Trainer Lodge

[still finch]

Do you need lodge stones for dupes of the lodge pairs? Or how many lodge stones does it cost

[void lintel]

According to the trainer dex, there are 254 sync pairs.
And three of those are default starter eggmons, so that's only 251 that actually need Certificates of Excellence

[daring cosmos]

lodge stones are 100 per 1 level cap break

[void lintel]

You can do this but for Strikers and Techs you may as well just feed them 4star candies

Blue and Cynthia (Supports) might be worth considering buying the dupes

[still finch]

That's my plan

[void lintel]

Let me see if I can check the price without actually having them at 100

[still finch]

Yeah I wish the market would tell you

[daring cosmos]

I dunno, lv.4 candies are plentiful enough

[still finch]

I'd love to buy some certificates

[glad acorn]

Definitely better to buy lodge pairs for support and tech. Strike can be candied

[void lintel]

For Strike/Tech, sure. For Support, maybe not so much. Especially since BP pairs just added two more.

[daring cosmos]

Unless your account was made in the last 3 months, I don't think BP tickets would be a problem either

[void lintel]

Hecc. The "do this to unlock this shop button" notes are perfectly obscuring the lodge stone price

[maiden haven]

Isn't it 500 per copy?

[void lintel]

I heard this somewhere but cannot verify

I also heard 100 elsewhere

And I can't verify that either

[still finch]

500 makes more sense than 100

[void lintel]

500 is fifty levels

[still finch]

But I guess we'll have to wait for someone to make it to the promised land

[maiden haven]

five

[daring cosmos]

500?

[maiden haven]

well, 10

[onyx quarry]

So wait how many level certificates can we get with the vanilla 100 levels + rewards

[maiden haven]

you get the first copy for free

[still finch]

is anyone actually close to the promised land? I wouldn't be surprised

[void lintel]

10 raw certs from the rewards
1,000 Lodge Stones (for another 10 Certs) from level-ups

It's plausible that someone reached 100 by now, yeah

[onyx quarry]

So you can get 2 units to level 150 per unit

Per lodge character i should say

[void lintel]

If it's 500 stones per dupe, then you can just... not spend the lodge stones from level-ups and reach 3/5

But when the cost is 5 certs... hm.

[onyx quarry]

I have 5 support candies so im spending them on blue and cynthia

[void lintel]

Keep one in case the next lodge pair is another support, I suppose

I switched Lodge characters midway; if I hadn't done that, I'd have... let's see...
One friend at Lv87

So it's very plausible that someone luckier than I, may have already breached 100

[maiden haven]

I'm around 60, but I have been slacking

[void lintel]

(Lillie is 43, and Cynthia is 45)

(Add Cynthia's 44 level-ups to Lillie and that's 87)

[still finch]

I'm at 40 but I really fumbled the bag a number of times in the early days (using all interactions at once) oh and I can't forget not realizing we could have TWO expedition teams until Day 3

[daring cosmos]

I made that same mistake

I thought the character slots unlocked the second team.

[still finch]

Me too

[void lintel]

All-interactions isn't so bad on its own; over a long enough time, it's equivalent to doing them separately.
If you made mistakes during a multi-interact run, though, then yeah that could be oof

[still finch]

I went in without knowing hot topics either so yeah let's add it to the list. But oh well, I've righted the ship

[daring cosmos]

You could just do all 6, gamble with silver or gold tier present and hit over 100+ at the end of the interaction

[void lintel]

The risk is the same as doing them one by one

[still finch]

I've thought about doing that, I mean this game rewards taking risks, but I'm still getting used to it

[daring cosmos]

Dunno, some interactions end after the 4th question

[onyx quarry]

I got to 62 today

Or was it 61

[void lintel]

The odds of this happening are the same regardless of the number of interactions you were using

There is no difference over a long period of time to average the results out

[daring cosmos]

I could go from 4 or 12...

That's assuming you have hard numbers from the data mine

showing the average number of interactions

[void lintel]

I was surprised that Cynthia's second scene ||reveals that she loves piano music|| but when I got to her themesong while flipping through the Best Beats website, I felt really stupid when ||it very prominently features a piano in it||

I haven't EXed Cynthia so I don't have her song key, but... I can hear it in-game anyway by just going to her gacha banner

[daring cosmos]

I can still hear her theme from going in Pearl blind a decade ago.

[void lintel]

Good thing you didn't go in deaf!

[daring cosmos]

WAKA WAKA!

[void lintel]

[maiden haven]

how did you not realise the piano

[void lintel]

I don't think I actually did the Unova postgame, and it's been years since I played Gen4

[daring cosmos]

Gen 5?

[void lintel]

Unova is Gen5
Cynthia's debut was Gen4

[maiden haven]

Cynthia visit's Caitlin's summer house in Undella Town

[void lintel]

I'm saying I didn't meet her in Unova

[maiden haven]

that's probably one of her golden Places topics

[daring cosmos]

Oh that's right, you're talking about her beach front vacation home

[void lintel]

And it had been even longer since I met her in actual Sinnoh

[ripe gorge]

Cyn is in bw2 tho right

[void lintel]

That's Cait's house

[void lintel]

Oh, I didn't pick up BW2 at all. Welp.

[daring cosmos]

also close to 10 years

lol

[ripe gorge]

The PWT included all the champions and e4 iirc

[pale marsh]

the beach house

[ripe gorge]

along with gym leaders

[daring cosmos]

The PWT in BW2 was the best

[ripe gorge]

true

[maiden haven]

it was the end of a pokemon timeline too, end of an era

we probably won't have any other game in that universe ever

[ripe gorge]

postgame thing that kept me going was the PWT

[daring cosmos]

It was the best post game mode for PvE

[void lintel]

Cynthia has "Swimsuits" as a Super Exciting topic, so that pours a nice several gallons of fuel on the "SWIMSUIT CYNTHIA WHEN" crowd, clamoring since launch

[ripe gorge]

kinda forced me to learn to breed good ev and iv, and i loved it

[maiden haven]

swimsuit cynthia, but it's 1900s swimsuit

[daring cosmos]

Amish Cynthia

[void lintel]

I'd ask how much we wanna bet that her eventual swimsuit will be black in default and then white as EX, but... I don't think anyone would actually bet against that happening

[void lintel]

SUPER EXCITING!

[ripe gorge]

best topic

literal "hot topic"

[maiden haven]

Rosa wants to talk about her buns, as in hairstyles topic

[void lintel]

If you make Rosa angry on a hot day, does that result in hot cross buns?

[maiden haven]

wonder if we will ever get a character debut alongside their lodge debut, i can think of a few ones that do

[ripe gorge]

does this mean any alt lodge trainer will have their own lodge snapshoot?

[void lintel]

Looking at precedent, my best guess is "No until Yes"
Remember, new releases didn't have grids until a few months after the grid system was released

[daring cosmos]

There was one character in the PWT I hated so much... I think it was Steven.

[void lintel]

THE BEST THERE IS

Now that I think of it, I wonder how Cynthia's sync nuke matches up against Maxie's. Maybe she's EXworthy after all, and then I'll have holofoil on her photos as a bonus

[worldly ivy]

Tbh I can see this eventually becoming the norm cause it'll give ppl a lot more incentive to pull for them. Feel like dena will wanna get initial feedback on the lodge and fix it up a little before they do this tho

[maiden haven]

at least it will promote new characters instead of alts, im all in

[void lintel]

Maxie has some hurdles on his sync nuke anyway...
Lyra would be hogging the syncs on his team to refresh sun. ...And my Maxie is 1/5 whereas my Cynthia is 5/5 and can actually access her grid. (Lady Luck reeeallly wanted me to have her instead of Steven)

[daring cosmos]

It sorta sucks since I don't have N, Cynthia, or even Marnie. So that's about 3,000 lodge stones and rewards I'm missing out.

[maiden haven]

EX her for the theme

[void lintel]

It is a pretty sweet theme.

[maiden haven]

same, but im not going to get them just for the lodge

[void lintel]

I guess if Marnie shares a banner with Gloria, I might pull there.
Marnie keeps recurring on banners where I already have the other character...

[daring cosmos]

She's usually on paid though

[void lintel]

I refuse

Not because I'm against paying, but because I'm cheap and decline to pay that much

[daring cosmos]

paid gems for marnie in the last year.

[worldly ivy]

I kinda want Cynthia just to unlock her in lodge, but not gonna pull on her monthly fair rerun banner thingy cause don't wanna end up with marnie

[void lintel]

I only ever buy the 1USD for 300+ gems deals

[maiden haven]

i wish triple banners were actually good

instead of "have these 3 older characters"

or 2 older and one more recent

[daring cosmos]

They're alright if your account is new.

[void lintel]

My hope is for a Sinnoh Villain Arc rerun that has Lucas+SSDawn+SSCyrus all together

[maiden haven]

actually, that White Day men banner was good for lodge, it had N, Steven and someone else, all 3 will likely join Lodge

[worldly ivy]

Lance

[maiden haven]

is Lance a good topic

[void lintel]

And the genpool was restricted to men, too

For Silver, surprisingly, yes

10pts in fact

[maiden haven]

but not for Blue who is his coworker

[worldly ivy]

I hope we get proper white day alts next year tho

[daring cosmos]

Did DeNA confirm they would rerun villain arcs "before" finishing them for all regions?

[void lintel]

They've already rerun Kanto

[maiden haven]

no, but they already reran some of them

[void lintel]

But no others so far

[maiden haven]

i can see why they didnt rerun them before anni, too much going on already

[void lintel]

I'd also love a Johto rerun for SSMorty and SSGio to share a banner

Because not only are they both really dang powerful in battle, SSGio has +3 rare for Lodge

[daring cosmos]

Oh yeah, ss gio, ss mommy and daughter have +3 right?

[glad acorn]

Anyone know the number of new characters that got added from 2.5 to now?

New characters. I don't mean alt

[kind marlin]

A triple pokefair banner with the sinnoh VA units would be like the best value banner to date

[void lintel]

SSGio, SSLusa, SSCynthia (Giratina), and Masked Royal

[glad acorn]

Is it Looker, Courtney and Nita?

[daring cosmos]

wait... kommo-o has it?

[void lintel]

Looker and Courtney are genpool...

I got Looker from Red's banner in fact

[glad acorn]

I know I mean new characters. Referring to this

[void lintel]

My game actually crashed during the pull animation so I had to go sort my roster by Acquire Date to see if I got anyone new

[ripe gorge]

I got courney from ash banner iirc

[daring cosmos]

Naw, kommo-o has +2

[glad acorn]

142 + 3 - 9 = 136

[void lintel]

Oh, right, I EXed Renegade Cynthia

[daring cosmos]

do I need to ex kommo for +3?

[glad acorn]

136 pairs to be added to lodge

[void lintel]

I just saw a Cynthia In White

[daring cosmos]

nvm!

[ripe gorge]

meanwhile Marnie isnt in gen pool frustate me or is she in the pool?

[kind marlin]

It’s ssr Cynthia not regular ss

[void lintel]

And thought it was Kommo-o Cynthia since she's in light grey

[glad acorn]

Monthly banner

[void lintel]

I'll edit!

[glad acorn]

Along with N

[void lintel]

Done, thank you

[kind marlin]

Basically guaranteeing yourself a pity

[daring cosmos]

Marnie is DeNA's cash cow, with every blonde in the game.

[glad acorn]

I can imagine the next upgrade on a pokefair will change the monthly banner roster of pokefair too

[void lintel]

Lodge units being "genpool" in the monthly fair, huh...

The monthly fair doesn't even seem to trigger the [Poké Fair] flag on the Shop button. There was one day where Cynthia's banner was up but the paid select scouts were not, and I think there was no [Poké Fair] flag on the button on that day

[glad acorn]

I mean, if I was a new player pulling for Cynthia and got Marnie on the way, I wouldn't complain

[void lintel]

Cynthia... hm. I heard her sync nuke becomes very good at 3/5, but I'm not sure I'd recommend a newbie to pull for 3/5.
And I don't know if she's better enough than Naomi to warrant it

[daring cosmos]

it would be a pretty good banner

[void lintel]

Naomi's free.

[glad acorn]

Naomi has no 6ex tho

[void lintel]

Also wonder what the verdict is on Hapu's grid

[daring cosmos]

that's big

[void lintel]

While true, will a newbie be able to 6EX someone

[daring cosmos]

6EX striker is big

[void lintel]

Newbies are recommended to EX their Supports first, remember

[daring cosmos]

they get complimentary mats

as new players

[void lintel]

That is true for Rosa

[glad acorn]

Well those stashes of power ups in lodge if they got someone to teach them how

[void lintel]

This is a good point

Were there 20 per Lodge character?

[glad acorn]

Yeah. Thrown at you at 5x each

[void lintel]

Then Cynthia being able to EX nuke as soon as the newbie raises her to Friend100... that's not a bad deal at all.

[glad acorn]

Imagine a bundle of 5x power up as reward in 2020 and 2021. Better pay up

[void lintel]

And Rosa's will go to someone else

Because Rosa already gets customs

This is looking better and better.

[glad acorn]

You also can use the power ups from the free pairs such as Sycamore and Rosa

That's 60 power ups

[void lintel]

Ah, Sycamore too

And Silver

(Sycamore EX wheeeeen)

[glad acorn]

That's why I think that power up has lost most of its value and got replaced by coins

[void lintel]

Not just for being more overpowered but also for his holofoil lodge photos

Yeeeaaahhh I just scrolled through the Lodge invitation menu and he's the only one without EX

[glad acorn]

Of course, I just hope that newbie didn't go and exchange those Legendary powe ups for a meager 2 general 5star power up

[daring cosmos]

I'm tempted to do for rosa. When I got Master Healer 2 on her grid, made a world of difference.

[void lintel]

But the next Masters' Day grid expansions are all Alola, so... we might get Alola villain arc in October or something...

[void lintel]

Every time I helped a newbie and it turned out they did this, I felt second-hand pain

[daring cosmos]

I thought Unova was next?/

[void lintel]

Is it? Maybe it was in the dev letter... let me check

[glad acorn]

"Hey guys, since Zinnia sucks, can I use her 20 power up elsewhere?"

I remember this question back in 2020

[daring cosmos]

I remember seeing that on the google search results lol

lotta people hated Zinnia before her revamp

[glad acorn]

"What do you mean I shouldn't? It's an option in the shop"

[alpine flare]

me still thinking this right until her ex came out 😂

[void lintel]

I might've missed something, but I don't see anything about the next villain arc-- Unova or otherwise-- in the most recent dev letter. Hm...

Maybe it was in the previous one? But that'd take... a lot of scrolling I'm not prepared to do

[daring cosmos]

Well they said they were going to re-run lodge characters. Cynthia this month, N next month?

Coincide N with Unova arch?

[void lintel]

That would certainly make sense at least for chronological order

Gen 4 --> Gen 5 --> Gen 8

[glad acorn]

Not sure if spoiler, but the next event is kinda Alola focus?

[daring cosmos]

Marnie would be nov/dec

is it alola?

[void lintel]

It has an Alolan Sightseer

As a freebie pair

A generic NPC trainer joining the player team

Rosa herself is Unovan

...So I guess our speculations are stalemated

[daring cosmos]

I keep asking around the discord every week, so there's never a concrete answer. Guess gotta wait another month

[void lintel]

Cynthia banner, freebie Naomi, and Hapu grid... it's a good month for Ground

Hapu EX, no less. But I wonder if she's even worth using

[daring cosmos]

Though it makes it hard for me to decide which pair to ex next, without waiting. I like to prep before the extreme battles in each regional villain arch

[void lintel]

I like to keep a few EX's worth of materials in my stockpile just in case.

But maybe with the increased gold ticket income from Lodge... Hm. I might be able to afford a few more than I expected, in the coming months

[daring cosmos]

Seems like that's my best choice without commiting this month.

[void lintel]

One time I went so long without thinking about new EXes that I had around 15-17 EXes worth

[daring cosmos]

That's also true, didn't expect the rewards to be generous.

[void lintel]

I spent like eleven of them when I finally noticed

[pale marsh]

Ground stans feasting this month

[glad acorn]

Some say that Naomi beats her because easier to set up

[void lintel]

First on Supports, and then when I ran out, on all my Limiteds

[void lintel]

Interesting indeed...

[glad acorn]

But I think Hapu has a role having good defense bulk

[void lintel]

Sometimes ya gotta facetank the enemy sync and keep swinging

[glad acorn]

Definitely gonna give her a go next LG

[void lintel]

I can see it

Food for thought... thank you.

[daring cosmos]

as long as Naomi has easier set-up than OG Karen...

[glad acorn]

Cobalion "Damn, I didn't bring any special attacks with me"

[void lintel]

Uh, doesn't Cobalion pierce defense buffs

[glad acorn]

I also heard OG Karen got good after the upgrade

[glad acorn]

Only for sacred sword

[void lintel]

Hm...

[daring cosmos]

Does she get a sync nuke multipier?

[void lintel]

I believe so

[glad acorn]

He's gonna get mud slapped on his face down to -6 Acc too

[void lintel]

I'll check pomatools

[glad acorn]

She does

[daring cosmos]

Thank god.

[glad acorn]

Also has Satisfied Snarl 9

Oh, Dark Pulse Aggravation 2

No more needing to keep Bite

[void lintel]

Two sync nuke tiles on the left, two "Tech-like" nodes on the right

...I should have cropped that differently

Hold on

[daring cosmos]

Yeah, she was so hard to use before. I had to use SS Leaf/Viola/Karen to get any damage out of her.

[glad acorn]

where is my glacia buff, DeNA?

[glad acorn]

Well, OG Karen is a tech disguised as a strike

[void lintel]

Satisfied Snarl 9 means her Snarl can drop two SpAtk ranks, or her Dark Pulse can still drop one

Hunh. If you can get someone to do the buffing for her, she can launch a fully-buffed nuke on the first sync

[daring cosmos]

Can drop dirty fighting from her if that's the case.

I used viola for that

[void lintel]

Only thing holding her back is the Mega tax...

[void lintel]

Oh, Viola can do the de-buffing

Now she can Snarl 3 times for -6 all

And then EX sync them all

[glad acorn]

Or just gets it from doing pulse

[void lintel]

yeah, but no pulse before first sync

[daring cosmos]

before I would have to get leaf to poison, viola to trap/spA down, and self buff Karen

[void lintel]

I had to resort to BPErika+Karen+Rachel

And Rachel is made of glass

[thick widget]

What is Lusamine made of

[void lintel]

(When you have both Dirty+Foul Fighting together, the raw Dark Pulse BP nodes are better damage than Overpower)

[void lintel]

Papier mâché

[daring cosmos]

She was hitting things with Dark pulse for 5k-9k

[glad acorn]

where is my glacia upgrade, DeNA?

[thick widget]

When Anni Steven gets buffed

[void lintel]

I mean, yeah, but she doesn't need SpAtk Down at all if you're doing a Double Fighting build

[thick widget]

[onyx quarry]

All of the spotlight bug types could use a power boost

And also i want lodge guzma please

[daring cosmos]

I'm using the grid that has Dirty + Foul Fighting 5 + Overpower. So she was hitting like a truck once everything was set-up

[glad acorn]

Guzma. That's another guy who needs an upgrade

When you are using him as a literal meat shield

[void lintel]

I can see his convo topics now

             < Give Present >
<Smashing Things>       <Destroying Things>
             <Breaking Things>```

[glad acorn]

Sorry guzma but I needed the tank against Uxie

[daring cosmos]

Guzma and vanilla Lusamine

[void lintel]

I'm telling you, you don't need Overpower in that grid

You get less hassle and better damage by substituting the Overpower energy for raw Dark Pulse BP

[daring cosmos]

the calculator says that?

[void lintel]

Let me go run the numbers

[glad acorn]

Overpower is just 30% increase at most, last I checked

[daring cosmos]

sec, gonna screen cap my karen's grid

[void lintel]

Soon as I remember what the grids even look like. Now I gotta go open the grid doc

Aaaand the doc has already been updated, removing that build because the energy is even better spent in the new nodes

[vast aspen]

found this video, even tho it's detailed but somehow helps getting 13 levels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwgaSEC7HPg&ab_channel=Bropenings

[void lintel]

And without enough energy to buy all four Dark Pulse nodes, Overpower-- which is made indirectly cheaper due to the new nodes granting a lower-Energy path to it-- wins out again...

Welp

[daring cosmos]

what's a good site to upload an image for 1 time uses? I can't upload an image on discord

[alpine flare]

imgur

[void lintel]

Part of the reason Dark Pulse BP won before, was that the nodes give so much BP for so little energy

[daring cosmos]

https://imgur.com/a/JeIQbtp

[void lintel]

...Wait, hol up

[daring cosmos]

So I would debuff with ss leaf/frenchie and self buff karen x3 and nuke and go from there.

but a lot of that changes at the end of the month.

[void lintel]

Well, BP still wins even with one node less

BP grid

Overpower grid

[daring cosmos]

... I'm still using her current grid

[void lintel]

Overpower, more like overrated

[daring cosmos]

that's all new buffs

[void lintel]

My dude, this was true before the new grid too

I'll delete the extra nodes

Problem is, I don't remember the old Overpower grid

[daring cosmos]

just saying, you're running the new grid vs old grid

[hard badger]

Did you use overpower? Karen I remember used foul play and dirty fighting

[daring cosmos]

https://imgur.com/a/JeIQbtp

[void lintel]

What do you mean? Both grids in my screenshots have the new nodes in them

And both have the new nodes active

[daring cosmos]

DeNA gave her a ton of new nodes

[hard badger]

The team was more concerned with getting the status and interference than it was dropping sp atk

[maiden haven]

Hope she gets into lodge somehow

[void lintel]

Look again. Sync Power Flux, Devastation, and Satisfied Snarl 9 are visible

And active

Overpower is worse

Even now

[autumn stone]

Lmao I thought I was in the wrong channel we talkin grids

[hard badger]

Lodge has always been about optimization

[autumn stone]

Btw do we have data on cheer on rates?

[maiden haven]

#916852389347196958 would be the best place to discuss it, but I'm not a mod so

[void lintel]

Seems to be a 24hr cooldown plus a randomized interval, as mine keep creeping later and later in the day

[daring cosmos]

I'm not arguing that the new nodes are good or not. I am more interested with Karen's current grid, how would she output more damage?

[hard badger]

From somewhat extensive research I have concluded that cheer gives you +1 all stats

The caveat is that it worms similar to items even if the stat would ordinarily be minus 6 it still gives a +1

[maiden haven]

Reading the help section?

[autumn stone]

Lol same, It's hard to get accurate data like my first log is between 8-15hrs then it gets higher

[void lintel]

Simple: Overpower is a change from 220% to 250% whereas four BP nodes are a change from 104 to 128 BP

Though your grid has one so I guess it's the difference between 110 to 128

[glad acorn]

Damn, then you look at Aero Blast +1 for 8 energy

[void lintel]

Which is still a larger fractional gain

I'll tell you when you want to grid Karen for Overpower.

When she's only 2/5.

[daring cosmos]

So just drop overpowered and just get DPulse nodes?

[void lintel]

Yeah

Overpower is a consolation prize for being only 2/5

You don't need it anymore once you're 3/5

[glad acorn]

Interesting. So Karen can still be a flinchbot at 2/5

[void lintel]

Aggravation 2 is p sweet...

[daring cosmos]

not really, still gotta evolve her

[glad acorn]

Bite Aggrav 1 works too. Same 60% flinch

[daring cosmos]

Oh right, I guess you could keep her on the side for flinching with bite. She'd have 60% non evolved, 40% evolved.

[void lintel]

Or buy DP Aggravation and have 60% both ways. Remember that the bonus nodes are very cheap

...Wait, 40% evolved...?

What?

[daring cosmos]

yeah

dark pulse drops to 20

[void lintel]

?????

Explain where 40 comes from?

[daring cosmos]

I'm assuming Lethartist saying aggr1 bite is 60%

[void lintel]

Correct

[daring cosmos]

that's also assuming base of 30 is doubled by agg

[void lintel]

Also correct

[daring cosmos]

so 20 doubled is 40

[void lintel]

Aggravation 2

20 is tripled

[daring cosmos]

she gains agg 2?

[void lintel]

Yeah, you can see it in my most recent photo

[daring cosmos]

based on her "new" node?

[void lintel]

Yeah

On the right

Just above the locked thing in the middle

[daring cosmos]

I was assuming we were talking about the current grid.

[void lintel]

Current grid can't get agg on DP at all

Only Bite

[daring cosmos]

I'm assuming most people's experiences with karen is the current karen in the game.

[void lintel]

Leth mentioned "so she can still be a flinchbot at 2/5" likely in response to the 2/5 post-upgrade node being DP Agg 2

Because they said it right after I posted a photo of the 2/5 grid

[worldly ivy]

I didn't know that giving a gold gift had a custom line and a little animation??????? time to spend my entire life savings on gold gifts ig

[void lintel]

I wonder if there even were give/receive item animations before now

I feel like if there were, they'd be used for Pokécenter daily gifts

I also don't remember Lillie doing the give item animation on the first few days of Lodge, before I reached Lv30 with her to unlock her advanced dialogue

[worldly ivy]

yeah it only unlocked with lvl 30

[maiden haven]

give item and hearts right

[void lintel]

Hearts? There weren't any in the animation

[maiden haven]

must be my imagination then...?

but i remember the animation was kinda long today

if not hearts some sparks or something similar

[void lintel]

There might be sparkles

[maiden haven]

Rosa got hyperactive after hitting level 30

[glad acorn]

Marnie's reaction to a tier 3

Yeah, the dialogues do change when your friendship advances

[worldly ivy]

top is what silver says when u give him a bronze or silver gift and bottom is what he says for the gold gift (condensed into one pic for minimal spam) and I LOVE THIS BOY...................................

[maiden haven]

he likes the slightly more expensive berries

[void lintel]

I mean, some of the more important berries are a right pain in the ass to grow

Unless they made it easier since Gen4...

[maiden haven]

i didnt notice there are any reactions to gifts

[glad acorn]

Call me silly, but if this is what took them 6 months to make, they did a good job

[autumn stone]

Imagine giving gold gift also buffs the greeting rate drop

[maiden haven]

They failed in one thing completely

[glad acorn]

Now if only they can do something about those 95%

[void lintel]

Cynthia's gold-gift-received dialogue changed too, once I exceeded Lv30

[worldly ivy]

some berries can help with EV training, right???? feel like the gold berry set probably has a ton of those

[void lintel]

Oh lmao those are ez af to grow

[maiden haven]

We can't prequeue the expedition thingy

[worldly ivy]

wait the gold-gift dialogue was different prior to lvl 30?????? I missed thattttt

[glad acorn]

Here's the thing. Silver doesn't own an orchard

[autumn stone]

The third interaction 💀

[worldly ivy]

HE'S SO CUTEEEEEEEE

[void lintel]

I don't remember her pre-30 gift dialogue and I can no longer check. But I remember the post-30 gift dialogue was something like "I was just thinking I needed these!"
After the receive item animation, both had the same ending. "You must have read my mind."

[maiden haven]

he still won't wave back

[glad acorn]

I heard Silver plushie got sold out fast 👀

[worldly ivy]

his acrylic stand was worse

[void lintel]

Cynthia has a different style of hair ornament with each costume... Maybe she collects them?

[worldly ivy]

I wonder if that's cause he's popular tho or just because he had the smallest stock,

[glad acorn]

Not sure if bought by scalpers because rare merchandises

[worldly ivy]

feel like scalpers would aim for cynthia stuff

[maiden haven]

Green when

[void lintel]

I know they're vaguely shaped like Lucario ears but I still don't know how her default ones work

[glad acorn]

Lots of fanarts with the plushie, for sure

[autumn stone]

[maiden haven]

why is he even there

[worldly ivy]

THE CUTEST

[void lintel]

Against his will, evidently

[worldly ivy]

Also on the topic of gift quotes, Silver's quote when giving u a gift after lvl 30

He's perfect...............

[worldly ivy]

he says he's there to get information from other trainers

[glad acorn]

Clearly he's there for a therapy. Needs to know why he's considered pure-hearted by ho-oh

[worldly ivy]

like essentially socializing to gather info rather than socializing to make friends

[autumn stone]

Imagine him saying this after leaving you at 95%

[glad acorn]

I guess he got pestered by people in Pasio just to see Ho-oh

[worldly ivy]

but then the MC forces their friendship on him anyways

[void lintel]

So it's less socializing and more like networking with a side of reconnaissance

[worldly ivy]

NETWORKING THAT'S THE WORD THANK U

[void lintel]

Oh gods, the Lodge is work to him

[maiden haven]

same

the explorations are stressful!

[worldly ivy]

BUT IT'S CUTEEEEEEEEEEE prior to level 10 when u talk to him he's like "tell me smth useful" then after lvl 10 he's like "tell me what u know, (player name)" as if he no longer cares if what u have to say is useful or not, then after lvl 30 he's like "I got some good info, wanna hear?" as if he doesn't even care if u have anything new to share with him or not, he just wants to talk to you

lodge has ruined my life (positive) I Cannot take this boy

[maiden haven]

im waiting for Red's extensive dialogues

[glad acorn]

Scottie "Think of it as team-building!"

[onyx quarry]

If they do a guzma grid boost, all i ask for is 1 more sync multiplier, and some kind of utility/reason to actually use first impression

Maybe it gives you super effective hit next after you use it to power up your own sync

[void lintel]

That sounds plausible actually.

First Impression, buff, buff, nuuuuke

[glad acorn]

So treat it like a gmax but more restricted

[void lintel]

Or alternatively attach -6Def debuff on First Impression

So he is his own debuffer

Hells, that'd make him interesting paired with Relentless units

[maiden haven]

spare him one or two of DGloria's passives

[glad acorn]

Funny how Pin Missiles cannot debuff multiple times

Guess it's only good to burst through Endure

[maiden haven]

it can, but only with the special passives

[void lintel]

If only!

[onyx quarry]

Idk if id prefer double down or haymaker for guzma

[void lintel]

Aaaand now I wanna see -6 Def First Impression and Relentless on Guzma's hypothetical grid expansion

[maiden haven]

double down to lock him to only on-type

[onyx quarry]

Assuming they added himnto lodge what would his 100 point partner be

Scizor?

[maiden haven]

i feel like Guzma has a fair chance

ingo and bongo too

but im not getting them, ever

[void lintel]

...Bongo? 🪘

[glad acorn]

Oingo and Boingo?

[void lintel]

Re: hypothetical Glacia grid expansion
Uh, Support grid shape makes that... complicated...

The least-bad way to do this is a 3-node vertical line bridging the upper-right and lower-right quadrants, but even then...

[onyx quarry]

They did this for ss blue already

[void lintel]

I keep forgetting about that. I'll check his.

[worldly ivy]

The interaction ended literally right as max vibes ended and....... Silver it's Over for you,

[void lintel]

Aaaand yup that's exactly how it happened for him

[maiden haven]

he didnt want the meme level

[void lintel]

Thank you

Well, I mean, you have to admit:

Silver is not a Nice person

[pale marsh]

Almost there

1 more

[rocky sparrow]

Really stupid question, could the interest rate currently be bugged for multiple interactions? That's the only time I've had it stop at 90% for me or even just below 90% I wonder if the way its coded since it's set to use 1 item per interaction is if it runs 6 interactions at once and averages/totals the loss and gain but if the average is an outlier huge loss of interest at like 94% or whatever and split between the interactions it changes a 6-10% loss into a 36-62% loss. A coding error?

[void lintel]

My dude you just happened to hit the 10% fail chance

It happens sometimes

Like Flamethrower burn

10% always feels like more than it is

Interaction-stacking just applies a simple multiplier at the end of the convo

[rocky sparrow]

I mean I've always gone down around 70% on single interactions is why I think it feels that way, I've only lost interest at 90% when I use all 6 interactions

[void lintel]

Otherwise our phones would start overheating calculating parallel universes

[glad acorn]

This is why I am against third topic vibe

[void lintel]

The plural of "anecodote" is not "evidence"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012298913279127582/1013951789499940967/Screenshot_20220829-192040.png

I tend to get good results on multi-interact, and I get bad ones at about the same rate as single-interacts do

And bad results are pretty common in general

[rocky sparrow]

[glad acorn]

Just ask the usual LG enthustiast, and ask them how often they get burned by the first flamethrower

The odd will surprise you

[void lintel]

"10% but it feels like 80%"

[rocky sparrow]

Running a simple rng generator in the background x6 Doesn't take much processing power. And yes, I do know, I've had it happen to me before but the chances always feel right. This feels skewed to me.

[void lintel]

Consider: Why would they do that when all they need is a x6 multiplier at the end

[glad acorn]

Of course, it's not beneath DeNA to add more hidden mechanics

[void lintel]

That's extra work and extra bug potential and extra crash potential

And extra billable hours

[maiden haven]

I got frozen like 10 times in a row by Uxie while trying to do my Silver clear

[void lintel]

And extra budget overrun

[rocky sparrow]

It's easy to add the x6 by itself but you also use x6 items and x6 gifts right?

[void lintel]

Yes

6x cost for 6x yield

It's equivalent to doing one convo 6 times with the exact same RNG roll

[maiden haven]

^

[glad acorn]

I call and raise you one. My tank thaws out only to get frozen again

[void lintel]

So there's no need to do 6 rolls

Just do 1 roll and multiply the result

You got multiple bad results
That happens

This is a gacha game, you should even be accustomed to that

[rocky sparrow]

I'm normally pretty lucky in gacha games.

[void lintel]

Everyone's luck runs out eventually.

Also it's only been one week

[glad acorn]

I got lucky with the johto three. Unfortunately would have to spark for maxie and archie

That's just luck

[void lintel]

Bad streaks are a fact of actual randomness

Some games even have streakbreaker mechanics just to make real randomness feel more random

Like XCom guaranteeing a hit after enough consecutive misses

[maiden haven]

I learned cryptography at school, there are actual "bad luck" players just because of how the pseudo-randomness is evaluated

and then many don't even understand the principless of the generators, just use one of the available ones without understanding it

[void lintel]

Under normal conditions, pseudorandom is close enough to real random anyway

It just feels not random when a die falls on 1 seven times in a row

But, well, that can happen.

It feels unrealistic when it does, but it does have to happen to someone

It just happened to you.

[maiden haven]

yes, but it's "close enough over 1 milion samples", but you should also check for cycles etc

the distribution of failure and success etc

[void lintel]

Tetris included "this block shape spawned X times during your game" statistics after each game just to prove the distribution wasn't rigged

[rocky sparrow]

I get in trouble talking about luck. I also took statistics classes in college. I've played jrpgs and mmos with items that have .001% drop chance and have gotten extremely lucky in some areas in others not so much. I get RNG, but it always feels consistent, there is always a middle ground. I've hit literal extremes every interaction, from a x6 worth like 60ish points and ones up to 200ish points. I've gotten one middle ground at 141 points and that was last night.

[glad acorn]

Imagine if PoMa didn't have pity. The #salt-channel would be brimming

[void lintel]

And I'm telling you most of us are getting middle ground with x6

[maiden haven]

i wouldn't play if there was no pity

[void lintel]

You got unlucky. Someone had to. It was you.

[maiden haven]

simple as

look for "gbf monkeygate incident"

[glad acorn]

Statistically, I'm not gonna do 6x. It doesn't even give me an incentive for it outside of "huge number (if successful)"

[maiden haven]

i will only do individual with gold gifts to see the reaction a few times

[ripe crown]

For Cynthia to be available in the Lodge, do you have to have base Cynthia? Or does having any version of Cynthia suffice?

[maiden haven]

base

[ripe crown]

Thank you.

[void lintel]

It is effectively the same as doing individual ones, it just saves time.

If you don't wanna do it, sure

I'm gonna do it tho

[rocky sparrow]

Okay then I'm just hitting outliers consistently, for a straight week. That doesn't seem strange at all.

[glad acorn]

It's just like multi in banner. If it didn't offer an additional pull for 11x, I don't think most would do it

That only started at 1.0 anniversary

[onyx quarry]

You should savescum/reset for hot topics

If you dont hit hot topic in 3 conversations, reset your game and itll let you try again

[void lintel]

Someone had to. It was you.

It's a classic Spiders Georg moment

[glad acorn]

Just like someone who pulled the spotlight three times in a single multi

[rocky sparrow]

I did that last night kinda, just instead of Cynthia garchomp it was marnie and the wierd rat

[marble hemlock]

here's the estimated probabilities to end on a specific round. your experience is probably not that huge a statistical outlier. median ending is around 70% attention (or 78% after gift)
EDIT: forgot link to table
#1012298913279127582 message

[rocky sparrow]

Sorry I'm on meds for nerve pain and it screws with my nerves

I've had 3 nights end right after vibes just before I could give a gift. Been sitting on a silver stack

[marble hemlock]

at 95% or 85%?

[void lintel]

At the rate I'm accumulating tier3 yellow and blue stones, it might be funny to try 6x interacting May with 6x gold presents at Lv1 just to see where it ends up

[jovial moon]

Qn What's your strat for your interactions? 1 unit to 100? Or multiples at 30

And if you are aiming for 100 with 1, who are u gg for

I'm aiming for cyn

[void lintel]

Get one to 30, barely matters whom
Then get one to 100 (ideally the same one, but doesn't have to be)

First to 30 to unlock the best daily gift pool

[jovial moon]

Yeah

[void lintel]

Then raise them each to 100 for bonus sync pairs

[rocky sparrow]

88% one at 90% and another ended literally after 3 questions first was max vibe hit I think I was at like 96%

[jovial moon]

Btw does your highest level always great you? I rmbr u being abt to try the experiment

[rocky sparrow]

I want to do this too, I can almost buy 6 for sycamore

[jovial moon]

I kicked everyone out except cyn

[void lintel]

It doesn't! One day, Cynthia was 30+ so I allowed her to be my last interaction that day. Lillie was, of course, 40+.
Cynthia was the one who greeted me the next day

The Chat button does not do it

[jovial moon]

Oh

[void lintel]

Only an Interaction does, as that's what changes who stands next to the Expedition console

[jovial moon]

So we need to kick them out I guess?

[void lintel]

Or just interact with someone else after

But kicking might work too

[jovial moon]

I like my 6 interactions tho

It spends less time

[rocky sparrow]

Does everyone at 30 give you a gift?

[void lintel]

It's how I plan to still get a Lv30 present after 6x-interacting May with 6x gold presents from Lv1

[jovial moon]

[void lintel]

Every day you get one (1) gift from whomever stands next to the Expedition console
This is whomever you used an Interaction on last

[jovial moon]

I'll ask again after uve done it

I'm still far from 100 with cyn anyway

[void lintel]

If this person is Lv30+, the pool of possible gifts is the best possible

So ideally you try to give your last interaction each day to someone at Lv30+

So that your next day will have the best gift pool

I'd been doing 5x Cynthia 1x Lillie for a few days until Cynthia reached Lv30

Now I'm just 6x Cynthia-ing

[rocky sparrow]

Ok

[void lintel]

(Though not necessarily bundling them all together if I have a gold gift to give separately)

[glad acorn]

You also get special gifting animation at level 30

[hard badger]

I would use gold on the silver chest unlocks. It doesn't seem like much now but 2 months from now having the extra levels will be more worthwhile than finishing one of the units a little faster

Of course if you really like spending time with N and feel like you just have to give him the best present you can I understand that

[glad acorn]

Tier 2 is at least feasible especially if you set up 10-10 focusing on one color

[hard badger]

Even with 2 lvl 10 type and 2 lvl 10 chests it's still too close for my liking but for red at least it's fine

[glad acorn]

Well, you need to take into account of interactions that end before present

[random portal]

i found Deerling vibing. now you all have too.

[onyx quarry]

Thats summer deerling right? Its gonna change forms during the season i bet

I just realized that

[random portal]

it do be summer

[lusty hazel]

I think I now understand friendship level cap

Is pointless as the maximum rewards only goes up to 100

Maybe after 100 you only get those Lodge Stone to exchange it for certificates

[autumn stone]

[void lintel]

All four seasonal forms were in the datamine, yeah. Here's autumn, we can expect to see it in a few weeks

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/604025184692731904/1012241513159327764/pm0585_13_shikijika_256.ktx.png

[worldly ivy]

so excited for spring for pink deerling

[void lintel]

Technically it's more correct that way...

[worldly ivy]

it's either OK or okay

[void lintel]

And "OK" was its original form; "okay" was adopted to make it look more like a word later on

I'm used to using the latter, but... I've been trying to accept the former as correct, since, well, it is.

[dense saddle]

How are some ppl managing to reach 0% attention on trainer lounge

[onyx quarry]

Same way people get master fair units on their first single pull

Its just luck

[wind badger]

It’s all skill /s

[thorny beacon]

love your icon btw, i am a Silver Gets Chikorita Because It's Funny truther (and i choose totodile when i play the johto games)

[void lintel]

All three Johto starters have friendly-looking faces that contrast Silver's resting murderface, now that I think of it

But yeah, Meganium's definitely the most friendly-looking

For maximum funni

[north moat]

Feraligatr is the big friend

[slim cape]

meganium best starter

flower dinosaur

surreal

[severe river]

Masked Royal has +3 Cache Right? What does he lower

Nvm found it

[sudden forum]

Blue of course.

[severe river]

He lowers red too

[sudden forum]

Was there a 10 blue 10 chest for Team A without needing cheer?

[severe river]

Kinda sad, those are the two I’m focusing on

||Or it would be sad if I had him ||

[void lintel]

All +3 cache characters lower two colors
It's the two colors that don't match their combat class role

MR is a Tech, so it's Yellow that isn't lowered

Renegade Cynthia is also a Tech, so her stat spread is identical to his

SSGio and SSLusamine are Strikers, so it's Red that isn't lowered

None of the +3 Caches are Supports, so... building 10 Blue + 10 Cache is painful.

Speaking of Caches, I had to wonder

Pasio's an artificial island. Every inch was shaped by human (and Pokémon) hands.
Those rare caches were put there by Lear's employees...

Like, you could try arguing that the mysterious natural energy source underneath Pasio is what causes the three colored crystals to form, much like the sync stones

But those chests are... well, definitely manmade

So you could send Lear and his two attendants out on an expedition and it'd be... Lear finding treasure while Sawyer and Rachel have to pretend to be surprised

[alpine flare]

lear makes rachel and sawyer hide them across the island so trainers can bond with scavenger hunts

[void lintel]

[void lintel]

Yeah, basically! I'm just having funny mental images on what happens if you send them to find it

[alpine flare]

has lead to great moments such as silver and giovanni reconciling

[alpine flare]

can't wait to do that when i pull those two

[sudden forum]

Oh I've just been imagining it as an interment camp for all the people Lear has captured on his island

[glad acorn]

Too bad those two have no region, so cannot put into teams

[void lintel]

Can't put into teams with +6 members in them, anyway

[void lintel]

Nea--

...Trainer face icon too?

Maybe that goes in the upper right

[void lintel]

Looks like you've posted the four search type icons and the little mini boost icons that can be overlaid along the top, with one surprising extra

[sudden forum]

if you want to enhance your docs n'such

[void lintel]

Wonder whether the trainer-face buff icon is a scrapped feature or an upcoming one...

[sudden forum]

Its in the discovery ux overlay assets

Oh you're right, potion is on the left, and cheer is in the middle

[void lintel]

Yeah, I noticed a curious vacancy on the upper right the other day

And the trainerface buff here answers part of that question

At first I thought the buffs were just left-aligned but I ended up catching the expeditions at a time when the cheer was on but the potions were not

And yeah, the cheer was still centered

[sudden forum]

I added an Expedition Skill column to the doc. If you extend the filter to that column, it'd be easier to search for certain combinations

[distant ember]

lazy x6. decent

100 tomorrow

unless bad luck

[visual remnant]

Noice

[distant ember]

have 7 certificates now (after putting 10 on archie already) i think im gonna hold on to 10 once i hit it to save to use on a favorite all at once when they get added (hisuingo)

(or matt)

[obsidian lotus]

My first convo longer than 5 interactions, and got SST Red maxed as my first level 150

[distant ember]

my condolences

🫡

[idle star]

Got lucky with convos today

[rocky sparrow]

Least I didn't waste my x6 silver gifts

[obsidian lotus]

19% Attention

[last trellis]

do people have lodge units yet?

i can't get this lucky to save my life

[past dune]

Probably 2 days or maybe tomorrow If they been dedicated to one character

[obsidian lotus]

You'd have to have been incredibly lucky for like 4 days minimum out of the week we've had it for

[sharp bramble]

Hmm

2-3 days more and Cynthia is done, if I have good luck anyway

I need lodge stones to get more copies of the unit right?

[past dune]

Ye

[sharp bramble]

Is it better to use lodge stones or candies

[past dune]

Something like 500 or 600 per copy

[sharp bramble]

… actually I’m out of support candies so the choice is out of my hands LMAO

[past dune]

Support= lodgestones

[sharp bramble]

They Start as 4 stars?

[obsidian lotus]

Yes

So 4 star candies work on them

Jeez, DeNa really is stingy with 4 star Support candies. I haven't used any 4 star candies in months, and even then I don't think I used more on Support than the others. Yet I have 42 Strike, 20 Tech, and 8 Support

[plain nova]

Not too bad

[sharp bramble]

Gotta tell ya though

[last trellis]

not me wasting 4 star candies on all my 4 start units 💀

[sharp bramble]

6 interactions at once is so nerve racking

[last trellis]

i don't have the patience to do them all individually tho

[sharp bramble]

Yeah I did it that way today because busy

[last trellis]

and if i get lucky on the first one, I'm gonna be a little annoyed

[sharp bramble]

I’d rather do it one by one

[obsidian lotus]

I've done 6 at once since the second day, although I did manage to get the extra 3 on day 1 but had already used the first 3

I figure if I get super unlucky now, which I have most of the days, I'll at least get decent luck at some point down the line

And I'd rather just do it once per day

[sharp bramble]

Honestly though it all averages the same in the end lol

[obsidian lotus]

Yep, it'll just take longer to average out for some than others

[last trellis]

yeah but whoever's first gets to flex the hardest

[obsidian lotus]

But I don't desperately need any of the lodge pairs, even though I do want them all eventually, and hey, already got my SST Red to 150 so I'm pretty content taking it as it comes

[graceful granite]

Used the gold item for the first time

[obsidian lotus]

Damn, fantastic place to use it lol

Gz

If only that had been a 6x

Imagine

2112 points

[granite sand]

waittt how do i get this?

[tepid stone]

Just 12 more levels to go on N 😄

think I should start alternating with a second character to make sure I always have a lv 30+ character to interact with last for the best gifts

[plain nova]

you can kick them all out before reset and keep the 1 with highest lv

[tepid stone]

oh that's hilarious

[carmine pilot]

Nice timing! That did a lot
I usially get scammed with tier3 items lol
Sticking with t2 safety

[analog furnace]

Bro same

[carmine pilot]

That hurts

[icy wagon]

I guess this makes up for my awful yesterday

[analog furnace]

I thought lv100 would be doable tomorrow, but I had too many bad runs today

[analog furnace]

Niceeee dude

[icy wagon]

Ty ty

[carmine pilot]

It's always fun until your X6 run ends at 95% rifght after max vibe

[icy wagon]

Yeah, that's what happened yesterday

😂

[winter galleon]

🤝

[carmine pilot]

That's why i think 2nd round is better for Max vibe, today i got Max vibe at 95% did 2 Max vibe picks and got dropped
Lol

[winter galleon]

Most only reached like 100 today

[winter galleon]

Yeah I do this I mostly get above 100 with that

[icy wagon]

Tbh if I am using items I try to make max vibes late so I can just gift right after it's over

[tepid stone]

I mean that way you can instead do 2 rounds of max vibes and then do one other pick and get dropped

which I think is worse for points overall

[carmine pilot]

Teah but consider you get another roll right after max vibe ends, that happened me today

[analog furnace]

My only thing about trying to go all in on maximising runs is that you end up getting shafted more often on other runs

I started gifting slightly earlier now and wish I did that before, ‘cause it’s better than trying to maximise attention reduction so far

[weak crag]

wait i just had hugh do super exciting on rosa???

[tepid stone]

Unless you're gonna give gifts while at 100%, there's just no avoiding the small chance of dropping before you get to give a gift

[carmine pilot]

I think it's bcs you reset so many times at 95 - 91 to get the perfect start, but you're just rolling the dice and waiting for a 95% shaft

[analog furnace]

It’s just about minimising it

[weak crag]

isn't he normally just excitement building?

[knotty nymph]

my current progress on N

[analog furnace]

Hugh?

[weak crag]

yeah

[carmine pilot]

Noice!

[analog furnace]

Do you mean uhhh

[rocky sparrow]

I still think a x6 interest rate drop squeaks by somehow

[weak crag]

nope pretty sure i picked hugh and got super exciting

[analog furnace]

Oh Rosa getting Super Exciting on Hugh

You said other way around and said he

Had me tripping

[weak crag]

the topic on him i meant

[knotty nymph]

will get sigilyph in 2 or 3 days

Can't wait to test him out vs Azelf

[analog furnace]

Then Either misread or some other mechanic we’re totally unaware of

Or misclick

[weak crag]

nope

not misclick

hot topic was places and the other 2 choices were aspertia and viridian

[analog furnace]

Then I think people would prob know if there was a mechanic to boost value of topics under normal circumstances but idk

Maybe there’s a hidden mechanic, I doubt it though

[weak crag]

hugh got super exciting again

[analog furnace]

Maybe update changed it actually

[carmine pilot]

My Cynthia keep having hot topic with Items
Just stop
Only Old Gateaux is super interesting

[analog furnace]

But what update

I dunno

[weak crag]

burgh is still excitement building

maybe they updated it

[analog furnace]

Maybe that thing had the wrong info

[visual remnant]

Hugh is listed as 10pts on Serebii

[analog furnace]

We would’ve had to have known about a lodge update

Ye so it just had the wrong info

That makes sense

[weak crag]

ah

[visual remnant]

The infographic is likely a typo

[analog furnace]

At least it got figured out, I never interact with Rosa so had no idea whether it was 7pt in the past

[visual remnant]

Only got 7 levels todays

[grim spade]

Hope i get lucky in these runs for gastrodon

[visual remnant]

Damn 3rd topic drops

Ugh so lazy to reset but it feels mandatory to avoid this kind of crap

[weak crag]

holy what

[analog furnace]

9 levels today

[analog furnace]

Been getting a lot of us today

[visual remnant]

today
Implying it doesn't happen every day

[marble hemlock]

send in-game feedback asking them to adjust it
#1012298913279127582 message

[analog furnace]

But more of us from the tiny bit I’ve seen, was the impression I got

[visual remnant]

Yeah I should do that huh

Conceptually Lodge is fun

But the execution makes you feel like crap

[carmine pilot]

Yeah the fact that is unbalanced and grindable just remove all the fun

I tried a x3 right now, perfect start, 90% dropped
Wow

3 90% and one 95 % today

Not even close to a balanced 50%

[marble hemlock]

it does, too many feel-bad moments. the biggest pain point for Lodge is the characters leaving early due to bad RNG. makes you feel like your favs don't like talking with you

[royal valley]

Is it worth buying interaction counts?

[winter galleon]

Same I tried going for multiple interactions at one go and all I got was 104 points, even if the pattern was executed well

[carmine pilot]

Yes, do it everyday

[royal valley]

Got it, thanks!

[winter galleon]

Needless to say I'm not gonna try those x6 stuff even if I get insanely lucky cuz the chances of being dropped at 90% is unusually high

[weak crag]

deadass just had this happen on 3rd

[rocky sparrow]

I said this earlier and got hollered at lol. I think its accidentally letting a x6 interest drop squeak through the code somehow

[orchid kelp]

What do you guys think, is the (boost) juice worth the squeeze?

[rocky sparrow]

I think all items are tbh

[pastel sundial]

Got really lucky today

[winter galleon]

No cuz I'm always running out of silver Fiery

[noble locust]

Had some decent ones today

Cynthia lv 80 now - should be done in 2 more days if lucky to get that 100

[marble hemlock]

376
Is that the highest recorded points so far?

[visual remnant]

That's more than decent lmao

Congrats

[manic quarry]

Cant believe i they leave at 99% atention and 94%

[marble hemlock]

send in-game feedback asking them to change it

[manic quarry]

Switch the rate from the gacha with this one

[jovial moon]

I caught up thanks to gold gifts ._.

[formal hornet]

19 in one day

[jovial moon]

She left at 90 and 80 before I gave gifts the past 2 days

[formal hornet]

With some luck I'll have it tomorrow

[jovial moon]

Ohwow u are gona have exeggutor alr

I hope u get it soon too

Are u planning to take pep rally in his grid

[formal hornet]

Maybe

Might go synchro healing for legendary gauntlet

[jovial moon]

How do u plan to use it for LG

[formal hornet]

But pep rally if I have a strong syncer

[jovial moon]

Ah

[formal hornet]

Support with 60% flinch is always nice

[glad acorn]

[jovial moon]

Grats!

[placid totem]

what are the recommended priority in the shop after expedition slot?

[jovial moon]

250 is the best I've gone too, but I used 3 silver gifts for it

[jovial moon]

The only thing left are gifts

[formal hornet]

The interaction items, and the gifts for whoever you're levelling

[jovial moon]

To get lodge pokemon

But u can get the cert etc

But I'd hold off that for now

[placid totem]

so i just focus now on levelling the friendship of pair I want?

[formal hornet]

Yep

[placid totem]

thanks!

[modest delta]

13 levels today

Hopefully done Rosa by Tuesday

Maybe I’ll do may next

[lost pumice]

Thx Cynthia

[urban flicker]

I keep getting useless items from the gift

[lost pumice]

Lmao

[urban flicker]

and my Rosa is 71

[lost pumice]

Rngsus blessing me at wrong places

[orchid glade]

Might be done on Monday as I am on 78

[lost pumice]

Aye Im also 78lvl

On Cynthia

[orchid glade]

Nice 👍

[glad acorn]

Oh yeah. Imma on fire

[modest delta]

i think ill have a day of gold gifts

before tuesday

[lost pumice]

Could have been higher but couldn't give gift in 2 interaction

[modest delta]

so probably can hit 100

[orchid glade]

My interactions are improving the more I do it so next character will be a lot faster

[lost pumice]

10lvl per day is good right?

[visual remnant]

It's about the expected average yeah

[urban flicker]

71 to 81, not bad

[jovial moon]

wow thats really good, your other one had 250 too right

[urban flicker]

in 2 days I'll probably have Rosa at 100

[jovial moon]

my last 2 days got me 6 and 8 levels tho

coz i missed giving my gift before they left

[lost pumice]

Me with Cynthia

[urban flicker]

also, we get 100 gems in the general mission if they reach a certain friendship level

not bad

[orchid glade]

I would say its very good

[urban flicker]

I'll probably go for Silver Next

cause I have 2 teams on 10 Red and Chest, so I am overflowing with Red crystal

[orchid glade]

annoying when three hot topic choices does nothing

another reset

[urban flicker]

anyway, this trainer lodge is starting to feel like more like a chore

[orchid glade]

yep I agree

[urban flicker]

and it's bullshit that we have to reset for optimal run and RNG as well

at least the rewards are worth it

but still, it doesn't justify it

[orchid glade]

imo hot topic should be guaranteed not like a chance

[urban flicker]

or at least make it so that the higher the friendship level of your trainer

[orchid glade]

yep

[urban flicker]

the higher you will trigger max vibes and less chance to leave

[orchid glade]

Yes I would like that too

[urban flicker]

I would say Friendship Lv70 or 80 is pretty high

so why sometimes they leave at like 90%

or 80%

bruh

[orchid glade]

ye it should reduce the chance to flee

like would your own friends run

[marble hemlock]

send in-game feedback

[urban flicker]

hopefully this is just a test to see the players response on this mode

[glad acorn]

70% is pretty high and i always get greedy

[orchid glade]

majority of my accounts should be done on Tuesday

[marble hemlock]

did you happen to record the topic choices for those two 14-topic runs?

[orchid glade]

Its random and you only get a topic once in a interaction

[nocturne aurora]

quick question, on your pinned guide, do you ALWAYS try to get the max vibe at 2nd topic or 3rd topic sometimes is fine? Is there a detriment to trying the 3rd topic for max vibe?

[orchid glade]

vibe should be on turn one or two at most

[lost pumice]

Now if only it gave gems

[orchid glade]

three is pushing it but can be alright

[formal hornet]

I think 3rd vibe is best, but there is a 4-5% chance of them leaving straight after

[urban flicker]

it's risky to try and get max vibes on 3rd topic cause attention starts to drop

unless you use boost juice

[orchid glade]

yes which has happened to me

so I avoid it mostly

[glad acorn]

Unfortunately no

[formal hornet]

Well I see it as unless you're going to gift at 100% I'd rather get vibes third

[nocturne aurora]

[formal hornet]

Since you get a couple extra points for later vibes

[glad acorn]

Starting on 3rd topic is the first attention drop. It can break the interaction from there alone

So I won't recommend it

[nocturne aurora]

it admit it did happen before

scary

[undone raptor]

How do I get high lvl loot and soothing? (don’t have Lucas or Cynthia)

[nocturne aurora]

ok i had to legitimately reset, i forgot to buy presents

[marble hemlock]

Team A - 1/10/1/10
SS Leaf + SS Misty + SS Erika + James + Lorelei + Masked Royal + omni

[visual remnant]

it begins

[glad acorn]

One of us, one of us

[orchid glade]

Took a risk and used gold gift on 65%, but paid off

[nocturne aurora]

damn i wonder how big that would've been on 6x

[orchid glade]

x6

[urban flicker]

I'll probably try it once I start on Silver

[urban flicker]

I have enough Red crystal to buy 6 gold gift

[orchid glade]

so over 1800

[urban flicker]

next character will definitely be faster cause now we know what to do

[orchid glade]

I was just lucky could have gone bad

I am always nervous when using gold gifts

[visual remnant]

I've started using silver gifts at 85%

[orchid glade]

no fashion choices from first three

must be rare with a ring

[nocturne aurora]

Lillie hates everything

Fashion? Sorry i'm not fashionable
Pokémon? Get those things away from me
Items? (none)

[orchid glade]

what another bad round and reset

[nocturne aurora]

getting the hot topic on first topic tho 😩

[orchid glade]

sometimes have to take it if its 10 points

finally a good start

[nocturne aurora]

welp that was a shit interaction

gift into three 5 pointers into "i'm leaving" on 8th topic

[orchid glade]

mine was amazing

was worth the resets

back to bad ones again lol

thanks to resetting or I would be annoyed

hmm nothing is happening just stopped?

do I have to restart or?

had to lose my interaction

[glad acorn]

It just froze like that?

[orchid glade]

yes just playing the music and animation

just didn't change

my last account had worst luck could only use one gift

[lusty hill]

This went well

[orchid glade]

wow you quite behind

nice one

[last trellis]

seems like no one can be bothered to do them individually 💀

I'd def take x6 181pts tho

[lusty hill]

Yea exactly

[orchid glade]

I always do them individually since start

[lusty hill]

Less time in Gachas the better

[orchid glade]

doing them individually gets you further meaning you finish everything quicker in the end

[lusty hill]

That seems too rng heavy😅

If the hot topic doesn't trigger each time then you got to reset each time

[orchid glade]

I don't have to reset too much if using items, you got three tries

otherwise just get juices

[lusty hill]

Still 11 levels doesn't seem bad, keep that same ish and she be 100 in a week

[orchid glade]

good luck hope you don't get a low run

[lusty hill]

So do I😅

[orchid glade]

my low runs happen too often on my first interactions

[lusty hill]

You need to get 2 of their fave topics to trigger the hot topic bonus right?

[orchid glade]

no one if lucky

[lusty hill]

Ehh and then repeat 6 times

[orchid glade]

unfortunately it has rng unless using the juice

are you using items?