Sync Grids

[sweet parcel]

or Iron Defense > Iron Defense > TM

if the support doesnt buff defense

[fading gulch]

yuh

then you can protect giga impact

[gentle sun]

The move order would be Iron Defense -> Protect -> Trainer Move with that grid, assuming no Support to give +2 Defense

If there is a Defense buffer on the team then it can be Iron Defense -> Trainer Move -> Giga Impact

[fading gulch]

oh right protect is a status move

[gentle sun]

Just to make sure, have you read her passives? Because it sounds like you're not aware of Shielding Infliction+ 9 in her base passives

[sweet parcel]

||reading is hard||

[icy raven]

No. I did not see that 😐 😅
So, that makes Iron Defense +4 🤔

[fading gulch]

actually her rotation would be iron defense protect tm sync

[sweet parcel]

Cobalt already said that

[gentle sun]

Yep, so you can max Defense in 2 turns and use her Trainer Move on the 3rd, or with a Defense buffer on the team have maxed Defense in 1 turn and use TM on turn 2

Because I'm considering grabbing Oleana, here's a super quick damage-focused grid idea:

Aand I misread her Trainer Move and thought it only gave +1 accuracy, so the Gunk Shot Accuracy tile can definitely be swapped for something else

[fading gulch]

oh jeez mgb?

on a 2023 unit?

the horror

[gentle sun]

It's a weird choice, but the rest of her kit is looking great, so it's whatever

[fading gulch]

yeah im being sarcastic but its weird that its just there

[icy raven]

I don't see the appeal

[gentle sun]

Big damage

Is the appeal of that grid

That was putting a grid out for myself anyways

[fading gulch]

gunk shot does a shit ton of damage

might not be emma level but it’s good

[gentle sun]

Her Sync is ludicrous

[fading gulch]

yeah 194 bp vs 230

its not a massive gap

[icy raven]

All I see is venom drench spam

[gentle sun]

Innate Power Play (which she maxes herself in 2 turns), grid Power Play, Virulent Toxin 7

[gentle sun]

She only needs to Venom Drench twice

[fading gulch]

336 atk vs 424 tho

oof

[gentle sun]

One of her passives means it'll lower stats by 3 stages

[mystic forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855438548684374045/1069103333429747752/image-2.png

[fading gulch]

they just dont read passives

they got lost on sLiza of all things so like

[gentle sun]

So you'd do something like Trainer Move -> Max Move -> Venom Drench -> Support EX Sync -> Venom Drench -> Gunk Shot -> Gunk Shot -> Oleana Sync, assuming you have no allies to increase the speed of Oleana's setup

And also not showing allies' moves because triple queue should always be assumed

As something that has zero impact on her viability but is just a neat thing, she does combine the Poisoner role and debuffer role on Poison stall, but since her damage is big that's just a neat feature rather than a major sale point

[fading gulch]

shes kinda squishy

compared to like lucy/bp erika

and not having trap is sorta eh

[gentle sun]

That's very fair, yeah. That's why it's more of a neat extra feature than anything

[placid dust]

Dude you called this nice

[placid dust]

The 3/5 grid is solid for nuke build but Gunk Shot dps the grid is pretty weak with the Toxic Powers and Ramming Speed spread pretty far. She might just be good for badly poison, stat reduction rebuff at 1/5 and call it a day

[gentle sun]

Gunk Shot is about on par with Hyper Beam, an effective Toxic Power 5 is probably fine

If you really wanted you could cut back the Sync nuke slightly to pick up Ramming Speed as well

[sweet parcel]

thats not true, you can remove both Virulent Toxin and pick Ramming Speed for more dps

her dps nearly match Emma

[gentle sun]

You can remove Virulent Toxin 2 and a Sync base power tile to replace with a Gunk shot base power tile (filler to get to Ramming Speed) and Ramming Speed

This is what that would look like

[gentle sun]

While I didn't clarify this earlier, the best replacement for the Gunk Shot accuracy tile from before is the Sync base power tile, if you're not picking up Ramming Speed

An effective +80% modifier (not counting Lucky Skill) on a ~200 base power move is very good, and even a +50% one would be

[placid dust]

Oh you could get both toxic power with all the sync stuff my bad

[gentle sun]

Yeah, Oleana's looking super good

[placid dust]

Makes me sad I skipped Emma to go with her. They really hate Fall Iris not giving her special poison to go with

[sweet parcel]

Koga erasure

[icy raven]

All I see is this

[bronze dragon]

I hope it's a joke

[merry onyx]

be entirely fr

[fading gulch]

why the fuck are you going into venom drench

174 defenses isnt exactly great for stall either

[bronze dragon]

The worst part is he is clicking Max Guard

[fading gulch]

:’)

[bronze dragon]

Twofer 9 + MGR3

I just-

[gentle sun]

Why though? Oleana's damage is very high

[bronze dragon]

He's using a poison stall grid but he is not using the Max Move that poisons

You wouldn't understand

[sly fulcrum]

Giga brain for not understanding a sync pair

[gentle sun]

Like, Oleana can be used for Poison stall in a pinch if you really need her to do so, but it's far from her best or only use

[sly fulcrum]

I mean she's 2 roles compression... just fill in the 2 slots to buff def it could work

[fading gulch]

shes not even good at it compared to like lucy or bp erika

not having trap is eh and those two already consistently apply toxic poison anyway

and her defenses are low for it

[icy raven]

I did that for the cheapest way to have potent toxin & Twofer 9

[fading gulch]

focus on her damage

[gentle sun]

But why would you build for that 1st and foremost?

[fading gulch]

twofer on venom drench is just unnecessary though

shes fast enough for gauge to not be an issue

ok 288 isnt that fast

but its not awful

also compared to lucy

[sly fulcrum]

Her mgB has pep rally lol

[fading gulch]

her defenses are 25 points less

[bronze dragon]

Twofer 9 and MGR3 don't make sense together

[round bridge]

If youre stalling, you dont need gauge anyway

[fading gulch]

and her only method of defense buffing is using max guard

which is just

bad

[icy raven]

Thin I'll go this

[gentle sun]

Why though?

You're ignoring all her damage tiles

[icy raven]

Don't be speaking blasphemy 😤

[bronze dragon]

[merry onyx]

[unique wedge]

What's going on here

[echo crypt]

Have you considered that maybe you just don't understand what makes pairs good and how grids actually work? when your takes rise eyebrows and are questioned this frequently maybe there is something you need to think about

[gentle sun]

I am reasonably sure that pointing out a fact that someone is ignoring all damage tiles on a damage-dealer or hybrid pair's grid is not "speaking blasphemy"

[bronze dragon]

Remove pic post permit

[clever thorn]

Potent Toxin 2, that’s actually kinda funny

[blazing pawn]

Assuming I will have a support able to buff Satk and +2 crit (probably Rotom)

If I run alongside Celesteela, I'd probably swap to get harry5

[bronze dragon]

I think it's better to use HS1 + TM ramped up 2

That way you can cut a turn with SS Elesa + you get fully buffed and more accuracy buffs

Pinpoint entry 1 is also good

12 energy left for a sync node or hurricane MGR

[blazing pawn]

Basically drop 25 sync damage and 20 satk for more reliable buffing and a head start tile.

Ya, I could see that probably being the play

My build is more min/max top potential, but yours accounts for more variable team building.

Since I don't use him much, having flexibility is good

[merry onyx]

personally my ss elesa is already running hs1, and i know a lot of people might also run that, so if that is the case i'd use this

[bronze dragon]

Yeah that's fair

[icy raven]

Why you ignore ramp up 2 🤔
If you get that then you just could use flying wish tech

[bronze dragon]

What's the relation between using Anni Skyla and being able to buff spatk or not?

[fading gulch]

they said they’re using ss elesa who buffs special attack

so they can choose to not take ramp up

i will say that ramp up is a very useful tile though as it opens a lot of flexibility for support choices

[bronze dragon]

You still want someone to top up

So I don't see why you wouldn't bring a special support with Blue

Using x spatk with Blue is a waste

[fading gulch]

yeah pretty much

[placid dust]

Better to have him use 1 more turn than bring a support just for that. Why not have him run with tornadus and ampharos or articuno, etc

[placid heart]

This is prolly the go to irida grid initially had aggravation but found it pointless

[gentle sun]

I’m personally thinking of snagging Hostile Environment for more reliable Burn chance, but I guess since you’re probably trying to get a Burn immediately it’s not as important

[bronze dragon]

Those 2 buff spatk...

[bronze dragon]

I don't find much value in nuking with V Irida unless you are short on fire units (somehow)

I'd just Flare Blitz spam

[echo crypt]

inb4 special fire CS, or that new mode

but yeah, niche stuff

[placid heart]

My only fire units are silver Serena and Ethan lel

[gentle sun]

You’ve gone this long without getting Hilda?

[bronze dragon]

Sync with Silver lol

[fading gulch]

richu wtf

[echo crypt]

favorite fixation, that's basically it

[bronze dragon]

Adaman, L Irida, SS Acerola is a good team

[placid heart]

Oh right forgot about her

[placid heart]

I use non favs sometimes

[echo crypt]

I meant with fire units, and pulling in general

[placid heart]

O

[cunning fox]

Striker yamper

[sweet parcel]

[cunning fox]

I think i successfully avoided every good node on the entire grid

[clever thorn]

HP +10 is pretty good

[gentle sun]

Spark Team Fast-Track is a good tile, but I have a question:

Why

[keen bridge]

I have one weather warrior 3 deluxe cookie left

Should I give to Zinnia

Prob my best flying type

Besides blue

[gentle sun]

Do you use Zinnia regularly?

[keen bridge]

Every CS that’s flying

[fading gulch]

blue gets an expanded grid later this month zinnia is unwieldy to use for flying

[keen bridge]

Or flying stage in general

Oh shit he does

[fading gulch]

blue’s honestly better because he at least has an on type sync

[keen bridge]

Maybe I wait then

[fading gulch]

his dps for hurricane is slightly better too iirc

[gentle sun]

Do you want to have the flexibility to run a Draco Meteor build on her?

[keen bridge]

That’s true

Yeah yeah got some good points. I do want to have the flexibility I suppose

Even tho zinnia is not one of my best dragon

[gentle sun]

In that case Dauntless is better for now

If you change your mind the cookie will still be there

[keen bridge]

Very true, appreciate it

[sweet parcel]

the better version:

[gentle sun]

Here's 2 ways to get Hail Follow-Through in exchange for losing some raw damage:

[icy raven]

I totally forgot about that 😅
And 2 think I used it myself in this week pasio

[gentle sun]

Uhhh

[fading gulch]

kh

thats

good job me

[gentle sun]

Lol, it happens

[gentle sun]

For a generalist grid that looks alright, might be arguments to make swaps here and there depending on the situation

[fading gulch]

yeah i could drop the master healer node maybe for safety net

[gentle sun]

You’d have to drop more than just that, I’d say dropping Master Healer and either Hostile Environment or On a Roll depending on the stage is the way to go to pick up Safety Net

[fading gulch]

HE was for marnie

so yeah thats probably going away since you dont really need paralysis for most things

[gentle sun]

Can always swap them around as as needed if you find you’re wanting status but not debuffs

[fading gulch]

the fact hes a relatively modern support with tm mpr at 1/5 is ridiculous

and considering what it does its insane

[gentle sun]

His grid is pretty nuts thanks to that, yeah

[copper verge]

Grids done #1008010844547842079 message

[primal wasp]

I don’t know if Virulent Toxin 2 is better than Berserker 2 but this is a solid 4/5 Grid I think?

Don’t know if her DPS is better use of her

[placid heart]

Assuming you’re using her with CCalem or the likes of him you don’t need beserker

[fading gulch]

virulent toxin is sync right

[merry onyx]

yee

[fading gulch]

if you want to fully nuke with her then id take virulent toxin

[primal wasp]

True, Supporters can probably do +2 Atk

[ashen bough]

Is allotting orbs for mpr for chop's tm good? Or should i use the brawling opening setup instead?

[gentle sun]

Depending on the stage you may not need either

But Opening Setup would be more consistent

[clever thorn]

Do people tend to use Hop’s TM Turn 1?

[icy raven]

Support hop bottom right 🤔
or
Tech hop TM 🤔

[gentle sun]

I'm assuming he's paired with a 2nd damage-dealer who'll start dealing damage faster

Which is admittedly not always gonna be the case

[clever thorn]

Because I don’t see the point of taking Brawling Opening Sync if you’re gonna use his TM right before you sync anyway

[gentle sun]

Fair enough

[sweet parcel]

Also quad queue ruining

[clever thorn]

Do people care about ruining 2nd quad queue
2nd sync will generally knock someone out/denial them

[placid heart]

i do

[old niche]

I think Rose is skippable because 5/5 Gloria

And still thinking if SS Silver is worth it above 1/5 cos he deals good damage already with his kit

[placid dust]

You have 5/5 gloria? Jelly

[old niche]

Yaaaz

[dense eagle]

New units are included in the sync grid suggestions but not the tier list correct?

[sweet parcel]

correct

[dense eagle]

Dont want to pull but waiting on tier list update.

[nimble wolf]

Hello where can i find the 5/5 grid of urshifu?

[sweet parcel]

Pins

[pallid oak]

damn, been having fun with Jirachi 1/5. Doom Desire hits hard! Does Tate really not need the move candies?

[placid dust]

Oleana is interesting to me because her 3/5 grid can surprisingly fit 50% dps multipliers and full sync nuke multipliers at the same time

[placid dust]

Kit definitely makes it one of the better 1/5, 3/5 I'd only recommend for sync nuke

[dense eagle]

I feel like Sneasel isn't as strong as I was expecting

[bronze dragon]

His performance varies a lot depending on allies and move level

[old niche]

In terms of DPS, summer tate goes on top tier? Especially for special steel tech

[soft night]

Tate has really good sync move damage, currently the best steel tech one.

His DPS is good, but in context of Champion Stadium you will only typically only fire Doom Desire off twice.

Sync pairs like Raihan and Rose can utilize Move Up stacks to boost their DPS, while those effects would only impact Tate’s Flash Cannon.

Tate is still a good damage dealer just not as high as some people were making him out to be. However in general he’s still a very self sufficient unit whose multipliers are actually pretty lax for a tech, plus he’s got a very good kit for Arenas. So he’s surely still a great unit to pull for.

[old niche]

I didn't get raihan to 3/5 and I'm still deciding in between Rose and Oleana

Maybe Oleana because I have 5/5 gloria

[soft night]

Oleana mainly wants to be on poison team since she’s applying rebuff

Rose is pretty simple, it’s a matter of do you want the coverage he provides as aoe.

[old niche]

Thoughts on Summer Liza? Worth pulling for?

[bronze dragon]

She's strong but she's not worth pulling

(Also to not support laziness)

[placid heart]

She’s a great flying damage dealer (currently the best one), however blue is getting his Pb this month so that may be something to look out for I think she’ll still be up when he gets his Pb so if you want to wait for that and test him, and if he’s not the desired power level you can prolly pull for Liza and she’ll pretty much guarantee a free on type clear if that’s what you’re looking for

[stark berry]

If you want to candy her to 3/5 she can unleash an insane 1st giga impact just after your sync (expecially if you sync with support ex) and I think she can easily offtype too

Not the bestest for long battles, but for short battles (like CS) she's pretty insane at 3/5

[spring belfry]

new alt character tho

[bronze dragon]

Of course its a seasonal

[spring belfry]

kaboom grid

[bronze dragon]

But dupe mon, boring kit, no sync animation, no thought on how to relate the characters etc

[spring belfry]

ngl tho her grid is still really good for giga impacter

i mean it does have some justifcation to go for more than 1/5 reasonably

[spring belfry]

mon was chosen because it links to tanabata tho

[bronze dragon]

It could have been any other or simply be shiny

[spring belfry]

Shiny would work but og colours are better in that context

[bronze dragon]

Not saying it doesn't make sense, just that it's very lazy

[spring belfry]

at most umbreon but then its not really a festival mon

minior too

[sly fulcrum]

Could be just anni is coming around and lazy design is the cost of it

[bronze dragon]

Makes it easier for people to save

Although Galar VA is coming

[sly fulcrum]

I still went for her tho funny flying giga impact

[spring belfry]

im more annoyed with variety if anything

at least this has diff outfit

[bronze dragon]

Its seasonal it has to have a different outfit

Variety except Ball Guy which is quite random we know it's just repeated outfits

[sly fulcrum]

I mean sure it's lazy design but it's still giving the spotlight to sync pairs that haven't seen alt for a long time

[bronze dragon]

Sure, but it's Tate and Liza

[sly fulcrum]

I don't see anything wrong with it

[bronze dragon]

Not only are they not popular, but because they were lazy to pick the pair, either you like them both or you don't like them at all

[sly fulcrum]

Tate and liza enjoyers will still like it

It doesn't have to be a popular character agn

It will get boring as it repeats for the x time

At one point we were counting how many times the popular character gets another alternate

[bronze dragon]

It's not exactly for not being popular, that's just a point for it to be unappealing for majority

It's more like they just picked a pair of related characters instead of relating them through an event

Of course there's fans somewhere for every character

[sly fulcrum]

See this is the problem for seasonal pairs

There's no justifying the 'correct' sync pair selected

At least by selecting unrelated characters... I guess it means dena did not forget them

[sweet parcel]

Santa Wulfric this year?

[sly fulcrum]

That would work so well

[stark berry]

Same grid but different team

[spring belfry]

ohh the def debuff

[stark berry]

However by replacing Clemont with 6ex Rosanta I got similar results despite the -2 def compared to -6, I guess the flying theme skill mattered and maybe I got different rolls

[spring belfry]

this has no def debuff btw

[stark berry]

Has -6

[spring belfry]

have u tried 3-3.5k with that

i think she has potential to clear 3.5k

for SE weak i mean

the only problem whether the supports can survive til then

[stark berry]

Didn't tried over 2.5k but I guess isn't a big problem

Clemont has endurance, so he shouldn't have much issues surviving

[bitter canyon]

Is this okay for Adaman, or should I just get everything I can?

[sly fulcrum]

1/5 grid doesn't matter, just get what u want lol

[gentle sun]

I wouldn’t worry about his grid at all at 1/5

It won’t make that much of a difference

[bitter canyon]

Ah, okay, then thanks

[stark berry]

If you are low on orbs you can just pick the bp tiles and maybe Headstrong, but you won't lose much, eventually you will have an excess of orbs and you can finish the 1/5 grids

[tranquil raven]

Can't decide between full sync or mgr for 3/5 summer Liza. Which one would be better for CS in general?

[clever thorn]

If you have good gauge, then i’d imagine MGR would be unnecessary

[tranquil raven]

I'll prolly have to run a support that gives speed or mg acceleration then

[wispy dagger]

Which of these two grids is better?

[placid heart]

they do different things, one is a sync grid and DPS build while the other is pure DPS no sync and it depends on what you're looking for

[icy raven]

Why are you skipping most of the Nuke tiles 🤔

[placid heart]

cause she has a good sync?

[wispy dagger]

I don’t rlly know tbh im looking for good dps but I would also like a good sync ig

The reason why i don’t rlly know is because of that one protect tile that gives extra phys move up next

[placid heart]

then go for the second build you have multiple pre sets so you can freely switch between the two

[gentle sun]

If you want both then the 2nd grid would be better, having access to Physical Ups and Tough Cookie are plenty for Giga Impact

[wispy dagger]

Ok bet thanks

[icy raven]

Interesting to me that Poce the dude on YouTube did the same grid (the one on the left)

[wispy dagger]

Oh rlly? The one on the left is the one I made on my own lmfao

[bronze dragon]

It's not rocket science 🥁
It's pretty straight forward for dps

[icy raven]

It intrest me. Because they both chose not to go for any Nuke tiles for this particular Sync pair.

[gentle sun]

Wouldn't be surprised if they planned to run her alongside Darach or another Flying Sync nuker

Would make sense to focus on boosting Giga Impact if that were the case

[sly fulcrum]

Because poce ran her with tornadus, a sync nuker which makes sense for liza to go full dps

[gentle sun]

Yep, figured that was the case

No reason to go for Sync nuke grid if A. Skyla’s doing some nuking

[minor vapor]

How good is jirachi? I don't see it on the tier list (maybe I'm blind) but also debating if it's worth trying to get 3 copies or save for someone else

[round bridge]

Jirachi is good with pretty high damage, spdef drops, and utility that makes it especially good for Legendary Gauntlet

Whether it's "worth" is hard to give a general statement for, but personally I don't consider jirachi too valuable

[icy raven]

1/5 and bounce

[bronze dragon]

Is the pair good? Yes
Is it top? No
3/5 is for it to be a good syncer
If you just want the pair and have it feel useful, 1/5 for dps should be satisfying enough

[minor vapor]

Alright thanks I appreciate it

[fair saffron]

Obvi I know list hasn’t been updated but after a few days now, where is everyone thinking Tate and Liza fall on the list

[gentle sun]

Tier list stuff is probably better for #916852389347196958 (heck, I think it’s been discussed there several times already)

[sonic slate]

hey yall, is it fine to consider doing summer n 3/5 and cmarnie 1/5 together for dark weak stages? or would it be better to sub out cmarn for a spatk debuffer?
wondering b/c i need to pick primary grid and that seems like the main decision on it. whether i have spatk drops or not.

also theoretically could consider irida in the slot as a debuffer + for space hisui passive but, idk.

[bronze dragon]

All limited damage dealers clear on-type easily at 1/5

NC Marnie is obv the better choice

[sonic slate]

problem is i simp for N i just wanna know if leaning into Devastation or ignoring it in favor of fitting cmarn on team would be better

[sly fulcrum]

Is your support good enough to support this 2 4 bar gauge users? If not swap c marnie out for an offtype

[sonic slate]

ex support box (shows all my limited supports); i could prob theoretically use ingo to do it if im not needing him elsewhere in a week lol

idk who else would be able to easily do 2 4gauge out of these

i also have mesprit and cobalion from the bp master pairs, idk if mesprit can do it or not?

[sweet parcel]

Sycamore and SS Blue can carry 2 4 gauge dmg dealers

[bronze dragon]

Setting up devastation is not worth it for him in general

But his sync is strong so it will clear anyway if you set it up

If you don't have zone setters it's good, it's just your preference

[sonic slate]

yea i dont have a dark zone pair yet, im prob going to be waiting for a fav to get that zone rather than going for a rerun of existing ones.

especially since the types one ive basically solved both physically and specially already, makes a zone or terrain in the type less desirable if it isnt on a fav

fallbert for physical, summer n and cmarnie for specials.

1-10 how much does dupes effect summer marnie btw, is it fine to keep her at 1/5 since i ended up with her, if im mostly using her where the enemy has Wise x2 for fairy probs and maybe gauntlet style content

wouldnt of gone out of my way to get her, but landed her when getting n so figured id ask. was hoping for summer gloria for my second pick but, summer marnie prob was slot 3 in my priority there due to type coverage

(i hate how limited fairies are for physical if you dont have a limited pair like her...)

[elfin crypt]

Do either Summers Gloria or N get particularly more powerful at 3/5 or 2/5?

[sonic slate]

i know summer N has a few multipliers at 3/5 from what i could tell, dunno if one was at 2/5. think N has both sync and move multipliers in his grid, one for each for accuracy debuff existing on enemy, and another based on how high his spatk is.

bedazzle enables all his multipliers instantly with 1 tm press, so its ran in most summer n grids if you do raise him

[bronze dragon]

Imo summer Gloria's best use is as flat dps, so 1/5 should be satisfying enough

N has a great 5/5 expansion for all dps, sync and stat buffs so it's just a matter of how strong do you want him to be

If you meant summer N, I'd say if you scout him you have to make him 3/5

[elfin crypt]

Yeah summer N, and thanks

[old niche]

Is it worth to 3/5 summer Liza?

My flying pairs are SSEthan, Lysandre, Anni Steven, Blue, Darach, Anni Skyla

[bronze dragon]

Then it was not even worth scouting her

[round bridge]

3/5 is a really good boost for her

If you want the extra power then its a good idea, but try her at 1/5 first

[old niche]

Got it through a daily

[bronze dragon]

Well in her banner

As Dan said try her, but if you're looking at typing you definitely don't need dupes

At 1/5 she's basically an Anni Steven reskin

[icy raven]

I would Do 1/5 and wait for blue gird to be released.

[gentle sun]

There is no reason for them to use Blue outside of favoritism if they have SS Ethan, A. Skyla, and Summer Liza

Literally the top 3 Flying pairs

[stuck idol]

any good 2/5 grids for jirachi and celesteela?

[placid heart]

there should be 2/5 grids in pins annd if not just look at a 3//5 grid and take what you can

[stuck idol]

yeah there are none at 2/5 and sometimes other people here have cool concepts. that' why I asked

[placid heart]

I see

[soft night]

2/5 doesn't have much. You just go for MGR and the relevant yellow nodes you want.
Tate: https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/3101/38500?s=2&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggLDRUWFx0fIyUnKg
Liza: https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/3001/79700?s=2&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBgkKCwwNERQXGB8hIigqKw

[stuck idol]

Thanks!

[austere mirage]

When Did Maxie move to the dmg dealer tierlist

[placid heart]

#1008010844547842079

[copper verge]

Last month, alongside some other former Hybrid, you can keep track of the recent changelogs there: https://gamepress.gg/pokemonmasters/guide/tier-list-change-log-index

[short heron]

sorta was inevitable, poor bloke has gotten put through the wringer last two months. First Acebulu sucker punches him then Adaman comes behind with the chair

[clever thorn]

Gasp doc

[short heron]

waves @clever thorn

i'm around jjust busy with the dad life

[merry onyx]

i need to see this drawn

[short heron]

As do i

funny enough...this exists

[merry onyx]

pretty sure @shy elbow drew that actually

if i'm wrong im sorry for the ping

[shy elbow]

omg that me

that is ancient how did you even find this

[short heron]

Deoxy...I am but a humble father with a small request (literally googled maxie pokemon masters ex memes and it populated) "Please update this to the scenario of acebulu and adaman kicking maxie while the poor bloke is down

XD

[shy elbow]

lmao

[merry onyx]

the sequel we all needed

[short heron]

what started as an off the cuff joke really took a life of it's own

[shy elbow]

i drew something tangenially related to that with iridia once but i have no idea where i saved it

[old niche]

As much as Rose concerns me, I think I'll prioritize Oleana first

[cyan obsidian]

Any new grids for Hop?

[sweet parcel]

No

[cyan obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/depressed-luigi-luigis-mansion-scary-sad-gif-16131999

[sweet parcel]

Tbf he only gets EX in this month

[cyan obsidian]

True

[bronze dragon]

If anything, Adrenaline 1 now makes sense

[copper verge]

Example grids were updated in the document to provide some Adrenaline options

[primal wasp]

Defence Crush 9 and Free Move seem like luxury tiles for Gauntlet purposes perhaps regarding Rose. Not sure what his count would be for that.

[fading gulch]

eh dc9 is a good tile for ramping specifically

[primal wasp]

Not on a SSDiantha Team

[fading gulch]

ok well thats a different context

like in a vacuum dc9 is a good tile on ss diantha its just redundant

[primal wasp]

DC9 for Solo Clearing though is pretty decent although it really does run the issue with Gauge I guess since you rely on the Free Moves. Maybe then that means Duos for Rose.

[bronze dragon]

DC9 is good in general, getting that and an extra +100 Max Steelsurge BP node at 4/5 is pretty good

Free moves are reliant on having used Max Steelsurge
In CS you shouldn't have gauge issues at all
In LG you want to save the Max move for later, and it's not too long of a period of getting free moves

[cyan obsidian]

Oddly enough, I have Raihanni up to 3/5 and haven't invested in him

just doing it now

[cyan obsidian]

and dun

[cunning idol]

Is Rose’s grid really good / worth candying for?

[gentle sun]

Good grid, whether he’s your top candy priority depends on your roster and what types you’re struggling with (if any)

[cunning idol]

ok thanks! I think I’ll go compare my other 1/2 out of 5 and see

[gusty reef]

what role should i use my yellow move candy on

[bronze dragon]

That's not how you should be thinking

Use it on the units whose role you're most in need of candying

Striker candies are a bit more common

[clever thorn]

For example, if you have 10 supports who you want to candy and only 3 techs/strikes, then you’d use it on supports

[dense matrix]

In terms of strike units who are the best ones to candy

[sweet parcel]

check +candy tierlist

you can use the +candy command in #bot-zone or check out #1008010844547842079

[bitter canyon]

For Lysandre & Volcanion should I go with B Hydro Pump (3/5) Or Sync Nuke?

[clever thorn]

Probably B Hydro Pump
You’d want to use him with a rain setter and support ex

[sweet parcel]

you can make multiple grid presets for him, up to 4

[bitter canyon]

I see thank you

Alright Now I need to find some units to put with him

Wait I can just pair him with May Swampert and Sabrina Alakazam

[clever thorn]

That’s one potential team, but the gauge might be kinda tight

[bitter canyon]

hmm good point

I'll ask elsewhere since this is for sync grids

[foggy urchin]

Does anyone have a no hail grid for sneasel

[sweet parcel]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/13302/21500?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFGx4pKy8yMzQ1
this is my 3/5 grid, the remaining energy can go for Triple Axel BP or Restoring Strike or Mighty Rush
or adjust a bit to get Burst In

the grid doc has 4/5 non hail grid

[foggy urchin]

Thanks

[ashen bough]

is there a version of raihan grid that uses mind boggler? is it worth activating anyways?

[cloud crane]

usually not worth activating since you'd have to use twister or fire spin for it to trigger while you want to spam sandstorm and TM to go for the enhancers

[copper verge]

Yeah it's hard to justify it honestly, I think I had some examples with it in the past but maybe they disappeared when I updated with the grid expansion. Grids has a lot of good tiles and Raihan is pretty busy doing something else than triggering this ^^

[primal wasp]

For a Fire Team with SSMorty+SSMay+SSHilda, should SSMay be the Sync Nuke over Hilda here? Also what Grid complements this team well since I mostly will not be syncing with Morty (I assume)?

So for example, I like syncing with SSMay first for the Mega Tax and then using SSHilda to finish the stage while SSMay provides DPS, so this team would probably like to use SSMorty's Crit Squad Tile but I think that's pretty much it besides maybe try to extend the life time of his teammates

Can maybe go for Sun Support Tiles if I hit the upper left corner

Something like this maybe?

[merry onyx]

are you not syncing with morty?

[bronze dragon]

The real question is how are you burning

[ashen bough]

should i use blue's harry build? i use him for hurricanes only, but is there something that the harry build offers?

[copper verge]

No, Sync with SS Morty first for EX Support, Megaing is not mandatory and doesn't do much. Whether you want second Sync from Hilda (AoE Wipe) or May (Single Target Burst) is up to you and your gameplans / the stage you're fighting (note that if it's for quick CS MM on-type, you can just wipe the stage first Sync with Hilda lol). Then you adjust the grids accordingly to this.
Your current May grid is not very cohesive, either you nuke or you don't, you can grab Hostile Environment to support Hilda if going that route, also reminder BK accuracy isn't needed cause the TM gives it already. Otherwise make Hilda "no nuke" and have May work on her nuke to burst down mid. Again, really depends how you're planning out your battle there is no universal answer.

[copper verge]

Harry is for more DPS, only use if pairing with flinchers (eg. Falkner, Anni Skyla etc..)

It's generally overkill as Hurricane already hits hard enough so you generally would rather focus on more Sync power, still cool for higher numbers if you want ^^

[primal wasp]

So should I change the SSHilda Grid too then? Make her DPS, May Sync Nuke, and Morty just full Tank?

[elfin crypt]

Oh I forgot Blue got a boost

[sinful smelt]

Got his bloost

[gentle sun]

Coming home to Roost for his bloost

[foggy urchin]

Who has a soften up grid for Bea

[gentle sun]

Probably can be further optimized, but if you’re fine giving up Critical Charge this one should work:

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/25000/86500?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFDBEUFRYZGx4hJCgrLi8

Unfortunately you kinda have to give up Critical Charge to get Soften Up

[deep cradle]

I wanna sync grid my eevee / leaf pair but I don’t know if I want to get the +5 stat buffs or the potion mend, which is generally the better option?

[round bridge]

You should get either Adrenaline or Recuperation (the middle yellow tiles)

They will both be a better than friend mend or stat tiles

[deep cradle]

alright, ill go for those then, thx

[spring belfry]

S-Move: Physical Boost ↑2 9
Increases the user’s Physical Moves ↑ Next effect by 2 ranks after using its sync move.

nemona

[shrewd sparrow]

Field grid form

[sweet parcel]

[shrewd sparrow]

sprint

they're just inverted Tech and Strike lol

[fading gulch]

wait staggering 3 hot damn

[sly fulcrum]

Pomatool is done?

[shrewd sparrow]

released the initial version

won't update until weekend

all the sync grids are there

[sweet parcel]

thank you for your hard work

[spring belfry]

thats only 40 percent tho

[spring belfry]

wanna ask does b double shock works like ash but for speed

[sweet parcel]

idt we have got numbers for it yet

[fading gulch]

40% on every move is very good though

[spring belfry]

if it works like ash

its a game changer for dps

[shrewd sparrow]

you shouldn't ask about mechanics that are yet to be released...

[sly fulcrum]

I'm guessing it works like ramming speed

[shrewd sparrow]

I know as much as you

well, you can't say that... Ash's B Thunderbolt is similar to Sync Power Flux

and look how much Ash's B Thunderbolt hits lol

[sly fulcrum]

True

[fading gulch]

B thunderbolt literally has the bp of a max move 💀

and it gets affected by smun so its just absurd

[sly fulcrum]

But the fact that it's a scout, another powerful effect of free move to Allies and can be refreshed

No way it's power is sky high

[shrewd sparrow]

no comment on a 2 Bar 172 BP move?

[sweet parcel]

i thought you were talking about Stored Power until i opened Gloria's page

[sly fulcrum]

Pretty strong

[gentle sun]

Extremely quick 3/5 Nemona grid that focuses on damage and having an external Paralysis source like Volkner. Can probably be optimized

[cloud crane]

So Hop ony gets a super effective node?

[fading gulch]

and first aid 4

its kinda shit lol

[cloud crane]

oh ok. didn't notice that.

guess can use Hop for steel weak when solgaleo is occupied maybe

[fading gulch]

nah

[cloud crane]

for newer players

[fading gulch]

dude has sub 300 atk thats copium

[cloud crane]

ah still fine. just need that post sync i guess

so probably take some sync countdown params

[gentle sun]

I would've liked a move modifier for Hop, tbh, but the Supereffective Up is fine

It's also hilarious

[fading gulch]

shouldve given him towering force

yes ik its +1 def

[sinful smelt]

Hop can already presync, super effective up is truly funny

[fading gulch]

no what wouldve been hilarious would be towering force

[icy raven]

Mhm.....🤔

[stone chasm]

That +5 Speed breaking the symmetry

[icy raven]

Dam, they should have gave Gragalge Sludge Wave.

[fading gulch]

sludge wave sucks

[icy raven]

It's the AOE stats down that I was looking for

[gentle sun]

Too unreliable for anything outside of LG and she's also a Spotlight

[bronze dragon]

If only there was an aoe poison debuffer to scout right now

[icy raven]

Isn't the garbage pokemon your talking about 🤔
Sorry for thr ping

[bronze dragon]

Yes

[icy raven]

Anyone know if it's possible to build Calem and Fennikin with
Scorching Sync 5, Battle Buff 3 And Burn Synergy all together 🤔

[merry onyx]

probably not

considering they're all in separate corners of the grid

[bronze dragon]

It's not, 2 energy short

Baffle Buff 3 is the better multiplier but using 3 Psybeams sounds very bad

In practice you will not use Psybeam and his teams won't be confusing often

[icy raven]

Was going to use with teeter tance tech, if was possible

[bronze dragon]

It's possible, it's just not worth it

You'd just use a fire dps instead of a 30% set up for a weak unit

[gentle sun]

Definitely seems like more work than it's worth to try and get both regular moves and Sync Move when all he's got for regular moves is Heat Wave

Lodge Calem seems more fit for dual damage-dealer teams

...Why the heck is he a Strike pair

I legitimately thought he was Tech at 1st

[merry onyx]

A very good question

[icy raven]

I don't know what this speed and field units 4. All I see is tech style grids in them. Hope fully
Nemona and Pawmot / Leon and Dragapult comes at the end of the month. Those 2 seem to be the best to get overall in my opinion.
Gloria and Cindarace would have being PERFECT if they gave him AOE MAX move.

[zinc meadow]

All we know atm is what the new role mechanics are for EX

But also dude….what are those grids

You’re not even going for the actual multipliers that improve the unit’s power.

[fading gulch]

why on earth would you take vigilance on nemona

[icy raven]

Nothing else left other than staggering, that would defeat the purpose of what I chose these tiles for

[fading gulch]

why are you going full defense

they can do damage

are your grids just trying to give everyone aneurysms because it feels like it

[icy raven]

I don't use tech pairs as DPS unless I am forced to. That being said, the only ones so far that fell under that is so far
SS Steven and Deoxys
Candice and Abomasnow

[merry onyx]

dont… use candice for dps

i promise you even something like gladion will do more than her ice punch

[zinc meadow]

Tech pairs can be meant for damage too, it just depends on who.

[bronze dragon]

My eyebrows reached the top of my forehead when I read SS Steven and Candice as the duo tech dps

[zinc meadow]

I was crying at that comment

[icy raven]

I forgot that the water event forced me to use
Serena and Greninja

[icy raven]

Any time I was forced to use her, she have never failed so far I will look into Gladion.

[clever thorn]

Alt Leon was specifically designed to be a damage dealer; not using his damage is a waste

Nemona isn’t the greatest dps but she was definitely designed around her 2 nukes

[icy raven]

All I see for Leon is for pecking order

[clever thorn]

Over 90% of modern techs were designed to be damage dealers

[clever thorn]

And not his 240 base power move?

Besides, every single sync nuker with pecking order is a tech (except for OG Dawn)

[icy raven]

Woops 😅, pecking order is not what i was ment to say. I'll look for it.
There we go. The right words are POWER PLAY

[clever thorn]

Even then, power play is only on techs

[timid marten]

Like Leon Alt's inate Nuke is Power Play

[bronze dragon]

He's literally a brute dps

[icy raven]

Yup, yup, just had to check to see if was crazy, I couldn't find any stiker with power play or have in build in their Nuke. I guys for the future I sopsoe.

[gentle sun]

Techs are a sliding scale of combining utility and damage. Some of the strongest damage-dealers in the game are Techs

[elfin crypt]

Does GloriA2 particularly want high move levels?

[round bridge]

Her grid isn't that beneficial, you get Haymaker which helps in gauntlet/for sidemons, and Dashing Team 9 is interesting, but no DPS multipliers

At 2/5 you fix the accuracy

[elfin crypt]

Gotcha thanks

[sly fulcrum]

Most sync pairs this datamine are easy to skip

[round bridge]

Mmm I don't find any of them that appealing

Not to say they are weak

[icy raven]

Not even Alt Leon and Dragapult 🤔

[round bridge]

The (Alt.) is offputting enough

[icy raven]

What you mean by that 🤔

[round bridge]

It's a shit name, would be better as Leon (Battle Tower) or similar

The kit is fine and strong but I won't be pulling

[sweet parcel]

Everyone has different mindset

They have a reason to save gems

[elfin crypt]

Aye, sometimes a godawful jacket is enough to prevent me from pulling the strongest unit ever

[zinc meadow]

I just don’t care for Leon lmao

[bronze dragon]

At this point it's hard to make units have something appealing for veterans

Tower Leon is a brilliant dps but... You are not baiting people by being a very good dragon dps

League Gloria having 3 rebuffs and types is the only fancy thing from the units this update

[icy raven]

Have you no shame 🤔

[clever thorn]

Not everyone needs to like every character

[icy raven]

Not even a about the character

[clever thorn]

Annie said that she doesn’t care for leon, who is the character

[icy raven]

That's what I am saying to that person

[echo crypt]

you are not making any sense still... she doesn't like Leon, nothing wrong with that, what's your point?

[icy raven]

I am saying not picking a pair becaue is linked to a character you don't like is ubserd for this game

[gentle sun]

It really isn’t

[clever thorn]

The game is pretty easy so there’s no reason to pull for people or pokémon you don’t like
There’s no pvp so there’s no need to optimize

[echo crypt]

if anything, meta chasing is the absurd thing to do

[bronze dragon]

All content and rewards is pretty much clearable for f2p units so if anything the only reason to scout should be whether you like the unit or not

You can like a unit for the trainer, the pokemon or the kit, or maybe to enhance your other fav units, but if you don't care about a trainer why would you scout them

[clever thorn]

Is this a decent grid for PB Hop without Adren or Wise Entry?

[fading gulch]

i guess it is but i dont know why you wouldnt take adrenaline now that he has ex

[placid heart]

Freevenge doesn’t prock unless it does

[cloud crane]

Maybe I'm the minority but have never taken healthy healing. With first aid I guess there's more reason not to go that way

[bronze dragon]

For CS you would prioritize Adr1 or WE1 over HH
For LG you would rather pick the 2 MH1 over HH

[fading gulch]

healthy healing is convenient but i personally never took it

[fading gulch]

or be me and get infinite potions and tms

and adrenaline

:waiting:

[bronze dragon]

It's just in a very bad spot and Hop isn't attacking until a couple turns have passed

So you are not even procking HH that often in quick battles

[fading gulch]

whats the point of emergency huddle

is it like def at critical hp

[bronze dragon]

+1 Def at low HP

His bottom left quadrant is terrible

[fading gulch]

ok yeah thats awful

[clever thorn]

With my playstyle I often use a denial nuke on the left side

And for special attacking stages I’d definitely take Wise Entry over HH

Healthy Healing is just neat for sometimes maintaining healthy benefits

[fading gulch]

oh so you dont have skill issue like the rest of us

[clever thorn]

I have skill issue, i rely so much on denials that i never learned how to consistently quad queue

[fading gulch]

i just cant

somehow

even when i spam its like a 30% chance i actually quad

[elfin crypt]

Same lol

I neither turn denial nor quad queue consistently though

I just take the hit and continue on LMAO

[elfin crypt]

Yeah as the others said, it’s the opposite for this game. Unlike most other Gacha, using F2P units as well as only pulling when your favorites arrive helps you clear all content

[stark berry]

The game isn't really hard if you spend your gems wisely, as difficulty is really f2p friendly, but if you want to get them all, you will need to whale hard

[elfin crypt]

Yeah the sheer number of limited banners makes getting everyone a very improbable task lol

[copper verge]

Gotta catch 'em all

[elfin crypt]

What?

[elfin crypt]

Hmm not everyday I actually got a lot of candies to go around. Leon Alt works fine enough at base at least so I’ll keep holding them for now

[umbral juniper]

Is there an updated blue/pidgeot grid?

[merry onyx]

there is, check the pins

[umbral juniper]

I forgot that was there. 🗿
My bad. Thanks!

[copper verge]

All Grids for this month are done
#1008010844547842079 message

[hidden jetty]

So uh, I was considering candying someone (also I want alt Leon later)
RN I have 3 Tech candies.
Who from here would benefit most? (I guess excluding Gordie and Calem)

[cloud crane]

I honestly feel C Hop & Adaman are top candidates

SS Silver then Oleana after that

[hidden jetty]

Is that so? Mind giving a simple explanation?

[sweet parcel]

+candy

[mystic forge]

—————————————————-
Who to Candy List - #1010259551225921626

- Order inside the tiers take in account how good and how much units gain from grid.
Last Updated: July 31st 2023
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/905961727030616115/1135689952219381770/Candy_List.png

[sweet parcel]

you can check the candy tierlist

[cloud crane]

i guess the candy list is kinda better. but yeah the justification is that both do get the big nukes like most techs plus a bit of utility. honestly SS SIlver does gain quite a bit as well but and kinda needs that 3/5 a bit more but think that both these master fairs are better overall at 3/5

[fading gulch]

is this what most ppl use on sonia

[sweet parcel]

Generally people use the Staggering grid

[fading gulch]

hrm

but i like my potions

[bronze dragon]

Mh1 is all you need for general content

[fading gulch]

i guess

[zinc meadow]

As someone who loves Potions a lot, the Staggering is amazing and Sonia is still a reliable Potion MP Refresher

[fading gulch]

so same situation as leafvee i guess?

[zinc meadow]

Pretty much
I do have the full Potion as one of my presets but I’ve almost never had to switch to it

[copper verge]

Look at it this a way, a flinch is equal to at least a potion at the end

[zinc meadow]

Makes you not need to use one

[clever thorn]

If you don’t take int immunity

[copper verge]

Well immunity is 50 points while half healing is 100, so flinch is just more value at the end

(regardless I'd take both and ignore while rushing down so w/e but just to entertain the discussion)

Also when I said "at least" I meant it. But anyways there is a reason while multiple builds are shared, just use preset and pick what fits on the moment

[gentle sun]

I personally run a Spark HE + Spark TFT grid most of the time on Sonia

[copper verge]

Same actually because I use her mostly for that specific scenario, but still niche and not what I'd call "generic"

[gentle sun]

Fair enough

[clever thorn]

Maybe i should use staggering more often

[fading gulch]

you know i actually switched to staggering and it proc’d on the side for the ebe

[zinc meadow]

Huzzah

[fading gulch]

although really it only needed one more hit to die so it was rather inconsequential

[violet yacht]

Is there a sync grid for hop with the power boost?

[sweet parcel]

check the pins

https://tenor.com/view/discord-lightmode-pins-check-oof-gif-21218729

[zealous condor]

What tezm xould use surging sand 1 C blue ?

And why should i use that ?

Cuz i'm confused as of: Why should i use this ?

[bronze dragon]

If you are using Ingo, or you are not using SS Diantha and are using a sand setter like Anni Raihan or Rose

The first grid is just generic

[zealous condor]

Alright

I have all 3 so i guess it's up to how i wanna play him

[icy raven]

I use this 1

[zinc meadow]

I’m not sure why’d you pick all the nuke tiles and none of the Hyper Beam ones. Or hell, even the other utility tiles

Kinda forgot he has so many sync tiles in the first place

[fading gulch]

not picking cs1 is kinda dumb imo

specially cuz hyper beam accuracy is directly next to it

[zinc meadow]

Nuke tiles aren’t as much in power as multipliers, is that right?

[bronze dragon]

No

You cannot convert it to a simple "multipliers>BP"

CS1 is a multiplier
Haymaker is a multiplier
They're very different

Adding CS1 is a benefit of 2.3/2.2=4.5%
Adding 25BP to a 192BP sync is a benefit of 217/192=13%

[zinc meadow]

What’s the benefit of picking all those nuke tiles, then?

[bronze dragon]

13%

The more you add onto an additive sequence, the lower diminishing return

That's why CS1, which is a bruto 10% boost, ends up being a 4.5% neto if Inertia and CS2 are already in the addition

[zinc meadow]

So it is better to pick the actual multiplier tiles?

[bronze dragon]

13% > 4.5%

For sync, it's better to pick BP nodes instead of CS1

A different story is considering CS1 more effective because it boosts dps too and as Taiyo said, it's next to accuracy

[zinc meadow]

Dude, I need layman’s words, I suck at understanding numbers versus words

I’m good at math but the reason I sucked at my higher math classes was pairing them to situations is tough as nails

[bronze dragon]

I mean the issue here is we're talking about this grid, which is extremely niche

It has to be super effective and you are using Double Edge

[fading gulch]

yeah using double edge is ick

[bronze dragon]

The first one shared here is much better

[zinc meadow]

I see

[fading gulch]

he doesnt get recoil removal until he syncs

[placid heart]

He doesnt get double edge until he syncs

[bronze dragon]

Well...

[fading gulch]

brain not here today it seems

[icy raven]

1. I don't use hyper beam
2. His base nuke is shit

[fading gulch]

hyper beam is literally better dps wise

and its fine?

[icy raven]

In my testing. Double edge do more damage on super effective

[fading gulch]

that’s literally untrue

223 bp and 427 spatk vs 167bp and 403 attack

there is no situation besides wise entry x2 where hyper beam will do less than double edge

[icy raven]

Idk what to tell you
It out damages hyperbeam everytime I use the gird that is posted.

[fading gulch]

almost like you intentionally picked a multiplier for double edge

and not universal ones

and even with superduper effective 2 it still wont outdamage

so i honestly dont know what you’re doing

to where double edge is outdpsing hyper beam cuz math says otherwise

[icy raven]

In the end. Yes. I intentionally picked that multiplier

1. CS1 is to far and cost to much in my opinion
2. His Nuke is Physical, so I also went with Physical
3. I will almost always pick on ontype multiplier if available
   That's just me no. I wasn't saying that my route is the best. Just the one I use.

[zinc meadow]

When you show a grid you use, people take that as it being a grid to recommend, which is the opposite of what your material is. Please remember that.

People who are good at sync grids are much more suited for giving advice such as that. And we have the pinned doc for a reason.

Also remember this is a help channel. People who ask these things want advice on their grids and 80% of the time, ways to improve it. Giving a grid that does not improve anything does not help anyone.

[bronze dragon]

His sync being physical doesn't make going for Double Edge more appealing than Hyperbeam

He maxes both his Attack and SpAtk

The reason why you could be dealing more damage with Double Edge is if you are ONLY on-type and ONLY debuffing Defense, not SpDef

But yeah, when someone is asking for a grid it's for something generic unless specified, your case is a very specific scenario

[merry onyx]

What's the best lucky skill for a 1/5 nemona? I've seen talk of head start, would that be best?

[sly fulcrum]

Pretty much

1/5 nemona is used for utility and sync accel, your TM reduces by 2 and hs1 by 1 more to skip one cycle

[merry onyx]

Sweet

[warm magnet]

What if 3/5 to 5/5 ver? Still head start?

[sly fulcrum]

Yeah

Depending on how u build at 3/5 onwards nemona helps to do some chip damage

But at 5/5 she gains enfeeble 2 and hit para opponent: spdef and defense drop

Which is her 2 strongest tile imo

I would do this if I have her 5/5 it's a good general grid 👀

[bronze dragon]

At 5/5 she gets 2 PMUN post sync

So it's even less of a reason to give her CS2

[bronze dragon]

I think this grid is useful for LG only

In other contents I don't think she should be paralyzing

In CS you might not even click Thunder Punch at all

Enfeeble 2 is better than Hit Paralyzed Opp drops

[warm magnet]

This looks good. Ty for the tips. I'm enjoying her combo a lot and thinking to 5/5 her. Gonna try this when I got enough candy

[sly fulcrum]

U should follow this too

Enfeeble + staggering 3 is probably better for cs mm

[sonic slate]

is there a reason why his grid takes debut damage reduction instead of max guard or something? feels like it would be less generalized than damage guard, personally.

[bronze dragon]

It's a very small difference

None are very impactful, pick the node you like the most

If Victor isn't going to tank then MAX Damage Guard is pointless most of the time

[lofty cliff]

What's the best way to get sync orbs?

[merry onyx]

events and the daily sync orb training area

you can get 900 a day

[sweet parcel]

Trainer Lodge is also a great place to get sync orbs, once you set up expedition teams properly

[cunning fox]

I take issue with whoever designed this grid. The double edge power ups being 4 energy is just insult to injury.

[placid heart]

I agree

[bronze dragon]

It's a high BP move so it makes a very small difference anyways

[cunning fox]

Anyways you guys like my Liza grid?

[fading gulch]

why did you take all of the damage tiles

personally i would take synchro healing instead of all those psychic tiles especially considering we have a guaranteed spdef dropper that also happens to be aoe in gen pool

[cunning fox]

Hold on I managed to improve on it

[cunning fox]

I’m memeing with this grid

[fading gulch]

theres already a grid thats pseudo striker on the grid doc

might as well just use that if you’re memeing with her

also oar on psychic is bad

[cunning fox]

I actively went through and seaked out every special attack tyle I’m more committed to the bit than that

[fading gulch]

only a 30% proc

and its single target

[cunning fox]

I want to squeak every bit of damage out of this grid so that it’s completely and utterly unviable

[fading gulch]

i mean

it kinda is?

[cunning fox]

I’m not sure if we’re having a communication problem here

I made This As a joke because I think it’s funny

I also have a nuke grid for Marley

[fading gulch]

yeah um

i wouldnt really post joke grids here

this is more so suited for people who want actual help

[cunning fox]

This post was about actual frustration

But I’d done that once before (granted a long time ago) and the reaction I got was fine so I thought it would be ok to post this one

[past axle]

What would y'all recommend

[echo crypt]

second link, the doc has recommendations for everyone

[past axle]

Thank you so much

[sturdy valley]

Hi guys...just a quick question. Iam a new player and have HooH now at EX...but what's about his sync grid? Is there another quest I've missed to get his sync grid orbs or do I have to convert the regular ones?

[sweet parcel]

you have to convert the general orbs to Silver-exclusive orbs

[sturdy valley]

Thank 👍 just wanted to get sure that I don't waste orbs while converting them

[shrewd sparrow]

[jaunty kestrel]

Is this good for Red?
I heard that it is ok

[sly fulcrum]

Why protect SMUN?

If u are going full SMUN sync nuke it might be better to TM SMUN and instead of blizzard bp tile go for sync node tile

[sweet parcel]

@shrewd sparrow BP Falkner's grid looks weird

all sync tiles got replaced with TM tiles

[shrewd sparrow]

lol

woops

[merry onyx]

it also shows hes a fire type

[shrewd sparrow]

nah, he's not Fire type (anymore)

lol

[merry onyx]

ohh

outdated ver

we love real power: power 25

he was right it is real power

[shrewd sparrow]

fixed

[sly fulcrum]

Palmer sync hit and buff is it really 9%?

[shrewd sparrow]

nope

100% lol

[jaunty kestrel]

K
Thanks

[gentle sun]

Very quick, likely further optimizable grid for Power Boost Hilda if you want to get all the new tiles:

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/400/50000?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBgcICQsOESgqLjAxMjM0NQ

[primal wasp]

How are people doing NC Blue's Grid? It seems pretty fine for Electric but I am trying it as Generic Support and not sure what to really hit.

Quick Cure, Synchro Healing?

[gentle sun]

It really depends on what you want from him

He’s got a lot of options

[primal wasp]

I am definitely hitting the Vig tile

I have like 6 energy left; how useful is Unflappable?

[fading gulch]

not really

if you get flinched just reset

[primal wasp]

Okay, going for stat increases then, I think I hit most things I need

[gentle sun]

Yeah, Unflappable is pretty niche

[merry onyx]

Attack over more syncing tiles?

[gentle sun]

I wanted to get one of the Standfast 5 tiles with that grid and the extra Attack tile was right next to it, can easily make changes for more Sync base power tiles

[merry onyx]

Fair

[gentle sun]

Like I said, it can probably be further optimized

[merry onyx]

Lil bit

Another sync tile in exchange for a flare blitz pu

[gentle sun]

Yeah, that seems like it’d probably be better

[bronze dragon]

Considering Standfast 9 as staple, I'd pick between TM H&H9 or Standfast 5

And TM H&H9 sounds better

Otherwise it becomes redundant and you spend too much energy in non-damage tiles

[deep dagger]

With the amount of new pairs incoming, spark & team are going to get burned out lol

[gentle sun]

That’s fair

[fair sleet]

@shrewd sparrow tiny bug that might be the result of the Mega evo, but SS Red's new Standfast 9 tile is not highlighted when you hover over Flare Blitz. Oh I checked Hilda and it doesn't highlight either. So maybe it's intended.
And Soften Up doesn't highlight when hovering over any sync moves. Not sure if that's a bug either.
Thanks for the quick updates and awesome site though! Don't want to nag or be ungrateful. Just wanted to give some feedback.

[shrewd sparrow]

the highlight is not a fully functional feature

I made it for testing stuff in the early days of the app

but now, the skills are not easy to map, so is not correct always

[copper verge]

A good amount of 4-year anniversary has been added to the doc
#1008010844547842079 message

[placid heart]

That was so fast

[copper verge]

Just happened that I was pretty free today and relatively hyped to work on this

And yet there is still 11 more units to go (fortunately more simplistic ones so it shouldn't take too long)

[placid heart]

[shrewd sparrow]

rejoice french users

since that language will be added lol

[sweet parcel]

[primal mason]

I wonder what a good grid for NC Blue would be

[merry onyx]

furious brain brainpower duh /j

[primal mason]

NC Blue dps realll

[pallid oak]

how's this for NC Red's non-hail pure sync nuke grid?

[copper verge]

It's fine, almost same as the example in grid doc, I just prefer Furious Brain than Protect boost for consistent dmg output, but works as a burst option too ^^

[crystal tiger]

Today's a good day

[ashen orchid]

DPS ss blue?

Feel free to share 5/5 grid for ss blue if have any(tank or DPS), feels quite strong but doc don't have any yet

[elfin crypt]

Huh?

The doc is updated to have 5/5 though

[ashen orchid]

Only 4/5 tho

[clever thorn]

I guess that just means spark doesn’t value freevenge or team raincoat

[ashen orchid]

I see

I thought freevenge pretty good for 4 gauge

[clever thorn]

The recent cs params have kinda sorta devalued chip supports

[ashen orchid]

Wonder why they don't give extra energy for 5/5 expand unit

Blue has too many good stuff

[gentle sun]

SS Blue already has plenty of gauge support though

[fair saffron]

Which is the best NC Red grid in the pins? Hail summon?

[sweet parcel]

There is no best grid. Just copy all builds and rotatee between them depends on yout needs

[bronze dragon]

But Hail summon isn't good

[sly fulcrum]

Honestly depending on who u using with

[fair saffron]

Probably gonna use him with Irida sometimes and the other NC Kantrio other times

[sly fulcrum]

Then u should make 2 grids

[copper verge]

Cause 5/5 only has useless tiles
(or niche one that you should feel free to pick if it's really needed for a specific scenario)

And if you wanna Rain "Strike", everything is available at 3/5 already

[merry onyx]

How're these for my 4 preset blue grids? Is anyone running a different setup?

First one is just full tank with mprs on x def for survivability, second drops that for first aid, third is impervious with wise entry and the last one is in rain

[bronze dragon]

Yeah those are good grids

SS Blue's builds can vary a lot because he doesn't have game changer nodes other than TM stuff but he has many solid nodes

[merry onyx]

Ye true, I just like to keep general builds that I can use without having to change it up a lot, but generally he just works for a whole lot of stuff

I love how he got TFE and TGE

[bronze dragon]

It should have been 1 node

I hate it when they unnecessarily split stuff like that

[merry onyx]

You're 100% right

They couldve given us team ferocious entry for like 10 energy and called it a day

And freed up something else for his 2/5

[bronze dragon]

Exactly

Or make TGE2/TFE2 instead of 1

[merry onyx]

But then he'll overshadow the master fair version of him

[bronze dragon]

Nah he's not even close

[merry onyx]

I know lol, was doing a /j

[bronze dragon]

In fact I'm quite disappointed with SS blue expansion

With how late he got it I would expect more modern nodes

[merry onyx]

That's understandable yeah

Red's is even more sad imo

[bronze dragon]

They gave him Team Rain Coat which is a Party Crashers level of node

[merry onyx]

Yeah it is a little situational

[ashen orchid]

I see, thanks for the explanation

Another 5/5 expansion that doesn't change anything

Like metagross

[stark berry]

Party crashers is my favorite SSB node

[uneven wyvern]

I am looking for Dana’s sync grid

[bronze dragon]

[rancid forge]

With a 3/5 Dana I am also looking for her grid

[stark berry]

Is the only unit besides Lillie (and the new Giovanni) that can ensure CRIT on sync, max moves

[rancid forge]

I'm not looking for a grid for my 5/5 SS Blue

[gentle sun]

You’ll need to either wait for the pinned document to be updated or try experimenting in-game or on pomatools, basically

Assuming no one has come up with one in here yet

[bronze dragon]

1-It's on entry, once
2-The more modern you are as a unit, the more likely you are to set up in 1 turn and kind of be forced to waste the sure crit pre-sync
3-It's kind of counter intuitive with Support EX, which he introduced, kind of making you use the sure crit with an attack move

[stark berry]

I like to use it to clear the stage with 1st sync or max move post SSB sync

[bronze dragon]

And it's 15 energy at the edge of a dead quadrant

[gentle sun]

I think in like 90% of situations you’re playing extremely suboptimally to eliminate a 20% chance of a non-crit Sync/Max Move with that tile, tbh

[stark berry]

I mean if my 1st sync can delete the stage, I don't think is suboptimal if the only thing that can make the sync not clear the stage is missing the crit

Ofc I won't use party crashers for stuffs like legendary gauntlet, but for master mode I love it

[bronze dragon]

If your sync can delete the stage first time then you're ontyping CS with a strong nuker or facing a very easy stage

Or using NC Red

[stark berry]

Not that party crashers is needed or anything, but for an on type nuker is fine

I like using it with Gordie

[fading gulch]

does party crashers not proc on mega

[stark berry]

Nope, only 1st time it enters the battlefield

[fading gulch]

yeah thats bad

15 energy?

ew

[stark berry]

However the only other unit that can give guaranteed crit to an ally so far is Lillie

[stone chasm]

It's worth sacrifice 2x sync move power, for one Ramming speed ?

[stark berry]

If you grid for party crashers, it means that you are trying to clear the stage by 1st sync

[gentle sun]

Can try both and see what works best for you

[stone chasm]

There's any place where specified the % of ramming speed per buff level ??

[gentle sun]

+5% per +1 Speed, max of +30%

You can see what all damage modifier passives like that do in #916852044692856834 pins

[stone chasm]

Thanks o/

[copper verge]

Not really, the 2/5 entry tiles are great, and 4/5 bring First Aid for more sustainability. Honestly a great expansion all-in-all, but yeah 5/5 itself is kinda pointless.

[merry onyx]

Is this fine for a bp falkner nuke grid? Or would double down be better than a sync tile on type?

[muted gust]

I've SS Blue and SS Red at 5/5 both. I have not seen a sustantial upgrade to Red's grid, I wanted more power for Blast Burn, but seeing it's not there, what can I upgrade? Same goes for Blue, no clue how to make him more tanky.

[fading gulch]

ss blue is already one of the tankiest supports by default

[bronze dragon]

Use First Aid 4

[elfin crypt]

Steven 3/5 boost bloody when DeNa

Does NC Leaf get anything amazing at 2-3/5?

[gentle sun]

Extra Power Play tile, for one

[elfin crypt]

Ooh nice

[copper verge]

All Sync Grids up-to-date in the doc
#1008010844547842079 message

[placid heart]

All grids speedrun any%

[sly fulcrum]

Spark is motivated

[fading gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-chair-dmc-yamato-gif-21401933

[ashen orchid]

I go into a 2 or 3 pokefair unit pool hyping up before 5/5 metagross just to let them slap me with tank tiles

[crystal tiger]

Oh, so all of Valerie's Sync PU nodes deal more damage than Double Down 5?

[sly fulcrum]

There's another grid for double down 5

The one you saw is probably for offtype

[muted gust]

Can someone recommend me a 3/5 Sync Grid for Regice?

I want to use her as tank in a NC Red + Irida team

[gentle sun]

Pins should have grid options

[muted gust]

Okay, thanks! What would you recommend me as Lucky Skill? I don't have Deluxe cookies, so I can't give her Healthy Healing, Sentry Entry 2 or Mind Games 2, but neither Vigilance because she already has it as a passive.

[merry onyx]

stoic and fast track then

or, alternatively, do gauntlet (which is currently running) and get deluxe cookies

just do the stage you can beat fastest, reset your streak, rinse and repeat

preferably with an auto team

[clever thorn]

She doesn’t even need a lucky skill that badly anyway

[sweet parcel]

She has Team Toughen Up 9 so Stoic is not good on her

[gentle sun]

Defense Crush or Mind Games might be one of her best Lucky Skill options, tbh

[clever thorn]

She’ll probably only attack once or twice in a shorter match tho

[gentle sun]

That’s fair

[sweet parcel]

In longer battles she wants Healthy Healing for additional healing

[distant lark]

any SS Ethan 2/5 grids?

[placid heart]

If there aren’t any in pins look at a 3/5 grid and take whatever you can from those

[crystal tiger]

But is it worth dropping Furious Brawn?

[bronze dragon]

Yes

It would get very diluted with all his SMUN, master passive stacking and other multipliers

Maybe if you don't run Irida you could consider it

[gentle sun]

Dana doesn’t have Furious Brawn, I’m not quite sure why you replied to that

[copper verge]

Probably was talking about Valerie. I'd say yes if going Double Down your point is going for a powerful AoE clear on-type so might as well focus on that. If that's not necessarly your aim, can re-arrange to pick Furious Brawn. Again those grids are example, you should arrange your own grids based on your needs/goals ^^

[bronze dragon]

I misread furious brain and thought of NC Red from the convo

[stone chasm]

Do you guys prefer use Clemont & Heliolisk with grid for: Sync/Parabolic charge or Tank/Utility (I'm reviewing the possibilities/teams for the future Electric event )

[copper verge]

As the names suggest, totally depends on his role in the team

[ashen bough]

Do we have sync builds for the new bp units yet?

[clever thorn]

Seems like it #1008010844547842079 message

[ashen bough]

Oooh the bot doesn't load them yet

[latent warren]

soo, imma need a sync grid for a 3/5 NC Red

[placid heart]

Check pins

[ashen bough]

why is sync wall considered bad on olivia?

[sweet parcel]

most of time its not useful

in CS context you dont have a good reason to sync with her if no EX

even in LG too, she doesnt have Recup or Synchro Healing, so syncing with her is not worth it

also Crit Shield is only up for 1 sync cycle, but most of sure crit of LA bosses are in later bars, at that point your team should have a way to skip bars. But you can time her sync to block the crit yeah

[clever thorn]

It’s also bad since she’ll most likely have vigilance, so it’s only useful if the enemy buffs crit/has sure crit and uses an aoe move

[keen bridge]

Would champ Red Articuno 3/5, Irida 1/5, or SS Ethan lugia 1/5, want weathered warrior over critical strike 2?

And if so, which one the most out of the three

[clever thorn]

Probably irida, since she’s most likely to only be attacking under weather
There’s a decent chance you’ll use ethan or red outside of weather

[keen bridge]

Alright appreciate it, will it make much of a difference with her, or should I save it for a different future unit. Because I only have 1 of them from deluxe cookie

[clever thorn]

It’s probably not going to make a difference since she already has 90% multipliers at 1/5 (Sinnoh Spirit, Space Spreads, Invig Hail 5). Imo WW3 is a luxury, the difference is really small anyway

[keen bridge]

Alright nice thank you, I’ll save it for a bit then.

[copper verge]

It's not considered bad, it's just only useful if looking to stall a timed sure crit hit on LA, so not really meant for generic examples

pick it if you need it, otherwise it's not useful in general

[austere mirage]

My question is, damage dealing wise, who is better between Cinderace & Blaziken

I used both of them in NCS today on the same team, both at 1/5 Cinderace hit harder?
Where does one become superior to the other one?

[zinc meadow]

Questioning why this is in the Sync Grids channel…but iirc, Challenger Gloria relies on rebuff for good damage. She is also more meant as a second damage dealer than a first.

[austere mirage]

It's more of a how does their grids make them different/better than one another question

Incase I decided to candy any of them, which is "superior" to the other

[copper verge]

Yeah the question can't be answered in a vacuum, needs context

[austere mirage]

I mean, simple way to put it, who would deal more damage at max grid?

Full debuffing, rebuffs etc

[copper verge]

And in the context of Special Stadium, I don't think the difference matters that much, even at 1/5 both, they'll both be very effective there (note that some stages are noticeably stronger than others)

At Max grid, SS May is a little stronger but not that much. Their utilities mostly differenciate them, rather than their dmg

Both max grid will annihilate Special Stadium fwiw

[austere mirage]

Pretty much answered my question with this

[dense eagle]

Is anyone esle going to build Blue as a pseudo tech support with flinch and noble roar nodes?

[sly fulcrum]

Noble roar what

[merry onyx]

probably means his atk and sp atk debuffing on discharge

which is not noble roar but functionally they do the same thing

[clever thorn]

The debuffing nodes are in 2/3 of Spark’s recommended builds lol

Not like his grid has that much good (or rather universal) stuff besides the debuffs

[bronze dragon]

You cannot choose to build flinch or not

But lowering atk and spatk is one of the best things of his grid

[dense eagle]

Was more question of going for Hostile Environment or not

[bronze dragon]

No, that's team specific

[shrewd sparrow]

https://twitter.com/pomatools/status/1697484899765125571

PoMaTools (@pomatools)

Added EX Roles to the app, including the calculator. Hope nothing has broken...

Twitter · Sep 1, 2023, 5:41 AM

[stark berry]

Is worth giving 3/5 Shauna vigilance lucky skill, or is better to give something else and pick the node from the grid?

Is 10 energy but is close to rejuvenate 6

[merry onyx]

I'd just lucky skill her it

Saves up 10 energy on a grid

[bronze dragon]

Rejuvenate 6 isn't even that useful for her

[merry onyx]

Yeah lol