hammer away

[karmic willow]

HOW?

[heavy sinew]

Just flinch

4head

[true tartan]

it was explained before how lol

any unit that can abuse DC2 can do it...

[karmic willow]

maybe i have

over prepared

i always think like

you need to debuff at least 2 stats (not counting evasion)

[true tartan]

is not about debuffing 2 stats

is debuffing the correct stat

[karmic willow]

yeah but

can someone tell me

how fluid fortification works again

and weakened

do you take more damage if more debuffs are on you?

[true tartan]

no, you don't take more damage the more debuffs you have

it only mitigates

[karmic willow]

how is it different?

[true tartan]

because if not

you'd do more damage than you should

when it is at -10, you do the damage as if Fluid Fortification dind't exist

[karmic willow]

i really need someone to math this stuff for me cuz i'm lost af lmfao

[karmic willow]

i see

so it doesn't go beyond 0% damage reduction

[true tartan]

if it has from -9 to +9, it mitigates 5%for each

[karmic willow]

got it

so at -4 def - 6 evasion

you take 100% damage like normal yeh?

[true tartan]

and once it reaches +10, all damage is negated but MAX Moves or Piercing Blows-like skills/moves do

nope

NET SUM

for example

[karmic willow]

i don't really follow

but alright

[karmic willow]

max moves priviledged

[true tartan]

at that point, Latias had +2 Acc, +4 Atk, +4 SAtk, +4 Spd, +3 Sp. Def

[karmic willow]

[true tartan]

and -5 Def -6 Eva

add them all

[karmic willow]

+6

so great

[true tartan]

+17 positive stats, -11 negative, ends up at +6

[karmic willow]

more debuffs means more damage

[true tartan]

which is, damage is reduced to 35%

[karmic willow]

as in less mitigated

got it

[modest oar]

Latias' gimmick sure is annoying

Fluid fortification sucks

[true tartan]

the thing is that if you go MG2

Latias can reach to +6 Defense in the run

just by thersholds

[karmic willow]

Fluid is not the issue

[true tartan]

while Sp. Def can sometimes not even be maxed

[karmic willow]

It's that stupid evasion

Aight

It does gain defense at quite a ridiculous rate

Anyways

Mg2 brock

[true tartan]

but yeah, in theory even Sonia should be able to do Latias

with infinite healing

[karmic willow]

And earthquake

Has to be flinched

[true tartan]

you can flinch it

or tank it with Vigi

[karmic willow]

And that her sp.def doesn't reach a crippling rate

[true tartan]

it'd also depend on how much damage she can dish out

like, maybe going for MG2 could help her put it under half?

haven't made calcs, but the best bet is to flinch EQ

C Calem can also do it, I've reached bar 3 with him

maybe SSA Cynthia too

but she'd have a BAD time doing damage as you'd have to give up Witty Hit

and DC2 not increasing her damage

really a pain

[karmic willow]

At that point

Imma just

Add a second mon

[true tartan]

why? I'm just talking about new solos lol

at that point you'd just use her in the either of the other 2 if you're talking about LG

unless they are Entei and Moltres ahahaha

in which using her vs Latias would be the wiser choice

[modest oar]

Trying Sonia on Latias would be so miserable

Let alone SSA Cynthia

[worthy horizon]

yeah could easily be way worse than bellelba without having spdef buffs or stalwart on grid

[true tartan]

yep

[worthy horizon]

also if argenta manages entei i'd be inclined to think ssa cynthia would do entei easier than latias

still a lot worse off than argenta though

argenta affords to run escape artist

oh yeah and no vigilance on grid ruins things

[true tartan]

and DC9 lol

and Natural Remedy

[worthy horizon]

yea lot better there

had to rewatch to remember how many things argenta has going for her

[modest oar]

No Vigilance + guaranteed status will destroy her

She either has to take flameproof to avoid burns, or Vigilance to not get crit by every move

If she could have two it'd be better

[true tartan]

I'm adding some runs to the Doable section of my doc

any other ideas you may get?

[modest oar]

If you didn't put SS Hilda on Latias, it's an idea. Theoretically Champion Red can get Uxie and Terrakion (Adam got to almost half bar 3 with Uxie iirc, and Terrakion is doable with constant freezes and mgr procs)

SST Red 1/5 EX R might be able to get Latias too as I was trying that too but I'm still not sure about the optimal strategy here

[kind imp]

3/5 SS leaf on latios and bulu

Discombulate 4, MPR 3 and potion mpr 3 pain

[true tartan]

ah, there's still the Mix Red vs Regirock too

[kind imp]

Can SS Kris do smth?

[true tartan]

yeah, she can set rain

[kind imp]

Terrakion?
A lot of rng with Stoic 4, team swift reaction 4, staggering 3, mgr3 and rain mpr 2 rng

[kind imp]

But it's prob possible

I got to bar 2.5 iirc

[sturdy steeple]

ive gotten close on azelf

oh and registeel, both with mind games

[heavy sinew]

He hasn't done it?

2 uses of gt is tough tho

[modest oar]

He didn't

[heavy sinew]

Forgot he has shrug off so idk if this is his best shot at it

Save Max for bar 2 or 3?

[modest oar]

Probably Bar 2 so you'd have as little stats reduced as possible and avoid the Iron Defenses as much as possible. With +10E Red can use this grid

Red does little damage to Regirock after Bar 1, but if he can enter Bar 2 with a sync + Max Move ready it might work

[modest oar]

Can't stop this Red

He's still 1/5 EX R

[sturdy steeple]

Wowo

[modest oar]

I gave him Wise Entry 2. It's basically just a matter of hitting through raised evasion

Red's healing is busted and thundershock has quick animation

[worthy horizon]

ex +0E

[pearl beacon]

Oooof so close

[worthy horizon]

since her ex role is strike, uxie and cresselia should be able to be lowered too

could take a while though and i'm done grinding cobalion for now

just add a few extra flinches/dodges

[stuck mantle]

Where coba whent? He run a way lol

[tender horizon]

Ive used some to get theme skill gears like gym leader during LG easily

[worthy horizon]

he just blinks out of existence for a bit during facade

[heavy sinew]

No Rika this time

[austere crown]

are you trying to pull her off a daily?

[heavy sinew]

Tried

[modest oar]

Same. I'll see her in anni

[heavy sinew]

Yup

[modest oar]

https://youtu.be/UqrZLGzAwbU

The solo in a video form

[austere crown]

https://tenor.com/view/easy-staples-that-was-easy-staples-easy-button-easy-button-gif-21815485

or at least it seems so

field EXR is insane for him

[modest oar]

Absolutely. Last 3 are impossible for him though at 1/5

All of them require the flinch

[austere crown]

is there a list of theoretically doable solos, or do tryhards just know them by heart?

[true tartan]

the power of 150 + Skill Gear

and a busted base kit lol

[pearl beacon]

DC2 not proccing enough also no procs on bar3 -> I died

But eventually

[austere crown]

holy fucking shit what the fuck?

[pearl beacon]

Far from winning there's bar3 ahead, but definitely possible, need to match good shared fortune rolls with dc2 procs and everyrhing else

I'll give it more tries time to time

[true tartan]

now you feel my Bellelba pain

but Erika has it "easier"

since she is a vampire unit

[pearl beacon]

Yeah

[chrome halo]

Comfey needs to kiss harder

[true tartan]

Latias cheeks are going to be so red

[pearl beacon]

This roll I got +2 def +2 speed +2 atk, nice but not enough, need some spatk

[chrome halo]

2020 kit moment

[pearl beacon]

Regirock is also on my list
I'll grab sharpentry1 again

[modest oar]

Btw, I think I found a better strat for Latias with SS Hilda. 1 tm immediately and then just V-Create Latias until sync

It got me to Bar 2 with 90% health