Sync Grids

[unique wedge]

here are my Jasmine grids for those who want

In order : Phy support / Spe support / LG Team Shout / Grand or Fierce Entry

For Phy or Spe grids, variations may apply on Unbending/Stalwart depending on stage. The first two also assume your Jasmine is EX and syncs first. For LG you can also not take Team Shout path and pick Unbending and Stalwart depending on the arena. These also assume you're syncing with Jasmine and playing on type, if not you have no real use for the SEUP refresh (in which case you forfeit also the rest in that section probably).

Grand/Fierce entry instead of TM MPR allows for +2 of the ATK/SPATK stat after sync (cause those passives proc on entry and sync) like this : https://i.imgur.com/8GHEcLu.png Once again here you can vary it for Physical or Special by taking the Mighty/Clever path and Unbending/Stalwart path at your leisure.

[cloud crane]

honestly maybe not. just seems like fun to have

[bronze dragon]

No lol Ch Calem is much better

[unique wedge]

updated my grid post with a fourth variation as i was reminded by cami entry passives proc on sync (always forget that lol)

[old niche]

@unique wedge Do you have one with paralysis focus? Static Cling?

[unique wedge]

for Tornadus in Arena?

[old niche]

Yup maybe

Or teams that could utilize the paralysis

Ghetsis with para synergy

[unique wedge]

the top right part of the grid is annoyingly costly because of the electric terrain part but basically you'd pick the Cling 9 then really just adapt what else you need starting from this base https://i.imgur.com/6TEMjgw.png i guess

you can grab 2 potion MPR and one MH

you can grab one entry, one friend 9 and TM MPR

it's very very situational, her grid is complicated

static cling 9 is also ultra situational as well

if you run on Tornadus you'd likely go with potion MPRs for safety and anti toxin as lucky skill

[sly fulcrum]

It's probably better to create 2 grids, 1 for mighty friend and team fierce entry, another for clever friend and team grand entry

Maybe another as a potion slave 🏃‍♂️

[unique wedge]

yes that's my post slightly above #1009587872342478908 message

although entry is only +2 of the stat and only after sync so i don't value it that much myself

[sly fulcrum]

Depending on your team comp, it can be the top up of the last 2 stat

[unique wedge]

yes

[sly fulcrum]

But yeah her grid is complex

[tranquil socket]

uhhh

[placid heart]

Oh that’s Lillie lel

[tranquil socket]

yeah

[stuck compass]

Tbh I'm too lazy to do anything more than 1 grid for hjasmine. I made the Phys and spec support grids but imo Im prolly gonna be too lazy to use em

[cloud crane]

does it have adrenaline?

both of them actually

i honestly felt that adrenaline is the only thing that needs to be there. the others are just to make her even better or for niche uses

[stuck compass]

I didn put it in tbh

I'm probably just gona use the MPR spam grid tbh for every fight

[sweet parcel]

Her base kit doesnt have any reactive passives so Adrenaline isnt necessary

[cloud crane]

ah. i dont have her myself but was wondering that adrenaline would be nice so since i would rather use one of those SE/TM than a thundershock after sync

and all her TMs are single target so difficult to quad queue with

[sweet parcel]

Yeah i think Adrenaline is really nice, but not necessary to have

[cloud crane]

i guess yeah

so then why are there opinions that she needs 3/5?

i feel her kit is great at 1/5 itself

[stuck compass]

I haven't thought of a team to slot her into tho

[cloud crane]

wouldn't any ontype team be good?

[stuck compass]

I have snorlax for gladion

But I'm thinking she could potentially bring Kris to new heights

[cloud crane]

oh goodness

[stuck compass]

Yes

[cloud crane]

kris is already crazy

on type

[stuck compass]

Ikr

Bye entei

[bronze dragon]

The problem in her case is not having reactive passives or not, but as ARK mentioned before all of her TMs are single target, so the only move you can quad queue with her is thundershock

And thundershock is the least important move in her kit

[cloud crane]

as a consolation, the thundershock will get a gradual healing tick

might help with gauge. don't know if 0 gauge or 1 gauge with gradual healing is better. probably 0

[bronze dragon]

It's about the same gauge wise, animation covers the 1 gauge used

[stuck compass]

Sorry what does that mean

[bronze dragon]

That the difference in the longer animation of thundershock compared to her TMs covers the 1 gauge you spend in comparison to 0 of her TMs regarding the time your gauge has to refill

[stuck compass]

[stark berry]

I think C calem is solid too, dark zone/rain, fast buffs

[cloud crane]

Yeah definitely. Mostly better too. Just personally like Jasmine and her kit

[stark berry]

Will see if I can get her at the end of the banner

If anything, it will be post datamine

[cloud crane]

Yeah. Same here. But doubt that ever works in reality for me at least

There's something new and shiny always

[stuck compass]

i kinda personally just like jasmine and her giraffe ❤️

did you get her? if so, how are you using her? iirc you mentioned you wanted to take the adrenaline node in her grid?

[cloud crane]

Lmao. Giraffe. I didn't pull for her though she's kind of a fav. Her kit is also good but the Serena banner was pitiful to me

[stuck compass]

ah yeah 😦

i had to hit pity for calem so i understand

[placid heart]

How does this grid look for sole DPS alongside Hilbert(ex) and Candice(ex)

[icy raven]

This is what I would go for

[placid heart]

I don’t plan on syncing with him lel

[placid heart]

I did check the pins and none of the grids looked like this so is it a bad grid?

I’m just going to change the grid if it’s that bad

[gentle sun]

Lemme check pomatools for what he even has

Your grid actually seems like the best option

I guess change out the Freeze stuff for more Glacial Lance base power and Attack tiles if the opponent can't be frozen

[placid heart]

Kk

[gentle sun]

Or go up and get Super Victory

If no Freeze shenanigans

[placid heart]

It’s a general grid so on type candice typically just one shots center mon

[gentle sun]

Fair enough

[bronze dragon]

It's not that hard...

[echo crypt]

you expect too much of people

[bronze dragon]

[placid heart]

That’s like not the same grid tho

[bronze dragon]

Doesn't it look like yours?

The only difference is that one has some extra attack and GL nodes while yours has Invigorating Hail 1

The builds are there so you can get an idea to find an answer yourself so we can avoid having the same questions again and again

[placid heart]

I see

[solid comet]

Who should I give my one 5* support candy to between these 3?

[placid heart]

Def SSAcynthia or SClillie

Maybe SSAcynthia because she’s a better unit 🦑

[solid comet]

Okay I’ll go with Cynthia

Thanks

[old niche]

Is holiday whitney even that interesting of a sync?

[gentle sun]

She’s huge for utility. 3 types of terrain is no joke and she’s the only Grassy Terrain setter other than SS Lyra

Plus gauge accel/crit shield and with grid Headbutt flinch

[old niche]

Yup I can see the super flexibility

[old niche]

It's best to just use her as utility right? And not bother nuking with her?

[bronze dragon]

No, she has a great sync

[dense eagle]

You're going to make me pull her now

[bronze dragon]

I mean she's absolute value of a unit:
3 uses of 3 different terrains
Flinch
Horn leech sustain
Solid DPS
Great sync

[old niche]

Even for a normal type

I'll use her mostly in grassy terrain cos that's where I need it most

[stuck compass]

her conditional aoe buff/debuff is nice too

but idk if i shld pull 😦

[dry glen]

Dude has one use and dena didn't have the decency to at least give his grid a passive to bypass other passives that prevent stat reduction

[gentle sun]

Well such a passive doesn’t exist

And any stage where you’d need to reduce the stats you can do so

[old niche]

Actually, whitney is like the best terrain partner for Giovanni/Mewtwo

He just needs a sp. Atk buffer

[bronze dragon]

Anni May + SS Brendan is still better

H Whitney is never the best option but she's great in all her options

Jack of all trades master of none

[stark berry]

I feel like Bede is a bit better, since he can give the mid -4 spdef and -3 to the sides while providing psychic terrain for 1st sync

And at 3/5 can also get -6 with RNG

[gentle sun]

Holiday Whitney’s biggest terrain use is Grassy Terrain since the only other source is a Master Fair, but for stuff like LG having all 3 terrains available (as well as associated debuffs) is very nice

[old niche]

I wish I had Anni May

[stuck compass]

I wish I had both 🥺

[molten cradle]

Whose the best ice type that’s free to play

[sweet parcel]

Well, Ghetsis

[stuck compass]

Free 6* EX with a 4 bar move and a great nuke

[stark berry]

BP Candice is good too

[sweet parcel]

She is top 3 at best, in term of f2p ice type

[stuck compass]

How does one use bpcandice? Im guessing she really wants flat stat increases from themes etc

[sweet parcel]

Yeah she wants ice type partner

Personally my fav team for her: Glacia and OG Candice

Can replace OG Candice with Ghetsis, but Ghetsis will outshine her

[kindred stag]

Hail setter

[kindred stag]

Ghetsis's so good he might even be in top 3 best f2p units

[sweet parcel]

Top 2 are Cyrus and Silver right

[bronze dragon]

Ghetsis isn't that good

Especially after such a numb power boost

[kindred stag]

of course

and ghetsis' power boost is very good, he got what he needed

[bronze dragon]

[sweet parcel]

[stuck compass]

Interesting ty

[dusky hatch]

Not the best use, but one team I found funny was doing a freeze lock team where you just stop the enemy from attacking, with Glacia/Palentines Bea as partners

[stuck idol]

anyone has sycamore sync grid setup pls share

[placid heart]

Check the pins

[stuck idol]

what is the best sync for him, hybrid or horn leech??

i want to make him un killable and he will gain more and more hp

[placid heart]

There isn’t a best grid but if you want to make him unkillable use horn leech

[stuck idol]

is this a stable sync grid for him or any changes needed??

[echo crypt]

I mean, didn't you just copy it?

[old niche]

When is Anni N coming out?

[gentle sun]

#1012256199128915968

[stuck idol]

I did make some changes is this good for him

[bronze dragon]

If you took the base from the pins you already know it's good

The grids in the pins are to give you an idea, you don't have to copy paste, you are free to adapt them to your needs and make them more specific too

[potent quail]

Is it any worth candying HNessa to 3/5?

[cloud crane]

i guess she does get the multipliers but then tech candies thing. anyways close to the datamine so waiting for that seems like a plan

[bronze dragon]

H Nessa is not even worth scouting

[sweet parcel]

yeah 3/5 unlocks more multipliers and Icicle Crash Aggr1 which is good for LG

tho 2/5 is fine cuz Hail MPR4

[bronze dragon]

If she's a fav then go ahead but yeah, she's not that good compared to other limited techs

[potent quail]

I needed her for hail setting. Not for damage specifically.

[sweet parcel]

At base she is already good at hail setting

[gentle sun]

As someone who's hugely biased in favor of Holiday Nessa, if all you're using her for is setting Hail then only candy to 2/5 if you really need the MP Refresh. Don't 3/5 unless she's a favorite

[potent quail]

The icicle crash hitting pretty decently too at 1/5.

[gentle sun]

Oh, it's definitely some solid damage. She's part of my main Ice team

[merry onyx]

So how are people building fantina for dps? I was gonna do this for the sp defense drops but idk if it'd be better to take power flux/cs2 or both

This was the other one I came up w

[gentle sun]

For Shadow Ball damage you’re probably better off taking the modifiers and leaving Sp. Def. debuffs to a teammate, but if you don’t have anyone able to do that you can definitely go more of a hybrid utility/damage build with On a Roll + Mind Games

[merry onyx]

Got ss brendan and lucian so they could cover that role fine lol

[gentle sun]

Also, no reason to not take the +20 Speed tile from Masters Day grid tiles on the 2nd grid, it’s 0 energy cost

[merry onyx]

Yeah that was a lil mistake xd

[stuck compass]

Oh wow fantina got a grid expansion?

I thought it was just cheren

[echo crypt]

Cheren was last month

and Kris was the spotlight that got an expansion alongside him and the 2 other

[stuck compass]

Oh

Ty

Who was the last one?

I only took note of kris for that month

[bronze dragon]

Cheren got a grid
Kris and Fantina got power boost
SS Leaf and Marnie got an expansion

[stuck compass]

qn how good is fantina after her power boost?

i really shld check leaf's expansion

[gentle sun]

Solid Sync nuke and can act as a hybrid damage-dealer/Sp. Def. debuffer

[stuck compass]

oh wow ssleaf looks lit

shld i candy her to 5/5 😮

[gentle sun]

If she’s a mega-favorite you can

I wouldn’t say it’s necessary by any means though

[stuck compass]

she looks really strong tho

[gentle sun]

Grass is already a loaded type and it doesn’t mean a whole lot for Poison stall unless you really need her to do almost the entirety of a Poison stall team’s roles herself

If you really want to 5/5 her feel free, but it’s by no means necessary

[stuck compass]

hmm i guess thats true

pinpoint+noxious hit+powerplay feels really good tho

[gentle sun]

Pinpoint Entry is 2/5, not 4/5 or 5/5. Venomous 2, Toxic Freebie, Noxious Hit, and Power Play are her 4/5 and 5/5 tiles

[stuck compass]

yeah

i just added pinpoint coz it makes her a reliable aoe debuffer with hem in, noxious, and her passive

[gentle sun]

It’s better to look at things this way: do you already use SS Leaf for your Grass damage-dealer?

[stuck compass]

i use brendan 😦

ssleaf has vigilance 😦

[gentle sun]

Then you really don’t need her 4/5 and 5/5 tiles

[stuck compass]

yeah 😦

she's just a really good debuffing tank

[gentle sun]

In the end it’s up to you though, so if you really wanna get her to 5/5 you can feel free to do so

[bronze dragon]

Her problem is she can't really afford it

The nodes are good but the builds are energy expensive

[stuck compass]

yeah

[sonic scroll]

What’s setup for Fantina 5/5 sync grid

[placid heart]

Check the pins or you could build your own

And we can critique it

[sonic scroll]

What about Jane, Surge and Agatha

[placid heart]

Pins

[lapis pewter]

I've built my own. Is this good?

[placid heart]

I’d grab the cs2 tile instead of the

Sync tile

[dense verge]

anyone know a good sync grid for colress? i literally have no clue how sync grids work oops

[placid heart]

Sync grids are basically a way to boost a units usability in a sense, sync grids make units more powerful and the game prolly explains it better than I, but the general consensus for grids is that there is no best grid but one good for a situation the pins have grids listed in the doc but if you want to try and build your own look at yellow tiles and sometimes red ones and read

[dense verge]

sorry for the late response, but thank you!

[zealous breach]

Is the new grid for Janine good for poison stall?

[gentle sun]

It makes her better at it

She was already a core component for a lot of Poison Stall teams

[zealous breach]

Do we have a good grid?

[gentle sun]

Not sure if the document is updated, but the grid is mostly QoL, so it's a little hard to go wrong with it

[zealous breach]

Oh okay thanks!

I always paired her with Lucy.

[gentle sun]

A nice Poison stall core

[old niche]

Janine makes for consistent poison procs

And Lt Surge is kind of insane for sync nuking

[sweet parcel]

Both get some QoL tools which are really nice

Surge is a better gauge battery and can buff team speed

[bronze dragon]

Well he does some damage now in his sync, nothing like a nuke

Just 300 SpAtk at max without EX isn't impressive

[crystal bay]

How does this seem for a stall build?

Usually I pair her with a unit that inflicts badly poison, that's why I'm avoiding top right paths.

[cloud crane]

Seems kinda nice

Could also take TM pep rally maybe and the sp defense tile on the way rather than the quick tempo route

[crystal bay]

I was thinking about it.

[molten cradle]

What’s a good fantina grid

[bronze dragon]

[stuck compass]

Does her poison become elevated to badly poison?

[timid marten]

No

[shrewd sparrow]

it is complete....

[shadow wadi]

The Ultimate One

[spring belfry]

complete bee hive

[gaunt pewter]

dena's golden child

[old niche]

Wait this is her new kit?

Wth is this even worth picking her up to 5/5? Cos I got 2 strike candies

[sweet parcel]

do you really like her?

and outside of Slash, her new tiles dont buff her strike potential much

[sly fulcrum]

It kinda does if u exclusively use her as a sand striker with WW3

[bronze dragon]

Dust kicker + sand alert 5 is a dope bundle

[unique wedge]

CS12 Slash go brrrr

[elfin crypt]

So is Cynthia worth candying to 4 or 5?

[bronze dragon]

Yes

[stuck compass]

We lose slash after the sync tho

[unique wedge]

uh no

you got that in reverse

Stomping Tantrum is replaced by Slash upon sync

you don't think they'd give a full update to a move that you can only use pre-sync surely lol

[stuck compass]

Ah Ty

[stark berry]

We get slash after the sync

However i don't feel slash is worth much

[stuck compass]

Yeah it's kinda sad

It's a 2 bar so it's gona be very hard to scale

[bronze dragon]

Slash is now as strong as a Blast Burn or Hyperspace Hole

[stark berry]

I'm getting convinced to get her to 3/5 6ex now

[stuck compass]

Before multipliers for those 2 moves?

[bronze dragon]

So it's a matter of how much you value aoe

No, with multipliers

(Not like Blast Burn has any)

[stark berry]

5/5 is great for gauntlet, but in cs you still want the sand before the sync

Is any new unit worth more than Jasmine?

[bronze dragon]

SS Diantha, NY Lisia, or the current Ch Calem, Ch Serena or H Whitney

[stuck compass]

That sounds like everyone

[bronze dragon]

Basically

[stark berry]

I feel that SS diantha wants 5/5

Unlike tbolt red zone extension is a 5/5 node

And unlike tbolt red you can't set rock zone with someone else to keep the buddy move active

[bronze dragon]

It's a similar case to SS Wally grid

Is it good to go over 3/5? Yes
Is it needed? Not at all

[stark berry]

But wally has rebuff too, even at 1/5 you get a full support kit

[bronze dragon]

And SS Diantha debuffs defense

[stark berry]

Is the grid on game press?

[bronze dragon]

Yes

[stark berry]

Should check, from Twitter datamine is always hard to grasp the full kit

[unique wedge]

you can also use poryphone @stark berry

good for mobile

[untold owl]

Wally & Gallade

<:GRID_SYNC:967786997982830712> __Sync Tiles:__

(3) Rallying Close Combat: Power +25
(3) Rallying Close Combat: Power +25

<:GRID_MOVE:967786997265629195> __Move Tiles:__

(1) Close Combat: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.
(1) Dire Hit: MP Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.
(1) Focus Blast: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.

‎

(2) Here I Come!: Ferocious Moves 9 - Raises the user's Attack and Sp. Atk by 1 stat rank when its move is successful.
(2) Here I Come!: MP Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of restoring one MP of the user's move when that move is successful.
(2) Low Sweep: Move Gauge Refresh 3 - Has a chance (40%) of charging the user's move gauge by one when a move is successful.

‎

(3) Close Combat: Stat’s Quo 4 - Has a chance (50%) of returning the user's lowered stats to normal when its move is successful.
(3) Dire Hit: Critical Eye 2 - Raises the user's critical-hit rate by 2 stat ranks when its move is successful.

<:GRID_PASSIVE:967786997215264808> __Passive Tiles:__

(1) Natural Remedy - Removes all status conditions from the user the first time it is inflicted by any status condition each battle.

‎

(2) Cakewalk - The more the target's Speed is lowered, the more it powers up the user's sync move.
(2) Grand Entry 1 - Raises the user's Sp. Atk by 1 stat rank when it enters a battle.
(2) Ramming Speed - The more the user's Speed is raised, the more it powers up the user's moves.
(2) Speedster’s Sync 5 - Powers up the user's sync move when its Speed is raised.

‎

(3) Critical Strike 1 - Powers up the user's attacks when they become critical hits.
(3) Critical Strike 1 - Powers up the user's attacks when they become critical hits.
(3) Endurance - When the user enters battle with full HP, applies the Enduring effect to it.
(3) Fierce Entry 1 - Raises the user's Attack by 1 stat rank when it enters a battle.
(3) Quick Cure - Removes the confused, flinching, and trapped conditions from the user the first time they are inflicted each battle.

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[unique wedge]

it's better in #bot-zone ofc (grids for new pairs are there as well)
it reads from gamepress so it's the same data

[stark berry]

I meant the grid layout, not the list of tiles

[unique wedge]

ah fair those are only on PoMaTools that i know and it' s not updated yet

there will be an announcement when it does 😉 #pm-bulletin-board

[bronze dragon]

It's in Gamepress

[unique wedge]

gamepress has the layouts now? TIL

you lied to me

the Wally one is the old one as well, it's not updated since it snapshots PoMa Tools

[unique wedge]

but they asked for Wally, where is that?

i can't also access from desktop 🤨

[unique wedge]

Racer you can continue to play smug or provide a helpful link i'm not gonna ask twice

especially since the user asked earlier too

[bronze dragon]

You said I lied to you and showed you it's there, in Gamepress, where Ketsuban asked

https://gamepress.gg/pokemonmasters/tool/sync-grid-planner-tool

[unique wedge]

i am on gamepress right now on the pair pages

thank you

[sweet belfry]

Isn't the grid layout on character page always broke? At least that's from my experience

Anyways Wally updated grid is there on the sync grid planner page

[unique wedge]

Aye

doesn't seem like it's broke for older pairs

[merry onyx]

hp +50 seems so random

[unique wedge]

less random than the nerfed Synchro Healing on Diantha i'd say
her upgrade makes little sense to me

[merry onyx]

lmao yeah 💀 idk how to feel about dena implementing more one-time passives

like some of the ones shauna has on her grid

what even is the difference between her satisfied snicker and karen's satisfied snarl

do they not do the same thing

[vivid yoke]

I wonder if dust kicker is even worth on cynthia

I have her 5/5 but i feel id still rather run a sandstorm user

Id keep sand alert 5 tho

[unique wedge]

Ropalme posted a pretty nice Slash grid earlier

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/651487042886172682/1056852485748314122/Screenshot_20221226-040223594_1.jpg

[vivid yoke]

Does it outdamage eq?

[unique wedge]

on single target it should (if EQ hits for split)

but don't take my word for it yet

[vivid yoke]

I wonder if its at all possible to fit sand alert

You already gotta cut sde5

[bronze dragon]

That's an offtype build

Otherwise you'd pick SDE5 over Slash CS3

[unique wedge]

yes of course, Ropal usually favors off type i reckon so not surprised there lol

still the difference in power upgrade from Cynthia and Diantha is really confusing

also from what i see you can actually pick both SPD5 and CS3 it seems https://i.imgur.com/0NSOotR.png

[bronze dragon]

So if we count every multiplier as Critical Strike, that would be Slash CS 24

[unique wedge]

would have never predicted Slash to be made relevant but i'm genuinely excited to see the calcs

[stark berry]

Not that EQ bp is that high to being with

So i think slash may outdamage

[unique wedge]

and split too

[elfin crypt]

Huh Slash actually hits hard now?

[unique wedge]

ok i wasn't crazy i did read this

[stark berry]

If you have 6ex shouldn't be an issue, since the sync should destroy the sides regardless

[unique wedge]

right yeah, meant to say Earthquake on its own isn't that impressive nowadays

her sync dmg upgrade was very welcome

[stark berry]

5/5 works well with Gigalith

[stark berry]

Why lodge dawn has on a roll 4 for struggle bug in her grid?

[unique wedge]

that's the biggest confusion this morning

[stark berry]

Isn't struggle bug already 100% chance?

[unique wedge]

it is

best guess is it's a mistake (could be either ingame or from gamepress, happened before, nothing major)

[stark berry]

Maybe it's supposed to be satisfied snarl 4 or bug buzz

Hope isn't bug buzz

[unique wedge]

Bug Buzz? There's no passive named Bug Buzz that's a whole move

what did you have in mind

[stark berry]

Maybe they intended to give her bug buzz

[unique wedge]

oh uh, maybe yeah

[stark berry]

Or maybe it was supposed to be satisfied snarl 4

[stuck idol]

I have Cynthia at 4/5. Should I candy her one more time since it seems most of the new cool stuff is at 5/5?

[stark berry]

Probably, maybe from 3 to 5 is a bit steep, but from 4 to 5 should be worth

[stuck idol]

Thanks!

[stark berry]

Expecially if you have Gigalith and don't have Ingo

[sly fulcrum]

Sad truth about cynthia is my ground is so stacked I have no reason to candy her

[shrewd sparrow]

https://twitter.com/pomatools/status/1607390167144210434

PoMaTools (@pomatools)

Updated the site with the information from the version 2.28 of the game... This includes the topics of Dawn!

Twitter · Dec 26, 2022, 2:57 PM

[sly fulcrum]

So sync grids are in?

Thanks for the hard work 🙇‍♂️

[unique wedge]

thanks StDk!

[old niche]

Is Wally now a better sync nuke?

[unique wedge]

yes he got 50% more damage on it

which isn't much for him but he got some nice other stuff as well

Wally was always decent anyway, the grid focused on giving him faster ramp up and that bonus sync dmg

[gentle sun]

Oh wow, Wally is tons better with those extra grid tiles

[bronze dragon]

I think it's a mild power boost

He still suffers to buff speed and debuff speed

[unique wedge]

Roxanne is an ally of choice for Special Wally in that regard

[gentle sun]

Speed is easily handled by a Support, to be fair

[unique wedge]

but now thanks to his new TM tile he can max ATK on his own

you can frankly just put a Marley even for +6 speed without refresh

Cakewalk enabling is more of an issue for sure

[gentle sun]

1-turn max crit is very helpful

[unique wedge]

aye but one thing that's kinda idiotic

[gentle sun]

Opens up teammate options

[unique wedge]

[gentle sun]

Old design

[unique wedge]

yeah i wish they'd address those (and Steven's shitty Power Chain someday)

[gentle sun]

A shame that it's not as useful as it once was

[bronze dragon]

The problem is the support he wants is SSA Cynthia, which doesn't help his set up aside crit

And now he has dire hit ++ for cheap anyways

[sly fulcrum]

Yeah I was thinking wally didn't need more crits

But dena gave exactly that

[unique wedge]

it's a good addition still, but fast track 9 would have been welcome

[sly fulcrum]

Cynthia gets all the love for her grid expansion once again

[unique wedge]

Diantha is the biggest mystery

[lament plaza]

Huh. Can't tell how much of an improvement Wally'sbsync grid expansion is tbh

How much better of a sync nuke Wally is compared to before? Compared to other sync nukes?

[bronze dragon]

His sync is about 20-25% better than before

The best thing he got imo is the stat buffs, being more flexible to use along SSA Cynthia

But it's definitely not the power boost he needed

[lament plaza]

It just makes him easier to get max stats. I honestly think much of the original sync build doesn't change. Like... maaaybe you can invest a bit to his sync attack???

But at least getting to max stats now is no longer the problem

[unique wedge]

he's slightly more self sufficient but i agree that ever since Kris, those feel a bit lacking

[lament plaza]

My gripe is that I feel like Wally and SSA Cynthia are gonna end up competing for who mega evolves first

[unique wedge]

SSA Cynthia you mean?

[lament plaza]

Yeah

[unique wedge]

if you're going for special wally, he doesn't require Mega that much

Cynthia def wants it

for zone refresh and 2x https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/681659012798087196/1056803274939977739/Screenshot_20221222-201427.png

[lament plaza]

That's one way to delete lol

[unique wedge]

zone on-type is generally an easy recipe for massacre so i wouldn't worry too much
off type you press 2 more buttons

[lament plaza]

Dunno about you guys, but I like to pair Wally with SSA cynthia with Bea

[bronze dragon]

Slow set up

Wally and Bea will spend several turns clicking TMs to each ending up half buffed

[lament plaza]

Aww. That's super sad then 😦

[ocean onyx]

Isn't struggle bug on a roll from wormadam useless? Because sb reduce the stat anyways

[sly fulcrum]

Thoughts?

Weird one

[bronze dragon]

I'd suggest this

[sly fulcrum]

No grab bag 9?

Is there a reason

[bronze dragon]

It's not a good skill for her

[sly fulcrum]

Hmmm alright

[placid heart]

All that and he still needs 2 supports

[primal wasp]

Working on my SSDiantha

I would like to look into possible Cakewalk Peeps she benefits

Okay there are some really cool ones

Kukui benefits from it with lycanrock

Okay so in Terms of DPS, her and a third would be likely Classic Blue or the Subway Twins since Exadrill seems like the obvious Support Lead. This would mean Sandstorm stuff

Dang she sort of does a lot even without Zone Focus

For Nuke

Technically can remove the bottom right hand, add soften up 1 and an Attack Mod

Would require 5/5

For Zone w/o Nuke

Not confident enough to make other Grids for Sandstorm Builds w/ and w/o Nuke. Like I don't know if she would focus that much on Zone if built for Sand

She seems actually quite good though, I would say better than SS Wally for sure

[bronze dragon]

The grids are good but she has nothing relevant related to sand

[snow fox]

Sure she might not but pretty much any Rick teamate she'd be run with will

[lone sun]

is this better than surging sand builds now? lower mover gauge makes it easier for dual striking with Courtney at least

[kindred stag]

sand builds are still probably better

[lone sun]

did the calcs and it looks like earthquake still outdamages slash for single target

[primal wasp]

I think the Sand thing is sort of maybe walling? She has utility in Sand a bit

[timid marten]

Kind of shocking tbh, Crit Strike 12 can't even match up to AOE?

You're blowing the sides back with the nuke anyway

[lone sun]

Well if earthquake is just hitting center then it’s not aoe anymore
The comparison is between CS12 slash vs surging sand 5 earthquake btw, since you can’t pick both CS and SS

[bronze dragon]

Pick slash BP nodes instead of stomping tantrum stuff

You're missing like 30% damage boost

Something like this

[lone sun]

ah

[placid heart]

How come slash grids don’t take ramming Spd is it to hard to setup?

[bronze dragon]

1-no energy
2-its not as favourable as surging sand

[placid heart]

I see

[lone sun]

you can still do it but it gives up SS2

[bronze dragon]

You need to give up something else after SS2

[lone sun]

fierce entry?

that's not needed at all if you're running ingo (which you should)

[bronze dragon]

Still not enough energy

[bronze dragon]

Then you're giving up +50 sync bp

[lone sun]

fair enough

[bronze dragon]

It's a mega sync with 160bp at base, that +50 makes a huge difference

Whereas going from Ramming Speed to SS2 is a minuscule difference because she has like a 290% multiplier for Slash

[primal wasp]

Does Blaine’s Grid help him compete as a Weather Setter?

He doesn’t have any MPR for Sunny Day though

Wally and Diantha are receiving Grid Expansions?

Okay Wally’s Grid Expansion isn’t on the Gamepress Wiki apparently

Diantha’s is idk

Is it good?

[cloud crane]

Probably yes to all. Blaine was a cheap sun setter and got marginally better

[primal wasp]

Hmm

If Diantha got better, how much is that worth?

[sweet parcel]

Pomatools is updated

[sweet parcel]

She isnt better damage wise, all she got are fixing gauge and setting up Devastation easier

[primal wasp]

Ah okay

Wally’s Expansion seems meh

Like worse than Diantha’s imo

[sweet parcel]

Well it fixes his ramp up

And add a little bit damage to sync

Tho +50 hp is such a meme node

[cloud crane]

For them post haste enthusiasts

[snow fox]

He is quite fragile, though honestly I didn't nuke much with him anyways

That TM boost is much appreciated though cuz he still wants to TM for accuracy

[cloud crane]

yeah. that TM boost does actually fix his major shortcoming

though with some other upgrades like Karen, fantina, Kris etc. they went beyond just that and gave them better dps &/or sync options

[snow fox]

Tbf Wally already has good DPS because Focus Blast is stupid good.

[cloud crane]

i guess but the mega curse is still kinda on him

but yeah much better

[snow fox]

Yeah but he's just not much of a nuker as much as he is a DPS

[cloud crane]

true. i think focus blast pre mega is good enough.

can still use an EX support

think there was still room to give him an ontype dps multiplier as well

[sweet parcel]

still finding a third slot for Wally - SSA Cynthia team to max his atk and multipliers

the problem is zone ends too soon

[snow fox]

I found Lucian to be a good fit

SSA Cynthia honestly supports his damage so much that spdef drops and his speed buffs end up completing the team perfectly

[sweet parcel]

i really want to use Lucian, but zone is a problem

i want to nuke with Wally

[snow fox]

Don't

Just don't

[cloud crane]

yeah. that's still his biggest problem

[sweet parcel]

[snow fox]

You need sync acceleration if you intend on nuking

[cloud crane]

sophocles may be a weird budget option for that

with trip up and possibly flinch on the same move

buffs wise I guess its going to be weird still

[placid heart]

I’ve been told sstred is one of his better partners

[snow fox]

Wally? For nuking definitely not considering SSA Cynthia is clunky enough

[sweet parcel]

1/5 Red

[cloud crane]

I mean if you've got SST red and SsA Cynthia to support Wally...

[sweet parcel]

yeah, better nuking with Red

[snow fox]

Then you aren't getting Fighting Zone

[sweet parcel]

zone and terrain dont overlap

[snow fox]

Because all reds perks derive from elec terrain

Oh yeah

Forgot that

[cloud crane]

It's the countdown reduction of Sst Red that's great here

[sweet parcel]

yup

[snow fox]

God I hate these sometimes lol

[cloud crane]

And speed debuffs of course

[snow fox]

In that case yeah potentially

[cloud crane]

With ssa Cynthia and wally i personally would just forego the sync nuke

And get another dps fighting unit

[snow fox]

But yeah in general just go focus blast

[cloud crane]

But yeah there's the Wally favourite thing

[snow fox]

Now if you could sync with Wally as well

Then you could abuse both phys up and special up buffs

And be funny

[placid heart]

You can sync with Wally if you sync with SSAcynthia use red max move and then sync with Wally in zone

That’s what I was told

Don’t bother maxing his stats

[sly fulcrum]

Lmao wally needs that kind of support?

I wouldn't bother with that team when u can literally make 2 other teams with cynthia and red

[placid heart]

I mean cynthia is to be put with other units not the other way around

AniMay is Also a good partner because of the def and Spd debuffs and the sync countdown

[sly fulcrum]

Wally needs another grid expansion

This one feels really weak tbh

[placid heart]

He’ll get a 5/5 grid one day maybe

Not like his grid wasn’t already expensive enough

[sly fulcrum]

I have no idea why dena decided critical eye 2 was a good idea when mega gallade alr has zero in

[placid heart]

He still needs +3 crit for sync

But that’s still easy when ssa cynthia can max his crit in 2 turns anyways

[sly fulcrum]

They should've just given wally furious brain or cs3

It's not gonna break him anyways

[sweet parcel]

old game design lol

[sly fulcrum]

Dena decided that cynthia deserves all the grid expansion love

[placid heart]

Why couldn’t they give him actual inertia

It’s a mega sync like you said it wouldn’t break the game

It’s a mega sync with a unit with low stats

Even

[sly fulcrum]

Meanwhile cynthia slash can hit as hard as 4 bar moves

[placid heart]

Wally prolly hits as hard as some 2 bars

[cloud crane]

yeah. could have given him the extra multiplier

[sly fulcrum]

Wait spark likes lisia?

Didn't know that

[cloud crane]

BIGly

Keeps putting out the disclaimer that Lisias placement on tier lists are independent of his personal views

Truly so

[sly fulcrum]

Tbh lisia is now very good fairy striker

Just boring

[copper verge]

This is so bittersweet..

[sly fulcrum]

At least she hits hard now spark

Boring but effective

[copper verge]

Well OG Lisia can hit hard too if played correctly.. but yeah well, at least the alt is there and she is cute af

[sly fulcrum]

Same

Dawn got shafted but I'm still going for 3/5

[copper verge]

Well at least Dawn gets the "fun gimmicks" treatment

[sly fulcrum]

Actually her best outfit imo

[copper verge]

agreed

NY outfits are generally very gewd

[sly fulcrum]

I'm still gonna try to make her work even tho I have korrina

[copper verge]

I mean, not saying she's OP or whatnot, but already underrated tbh, she just needs a sup and can do some fun+effective stuff 🙂

[sly fulcrum]

She's easy to buff up

The only problem is how to get the best of her rising tide sync

[unique wedge]

wdym boring

Rapidash Roulette is the best

press tm, fish for , pray for refresh, do it again, maximize that nuke, unleash the pony

[sly fulcrum]

Tell that to spark

[copper verge]

[rotund talon]

for wally, do focus blast +2/+5 take precedence over both critical strike 1s?

[copper verge]

iirc the optimal is to grab 1 Critical Strike 1 (that has a decent path) and invest in power nodes insteda of the second one

[sly fulcrum]

The shortest cs1 is at the bottom right

Probably not the best grid but something like that i guess

[bronze dragon]

Imo you either pick full sync pack or nothing

[sly fulcrum]

Yeah I thought as much

Looking at wally only having one passive pre mega

Oof

Instead of critical eye 2 they should've gave him trip up 9

[rotund talon]

thank you

[rotund talon]

yeah not even sure if speedster sync is worth

could be wrong but because the expansion was underwhelming, he might still function best as a focus blast bot

just more self sufficient and 50 more hp ( )

[rotund talon]

this looks good to me, there's potential to substitute the speedster sync, but idk what with

[sly fulcrum]

Probably don't take that and ferocious TM

Try to grab other cs1?

Idk

I just know I'm probably not using wally again sadly

SSA Cynthia also doesn't do any speed drop or buff for wally so it just hurts even more

[rotund talon]

wally's fun and with half decent support, he's sufficient for any fighting weak stuff (even prior to the expansion) imo

his kit is definitely confused though

[fickle surge]

Anyone made a good 5/5 grid on Cynthia I don't think she can afford all the sand multiplers

[copper verge]

Well the tile barely costs anything, if you plan to Mega but not focus on Cakewalk, it's a decent addition tbh.
I'd consider Gran Entry as well depending on the support your bringing

[bronze dragon]

She can afford all sand multipliers, but grid expansion nodes are not meant to be accessible, most are 10 energy or more

Also Cynthia has the biggest grid ever so there's many different combinations

You can even argue about which should be her main move

[lament plaza]

Not to poop on original Cynthia, but I don't know why the grid expansion's needed when there's Maxie or SS Giovanni

Or does the expanded grid actually make original Cynthia better than the two?

I'm honestly missing something. My guess on the theory is probably fan favoritism?

[bronze dragon]

Slash becomes a great single target DPS
Dust kicker + sand alert 5 is brilliant

[cloud crane]

Finally, unlimited sandstorm

[lament plaza]

Can't get both supposedly I think. Either go for the Slash or the Dust Kicker

[timid marten]

Cynthia does become the best Sandstorm setter huh? Interesting way to use her, but she can really accelerate double strike in Sand

[bronze dragon]

Not saying she can pick both, but having access to those nodes is top

Dust kicker + sand alert 5 is masterfair material

Personally I'm going to stick with earthquake

Sync kills sides in MM so I'm not appealed by slash being single target

Burst In ensures it

[lament plaza]

If Cynthia gets paired with another DPS who thrives under Sandstorm, I might have Cynthia switch to the Slash build for Great Value damage

[lament plaza]

So what's the point of Lisia? She's just supposed to be a 4-move hit wonder and/or sync nuker?

[vivid yoke]

Sometimes thats all u need

[lament plaza]

I kinda wanna pull for NY Lisia only cause she works super well with SS Wally where he doesn't need to fight the mega spot with ordinary Diantha

[unique wedge]

if this isn't related to sync grids please use #poma-lounge #poma-questions or #916852389347196958

[stark berry]

I think she works best (at 5/5) with Gigalith

[copper verge]

That's the point I guess, she needs more help than them

[placid heart]

Typically cynthia is just paired with Courtney and ingo and Courtney doesn’t abuse sand as much as she does Sun (she barely uses Sun too)

[bronze dragon]

Now she isn't as tied to ingo

Courtney can tank so you could slot a self sufficient damage dealer

[placid heart]

Wouldn’t she need to sync for sand for the sand blaster first?

[timid marten]

Raihan works similarly well with Cynthia as he can tank better under sand as long as Cynthia is syncing

[bronze dragon]

Yes but she's been wanting to sync first since she got her power boost

[placid heart]

I see

I wasn’t aware of that lel

[timid marten]

Cynthia is by far so far probably the most worthy 5/5 unit

[stuck compass]

My Cyn is at 4/5. How impt is her 5/5

[timid marten]

Key node you miss is Sand Alert 5

Other node is the defense lowering after sync

[gentle sun]

I’m gonna be honest, as someone who’ll have access to Cynthia’s 4/5 and 5/5 tiles immediately (long story short, I went to 400 scout points on Cynthia’s debut banner specifically to get Elesa), I don’t think they’re all that worthwhile. The energy cost is ridiculous

And she’s plenty great at 3/5

[lone sun]

Yep, sand alert is pretty superfluous
It makes weather setting and move rotation more forgiving and that’s about it, Ingo has sandstorm mpr anyway
And you give up surging sand 3

[bronze dragon]

Block quote command is cracked

"that’s about it, Ingo has sandstorm mpr anyway"

She's not tied to Ingo. MPR2 is not consistent and would still have Ingo's issue of being busy.

"And you give up surging sand 3"

...And you get SS2

[bronze dragon]

Grid expansions are cherry on top, not necessary nodes. They're still designed to be good at 3/5. All 4/5 and 5/5 nodes are expensive

[placid heart]

They should give us more energy with more move level because wally needs it

[lone sun]

She absolutely is lol
Like if you don’t have Ingo, why do you have 5/5 Cynthia?

[bronze dragon]

5/5 is exactly what makes her not tied to Ingo

She can set permanent sand herself

You'd just need to fill up her stat buffs

[primal wasp]

What should Toxic Stall teams look like? Janine+Tank with Potions+(Third)?

I am trying to figure out Janine’s Grid for Toxic Stall

[sweet parcel]

A badly poison unit + Janine + tank

Lucy - Janine - Swimsuit Misty is an example

[primal wasp]

Oh so we don’t have Janine focus on Badly Poisoning then or using Cross Poison while playing Stall?

Just want to know about her role so I can Grid her properly for Stall

[bronze dragon]

If the stage doesn't have poison mitigation (usually poison weak stages don't have), normal poison is enough

Otherwise normal will be very slow for the centre

But poison stall doesn't require minmaxing allies so no real reason to not slot in a badly poison unit

[gentle sun]

Janine is on a Poison Stall team for Venom Drench 1st and foremost

[old niche]

Is Wally now a better Sync nuker?

I think he just needs someone to setup cakewalk for him

[cloud crane]

A slightly better one from what he was which was really quite bad. So I guess he's a bad nuker still

He's still gotta do with the mega sync which is slightly compensated now

[jaunty geyser]

Do we haz list of every Sync Pair with horizontal grid expansion? (Not the vertical whale grid)

[west fern]

SS Blue, Cynthia, Karen, Glacia, Kris, Fantina, Wally

Event limited: Silver, Cyrus, Ghetsis

[jaunty geyser]

Pog. Arigatou

[west fern]

[runic shell]

that new surging sand 2 tile is throwing me off lol, is this probably the new best 3/5 for offtyping

ontype obv the superduper tile is better

you can prob swap sand shelter for the superduper tile on-type bc they're both 3 energy

[placid heart]

I don’t see sand alert

[runic shell]

3/5

dont really think she needs candies

[cloud crane]

would burst-in be a good option?

guess energy constraints are a bit much

[stuck compass]

I came to this conclusion too!

[bronze dragon]

It's a fine option, ensures sided dying + doesn't force you to bring crit buffer early on

You can combine it with dust kicker so you use 1 TM post mega and get +3 crit alone

But that's just an alternative

[stark berry]

For champion stadium is basically guaranteed crit on sync, if you have her 6ex is pretty good

That's the sole reason that could convince me to get her to 3/5

But without Ingo i feel she kinda needs 5/5

Ok maybe acerola could be enough for 3/5 Cynthia in Champion stadium

[uncut vessel]

I am positive that someone at DeNA simps for Cynthia.

Prove me wrong.

Also, if I knew she was getting a 5/5 Grid expansion, I would've saved my Striker Candy.

[old niche]

I think it's best to sync nuke with Wally cos he'll really have to mega evolve to make lot of use for him

Cynthia doesn't really need the 5/5 cos we're supposed to be nuking at first sync

And Dust kicker+sand alert is better on a tech/support

[stark berry]

Sand alert 5 is great since you can bring Gigalith as support and have sand still running for the sync

However Gigalith is basically same availability as Excadrill, so it depends on what people have

[cloud crane]

Omg. Is stdk actually stepping away from PoMa?

[sly fulcrum]

Yeah I guess

[cloud crane]

What a sad end to the year

Hope they're fine and well though

[kindred stag]

https://twitter.com/pomatools/status/1608201045657911296

PoMaTools (@pomatools)

...sorry, I fell asleep after posting this... but I meant to say until next year! So, see you on 2023 and Felíz Día de los Inocentes 🥳! (Hispanic version of April's Fools)

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[placid heart]

Would this be a good shauna grid?

[cloud crane]

Personally, would try building him around his blocking and that rejuvenate when EXed since those are his niches. But this seems like a decent general grid

[placid heart]

I don’t care about spiky shield cause it sucks

[stuck idol]

how to add multiple sync grids in particular pairs, not able to see any options

[sinful smelt]

There is a green button with a 1, click that and you can switch between grids

[stuck idol]

but not able to add syncs means setup will u help me through some ss guide

[gentle sun]

Not sure what you mean by that at all, really.

When you go to the Sync Grid, there’s a green 1 icon in the top right. Tap that and you’ll be able to change to various presets

To set up a new preset you just tap “Use Grid” on an empty preset and then fill out tiles on the now-empty grid

[jolly thicket]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/15800/28200?s=5&l=130&r=6&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFDxEUGi4vMDE0

Would this be the correct build for 5/5 sync nuke Diantha?

[stuck idol]

How do I use this bot then?

Seems difficult to use...

[gentle sun]

The document with example grids is in the pins

For the bot you’d need to go to #bot-zone

[stuck idol]

Oh, oki oki, sorryy

[gentle sun]

It’s fine

[stuck idol]

I still need to get used to this server

So mb if I do something wrong!

[gentle sun]

No worries, everyone’s gotta learn

[stuck idol]

Is it this one?

[gentle sun]

Yep! Specifically the google doc link. The pomatools link is a nifty community tool that lets you put together plans for grids without having to log into the game

Though you’d still need to actually give your Sync Pairs their grids in-game

[stuck idol]

Oh, then it's kinda difficult...

Since my Pc is being repaired at the moment

[gentle sun]

Can try using the bot in #bot-zone then. From what I understand there’s a command for seeing a give pair’s example grids.

Or you could try messing around with pomatools and find something you like, then compare it to the example grids later

[stuck idol]

Is it okay if I ask u to go there with me and teach me how to use it?

[gentle sun]

There’s not really a way to do that. It’s pretty user friendly though, the least intuitive thing is probably needing to tap the rainbow star tile icons to change the move level you’re working with

[unique wedge]

@stuck idol come to #bot-zone it's really easy dw

[stuck idol]

Omw!

[gentle sun]

Oh, you meant the bot, didn’t you. My bad

Though tbh I don’t use the bot, so I wouldn’t have been much help anyways

[unique wedge]

[keen mantle]

So it seems like 2 of the build links for Allister and Gengar link to the same build in the Sync Grid Builds google doc. It's these 2 under Sludge Bomb / Sync Nuke 2/5

• G-Max Terror / Superduper Effective (3/5)
• Max Ooze / Superduper Effective (3/5)

[unique wedge]

wait seriously? shit that's probably my fault, i'll go check it out thanks

[copper verge]

Just checked

[unique wedge]

yeah i got the error

i'm fixing it atm sorry

went through the history

[copper verge]

First one as Shadow Ball Hostage, second has Sludge Bomb Toxic Power

oh there was an error ?

[unique wedge]

the Sludge Bomb / Sync Nuke 2/5 link is the same as the one below (the 3/5)

i was meticulous but probably copy pasted it twice

i got the right one tho now

https://pokemon-masters-stuff.github.io/?e=22&grid=AAECAwQFERMUFRYXHB4=&o=486&id=10251000000&s=2#/

i'll transfer it to pomatools

[copper verge]

Ah ok, np it happens to me so often as well, thanks Dreamy

wait no

look at the grids currently in

they're different

[unique wedge]

wait what

oh mb

Gmax Terror and the one below are the same yes

i'm really slow today

[copper verge]

oh the one below

I was looking at sludge bomb fsr

fuck Allister and his different options

xD

[unique wedge]

indeed

Max Ooze is the culprit

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/25100/9400?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFBggLDhMUFRYXGS4

the correct grid

[copper verge]

yup 👍

[unique wedge]

fixed!

[copper verge]

thx!

While you there I noticed when updating Wally yesterday, there was some old non-pomatools left ?

[unique wedge]

wait what

[copper verge]

No blaming but just happened to be on him so was curious if some other units might have missed

[unique wedge]

omg Caitlin

i'll fix that right now mb

[keen mantle]

thanks

[copper verge]

oh yeah Caitlin there haha

[placid heart]

I just realized calems tier list placement increased again amazing

[copper verge]

no worries my friend it was a very tedious update to do really

[keen mantle]

Maybe one day we'll get grid sharing in game

[unique wedge]

Caitlin fixed, hopefully no more errors or missing, i took it relatively slow not to mess up ahah

i talked too fast, i found another wtf Grant? angery

[placid heart]

It kinda exists with the replays

[unique wedge]

you can copy grids from those yeah

[keen mantle]

Oh I haven't checked out replays yet that's neat. Is it just auto copy or does it just tell you what they had in their grid and you have to do it manually

[unique wedge]

auto copies i believe?

i haven't tested but the button said "copy"

[placid heart]

It asks first if you want to copy

But I think it overwrites the current grid you have

So you’d better have a new one open

[copper verge]

Haha no worries, thanks again mate

[unique wedge]

also side note the Caitlin 2/5 had 16 remaining energy on doc but the grid shows 13 so i changed it https://i.imgur.com/GBTnO7C.png

[copper verge]

I think I know what happened

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/9500/57900?s=2&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFERIVGBkeJyg

the grid would shortcut through NR

so it was maybe just a wrong link at first idk

[unique wedge]

ooooh

reverted

[copper verge]

Yeah np; honestly can't count how many times I've done grid and then when I go to copy-paste the doc ends with the wrong thing

[unique wedge]

haha

[copper verge]

it was happening a lot with the old builder, not much now with pomatools

[primal wasp]

Does Lisia want Psychic terrain?

Also is it better to invest in Sync Nuke+Quick Attack?

Seems difficult to invest in Defence Crush

[copper verge]

she doesn't want psy T no

and not really need specific investment

just spam GI and watch them die

[primal wasp]

Did this

Oh Spam GI and die, the good old clasisc

[copper verge]

Take Ramming Speed, not Sync Freebie

check pins ^^

as straightforward as it gets, just go brr
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/21501/7802?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBgkKCwwPEB4gKy0u

[primal wasp]

Yeah I was mostly just curious about if she was Nuke or DPS better

[copper verge]

she can do both

Nuke gonna be outscaled by your usual Tech ofc though

[snow fox]

Yeah you're dealing with a giga Impact unit, that dps is gonna be a lot more important that the nuke

[cloud crane]

the real question is.... missing those giga impacts

[placid heart]

She gets 10 accuracy on her way to ramming spd so no accuracy issues

[cloud crane]

yeah. need them. no sync freebie for her

[gleaming tangle]

anyone have a grid for dragon cyrus w/o powerboost/expansion?

[sinful smelt]

Get critastophe in top right, critical focus on bottom left, and the sync tiles

[gleaming tangle]

thanks!

[stark berry]

Hope Gloria will get pinpoint entry as a 2/5 pokefair tile

Really hate that at 3/5 she can't still fix play rough accuracy

And maybe critical focus as the second 2/5 tile

[copper verge]

There are recommendations in the pinned document: https://gyazo.com/0326e0fc5b4f28577a76506467d21476

ah for Dragon, yeah just focus on the top right quadrant then ^^

[vivid yoke]

What's a better 3/5 sync grid in your opinion, ss brendan or holiday jasmine?

To me, jasmine seems better, but am i missing/underestimating the 3/5 skills on brendan?

[bronze dragon]

SS Brendan is noticeably better

[vivid yoke]

Well, not as a unit, specifically the grid nodes at 3/5

I see the phys up and sp move up next nodes on holiday jasmine and that seems to me more useful than stuff like impervious and adreneline?

[placid heart]

I think jasmine is really good at 1/5 and ssbrendan kinda wants 3/5

[bronze dragon]

Well SS Brendan has the smun in base kit

Mighty Friend and Clever Friend are good

But SS Brendan has freebies, impervious, head start 1, defense buffs and full crit

Every single node he unlocks at 3/5 is very good

[vivid yoke]

Isnt head start only good with another sync accel?

[bronze dragon]

Of course

[vivid yoke]

I will grant crit entry, i missed that part

[placid heart]

I run doibke head start and usually use him with another head start Utility unit

(Mainly bianca when I’m using Calem)

Or SSLeon if I use him

[bronze dragon]

There's a mountain of units who can get -1 countdown

[vivid yoke]

I have jasmine at 2/5 rn because i was planning to make her 3/5 but i decided to run at 2/5 for a while and see if i wanted to go for the second candy

I might eventually just do both

Theres no other supports i currently have that i wanna candy, it just depends on the future

[primal wasp]

SS Brendan definitely wants 3/5 more than Holiday Jasmine

In fact, Holiday Jasmine is probably fine at 2/5, although she will maybe get some more utility in Gauntlet from 3/5 as well as generally not being completely passive as Tank (Aka buffing Offensive Stats)

[cunning fox]

I only have one golden candy (out of tech candies). Is it worth bringing Wally and Gardevior to 2/5 or should I only bother if I can get him to 3/5 (in other words, invest in another unit instead)

[cloud crane]

SS Wally is quite good at 1/5 itself

[spring belfry]

any grids for dawn lol

[old niche]

Should I.

[sweet parcel]

do you really like him?

and do you have other options?

well i asked you before but i think it's better to ask again

[placid heart]

Candying him to 5/5 is a bit commitment

[old niche]

My other option is Raihan

[sly fulcrum]

Pinned doc

[old niche]

Which I think I need more steel pairs

[tired topaz]

About this one, what is the different between the super preparation one and the regular one?

The super preparation one gives more damage?

[placid heart]

Super Prep is for on type

[tired topaz]

Ah ok, same as the first one, but just for fairy weak?

[placid heart]

Ye

[tired topaz]

Got it!

[digital shale]

This good?

[ancient arch]

If you candied her right now, you're not taking any 5/5 grid nodes

Btw what you want, Earthquake or Slash build?

[digital shale]

Well she's 5/5 from long ago

Not too sure

[ancient arch]

Then nice

[digital shale]

Whichever better

Her grid in the doc is really confusing

Not too sure whether should I take slash crit 9 at all at this point

Or just go with the conventional nuke/EQ build

[digital shale]

So this slash build?

Her nuke should kill the sides right

[ancient arch]

No, it's not
Was, the nice was abt the 5/5 before her grid

[digital shale]

Oh

Well I'll test it out myself ig
There's no reference video now for her slash kit

To see if she kills mid faster or not

Because 60bp is really disappointing

[old niche]

I don't regret picking up 3/5 Lisia

She's bae and super good nuke

[ancient arch]

Problem is, Slash CS3 is in a bad spot

Self sandstorm build is controversial bcs you need to sync twice to abuse sand blaster
I think a sand support/tech to set sand is always better

[digital shale]

It's CS9 tho

[ancient arch]

Yeah but look at CS3

[digital shale]

Also just have a sandstorm unit, having dust kicker is just convenience because you'll run out of sandstorm MP eventually

Lemme do some more test

[ancient arch]

CS9+CS3 can justify slash damage
CS9 alone no

This should be balanced for a Ground stage CSMM

You got nuke and solid dps

Sand Alert5 will keep the sand you'll set with support/tech

[digital shale]

Ok in Slash: CS9, EQ does ~400 less when there's 3 enemies but will do a lot more damage when it's a single unit
Yeah I think it should suffice that I shouldn't get Slash build

[digital shale]

Yeah likely what I'll go with

Pain

A lot of good stuff but not enough energy

Exactly what I'm concerned with for 5/5 grid expansions

[ancient arch]

?

The grid i sent was calculated

[digital shale]

Yeah ik

Just saying that her potential is capped by energy insufficiency

[bronze dragon]

For slash you have to pick full pack or nothing

[ancient arch]

That's the 5/5 drawback, i bet they'll fox that

[bronze dragon]

Otherwise just use earthquake

[digital shale]

Yeah

[digital shale]

I doubt so honestly
Sadly this is the furthest we can go

[ancient arch]

Yeah, it will involve the +8 bp nodes
Base power 84 is nice

[digital shale]

Yeah honestly

Imagine if 5/5 gets 70 energy instead of 60

That would change a lot

[ancient arch]

I velieve it will

[digital shale]

Idk man the entire 5/5 grid expansions already got so many drama

But logically speaking they should

[ancient arch]

Some 5/5 make no sense, look at diantha

[digital shale]

Yeah

Diantha 1/5 kit is already amazing lol

Like she would have been Cynthia core member if it's a ground zone

Too bad

It's rock and no one uses rock

[bronze dragon]

Imo they will add more energy eventually for 4/5 or 5/5

Every expanded grid unit has the same issue: yeah nodes are good but it's not worth it because the 5/5 builds aren't often better than the 3/5

[digital shale]

yeah nah
i decided to use this instead or else her 5/5 grid expansion makes no sense

[ancient arch]

Don't need dusk kicker at all if you use a sand supp/tech
You can trade it for extra sync+25 node

Or ramming speed

Dusk kicker is far more useful for LG

You want sandstorm before sync in CSmm

Also if the stage is Ground weak, not getting a 3 energy SE5 node is a crime

[bronze dragon]

I don't think people make their Cynthia 5/5 to beat ground weak

And if you make her 5/5 it's probably for that dust kicker + sand alert 5 bundle

If anything I'd suggest Burst In to ensure that crit sync

[vivid yoke]

I got her randomly to 5/5

Doing dailies

I think sand alert is enough of a w

Without dust kicker

Weathers and zones always last too short

[ancient arch]

Yeah but neither LG players would go that far I think
Sand Alert cost 10 energy and you have to give up DPS and one Candy

I made mine 4/5 just for dusk kicker and this grid looks fine

And can drop SurgingSand2 for SandScreen if need extra bulkyness

[bronze dragon]

For LG as long as you pick Dust Kicker and Haymaker I think the rest doesn't matter much

SS2 is almost free to pick

Ramming Speed route is cheaper than SS3 route + you have sync BP nodes on the way

[ancient arch]

If you have a speed support yes

But the cheapest team involve Cynthia+tlRaihan

[ancient arch]

7 energy

[bronze dragon]

Her TM buffs +2 speed + fast track 2 will top it up in LG

7 energy but it's right at the beginning

I don't imagine any grid where you wouldn't pick SS2

[ancient arch]

Lol why i keep forgotting she got ft2

[ancient arch]

From offensive to defensive
In the defensive one SS2 isn't optimal bcs circumstances

For lg those should work well

[bronze dragon]

I mean "defensive" if that's your taste

I still think I'd rather take a sync BP node + SS2 instead of SS3

[ancient arch]

+25 on sync should be better than 10% on dps?
Pomatools can't do the calc on my phone

Yeah Sand Screen for stages like Moltres, even if not needed bcs TLRaihan giving extra regen

[wraith inlet]

does anyone have a on type silver grid with sp9?

[ancient arch]

You mean Solar Flare9 buil? The one to oneshoot the stage within first sync?

[wraith inlet]

yupp

[digital shale]

Why no sand blaster

[bronze dragon]

Sand won't reach sync

[carmine glacier]

In a practical dmg build with sync tiles, is slash better damage or earthquake, single target

[gentle sun]

Pretty sure at 3/5 it's Earthquake, iirc at 4/5 or 5/5 Slash slightly edges it out if you build for it, but idk if Slash tiles fit into a build that also gets Sync tiles

[carmine glacier]

Yeah, im confused about 5/5 actually

[sly fulcrum]

I want to say slash edges out at 4/5 but let the experts come in

[carmine glacier]

Practically Earthquake is doing more for me

I was running this for slash

And this for EQ

[sly fulcrum]

Is this ontype?

[carmine glacier]

Off type

[sly fulcrum]

Because usually just take SDE5 and another slash bp tile

[carmine glacier]

I tried SDE5 with on type

[sly fulcrum]

Yeah eq definitely wins offtype

[carmine glacier]

Eq won on type too. i took sde5 for both

[bronze dragon]

Earthquake is stronger

SDE5 just makes the gap wider in favour of EQ because Slash's multipliers are higher

[sly fulcrum]

So I guess slash is mainly outside of sand then

As a secondary striker

[bronze dragon]

Or if you think your sync won't KO sides (should always KO them)

Having said that, why would you sync with Cynthia in a non-sand team

Slash is mega move

[carmine glacier]

She wants mega for slash. Doubt its worth a sync in a non sand team

[sly fulcrum]

Yeah I can't think of any situation

Maybe in LG I guess

But that still doesn't make sense

[bronze dragon]

Then you'd just set sand yourself + EQ is ST

[carmine glacier]

Dont use slash unless sides are especially bulky in a stage in future

[sly fulcrum]

I mean... not even talking about slash I can't even see a point in using cynthia when my ground is stacked and she is at 1/5

[bronze dragon]

Well that's a different matter

[sly fulcrum]

Yeah

At least she went from a joke to really viable now

Now dena do the same for wally, that last grid expansion didn't do him justice 🏃‍♂️

[bronze dragon]

Cynthia got expansion, Wally got power boost

Wally can't get anything else now unless they start releasing expansion for units other than Pokefairs

[sly fulcrum]

They really need to look through some of the old sync pairs and give them something

[bronze dragon]

That's what power boosts do

It's just that Wally's was not too good

[sly fulcrum]

Needs an expansion too