Resource Saving Support (Gem Zen)

[thorny pelican]

who's Ian lol

screw that guy

[lunar topaz]

J and I are slightly close 🦑

[thorny pelican]

grubby gem grabber

[lunar topaz]

Dang poor Ian

I am being reminded of my johtrio Mf experience and it has me worried for this month

I really detest not being at 36.6K lel

But they still provide me immense satisfaction I was able to get my favs so I think j can bare not having 2 pities or one

[thorny pelican]

I know these are your favorites but please consider that the next coming months are going to be tough

After December is January - which will be the most likely skip month due to Paulo Interlude and uggu Kimono Units

But February will hit and it will be Palentines, Spotlights, possible Master Fairs/Pokefairs, and 3.5 anniversary

then March will hit and that's a likely spot for Kalos VA

Afterwards will be Spring Events with easter units

[tardy fiber]

I thought paulo interlude is on December

[lunar topaz]

Ye I’m aware lel and the fact Kalos arc is very likely next I’m in eveb more danger

[tardy fiber]

So January got chance for VA?

[lunar topaz]

Last year Jan was a Va but if they didn’t announce in dev letter maybe not?

[tardy fiber]

Well they can announce on dec 25 letter

[thorny pelican]

Oh yeah Paulo Interlude is December

Fantastic we can rush to the next VA

Sooner Paulo Interlude ends the better

[tardy fiber]

Cannot wait for hoopa unbound in paulo interlude

I gonna skip everything on December

[lunar topaz]

When was the last time you had a safe month Vantner?

[tardy fiber]

I forgot lemme check my legendary list

I think sclillie month

Oh neat

They rerun unity gala ebe

[signal axle]

I’m not sure if I want to get Anni N or one of the neo champion kalos units

I think I have enough for one of them

And all of them I kinda want and I know it’s master scam fair

[lean mango]

I don't know who to give a higher priority in the Anni reruns, on whether I should do N > Steven or Steven > N

[thorny pelican]

There's much to acknowledge but plenty of time to prepare.

Consider the following:

• The new Master Fairs will last a month's time. You'll be able to sit through another Datamine and accumulate the month's resources to understand if they're something you really want or if you can pass them.
• Master Fairs are now being rerun, but to a scale of unknown. We might be seeing a lot more Master Fairs every now and again, but it's important to assume we might not see things like the 2nd Anniversary Master Fairs until next or two years from now.
• Like always, Master Fairs are extremely popular and powerful - but does not owning them mean you cannot surpass any of the rewarding content the game currently has or will have in the near future? No - it's all passable with the Earned Sync Pairs and Scout Ticket Sync Pairs

[broken mulch]

Iirc the 2nd Annie banners last 2 months?

And they start at the end of the month

[timber wren]

also good to mention that the 2nd anni MFs will last thru the february datamine at the end of jan too

[thorny pelican]

It will last through the February Datamine and include the "Run up to 3.5 Anniversary" gem rewards - but will most likely not include the 3.5 Anniversary Sync Pairs or any content involved with it

[timber wren]

for sure

them lasting that long will put a lot of people in bad saving positions for 3.5 anni

[thorny pelican]

it was their plan all along

[broken mulch]

Gotta wring them all

[thorny pelican]

• Droll out content for October
• Make November seem like the best deal to invest in with a unit that can inflict 5 types of Rebuff, the new mechanic, on opponents
• Entice players with a popular character, N, with a powerful-looking Ice Type that is featured in the VA
• Sprinkle on a new, unappealing banner called Variety Pairs to give players incentive to think "Well, Hilbert and N are the best we're gonna get" to reroute spending focus...

💥 THEN BAM 💥

Five Master Fairs in a month.

Haha yeah you ain't got enough gems for this nonsense
~DeNA, 2022

[tough oriole]

Wow that’s a really interesting hypothesis for Variety scouts

[tardy fiber]

January also have select scouts

[lean mango]

I don't wanna spend too much on the MFs cause losing gems make me anxious and so I have to choose one over the other in case of the unfortunate, but no the question is which one

[signal axle]

I swear if January/February is Kalos Villain Event

[sly breach]

Ok only 1 pity chance so ampharous or lunala?

[tardy fiber]

Including these guys, i will already skip 5 MF or should i count 6 as i gonna skip leonzard as well

[timber wren]

which character/pokémon do you like better? do you like either of them enough to justify spending all of your gems and having very little saved for half anni?

[chrome nest]

https://youtube.com/shorts/gjnV9HjTfng?feature=share why you should always save gems

[sly breach]

I usually pull on usability

I heard lily is like crazy good

[tardy fiber]

And due to pokefair and seasonal faves having strength almost comparable to master fairs, i feel comfortable to skip non faves MF

[timber wren]

she’s fine for on type ghost damage, definitely not a wildly broken unit but your question would be better served in #poma-questions if it’s purely about “meta value”

[tough oriole]

Also my name is getting too full lol

[timber wren]

out of the five MFs running this upcoming month she and steven would be the ones i recommend least for versatility

[reef river]

Honestly i hardly consider the 2nd anni pairs as part of december

Its literally starting after when we will get jan datamine

[tough oriole]

If they’re favs then great, if not, they’re irrelevant

[timber wren]

also true, we’ll most likely have the next update before we even see their banners start

[reef river]

If anything its just a sneak peek

[tough oriole]

I’ve been waiting forever to get a couple of them, so this is literally the biggest thing ever

[tardy fiber]

Yep because they rely on super effective buff

[broken mulch]

You can make do with other special ghost types if you miss Annie Lillie, though she has the niche of MoongeistBeam having the properties of Piercing Blows

[chrome nest]

I really want to yolo on Christmas and hopefully succeed but I know I’m an idiot

[tough oriole]

Who do you want? And why?

[tardy fiber]

Talking about ghost, Agatha got new sick grids

[chrome nest]

Superstition of good luck on special days

[broken mulch]

Fantina too

[timber wren]

fantina is a really viable ghost striker ex now

[tardy fiber]

Neat i haven't check fantina

[timber wren]

with the grid and ex upgrades they give out free every month for units that most players have easy access too it becomes easier to skip gacha banners

for gameplay reasons, ofc

[chrome nest]

It worked last year don’t know if it’ll work again

[tardy fiber]

Gonna hopium for Gladion treatment similar to kris and fantina

[tough oriole]

[lean mango]

Gladion grid boost

[tardy fiber]

Oh when lodge serena will arrives?

[tough oriole]

On the 30th

[broken mulch]

Damn that soon?

[tough oriole]

Specifically at <t:1669788000:f>

[broken mulch]

Luckily I’ll be done with my last lodge by then haha

[tardy fiber]

Neat so i still need to interact with may this reset

[lean mango]

20/20 Roxie here i come

[tardy fiber]

I only left 120 after 20/20 bugsy/noland/agatha

[tough oriole]

Also wow you actually have a skip month, thank goodness

[tardy fiber]

Well it does come occasionally

[lean mango]

Also from the tally I can get 10 which is satisfying enough

[tough oriole]

Also i can afford 20 gold interaction items for lodge serena lol, there aren’t many techs

[tardy fiber]

Oh right so all move coins will be +1 for me this month due to lodge serena

Neat

Can 3/5 2 pairs

[mental skiff]

Nice jasmine event start on 14th and end on 29th so datamine come first

[lean mango]

Every unit Dec lasts till Datamine right?

[mental skiff]

Seem like it is the case

oh misread all unit end in a month so jasmine end on 14th Jan

[lofty relic]

if you're looking at the summary, hover on desktop or tap on mobile the "in a month" rectangle to get the exact date and hour

all last 'till january other than the select, and next datamine should be around the 22nd because offices close for christmas holidays

[mental skiff]

thanks

Oh end on Jan 1st

[tardy fiber]

Wow 2 months of annisteven/anniN/annilillie

I like that duration thank you dena, although i already have all of them but its good to see a long ample time for people to pity

[mental skiff]

actually it is 1 month and few days

[tardy fiber]

Well but you already know it early

Pretty sure you can get if you skip those frogs

I don't mind if we know their arrival earlier, so more ample time to save

[mental skiff]

dont have feeling for any of them and they're MF so huge no for me

[deep yacht]

I have a question regarding gem count, how is it possible to get 27k in a month like what would i have to do

[tardy fiber]

Hope next year's anniv doesn't revert back to three Legendaries/mythicals/UBs faves ...i will be broke

Do every content that appears and that includes clearing EBE as well

[deep yacht]

Whats ebe?

[tardy fiber]

Extreme battle event

[deep yacht]

I try to do this but i get like at least around 4k a month im not sure what im doing wrong

[tardy fiber]

The hard battle challenge that are used to promote their released banner units

[deep yacht]

Ah gotcha but it's still do-able with other units right?

[tardy fiber]

How? We get 100 gems from daily missions and there's also login calendars gems...so getting 4k means you only do that and ignore other contents and events

Bvilla give a bunch of gems as well

[deep yacht]

Bvilla is what i always skip

(Mainly cause i always forget its there)

[tardy fiber]

Also gems from events like recent unova villain arc all give gems

[deep yacht]

Also what i usually do is do whatever event is up but i cant complete extreme battle challenges so perhaps thats my downfall? I also dont do CS much or the legendary gauntlet

[deep yacht]

Yeah somehow i managed to clear it ima double check what i havent done

[tardy fiber]

EBE only give around 600 gems as its 300 gems per difficulty level...csmm doesn't give gems and gauntlet also didn't give any gems

They give 14 days to clear villa

[deep yacht]

Oh, so it was good of me to skip em

[deep yacht]

Do i have to complete the whole thing to get the gems? Or just the ones that reward em with it

(Sorry didnt mean to ping)

[tardy fiber]

Every 5 floors give gems

[drowsy saddle]

If you're new and/or not sure how to clear certain content, make sure to visit #poma-questions and #1009553004350931054 to ask for help

[tardy fiber]

There's 30 floors in total

Yep can ask at #1009564564821639379

[deep yacht]

Thank you, i'll take your advice in mind when i go to clear events since i usually just skip certain parts hopefully for dec i can actually get the 27k

[tardy fiber]

You probably skipped most events as only getting 4k out of 26k gems on november also didn't twitter rally gives 3k gems

So you only get 1k gems on November?

[drowsy saddle]

Just try clearing any stage with red ! mark. If it doesn't work, ask how to do it. That's the basic step.

[signal halo]

Gem count doesn't sound amazing for december

But puts me in a decent spot

[tardy fiber]

27.7k is good for me, plus its only till 25th

November only 26020

[signal halo]

It's a strange month for me

[tardy fiber]

Its one of the rare skip month for me

[signal halo]

So, in general

My rules are specific enough that I could end up skipping all the PoMa big events in a year

Anni and seasonals are all alt fiestas

And saving for pairs I want less than others sorta sways me away from the rules, to an extent

[tardy fiber]

Depends on your goals, like there's no legendaries, mythicals, UBs on December so its a skip month for me

[signal halo]

So, in theory, my goal was to collect all base form pairs or all game canon ones

[deft glen]

My goal releases in 1 day lol

[signal halo]

For those who had more than one canon outfit

[deft glen]

I guess saving paid off

[lean mango]

27k is a minimum I like

[signal halo]

However, pairs aren't made equal and I still feel swayed by meta and pairs that aren't those I'm saving for

If I had to say on the spot the paira I want the most, the answer would be easy

[tardy fiber]

Yep thats why we did ask about your canon term like jasmine ampharos is a canon pair but with non canon outfit

[signal halo]

Colress and Hugh

They are both in a higher priority bracket than anything ever released

There are very few things that have as much power as them to sway me from a fave standpoint

Canon ghetsis and cofagrigus, canon Cyrus and weavile

Lenora

And any pair with crawdaunt

Canon or not

[tardy fiber]

Well ghetsis canon outfit already with kyurem, and if cofagrigus ghetsis canon happens it probably a lodge pair or bp pair so it will be free

As you want canon outfit

Same case with cyrus

[signal halo]

There's classic ghetsis somewhere in DeNa's stash

[tardy fiber]

Even if they release Fall Cyrus with weavile, he will wear fall outfit so it will become not canon based on your preferences

[signal halo]

And it would be a massive loss

Since weavile is my end all be all pokemon fave

[tardy fiber]

Kinda why i set pokemon as my fave so i wont have any problems even if the trainers dressed up like a clown

[signal halo]

The only reason why crawdaunt is higher in priority is due to some very specific shenanigans involving it

Pokemon would be hell for me

I like way too many for it to be a reasonable approach or goal

[tardy fiber]

Because if based on outfit, i kinda hate hleon outfit but that aint stopping me to get calyrex

[signal halo]

Even if I were to like

Choose one per type

Some might never be released

Like weavile

And some are close enough that I wouldn't be able to pick one

There are also some pokemon that are my fave in one type but end up released in the other, like volcarona

Or chandelure

Leaving fire pretty barebones

[tardy fiber]

Well just filter your faves, i was once called having a big list and kinda impossible but here i am...managed to collect all legendaries, mythicals, UBs that are available for now

52/52

[signal halo]

I filtered, but I might not see the two pairs I'm aiming for

For over a year

Because they're just random pokefairs

Celesa and CIris

Also Red

Red is the worst offender because he's got reran 4 times already

And he is an extra rare case of hitting all checkboxes possible

Snorlax is my all star normal type fave

[tardy fiber]

I got redlax from the period that i was swayed by meta and getting told that he is the best partner for gladion

[signal halo]

Red is canon

He's a meta bulldozer

Also a support, which is another plus for me

I even like red a lot

Ingo and Emmet are rare cases like that as well

Ingo with the steel fave

Emmet with the rock one

Both even being from Unova, my fave region

Ingo being nearly the best support in the game

While Emmet is like the best rock type damage dealer

But fire without volcarona, nor chandelure, gets much harder to fill in

What I know for sure is that every patch with a fire pair makes me consider to pull

Just because I've grown to hate silver and ho-oh to the point I might not even care about the power boost

[broken mulch]

Not even close lol

Well

Third ain’t bad

[signal halo]

Who's better than him?

[broken mulch]

CBlue and SCHilda

[signal halo]

Is Hilda like, the best fire and rock trainer in the game?

[tough oriole]

Emmet has higher move and sync damage than hilda and clue according to the google sheet

[broken mulch]

He does? Huh

[tough oriole]

Heck, even rock slide outdamages diamond storm lol

[broken mulch]

Thought the last calc had SCHilda higher

[tough oriole]

Hm, perhaps the doc doesn’t have max multipliers on the hilda sync tho, or is using a hybrid dps sync build

Hilda does more on sync than emmet if you take all 4 sync tiles, but emmet has more balanced damage in a hybrid build or for DPS

[tardy fiber]

I always pair my schilda with regirock...more bonus damage , plus its tm can buff schilda defense even more also buff xatck all

[tough oriole]

Lana would also be good, being able to get +4 Atk and Def in a single turn, which Hilda easily tops off

I hope emmet comes in a 3k select scout soon, i need my :) guy

[tardy fiber]

Oh right hopefully for new year

I also need to get several dupes

||ssleon 2/5, sskorrina 1/5, sshilda 1/5, falliris 1/5|| i think others can get to 3/5 soon or they are bp master units that are a bit complicated

I wonder if i should get lysandre and N if they pop up in selects

Just for 4-5/5 grids

I am against pulling in a banner till 5/5, but if its in fair select hurmmm

Fair select dupe sounds better than going into lodge banner

[compact pasture]

Selects are paid?

[tardy fiber]

Yep but 3k paid seems cheaper than 36.6k free gems for a dupe for me

I not gonna use candies for 4-5/5 as i want to save those for faves that haven't 3/5

Or new upcoming faves in the future

But if fair select lysander or n appears and i already have others 3/5 appears

Does sound tempting

Because after checking my roster, those that haven't yet 3/5 are:
Striker-ssleon 2/5, annilillie 2/5, sshilda 1/5, ssethan 1/5
Tech-sskorrina 1/5, falliris 1/5
Support-cobalion 1/5, mesprit 1/5

Some names are excluded because i can 3/5 them this December

So my candy demands have already become smaller

But i wont pull for 4-5/5 dupes via select for unannounced unit, like ssdawn or sscyrus or something that DeNa haven't yet release anything

So only N and Lysandre for now

So might grab a select for ||N, Lysandre, SsN, SsHilda, SsHilbert||

Other than those in need of 3/5

[compact pasture]

I wonder how good a 5/5 grid for a support will be

[tardy fiber]

Im scared of that happening

Support coins are already scarce and needing to 5/5

[compact pasture]

I wonder if they’ll give the standard units 5/5 grids and expansions eventually?

[tardy fiber]

Well i will be happy if they did that, general pool units are way easier and cheaper to obtain

Even if selecting them only costs about 2k paid in some selects

[lunar topaz]

After having created a plan for my priority I feel a lot more comfy this month

[tardy fiber]

||calem power boost in December is Champion Calem all along ||

[lunar topaz]

Crying

Thanks for reminding me to change my name

[mental skiff]

i just realized no Jasmine has speed buff .... why she is slow

[ashen thunder]

Kill opponent quick enuff to not need the gauge

[mental skiff]

Striker steelix

[vernal glade]

Well least I’ll have enough for a pity if a fave comes in January.

Which is highly unlikely

[summer goblet]

There is a good chance that I will be spending a lot of gems and lose my 300k status but here is my plan for the month:

||1. If I don't get a daily pull for Hilda by Friday, I shall commence pulling for Hilda until i get her first copy. Hoping to get under 26k gems to stay on the Nov. Surplus||

||2. Daily pull both Calem and Serena to day 37 of their banner run and commence the multi pull on Jan. That way, if i get shafted, i only spend 33k f2p gems only each. But hoping for another daily pull luck||

||3. Get a bit aggressive for Jasmine until the first copy and only daily pull Whitney only. If I don't get lucky, so be it||

|| If I do the math correctly, i should be spending 138k gems at the max pity||

[ashen thunder]

Idk which greninja to even roll but I want one

Coz I don't give a shit abt kalos trainers that aren't diantha/malva

[vernal glade]

I rather wait for either my 3 faves next year.

Besides, I’m completely fine on ||kalos||

[mental skiff]

i have 1 pity and 10k gems at 25th so ||gonna invest 10000 on jasmine and use what is left for serena||

cant resist support unit

[ashen thunder]

Already have Hilbert for physical support

He is arguably the weakest limited support they released this year zone is overrated

[cunning swan]

My game plan, with around 74k gems right now:

||pull on Eevee day Lucas and Calem to complete my male game protag collection. This unfortunately means I most likely have to skip SSN (shame, he's so gorgeous too. Maybe I'll consider Serena after looking at the end of december datamine. I love Johto but I'll skip seasonals, I have no particular feelings towards Jasmine and Whitney. As for the 2nd anni reruns, Anni Lillie is the only one I don't have, and I'll skip her too||

[mental skiff]

only thing special about him is his greninja... Ironic

[cunning swan]

Really? I'd still say Summer Hilda

[ashen thunder]

I forgot she was a thing

She's so pepega

[mossy pecan]

Pokémon:
Greninja
Rayquaza
Lucario
Luxray
Infernape
Giratina
Urshifu
Deoxys
Sinnoh Legends

Masters:
All Sinnoh MCs, rivals and Cyrus
Red
Ash
Cynthia
Gloria
Giovanni
Sabrina

Is this list too long for a faves list? Not asking bout the units so just length-wise

[maiden kayak]

yea

imo

remove pokemon

[mental skiff]

Depend if you can or not

[maiden kayak]

unless its shiny legendary or mythical

cos those are shiny locked in main games

[viscid flare]

|| gonna go for both calem and serena, im ok spending 2 pities tbh||

[tardy fiber]

I grabbed all pokemon faves, well it kinda balance as i didn't chase trainers

[summer goblet]

i go both ways

[compact pasture]

Are they only locked in their box art games?

[tardy fiber]

Can get shiny in pokemon go then transfer to pokemon home

[compact pasture]

Oh

[maiden kayak]

thought shiny in pogo is very pain in the arse

[tardy fiber]

Yep very expensive as more raid pass costs money and they didn't have any pity system for chasing shiny

And iirc its 1/20 chance that you will get shiny in raid...well not 100% means you can always landed on 19/20 all the time till the raid duration expires

[signal halo]

I just discovered one thing that draws me into pairs

Wonky stuff

While it's largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of gameplay

Seeing SS Kris slam 11.4k on brine after an age long build up is something that I find interesting to see

Kinda like seeing lysandre tanking with oblivion wing

Or dawn throwing a bomb log over someone's face

[mental skiff]

that is the reason why support is da best

[signal halo]

I don't know many pairs which could be warped away from their intended design

Tanky striker/techs, offensive tanks

[weary spire]

Base Dawn, Jasmine, Misty, some others

[signal halo]

I wonder if vigilance colress could be a thing

[mental skiff]

Why not?

[signal halo]

Was afraid his stats weren't good enough

Didn't remember it when I first looked at it

[weary spire]

Skyla honestly too, where you could use her Inertia tbh

[signal halo]

Wait

Skyla has inertia?

I never saw that grid node

[weary spire]

Innate to her sync

Lyra honestly too, with her innate & Solar Flare 5 on grid

[signal halo]

Wonder if Skyla can do dps too with ramming speed

[weary spire]

But even though you could say it’s intended design, it still feels more or less the same to be nuking with these supports for instance

[signal halo]

But that sounds less likely

[weary spire]

Maybe some chip lol, couldn’t hurt if you were going all in already

There’s a decent chunk of free pairs I enjoy using in ways which while may be intended to some degree, feel jank enough that it does feel off-brand and fun to use

[signal halo]

Alright so

For some unholy reason

Skyla can get like 60 attack from her grid

[weary spire]

Maybe give it a try, could be pleasantly surprised with some of the free pairs

Though some are better at being… weird than others

[signal halo]

I....

Wasn't expecting to see a 22k skyla sync

I went full on supports

Skyla dawn hilbert

I low-key want to ex dawn and Hilbert to get bigger numbers

My main issues are with spending 14 power ups on the first ex and 20 in the other

[broken mulch]

Yeah you usually don’t see that because we usually don’t buff her offenses haha

[signal halo]

The recommended ticket to power up ratio is enough tickets for 10 power ups, right?

To go for 10/10

I still feel, however, that with a Kalos EBE coming soon, I should rather stick to saving power ups for siebold

[weary spire]

10:10 is what many of used to do & what some of still do, yeah, it’s fine

It partially depends on your income. If you get a ton, you can start to use more than you do

[signal halo]

I have plenty but I am f2p

[weary spire]

13:7 was a pretty safe recommended option

[signal halo]

Lodge carries my income quite a bit for now

[weary spire]

I’d say start there personally, then move up if you think you can do more

13 7 to be clear

[signal halo]

Lemme see how many I have

73 power ups, for now

[weary spire]

And ? Fair bit less than ?

That’s essentially the rationale behind eventually using more

Rn, I use 15 & 5

[signal halo]

Yes, I only have 130 tickets for now

For lodge I can still get 95, if I count in the Serena ones

[weary spire]

I slowly went up from 10 once I saw I was getting a lot more and not enough , even steadily before Lodge

[signal halo]

If I get Lillie, that goes up to 115

[weary spire]

Mhm, well yeah, maybe you can start at 13 7 . Or 10:10 if you’d prefer, then go up from there based on what your income looks like

[signal halo]

I still don't get the monthly 5 power ups due to how many pairs I still need to raise

Most of my 3 stars are already at 4

[weary spire]

Then maybe don’t raise the usage until then

[signal halo]

But not all of them

[weary spire]

I haven’t really been trying to increase the potential of a lot or most of my 3s & 4s, which is in part why I have so many

Part of why it varies from person to person

[signal halo]

Getting earlier EXes would be nice with how many supports I could upgrade

16 unclaimed support EXes

[weary spire]

Ye. Whatever you’re comfortable with really, 13:7 or 10:10 if you’re concerned about income

Adjust over time

[rotund sleet]

anyone know why shiro’s tally is like 4k higher than tlim and jass’?

he counted 31.8k as opposed to 27k

[round mason]

27k this month

[exotic sparrow]

Shiro counted until Dec 30 and included the 2nd anni rerun events (starts on Dec 26)

[rotund sleet]

ty

[mental skiff]

27k isnt that bad could be worse

[tardy fiber]

Higher than November

[lean mango]

27k is a minimum I like

[signal halo]

Tonight I feel like I'm almost shifting my priorities as to which kinds of pairs I want to have

Doing legendary gauntlet with supports only is doing something to me

In general, the strongest supports aren't really repurposeable, are they?

As in having them being damage dealers

[tardy fiber]

I am not sure about support, yes i understand that they are good but I don't understand the need of wanting a lot of them. Probably because my faves don't have many supports or my playstyle that only do csmm and 10 streaks Gauntlet are the one influencing me that it's fine to not have many supports, have an adequate amount is already enough

Also some strikers and techs can benefit by syncing first with them rather than Supports and i usually pair them with my bp master units the supports without

[signal halo]

I just spent a lot of time doing novelty clears

With supports as carries

And I found out that I really like seeing misty dishing 15k hydro pumps

[tardy fiber]

Yep its fine with free or general pool units but seeing new recent supports that are strong and people replacing their good old supports...so collecting supports is just like collecting the highest damage unit, it will be never ending

And csmm only need 5 support

[signal halo]

Csmm wise, I feel like all I want is strong on type pairs

So I don't ever have to struggle on typing it

Given that at the point I am at, it's easier to offtype

[tardy fiber]

If you want to offtype csmm, you will only need 5 teams.

[signal halo]

I want to on type it

I have five offtype teams, if not more

[tardy fiber]

Just have 1 good tech/striker of every type...but that said, i still didn't have any fairy tech/striker fave...so i just use my lunala moonblasting

[signal halo]

So, for this

I have some decently strong cores

SS Kris and whatever, really

I could even get mileage from pairing Kris and SS Kris, due to crit, gauge and rain

But Cyrus is my best suit for it

Ash and sst red

Sydney and MR aren't quite perfect fits, but they work nicely together

SS lyra and SS erika

Ingo and Emmet, Giovanni and Sabrina

And I feel like ghetsis is strong enough to offtype stuff by himself

[mental skiff]

Supports are nice tho they allow us to use more weak unit

[tardy fiber]

Yep but only need a few of them to carry unless people want to set like 70+ streaks in Gauntlet with all streak having support

[mental skiff]

👀well people is kinda idle sometimes

[tardy fiber]

So thats why I understand that supports are good, but if better supports keep appearing and people just gonna keep pulling to replace old supports...its the same like pulling high damage units to replace weaker old units

So just keep chasing

[lean mango]

Who needs the new supports when ones got Glacia

[tardy fiber]

Yep faves are the best investment

[signal halo]

I just like the weird playstyle of reversing roles

[tardy fiber]

Just if a new support that is good but not faves, so you pulled them due to meta...its just the same like you pulling better techs/strikers...it being support role doesnt change that you still chase meta and not faves

Just that, supports only matter on what stuff it supports like physical / special team composition, while techs/strikers some pull for on type or offtype stuffs so might need 17 units at least of all different typing other than normal...so thats why i didn't think that i will need support a lot because they are much more general and easier to slot in various team composition physical/special...just in time, the support amount will be stacking and the only uses if you already have bunch of them are just for gauntlet...like csmm dark weak for example, just slot a special buffer support and just put dark units...you can use the same support to other weaknesses as well, thats why i wonder why people need a bunch of them like 30 support or something

[compact pasture]

Wait, Calem will boost physical dark type units? Not special units?

[signal halo]

To a large extent, yes, I believe?

[oak crest]

Ngl I kinda dislike how they purposely made calem and Selena's tm complement each other

Might be skipping them

[tardy fiber]

Just like anniMay and ssbrendan complement each other

[oak crest]

And I didn't went for those 2 then

[tardy fiber]

I do like ssN kit, he complement ghetsis

[sturdy hatch]

How many months were those apart?

[upbeat lotus]

his TM buffs both offensive stats, and his buddy move buffs stat depending on sync type

[tardy fiber]

AnniMay on 28th February and ssBrendan on 31st July

Release dates

[sturdy hatch]

At least that gave time to save

[oak crest]

Lol just realise the next region cs is hoenn

Dena be giving us no breaks, 2 harder than usual cs back-to-back

[chrome nest]

Tomorrow is the day

[tardy fiber]

didn't hoenn have bunch of zones?

[oak crest]

Can't really recall... They were annoying but not that annoying for me compared to sinnoh

Iirc I think I probably flinch locked the annoying steel weak glacia to death with celebi back then...

[upbeat lotus]

Hoenn is a lot easier than Sinnoh

tho Hoenn has more stages with zone

[oak crest]

They could have intro a new steel unit to deal with her this month, missed opportunity

Since only raihan is spec steel atm

[tardy fiber]

I gonna hope the new update can help me beat glacia with gloria+hop+djgloria

If not, had to offtype

[compact pasture]

Double Gloria!

[tardy fiber]

Another team that i like from this update is solgaleo+cobalion+regirock team

[compact pasture]

That sounds good

[tardy fiber]

Others not so sure, not many if my faves have the same trainer...oh sssteven and annisteven also quite nice

[tardy fiber]

Need more saving now especially after seeing serena gets 2 different master passives

Now with same trainer team already allowed, no limitation can stop DeNa anymore

[dapper kelp]

oh damn 27k? might actually be able to get all 5 mfs since i think anniv rerun stays till feb

[broken mulch]

It does… but you need 183,000k gems to guarantee all 5 MFs

[dapper kelp]

yeah ig

[broken mulch]

Who knows maybe you’ll get lucky

But don’t bet on it

[sly breach]

So who has anni lily and lunala? i want to see the moves and passives

[drowsy saddle]

Just use pomatools

Or a wiki

Or #bot-zone

[sly breach]

Thanks

And yeh i got only fantina as ghost striker and sycamore as fairy striker i do think i need to pull her

[drowsy saddle]

You don't need to

Giovanni is a great ghost damage dealer and he's free

And her fairy damage isn't that good

[sly breach]

Giovanni needs his ex

[timber wren]

fantina is also getting an ex and grid next month

which will make her much better

[sly breach]

Is that running anything soon?

[drowsy saddle]

No he doesn't

[vestal leaf]

His ex is good for psychic clears

[drowsy saddle]

Gio was clearing ghost-weak long before his ex

[vestal leaf]

For ghost exless works

Easily

[sly breach]

Well either that or i am no good at using him cause i dont feel he deals enough damage

[broken mulch]

Annie Lillie’s niche is her Moongeist Beam has piercing blows properties

But that only rarely comes into play

[mental skiff]

dont have ex Gio but he is main ghost striker

[drowsy saddle]

Try visiting #poma-questions to learn some Teambuilding

[vestal leaf]

You running him alongside spatk buffers and spdef debuffers? Or a support ex? Or both?

[broken mulch]

Or if you’re hard into Gauntlet

Giovanni wants special attack buffers

[tawny cedar]

Morty is good for ghost,he is very reliable,no need to pull alillie

[mental skiff]

Gio and Rosa

My fav duo

[vestal leaf]

I was about to write

[mental skiff]

[vestal leaf]

This duo has been working for 3 years

Lol

Just dump in speed buffer

[sly breach]

Usually use him and this girl with alakazam support

[mental skiff]

yes i still use consistently

[mental skiff]

Rosa energy

[drowsy saddle]

Okay, but do you know what Triple queue is?
This conversation is getting out of zen topic btw

[mental skiff]

No need for speed

[vestal leaf]

Yeah but for csmm you can run out with bad mpr luck

Because 4 gauge

[mental skiff]

Dena just gave us reset button

[vestal leaf]

Not for me

I like my first clears

[mental skiff]

hardcore

[vestal leaf]

Had to reset twice for bad RNG on Cynthia this week for 2v3s at 2.5k reeee

[mental skiff]

2.5k CS definitely hardcore trainer

[vestal leaf]

No you

[mental skiff]

[ashen thunder]

Why do 2.5k
Might as well try offtype max points

Rolling ontype dps to clear a score slightly higher than 2k is never worth

[mental skiff]

The game turn easy after your 5th ex tho

[simple silo]

the last time I rolled for a MF ||Serena||, she gave me severe mental trauma

[ashen thunder]

The game becomes ez once you get all the free legendary units

[simple silo]

I am scared of rolling for Calem but I do have enough for pity

[mental skiff]

if you roll without happiness you shouldnt roll

[simple silo]

and unlike Elsa, I actually do want him

[mental skiff]

I got pity cynthia but i was happy

[ashen thunder]

You have pity

[simple silo]

the only MF I had to pity was Ash

[ashen thunder]

Then why worry abt it

[mental skiff]

not for Hoenn CS

[ashen thunder]

I had to pity almost everything this year

Wdym

[simple silo]

because I am scared of jumpscare fav in Jan

[ashen thunder]

It's still ez

Then you roll after Jan datamines drop

All the banners do stay past 25th

[simple silo]

[mental skiff]

[simple silo]

Jan 25th?

[mental skiff]

Be wise

Yes

[ashen thunder]

Rolling day 1 is cringe
Unless you have like 4 pities

[mental skiff]

Or sooner

[ashen thunder]

Dec 25th

[mental skiff]

[ashen thunder]

We get NY datamines before that

Last year datamine for Jan was on 21st

[mental skiff]

Hope dena doesnt count the gems from 25th to 30th as jan gems count

[tardy fiber]

Interested in Jan datamine, i wonder if hisui is coming

[mental skiff]

[ashen thunder]

We still don't have info on NY units

And any content past 25th

[broken mulch]

Way too early for Ny info lol

[ashen thunder]

See

Thats why we get datamines early

[simple silo]

all I know is that Shauna is coming

[mental skiff]

hope i can skip

[ashen thunder]

Last 2 years NY datamines have always been early

[simple silo]

but idc abt her so

[ashen thunder]

Shauna gonna be gen pool anyways

[tardy fiber]

Annisteven and the gang stuffs are dec 30 iirc

[ashen thunder]

Unless they pull a Marnie

[simple silo]

don't forget what they did to Bede

[mental skiff]

who is shauna

[ashen thunder]

Wait
Anni Steven not 25th

[mental skiff]

Yes

[ashen thunder]

Fuk datamines might be late this year

[mental skiff]

25th is ok

Late datamine is good tho

We will have more gems

[ashen thunder]

Well people rolling for Christmas units gonna go through pain

[tardy fiber]

Yep the banners are still here when datamine arrives

[ashen thunder]

Atleast the frogs stay till Jan

[mental skiff]

It end on jan 1st

👀

[chrome nest]

Wait it’s almost 2023

[ashen thunder]

Yea and anni Steven banner is on 30th so

They might do next patch update on 1st

[vestal leaf]

Because offtype max points is not fun

[mental skiff]

luckily MF is no go for me unless they are in my top 8 fav

[vestal leaf]

Because there's less units who can clear 2v3 offtype at 2k than units who can clear 2v3 ontype at 2.5

Which means

Less variety

[tardy fiber]

Lets hopium for origin palkia on January

[ashen thunder]

I am quite certain 2.5k ontype is far easier than 2k offtype

[vestal leaf]

Yeah

It is

But I can use more units

Because it's easier

But not too easy

[ashen thunder]

[vestal leaf]

It's a middle ground

[ashen thunder]

Wow imma gimp myself but not too much

[simple silo]

tips for getting rid of gambling itch :

[chrome nest]

Wish me luck

I’ll need to 5/5 it

[simple silo]

play other gachas and roll there

[vestal leaf]

Yeah, because I like using silly combos sometimes

[chrome nest]

Good news ||Im getting ss N tomorrow|| which means I can finally save again

[vestal leaf]

I usually do 3v3 2.5k with eggmon as secondary striker

[ashen thunder]

It's like using drugs to get rid of smoking habit

[tardy fiber]

I gonna be happy even with 1/5

[ashen thunder]

Totally works

[vestal leaf]

It's not hard

[ashen thunder]

Well ontype is never hard

[vestal leaf]

But it's fun

[mental skiff]

[ashen thunder]

It's free 1.5x damage

[mental skiff]

Good advice

[vestal leaf]

It's fun and not free W

[tardy fiber]

Sad that there's no 3* ice gear on December

[chrome nest]

It’s snow month

[ashen thunder]

No ice zone on winter

Ice eternally shafted

[mental skiff]

try that with no ex and gridless unit

[chrome nest]

The new winter units look eh

[ashen thunder]

Even poison got zone

[mental skiff]

[ashen thunder]

Watch me do it with my ssacynthia tank and strike aerodactyl team

[mental skiff]

No disrespect jasmine

[ashen thunder]

[mental skiff]

[vestal leaf]

I mean that sounds fun

Why not

[mental skiff]

How about ssacynthia striker and aerodactyl tank

[ashen thunder]

My ultimate goal is to have 5 offtype teams that can do CS in wise entry if they are special/sentry entry if they are physical

So far only got 3 teams
2 more to go

[mental skiff]

see the power creep

[ashen thunder]

But I'll be able to do it while chasing for favs

[tardy fiber]

I used sssteven, annimay, ssbrendan and they can offtype csmm wise entryx2

[ashen thunder]

Tbh if I split my ash and SSTred I technically can have 4 teams
But I don't have a reliable aoe paralysis unit for Ash

[mental skiff]

meanwhile my goal is 2000pt CS with Norman as striker

[ashen thunder]

Norman can do it no?

[vestal leaf]

Norman nuke

[ashen thunder]

I remember his sync is pretty decent

[tardy fiber]

Normal rebuff

[vestal leaf]

Works

[mental skiff]

[ashen thunder]

I know normal zone will come before ice zone

[vestal leaf]

I won with him once when his grid just dropped

Needs handholding

[mental skiff]

not good even with full buff and sync +4 or sth

[vestal leaf]

But can do it

Also need a stage that's not TOO bullshit

[mental skiff]

I mean use Norman as Hard striker not dps

[ashen thunder]

I said decent
Not OP

[vestal leaf]

Stuff with status spam definitely makes it harder

[mental skiff]

I said not decent

Decent for support role

[tardy fiber]

Some ground units have sandstorm multiplier yet they can easily introduce ground zone, not sure why its hard to release ice zone

[mental skiff]

list a famous ice pokemon user

[tardy fiber]

Lorelei

[ashen thunder]

[mental skiff]

"famous"

[upbeat lotus]

Hala

[tardy fiber]

[mental skiff]

Dena dont even bother to give her grid

[mental skiff]

[tardy fiber]

Melony

[upbeat lotus]

She is the only gridless Kanto unit right

[ashen thunder]

Hey norman's nuke is actually as good as zekrom without terrain

[tardy fiber]

[simple silo]

famous as in in-lore or irl fans

[ashen thunder]

Totally 2K doable

[simple silo]

for irl, Melony have a lot of simps

[ashen thunder]

Just need him at 5* 20/20

[mental skiff]

Fan :v

[upbeat lotus]

Candice

[simple silo]

at least back when gen 8 first launched

[mental skiff]

can understand tho

[tardy fiber]

Blaine still didn't have grid, please dont be like Winona's grid

[mental skiff]

is she that famous

[vestal leaf]

Her spotlight sold more than Victor's fair

[mental skiff]

As far as i remember she is pretty forgetable

[ashen thunder]

I like Winona grid

[upbeat lotus]

Better than Hala

[simple silo]

damn

[ashen thunder]

She got all tiles I expected her to have

[simple silo]

Melony I'd Love to Friend is a banned word

[mental skiff]

still no good ice user to slap ice zone on

[tardy fiber]

Didnt have rain dance mp refresh

[ashen thunder]

I knew she isn't getting it

[upbeat lotus]

You expected Shower Sync?

[ashen thunder]

Coz that'd be too abusable

I mean Archie already had it

It's just useless on Archie

On Winona it's actually good

[upbeat lotus]

Now pray Blaine wont get Winona treatment

[tardy fiber]

[upbeat lotus]

Wait Blaine and Lorelei havent gotten grid

[ashen thunder]

Oh yea Blaine wants mpr

[mental skiff]

👀blain will nuke tho

[ashen thunder]

Coz every fire unit wants to sync themselves

[timber wren]

we saving gems in here

[mental skiff]

Power of love multiply

[tardy fiber]

and jessie

[upbeat lotus]

Yeah Flint wants to sync

[ashen thunder]

Who even uses flint

Just use silver

Or Flannery

[upbeat lotus]

[ashen thunder]

95% accuracy fire blast totally viable

Now give him Kris treatment

[upbeat lotus]

Name a fire type that doesn't want to sync

[ashen thunder]

Egg ninetails

[upbeat lotus]

Not counting eggmon

[ashen thunder]

Damn it

Shit even Leon gets ss5

Wtf Dena

[vestal leaf]

I'm not sure but iirc ethans sync sucks?

[tardy fiber]

Mc torchic

[timber wren]

i feel this conversation can move to #poma-lounge if it isnt related to helping people save resources

[drowsy saddle]

I'll see you in three years when it gets an ex

[ashen thunder]

MC get ex

EX eggmons

To never gamble again

[tardy fiber]

Still need to gamble for a shiny eggmon

[simple silo]

eggmon with grids

[mental skiff]

changing clothes on main so we wont have to buy costly outfit

[simple silo]

they say that but the new outfit is just a color shader

[ashen thunder]

Time to change mc from Scottie to bettie

[simple silo]

damn congrats on their transition

[mental skiff]

scottie who

[maiden kayak]

i really hope they have a variety of outfit customisations

[mental skiff]

Glad dena doesnt gender lock us tho

[maiden kayak]

i suspect theres gems involved tho

[mental skiff]

[ashen thunder]

Likely packs for limited costumes

[mental skiff]

I really like changing clothes so that might be a problem if real

[tardy fiber]

I not gonna waste gems on outfits, unless we going this shirt have +12 attack spatk route

[mental skiff]

imagine scottie run into fight with swimsuit aka just a short i will pay

[ashen thunder]

You are saying this as if +12 atk/spl atk is worth the paid gems

[mental skiff]

will pay for lussamine +12 def/spe def

[ashen thunder]

Just run +6 def/spl def

[mental skiff]

i want a tanky lussamine

[cunning swan]

what if new outfit customizations serve like gears? you put on a different hat and boom +20 defense

[mental skiff]

dark age

[broken mulch]

You must wear this crime against fashion polka dot parka and plaid scarf + hat combo for the best stats

[cunning swan]

a new mantra, "style over meta"

[broken mulch]

My MC will wear a top hat and NONE OF YOUR META TALKS CAN CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE

[upbeat lotus]

Just give the mc a Torchic hat

[mental skiff]

seem like a gems magnet

[broken mulch]

IT’S BEAUTIFUL

[chrome nest]

This will be the third kalos master fair I’ll skip

[broken mulch]

Wait

There have been two already?

I thought Zerena was the first and only

[chrome nest]

Well I count both greninjas

So 3 kalos master fairs that I skipped

I judge my stupidity

[drowsy saddle]

Every gem has a saver

[mental skiff]

[thorny pelican]

Save Gems™️
Save Lives

[reef river]

Absol's twitter has the "Thank You gem special" costs and gem counts

They seem strictly worse than the 20 day bundles lol

[thorny pelican]

The purpose is to create strong and immediate response to the upcoming influx of Master Fairs

[reef river]

True

[thorny pelican]

Those who spent their gem counts on November's Unova banners and possibly some of the Halloween setups, had to go through a really trough two months of low-gem income

[reef river]

I couldnt imagine spending paid gems directly on multis for the actual non-paid banners

[thorny pelican]

There's probably a high desperation of players wanting to compensate for the amazing deals coming up

[sand crown]

1st year me did this. Painful and I regret it 100%

[south scroll]

Select scouts are kinda the only good use for gems

I still havenused the paid gems I got for anni

So I'm not tempted by the deals

[tawny cedar]

Got my fave list down to 8

Currently at 1k/292k needed to get all

[ashen thunder]

Your list is basically just what dropped this patch

Nice fomo

[maiden kayak]

[timber wren]

why are you planning to go for both jasmine and calem when you won’t have enough to guarantee either

[ashen thunder]

Actually there are chances to guarantee one of em

Oh
Only calem can be guaranteed

[timber wren]

it might be tight depending on what they give us at NY

[tawny cedar]

Jasmine is prob select

Calem is now

Since i can prob pity him

[ashen thunder]

Well they give atleast 8k in first 8 days

It's barely scraping the pity

[tawny cedar]

Well as long as it's a pity,I'm getting calem

I hope seasonal select comes fast so i can bag jasmine

[ashen thunder]

and then get fomo'd by Jan units by then

♿♿♿

[tawny cedar]

Prob not

[timber wren]

the cycle continues

[tawny cedar]

Doubt we would get more johto units after we got double johto xmas

[timber wren]

going for region/type max always feels like a dolphin’s game at minimum

[ashen thunder]

Didn't they drop pal bea and pal Marnie

When christmas was galar infested last year

[tawny cedar]

Until i get down to 3 faves i won't add more,and even if i add more it would only be malva and diantha

[ashen thunder]

[tawny cedar]

Yeah but ooga booga galar simps easily baited

Johto gets some love every now and then

[ashen thunder]

You are doing the same thing with johto now

[timber wren]

johto got quite a lot of love this year

[tawny cedar]

Johto va have johto a huge glow up

[ashen thunder]

Kris alone getting indirectly buffed further and further

[tawny cedar]

I offtyped sinnoh with her

[timber wren]

in 13 months we got 10 johto gacha characters

9 of them in the last 8 months

[tawny cedar]

Currently missing 7 limited johto units

[tardy fiber]

Need to save moar gems as i plan to add ||paradoxes|| in my faves list

[tawny cedar]

I'm glad i got johto MFS atleast

Those will take LONG to come back

How long is Ron typing for lol

[weary spire]

so, interesting thing for me to consider that I'm kinda just thinking about how to handle
||I kinda want H!Jasmine, but she was never enough to consider a fav. However, I'm at the point where I still maintain my 6 pity minimum for my proper favs, with remaining as spare. So I should be able to spare a pity for her, and that's something I'd love to do.||
But I also have paid gems that I just don't spend. I've stopped buying any deals of any kind that may come up bc I simply don't spend them fast enough, bc I prefer to be smart with them and really only look for favs to select for in large part. ||But now that I can spare the gems for something like H!Jasmine, do I just skip anyway?||

Answer's probably yes, but still

[weary spire]

I had to handle something on the side at the same time

[timber wren]

i think in terms of paids i would wait for the NY selects if you’re considering doing the new tiered scout since 20k is really steep

[weary spire]

I'm not considering the new tiered scout in the slightest

I never consider tiered scouts

[timber wren]

ah i misunderstood

[tardy fiber]

Is the thank you gems offer the Master Fair gems deal replacement?

[weary spire]

Nahh, you're fine, made sense

I wouldn't even spend 5k paid lowkey, unless I really, really liked them, maybe, but still

[timber wren]

personally i think six pities is a massive safety net that you can afford to dip into now and then but that’s your call

[weary spire]

That makes sense yeah, but then it also goes the same way for paid gems

[timber wren]

i’ve been comfy bouncing between 4-6 pities saved for half the year and it feels like a good sweet spot

[weary spire]

I may just hardly ever use those paid lmao, but you know what, they'll probably last a long time and eventually spend over time

Probably

[timber wren]

yeah i also have a lot of paids saved that i just have nothing to spend them on

[tardy fiber]

Might be a phantom fave, if you are not willing to spend gems on the unit

[timber wren]

bc dailies feel so bad to do

[weary spire]

Yeah exactly

And then for me, I'm just skipping most selects straight up

[weary spire]

It's not a fav in this context

[lean mango]

Unless it's Poison

[weary spire]

It's why I set the 6 pity bar to ensure that my actual favs are covered at all times

But yeah, it's somewhat summed up by what cami was saying, as a matter of paid gems vs free, and whether to spend one over the other when you feel like one might just... not be used in large part

[tardy fiber]

Oh then i didn't see any reason for you to pull a non fav, especially if you are already comfortable with your roster and content coverage even if you have a bunch of gems stockpiling.

[timber wren]

at the very least you can see what’s coming in january and if a fave doesn’t show then you could go for jasmine since the gems from dec-jan would cover a pity

[weary spire]

Nah, I'd skip every unit in the game at that point is what you're saying

And never pull ever again

[lean mango]

Everybody in Dec lasts till at least Jan datamine so there really no need to spend this month unless one of the units is a hyper fave ya gotta get right away

[weary spire]

I do wanna make it clear that I actually 100% agree with you, just in this situation, I already have the pities saved for my favs

[timber wren]

yeah many of us are already at the point where pulling new units is a luxury since all game content can be completed with what we already have on hand

[weary spire]

If you don't have the pities set for your favs already, that is 100% what you should be going by, totally agree

Yeah, and I'm not going for any kind of extreme goal like completing a region, type, classification of Pokemon, etc

[lean mango]

I fully plan on skipping Dec pulling, for Jan in maybe hoping to get to 100k ya never know

[tardy fiber]

You have any more unreleased faves? DeNa does release a bunch of faves at once sometimes

[weary spire]

I just have like 2.5 charas I want alts for at all times, then a few others that would be nice to show up at some point

Ye, I already have the pities for them

They could show all at once and I should be fine

Otherwise, for sure, totally agree, be careful with your gems set aside for favs etc

[tardy fiber]

Then if ||you doesn't feel the need to pull hjasmine, can just skip her also if half anniv have seasonal select can just pick her that time for a cheaper select scout cost than potential spending of 36.6k gems in her banner||

[weary spire]

Yeah like, even then, it's not gonna change the fact that I'd want something like Summer Hilda more than I would Champion Serena Because of exactly that; all game content can be completed with what's available rn

[timber wren]

2.5 seasonal select only went thru fall 21 units iirc

[tardy fiber]

I select hleon from the select iirc

[tawny cedar]

If a seasonal select were to appear in the next 3 months,would jasmine be in it?

[weary spire]

Meta still plays basically no part in anything for me, doesn't feel like too much has changed in my criteria, it's still kinda "favs" in terms of preference

I'm still skipping everything I did before, really

[lean mango]

Both annis have seasonal scouts right?

[tawny cedar]

Cuz i would whale so hard for wjasmine

[tardy fiber]

If it appears on half Anni, probably just cannot select January ny units

[lean mango]

They also didn't have the Easter units right?

[timber wren]

that was the one in august

in feb/march they had the three seasonal selects with four units each and went up thru fall 21

[weary spire]

||It's not that I don't feel the need to pull H!Jasmine, I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding.|| It was about whether I should use paid or free gems when if I use my paid gems, I will literally never use my spare free gems for anything ever, and somewhat vice versa

[tawny cedar]

In that case if we get selects in March I'm using my last 3k for jasmine

[tardy fiber]

Oh so this half anniv will only till fall iris? Well i hope they all will follow August units pool going forward

[weary spire]

But yeah if you mean always wait to use paid gems and never free when you can eventually wait for a cheap select, sure, that's one thing, in which case the only thing my free gems would ever be used for are Master Fairs which happen to really appeal to me/are favs, which is quite rare

[tawny cedar]

Aw hell no i need wjasmine

She better be in the select

[timber wren]

she probably won’t be until 4th anni unless they run another seasonal select between 3.5 and 4

[weary spire]

It should be a lil while, yeah

Or I at least assume the worst

[tardy fiber]

Probably can use paid gems for select to get dupes for 4-5/5 grids cheaper. The candy collected can be used for other units. I plan to grab dupes of N or Lysander if they pop up in selects in the future. Not gonna candy units to 4-5/5 and instead will select for them over time.

[weary spire]

I considered that at least, yeah

[tardy fiber]

Now seeing they already touched ssleaf, a limited unit that are not base unit of the character for lodge like Marnie or N for 5/5 treatment. Given time they will probably touch other units like sscyrus and etc.

[weary spire]

That can help at least, even if selects for units of mine coming up prob wouldn't come that often

But once in a while, sure

Mainly on the Tech side if I'm being honest. Feel like I p much always have the Striker/Support candies on hand

And then if I spend paid for dupes instead... maybe I won't end up using my candies Half-kidding there

[tardy fiber]

But i will only get 4-5/5 unit dupes from select if other units in the pool are already 3/5...i still gonna prioritise my other not yet 3/5 faves, also I won't pull for 5/5 dupes for units that havent get the treatment by DeNa like not gonna make my ssmorty 4/5 via select if dena doesnt yet give him 5/5 treatment ...just gonna chill and follow the flow

Still gonna make 3/5 all faves my main goal

4-5/5 are just afterthought via select scout

[weary spire]

Yeah, I hear ya

I'm not sure I'd wanna 4/5 or 5/5 anything that isn't one of my few proper favs for me, because it'd take a lil too much investment, and I'm not even buying the daily gem deal until I feel I can reasonably spend them for something I find value in

It's definitely a smart way of easing up the load on your candies for a cheaper amount of paid

[tardy fiber]

Daily gem deal seems good after seeing this.

[weary spire]

It's good yeah, I just don't spend them enough to warrant more

When I spend most of what I have over a v long period of time, I'll buy them again. Def won't be buying any other deal in the game though

Even that thank-you deal, while good, is still one I wouldn't buy for the same reason: outclassed by daily gem deal & I don't spend paid enough

[mental skiff]

only deal i will buy is 3000 gems bundle... Gonna get enough money in 4 month hope i have bundle before select seasonal scout

[thorny pelican]

A lot of people lately have been discussing how "good the deals are" for buying gems. It detracts away from the focus of how affordable and rewarding the game actually is.

It's discouraging and gives a backdoor excuse that you don't need to save your gems in the game so long as you have a wallet

feels like effort is misplaced here.

[tardy fiber]

I kinda expect more of master fair deal like a daily gem bundle value but without the 20 days timegate. This offer feels bad

[weary spire]

If you're referring to the discussion just now here, then I'd respectfully disagree

In regards to trying to get the most value out of your paid gems to maximise your resources overall

By no means are paid gems necessary for anything in the slightest though, can make that clear. The game is super F2P friendly, how you wish to support it is up to you, but never give in to the idea that they are pivotal to the game in the slightest

Free gems are more than one ever needs to afford just about anything, really *within reasonable expectations & appropriate saving

[tardy fiber]

True, paid gems are just one of the way for me to complete my goal cheaper via select scout...it is not a necessity as everyone ha e different faves preference and as my faves list is big so I understand that i need to fork some cash at the side

[weary spire]

Given that's how you'd want to play of course, yeah, totally fine

[thorny pelican]

No one's talking about how the payment is optional, current discussions across every channel give off an air of implied "You should all buy into it" kind of atmosphere - that's what's upsetting to me, is that it's not being talked about and people would rather leap off the edge into a payment system than focus on saving techniques

[tardy fiber]

But the thank you deal gems amount feels bad, even less value for me as my currency was hit by the price increase

Still gonna stick to daily bundle deal

[weary spire]

I don't get that personally, but you could suggest a separate channel for resource management in regards to paid currency if that's the issue

If you feel that aspect of it is muddying anything else also being discussed in here at the same time

[thorny pelican]

I would think this thread should be up for discussion about it

[weary spire]

About the idea of creating something separate, or discussing it here?

[thorny pelican]

Should spending actual money attribute towards a mentality of saving? Or is that detrimental and a shortcut towards an easy way out of alleviating money-saving/spending pressures?

Not everyone can afford it, so it feels like a slight on those who can't spend money on 20 universal candy coins or 21,000 Paid Gems on story deals

"How was I supposed to be saving up my resources when everyone is taking these shortcuts?"

[weary spire]

I'll be honest, it seems like it's stretching a bit I can't follow, or maybe it's a direct response to something else I haven't seen yet

[thorny pelican]

Creates, however tiny, that slight voice in the back of a person's mind that something's off here

[weary spire]

But if it is in support of creating another channel/thread, sure, I wouldn't mind

[tardy fiber]

Well getting a fave via 3k paid select, are always cheaper than spending 36.6k gems for me.

[thorny pelican]

How is it cheaper when one way is free and the other could set you back an average of $20?

Mind you the deals for paid gems lately have thrown the value of a paid gem in flux

Could be $10 or even $3 if DeNA was bored enough

[weary spire]

Because I don't think there was a point of spending money attributing towards a mentality of saving in the first place, especially considering how it only followed onto the subject of managing paid in regards to the position one had found themselves in after having already successfully saving with free gems and, ironically, pointing out how unnecessary the paid gems owned were to a degree lol

[tardy fiber]

The daily bundle made it more accessible...3k paid doesn't even cost 20

[thorny pelican]

Either way it's a personal, real life cost to a player who may or may not afford it

[weary spire]

With all due respect, it just sounds like something being argued to nobody who disagrees

But that's my take

[thorny pelican]

I might just be out of context then arguing a case that is out of place

[weary spire]

I could be totally wrong though

I still think what you say is true

[thorny pelican]

It just seemed to me, for whatever reason, that there was a case being made that "Oh, you didn't save enough gems for a desired banner? You should pay DeNA cash to make up for it!" as an argument for saving gems.

[tardy fiber]

3k paid only costs 2.99 usd now

Not even 20 usd

[weary spire]

And I also think there is kind of a point to doubling down with reminders of how unnecessary paid currency is often enough, even when on the subject sure, bc I could see how someone may only walk into a particular bit of conversation and see the talk of paid currency, leading them towards it as a means of making up for their inability to save

[weary spire]

But nah, this wasn't a case being made

[timber wren]

i havent gotten that vibe in here at all lately, its always just been offered as an alternative option and one that is always ceveated with "do not feel pressure to spend real money on this game esp if you cannot afford it"

[thorny pelican]

grumpy old man assumptions insertions then

[weary spire]

I can still sort of see that idea though, the potential misunderstanding/indirect push to those who may walk in and be prone to that kind of thought

[thorny pelican]

I made a mistake on the topic and went off on a completely unrelated tangent

[weary spire]

Nah, there's something to what you were saying tbf

[timber wren]

i think its still a valid thing to bring up

[weary spire]

It wasn't what was going on though

[timber wren]

because it is "a shortcut" to saving

[weary spire]

But it was a valid point I'll think to consider from the perspective of a player walking in who may be more prone to that kind of thought more often walking in here

I do consider it often, but maybe even more so

[timber wren]

as someone who spend a little on this game i have the luxury to save easier bc i can always wait for a select

[mental skiff]

i dont spend real money tho... I sale my attention to google survey to get 0.8 cent a month basically still saving

[weary spire]

For sure yeah

And even with what lead to the convo, it's still almost funny that this game can be so generous with its free gems that you can save pities for all or plenty of your favs and, if one happens to have any paid currency at all, almost have to figure out a way to make use of it when it's actually so unnecessary as it is *in large part

[tardy fiber]

But kinda weird hearing people said the thank you deal are good as for me any rate thats worse than 3k paid = 2.99 usd is bad

[mental skiff]

true tho

3k bundle is 4$

[tardy fiber]

Like the deal available anytime just timegated

[timber wren]

like chest said, theyre instant gem boosts to help people complete a pity on a current banner vs the better value bundles that trickle in over time

[tardy fiber]

So no reason to get the bad thank you deal

[timber wren]

even tho using paids for regular multis is just, the worst

[mental skiff]

unless it is another ash deal i dont think any bundle better than 3000 bundle

[tardy fiber]

Well to avoid this are why i said before during the daily gem introduction that i will buy it everytime its available for future preparation eventhough in skipping month due to its timegated nature

[mental skiff]

This help me unload the need to save double pity for summer tho... Will get a select scout on next anni

[weary spire]

Given that's something you personally are comfortable with for your money again to be clear, of course

[tardy fiber]

Like daily gem bundle wont help you if a 14 days select scout appear and you need 20 days to gain 3k paid

[mental skiff]

that is why i said next anni

4th anni

[weary spire]

Right, but even then, they're mostly preying on people who don't save enough to complete pity on current banners as cami & chest have said

[mental skiff]

Because i know i wont have enough before half anni

[tardy fiber]

So if anni have three 3k select scouts, you need to buy the daily for 60 days beforehand

[weary spire]

So nobody here should find themselves in that position... *in regards to lacking pity for a current banner of interest

[mental skiff]

[weary spire]

Besides, 27k gems is quite nice, even assuming that's the most it'll be, no rally or anything else factored in

Pretty happy with that

I'm already comfortable with anything 20k+ per month honestly, it adds up fast

[mental skiff]

looking forward to get pity

[weary spire]

Looking forward to a new Lodge unit as well, because it's honestly just more rewards available

[tardy fiber]

People should be consistent with their fave list...like ive been able to avoid swaying on meta since after palentine 2022, by being discipline you will have gems leftover. If your fave list is big, you will need even more discipline. After these frogs, i will already skip 6 non faves MF all for the sake of gems for my abundance of faves

[weary spire]

Master Fair, Schlaster Fair, Poke Fair, Schmoke Fair, Schmeasonal

The banner types stop meaning anything to you over time honestly

[mental skiff]

👀yeah after accidentally get ash and red i think my meta need reach 0

[weary spire]

I've still yet to go out of my way for meta period, since I started the game

[tardy fiber]

Also recently the other banner units are reaching master fair units strength so don't worry your upcoming faves will be good and usable

[weary spire]

*I only started like a year and a half ago, to be fair

[mental skiff]

with the come of lodge serena i think i has all type for CS... So no need more

[tardy fiber]

Fletchling?

[mental skiff]

longer than me almost a year

[weary spire]

This too. Master Fairs have always attracted more FOMO out of people, but for what? If it ain't a fav, it ain't a fav. It may not even be "better" than a lot of other units, and for the cherry on top, 1% rates vs 2%

You should be committing to a pity for a banner regardless, but it doesn't help

[mental skiff]

invest in seasonal because now they are as strong as mf and better design and 2%

[weary spire]

I feel like more people have come to see that the banner type honestly doesn't mean as much

[tardy fiber]

Yes some said that its good to collect 5* but close to 2 years of playing, i already got plenty of 5/5 general pool 5* units so why i need more of them to compensate the lack of 1% featured unit rate

[weary spire]

Even if a unit's "worse" (and a lot of newer units have at least been decent), let's face it, it's probably more than enough for the current content anyway, so yeah

[weary spire]

Pretty much lol

[mental skiff]

collect 5 star for team strength tho

Still on the road to 2 mil

[tardy fiber]

But they are just for me

[weary spire]

Well, thing is that you often get a lot of them eventually over time anyway, so what it's ultimately done is convert some people's gems to (assuming they attributed more value to MF banners for the sake of the banner type)

And a lot of those people still have somewhat of an excess of later down the line, anyway

So it's in part wasted

[tardy fiber]

Just pair with more eggmons they also contribute to team strength

[mental skiff]

i can see i wont need soon tho

[weary spire]

Pretty much

It's more in the game later on, if anything

[mental skiff]

run out of egg mon upgrade item

[tardy fiber]

Im happy with this stacking due to December skip month

[hard wave]

Are the extra 4160 (or 3960? Not sure) just until december 31st? I need about 2500 in january to be able to go for serena calem or lillie

[tardy fiber]

Well we might get other stuffs before the December datamine stuffs are over, you might can for that

Also lillie gone on Feb

Annilillie

[hard wave]

Ye if I cant get a pity before serena/calem leave Ill go for lillie

[tardy fiber]

Well for now it is what its stated unless there's twitter rally or something like apologems, the amount wont change

Just hope there's bunch of gems in period of 25th December to 9 January

[mental skiff]

apologems for too much MF in 1 month

[hard wave]

Hopefully, idk who I want to go for cuz lillie is one of the MFs ive been wanting but I also rlly like calem and serena……

I dont pull for seasonals bcz of the low rates so im not worried abt NY pairs

[tardy fiber]

Well we kinda due for sshilbert compensation on January...lemme check, iirc they also stated compensation other than buffing his passive

[tardy fiber]

MF have even lower rate of 1%

[weary spire]

The rates of the featured are what matter most, so MFs I'd say are the ones with low rates

[mental skiff]

Mf 1% tho and new seasonal banner 2% tho

[weary spire]

That said, what makes you like Calem/Serena?

[mental skiff]

[hard wave]

I mean the 5* rates

[mental skiff]

Huh

[weary spire]

The 7% 5* sure, but are you going for the random gen pool 5*s, or the featured unit?