Trainer Lodge

[distant ember]

hurts

[lethal marsh]

how did you not get max vibes

you need to get the ring

[urban flicker]

or reset

[rocky peak]

Holy moly daily gifts from lodge can give this

[lethal marsh]

ayo

[urban flicker]

I got a useless rare estract instead

[lethal marsh]

I got 3 omnis

[distant ember]

that's what hurts

i swear it's always either max vibes first try or 4-5 hot topics with no max vibes at all

[lethal marsh]

i usually get max vibes on turn 2 or 3

[distant ember]

i'm on another interaction with nothing so far after 3 hot topics now lol

[lethal marsh]

im pretty sure its 1 for max vibes if its a super exciting hot topic

[distant ember]

nah

i wish

[lethal marsh]

thats how it is for me 👀

[distant ember]

that's how your luck has been haha

i've had many situations where that hasnt happened

[lethal marsh]

or its maybe cause i use items

[distant ember]

well that's what the juice does yes

[alpine flare]

Alright I really gotta start doing the resetting when I don’t get max vibes. Turn 2

Two days now with just 50 points or so

Thinking nah it’ll come later

[urban flicker]

when the interaction system is pure RNG, then we have to sort to this methods unfortunately

to get optimal runs

[glad acorn]

Meanwhile

[lethal marsh]

feel ring is goog

[distant ember]

damn i wish

[alpine flare]

It’s funny cuz I be resetting if no 10pt topics but no max vibes I’m like ok

[next junco]

Ok im fine

[urban flicker]

I am doing now my daily 6 interaction

[glad acorn]

Tony the tiger approves

[urban flicker]

I skipped the boost Juice and I'll try to trigger max vibes on turn 2

[next junco]

[urban flicker]

I got also 6 silver presents

[lethal marsh]

I have not gotten a bad run at all I guess my game doesnt have rng

[lethal marsh]

Gg

[noble locust]

Got to lv 68 friendship today despite several interactions ending early - slowly will get to 100 for that gastrodon

[lethal marsh]

Is the 10 levels even worth the grind anyways

[next junco]

3 in a round end on 80%

[distant ember]

decided to try resetting now three times in a row a 10pt hot topic has not triggered maxvibes

[next junco]

Lose 2 gold gift

[distant ember]

love it

rng has been good before today so guess this is the punishment

[noble locust]

I think so - you can spend all 6 interactions at once if you want to not waste as much time on this part of the game

[lethal marsh]

Thats what I do

Makes it easy and simple

[noble locust]

Leaving the lodge on lv 10 rare chest should provide a good amount of reward so should be fine

[lethal marsh]

I have 1 lvl10 chest team and I get even more then enough gems for my 6 interactions with max items

[noble locust]

Gastrodon has group water dmg guard so he seems worth to get at lv 100

[distant ember]

final total today

wheee

[lethal marsh]

Oof

[distant ember]

only 25 levels until i get a unit i will never use

[alpine flare]

Sad bulba noises

[lethal marsh]

Bulba moment

Does it even evolve?

[distant ember]

nah none of the lodge units do

i would use it if it was a support

[next junco]

hmmmm twice a day

[distant ember]

ow..

[next junco]

RNG god is not love me

[lethal marsh]

Yikes, and wait it's not a support??? 💀

[distant ember]

yeah mine sucked today too but not this bad

bulba is a striker somehow

[lethal marsh]

Bruh what 💀

[next junco]

and i watse 2 gold gift to topic end at 90% too

[urban flicker]

I am resetting so many times

[abstract marlin]

7 lvls at once :)

she ended the conversation at 86 tho

[autumn stone]

I started doin this in day 2 iirc coz it's not worth the risk

[marble hemlock]

I tried a few interactions without Feel Ring (but using Boost Juice instead), and there's a good argument for not using Feel Ring, since the halved attention loss is usually wasted on rounds 1, 2, 4, and 5.
but you do have to reset a lot more often for hot topic on round 3 (or round 2)

[urban flicker]

I finished my run now, and I had to reset a lot of times

but this time I skipped the juice and used 6 silver gift instead

[autumn stone]

stats?

[jade trout]

Only 67 - 75 today

[autumn stone]

13 I'll take it

[sacred prawn]

This is epic.

[visual remnant]

Man Blue is super uncooperative today

[sacred prawn]

Yeah I've had the same issue today. 51 to 60.

[visual remnant]

Dropped on 3rd/4th topic 4/6 times

Only 2 decent runs

Anyways, I was thinking

[jade trout]

Dropped above 70% whenever trying to use a gold gift

[sacred prawn]

Yeah that always happens to me. It's kind of frustrating haha.

[visual remnant]

Since topics can only appear once, if you get 3 10pt/Hot topics early on, it might be worth considering resetting

[urban flicker]

use gift when they are at 90% if you have bronze gift

[visual remnant]

Since they're burned otherwise

[urban flicker]

or 85% if silver

[sacred prawn]

That's what I do but I do try to drop to near 70% to use the Awesome gifts.

[urban flicker]

that's a bit risky

I honestly don't care If I wasted a bit of my resources for the gift

even if I use it early on

[visual remnant]

For gold gifts I'm a little stingy still

Since I can't buy 6x a day

[sacred prawn]

Ye. I can usually only buy one a day.

[lost pumice]

Gastrodon soon

Hopefully in 3 days

[glad acorn]

So I did too run. Another moment of clarity

[lost pumice]

Cynthia left at 97% today right after max vibe

[glad acorn]

When you noticed you have to suffer rng from attention drop on top of that

[lost pumice]

Im already suffering from rng on SSCA banner

Now lodge too

[sacred prawn]

Same.

[glad acorn]

5th topic with the same answer. One drops 8 and the other drops 10

DeNA "You want consistency? We don't do that here"

[lost pumice]

What

Lol

[glad acorn]

See my image above

Not the cat

[autumn stone]

f

[glad acorn]

While this might be true, one run without Ring I did suffer not finding any hot topic mid interaction, so maybe having them around early on is still good for the reduction

[marble hemlock]

assuming the topics are uniformly random and unweighted, it should be 3? in 7 chance to get a hot topic per round. wonder how the math works out for best average expected outcome

[fiery bolt]

Conversation with Marnie ending at 92%, that's why I go one by one

[glad acorn]

I guess that explains the 12-13-12 from earlier run. The attention drop probably picks a range depending the number of topics done

[glad acorn]

Either have them all early on or might get them all throughout the interaction. It's all a gambit

[marble hemlock]

that would be interesting. some type of hidden fatigue modifier from hearing the same topic repeated

[glad acorn]

Still rng in attention drops. Yeowch

[marble hemlock]

or maybe more attention loss from switching topics too often. or might just be pure rng like you said

[glad acorn]

Both runs did switch from fashion/friend to hobbies though. Then to friends with Piers and Gloria

[autumn stone]

yes sir

[fiery bolt]

At least one good run today (and I got the hot topic right at the start)

[quiet vortex]

Good morning gamers

[fiery bolt]

Marnie Chad 🤝

[autumn stone]

Mornin, I almost drop the 1k cynthia gave me earlier.

[alpine flare]

How does she physically hand you 1000 orbs

Is it in a bag or something

Or does she just drop all of them into your palms

[marble hemlock]

hm both runs have Music picked for round 5, with no previous hobbies picked before that. but first run dropped 10 attention and other run only dropped 8.
probably rules out a lot of potential theories

[orchid glade]

On 66, except ,303 the rest were terrible

In this case if I went all interactions I would have been better off

[autumn stone]

how much you gettin doin 6x singles per day?

[hard badger]

Doing it 1 by 1 minimizes risk but caps ceiling

[orchid glade]

Yes if I count all the days if I went with x6 I would have been more of a loss than individually

[orchid glade]

its random so can't say

sometimes like 10-12 levels then like 8

[quiet vortex]

I do it one by one
Because if I did a X6 and Marnie left me at 80% like she always does I think I'd uninstall

[hard badger]

With glasses shovel and boost juice you should be able to get an avg of 9 lvls and finish a character in around 12 days at most 2 weeks

[quiet vortex]

I'm halfway there now, at 50

So another week or two to finish?

[hard badger]

A week should be enough

[quiet vortex]

Then I should def hold onto those 4* power ups I have so I can get her to 5* instantly lol
I'm tempted to turn them into 5* power ups

[long nymph]

managed to reach 64 today from 53, and also completed my first 150 unit

[sonic stream]

I got cheated again in TL today

[orchid glade]

same that's why I take the extra time

[sonic stream]

At least even when I get multiple shafts out of 6 interactions I'm still getting 6+ levels

[quiet vortex]

Nice!!!

I went from 45 or 46 ish I think to 53

Definitely going fast even if I wish I could get the interactions to go a little longer

[marble hemlock]

some estimated numbers for trainer chance to stay until after round X:

stay after round 5: 90% | 85 pts
stay after round 6: 72% | 100 pts
item
stay after round 7: 65% | 116x1.3 = 150 pts
stay after round 8: 51% | 133x1.3 = 172 pts
stay after round 9: 35% | 151x1.3 = 196 pts
stay after round 10: 20% | 170x1.3 = 221 pts
stay after round 11: 9% | 190x1.3 = 247 pts
stay after round 12: 3% | 211x1.3 = 274 pts
stay after round 13: 0.3% | 233x1.3 = 302 pts
stay after round 14: 0%? | 256x1.3 = 332 pts

for simplicity, this is completely ignoring the halved attention loss from hot topics (so actual stay rate will be slightly higher) and assuming you always get 10 point choices (so actual points will be slightly lower)

any stats person know how to find the expected value for this?

[orchid glade]

I am skipping juices and still getting vibes easily so will probably not buy them again

[quiet vortex]

So close

[long nymph]

nice, i already working on my second pair

[winter galleon]

Do y'all only take the certificates from pairs or you buy it with Lodge Stones?

[long nymph]

i do both

[orchid glade]

Have not bought or used any yet

[winter galleon]

I already know where to use ones I get from pairs but not very certain with using lodge stones for that

[long nymph]

like can just use candies right to get move levels on lodge pair

other uses of lodge stones?

[winter galleon]

I could probably just candy but 4* candies other than Strikers come in slow

[long nymph]

not like can lvl100 every pairs in one month anyway, so i just gonna take it slow

[orchid glade]

nice with 1.3x bonus needed it to catch my other accounts

[vernal shadow]

May's now level 11

I have 2 more interactions

Everyone else I have is level 5

Tell me what to do next

[carmine lake]

I now a surplus on the rare stones used to exchange for extra interactions. But i’m finding myself struggling to buy the gifts (for Rosa). Should i prioritize 10s on blue rewards for both parties, sacrificing my rare cache (will become 8 or 9 as result)?

[long nymph]

i do alternate farming like i did two teams with lvl 10 chest first, when im run out of blue mats, i did 1 team that have lvl 10 blue and yellow, and another team have lvl 10 red and lvl10 chest

i gonna keep this up till i run out of rare stones for interaction and then back to two level 10 chests team

[hard badger]

Pips you might want to focus on one character lvl 30 characters have a 2% chance to get a candy coin so getting that as fast as possible would be better than balancing things out

[nocturne aurora]

i live for the day i get Nebby and Bags in the same topics propositions

[lost pumice]

[autumn stone]

My lowest was 36 at x5. Dang Round 14 is crazy

[marble hemlock]

yeah, staying until round 14 chance is really low.
I tried doing the probabilities a different way, as leave% for a specific round, rather than cumulative stay%

round| attention% | end%  | points
-----------------------------------------
1    | 100%       | 0%    | 10 pts
2    | 100%       | 0%    | 21 pts
3    | 96%        | 0%    | 33 pts (start max vibes after round 3)
4    | 96%        | 0%    | 59 pts
5    | 96%        | 4%    | 87 pts (end max vibes after round 5)
6    | 85%        | 14.4% | 102 pts
item | 100%       | --    | --
7    | 89%        | 9.0%  | 118x1.3 = 153 pts
8    | 78%        | 16.1% | 135x1.3 = 175 pts
9    | 66%        | 19.4% | 153x1.3 = 198 pts
10   | 54%        | 17.0% | 172x1.3 = 223 pts
11   | 42%        | 11.6% | 192x1.3 = 249 pts
12   | 30%        | 6.0%  | 213x1.3 = 276 pts
13   | 8%         | 2.3%  | 235x1.3 = 305 pts
14   | 0%         | 0.2%  | 258x1.3 = 335 pts
=> expected value of 190 pts?

a little over 11 levels a day on average

[weak crag]

between hot topic super exciting and non hot topic excitement increasing on first topic which should i pick

i've got guaranteed max vibes so idk

[marble hemlock]

the pinned interaction guide is pretty good

with boost juice, generally don't pick hot topic until 3rd or 2nd round

[weak crag]

so just go for non hot topic even if i have no good choices

[marble hemlock]

I think so, but not sure exactly. I guess you can close the app and reset the interaction (during the first 2 rounds) if you're min-maxing it

[weak crag]

TIL

[nocturne aurora]

i just gave my first gold present today, had an extra animation with Lillie saying she has a gift for me next time
what does that mean? is it just banter?

[glad acorn]

Nah, it is just the tier 3 present is more special. You can still get cut off later

[analog furnace]

I always push my luck at like 80~ish % thinking hey I'll just give a present after this so as to not waste attention gained

Then the convos end

Should just lean into being more careful about it

Lv74 tho close

[glad acorn]

Well 30% to end is pretty high

[analog furnace]

Even just like 25% is high yeah

[autumn stone]

True

[analog furnace]

I may as well just give the presents a lil bit early next time

Not giving enough presents lately

[nocturne aurora]

"i'm at 92%, what's the worse that could happen, let's just talk one more time"

[glad acorn]

Many of such cases

[twilit venture]

Good

[autumn stone]

*Here's a few rerolls at round 7-8 with items

[glad acorn]

Still not getting cut off yet? Damn

[worldly ivy]

What's this shady ass place silver took me to 😭

[autumn stone]

yes, and the hot topics I'm gettin today is rotatin between #items #other #pokemon #friends

majority of loc is in bv

oh and max vibe in round 1-2 / Hot Topics - SE/E/I between round 5-6

[runic plaza]

Only got 3 levels today because I didn't but the rings (like an idiot) but soon enough... levels.

[glad acorn]

Damn, that's going all out

[hard badger]

I don't like gold presents but they do seem effective

[blazing sapphire]

I got scammmmmed today. 90% failure.

Didn't even get max vibes

[wind badger]

Similar. I got dropped after Max Vibing around 85% twice

[autumn stone]

I do reset if I can't max vibe at 1st/2nd topic.

also if the topic is e.g items for cynthia is instant reset. I only roll for Places / Friends / Other

[urban zinc]

Wait until she stops at 80%

[lost pumice]

I was Ditched at 97%

[quiet vortex]

Oh that's a really cute graphic where did you find it?

[quiet vortex]

Jesus

[runic plaza]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/lodge/

[quiet vortex]

Ohhhhh I should have figured

The graphs and stuff on that app are super stylish

[visual remnant]

Now we just need to apply a location filter onto this and we can make an objective tier list of which Hot Topic/location combo is the best for each char

[glad acorn]

When you picked the hot topic and still got 95%'d (recorded)

Still 2 level gained I guess

[lost pumice]

[swift basin]

How low do you go before giving present? All the way down to 80% to maximize gain or not?

[rancid lance]

Remember when ppl were saying it’ll take months to max out a lodge level? And yet some are almost done if not done already with certain characters

[orchid glade]

I like this a lot more than other ways

[rancid lance]

I usually go down to 80% because that’s the most likely time they’ll stop talking to me for some reason

[orchid glade]

70% for gold, 80% for silver and 90% for bronze is when I gift them

I usually have over 100 points by then for gold

[rancid lance]

I’m unsure of who to focus my certificates on first, maybe a support for more hp/defenses?

[hard badger]

You can just use them on a favorite the difference shouldn't be enough to make a meaningful impact. If you want it for competitive use it's best to save them for when it's needed like on an extreme battle you’re narrowly losing

[orchid glade]

I can level up something to 150 if I wanted to

I will probably also save them for now

[lean river]

I failed x6 twice

Maybe I shouldn't be lazy

[urban zinc]

Kinda good

[lean river]

Leave on 83 is kinda sad tho

[urban zinc]

Yeah

[orchid glade]

Those screenshots confirm why I don't do multiples in one

[wind badger]

Last time i did x3, i got left at 80%.

never again

[orchid glade]

If I was able to have a good run first try I would maybe change my mind

but always is a bad first one

[glad acorn]

To be fair, we didn't know the levelling is linear

[wind badger]

Dena's probably regretting making it too linear

[blazing sapphire]

It's taking me months

[wind badger]

Underestimating gigafan's MinMax planning

We'll be done with every current unit in about 2.5 months

And have so many left over materials/items to spare

[orchid glade]

exactly we thought it would increase

[rancid lance]

Man I can’t even get enough materials to get higher than the bronze gifts

[glad acorn]

Meme would be made if you need 2 months to do a pair though

[rancid lance]

I can get like 1 silver each a day

[runic plaza]

It takes like 2-3 weeks per pair

[blazing sapphire]

I'm rolling in bronze and silver materials now. Gold is the one I can't afford an entire day's worth of each day.

[rancid lance]

Gold takes longer

[wind badger]

Feels less than 2 weeks

[orchid glade]

I can do three a month

[wind badger]

Its been week and people are almost already done

[orchid glade]

so three months to do all

[blazing sapphire]

How long does it take a to max out to 9999?

[rancid lance]

I think the next pair I work on after Cynthia will be whoever does not use Fiery materials so I can restock on those

[runic plaza]

Silver?

[orchid glade]

I started with Blue (Rosa) and got lots of the others

[wind badger]

Already sitting at 4k gold blues just from Caches

Im thinking of just stopping at 85 for the yellow coins

then do the next character

[orchid glade]

I am going 100 then next

[wind badger]

I dont really need/want any of the new pairs

[orchid glade]

now that we got 6 slots next pair will go faster

[wind badger]

tbf, 15 levels is just a day of good interaction lol

[orchid glade]

and we know what we doing too it helps

[runic plaza]

Man I was on track to be the first person to get a 100/100 Lillie but then messed up these past two days

[orchid glade]

I am sure some Japanese guy is a lot further

[glad acorn]

Silver is strike and therefore Fiery too

[runic plaza]

Oh yeah it's related to roles oops

[orchid glade]

Didn't notice it was on roles

[runic plaza]

Also it's interesting that out of the 4 F2P accessible lodge pairs (Blue, Silver, Rosa, Sycamore) none of them use Soothing crystals

Strike/Fiery: Blue, Silver, Cynthia, N
Tech/Soothing: May, Marnie
Support/Wistful: Rosa, Sycamore, Lillie

[blazing sapphire]

I never realised

[glad acorn]

That's why said Soothing should be Green

[jovial moon]

qn are you guys focusing on 1 unit

or spreading out the love

[glad acorn]

Focus, you want one at level 30 or you're gonna regret spreading

[jovial moon]

my cyn is at 55 🙂

[glad acorn]

Good then. But still, I'm aiming for the lodge pair myself

[kindred plaza]

at what topic can you restart the game without it taking the interactions?

[carmine lake]

Yeah, interested here as well. I’ve read somewhere that soft setting DOESNT work, and used your interaction/s anyway. And with that, i’m afraid of trying to softreset.

[visual remnant]

As long as you can still press a topic, you can reset

[carmine lake]

The items and interactions will not be used up?

[visual remnant]

Nope

All completely refunded

[worldly ivy]

oh it's roles???? I always just assumed it was general vibes cause silver and blue being firey made sense vibes wise

[visual remnant]

Resetting doesn't work if you're attempting to do it right before the convo ends, because it's decided instantly when you press a topic

Although there is a way to do so, if you're crazy

[rigid pilot]

40 more levels

[late sluice]

hate this game

i just had N quit an interaction at 91% and then 92% right after

[lean river]

Just me being lazy to do it 6 times, it's a bad idea indeed

[mental pewter]

what's the way ?

[balmy ginkgo]

Id wish that the gacha luck for 10% 5* was the same as this thing, I mean, attention 90% is the same odds right?

[late sluice]

in 6 interactions i only went up 4 levels

he kept quitting them before 80%

fml

[visual remnant]

Turn off Internet after starting the convo, when you hit the connection error, delete and reinstall the game

[jovial moon]

yeah im aiming for gastrodon before the LG

[glad acorn]

You would need to be very desperate to do that

[wary wasp]

now watch me whip
now watch me nay nay

[autumn stone]

Wait that's not it

[autumn stone]

*I finally exp gettn 95%'d. I think she's tired coz I'm rerollin non stop and it's gettn late

This I only hit 1/10 rolls

[rancid lance]

Might do that too, not really interested in any of them. If they had EX I would use Marnie though.

[analog furnace]

How are you guys rerolling anyway? Before you select any options, right? Rather than trying to catch the moment they end conversation?

[autumn stone]

yes

[blazing sapphire]

It has to be before selection

You can't escape a conversation end

[analog furnace]

Figured, but I remembered one of the first people here who mentioned it saying they were able to catch it before it ended

Likely just stopped early without realising, ig

[glad acorn]

Never close app while the pair is evaluating your choice of topic. That's an easy void for that interaction

[analog furnace]

I see they have a correction now tho

[glad acorn]

<- This dude lost his 6x that way. Don't be like him

[analog furnace]

Still, the idea of going through that entire process of turning off internet after starting convo, reinstalling game etc is pretty funny

[glad acorn]

Some players are just desperate

Gotta speedrun a pair in 6 days etc

[analog furnace]

I think just resetting before bad options is more than enough if you're already willing to put in the time to do that in the first place

But true, some people out there are prob desperate enough to do whatever it takes

[glad acorn]

Yeah, for me, set up for 2nd topic max vibe is more than enough

[hard badger]

Some VN players would save and load for every interaction

[analog furnace]

At least they could save and load, I guess, lol

[glad acorn]

250 per interaction seems like the peak since 13th topic and onward eats up attention by a lot. So if you multiply that by 9, 2,250. Or 5 days to get a pair to level 100

[autumn stone]

True, like I got a good starting roll earlier. Mv at first round with "SE(hot topic)" up to 3rd round then gets "IT" at 4th drops at 5th round with "Interesting(ht)"

[analog furnace]

[wary wasp]

LETS GOOOO

[keen summit]

I’ve been resetting this interaction for 30 minutes because the hot topic won’t show when it needs to. Truly riveting gameplay

[loud marten]

Oh neat a 3* friend key

[keen summit]

At least the frustration paid off. New record

[wary wasp]

ty silver ❤️

[late sluice]

yeah today seems like it's been a bad lodge day for a lot of people

N decided that he can quit interactions at 90% now

[keen summit]

That was my experience for the entire first two days

[late sluice]

it happened for half of my interactions today

3 of them didnt go below 90% and the others didnt go below 75%

[keen summit]

I gotta say, the rewards are all fantastic but I’m not really enjoying a single thing about the gameplay itself. It already feels like more of a chore than anything else that they’ve added in the past

[late sluice]

yeah kinda

even with the boosting items i feel like attention drops way too fast

i shouldnt be losing -10 attention after the first topic i pick once it's able to drop while having all items equipped

[keen summit]

Right, it’s too volatile

[carmine lake]

Is it me or are cheers don’t come as often as first couple of days of Lodge?

[eternal mural]

Nice

[visual remnant]

Lmao yeah I had more fun researching Lodge than actually playing through Lodge

It's like if you were forced to stare at #salt-channel every day

And the #salt-channel stares back at you

But it's your own face

[keen summit]

What a descriptor

I mean you’re 100% correct

[jovial moon]

I'm kinda

[vernal shadow]

Look at this

11 topics, 3 hot topics, 0 max vibes

What gives

[pale marsh]

I finally got my most valuable possession, after doing all 6 interactions at once

[urban flicker]

you either reset until you get max vibes or use items

[pale marsh]

I can finally die a happy guy

[vernal shadow]

🔫

that was a reply to the above

[long nymph]

Yep, thanks for the reset tips guys...now i doesn't buy boost juice anymore

[hard badger]

I like boost juice now, keeps runs consistent worst case scenario I get 80 pts

[dense saddle]

I used up 6 interactions all at once and didn't get the ×6 or even the ×3
What is going on?????

[sharp solar]

Check your interaction count

You probably didn't

[winter galleon]

Probably accidentally tapped somewhere or you don't have enough interactions

[dense saddle]

Just checked

Thats what happened

Now we good

[carmine pilot]

I went around 70% with 5 hot topics but never activate Max vibe
I think the lower you go the lower is the chance to activate it

[wide sorrel]

Super exciting topic better then hot topic

[carmine pilot]

Almost a jackpot! Noiice

[wide sorrel]

Round 2 max vibe then ignore hot topic completely

[distant ember]

it's still better for the odds to pick hot topic every time since it has halved attention drops

[carmine pilot]

I never reach low % in multy
Idk why, it's just as it is
I did a x2, dropped at 90% after the gift

[glad acorn]

Everyone has their preference. And we can't really stop any 95%. I got hit by one today

[distant ember]

i prefer picking 10pointers instead of 5point hot topics still though

[wide sorrel]

Not sure attention drop is weird. It only drop 10-11-12% then my last question it drop 25% at once. Guarantee point versus chance to get more points. I take the guarantee

[distant ember]

when both are onscreen at once

[carmine pilot]

Not sure about the +5 ones
At certain % you're rerolling your percentage
Better end it fast as possible

[glad acorn]

Just be yourself. At one point you just stop caring about that attention point

[distant ember]

yeah that's why i don't choose them at much

as

[glad acorn]

"If you want to drop me, just do it. I don't give a damn"

Then proceed to get to 14th

[wide sorrel]

For me hot topic 10 point > 10 point > hot topic 7 point

[carmine pilot]

That's my best run
Imagine if it was a x6
Almost 20 levels

[wide sorrel]

Nice

[glad acorn]

I don't think I can get myself to do 6x. My logic brain rebukes that thought now. 3x or bust

[wide sorrel]

I think if I knew what I was doing first two days I would probably have 100+ levels by now

[sharp solar]

~~10x gang ~~

[random portal]

4 use interaction moment.

[glad acorn]

That's the thing with new mode. Lots of trial and error early on. Remember how CSMM used to be hard?

[sharp solar]

yes, the first CS mode is called Hard, why do you ask

[wide sorrel]

By the time I started the game csmm wasn’t hard anymore lol

Beat 10k my second week of play with johto mf trio

[glad acorn]

Well, for early phase, no one knew what those parameters do. So lots of trial and error to figure them out

[void lintel]

Let's see, it might be just barely sustainable to get 6 silver presents per day, though on average you might not get to use two or three of them due to the convo dropping before you get the chance. So how much should we say an average convo is worth...

[glad acorn]

HP and Atk stacking happened

[carmine pilot]

First day i did so random on different characters and somehow got 3 levels on Marnie with one interaction
2nd same stuff
The 3rd i got serious and focused on Cynthia
From the 4th i started buying the Interaction refreshes

[random portal]

A single conversation should reach on average 125 pts.

[void lintel]

80 or so for a bad convo, 200 for an amazing convo but much rarer...

[sharp solar]

Imagine the Attention% not being shown. People'd have to construct a formula and check it every time.

[glad acorn]

A successful one. Great one reaches to 80

[void lintel]

125 sounds like it could be about right, let's go with that

[wide sorrel]

I’m able to sustain 6 silver gift and have extra silver in the end.

[random portal]

I'm talking about the best net cost with single interact vs Multiple interacts.

[glad acorn]

Just keep the unused gifts for the next day

At least for me. Never buy in advance

[wide sorrel]

For me I did two 6x that end with like 30 points….

[glad acorn]

Damn

[void lintel]

So let's see... if 2 convos drop before gift, that's ~80pts x1 x2; if the rest of the convos are with gift, that's ~150pts x1.3 x4

~940pts per day if this estimate is accurate

[glad acorn]

80 should be minimum. That is at least 5 topics

[wide sorrel]

I got lucky later tho. Still have 80 some friendship levels

[glad acorn]

Anything else is intentional to aim for worst score ever

[carmine pilot]

I think around 24

[glad acorn]

Only if you choose to start vibe on 3rd topic and fail

[random portal]

If you want worst score. Juct pick bad topics. And if they stay for the entireity of the convo, they're pitying you.

[void lintel]

Hm. 5 topics means +10 (1+2+3+4) on top of the actual score values. Let's say the average turn is worth a value between 7 to 10, since there isn't always a 10pointer (or it isn't the Hot Topic). Maybe 8.5, directly in the middle...

[wide sorrel]

Bad score are basically cause by not getting early max vibe and the conversation ending at 3

[sharp solar]

5 from first, 6 from second, 7 from third. 18?

[glad acorn]

I guess if you are playing legit, then yes, 3rd topic fail is common

[wide sorrel]

If you play legit then boost juice is needed

[carmine pilot]

It was like this order:
+7 topic
+7 hot topic
+10 hot topic (hoping for a max vibe)
.....
BYE

[wide sorrel]

And you take the first hot topic that shows up

[glad acorn]

Make me

[void lintel]

A 5 turn convo would be something like
8.5+9.5 (ENTER MAX VIBES) +21 +23 (EXIT MAX VIBES) +12.5 (GUEST LEAVES)

74.5 for an "average" case

[sharp solar]

(ENTER MAX VIBES)

[random portal]

Now here's a question. If you had the option of the hot topic but is bad vs Great topic but not hot topic and you're at a low chance of failing. What would you choose?

[sharp solar]

Great is +7?

[void lintel]

Bad hot topic

[carmine pilot]

If i'm doing a multi, i just reset till the best hot topic

[glad acorn]

I would still choose the hot topic, even it fails me

[random portal]

Great being their favorite

[glad acorn]

If it was late half of the interaction, just yolo

[sharp solar]

I'd go for points there then

[random portal]

It's a odd rope to walk on because you're taking a risk both ways. But you could get more points if you extend the convo.

[carmine pilot]

Half interaction? Just run for your life with +10

[wide sorrel]

I take the extra points

I think interest drop increase greatly after a certain question

[carmine pilot]

Yes, it keep increasing

[wide sorrel]

So even with hot topic you can extend it by a lot

[carmine pilot]

+5 hot topic are kinda useless around 50%

[wide sorrel]

My most recent deep run it went from -10ish to -25

[void lintel]

The thing is, a greater interest drop early on means every subsequent turn has a greater failure chance

That's not worth 5pts to me

[wide sorrel]

So I’m kinda confuse on how that works

[void lintel]

Especially since a bad Hot Topic will still be worth more than half of a Super Exciting non-hot topic

Half Attention loss but more than half Friend EXP gain

That looks like a good deal to me

The only turn this isn't true is Turn 1, where there is no Attention loss

So you'd go for the Super Exciting non-Hot topic there anyway

[visual remnant]

^ What he said

[carmine pilot]

It's like running on stairs, you're going to jump multiple steps rather than hitting each ones

[glad acorn]

I did this thing when I checked my recorded videos and found out the same topic in two different run at 5th topic gave different loss

So yeah, even attention drops have rng

[wide sorrel]

Do you it there might be such a time as a cool topic?

[carmine pilot]

[glad acorn]

There might be other hidden mechanic, perhaps. Need the dataminers to find them. For now we can only rely on what we can see

[carmine pilot]

Dena built the ultimate Rng Simulator

[wide sorrel]

Pull after you get lucky on a interaction

[quasi sigil]

Got a new record

[glad acorn]

Here's some of the runs. Notice the highlighted rows

[glad acorn]

Either I got hit by a critical, since for the 13th topic, I got a 23 drop

[viscid sparrow]

How much negative percent does each interaction give

[void lintel]

Depends on turn

Later turns cause greater attention loss

[viscid sparrow]

That’s what I thought. What about interaction one

[void lintel]

...What?

[viscid sparrow]

It’s -10?

[void lintel]

Turn 1 and 2 give -0% to guarantee your convo lasts at least three turns

[wide sorrel]

I got -25 on 13th so your definitely onto something

[viscid sparrow]

Oh sorry what about interaction 3

The first negative one

[glad acorn]

Probably something courtesy of DeNA to cut off the interaction

[void lintel]

-5 to -10, it seems

[wide sorrel]

So topic 13-14 almost a hard limit

[glad acorn]

From what I noticed, 8 - 10 starting 3rd topic

[void lintel]

A Hot Topic can reduce this to 5

[viscid sparrow]

I thought it was always 10 and shovel made it 8

[void lintel]

I wonder if the shovel has a success rate?

[viscid sparrow]

I thought shovel was always -2

[glad acorn]

The number definitely is not fixed

They have a range for each topic count

[quasi sigil]

Description says it can go to 0

[viscid sparrow]

Ah ok

[glad acorn]

Think of it like the 95% - 105% difference for the damage formula

I guess I can try a no shovel run to see if the drop is oddly higher

[viscid sparrow]

So none of the interaction minus is a fixed number and I just happened to get -8 for the last 4 days ish

[glad acorn]

Depends on which topic count.

[viscid sparrow]

Number 3

[glad acorn]

I just showed an image to illustrate that. Scroll further up

[viscid sparrow]

Ok so it’s always -10 at the first available spot?

[wide sorrel]

Which character is your data for?

[viscid sparrow]

Blue

Does it matter though

[glad acorn]

First available spot as in the third topic? I'm not following here

[viscid sparrow]

If I don’t follow that grid because of RNG and my first negative action is turn 3 then it’s been consistently -8

Well in your grid your first available spot was action 5

But you also got the -10 that I was talking about

So the negative amount starts building on top of each other after the first occurrence.

[thorny sky]

Hey! Can someone suggest expedition teams

[glad acorn]

Could be. I admit I don't have much data on 3rd topic slot since that's when you can get dropped

[blazing sapphire]

There are some teams in pins

[glad acorn]

Most of the time I start max vibe on 2nd topic to skip it

[viscid sparrow]

I normally do too but I reset after topic 4 if I didn’t get it by that point.

But I try to initiate as fast as possible

[glad acorn]

Sometimes you can get dropped on 3rd so don't try that too much

[viscid sparrow]

Yeah that happened to me today lmao

That’s why I’m asking

[glad acorn]

Remember, any percentage not 100% is risky

You can have the perfect set up and get the 1.5x going. Then you get dropped next topic

[thorny sky]

Got it!

[void lintel]

All you can really do is try to nudge your success rate upward
It won't guarantee anything
It'll just give you better overall results

[wide sorrel]

Tempted to do a 6x gold gift but I know I should just buy keys

[runic plaza]

I don't think level cap stuff is needed right?

[ashen wasp]

I don't think there is a point in buying keys until you run out of pairs to level up

[glad acorn]

Buying certificates might be better

[ashen wasp]

besides, you get keys from time to time from chests

[blazing sapphire]

Once i hit 100 I'm switching to another unit. Not sure I'll bother with any level uncaps until a month or two from now.

[glad acorn]

You know, I think I might try to start using present when the game gives me 3 bad topics

No more waiting for the 80/70 threshold

[runic plaza]

I used mine because I didn't have the ring and hadn't reached max vibes yet. Lillie left at 72% because I still didn't get one match for the hot topic. "Drop the ring" somebody on reddit said.

[orchid glade]

Should reset if you don't vibe

[ashen wasp]

I dropped the shovel

[glad acorn]

I think ring is a must. Even though it will exhaust all hot topics in the first few choices

Better get them all than not at all

[ashen wasp]

hmm, wait, the shovel is bronze crystals

[visual remnant]

shovel super cheap

might as wel

[ashen wasp]

yeah, nvm, no reason to drop them lol

[visual remnant]

even though it's kinda lame lol

[glad acorn]

It's either juice or ring. Many rule out the juice

[ashen wasp]

yeah, RNG can still be a jerk

[visual remnant]

ring helps you throughout the convo

juice can be helpful if you wanna target max vibes instantly on 3rd

[glad acorn]

Yup, you cannot do much if they want to drop you at the first attention drop

[visual remnant]

but not necessary

[ashen wasp]

how are the chances for max vibes without using the juice?

assuming I don't want to force close and reset

[runic plaza]

The juice just ensures max vibes, the ring is practically needed for max vibes

[glad acorn]

Uncertain without juice. Can be first hot topic or the last

[visual remnant]

I can say it feels like more than 50% at least

just to pull a random number out of thin air

[wide sorrel]

I thinking in 1-2 month I’ll definitely need key for every friendship level I’m gonna get

[glad acorn]

If only you can keep the max vibe and end the interaction with it. Imagine the huge gain

[carmine pilot]

I never used the juice
But I feel that if you miss Max vibe at 2nd or 3rd hot topic you're not going to have max vibe anymore
5 hot topic today and no max vibe
Instead, picking a hot topic as first topic has always granted me max vibe

[wide sorrel]

Getting max vibe question 13-14 is the dream

[carmine pilot]

The perfect spot for max vibe is always 2nd topic

[glad acorn]

Safest for sure

[void lintel]

With a boost juice on, 3rd is better
But that means spending stones on boost juice

So I don't do it

[runic plaza]

I don't mind

[carmine pilot]

Yeah i'm not sure i can afford 6 juices ans 6 rings everyday

[glad acorn]

I guess you can wait for the pair to gift them to you. I got 3x feel ring that way today

[glad acorn]

Too costly for sure

[void lintel]

Yeah, it's hard to theorycraft whether "more stones for more presents" is better or worse than "more optimal conversation flow by spending stones on boost juice" so far

[visual remnant]

boost can sometimes be counterproductive if you get 10pt hot topics on first 2 topics lol

but i guesss with boost you'll be resetting for 3rd topic vibes anyway

[carmine pilot]

Btw i'm past 70 , considering i missed 2 whole days with Cynthya and the third one i had no additional ineractions

[wide sorrel]

4 points for 1800 silver stone

[glad acorn]

When you can just get 95%'d, there is nothing much you can do

We can just devise the most "efficient" gain

[void lintel]

My dude, this is half as likely as a turn2 vibe run, which has ~90% on the same turn (5)

[visual remnant]

you guys get to use up all your presents?

[glad acorn]

Luckily I did because I didn't buy in advance

[void lintel]

I have expended all my stones/presents before but yesterday gave me lousy luck

I'm not that displeased, though, as one of my other gachas gave me amazing pulls that day

[glad acorn]

Still, what are you guys opinion? Do 6 times 1x, or one time 6x?

[runic plaza]

There is no definitive answer honestly

[void lintel]

Over a long enough period of time, they are the same

[wide sorrel]

6x

[void lintel]

I have other reasons I don't (can't) use 6x

And that's "I have 1x gold gift"

[wide sorrel]

You have more time to reset for the perfect start

[glad acorn]

6x has the endorphin, but I'd hate to get 95%'d

[runic plaza]

Because 6x can screw you over hard but doing 1x can have underwhelming results

[void lintel]

So I do 1x until I manage to use the gift, then use whatever amount is left with silver gifts

[wide sorrel]

Can just wait for 6x gold

[void lintel]

tbh by that point the guest might already be Lv100

[visual remnant]

honestly the bottleneck rn

[blazing sapphire]

I was worried by the time I got 6x gold I'd be mostly done with the pair, but recent luck makes me think this may not happen

Never getting to 70% anyway lol

[runic plaza]

Talk about it

[ashen wasp]

I go 3 and 3, mostly to have a chance to soften the blow of a bad interaction lol

[glad acorn]

Perhaps use the present at 80%. 70% is admittedly too low

[wide sorrel]

Level unlock or buy for a different character that use same resource

[void lintel]

Level unlocks are probably better purchased with the "30 of each tier4"

[visual remnant]

you can reach Level 100 in about 10 days

doing 1 by 1 is consistent

[blazing sapphire]

Feels unlikely thouhg?

[visual remnant]

if you do 6 at once you can get shafted a lot and delay a few days lol

[glad acorn]

"Hey, I have 2tier present and at 90%. Let me do another topic before gif-..."

[wide sorrel]

How lodge even been release for 10 days?

[void lintel]

I did an average-ish calculation this morning and ~9 levels per day seems average-ish even including bad convos

[void lintel]

This should be Day 8 I think

[ashen wasp]

yeah, it's not really that fast for most people, not everyone is try-harding Lodge this much lol

[glad acorn]

Yeah today is the 8th day since Lodge

[wide sorrel]

Nah I feel like it less then 10 days.

[visual remnant]

with the recommended strat of only triggering Vibes after 2nd topic, even with crap luck you can get like 85pts

[glad acorn]

I can imagine some level 100 by this weekend

[mortal turtle]

and the first 2 days most people didn't get the 3 more interactions

[visual remnant]

an average run would get you about 120 ish

[wide sorrel]

I got 80 some level in 5 days. I messed up 3 days in total. So with no user error I would be almost 110 level

[blazing sapphire]

Some will, but I doubt it's the majority experience.

[mortal turtle]

Me, I'm lv 82 tommorow or by sunday should be lv 100

[glad acorn]

I came across a few 80s

[visual remnant]

and really good ones can get to 180++

not including gifts

[void lintel]

This is my estimate

[visual remnant]

requires M E T A and a bit of luck, but it's not too unreasonable an estimate

[glad acorn]

I'm at 62 myself. Probably Tuesday to get to 100

[visual remnant]

14 days if you're mostly unlucky

17 if you only get crap runs lmao

[ashen wasp]

less than 3 weeks isn't bad tbh

especially for the rewards you are getting

[wide sorrel]

With the correct setup the minimum you can get is 80 ish. It unlikely you get that unlucky tho

[glad acorn]

Well, you clearly need to know what to do to stop getting like 32 point per interaction

[ashen wasp]

yes, and if questions channels tell me anything, most people just don't know any better and never learn lol

[glad acorn]

Lodge is honestly TMI for most players

"Dude, I thought this is a leisure mode. Why do I need to learn all this?"

[void lintel]

End of this weekend would be Day 10
With the estimate provided above (9.4 levels per day), that's Lv95. But! We kinda have to cut the first two days off since nobody had good income/stockpiles to do good conversations

[visual remnant]

I don't know what you see in that place

[ashen wasp]

you don't want to know

[void lintel]

Also because your first convo is locked to Rosa

[visual remnant]

still less work than IRL friends

[void lintel]

So yeah, it'd take at least some luck to reach Lv100 before Day 10. After the first two days, it's fairly plausible to get 100 levels in 10 days

[glad acorn]

To be fair, I don't think most even know this channel with how cryptic discord is these days

[ashen wasp]

depends on how horrible a friend you are

[visual remnant]

it's ironic because I made the exact same joke but inverted at the start of Lodge

[glad acorn]

IRL friends, but they start at 50% attention

[ashen wasp]

recycling jokes, smh

[wide sorrel]

The chance to get 80 point only is 5-10% tho. So 1 out of every 10-20. So the real average should be higher then 9.4 lv per day

[visual remnant]

this is how I maintain my "regular" status

[visual remnant]

50%? that's higher than I've ever gotten

[void lintel]

I feel like 150 is a mildly optimistic count for an average "with gift" interaction, is the thing, so I figured that might balance it out

[wide sorrel]

I think the worst with gift run is 7 topic. Run ending the turn gift is used. And factoring those run that just get lucky. I think 150 is actually a pretty good number

[glad acorn]

Yeah, those suck

I set up a 1.5x and DeNA noped me out. Good thing it was a 1x

[visual remnant]

these trainers really taking our gifts and running huh

[glad acorn]

I still cannot confirm the rumor of them actually running off with the gift. Probably just a rumor

[visual remnant]

oh I can confirm alright

[glad acorn]

"Oh, my attention is not 100%. Bye"

[void lintel]

I think they mean dropping out of the convo on the turn after the gift

Gift itself doesn't eat a turn, but they could very well leave after the very next thing out of your mouth

[glad acorn]

Yeah, that's more likely

[visual remnant]

yeah gift only refreshes topics

but Blue left after I said something about his grandpa

[glad acorn]

Guess you slighted him out

[ashen wasp]

he felt offended, Oak doesn't deserve slander, smh

[hard badger]

Prof Oak prefers Daisy over Blue because Blue reminds him of when he was younger

[visual remnant]

I just asked if Oak ever hung out with Agatha

[hard badger]

Agatha also prefers Oak when he was younger

[void lintel]

Reminder: The Old Timers theme skill tag solely exists to acknowledge Oak's and Agatha's rivalry

[visual remnant]

is Bertha part of that?

[glad pasture]

Excuse me what the heck???? Second time ending above 90% today.

[void lintel]

No. The Theme Skill for "this is an old man or old lady" is Veteran Trainer

Such as Pryce

Old Timers is solely Oak and Agatha

[void lintel]

Ah, a classic.

It happens to us all eventually

[royal valley]

Does the chance for the Rare Caches drop count only the level you have or is it a sum of each level?

[visual remnant]

I ship that

[ashen wasp]

everyone does

[quasi sigil]

Old Timers? I could swear it used to be Old Lovers

[void lintel]

No, it was always Old Timers

I'm not sure Oak even noticed Agatha had a thing for him

Unless Agatha is literally Blue's grandmother.

Blue does call her "Granny" in the Professor Oak story, but that can just be him calling her an old lady

(Blue has bested her in the Pokémon League before, so I guess he's earned the right to call her that via trial by combat???)

Is Agatha even in Blue's convo topics

[glad pasture]

Lillie wasted my items and ended in the high 80s without a hot topic

[ripe gorge]

Silver finally reconcile The power of trainer lodge

[void lintel]

I decided to see how it would go with Boost Juice and not the Feel Ring. Why? Because Hot Topics are a bigger deal later in the convo, and the Feel Ring consumes them all early, preventing them from spawning when it would matter most. A sample size of 1 is not a lot, but this is looking promising...

I tried it again with my last Interaction for the day. I did it in the Ruins, since they unlocked with this level-up

...Cyjthia left before I could give her the present

100pts

[glad acorn]

RIP

[orchid glade]

Ring gives me good points either way

[void lintel]

It was a gold present so maybe it would have gone differently if I used a silver at 79%

[orchid glade]

its just RNG

[void lintel]

Still, 100 pts with no present is kind of good

[glad acorn]

Ring evidently gives you more hot topics early on. Sometimes too much that they clog up 2 out of 3 possible choices

That hurts since any presented topics are removed from subsequent choices

[void lintel]

Ye, ring works TOO well

[orchid glade]

Does topics not repeat not noticed?

[glad acorn]

Yeah, I checked my 13th topic run. Not a repeat

[void lintel]

Topics will never spawn more than once per convo, including the ones you don't select

[orchid glade]

interesting

[void lintel]

So the ring "burns through" the hot topics in the first 6 turns or so

[glad acorn]

Even that 3 topics you shuffle by using item won't show up again

It's gonna hurt to miss that 10 pointer but you also cannot take too much risk

[orchid glade]

I must record it again to see on a long streak

[void lintel]

I will try Juice and no Ring for a few days, see how it feels

[pastel swallow]

smh wasting good rng

[deep tree]

Sleeping Deerling

[eternal mural]

Hot topics or 10 pointers?

Post max vibes

[orchid glade]

Hot topics it gives you them more

[void lintel]

Do we know which convo topics are exclusive to each location?

And also whether the randomized sub-location matters

[glad acorn]

That oriental park used in new year event is the only place with "Ninjas" as possible choice, I think

[void lintel]

Then better not go there until they add Koga, Janine, and possibly Falkner...

[glad acorn]

I still don't know where I can find the one that looks like Marnie's hangout. Seems like each place has at least 3 possible areas

There is also timezone too

[void lintel]

Ye, one time I went to the town and ended up in a quiet alleyway

Wonder if that affects Bustling Places vs Quiet Places

[glad acorn]

I think you can talk about Weather during outdoor

[void lintel]

Hm, I don't think I've seen Weather as a topic in the lodge. And Lillie loves talking about it, I think? Good call

[eternal mural]

Alright hot topics were better

Silver left at 194 points

Went up 5 levels

[void lintel]

I should check if May's convo table has Weather as a Super Exciting topic. She is from the place with the weather titans...

Hunh, only 7pts.

[glad acorn]

I think one good thing to consider is that every pair has different number of 10 pointers for each topics. So might do you better to find the one with most 10 printers as the hot topic.

Marnie seems decent with Fashion. I always see all the possible topics

[covert pivot]

Funnily enough silver has a LOT of friend topics lol

[jolly cove]

Btw why is max upgrade locked after level 140?

[rain belfry]

Maybe to prevent you from wasting those tickets

[blazing laurel]

How do you proc the multiple interactions multiplier?

[runic plaza]

By using multiple interactions at once

And using gifts

[blazing laurel]

Got it. Thought it meant interacting with them like 5 times. Is it guaranteed?

[runic plaza]

You can stock up to 6 interactions in a day. You can use all of them at once and get a 6x points multiplier on top of everything else (hot topics and gift multipliers)

[analog furnace]

Like does it use up your interactions? Yes, it always does if you opt to do so

Think of it less as a bonus and more just that you're putting it all into the 1 run

Saves time, gambles it all in 1 go

[blazing laurel]

Got it

[runic plaza]

You can either get worse results or better results from doing so. The gains can be pretty impressive.

[analog furnace]

So can the losses, of course

[runic plaza]

[analog furnace]

If you're doing x6, you wanna at least be getting 160+ points, ideally 180+ for it to be good. 200+ is v nice

[marble hemlock]

I did some math to estimate the probabilities and points per round. it came out to ~190 average points (actual average is probably 5-10 points lower since I assumed you always get 10-pt topics for simplicity):
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[analog furnace]

190... that's pretty good for an average imho

even 180 is pretty solid, I'm surprised if that's considered the average. I get you assumed 10 points every answer for simplicity, but I feel that's a factor that prob decreases it to around ~170 realistically, yet I can't say that for sure ofc

170+ I'd buy a lot easier

[void lintel]

...Wait what the hell, why are you putting "x1.3" in only the second half of the convo

[analog furnace]

ahh wait, 190 after the 1.3x and not as base? fair enough actually, misread lmao

yeah just saw that now lol

[void lintel]

Oh, okay, that's cumulative total

That makes more sense now, alright then

[analog furnace]

I was like goddamn what am I doing wrong

people out here averaging 190x1.3 per run sheeeesh

[visual remnant]

Wot

[analog furnace]

(TL;DR: they're not)

[visual remnant]

190 is an exceptional run

[cold ferry]

Highest level so far?

[void lintel]

190 before gift multiplier is an exceptional run yeah

[analog furnace]

190 after sounds about right for average

[void lintel]

190 after gift multiplier seems reasonable, yeah

[analog furnace]

It's like 146 points

[viscid meteor]

the highest i have seen is 250 before multiplier

[marble hemlock]

sometimes the convo ends early before you can use the item

[analog furnace]

I think I've seen something around there, can't remember what exactly

[viscid meteor]

figuring out the final points is easy

[analog furnace]

yeah, they're taking into account the shaft of not making it past that point

[viscid meteor]

figuring the attention drops is annoying

I explained how the points are calculated in a post here before hmmm

[sturdy monolith]

dumb question but where are the infographics for the trainer lodge sync pairs?

[viscid meteor]

you can check in pomatools if you want

and the infographics are also in absol twitter

[sturdy monolith]

i mean like for their likes / dislikes

alr

[viscid meteor]

yeah

pomatools have that too lol

[sturdy monolith]

o rlly?

[viscid meteor]

yeah

I added it on saturday I think?

[sturdy monolith]

oh i see it

ty

[viscid meteor]

press the Change button to group it in 4 different ways

[void lintel]

Ah, cool

Category, sorted by score value tier
Category, sorted alphabetically
Score value tier, sorted by category
Score value tier, sorted alphabetically

[viscid meteor]

yup

[shrewd gorge]

Interacting with N is making me love him even more lol

I kinda want to candy him and EX him now ;w;

What level are your guys’ top priority trainers?

[ashen wasp]

what a simp

[viscid meteor]

Cynthia 5/5 🙂

and I could raise her to 150...

[ashen wasp]

May is 39, but mostly because I didn't pay much attention to Lodge the first few days

[viscid meteor]

but I'm holding it the most I can heh

she's at 67 rn

I want to use 5 Cynthias in the next Stadium heh

[ashen wasp]

oh yeah, we now have 5 Blue, Cynthia and Lillie huh

[viscid meteor]

yep

and 4 Mays and Marnies

I want to try to do a run with 5 Cynthia solos (no MM) to see what happens

[distant ember]

5 mays

[shrewd gorge]

Omggg that’s awesome

N’s level 65 rn

[viscid meteor]

nice!

[ashen wasp]

oh, you are right, we also have 5 May

[shrewd gorge]

At the rate I’m going I how to get there within the next few days? Idk what’s a reasonable time tbh

[viscid meteor]

oh yeah, forgot SS May because I don't have her hah

[shrewd gorge]

My strategy is just use all of the items and try to get a gift in there lol

[distant ember]

i reached 75 today on syc but i kinda wish i had been going on one of the ones with a support unit 🙃

i generally only use the shovel when interacting

[proven vector]

Any 7/7/0/10 and 7/0/7/10 team comps out there?

[marble hemlock]

the cheer teams in pin are 8/6/1/9 and 7/1/6/9 without cheer. might be a good starting point to try and adjust from those

[void lintel]

I think it would be better to get 10/0/0/10 and 0/7/7/10, since each level above 7 is worth more than the previous

But are there enough +Rare -Red trainers in one region for that... Hm.

[winter sigil]

What is the aim of increasing the friendship level cap? Does the ladder reset after you reach lvl 100?

[void lintel]

No.

But each level is still worth 10 lodge stones

So each 10 levels is 100 stones, worth another Certificate of Excellence

You can alternatively spend lodge stones on dupe copies of the Friend100 sync pair

This could save you 4star candies, particularly if the Friend100 pair is a Support

[winter sigil]

Ah I see. Yeah, that's great. I'm aiming for N so that's easier

Thanks a lot!

[proven vector]

Hmm not seeing the pin for those mind copying them here for me?

[cold ferry]

whats the highest level someone got

[proven vector]

Thanks

[marble hemlock]

I'm at 81 currently. saw someone at 61 two days ago, so there's probably a few people at 80+ (edit: typo)

[distant ember]

oh nice, hadn't seen anyone higher than myself yet at 75 but knew i hadn't been very optimal

[urban flicker]

currently 71 with Rosa

[maiden haven]

they end at 90% or 80% for me when x6 so i have lost quite a few days

[proven vector]

I don’t do 6x for that very reason

Got burned at 91% and said never again

Dang teams using Archie and Maxie….ugh

[hardy flare]

[last trellis]

is it possible to get more than 6 interactions?

[icy wagon]

Yes

Store your 6 today

Get 3 more tomorrow through shop

You have 9

[last trellis]

hmm

[icy wagon]

Limit is 10

[last trellis]

oh ok lol

[icy wagon]

Note if you have 3 or more, they will not refresh

You will have to exchange extra yourself

[last trellis]

that sounds like a waste then

[icy wagon]

It is.

But you asked if it's possible

So I told you it is

[sharp solar]

Just imagine the points from 10 interactions though!
You can get... 340! Oh, that magnificent shaft at 95%!

[onyx quarry]

Got this immediately followed by an insta leave at 90%

This is what i get for not savescumming hot topics in the first 3 rounds

[marble hemlock]

I sent some in-game feedback about too much rng/variance and feel-bad shaft moments

In Trainer Lodge interactions, there is too much variance and randomness in when the character leaves. It feels bad when your favorite character leaves at 90%+ attention, just because you got unlucky RNG. Current interactions can range from 3 to 14 rounds. Please consider reducing this variance to 5 to 10 rounds.

Any ideas how they could go about implementing some way to reduce the variance? saw a reddit thread about 2RN (rolling the rng twice) which was interesting

[onyx quarry]

Got my first character to level 150, anni skyla

[violet lintel]

Is the probability checker really reliable, I thought I got a bonus when I got Cynthia still talking at 62%, used the Gold item, but then she stopped talking after 92%....

Then I just got stopped at 90%+ with Rosa, the odds seem so slim.

[marble hemlock]

from what we know, it's just RNG. sometimes you get unlucky

90% is like getting burned by flamethrower. it happens more often than you'd like

[violet lintel]

I rarely go below 50% for example when odds should say I get equal odds below as above that.

[marble hemlock]

I think it checks on each round, and the attention% is the chance to continue

statistically, the median ending is at 70% attention (90% x 80% x 70% = 50% chance to end by then)

[violet lintel]

I see, so I guess 70% stop after 3rd interaction is "normal odds" after all.

[marble hemlock]

I think it would be a good idea if they prevented the conversation from ending while the attention is above 80%

and only start rolling for end chance when it drops below that

[violet lintel]

I mean the point of the percentage is odds of leaving. If I didn't read up, I would've thought attention is more like HP, and you wittle it away until it's gone.

[marble hemlock]

yeah, that type of system would definitely be better

one of the biggest pain points for lodge is the characters leaving early due to bad RNG. it creates too many feel-bad moments

[violet lintel]

Like if they made RNG more like the "HP" drops are varied it feels more satisfying than the uncertainty of attention.

[marble hemlock]

yup, I completely agree

[violet lintel]

Then maybe you randomly gain attention back between convos.

Not this anxiety of "will the convo continue?", it's much more exciting to see the how big the drops would be IMO.

Also I hope you can change interaction numbers and not 1 or max.

[marble hemlock]

If people agree with this and have the time, could you please send something similar via in-game feedback? The developers really care about feedback and a lot of my early feedback was eventually incorporated into the game in some shape or form (except the one asking for Mega-Serperior )

[past dune]

nah i like the feel good moment of having 14 topics

only feedback I sent is having preset teams and extending/refreshing extracts

[marble hemlock]

spoken like a true gacha player
good idea about the preset teams and extract refresh though - I'll also submit feedback for those

[past dune]

half of my interactions have been like 3-4 topics but I just don't base my experience as that

it's fine how it is, the rng balances over the days lol

[rancid lance]

So since we likely have maxed friendship out there, what does increasing level cap with the keys do?

[marble hemlock]

raising the level cap lets you get more lodge stones after you cap everyone

or for big number on your favs

[maiden haven]

it's sadly going to be a REALLY slow grind though

[void lintel]

Looks like maxing one character will take somewhere between a week-and-a-half and two weeks... Hm.
Two weeks, times nine characters, is 18 weeks. 126 days... just over four months.

[maiden haven]

that is if you have all nine characters...

[void lintel]

I already have a few friend keys-- bronze ones from rare caches, and more than enough tier4 stones to buy a gold one

[maiden haven]

i don't have any of the limited ones

[void lintel]

Then your grind is shorter.

[maiden haven]

and also no friend keys because it's rng

you mean I have less characters at 150

[void lintel]

Tier4 stones are considerably less RNG

They're very common from caches

[maiden haven]

i can exchange one after all these days

[void lintel]

A bronze key was +1 friend level and a gold key was +10? Then the excess Tier4 stone income has already given me more max levels than the bronze key drops

...More than twice, in fact

[maiden haven]

because interactions eat them

[void lintel]

Bruh it's been one week

The first few days of which were spent with only a 3-5 member team

[maiden haven]

i have like 2 left after buying 3 interactions

[void lintel]

Sounds like you've been only running one Rare Cache team and not two

[maiden haven]

yes, because again, i dont have characters to run two

[void lintel]

My teams are Red+Rare and Blue+Rare (I don't have Marnie, so there's only one Tech in the whole roster to use yellows)

[void lintel]

That's odd. A lot of rare cache characters are genpool or freebie

I think Legendary Adventures alone give you enough for +10 on one team

[maiden haven]

i'd have to kill some other material if i do that

running lv 10 caches and nothing else is bad

[void lintel]

Gio, Silver, Ghetsis, and Hop are +2 each, then add either Team B and Omni or Team A and Rare Extract

What's your roster look like, anyway

Silver's even got a second version of himself to give +2 Rare on the opposite team

[maiden haven]

and they will kill the crystals

what are you even running for red and chest

[daring cosmos]

Anyone know if Lodge Stones (level cap item) can be obtained elsewhere via data mining? If that's the case it's only available Trainer Lodge rewards, is there a finite amount based on the number of available characters to MAX out with, or is that when Friendship Keys come in play?

[maiden haven]

friendship keys will allow you to slowly raise the level

but the amount you get from that lodge banner vs just playing is hard to even compare

[daring cosmos]

Raise level or Raise the Level cap?

[void lintel]

Hoenn and Alola are particularly good for this combo, but it's also not so bad in general; a lot of the Rare Cache units are Strikers so they don't bite into red in the first place

[daring cosmos]

Friendship keys (base on in-game text) says it raises the level cap for friendship.

[void lintel]

They can drop from Rare Caches directly. Both keys and lodge stones.

Tier4 stone income is also quite good with two Rare Cache teams

So you can buy a gold key in less than a week and still buy 3 interactions daily

[daring cosmos]

so I'm assuming a 3-star Friend Key raises your friend's 100 > 110; thus allowing additional Lodge Stone farming from one person.

[spring cobalt]

That was fun

[maiden haven]

no, 5

[void lintel]

Yes, exactly. Rare Cache is important for Lodge Stone drops, and key drops to get more Lodge Stones, and Tier4 stones to buy more keys as well

Well, okay, maybe it was 5?

But the concept was correct

[rancid lance]

If they add pairs every month then we shouldn’t be catching up on maxing everyone

[maiden haven]

that's a big if im sceptical about

[void lintel]

We already have the September datamine, no new Lodge pair was in it

[daring cosmos]

It's pretty easy to level characters so far.

[void lintel]

It goes up to Masters Day, which is exactly when new stuff arrives

There will be new pairs, just seems that it won't quite be monthly

[rancid lance]

First month may be because it’s new

[maiden haven]

you know, I heard that when BP units released people thought we will get new ones every month

[daring cosmos]

That's why I'm a bit concerned, if lodge stones are finite based on the number of trainers to interact with (MAX out).

[void lintel]

Month? Yikes. I'm not sure it's even possible to get the BP vouchers faster than that

[void lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012298913279127582/1014884761715621918/2CacheDrop.png

[rancid lance]

I don’t remember people saying that, but there was surprise that no new ones were added after a year, took til Anni for new ones aside from the very random Evelyn

[void lintel]

Stones and keys are in Rare Caches

[maiden haven]

i feel like Lodge will be a half year or per year thing

[daring cosmos]

Even with 2 teams with level 10 Rare Cache, Lodge Stones aren't common drops.

[void lintel]

Not common, no. Average less than 10 stones per day

Well, more like 15 with two teams

[maiden haven]

100 stones is one level right

[daring cosmos]

and you need 100 per 1 level cap break.

[void lintel]

Yup. The keys and Tier4 stones help

[daring cosmos]

so 1000 stones per character

[void lintel]

Look at the Tier4 stone income

[maiden haven]

we will probably push back about it if they add further levels afterwards

since no one cares about just 10 levels

[void lintel]

12.85 per color per team per day

[maiden haven]

but if it gatekeeps from going 160->200 using stamina gained mats it will be horrible

[void lintel]

Avg 25.7 per color per day, subtract 9 per day for bonus interactions...

16.7 per color per day, when a gold key costs 30

[daring cosmos]

Yes, but is there a cap on friendship?

level cap that is.

[void lintel]

I think it was five digits

So yes it exists but no you'll never hit it

[daring cosmos]

If it only gives lodge stones per level...

[maiden haven]

how many additional levels people who got bought the Cynthia lodge thing got?

[daring cosmos]

I can buy it for rosa

[void lintel]

Hm?

[daring cosmos]

which was the reason why I asked, if there was a "level cap on friendship"

[void lintel]

The friendship hardcap is like five digits

[daring cosmos]

If there is level cap in the thousands, then you can constantly farm for lodge stones.

[void lintel]

...Do you know what "five digits" means

[daring cosmos]

99,999

[void lintel]

Yes

[daring cosmos]

which again, I needed to verify

[maiden haven]

Initial cap is 100 if that's what you mean

then there are keys that increase it

[void lintel]

Oops, just kidding, it wasn't 5 digits

It was 7

https://twitter.com/absolutelypm/status/1563232310291415040

👁️‍🗨️ Absol-utely 🔍 (2.24.0!!!) (@absolutelypm)

Limit of Increase friendship Level Cap is... 9999999
(I not joking.) and when you raise the limit you get nothing more. In addition to each level up, you will reward 🗿 Lodge Stone x10.

#PMEXSpolier

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Twitter · Aug 26, 2022, 6:30 PM

[maiden haven]

or locks?

[void lintel]

10 million minus 1

[daring cosmos]

if each level still gives 10 lodge stones, then it will be enough to level every character in the game.

[past dune]

it's 9999999

[daring cosmos]

more than enough... just time consuming

[maiden haven]

yes, but it will slow down

[past dune]

ye

[void lintel]

That's 9,999,998 level-ups for 99,999,980 Lodge Stones

[maiden haven]

friendship levels will be wai- friend wars

[void lintel]

Which will buy you 999,999 Certificates of Excellence, which will max 99,999 sync pairs

There are fewer than one thousand sync pairs

[past dune]

x9 rn lol

[void lintel]

Ambiguously romantic-but-not wars

[daring cosmos]

not saying I"m going to go 9,999,999