Trainer Lodge

[frosty juniper]

Hmm weird, there was one last night

[past dune]

https://pastebin.com/AJhPVFvg

[frosty juniper]

Where everyone was going crazy about 0.5% chance for power up drops

[past dune]

That might be for daily trainer gift from lounge?

[void lintel]

I need to AFK a bit, so if you find it, leave me a ping. (I normally hate the notification popup, but... Well, I'll be AFK.)

[void lintel]

Ye, I think it was trainer gift

[maiden haven]

but most goes for their favorite out of the batch first

I might do Silver next because his freeze chance is pretty good

[void lintel]

I mean, I didn't, because my favorite is probably Cynthia. But fine.

[swift vine]

Dayum

[past dune]

[swift basin]

Okay I'm switching to double lvl 10 chests

[frosty juniper]

Yeah nevermind, it's just for trainer gifts

Sorry, misremembered

Probably shouldn't post something like this randomly off topic anyway

Btw, sorry if you feel bad about that, it's just that these are very specified thread topics, so it's best if we don't randomly put whatever images in these threads that have nothing to do with the topic

[onyx quarry]

Got all three slots

What are the best items btw. Feel Rings?

[urban zinc]

I used the feel ring once

And it was useless lol, never buying it again

Glasses and shovel work well, juice is kinda useless

glasses and shovel are super cheap too, no reason to not buy them

[pale marsh]

Feel ring is weird

Sometimes it works, sometimes its a one time thing

Glasses are very useful

Shovel i haven't tried

[rigid pilot]

How long does it take to get a lodge Mon?

[random portal]

Why am i here? Just to suffer?

[random portal]

If doing all 6 available interactions a day and good rng. It might take about 3-4 weeks. It's been 4 days and some folks are around the 19-26 level for one unit

[knotty nymph]

we don't know

it's partially rng

[urban zinc]

In 4 days I got lvl 20 Blue, so a wild guess would be to say that it takes around 20 days to get a lodge mon

[knotty nymph]

presumably you need more exp every level

[random portal]

20 days to about a month

Depending on rng

From what i've seen all levels are the same amount.

100 exp per level

[knotty nymph]

wait what

[random portal]

There is no increasing requirements per level

It's just been 100 exp each level akin to paper mario

[tepid stone]

in fact things should get easier now that we should have all the slots unlocked and enough resources to give ample items and gifts and stuff

[urban zinc]

Yeah today I did all 6 interactions

I'm gifting silver gift every time (unless he stops before 80%)

[random portal]

FINALLY

[glad acorn]

Thanks for being complacent, Marnie. ||Then she dropped me at 80% next talk ||

[urban zinc]

Blue did the same to me

[granite igloo]

I can only do like 4 interactions per day. Never get the fiery stones from caches

[pale marsh]

Rosa did the same to me loool

[void lintel]

Let's see... going by an estimate of 90% and then 80% remaining attention on the first two attention drops, about one-fourth of all conversations will end by that turn

...Maybe closer to one-third

So you can kind of expect this to happen around once a day... unless you buy extra interactions, in which case you can expect it at least once a day

Multi-Interaction-ing makes this happen once every several days instead but it also feels much worse when it does happen

Oh, neat. We have datamines for the upcoming characters' expeditions skills.
None of them had anything outside of expectations.

Red (Main Character Tech): +2 Soothing
Aura Cynthia (Champion Support): +3 Wistful & -1 Fiery
Costume Rosa (Main Character Tech): +2 Soothing
Naomi (Typeless Striker): +2 Fiery

[random portal]

Ok. Anyone have any better comps than this?

[north moat]

Those are pretty good, not gonna lie •.•

[glad acorn]

My inventory is flooding with blue crystal. I guess I have to focus on either Sycamore or Lillie once I'm done with Marnie

[random portal]

tomorrow. I'm going to do the Multiple interactions method and see where that gets me.

[glad acorn]

Best of luck and hope for no lame 80% cut-off

[void lintel]

Hoenn team might benefit overall from being moved to Team A, and swapping Sidney for Archie

[random portal]

i don't have Archie

[glad acorn]

20% to fail. This is 10% Flamethrower scoring a burn all over again

[void lintel]

Kalos/Alola hybrid team is mildly ouchy

[random portal]

if i get a cut-off, i'll attempt a SR

[rigid pilot]

So is it safe to say casually u can get a lodge Mon per month or so?

[maiden haven]

yes

[random portal]

yes depending on efficiency

[rigid pilot]

Accounting for bad rng etc

[void lintel]

A lot of us seem to be averaging out around Lv20 after four days, so that's twenty days to max

[maiden haven]

I'm at like 12 and are very casual about it

[void lintel]

So you could add a few more days of wiggle room in case of bad luck, and reasonably come out to a month indeed

[maiden haven]

no items, but buying interactions

[rigid pilot]

Well uh I did mess up on my first few days on lodge so yes

[void lintel]

fwiw, the shovel and specs are hilariously cheap

[rigid pilot]

Wailmer will come home

[void lintel]

Tier1 presents might be within your price range too

[rigid pilot]

All the lodge Mon don't evolve right

[void lintel]

I don't think so

[rigid pilot]

Do they have grids?

[void lintel]

They do

Another use for 4star candies

[maiden haven]

yeah I will get more serious later, just don't expect them to add faster than I max them

[random portal]

so i'm taking this into account. 243 x 6 Interactions = 1,458 exp = 14 1/2 Level ups if Amazing RNG

[maiden haven]

and next are probably like Lance or Steven

[glad acorn]

Just get extremely lucky

[random portal]

if you can SR.... this would be broken

[wide sorrel]

Fck I just went did a x3 interaction with full items end at 94/96%

[glad acorn]

That hurt

My heart breaks for you

[random portal]

gonna make sure if it ends, I immediately close out the game

[void lintel]

The thing I'm currently looking at is... someone posted a 47-cache unbox result and I'm trying to use it to estimate droprates for each item.
Problem is, I think I'm missing an item because I'm only counting 46 drops when I add up the totals...

The post in question

[gusty topaz]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[glad acorn]

I think it ends the moment you chose the last talk. That's how it looks like when I went offline test

[void lintel]

And then it saves the result clientside to report to the server next time you connect

[glad acorn]

Yup

[void lintel]

So it's kind of inescapable unless you do some really drastic measures

[random portal]

[void lintel]

Like, completely reinstalling the game

[glad acorn]

Unless you know you are not surviving the last talk

[random portal]

so you're saying it's not cheesable

[void lintel]

Not cheesable by any reasonable means, no

[glad acorn]

Fling the phone out of the windows

[void lintel]

And I'm the guy who found the Gym Leader Notes exploit cheese back at launch

[glad acorn]

It's at least cheesable by allowing you to survive up to 5 talks?

[void lintel]

No, the clientside autosave gets you

[glad acorn]

First talk - whatever
2nd talk - Topic to max vibe
3rd - 4th - Max vibe
5th - Attention drops starts here

[wide sorrel]

I’m just gonna cheese to ensure a max vibe topic in first conversation

[void lintel]

I guess this could work, actually. It skips the need for Boost Juice...

...Actually, that's really valuable

Boost Juice is kind of pricey

[glad acorn]

I think 2nd talk to initiate max vibe is better. You get two first talks that don't spend attention, so capitalise on it

[void lintel]

That could be a thing, too.

[wide sorrel]

Not really. Not sure if a bug or what but x3 interaction only uses one character item

[void lintel]

That's odd. It used 3 for me

[wide sorrel]

It used one for me

[gusty topaz]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[glad acorn]

Is it the present?

[glad acorn]

Nah, you still lose attention starting on 3rd. That's why I suggest 2nd

[gusty topaz]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[wide sorrel]

Bought 3 and when I started my second x3 still had 2 char items

[glad acorn]

Of course, this whole thing is a Jenga. I did that and got to 5th talk at 95%. I saw a topic and chose it. Talk dropped

[wide sorrel]

going max vibes later gives more points tho

[glad acorn]

You can also end the talk after max vibe. Can be limiting if you refrain from choosing topic early on

[gusty topaz]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[void lintel]

Anyway, going by 46 item drops instead of 47 -- these are the results... assuming the droprates for each item type are essentially the same across cache tiers (only powerup exchange tickets are really new to the 3star cache)

22x tier4 stone (47.83%)
9x coins (19.57%)
5x exp books (10.87%)
3x tier3 stone (6.52%)
4x tier2 stone (8.70%)
1x lodgestone (2.17%)
1x friend key (2.17%)
1x sync orbs (2.17%)

[wide sorrel]

Yeah that why I think 3rd topic is best time

[gusty topaz]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[glad acorn]

How many topic talk is needed to start max vibe without juice?

[wide sorrel]

Else you risk ending at turn 3

[void lintel]

Seems RNG

[wide sorrel]

Feels like a dice roll

[glad acorn]

Everything is die before me

[void lintel]

I once picked three hot topics in a row in the first three turns and Lillie immediately gave up on me

I guess at least it didn't cost me a present, but still. Owwww

[gusty topaz]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[void lintel]

I think, then, saving juice/rings would mean resetting until Turn 2 vibes

Turn3 is too risky

(In that it is risky at all)

[maiden haven]

can you get multiple max vibes?

[void lintel]

Nope

[random portal]

no

[void lintel]

In-game help text says only one per interaction

[gusty topaz]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[maiden haven]

they aren't vibin huh

[glad acorn]

95% - "Sorry, that was fun. But I gotta go"

[void lintel]

Theoretically perhaps...

[random portal]

There's no amount number here, only a Yes or no.

[glad acorn]

Scottie on his quest to speed run friendship

[random portal]

friendship%

[glad acorn]

I wonder when we will see the first level 100

[random portal]

someone was around level 26 today

[gusty topaz]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[void lintel]

Max Vibes only once, according to in-game help files

[random portal]

Chaotic Evil

[void lintel]

Max Vibes are a sometimes food

[random portal]

actually, you know what would be a good Soft reset moment? when a Max VIbe fails on you.

[glad acorn]

It won't end during Max Vibes, but after it

[wide sorrel]

Depends so much on luck a good run could save you 1-3days of interactions

[glad acorn]

"Talk your last two talks, scottie"

[random portal]

"that was fun. lets talk again T o m o r r o w!"

[void lintel]

It makes this funny "battery dying" sound when it happens at least

[glad acorn]

What is the usual score for on-topic talk? Any multiplier?

[random portal]

trash.

[void lintel]

Clarify what you mean?

[random portal]

it ranges from 45 - 170

[wide sorrel]

5-7-10?

[random portal]

oh wait. you mean THAT

[void lintel]

5-7-10 but each time you see "Excitement building!" all subsequent topics gain +1pt value for the rest of the convo

[random portal]

is it like a chain effect?

[glad acorn]

Ah, well, I chose Hilbert with Marnie when the topic is Friends. Still got +10 - 5

So I assume it is from accumulated scoring

[wide sorrel]

Hot topic is for max vibes only

[void lintel]

Might be from Excitement Building! points added on

[glad acorn]

It also decreases less attention

[random portal]

did you use a present or feel shovel?

[glad acorn]

Only shovel

[random portal]

shovel already lowers it by 2 to be 8

[glad acorn]

And yet it's -5. I think it's best for me to record a playthrough to further analyse it

Give me your math vibe, Clemont

[wide sorrel]

I think excitement build up is alway once per turn and hot topic is a +3 to affection

[glad acorn]

I'm just wondering if it's a good idea to stay ontopic even if the choices suck

Less attention decrease but probably less point given

[fierce mica]

i mean if it helps prolonging the convo, might as well

[glad acorn]

It's not like they will frown when you chose to talk about Lance ||right?||

[void lintel]

Six Tier4 stone drops, one Tier3 stone drop, two drops of exp books, and one drop of sync orbs...

[glad acorn]

"I don't like you and I don't want to talk to you." (Leaves)

[thorny beacon]

lance in trainer lodge when

[glad acorn]

If anyone played Thousand Arms, the gameplay is somewhat similar though you can really fail hard in that game

[void lintel]

At least failing is funny in that game

And you may want to fail on purpose since the girl stops teaching the lower-level spells when she gains a relationship level

Anyway, I added Sages' 10 cache drops to the 46 from earlier: here's a 56 cache sample size, now:

28x tier4 stone (50.00%)
9x coins (16.07%)
7x exp books (12.50%)
4x tier3 stone (7.14%)
4x tier2 stone (7.14%)
1x lodgestone (1.79%)
1x friend key (1.79%)
2x sync orbs (3.57%)

[knotty nymph]

if you're averaging 100ish or so per interaction and getting 6 interactions per day that amounts to 16.66 days per lodge pair

[void lintel]

I wonder how many samples will be needed for it to reach the approximate true values

[knotty nymph]

Maybe 2 every monthish might be possible for some people

[void lintel]

A 100 average... Hm. Considering high-Attention dropouts are uncomfortably probable, I wonder if a 100 average is optimistic...

[knotty nymph]

W/ gifts and all items

[void lintel]

Dropouts before 80% are what I'm talking about, which means you wouldn't even have the chance to give one.

[knotty nymph]

Depends

On if the occasional 200 balances things out

Bc I've gotten it before

[void lintel]

I suspect 200 is much less probable than ~20

[knotty nymph]

Time to play the gacha within a gacha game lol

[glad acorn]

Yeah, it's meta as far as jokes go in an rpg game

[void lintel]

With an estimate of 100% 100% 90% 80% and then dropout... that's a 27% probability

Which means with 6 interactions, you can expect at least one per day

[knotty nymph]

I think I'll be able go hit 2 lodge pairs before LG ends?

[glad acorn]

Giving item on the first drop. Yes or no?

[void lintel]

I mean, that time with Lillie, she left on the first drop so I couldn't

[glad acorn]

That 5% chance

[knotty nymph]

RIP

[void lintel]

Someone had to fall on the 5% chance. I'm just sad that it was me

[next junco]

Seem like focus on 1 color and chest not a bad idea give me enough gift and rare stone for next 2 interaction

[long nymph]

Guys is the cheer function in lodge RNG, like i only found cheer on my team A but not team B

[void lintel]

For me, the cheer button seemed to spawn later and later each day... My best guess is that it's got a 24-hour cooldown plus a randomized interval before it is ready again

Per team

[next junco]

I have cheer everyday tho both team

Except the first initial day

[void lintel]

Yeah, I don't think I heard of anyone who had Cheer ready on day 1

[long nymph]

I see thanks guys, now my red and chest becomes level 9 without cheer

[void lintel]

It's part of why I think there's a 24hr waiting period

[next junco]

You will have cheer on other team but not on the same time

[void lintel]

The game is kind of driving me to recheck the Expeditions over and over, obsessively

[next junco]

i woke up and see cheer on second team after 10 hour

[void lintel]

I like the feature but it's prooobably not doing any favors to my mental health

[next junco]

same

I need boundary

[glad acorn]

Maybe focus on the color of the pair you are going for. But it can be hard to plan it out if you want to ensure 10 cache in one team.

[unkempt gust]

i've been the same, for some reason the dopamine hit from picking up a lot of crystals is REALLY intense and it's not great

[long nymph]

Im still missing 18 red mats for my sixth slot ...hope can get it before reset

[glad acorn]

Like, is it possible to build a 1/10/1/10 or 1/1/10/10?

[next junco]

Cant do 10 unless you have cheer or many good unit tho

[void lintel]

I feel like the first one is easy

Let me recheck the Hoenn roster

[next junco]

Blue is hardest

[glad acorn]

I only do 10/1/1/10 since there is alola

[long nymph]

I currently build 10/1/1/10 but need cheer...and its alola

[next junco]

I cant build 10 blue 10 chest without cheer

[glad acorn]

If you have LuSSamine, no need for cheer

[next junco]

Yeah the hard part

[severe maple]

Lodge Stones are only used in that one shop menu right? I can use them all on certificates without worrying that i need to use them for something else?

oh snap wait theyre also for the sync pair dupes too huh

[long nymph]

Yep but i probably just gonna use 4* candies

[glad acorn]

Or you can just candy

We never run out of 4star strike candies anyway

[next junco]

Yeah only certificate matter

[severe maple]

tru, but im not missing anything else right, just those two menus?

[next junco]

[glad acorn]

DeNA "Guys, here's a new event. And a 4star strike candy. Support or Tech? No one wants that"

[long nymph]

I almost run out of it, after i 5/5 bpsophocles and bpcandice

[wind badger]

I’m still gonna save in hopes they let us exchange for 5 star candy

[void lintel]

1/10/1/10

Lucas (+6 yellow)
Bertha or Lucian (+3 yellow)
Barry (+2 rare)
Thorton (+2 rare)
Cynthia, or R Cynthia (+2 rare for normal, or +3 for Renegade)
Darach (+2 rare)
Omni (+1 yellow, +1 rare)
Team B (+1 rare)
There, no cheer needed

With R Cynthia, Team B not even needed

Wait shit

Barry is -2 yellow

Let me recheck

[severe maple]

lmao i just checked i have 44 4star strike candy ok i wont worry about that

[next junco]

[void lintel]

This is gonna get cursed...

[glad acorn]

Give them to Valerie and Flint

[next junco]

same

4 star striker candy is biggest joke i received

[glad acorn]

At least they gave us two strike for BP

Better than Karen BP at least

[void lintel]

Lucas (+6 yellow)
Bertha or Lucian (+3 yellow)
Renegade Cynthia (+3 rare)
Thorton (+2 rare)
Darach (+2 rare)
Cyrus (+2 rare, -1 yellow)
Team A (+1 yellow)
Omni (+1 yellow, +1 rare)

[next junco]

I thought 1 only

The golem one

[glad acorn]

Candice and Sophocles

[next junco]

Ah yeah

[glad acorn]

Yeah, Candice is a strike that sets weather. Pretty cool

[wind badger]

Sophocles is kinda cringe

[void lintel]

Wonder whether we'll get 5/5 Naomi from the event or if they'll give her at 1/5 and expect us to spend strike candies

[wind badger]

Candice is a great tech

[void lintel]

Sophocles has hecking Standfast 9

[past dune]

3rd slot finally unlocked, now i'm grooving 👍

[void lintel]

I have no idea if he's actually good, but... Standfast 9 is funny at least

[glad acorn]

I think I might try this if Marnie is choking my resources

[void lintel]

I do something else.
9/7/2/10 (but with cheer, unfortunately)

[wind badger]

I just dislike Standfast users since they struggle with LAs or max HP CS MM

[next junco]

i want marnie

[void lintel]

May, Steven, Noland, Maxie, Wally, Archie on team A with omni and cheer

[next junco]

I have enough resource for gift all day

[glad acorn]

Standfast 9 though as default. He's gonna take forever to suicide

[void lintel]

I think you could swap one of the rare boosters with... let me recheck the hoenn roster

[long nymph]

Dont worry can get copies, just the custom power up...i not sure if its gonna be 3* or 4*

[glad acorn]

That's like how you don't see Raihan accidentally off himself

[wind badger]

Jokes on you, i use raihan soley to Rockslide

[void lintel]

Ah, yes. swap either Steven or one of the rare boosters with Sidney to bring yellow to +10

[glad acorn]

Still, building Sinnoh or Hoenn is pricey since both regional 6 needs a pokefair

Oh wait, Johto needs a MF

[void lintel]

Johto is terrible to build

There are only two elite 4 and no champions in Johto

Half of Johto's elite 4 are Kanto, as is its Champion

So your only +3/-1s in Johto are Will and Karen

[glad acorn]

Koga and Bruno "Don't look at us. Tell that to DeNA"

[void lintel]

I can kinda see Koga and Bruno still having the Kanto tag since they live there

But Lance's Kanto tag makes less than zero sense since he likes talking about how he lives in Blackthorn City... in Johto

[glad acorn]

Easiest is probably Kalos then Alola

[void lintel]

Only one region has it worse than Johto: that's Galar, which has no Elite Four tags at all, and its Champion is a Master Fair

[glad acorn]

But Kalos has little to no blue pairs since minimal support

[void lintel]

Just Sycamore on his lonesome

[glad acorn]

Where's the drasna and malva, DeNA?

[void lintel]

But Sycamore + two BP legendaries + Lysandre is the start of a surprisingly strong Blue/Rare team

[next junco]

Kalos has many chest unit?

[void lintel]

But yes, Drasna/Malva are still MIA and that holds this back

[next junco]

I only has 2 battle falicity to pair with sycamore

[glad acorn]

Last I count, Kanto has the most if you include James and Jessie

[void lintel]

Sadly only 3 so far, all of which are hard to get

[glad acorn]

Villain = Chest

[void lintel]

Lysandre (poke fair) and two BP legendaries

[glad acorn]

Then there is Hau and Hop. Could it be?

[void lintel]

The Chatelaine sisters

[next junco]

I only care for Blue and chest support blue

[next junco]

Bruh Sycamore stay at 3 for me forever

Kalos dont have many +3 blue too

[void lintel]

I tried shoving Serena (+4 yellow) with Wikstrom (+3 yellow without hurting blue) in two of the other slots

[next junco]

[void lintel]

Bigger problem: Lysandre and both BP legendaries hurt yellow

So yeah this team is still kinda cursed

[next junco]

No +3 blue unit in Kalos?

[void lintel]

Remember: only Champion, E4, and Alola-exclusive Trial Giver have the +3/-1 spread

Kalos only has half its E4 in the game

[next junco]

[void lintel]

Neither of them, nor any form of Diantha, is a Support

So no +3 Blue

[next junco]

Only striker and tech

[void lintel]

Does costume Diantha even have her Champion tag

[next junco]

Poor Sycamore

[void lintel]

...She doesn't

[next junco]

[void lintel]

Yeeahhh costume Diantha is typeless so her spread is +2/-0

[next junco]

Not help

+2 i just slap other region +3 unit same effect

[void lintel]

Indeed

Alola is great to build for since Trial Captain has +3/-1

Except Hala

[novel root]

Hey guys, do we know which conversation item and accessory level is most optimal yet?

[glad acorn]

Then there is Hau and Hop. Could it be?

[next junco]

[void lintel]

I have no idea why but Hala has a Gym Leader spread (+1/+1)

Like, I read about the imitation Kanto Gym in Alola. But Hala doesn't operate it.

Apparently that's Ryuki?

So I can see (a hypothetical eventual) Ryuki having +1/+1

[void lintel]

...Accessory level?

[next junco]

atleast stock glass and Bronze gift at every interaction

[void lintel]

Glasses and shovels are comically cheap yes

[novel root]

Bronze silver gold, didnt know what to call them

[void lintel]

Since Omni gives enough bronze

[sick garnet]

they should really make expedition presets

[novel root]

Ah gifts, I feel stupid

[void lintel]

Oh, gifts. Because they're not all... accessories

Unless Silver likes wearing berries... somehow

[next junco]

You can get 4 bronze and 2 silver per day tho

That good enough

[novel root]

Only been focusing on blue, was gonna call them pendants lol

[sick garnet]

im running 10 of a color, 10 chests on both teams, trying to juggle all 3 colors the same its a struggle rebuilding all the time

[void lintel]

Man, how would Sycamore wear coffee beans

[next junco]

If you focus on blue only you can get 6 silver gift per day tho

[void lintel]

It can work if you do savescum shenanigans to not have to buy rings or juice

Savescum after turn 2 until you get Max Vibes

[next junco]

i dont like ring

And i have enough

To buy like 10 ring

[void lintel]

Lucky... Today I struggled to afford 6

[swift vine]

The last slot

[void lintel]

It'll take some time to build up a buffer

[next junco]

2 10 chest does give you enough extra yellow and red tho (silver)

i dont even grind them and they increase more than blue

[void lintel]

My chests have been giving me a lot of blue. Which is really fortunate since I'm befriending Lillie first... at least to Lv30 for the daily gift upgrade

[worldly ivy]

I'M FREEEEEEEE I CAN JUST FOCUSES ON CACHES AND FIREY CRYSTALS NOWWWW

[next junco]

[next junco]

Goood tho

Im buying gift for lilie too

Almost enough for gold gift and overflow on silver gift

[void lintel]

Next I'm thinking Blue or Cynthia (Champion Supports)... and alternating them with Lillie to spread my expenses between red and blue

[next junco]

Can we do Anni Cynthia in Lodge?

[void lintel]

I think you might still need to have normal Cynthia for it to work...

[next junco]

I dont have normal and plan to get Anni one

[void lintel]

Anni Cynthia lodge photos exist in the files, though...

[next junco]

[void lintel]

I'll be miffed if it's separate

Because Costume Rosa is also in the lodge files and I do not like having to spend on non-fairs

[wind badger]

Til you run out of Silver yellows

[next junco]

Seperated is fine tho

More unit

[void lintel]

I'm already annoyed enough that I don't have Marnie (and every time she has a banner, she shares it with someone else I already do have)

[wind badger]

Must be a filter? Her pose and everything looks similar to OG

[lusty hazel]

So if SC Rosa comes to lodge, she’s getting another pokemon?

[void lintel]

That's not the point; the point is whether she counts as "Cynthia for the lodge" or is her own lodge entry

[next junco]

bruh i cant find a good banner ever since i joint

[void lintel]

????????
Every SC has a new mon

Oh, you mean for Friendship 100?

[next junco]

She is my first on the wish list

[lusty hazel]

Yeaa

[next junco]

[void lintel]

That's a much more interesting question...

[void lintel]

If you're new, Master Fairs are great to start with

[next junco]

may be

[void lintel]

Since you need to expand your roster

[next junco]

I dont need tho

F2p unit enough to clear all content now

[void lintel]

12% 5star rate on a Master Fair means a lot of general-pool drops to give you more options

The 12% overall rate is just as important as the actual exclusive unit on a Master banner

[next junco]

I only need good banner for Marnie now

[next junco]

it is a hoax... I got nothing on SS Lyra Banner when i do pity

[deep tree]

do you get marnie in lodge if you have any copy of her? or only the morpeko one?

[void lintel]

only Morpeko seems to count

...her other variants are seasonals and I hate pulling on those too

Since, well, non-fair. Bad genpool rate

[late sluice]

N stopped our interaction at 89% after max vibes… mf

[next junco]

yup

[late sluice]

let me gift you this damn ferris wheel

[next junco]

Normal tho

[void lintel]

N talks fast, he just finished saying everything he had to say already

[late sluice]

i see others going all the way down to like 30% without their interaction stopping and its pain

[next junco]

I have instantly end after max vibe

[late sluice]

he should be friendship level 10 tomorrow though

i'm embarrassed it took this long

[worldly ivy]

I don't really need them tho (not super pressed for the generic interaction item atm)

[random portal]

as far as I see, SC Rosa and SSACynthia only unlock new Frames for base Cynthia and Rosa

[next junco]

I only have lv 15 lilie

[random portal]

(AKA Lucario and Shaymin sky)

[next junco]

pain how many time i have great

[lusty hazel]

Ohh that’s disappointing

[late sluice]

did the N alts unlock anything for him?

[random portal]

I have him, and am working on him.

but i don't think so?

[late sluice]

aww rip

[next junco]

I just think when do we use gold gift?

[zealous osprey]

Nah not just the frames

[next junco]

[versed birch]

The number of times these interactions end before I can even use a present is pretty frustrating.

[void lintel]

And if you're trying to give a higher-tier present, you'd wanna wait for a lower Attention%... meaning higher chance that the other person drops out

[versed birch]

Yeah, I’m just going for below 80%

[void lintel]

And it's not even that improbable for a dropout before a gift threshold, by my napkin math

[worldly ivy]

Dena needs to like, half the chances of convos ended

[trim sedge]

how hard is it to get the 3* friend key? i have a lot of gems and im debating on summoning on that cynthia banner just for those friend keys, is it worth it? i'll still have plenty to pity both cynthia and red + the paid selects coming soon

[void lintel]

Like, presuming 100% 100% 90% 80% attention, dropping out at 80% before you can give the gift... that's a 28% probability

[versed birch]

Just seems like kinda silly design to have these items that are supposed to help you but you don’t even get the chance to use it optimally

[zealous osprey]

Those are just useless imo

[void lintel]

With 6 interactions, that's likely to happen at least once a day!

[late sluice]

LITERALLY i have the silver ferris wheel and none of my interactions today have even dropped below 70

[worldly ivy]

They unlock the trainer's level cap but like...... no one is even close to level 100 yet so seems like a waste imo

[trim sedge]

alright ty

i'll save my gems then

i wish they just dropped the paid selects on anni day

[void lintel]

Living in trepidation that my pulls on Aura Cynthia and Red-chu will be... less fortunate

But that's another story...

[next junco]

that is why gold gift kinda useless

At least Silver gift can use in mass

[void lintel]

Let's see, with 100% 100% 90% 80% 70% dropout... that's a 49.6% chance of the guest leaving before you can give a gold gift

That's kind of an oof

[worldly ivy]

Tbh even silver gift is hard to use cause they keep wanting to stop talking before I hit 80% attention

[versed birch]

How many lodge stones for the new pair dupes?

[void lintel]

Also, with that probability being very close to 50%... You can see that "they left at 70%!" is a pretty normal result

[void lintel]

100 each

So you give up a Certificate for a dupe

[versed birch]

Oh, that’s nice and cheap

[void lintel]

Perhaps.

[worldly ivy]

Amount of times I've reset over good dialogue choices just because I wanted to give them the gift asap

[versed birch]

Yeah, gift does 3 things and you want to use it at a different time for all 3. Makes it tough.

[cold ferry]

whats the max xp someone got today

[void lintel]

I think I saw someone get 800pts via a 3x interact and really good luck

[next junco]

[versed birch]

Over 200 before gift bonus is a really good round for me

[void lintel]

Yeah, 200+ is blessed af

[next junco]

I just use gift to guaranteer max vibe

Sometime hot topic fail on first 3 topic

[next junco]

Never have one

[void lintel]

I think I got a 200 once, but it might've been with gift bonus, so that's not what we're talking about here...

[next junco]

I got 175 once with glass and shover ... End at 50%

[thorny beacon]

he ties the bags with string and wears them like necklaces. next question

[next junco]

Shovel seem good if you had enough so you can buy it in mass

[thorny beacon]

glasses and shovel are both 100 each of the bronze crystals, right?

[calm aspen]

What should I focus to maximize expedition? 👀

[thorny beacon]

yeah those are weirdly useful for how affordable they are

[glad acorn]

Don't look at me. She quitted know me at 80% next talk

[void lintel]

Yeah, comically cheap

[next junco]

[glad acorn]

Those are cheap. Juice box and ring though

[next junco]

Ring still expensive tho

[thorny beacon]

silver (the trainer and not the crystal tier) gave me a feel ring as a log-in gift the other day

that was nice

[void lintel]

100+100 for juice and ring per interaction... adds up real fast

[next junco]

If you want silver gift all interaction

[cold ferry]

I would not buy the juice

[versed birch]

Starting to feel like the ring isn’t that useful to me

[next junco]

Juice is worst one

[versed birch]

Do you get max vibes a lot anyway?

[glad acorn]

I think I will still do 10/10/10/10 (2 teams) for at least a week before pooling into a color

[next junco]

Since the chance hot topic didnt appear is even higher than you fail it

[cold ferry]

which is the best item

[glad acorn]

Juice guarantees max vibe, so it's hard to not use it

[next junco]

Glass

[thorny beacon]

imo the glasses are the most useful

[cold ferry]

and its like cheap

[next junco]

Cheap and nessesary

[versed birch]

Insight specs seem pretty great but they do work better when combo’d with others

[thorny beacon]

i also usually get the shovel because it is the same price

[cold ferry]

the 2 bronze items are good so I would buy them, and The only sliver one I would buy is the ring

[void lintel]

With omni all day and cheer for a bit under half the day, I get more bronze stones than I can plausibly spend... so may as well throw glasses and shovel-microphones everywhere willy-nilly

[next junco]

Yes

I had enough glass and bronze gift for next 2 reset with 12 interaction

Bruh grind is easy

[thorny beacon]

expeditions if they let us replace the potion boosts whenever we want:

[glad acorn]

Don't forget the presents

That's 400 bronze a piece

[next junco]

300 only

[void lintel]

...And you can't even use them every time

Lillie dipped out on me before the present threshold at least twice today

[next junco]

can buy at least 3-4 per day if you run 1 max blue

[glad acorn]

Damn, she a busy girl

[next junco]

Lilie has short attention tho

I have great half of the interaction

[glad acorn]

Quitting on first drop is definitely brutal

[next junco]

[void lintel]

22 points. A 5, a 7, and a 10.

[cold ferry]

i dont think that happens with the dig shovel

[void lintel]

And then she left

[void lintel]

I had the shovel on

[thorny beacon]

i mean. ouch

[void lintel]

All three were Hot Topics (this was an attempt to see how it'd go without juice)

[thorny beacon]

that weezing was too large

here you go instead

that sucks 😭

[void lintel]

This Weezing is very large

[glad acorn]

Clearly a gmax

[cold ferry]

Hot Topics and 10 Points?

[next junco]

Can use gift for 1 more topic spawn

[void lintel]

They were at 100% for the first two chats
The third chat dropped her below 100% and prompted her to leave

[wind badger]

Honestly shouldve been the default. Let us overwrite the current boost whenever

[cold ferry]

6 slots on both accounts im chilling

[next junco]

just leave immediately?

[void lintel]

So if it was a hot topic, it would be -5%, and then the shovel subtracts 2% so that's -3%

[thorny beacon]

actually in order to unlock that feature you need to trade in 4000 each of the tiers above gold

[next junco]

Lilie hates you confirmed

[void lintel]

So she left at 97%

[cold ferry]

usually with the shovel it doesnt drop with blue

[void lintel]

Re-enactment

[wind badger]

Pretty sure same would happen in real life

[glad acorn]

That 3% sure burns

[void lintel]

...Against all expectations, including my own, I'm a chick magnet in real life.

No, I don't know how either

But y'know the old trope about a dude who has a harem of girls vying for his attention but he's completely oblivious to it? That happened to me once... and possibly more than once. My life is weird

[thorny beacon]

🧲 🐤 🐤 🐤 🐤

[glad acorn]

I guess my analogue of Jenga is on the spot. You can just crumble on the stack on first few moves

[void lintel]

I have a photo of the harem I'm less sure about

[wind badger]

Chicks are like land mines, one wrong word and you dead bruh

[void lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527384700206186508/864639238204030986/unknown.png

This is the one I'm less sure about

[cold ferry]

Imagine if they add more teams, Like base omni one for 100 4 star crystals lol

[void lintel]

Some years later, I confirmed that at least three, possibly more girls in my new friend group had all held romantic affection to me at the same time

And I was not aware of it until way too late

[wind badger]

Cool story bro

[cold ferry]

and Teams with a increased discovery cap for a certain crystal, like lvl 20 and you can get the 4 starcrystals

[void lintel]

So... I used to think "oblivious harem" was a stupid wish-fulfillment trope, but after having it happen to me... welp, I can't say shit about it anymore

[fierce mica]

wtf there's 3 keys thats being pressed but only 2 visible fingers being active in that piano lol

[void lintel]

Right index finger, obscured behind a black key

Poor form, yes, but I wasn't exactly looking at the keyboard

Anyway, getting back on topic...

[pastel swallow]

still love this streak

[void lintel]

With my current 7.14% estimated cache droprate on tier2 and tier3 stones each... it might be possible to find an estimated daily yield

[glad acorn]

Speaking of topic, is there one that is just better with more options?

[glad acorn]

Damn

[random portal]

what do you mean?

[glad acorn]

Say, Friends have 10 choices while Others have 9 choices. Which makes it more feasible to start with Friends

[random portal]

all i know is that in the Pins, there's a list/infographic of every character's likes and dislikes. a Hot topic is completely random each time so there's no guarantee which one it is.... with that said, let me count each topic for research

[pastel swallow]

honestly

this is a very toned down version of the usual dating sim

the real one would have minus heart points lol

[glad acorn]

-100 Attention because the pair is moody

[pastel swallow]

[fickle fox]

just got 25 caches

[pastel swallow]

actually

[random portal]

oh yikes.....

so apparently some topics aren't even available for certain characters

[pastel swallow]

was wondering if anyone has tried 2 teams with level 10 rare cache , but able to buy at least bronze present, glasses and feel ring x6 everyday

[cold ferry]

ok so with 6 Interactions the max from the people I see are 16 Lvls

2 Weeks

[glad acorn]

That seems impossible. The real hurdle is the 2star crystals

[pastel swallow]

yea

[cold ferry]

Pin the first Person to get a lodge sync pair

Do lvl 6

[flat prairie]

i personally run 5/5/1/10 and 1/1/9/10, but don't think it would be enough to x6 everyday

[cold ferry]

lvl 6 has 45% for sliver

though 1-2

[glad acorn]

And you know cache. You can get 60000 coins for rewards

[zealous osprey]

5/5 is less efficient than rotating 10/0 0/10

[pastel swallow]

i think can do this maybe once every week

[glad acorn]

Oh great, more sync orbs. Whatever would I do with these?

I think I will keep my team for one week and see how the economy goes

[cold ferry]

lvl 7 is better for sliver actually

[shrewd gorge]

I’m so pressed N just ended the interaction at 91%

[zealous osprey]

Lv8 is the optimal as lv 9 has the exact same expectation

[pastel swallow]

6 members per team?

[glad acorn]

9% is as good chance of a flamethrower burn

[shrewd gorge]

Lmfaooo true

And entei got that shit all the time in LG

[pastel swallow]

im just curious how they do the rng rate for dropping

[long nymph]

guys which region can easily do 10 blue and 10 rare chest drop rate?

[glad acorn]

Too bad you can't reset this

[pastel swallow]

so 91% attention means 91% of not dropping?

[shrewd gorge]

Yes

[pastel swallow]

oooo

lmao

[glad acorn]

So 9% to drop. Which is painful

[shrewd gorge]

I have a bunch of random chars together for 0/0/10/10

[flat prairie]

just a little better (considering you get cheering often and so it's lvl 6 instead) ||and more important i'm too lazy to change the team regularly||

[flat prairie]

yep

[pastel swallow]

honestly just use omni potions

[pastel swallow]

based plum Ex

[long nymph]

thanks 😄 so it needs to be random...i need tosee replacement for gioking

[glad acorn]

I absentmindedly check jp videos for lodge, and I see some going for 10 caches per team, with 3 slots

[pastel swallow]

actually i did that and it works

[zealous osprey]

Not just a little bit. Lv 5’s rate per minute is 0.35 while lv 10’s is 0.95, rotating simply divide that by 2, so

[pastel swallow]

cos when u get gold items from rare chest u are definitely saving more time to farm

[gray verge]

Caches can cover the farming you would do for stones

[pastel swallow]

its usually by 100s

[zealous osprey]

And cheers are only effective for half of the day, which means you are essentially a 5.5 instead of a 6

[pastel swallow]

so its alot

[gray verge]

Both my teams are lv10 cache, and each of them is LV 10 in some stones

[pastel swallow]

possible to show your teams

[long nymph]

But caches cannot drop the lowest rarity mats right? The bronze...so i had to do some tri color farming to get the expansion at first

[cold ferry]

Im going for red whats the best team

[pastel swallow]

ive feeling u must have ss gio

hes good for farming

[glad acorn]

I will still spread out since we need more rings and juice

[flat prairie]

lvl 10 is 0.85, and lvl 6 is 0.55 so basically almost the same in average

[pastel swallow]

juice is bs

just get rings and glasses

[long nymph]

I manage to do team A 10 yellow 10 chest sinnoh team...and team B 10 red 10 chest alola team

[pastel swallow]

but honestly

[gray verge]

I prefer juice + glasses

[pastel swallow]

your first thing to do before expanding slots is max daily exchange interactions

that should be the pirority

cos extra 3 interactions is alot

[zealous osprey]

Oh yeah you are right about 0.85

[glad acorn]

Then again without items, more interactions won't help

[pastel swallow]

at least it boosts levels

minimum if u are very unlucky 3 interactions= 2 levels

[glad acorn]

And cache is still rng. I am low on blue crystals myself

[flat prairie]

just checked the odds, if you get a cheering per day then 5/5 is even better than alternate 10/0 and 0/10

[pastel swallow]

of cos pirority goes to rare chest and bet on their huge items

it really saves u time

than farming

especially the gold ones

[zealous osprey]

Yeah ur right

[glad acorn]

If we can guarantee the number of ontopic needed to initiate max vibe, then yes, I will drop the juice

[pastel swallow]

max vibe

just choose hot topic> ideal ans

i chose that it really did manage to bring me far

[cold ferry]

took like 3.5 days to get all slots

[glad acorn]

What if hot topic but average answer? That counts?

[pastel swallow]

yes

[pastel swallow]

my answer was the most shit but activated max vibes

[glad acorn]

Guess we just have to get into vibes. Just like idle talks

[pastel swallow]

once vibe is gone

go for ideal answers> hot topics

[gray verge]

But is the ring useful? Hot topic will appear eventually, just spam +10 point answers until it does

[pastel swallow]

yea

ring is useful for me at least

but juice is bs

[glad acorn]

I'd wager ring will always offer a hot topic so you can float on higher attention longer

[pastel swallow]

juice would be op if u can chain max vibes

but we just confirmed we cant chain

[glad acorn]

Since hot topic spends half attention

[wide sorrel]

Juice help with rng cause if your interaction end before you get a max vibe that would suck

[gray verge]

And you can end up using the ring to gamble for more points but they just end interaction before you get max vibes

[glad acorn]

3 more hours until we get to pester talk with the pairs

[past dune]

I farmed caches since start and I only farmed like 300 silver crystals and 100 gold crystals total because the chests just covered that much so it's confusing when keep believing it's bad :v

[glad acorn]

It's a silly mode but I'm sucker for new things

[past dune]

I unlocked all my slots maybe a day late

[glad acorn]

Is that supposed to say cache is good or bad?

[past dune]

farmed as in I put slots toward regular crystal farming

I pretty much unboxed slot 2 and 3

[glad acorn]

How are your stocks for extra interactions?

[past dune]

all while getting the extra interactions during it, althrough I only got like 10 5* tickets during it so outside of lodge not much

[glad acorn]

That's the main point of going cache first

[past dune]

too many of those crystals now lol

i have like 40 each?

[glad acorn]

Fair enough

[past dune]

a little more actually

[glad acorn]

I think I still can suffice extra interactions with 10 cache right now

[past dune]

you definitely get surplus for sure

[glad acorn]

Yeah, no problem here either

Maybe I will try cutting on juice

[past dune]

one color is always so low 😔

[raw hare]

How good is it?? Two cache team

[glad acorn]

Looks great. Though I think you can try Royal Mask somewhere in team alola to not rely on cheer

[raw hare]

I don't have him yet

[past dune]

dam it be like that

[raw hare]

This is how it is

Luckily... I have many coins

[void lintel]

I just did some spreadsheeting, with the estimated tier2/tier3 stone droprate from those 56 samples I had before. Here's the results

Avg of 450ish 2star stones per color per day for Cache Lv10
Avg of 170ish 3star stones per color per day for Cache Lv10

This is if the "4 drops in 56 samples" figure is close to the true value, anyway

Doubling up on Cache Lv10s would of course double up on this income

[glad acorn]

At least now the regional scout got an update so you have a chance to nab him there.

[void lintel]

Cache spawn rates were copied from the datamine

[glad acorn]

Cache is sinisterly low, that's for sure

[frank thicket]

170 for 24 hours is crazy low

💩

[raw hare]

I want more interactions... if I had way many... I can focus on the blue one

[void lintel]

For any one color, perhaps. It's a bit above 500 distributed across the three.

[frank thicket]

need 1k for the item boost, so about 5 days just for 1 item

[past dune]

not getting more interactions is crazy bad tho

more interactions while working towards all slots 👌

[void lintel]

...If you literally had only one team and it had Lv10 Cache plus 0 of everything else, sure

[glad acorn]

I mean, if you pool resources on two teams, that's 340 per day

[frank thicket]

thats what i have, +10 cache on chest

[glad acorn]

Yeah, still 3 days but at least you don't need to worry about tier 2

[frank thicket]

chest meta

[past dune]

I had full chest since the start of this with both teams and unlocked all slots this morning so

[void lintel]

Your teams sound very weak then

You should be able to get 10 chest +10 of another color on each team

[past dune]

it's not bad to unlock slots and get some potentially good loot

[frank thicket]

u can get 10/7 ?

[void lintel]

I had 9/7/2/10 today with cheer

[glad acorn]

10/10 cache is feasible

[raw hare]

Here... I will show you a scrapbook

[frank thicket]

[glad acorn]

At least for red and yellow

Blue and cache don't mix

[void lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012298913279127582/1013483213865357452/Screenshot_20220828-122015.png

[frank thicket]

4/5 units i want are red so i went 10 red

and 10 chest

and then 5th unit is blue so i did 10 blue/10 chest

[glad acorn]

Damn strike meta

[void lintel]

Anyway... Color Lv10 gets you ~720 tier3 stones of that color in a day

So with caches giving you ~500 spread across the three colors per day, that's not so bad

[past dune]

720tier 3 a day? man that 1.5x friendship points present seems impossible to have everyday lol

[frank thicket]

thats what i like to see

[glad acorn]

Sounds about right. I clocked on hourly and I got 29 tier3

[past dune]

feels like my choose to focus on the 1.3x present was good

[void lintel]

Source for that 720 figure is here (basically multiplying the datamined rate table by 1440 minutes per day)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012298913279127582/1013468649316696145/dailyexpectedexpeditionstuff.PNG

Uh, let me see who posted it

Seems it was this person

[glad acorn]

All those maths in this channel. It's ironic

[alpine flare]

You know what they say

Friendship is mathematics

[past dune]

more minmaxxing and math done than for the main game 🤔

[alpine flare]

Just like that pony show

[glad acorn]

Gut feeling? Believe in math

[void lintel]

...Nah, main game is still more mathed out

[glad acorn]

Reminds me of that one story. Let me see if Internet has it

[void lintel]

We just already have the tools to do the math for us

[worldly ivy]

Didn't get a cheer prompt on team A all day today dena I'm standing outside your HQs with a baseball bat

[past dune]

this feels necessary while as math for the main game is more to flex a units damage instead of trying to fulfill a problem

[frank thicket]

the main series damage formula is crazy

i looked at the picture and knew immediately to not even try to understand it

[void lintel]

It's not that crazy, everything is just multiplicative/divisive in an intuitive way

[frank thicket]

im kinda dumb

[void lintel]

Move power, Sp/Atk, and attacker level all multiplied together. If there's a weakpoint or other effect, multiply those in too.
Divide by enemy Sp/Defense.

...And I'm pretty sure that's basically it.

[glad acorn]

thank you, Internet. You delivered

[past dune]

what

[void lintel]

Like, you don't need to have most of the info in your head

[glad acorn]

I read it in a book before. I just went

[hard badger]

Do we know how much the dupes for units cost? Not sure if I should be saving 4* candies for them

[void lintel]

Just that "is my Atk twice as high? I do double damage"

"Is the enemy's Def half as high as before? I do double damage"

[cold ferry]

100

[void lintel]

"Does this move have twice as much power as the other? I do double damage"

[frank thicket]

i saw a video from freezai about why lc onix takes 5% from aqua jet in sun and just got confused

where i saw the formula from

[void lintel]

Aqua Jet is phys and Onix has comically high def

Aqua Jet doesn't have very much move power

Onix is double-weak but Sun halves water, so that's mitigating too

[knotty nymph]

little cup damage calcs are weird

[alpine flare]

I don’t really think you need to show a damage formula to say a high def mon in sun will take less water damage lol

[void lintel]

So yeah, I can believe that Onix in sun can facetank Aqua Jet pretty well

[knotty nymph]

The game really wasn't designed w/ level 5 mons in mind lol

which is why lc calcs are so wack

[void lintel]

Oh, Little Cup

[frank thicket]

yeah thats what freeza conclusion was and also pokemon rounds down on damage calcs

the damage roll is like 5% to 50%??? or some other high number

[void lintel]

Sounds potentially hilarious but also potentially very frustrating for everyone involved

[knotty nymph]

even at leve 50 I think you have more variations in dmg rolls than level 100

then again I also haven't played smogon singles since cinderace and magearna became absolute menaces

[void lintel]

...Ah. I nearly forgot to check the main hecking thing I made that spreadsheet to check.

[knotty nymph]

completely lost interest in SWSH OU bc it just isn't as fun as the previous gens

[void lintel]

Rare Lv7-10 Tier2 stone droprates

Let's see, double that for two teams with Lv10 rare...

2x Cache Lv10 can cover ~900 of the 1200 tier2 stones it'd cost per day, to get 6 juiceboxes and 6 rings per day. ...if you don't just savescum to skip the need for juiceboxes

[neat olive]

Hi,

Who's the best one to build friendship with?

[void lintel]

Blue and Cynthia have useful new Lv100 Frienship mons (Support)

Lillie has a potentially useful Fairy Tech

[knotty nymph]

probably depends on your needs. Do you like LG? Need a fairy nuke?

[void lintel]

Sycamore's Bulbasaur is not that useful but sounds like fun

[knotty nymph]

N is a sleep mon and therefore OP in LG

enough said

[void lintel]

May's new Wailmer is almost completely pointless because you need to already have her Swampert to get to it

Silver and Rosa also have water attackers as their new mons

[knotty nymph]

Silver is a flincher that can freeze or nuke as needed

[void lintel]

I think Rosa was mainly a budget Unovan alternative to Nessa

Razor Shell nuke shenanigans, that is

Let's see, I don't have Marnie so I can't check what her Toxicroak does...

[knotty nymph]

marnie is a pretty basic poison striker. She's kinda like looker crogunk

[glad acorn]

Hold it. They already have the cache drop rate?

[knotty nymph]

she's on pomas tools btw

[void lintel]

Cache spawn rate per level yes
Cache contents droprate, not exactly

That one 47-cache unbox guy? I added up all the drops, and then 10 more from Sages for good measure, and hoped that gave a close-enough-to-the-real-value droprate

[knotty nymph]

blue is a crit + def + atk support than can flinch so also a good LG option

[void lintel]

With Pep Rally.

On grid, at least

[knotty nymph]

he's better than i expected huh

[void lintel]

Blue's Exeggutor is surprisingly good yeah

Lemme open pomatools and see if I can find more details

[knotty nymph]

I still prefer N to him for husbando reasons ( and sleep ) but he's a decent pick I guess

[void lintel]

And yeah, this TM is not only 2/2 MP, you want MPR to use that TM a third time each battle anyway

[neat olive]

I'm gonna go with blue then. Initiall went with silver

[void lintel]

(IIRC the quote in that TM is followed by Blue's other catchphrase: "I'm the strongest Trainer in the world!")

(...His main catchphrase being "smell ya later!")

[neat olive]

For silver, with his passives, what's the flinch/freeze chance?

[knotty nymph]

40% freeze w/ grid

40% flinch too

[neat olive]

Def down?

[glad acorn]

Sounds like Entei will hate Silver

[knotty nymph]

also 40%

[void lintel]

40% might be the highest freeze chance in the game so far

IIRC no other source goes above 30%

[knotty nymph]

Nah holiday leon too

[void lintel]

Oh, okay

I keep forgetting seasonals exist.

...I guess if Holiday Leon is tied for the highest at 40%, then my statement is still technically true

[knotty nymph]

40% chance but he's aoe

[void lintel]

Oooh!

[neat olive]

So 40 across the board is that reliable? Probably not for def down, right since others have guaranteed

[void lintel]

That might win in the end

[cold ferry]

best lodge pair?

[knotty nymph]

I don't remember if cold snaps chance gets lowered bc of aoe. I don't think so?

[void lintel]

The most useful ones seem to be
Blue and Cynthia with handy-looking supports
N for another sleep-spam shenanigans-er
and Lillie for a Fairy-type sync snipe

[knotty nymph]

I've seen other people freeze w/ him 3v3 often enough that I assume it doesn't get lowered

[void lintel]

It doesn't; it evaluates the chance and then applies it to "everyone you hit with Glaciate just now"

[narrow bridge]

why some lodge interactions end quickly even 80% attention

[knotty nymph]

RNG

[void lintel]

So if it procs freeze, and you hit all three enemies with that Glaciate... all three freeze together

[knotty nymph]

Fun

[void lintel]

...It can be tricky since Glaciate has a small chance to whiff.

[glad acorn]

Just like how you get burned with the first flamethrower? Exactly that

[void lintel]

So you lock two enemies down but one can still fight back...

...And the way this game's turn system is, that means you didn't really disable the enemy team meaningfully at all

[narrow bridge]

ehhh??? lodge is still a game of luck like scouting pulls?

[knotty nymph]

yes

[void lintel]

80% attention dropout is not as improbable as it looks

[knotty nymph]

I've had a 95% drop before

wack asf

[void lintel]

If we include the ~90% attention turn before the 80%, then you actually have a ~28% chance for the convo to fail by the end of the 80% turn

Later on, you'll be able to do 6 convos per day (when your tier4 stone income is high enough to buy the extra 3 interactions daily)

So... if you do them separately rather than bundled...

...That's going to happen an average of at least once per day

[knotty nymph]

rip

[glad acorn]

If you get real lucky, you end the conversation at 9%. Not lucky? Enjoy 97%

[narrow bridge]

bruuuhhh

i thought convo ends if i keep picking topics that the trainer dont like

[void lintel]

Attention% is the ConversationWon'tEndYet%

And this is tested before each turn

[glad acorn]

That would be if the pair will actually frown and leave. The usual dating sim

[void lintel]

So your first chance to fail is between turn 3 and 4

[glad acorn]

But this ain't your usual dating sim.

[fallen tundra]

I don't get this trainder lodge

[void lintel]

It's "not" dating, but my second convo with Lillie was a nighttime stroll through the town, and that was datelike af

[glad acorn]

Lodge is just another name to dodge that hot topic

[lucid steppe]

considering that a lot of characters in the game are minors, it was a good decision

[void lintel]

Better lodge a complaint

[fallen tundra]

Wat pairs to do for expeditions

[void lintel]

Try to build at least one color to Lv10 on each team

[fallen tundra]

Which colourq

[glad acorn]

Have you done your slots? If not, build up level 10 to grind crystals

All colors are needed

[void lintel]

Cycle the colors as needed until you can buy out the team slots; with more slots, you might be able to have two colors at Lv10 on each team at the same time

[fallen tundra]

I only stated 3hrs ago

[void lintel]

every color is needed

So pick two and cycle them

[fallen tundra]

Which pair

[void lintel]

Filter your roster for each color

Before you do it, though:

[deep tree]

[glad acorn]

Just use filter to go for all those with +3 -1

[fallen tundra]

Ok

[void lintel]

Team A has +1 bonuses to red and yellow
Team B (both teams explore at the same time) has +1 bonuses to blue and treasure

[fallen tundra]

I see

I bought 300 omni extract

[void lintel]

Also, you can buy (for coins) potions that buff the team's color levels for 24hrs
Only one potion can be active and you can't change/overwrite until the prev one expires

[void lintel]

He's_A_Little_Confused_But_He's_Got_The_Spirit.png

Omni's the most useful extract anyway

[fallen tundra]

Really?

[void lintel]

So with Omni and the teamslot color bonus, you really only need to stack up to 8

[fallen tundra]

Thank god lol

[glad acorn]

That's the right choice. At least you didn't buy any of the others

Me with 100 stock each

[void lintel]

A case could be made for using the Rare extract instead

[fallen tundra]

[void lintel]

But yeah you can figure that out later when you actually know what you're doing

[fallen tundra]

Wat is rare extract

[void lintel]

It's the extract for the treasure

[glad acorn]

The purple one. For chest

[void lintel]

The fourth color

Because that one's more annoying to build for

[fallen tundra]

Wat that chest do

[void lintel]

Rare chance of a treasure

[fallen tundra]

It doesn't needed for slot buy

[void lintel]

Treasure is the only source of tier4 stones

Which buy you extra convos each day

[glad acorn]

And also chances for 5star power ups

[void lintel]

(The tier4 droprate is pretty good; something like 50% of treasure chests will contain tier4 stones)

[glad acorn]

Someone are gonna miss out on them because they refuse to lodge

[verbal prairie]

Are interaction Counts (the thing gives more Interactions) the best of Stones ?

[void lintel]

Usually!

If you happen to have an excess of Stones in your trainer's favored type, you can also spend one on a tier3 present

[fallen tundra]

I see thanks for the information

[glad acorn]

More interactions are good. That helps with levelling

[void lintel]

Need to get ready for work tomorrow... see you later folks

[fallen tundra]

Now which trainee good to level up

See you later

[verbal prairie]

which of the "chaep" items are worth getting? insight specs, boost juice, dig it shovels, feel ring?

[void lintel]

The most useful ones seem to be
Blue and Cynthia with handy-looking supports
N for another sleep-spam shenanigans-er
and Lillie for a Fairy-type sync snipe

[fallen tundra]

Ok

[glad acorn]

Or just go with your favorites

[fallen tundra]

Cynthia will get all my attention then

[glad acorn]

Never skip favorites for meta

[fallen tundra]

Hehe I simp Cynthia anyway

[deep tree]

so the drop rate from the rare cache is unknown? server side or still un-mined?

[long nymph]

wow, its only few days since lodge introduction and my rosa is already 24....i overestimated that probably need a month to level 100 a pair

[knotty nymph]

I'm at 20 for N

will hopefully be at 25 or 26 tonight

[next junco]

does anyone know how many bronze crystal we will get from lv 10 slot between 2 reset?

[long nymph]

at least now there will be more value for certain limited pairs we have just...do i need to pull for cynthia garchomp? i doesnt like garchomp much, but having her means another pair unlocked in lodge...maybe i should just wait till every other pairs already lvl 100

[next junco]

Wait will get you more pair in monthly scout tho

For now only Marnie and N with 0.45 %

[knotty nymph]

cynthia is actually pretty good now... at 3/5

[deep tree]

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[kind marlin]

Vanter don’t pull for non favs!!!

[long nymph]

i already have N and Marnie, but i only collect legendaries, mythicals, UBs so it kinda breach of principles

[knotty nymph]

fair

[long nymph]

maybe i just wait for something like anime collab again

and pick cynthia there

[knotty nymph]

I'm also a cynthia fan so i'm biased

[long nymph]

i have cynthia giratina

because its a legendary

[knotty nymph]

rolling for shaymin?

[long nymph]

yep

[knotty nymph]

hf

[long nymph]

so i skipped the pikachus and lucario

[knotty nymph]

fair

[next junco]

Nice so 6 glass and 3-4 gift

Per reset

Didnt know lv 10 and 9, 8 will be that different in gold

[knotty nymph]

anyone get a 5* pu or scout tickets from the chests yet? i got a 3* pu once

[next junco]

Anyone has good 0/0/10/10 team A?

[knotty nymph]

idk if that's even possible

[next junco]

May be 0/0/9/9

[kind marlin]

I was able to get a 0/0/10/9 iirc

But I’ve since swapped that out

[next junco]

No cheer?

[kind marlin]

No cheer

[next junco]

Show me pls

[kind marlin]

Sorry I don’t have it anymore

[next junco]

[kind marlin]

I think I used Gen 4 and 8 pairs

[thick widget]

you can check the pin for recommended teams

[next junco]

Blue for team A

Dont think people do that

[kind marlin]

Oh for team A?

Nah

[thick widget]

how many slots do you have?

the doc is in the pin

[next junco]

6

[thick widget]

just check it

[next junco]

Seem like cant do without SSKris