Sync Grids

[placid heart]

Is this grid good?

[cloud crane]

hmm. not sure myself. guess this is exclusively for offtyping. I personally would go for the Mega Kick accuracy +5 tile as well to make it 100%

this would be my general grid for both on & offtyping i guess. not a 100% sure of this as well

[placid heart]

Ye it’s for off typing

Which is what I’ll prolly only use her for lel

And with +2 accuracy it’s only 95? After some testing I haven’t missed so I’m fine

I’d rather grab another BP mode and Atk one because that’s so much energy wasted

MGR helps her poor gauge too

[cloud crane]

i thought she had decent gauge tbh. with the speed buffs and all

[placid heart]

Maybe it’s cause I use her with may but the gauge isn’t great on the team lel

[cloud crane]

with Hilbert? that's supposed to be good with the speed buffs and racing rain and all that i guess

i think Hilbert's 2 gauge move is what may cause a feeling of lack of speed

probably could sacrifice the first hilbert move in the battle to be a waterfall rather than the TM

[placid heart]

Perhaps

[cloud crane]

so post sync u will have TMs to use rather than trying to slot in a waterfall

[placid heart]

I do run X Spd MPr

[cloud crane]

Also, does crit focus 1 on a EX Striker sync max crit in one go?

[placid heart]

Yes

[cloud crane]

oh nice. then Kris is like super self sufficient now i guess

[placid heart]

Very much so lel

Her nuke after support Ex just murders

[cloud crane]

nice. hopefully even she could first sync KO ontype as well

[placid heart]

Most water stages have inflated JP so unless she has SENext unlikely

[cloud crane]

ah crap. then no EX for her. just go tech nuke

[stark berry]

Not that mega kick won't do insane damage

[cloud crane]

maybe a sync nuke plus one mega kick would do the job. Nessa with just shower power & -1 def kinda does it i think. so this should too

[fading breach]

Grid for ghetsis? Couldn't find it

[cloud crane]

With the new expansion?

The sync grid document in the pins have grids for all sync pairs but hasn't been updated for the last two months

[fading breach]

Yea

[fading breach]

Ah okay

[cloud crane]

The thing is that he has a few variants based on sync nuke, dps, freeze, paralysis etc

[fading breach]

What's the grid for his sync nuke

[stark berry]

Just tested, no

Still +1 crit even with 6ex sync

[cloud crane]

Oh thanks for that

[cloud crane]

I guess something like this is good

Decent dps too

[stark berry]

However she has build up on sync grid so you can still kinda guarantee +3 crit with 2 tm + the guaranteed crit post sync

[cloud crane]

Yeah. True. Was considering that tbh

[stark berry]

I managed to offtype Lucian with 6ex sync and a mega kick, with Hilbert and Tech Gyarados, so i don't think she will have trouble against water weak even with buffed hp

[sly fulcrum]

Hmm maybe I should adjust some of my auto teams to make it even more stable

[primal wasp]

Sync Grid I am using for 3/5 SS Hilbert

I just value Metal Sound so much thanks to Rippling Effect, he boost my damage mod on the Striker while also being able to shift to DPS, boom Double DPS

I don’t think I will even try to build for Fire or Water

I would be interested in if he could Solo Torn

[sly fulcrum]

He can

But at 3/5 iirc

[icy raven]

Mines

[bronze dragon]

There's no reason to pick TM MPR after his power boost

[shadow wadi]

What if he gets flinched

[bronze dragon]

[fair sleet]

So we need +2 accuracy and a +5 mega kick accuracy tile to make it 100% chance to hit?

[bronze dragon]

No

+2 accuracy makes Mega Kick be 100 accuracy

Final Accuracy = Base Accuracy x (6 + Accuracy Buff Balance)/6

So 75 x 8/6 = 100

[cloud crane]

Oh is it? My bad then

[fading breach]

Ty habibi

[glossy birch]

How much does SSMorty improve between 2/5 and 3/5?

[placid heart]

Makes him more useful@for SCDiantha ig

I think SSMorty works the exact same at 2/5-3/5 in my experience it’s useful but I feel no noticeable difference

[glossy birch]

Ah so if I drop one candy on him to take him to 2/5 I won't be missing much

[placid heart]

I think he’s perfect atv1/5

[glossy birch]

Hhm I see I guess my candy will be better invested elsewhere

[sweet belfry]

Don't SSMorty get sun MPR at like 2/5?

It could potentially be useful in some cases ig

[elfin crypt]

Gotta say

I wasn’t expecting Kris to hit this hard lol

[tawny cloud]

Whats a good lucky skill for SS N at 2/5?

[bronze dragon]

CS2 at any move level

[tawny cloud]

gotcha

Just to be sure, CS2 means Critical Strike 2, right?

[bronze dragon]

Yes

[tawny cloud]

Gotcha, thanks!

[tawny cloud]

And what would an optimal sync grid for 2/5 SS N look like?

[sinful smelt]

2/5? Just take all the good tiles

[untold owl]

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[acoustic zealot]

Would like some help with Roxie grid

Just what I picked out

[gentle sun]

Why are you picking up the Sync tiles if you're building for regular move damage

[acoustic zealot]

So take them out for mgr?

[gentle sun]

Probably. Depending on the team you can get rid of Toxic Chance in exchange for stats/Headstrong as well

[acoustic zealot]

Either Roxie and 2 supports or Roxie Lucy support

[gentle sun]

Roxie + Lucy + Support would be better so that you can focus on Roxie's move damage and use Lucy for Sync nuke

[stark berry]

At 1/5 pinpoint entry may be an option, if you don't want to commit a slot to accuracy support

[crystal bay]

Why do some people run Adrenaline 1 on Drake? How does he break quadqueue if he syncs?

[shadow wadi]

Why quadqueue when you can not

[placid heart]

He has quick tempo on his grid

[rare thicket]

which sync grid should I do for SS Steven and SS Red?

[placid heart]

Check the pins

[elfin crypt]

Dammit

Am I dumb

Or can I not get Ramming Speed, Toxic Power, AND Inertia at the same time for Roxie’s grid?

[sweet parcel]

You cant

These tiles are far away to each other

Inertia and Toxic Power 5 are the top priority

[elfin crypt]

Oh I was just gonna get ramming speed and toxic power and just spam attack and sync with somebody else haha

[bronze dragon]

That's a better idea

[stark berry]

I think low end devices have trouble quad queing regardless

I mean i have big trouble triple queing 1st turn without an entry skill

[bronze dragon]

[shell pasture]

How is a ss hilbert 5/5 grid looking like?

[tranquil raven]

Just got SS Hilda to 3/5 what's a good way to build a sync nuke grid?

There's no build on the doc yet

[elfin crypt]

Iirc SSHilda wants Rising Tide

[tranquil raven]

That one looks like a must

How important is scorching sync?

Like is it worth sacrificing a sync +25 for scorching sync?

[sweet belfry]

No unless you have someone who can guarantee the burn

[uncut vessel]

How long does it take to update the doc on Sync Grids?

The new Sync Pairs have just been Datamined and it hasn't even been updated yet.

[sinful smelt]

It’s run by a single volunteer. If you have grids to contribute we can suggest it to them.

[uncut vessel]

You know what?

Yes, I do.

Four, exactly.

One for the Burn Drive.

Douse Drive

Chill Drive

Shock Drive.

And yes, these four are based on the drives that Genesect has access to.

[sinful smelt]

Nice, all 5/5?

I’ll pass it on

[uncut vessel]

And here's the 4/5 Grid I run for N and Zekrom.

Yeah, it's not the best but I'm waiting for the Strike Candy so I can 5/5 him.

This one prioritises Sandstorm.

[shell pasture]

None for pure bug?

[shrewd sparrow]

updated pomatools

[gaunt pewter]

am i reading this right ??? he raises 9 stages of Physical Moves Up Next for All Allied sync pairs after sync ?

[shrewd sparrow]

oh

that's possibly an error

should be 1

let me fix it

[gaunt pewter]

aww

[keen otter]

is the google doc no longer maintained?

[uncut vessel]

I only had the ideas for the Drives.

[shrewd sparrow]

the one for grids recommendations?

maybe the writer haven't had time to spare for updating it

last months of the year tend to be heavy

[cloud rock]

is it better to go for moongeist beam or sync build on anni lillie

[elfin crypt]

Moongeist spam

[cloud rock]

aight, thanks

[primal wasp]

Why is Jasmine so good for Gauntlet??

I would have liked her for Torn but I believe she is coming out after it ends?

[sly fulcrum]

Unbending stalwart

Potions

Just these alone alr make her good for LG

[primal wasp]

true

Currently have these as the Grids for Dark Ontyping

[sly fulcrum]

I mean if u are going that far might as well throw in karen

[primal wasp]

?

[nova mountain]

Doesn anyone have a Victini 1/5 grid?

[unique wedge]

on 1/5 you don't need a grid, you can get anything or nothing at all

[gentle sun]

Just grab everything if it’s 1/5

[unique wedge]

you don't really need to invest orbs at 1/5 either i wouldn't recommend

if you haven't gridded the free legendaries

[nova mountain]

Ok

Thanks

[placid heart]

Are these grids goodb

[unique wedge]

oof that Amphy grid is a no no wtf

what are you doing Richu

[sly fulcrum]

The good old potion slave grid

[unique wedge]

personally for CS i'll be using this :
https://i.imgur.com/Ldz0RPm.png

with variation on Unbending / Stalwart and Clever / Mighty friend depending on my damage dealer and the stage.
She is in dire need of Catalyst, and i want my lucky skill slot for something else than Adrenaline 1.

for LG i'll be using this :
https://i.imgur.com/w1aovvk.png

since i usually do 50+ streaks, i want the most out of my supports to carry pairs that aren't that self sufficient, so Team Shout 4 is a must in that game mode, i'd vary this for Static Cling 9 against Tornadus or Uxie however. Of course in LG you'll also probably go for Unbending / Stalwart or the SEUP Refresh depending on the comp instead of the Team Shout 4, since it's always very volatile.

Her grid is pretty stacked and costly so it's situational of course but yeah potions on LG strictly imo

[sly fulcrum]

Static cling is good for some LG too

[unique wedge]

yeah i put it in my write-up

[placid heart]

Oh I see

Ty

[sly fulcrum]

Unbending and stalwart combination with pot and vigilance as lucky skill never fail me in LG

bp morty has taught me that

[unique wedge]

you either go pot + defenses or pot + offenses yeah

she has 333 stats + potions so i don't think i'll need unbending and stalwart but we'll see

[primal wasp]

She is so bulky

I enjoy

By the way, Master Healer increases by how much? Or is it the same as Troublemaker with (a+1)x?

A being the level of the Passive with X being the percent chance

[shadow wadi]

X*10% iirc

[clever thorn]

Potion Master Healer 1 raises it by 10% (from 40 to 50)
Horn Leech raises it by 10% (from 10 to 20)

The og percent doesn’t seem to matter

[primal wasp]

Huh

So what other passives are there that just raise stuff by amounts?

Because Troublemaker 4 guarantees status with a 30% chance

[primal mason]

Would guaranteed triple be worth to pick up for Calem?

Not entirely sure since it seems like his dark type moveset should be used more

[primal wasp]

It’s fine if you want to build for Water but not for Dark imo

[shadow wadi]

That's the only one, I think. Troublemaker/Aggravations and others work with chances, not amounts.
It's like damage-related passives take 10* X, but chance-related take (X+1) *10. Different types, different mechanics.

[ripe verge]

For grids/ passives / lucky skills like Super Effective or Super Powered : are they only activated if the match is on type ? ( like- if an opponent is Fire weak, will SE only trigger if the your unit is fire type ? )

[gentle sun]

It will trigger so long as the move or Sync move is super effective

So if the pair is Fire type but has a Rock move, the effect will still trigger if they use the Rock move on a target who's weak to Rock

[stuck compass]

Is Serena's water or dark side better? Ik both have their advantages, one has great Aoe debuffing one has fast ST debuffing

Shuriken does so much dmg tho it's hard to justify dark

[primal mason]

I'd say Serena's water type is better cos it has much better passives

And it helps with her sync cos it does more damage the more stats are lowered

Especially considering that water shuriken will always hit 5 times, that maximises her debuffing

[stuck compass]

Yeah it feels really strong

[primal mason]

Yeahh it's extremely strong

[real escarp]

ahhh this part of the grid is so awkward

why is static cling hidden behind tshock he2 (which is redundant and also costs 10 energy for some reason) and/or a useless electric terrain passive

[cloud crane]

for jolteon, Ampharos duos for all LAs i guess. maybe not moltres

[wraith inlet]

Any good grids for Kris?

[karmic spoke]

Any 4/5 SS N and Black Kyurem grid?

[sweet parcel]

3/5?

[wraith inlet]

5/5 (idk if she has 5/5 grids)

[sweet parcel]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/8903/64602?s=4&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBwwOFBUWMjM0

[sweet parcel]

She only has 3/5 grid

[sweet parcel]

Here is the max sync build
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/1800/16000?s=5&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggJDBESFBYXGC4vMDEyMzQ1

Can adjust some tiles to get waterfall aggravation

Or tm fleet feet depends on the team

[wraith inlet]

awesome, thanks!

[karmic spoke]

Neat thanks!

[sly fulcrum]

It's probably made that way so u don't have an easy time getting team shout 4

[sick musk]

@soft lintel https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/19600/71700?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFESgqLS8yMzQ1

this is the grid i'm using for him!

[soft lintel]

THANKYOU SO MUCH TAI I really was at a loss as to optimally grid him at 5/5!

[sick musk]

this has all the good 5/5 nodes (aka Downside Up and Brainpower)

DSU is so good because now it's worth using his trainer move twice

so you get DOUBLE the sync accel

[soft lintel]

HE’S GOING TO DESTROY FLYING WEAK &IT WILL BE BEAUTIFUL finally lysandre will SHINE

[sick musk]

the 3 of us with him at 5/5 are WINNING

[primal wasp]

Oh I get it now

[primal wasp]

Oh wow I am so honoured to be included in this exclusive club!!

[whole wyvern]

anyone have a 3/5 for vicitni?

[gentle sun]

This seems like the way to go for a Water-focused Champ Serena build:

She gets a lot more stuff for her Dark-focused tiles, which makes sense due to the 5 debuffs per Water Shuriken at base being extremely strong

[primal wasp]

Yeah that's probably fine

[stuck compass]

I'm using a similar grid but tbh I will be using TM->water->water->dark->buddy->typeof choice->sync

[primal wasp]

Wish I could hit the Sync Tile there

[bronze dragon]

Drop Soften Up 1 or RMBS2

[keen nova]

What's a good grid for ss Hilda at 3/5?

[unique wedge]

i can't say for 100% these are most optimal, but seeing nobody has replied yet
on-type : https://i.imgur.com/wHCRHPR.png (weak to fire)
off-type : https://i.imgur.com/w325C2R.png (any other type)
this also assumes you have a source for burn since HE3 is not available

if you'd rather not rely on burn : https://i.imgur.com/24L0kf5.png (but the burn strat has slightly more dmg)
and finally, my less preferred confusion strat : https://i.imgur.com/9fmToC2.png (increases v-create dmg a bit but eh)

[keen nova]

Thanks dreamy

[soft lintel]

Is it too early to ask for base Kris grids featuring her latest 5/5 upgrades? I’d love to regrid her for LG

Wait never mind, read up a bit further

[unique wedge]

Kris didn't get 5/5 upgrades, only 3/5

[shadow wadi]

let a man dream, Dreamy

[grave totem]

Can someone pls share off typing grid for Kris & Crocmon?

[slate widget]

Dont take superpowered

[placid heart]

@grave totem I run this for off type personally

[final bloom]

Is champion serenas grid good enough to use candies for?

[sweet parcel]

yes

she wants 3/5 for nuke

[molten cradle]

Is there a good sync nuke grid for champion Serena

[pine flint]

About 2 make 1

[pine flint]

Oh here @molten cradle

[lilac sorrel]

anyone have a nice grid for ssn kyurem? 3/5

[pine flint]

Dark

[molten cradle]

I shall use this disrespectfully

[bright escarp]

Which lucky skill for Serena Greninja?

[sweet parcel]

CS2

[bright escarp]

Does Victini need 3/5?

[bronze dragon]

No

[fair saffron]

Where are the greninja’s on the tier list for meta?

[green cedar]

I expect they’ll be close to the top if not at the top

But who knows

[unique wedge]

that's more of a topic for #916852389347196958

[green cedar]

Tier lists dummy anyway

[unique wedge]

this is a thread for sync grid help

[fair saffron]

True I just go off of the sync grid tier list in the pins, that’s why I asked here

[gentle sun]

Sync grid tier list is more who benefits the most from more grid access

[bronze dragon]

No, it's a straight up tierlist based on units

Just that it's in the same document made by Spark which focuses on grid builds

[regal helm]

can anyone share a c!serena 2/5 grid?

[unique wedge]

Hey

so as far as i can see on her 2/5 grid, she gets nothing really of value, as all tiles are pretty niche
most techs really expand at 3/5 which is also her case

best thing you can do is grab the two sync tiles

there's more than enough energy at 2/5 to just get most of the stuff

[gentle sun]

Ah, my bad then

[uncut vessel]

Why is nobody talking about Serena and Fletchling?

[gentle sun]

Probably because most (if not all) players don’t have her yet

Trust me, once enough time passes you’ll probably see a lot of asks about Lodge Serena’s grid

[bronze dragon]

And might be because there's 2 masterfairs and 2 seasonals too

And 2 pokefair grids and 1 power boost

[gentle sun]

That too

[bronze dragon]

Having said that, that's an awkward grid. Seems purely sabotage but you picked a sync node

[gentle sun]

I just noticed they gave her Supderduper Effective, as if she’ll actually do good regular move damage

[bronze dragon]

This makes a little more sense

[gentle sun]

Probably grab Dominating Sync if you’re not planning to try and KO with the 1st Sync

[bronze dragon]

Then you have to drop both Fast Track 9 and Scorching Touch 4, which are much more valuable imo

[gentle sun]

Probably depends on the team, I guess

Like, if Marley’s on the team dropping both is a bit of a no-brainer

[fair saffron]

Anyone got the Cerena 3/5 grid?

[placid heart]

Smth like this I think

(For water form)

[stuck idol]

Does anyone have a ss Hilda perfect sync grid setup pls share with me i want to build her perfect

pls help me 🥺

blue blastoise and Skyla also

[placid heart]

There’s no perfect/best sync grid for a unit for SSB and skyla check the pins

[elfin crypt]

I have no idea what you mean by perfect

[stuck idol]

so what is for ideal at least

[placid heart]

There’s not an ideal one tho

[stuck idol]

i need good support, blastoise tanky and ss Hilda big damage dealer

[placid heart]

There’s several grid options for a reason you use different grids for different cases

[echo crypt]

have you even tried to make a grid on your own? it's easier to just understand how they work instead of depending on others constantly...

[stuck idol]

so every time I need to change the grid, but sync orbs are getting less

[echo crypt]

huh? you don't need to invest orbs again after resetting a grid to change something

once you invest 7500 on a particular unit, that's it, no need to spend more

[stuck idol]

means it's one time right?

[echo crypt]

when you reset you get all the invested orbs back, however it's not the yellow ones, they remain as blue ones, specific to that particular pair

[stuck idol]

means every unit needs 7500 orbs, how can I earn more and more orns6

[echo crypt]

but you really don't need to reset, there are 4 presets you can make

[stuck idol]

4 changes i can make without reset got it

[bronze dragon]

Someone should pin a meme grid for Hilda and see if people use it without even wondering if it's correct

[cloud crane]

Funny part is it would still work

[lone sun]

[bronze dragon]

Sounds like a bad dupe investment just for critical eye 1

[stuck compass]

What's the best grid for calem assuming i have serena at 3/5?

I'm thinking of taking Group Fort, Queue Cutter and Team Safe Start.

[bronze dragon]

Queue Cutter is bad

Team safe start sounds nice but it's a skill you shouldn't be needing

[primal wasp]

Depends on Water or Dark

[primal wasp]

These are my Dark Builds for the Ninjas

Water has been posted around for Cerena, C Calem probably wants to hit Lower Right Cluster. Depends on whether whatever you want to hit.

[stuck compass]

Why crit squad when Serena alr maxes her crit by herself?

[gentle sun]

Probably so that the 3rd teammate has guaranteed maxed crit

[stuck compass]

Hmm, I guess it's an option

[primal wasp]

Not sure what the third Teammate is as of now, still looking at my options for that

But yeah, can definitely cut that especially in Water Builds I imagine

Archie+Cerena+C Calem is pretty fine

[opal pond]

Any suggestions for a 2/5 Cheren grid? Not sure if he's worth the candy to make 3/5.

[gentle sun]

Cheren’s grid is very meh, can probably just grab options you like

[elfin crypt]

If I ever get CCalem I’m definitely getting Crit squad

I don’t trust 80% chance to Crit

[bronze dragon]

It's a matter of the allies getting some crit or not, I don't think anyone is staying at +2 crit

[elfin crypt]

I’m thinking more of gauntlet where we really need a ton of supports and I’m always in need of Crit+ buffs haha

[stuck compass]

Tbh imma just use cerena with calem n zerena

[gentle sun]

Overkill to the max

Enemy won’t know what hit ‘em

[stuck compass]

Prolly possible to 1st sync it

For any csmm offtype

[gentle sun]

I doubt you’ll KO by your 1st Sync, but it should be a super easy pre-Sync clear

[stuck compass]

If cerenas 10rando+30%spdef debuffs hit -6 spdef

[gentle sun]

That’s a heavy ask on RNG considering you’re getting Rain on Calem’s 3rd turn at the earliest

[stuck compass]

I'm syncing with Zerena

[gentle sun]

I know

The 1st 3 rounds would work out as (assuming Calem has Critical Squad):

1. All 3 use Trainer Move: no hits.

2. SS Serena uses Thousand Waves, Champ Serena uses Water Shuriken, Champ Calem uses Water Shuriken: minimum of 10 hits by this point.

3. Champ Calem uses Buddy Move, Champ Serena uses Water Shuriken, SS Serena uses Core Enforcer

Only 1 of Champ Serena’s Water Shuriken uses before Sync will be under Rain

[stuck compass]

I'll be using Zerenas thousand arrows for turn 1 tbh, coz of gauge limitations

[gentle sun]

Works out to the same 3rd turn

[stuck compass]

Imma skip the buddy moves tbh

[gentle sun]

Then you don’t get the Sp. Def. drops from the grid passive

[stuck compass]

Or use em post sync if there are stragglers

[echo crypt]

you really expect to one shot an off type target with only special defense drops and no dragon zone?

[stuck compass]

Does Serena need it

She has the node on the top left right?

[gentle sun]

Champ Serena’s chance of Sp. Def. debuff per Water Shuriken hit relies on Rain

[stuck compass]

In 10hits, she has a good chance for it, no?

[gentle sun]

That’s why I say Buddy Move is needed

[stuck compass]

Oh

[gentle sun]

7 debuffs to choose from per hit

[echo crypt]

well, that's not one shotting is it?

[gentle sun]

Like I said, I doubt you’re KOing with your 1st Sync, but it should be an easy pre-Sync clear on non-Wise Entry CS stages

[stuck compass]

Ah I checked it again, and you're right, it needs rain 🤢

[stuck idol]

Why isn't the google document being updated anymore?

[shadow wadi]

Person in charge is busy rn. People can try building their own grid for a change now

[stuck idol]

[echo crypt]

it's been funny seeing the mental breakdowns about that doc being outdated tbh

basically, just try some things out on your own, you can always ask for feedback here

[stuck idol]

no

[clever thorn]

Okie dokie

[bronze dragon]

[stuck compass]

Potion Pig is kinda fun

[echo crypt]

not that Hilda

[stuck compass]

It's still a meme Hilda

[amber tusk]

I need a defense and speed debuff elio grid.

[stuck compass]

There shld be one in the pins tbh

This is my personal grid that also buffs team speed

[hidden pine]

anyone got 5/5 grids for Calem and Serena?

[bright escarp]

Which lucky skill for Calem?

[cloud crane]

Vigilance on the safe side

[stark berry]

If a tank doesn't have vigilance, generally is vigilance

Unless a specific skill is required

Like troublemaker for elio

[copper verge]

What's especially ironic is that 2-3 units are added every day since this week, so it's clearly coming. I suppose they only checked the limited ones which I saved for last (it's fun to see people ask grids for units that are already busted at base)

[stark berry]

There are lots of options for the full grids

[copper verge]

But yeah it's coming and plot twist, we even recorded the Tier List podcast for December already. The doc will be up to speed shortly

[stark berry]

Plus grids should also fit the playstyle of the player

[copper verge]

Yeah tbh those 5/5 things annoy me a bit, it's longer for not much interest because already OP 😦

[stark berry]

Personally for nukers i always take soften up 1 if i plan to sync, even if i have to sacrifice something

But other people may just want the maximum damage and roll the 80%

[copper verge]

Yeah exactly

Do you just want to ensure your clean clear or go for a cool screenshot

I can't really know when sharing examples, and I'm obviously not gonna list all the minor variants you could do

[stark berry]

Personally I'm not satisfied if i won by RNG

[copper verge]

so even they take a grid from the doc they should ALWAYS check, read the tiles and consider adjustements

[stark berry]

Except in gauntlet

[copper verge]

but I've said this enough times already

[stark berry]

When going for max streak i don't care much about a bit of rng

But for CS i don't want to rely on it, unless i have to

[bronze dragon]

To me the funniest thing this month has been that SS Hilda is very straightforward to build yet people can't figure it out

Rising Tide + whatever

[stark berry]

But i don't think there's a cs stage so far that i had to rely on RNG

[copper verge]

Oh yeah I'm kinda baffled by this too, like literally this is her grid: https://gyazo.com/6b5898ef36e16a89710cb0b9e9ab0e37

[sly fulcrum]

The more complicated grid is calem I feel

SS hilda is just pick rising tide and spec dps or more nuke

[stark berry]

Calem depends on situation

[sly fulcrum]

Idk why people keep asking what grid for SS hilda

[stark berry]

Maybe they want to use support ex

[copper verge]

Yeah, anyways I don't want to bash on people, but just to re-assess this is just a personal hobby of mine so I do when I get the chance and interest for it, appreciate the recognition they give but some people should really grow some patience

[bronze dragon]

Then why would you scout to 3/5 to begin with

[copper verge]

yeah 1/5 with 0 tiles is already busted af so who cares lul

[sly fulcrum]

More like some people should learn to grid their own sync pair according to what they want to use for

[copper verge]

yeah

[stark berry]

Maybe they want a grid for DPS and one for nuke

[sly fulcrum]

Where's the fun in gridding if all you do is copy and paste

[bronze dragon]

I try to put myself in their skin but I can't imagine the situation where you scout for 3/5, some even 5/5, without knowing what to pick in grid

[sly fulcrum]

Only time where I copy and paste grid is when I have to replicate someone's auto LG team

[stark berry]

Maybe they want to see the suggested grid to evaluate if pulling for dupes

[copper verge]

Well I mean, I've stated multiple they're not meant for copy-pasting (although it's still serviceable), but more to highlights important tiles or build's direction you can take with the units

I can't know when, where, with who and how you're gonna play the unit for you right

[stark berry]

I mean sometimes i use tiles that nobody else cares much about

[copper verge]

ye

especially since the content can vary from baby easy to MM short burst battles to LG more extended battles etc..

[bronze dragon]

That's fine, that's what we're saying, to have your own judgment

[stark berry]

I mean plumeria may require no crit support for presync CS if you grid her with build up and burst in, but i don't think is a suggested build

[bronze dragon]

The thing is it's not hard at all to fit in a crit support, so why would you not when most of them are top

As long as you understand there's situations where those nodes are good, that's fine

[stark berry]

Cause not much units boost speed spa and crit

[bronze dragon]

She boosts speed and spatk by herself

+3 with TM per use

[stark berry]

But you need 6 gauge

[bronze dragon]

Then it's either mpr3 or you just need +2 spatk +2 speed

[stark berry]

What support gives +3 crit and +2 spe and spa?

[bronze dragon]

SS Kris, SS Morty, Ingo, Sabrina etc

[stark berry]

Ingo gives spa?

(don't have ingo)

If you can nuke the stage with sync and eventually finish it with a sludge weave i don't see the point of bringing crit support (that may rely on mpr for max crit)

[bright escarp]

You and me both
I refuse to pull for pairs with 5/5 grids

[bronze dragon]

Well if the stage can be nuked with Plumeria sync you're probably playing Bonanza stage

[bright escarp]

Ngl, Spark has spoilt me
Every time I have a new unit, I must come here for reference

[sweet belfry]

Only once it's a +2 after using sand the first time

[copper verge]

Meh I never pulled for dupes in the first place, I just want the unit. Grids are just pimp-up improvements, could always candy if I really feel the need ^^

[stark berry]

Yes 5/5 grids are definitely give malus points for my pulling plans, but i can still pull them if their base kit is good enough

So far i only pulled SS wally of the unit that released with 5/5 grids, but I'm keeping it at 1/5 so no big deal about the 5/5 stuffs

[bright escarp]

Will Ampharos be top tier utility?

[bright escarp]

For me, it’s SS Hilda
I only realized she has 5/5 stuff after pulling
Kept her at 1/5

[stark berry]

I would have pulled for 1/5 SS Hilda if i didn't got shafted by the greninjas

Had to pity Serena, and got calem pretty late

Didn't even noticed if Hilda is still on

Have no gems left so it's skipping everything time

At least I recovered Dark Zone, but I'm missing lots of zone units

Too much limited units and master fairs

Impossibile to keep up

[copper verge]

Depends what you call "Top Tier". Spoiler: ||we're ranking her within Top 10||

[young sparrow]

sync grid for hop syca and serena

[amber tusk]

I need a grid of leg up Misty with Haze and Mist. The video guide I’m using doesn’t showcase her grid.

[cloud crane]

Take the mist and haze propulsion and MPR tiles I guess

[muted stag]

What’s the ideal grid for Champion Calem?

[gentle sun]

Depends on how you’re using him

He’s a Support that can help both Water and Dark teams, so his grid is pretty versatile

[amber tusk]

It’s fine now.

[stark berry]

Crit squad if you need turn 1 max crit, team endure if the stage spams AOE, physical up or special up on sync depending on the team and if you have him ex, there are lots of good tiles in his grid

[sly fulcrum]

Lmao I was right calem has a higher spot in the tier list than serena

[stuck compass]

oh

why so

and how does one use calem

[gentle sun]

• Trainer Move at start

• Brutal Swing for gauge, Water Shuriken for self-heal

• Use Water Buddy Move for Rain, use Dark Buddy Move for Dark Zone

It’s technically a more complicated kit than that, but that’s the basic gist of it

As for tier list placement, Calem is Support/Utility only while Serena is Hybrid on this list, right?

Because if so that’d be why, it’s technically 2 different tier lists

[stuck compass]

ah okay ty

[sly fulcrum]

Because he is a omni support able to support both ends of offense

He is indeed more complicated to use but that is also what makes him strong

If dena gave him no quarter instead of guaranteed triple he would have a crazy survival powers

[stuck compass]

i wudn consider him a full omni support tho

its +4 atk and +2 spatk

[stuck compass]

yeah i'd take it even if it costed 15energy

[sly fulcrum]

Nah not that, I mean his buddy move giving PMUN or SMUN

Also forgot to mention group fortification is pretty good too

[copper verge]

Tbf SST Red and SS Lyra are far more outstanding than the top supports so it's mostly a visual thing, lists are not meant to be compared to each other. I feel both are on a similar lvl (eg. Uber materials without a doubt)

[sly fulcrum]

Yeah SST red is really... a future proof sync pair

Lyra is a LG destroyer

[copper verge]

Yeah imo Lyra is Uber-1 and STT Red is Uber-2

so the list really just starts at Cyrus/Gloria/Serena really xD

[lament plaza]

Well crud. No decided sync grid build for Calem and Serena?

[copper verge]

Not yet, still some catch up to do on last month first

[sly fulcrum]

Probably just before next datamine

[sly fulcrum]

I would say group fortification 9 and umbral restore kinda core for general use

Rest is up to u

[copper verge]

But very first comment I'd give is they're already OP at 1/5 with 0 tiles used so just please yourself tbh

which holds true for a lot of recent units tbh, at least the limited ones

[lament plaza]

They never cease impressing us with broken units lol

[copper verge]

Yeah I guess power-creep is the nature of a gacha game after all ^^

[sly fulcrum]

Power creep is fine just don't make content power relevant to power creep power level

[echo crypt]

tbf they are hella broken in part due to content scaling at a snail's pace

[lament plaza]

I'm just barely looking at Calem and Serena's sync grid. Guess that Calem works tons better in its Dark-type form while Serena works better in its Water-type

I could honestly slap in Archie for strike, and they'll be so ridiculous lol

[sly fulcrum]

That's way overkill

I would just use calem elsewhere

He can enable a lot of strikers

[echo crypt]

considering his master passive is Pride, yeah, he's better off supporting physical pairs

[lament plaza]

Is everyone's general consensus is to have Serena focus on Water Shuriken and Calem focusing on Brutal Swing?

[stuck compass]

i think it depends on the 3rd unit, if there is someone gauge heavy like zerena, i'd focus on brutal swing for calem

but zerena cerena ccalem is very overkill ❤️

[bronze dragon]

I use water shuriken on both

[opal pond]

I asked this a little earlier, but idk if I got a real answer. Any grids for 2/5 Cheren? I don't really have any good ideas for what to pick atm.

[gentle sun]

Like I said the first time, his grid is very meh, so just pick tiles that you like and if you want feedback about it (stuff like making sure you took the most optimal route to a tile) you can post the grid you made here

[stuck idol]

should I make any changes for now She is just 1/5

[gentle sun]

Nothing really to change unless you wanna get the Confusion base power tiles for the lols

SS Hilda’s grid at 1/5 is basically nonexistent

[stuck idol]

ok nothing to do here right at what level her sync grid gonna make her powerful, my priority is now ss helda and serena grininja different teams

[gentle sun]

She’s powerful at base

3/5 is when she gets her biggest improvement of Rising Tide since that gives her a ton more Sync damage. 4/5 and 5/5 tiles are unnecessary

[stuck idol]

so 3/5 is sufficient for her right

[gentle sun]

1/5 is sufficient unless you really wanna Sync nuke with her

[stuck idol]

yes i want to see a big damage number 😜 how can I am able to earn her candies

[gentle sun]

You’ll get 5-star candy coins over time. 20 coins of a given type can be traded to get 1 of the corresponding candy

In addition to 1 candy for each of the 3 roles (Strike, Tech, and Support), there’s also a universal candy type that’s compatible with all 3

[stuck idol]

so when candy coins available should i go to universal candy

[gentle sun]

SS Hilda would use Strike candies, so you don’t have to use the universal candy on her

[stuck idol]

or i am able to get respected candies for particular sync

[gentle sun]

We get a lot more role-specific coins than universal ones, so you’ll likely get 2 Strike candies well before you even get 1 universal candy

[stuck idol]

cool 😎 i am gonna grind more for candies gems and everything ☺️

[gentle sun]

You can’t really grind for candies/gems, they’re mainly just given out over time

[copper aspen]

I know there’s a lot of them, but does anyone have 3/5 calem grids? the google doc isn’t updated still

[gentle sun]

Try putting together one you like (be it in-game or with pomatools), and if you want feedback on it you can come back to ask here. Worst case scenario the only thing you can waste is time

[bright escarp]

How do I choose the type of buddy move?

[sinful smelt]

Use a water or dark move

[novel blaze]

Where did the candy tier list go

[placid heart]

@PikachuGirl1250#0025 first is on type bottom is off type

[zinc meadow]

Sweet, thanks!

[zinc meadow]

Just use the +candy command in #bot-zone

[stuck idol]

how can I find this There are no options showing??

[sweet parcel]

Use the auto exchange or sth like that when you grid

[stuck idol]

it's on mate but still getting this ?? what can I do ??

[west fern]

You don't have enough to auto exchange

[stuck idol]

how much orbs required i think i have 300 remaining for now

[west fern]

10 = 1 character blue orb

So that's 960 required

[stuck idol]

oh now i got it ☺️

[west fern]

You can remove the Horn Leech power up (on the right side) to get the Master Healer node

[stuck idol]

where is the master healer node ??

[west fern]

That red node you show in your screenshot

[stuck idol]

so both should i Remove

[west fern]

Like this

[stuck idol]

if i remove one there is any difference it will make

[west fern]

For the powerup not really. The Master Healer node is better

[stuck idol]

ok ☺️ i will remove one and use master healer

[west fern]

[unique wedge]

Hey all

just a friendly reminder that Spark added grids for all up to Calem & Serena

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vF42uzF-xpkcfIU2gVEY4Dl7sS_I3ITj8g5X2lo1usA/edit?usp=sharing

or /pair in #bot-zone

[untold owl]

Sygna Suit Hilda & Victini

‎ Type: ‎　‎　Weak:

Level 140 Stats:

HP: 592
ATK: 502 | DEF: 122
SPA: 502 | SPD: 122
SPE: 376

Acquisition:

Poké Fair

Alternates:

Hilda & Emboar
Hilda (Special Costume) & Diancie
Hilda (Summer 2022) & Grapploct

Sync Grid Recommendations:

Sync Nuke (3/5)
‎　+ Hostile Environment (4/5)
‎　+ Sundering Burn (5/5)
‎　+ Propulsion (5/5)
Searing Shot / Utility (5/5)

Lucky Skill: Critical Strike 2, Weathered Warrior 3

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[elfin crypt]

THE KING HAS RETURNED

[tranquil socket]

looks good for skyla?

[placid heart]

Idt you need gust mg9

[gentle sun]

Gust MGR is fine, it means she works really well as a gauge support

[vivid yoke]

Gust being only 1 gauge i find more value going for staggering instead of mgr

[placid heart]

Also team Spd +6 I feel you’re rarely going to struggle with gauge with skyla

[elfin crypt]

Make multiple grids

[regal crane]

Does anyone know if the recommended lucky skills for each sync pair in the Sync Grid Builds doc are listed in any particular order (like best to worst or vice versa)?

[sweet belfry]

There's no best or worst, it's all situational

[regal crane]

I see. I kinda wish lucky skills could be saved to the sync grid presets so you could switch between them the same way you do sync grids, and not have to eat cookies all the time.

Also wish the Weathered Warrior 3 Legendary Gauntlet would rerun lol

[bronze dragon]

Weathered Warrior 3 hasn't been a guaranteed lucky cookie skill

[regal crane]

Oh. Thought it was like the second or third one.

[tranquil socket]

it has been a chance skill just like super powered

[stark berry]

Generally for damage dealers is Cs2, unless they require mandatory weather (SS Erika) in that case Weathered warrior 3, for units that you will never ever use offtype, you can run super powered 3, some units may want stuffs like pinpoint entry or dauntless, for tanks, vigilance is generally the way to go, some units may like headstart or adrenaline

[tranquil socket]

any suggestions?

[stark berry]

Personally i like to build Beedrill for nuke

Super victory and victory lap are great if you can manage to score a Ko just before syncing

[tranquil socket]

not sure how to build him though, but I'd be good building different builds for bugsy

[stark berry]

Victory nodes are hard to handle, but i think they are quite effective

I generally run full nuke build, with all the bp nodes on fell stinger

This is my grid for CS

[tranquil socket]

I assume with that grid you run crit providers

[stark berry]

This will be easier to use

[stark berry]

Normally i run Hilbert

I mean samurot

[tranquil socket]

yeah, I understood that

I swear I just need more sync stones and bottles lol

[slate widget]

Btw how good is crit squad on ss calem

Compared to having other nodes

[placid heart]

It helps him max crit in one turn

[quick temple]

Yeah it can shave off a turn of setup

So it’s not bad

[elfin crypt]

Especially useful for units that can’t max it out haha

[cloud crane]

Especially useful for units that need to start hitting to get that B move

[solar verge]

Helo, any reference about champion serena sync grid?

[sweet parcel]

[solar verge]

🙏

[primal wasp]

I choose to change it up for Chalem (Dark)

[stark berry]

If you use him with SS serena, you can start water shuriken / brutal swing turn 1

[slate widget]

Obviously

Serena has +3 crit by herself so that node specifically with serena is wasted

[echo crypt]

SS Serena and Champion Serena are not the same pair

tho tbh I'm not sure who is getting people confused lol

[bronze dragon]

They also said SS Calem so

Big mess

That's why it was important to not say C Red

[slate widget]

Honestly just stop the simlar alts

[echo crypt]

or just learn to read...

iirc some people still call anniversary units Sygna Suit as well, they just hear a name and it gets stuck there forever...

[stuck compass]

but that's so hard

[stark berry]

Yes but you want to water shuriken turn 1 with Serena to activate the b moves quickly

However turn 1 team max crit is really good, expecially for units that don't have crit buffs, or that want to spend turns doing something else

Masked royale is a prime example of an unit that can fully benefit of calem crit squad

Also has brutal swing to speed up the b move

[gentle sun]

Can’t say I agree there, if you’re that concerned about getting Buddy Move before Sync then just run someone with an AoE move as the 3rd teammate

[bronze dragon]

Yeah it doesn't make sense to want to rush rain/zone if you have skipped your stat buffing TMs

You don't even need a dedicated multi hit unit as 3rd slot, Ch Serena water shuriken and Ch Calem brutal swing are 8 hits, needing 2 more hits in those 2 turns of TM + attack for the frogs

[blazing pawn]

Full support with Defense Crush 2

100% chance to lower enemy speed and attack
50% chance to lower an extra stat
30% chance to lower defense
50% chance to burn
30% chance to flinch

TM with mpr for Reflect.
Tons of move gauge support.

[blazing pawn]

@soft night
This is what I came up with

I don't take tech/striker nukes seriously without EX access 😅

And as a support it seems to bring so much!

[soft night]

Yeah, this is fine.
I'd swap out Scorching Touch 4 for TM: Hit and Heal 9 if you were going up against a Special Damage Unit.

For Champion Stadium, I'd not pickup Unfort. 4.
In shorter fights, the random debuffs won't help much.

Unless you're specifically using it for Power Play units.

Unfort4 & TM: H&H9 are both good in gauntlet.
Scorching Touch can help for enabling multipliers and further dampening physical threats.

[blazing pawn]

Definitely don't need this thing for stadium, haha.

This is purely a LG unit for me!

I was thinking more Debuff units are what I need for longer LG with the buffing fights.

I don't have urshifu/shaymin and I'm going to have to pity bluninja.

H&H versus Burn is definitely fight dependent, but I assume the attack drops and burn chance work well jointly, plus her TM for reflect

[cloud crane]

Probably TM hit and heal is also good for LGs

[stark berry]

But you can't use brutal swing if you need to activate rain, and if you don't pick guaranteed triples, water shuriken can be 2 hits, so you can end up with 7 hits (so your 3rd should use an AOE attack) and in dark weak you need to brutal swing to activate the dark rebuff and zone, and if you tm with Serena and calem, turn 2 you get 6 hits, so you definitely need your 3rd unit to use an AOE at least once and attack twice, then ofc all depends on the team build and on Serena move level too, maybe with 3/5 Serena you will wants to go full offense, while with an 1/5 you may want her mainly for the debuffs

In the end the grid depends also on teammates and playstyles, maybe there are some grids that are only useful for some specific teams

[gentle sun]

Theoretically you’d wanna Water Shuriken turn 2 with Champ Serena regardless of type to get more debuffs for her Sync

So bring an AoE move pair if you’re really concerned about getting Buddy Move before 1st Sync, otherwise don’t worry about it

[stark berry]

Assuming you have 3/5 Serena, like i said it's useful IF you are bringing Serena just as a tech unit (1/5) or if you are planning to sync with let's say a 6ex striker to one shot the stage, it always depends on teamcomp and grid level avaibility, maybe someone has committed to 3/5 calem but not to Serena, is still something we should consider

[bronze dragon]

But what do you mean just as a tech unit? You still need to use water shuriken, which hits hard from base

Even her sync at 1/5 with rebuff is stronger than many 3+/5 units

The only way you can avoid doing big damage is using brutal swing

[stark berry]

How water shuriken turn 2 would give more debuffs

[bronze dragon]

She debuffs 1 stat per hit, water shuriken is 5 hits

[stark berry]

Yes but you still need to tm and quick attack

The only difference is that you tm later to enable calem double team

[bronze dragon]

Why would you TM later

[stark berry]

To enable b double team faster

[bronze dragon]

Like said before, what's the point of rushing rain/zone if you haven't buffed your stats by then

You get rain/zone one turn earlier, cool, but you waste one turn of rain/zone to buff

[stark berry]

Nvm, i was thinking about 6ex support calem sync

For Serena sync turn 1 tm is fine

[bronze dragon]

It doesn't matter who syncs

Following your pattern, you'd still have to waste a turn of rain/zone buffing

[stark berry]

I mean you should hit 10 times before the end of turn 2 or you can't queue b double team/b quick attack before syncing

What would be your pattern for 6ex calem sync?

If your 3rd isn't AOE?

[bronze dragon]

TM, Attack, B move/Attack

[stark berry]

So no calem tm?

[bronze dragon]

That was Calem's pattern

[stark berry]

Ok if you pick pick water shuriken guaranteed triples and you attack with your 3rd turn 1 and you are building for water it should work

[bronze dragon]

The whole idea is that it can depend on your allies, your hits and the field effect you're aiming for, but the point is that it doesn't make sense to play suboptimal to rush the b moves if you're going to waste a turn of them later to buff stats anyways

[stark berry]

I don't want to rush the b move, i want it ready before the sync

[bronze dragon]

That's... Rushing the b move

[stark berry]

But if you don't use it before the sync, your sync will be weaker

[bronze dragon]

You said you were thinking of calem sync, you expect him to hit hard?

[stark berry]

In that case your damage dealer hit after 6ex buff will be weaker

[bronze dragon]

Ok but I'd rather hit weaker than not hit because I need to buff stats

[stark berry]

Depends who is your main damage dealer

And who is the 3rd unit

[gentle sun]

Trainer Move Turn 1, Water Shuriken Turn 2, whatever type you’re using her for Turn 3

[stark berry]

As long as you can reach 10 hits by the end of turn 2

[gentle sun]

Turn 2 was more an order thing than anything

Don’t need to do that unless you’re trying to nuke the opponent on 1st Sync

[stark berry]

But that's the champion stadium way

[gentle sun]

KOing center with or slightly before your 2nd Sync is far more common

[bronze dragon]

The champion stadium way is pre enemy sync, and Ch Serena guarantees 2 syncs before their first with her -1 CD in b move

[gentle sun]

Regardless, if you desperately need Buddy Move before 1st Sync bring an AoE move user, otherwise don’t worry about it

[bronze dragon]

Not many strikers can clear CS anyways in first sync unless you're on type

[young sparrow]

hooh grid?

[keen nova]

Are the grids for Kris upgraded?

[potent quail]

Who would need 3/5 more, ssaCynthia or CCalem?

[cloud crane]

Guess it's personal preference. Ssa Cynthia for me since she gets the crit to be used with some low tier fighting units and some tools for gauntlet as well

CCalem I can see for like non crit buffers like masked royal maybe she the excessive move up nexts I guess

[young sparrow]

can anyone share Cserena grid at 1/5?

[potent quail]

Everything

No point in askin for 1/5 grids when you will most likely be able to grid everything there.

[young sparrow]

i see

i need Hooh grid

[west fern]

You can find it in the 2nd link in the pinned message so

[young sparrow]

what is this grid bruh

[sweet parcel]

The one is the pins is the post boosted one. You can simply dont take the unavailable tiles, or wait for a few days for your Hooh gets boosted

[young sparrow]

when tho

can u explain please

[sweet parcel]

In next reset, you can get your Silver and Hooh boosted, which unlocks the new grid tiles

Notice your Hooh grid is different from the one in the pins?

[young sparrow]

when is the reset?

[young sparrow]

yes i saw

[sweet parcel]

At the top of this server, there is a countdown timer to next reset each day

In this case, its 22 more hours to next reset

[young sparrow]

o i got confused bcz i had his EX b4 todays reset too

[rotund talon]

so this is a summer steven grid i concocted, it differs from the ones in the guide because I'll be using him with 3/5 aggravation holiday nessa, so that explains the flinch multipliers. I also decided to forgo the self-buffing nodes because i'd be running them with a dedicated buffer. thoughts? i'm not sure i can do much better for a nessa/steven comp.

also 3/5 just for double down 3 is a little pedantic, i will probably opt to keep him at 2/5 and save one candy

something like this maybe

or is cold snap + no quarter icicle spear just straight up better?

[sweet parcel]

In CS Icicle Crash is better

[rotund talon]

oh ok

idek if 2/5 is worth it just for flinch hitter 5

though i have a surplus of strike candies anyways

[sweet parcel]

I dont have him so i dont know 3/5 is worth, tho Cold Snap 2 is really tempting

[stark berry]

I would say calem

Calem is a much better support at 3/5, Serena still does most of her job at 1/5 (3/5 Is more for sync nuke or dark DPS)

[rotund talon]

they're asking for Acynthia vs calem

[stark berry]

Ah, nvm, however i still think calem is better at 3/5, Cynthia is mainly for tanking and fighting zone, but crit buffs are nice for her

I feel like Cynthia still does her job at 1/5, most fighting units can max their own crit or still require another support to max the stats regardless, but she can still work for units that only need crit buffs

Or we are talking about Komoo?

[sweet parcel]

SSA Cynthia is the one with Lucario

[potent quail]

This helps a lot. Was having trouble finding the candy explanations and +candy had felt a bit hard to gauge which unit is more worth candying if both want 3/5.

[rotund talon]

yeah the new candy tier list thingy isn’t as clear cut as before, at this point i mostly candy based on what looks the most fun

[primal wasp]

Been trying to get a more accurate Grid for MMawile

I would like to be able to be DPS and Zone Support

Not sure if this is the best pathing to accomplish that though

[bronze dragon]

Minmaxing but investing into Iron Head is better than investing into her Attack stat

[primal wasp]

Fair

I will change that then

[bronze dragon]

For the rest yeah that's fine

[primal wasp]

Okay cool

[blazing cedar]

Any1 know best Sync grid for aerodactyl Blue and zygarde,Leafeon Erika all 3/5 ?

[echo crypt]

friendly reminder "best" is really not a thing, grids can fit different situations, we can have 4 presets for a reason

[blazing cedar]

ty

[old niche]

Is 4/5 to 5/5 SS Leaf worth? I got one candy

[shrewd sparrow]

if you like her... sure? I'd save the candies, specially the tech ones... most broken units come as techs nowadays

[bronze dragon]

I'd say it's not worth it at all

Her nodes are ok but her grids become too expensive

[old niche]

How about alder from 1/5 to 3/5? I got 2 strike candies

My only bug nukes now are Guzma, Burgh, Ingo

[sweet parcel]

Ingo + 1/5 Alder are enough for bug weak content

plus, 3/5 Alder isnt worth unless he is your fav

[shadow wadi]

Alder isn't that big of a nuker, focus on spamming hyper beam in zone

He's enough even without Ingo, so you'll be fine

[old niche]

So he doesn't need his damage mods?

[sweet parcel]

yeah

[stark berry]

3/5 alder doesn't need accuracy support

[sweet parcel]

SC Ingo can buff acc

and SS Elesa too

[stark berry]

Then fine (i don't have sc Ingo)

If Ingo fixes accuracy 1/5 alder is enough

[sweet parcel]

accuracy isnt really a problem for him

tho missing 1 hyper beam is a bit salty

[stark berry]

For me anyone that has less than 100 accuracy has accuracy problems

[sweet parcel]

in Alder's case, you can easily slot in an accuracy support, even if you dont have SC Ingo

[stark berry]

Yes shouldn't be a big deal to fix alder accuracy

Personally i like to slot him with 6ex Hilbert and Nolan (so the 3/5 grid matters)

But if i had SC Ingo then 1/5 would have been perfectly fine

Otherwise Togepi is an option

I think the only other 6exable accuracy support is Lillie

(maybe fall Caitlin, not sure cause i don't have her)

[sweet parcel]

SS Elesa

[stark berry]

Ah Yes, and Sabrina too

I had 2/5 alder so i ended up getting him to 3/5 since the 2/5 grid wasn't great

From 1/5 i wouldn't have invested 2 candies

[sweet parcel]

yeah my Alder is still 1/5 didnt even plan to candy him when i first got him and now i have 3/5 SS Hilbert

[torpid sluice]

Is this grid good? What changes are needed?

[sinful smelt]

As always depends on the team. That seems good if you have other sun and speed support.

[torpid sluice]

Hmm, ok bro

Thanks 🙂

[primal wasp]

Would be nice to see Alder get some grid expansions, something to make him a good Nuke or DPS

His Grid is pretty underwhelming even at 3/5

Only 1:1 Mod for Sync and Non-Sync

[bronze dragon]

#character-concept-crafting is better for speculation or your own design ideas

[placid heart]

CALEM TIER PLACEMENT JUMP LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fianlly 🦑

[summer cargo]

Is this grid good?

For nuking purposes

[cloud crane]

Not great for nuking specifically

Need relentless

Take both relentless and power play

Noxious hit is something you may have to sacrifice

[sweet parcel]

you cant pick Noxious Hit if you picked Relentless and Power Play

[cloud crane]

I mean lowering defense itself triggers a bit of both

[sweet parcel]

and if you pair her with SS Lyra, she can debuff too

[cloud crane]

Yeah. That would be crazy stuff

She'd be around the top nukes now right?

[sweet parcel]

i think so, havent checked the damage comparison yet

[bronze dragon]

She's now on par with SS Lyra and Mallow

[cloud crane]

Crap. That's it. I guess first sync setup

[bronze dragon]

But picking both relentless and power play limits your grid a lot

First sync set up is very hard with her

You need an ally to give you +6 SpAtk +3 crit, you need 18 debuffs and -6 defense + grassy terrain

[cloud crane]

Yeah. A lot of compromises

[bronze dragon]

Honestly I think what she needed the most was self stat buffs or more countdown abuse, not multipliers

At least she can poison anytime, useful in LG

[cloud crane]

Yeah. Self crit buffs at least would have been nice

[remote patrol]

why is calem ranked better than serena? i dont know much about him and im reaching serena's pity yet

[gentle sun]

That wasn’t the Calem they were referring to. They were referring to story freebie Calem.

But to answer your question, Champ Calem and Champ Serena are ranked in completely different categories, so while Champ Calem is listed higher in his respective category than Champ Serena is in hers, that doesn’t mean he’s better than her. It just means the competition in Champ Serena’s category is fiercer.

You can’t actually say one of them is better than the other (outside of maybe Support EX being more generally useful, but I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in that comparison either) because they do wildly different things

Just like how you wouldn’t try and see who’s better between SS Morty and SS Hilda, because there’s no comparison point to begin with

[remote patrol]

makes sense

ty

[potent quail]

Is it me or does amphoros and sawsbuck really only need 1/5 to be good. The rest of their sync grid feels lackluster to me.

[gentle sun]

I’d need to re-check where MP Refreshes are on their grids, but yeah, fairly complete kits at 1/5

[potent quail]

Sawsbuck mp refresh is at 1/5.

The move gauge boost i mean

[gentle sun]

Funnily enough that’s the one she probably won’t want MP Refresh for

Since her Trainer Move tracks MGB’s MP to determine terrain

[potent quail]

She actually doesn't have a mp refresh on that.

[gentle sun]

Ah, RIP

[potent quail]

She has a sync move mp refresh at 3/5

[gentle sun]

Still, good kit at 1/5

May want 3/5 for LG or something

[potent quail]

Meh.

Not worth 3/5 for that tbh

If she had terrain extender, then it would be worth

[gentle sun]

I know the LG folks will be all over that, but for the average player it’s not that important, yeah

[potent quail]

Honestly might wait for new year seasonals. The only unit that seems worth is whitney. Jasmine just feels..... boring?

[gentle sun]

Up to you

[potent quail]

Like she's good but.... there's nothing interesting about her

[sweet parcel]

Yeah i dont feel her kit interesting, outside of SEUN as a trainer move

Just a defensive support with potion

Really nice for LG

[gentle sun]

Meanwhile, Holiday Whitney being a Grassy Terrain setter is huge since she’ll be more reliably rerun than SS Lyra

[potent quail]

Not just grassy either but psychic and electric

[sweet parcel]

Well psychic and electric have f2p options

[potent quail]

True but the options being there is still interesting

[sweet parcel]

We only have SS Lyra as the only grass terrain setter so far

[bronze dragon]

But you don't want to pick that because it makes you lose control on the terrain you are setting

If you want to use electric terrain, you have to have 0 MP of MGB, but if you pick MPR2 you might need to use MGB more times than you'd want to

[potent quail]

Very true

[elfin crypt]

Does SS Leaf’s sync grid expansion have anything particularly noteworthy at 3/5?

[sweet parcel]

Pinpoint Entry fixes Razor Leaf acc issue

[elfin crypt]

Ooh

[sweet parcel]

Toxic Power 1 is pointless tho

[stark berry]

Probably still an year to rerun

Luckily i have SS lyra, because i can't afford Whitney, calem and Serena drained me

[zinc meadow]

Time for me to go through the whole document and grid anyone I have not done, whether I use them or not.

[onyx sage]

any grids for fletchling?

[sweet parcel]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/13000/66100?s=5&l=140&r=4&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggLDhATFBUXGC4

Im using this build

[celest relic]

I still haven't used my Victory Road voucher for a copy of the Kantrio but I was thinking if getting Leaf and making her 4/5 was worth it...she's been 3/5 for a while and I only EX'd her yesterday (after two years, hype HAHA); i have a spare Tech Candy too, so would Power Play at 5/5 be worth it? I don't really use her other than standard AOE poison + defense drops. What's the general consensus on this sync expansion for her?

[sweet parcel]

with 5/5 grid she has better nuke, more utilities and is able to re apply poison after mega

how about SS Red and SS Blue? are they 3/5?

[elfin crypt]

Uuuuuugh no idea who to 3/5 out of AIris, Keldiantha, and Cerena for my tech candies

Hell SSN is right there as well

[sweet parcel]

SSN wants 4/5 so if you want to invest on him, you have to spend 3 candies on him

[cloud crane]

i think Cerena seems the best bet. so much utility and both physical & special nuke other than the master passive

[elfin crypt]

Oh I wrote it down but it seems to have disappeared, but I was lucky and had 2/5 SSN

And yeah Cerena was my gut feeling too

[cloud crane]

2/5 SSN is nice just for the pinpoint entry I guess

still maybe worth it

[sweet parcel]

Yeah i would go for 3/5 Serena personally

[wraith inlet]

Anyone with an on type grid for silver with SC9?

[cloud crane]

not sure. this may be good.

[wraith inlet]

Ty

[vivid yoke]

If u saved your victory road ticket, id wait for ss blue and ss red's grid expansions first

[shadow wadi]

That's a lot of waiting for a possibility.

Like, you could wait a few years for it

[vivid yoke]

I dont think ss leaf's 4/5 is worth jumping the gun

[elfin crypt]

Looking at Lerena’s grid, I’m thinking get all the sync multipliers?

[cloud crane]

Lerena?

[sweet parcel]

I think its Lodge Serena

[cloud crane]

Ah ok. Getting old. Need to keep up with the lingo I guess

[shadow wadi]

me being confused for a moment about Lenora being in the game
Tbh "LSerena" format makes it easier to understand than swapping the first letter.

[cloud crane]

Would personally not bother much with dominating sync 2 for setup

[bronze dragon]

Tbf people need to keep naming standards

L Serena is not that hard

[cloud crane]

Yeah L Serena seems intuitive enough

[bronze dragon]

Otherwise you'd end up calling SS Serena just... Serena

[placid heart]

Legendary Serena hype

[primal wasp]

I am very ready to utilize 3/5 Cerena, is it essential to have access to Power Play even if she’s being utilized on a Dark Build?

[cloud crane]

can still take power play for the nuke

[primal wasp]

I heard her Dark Nuke was the strongest somehow?

Not sure if that’s true though or how

[placid heart]

Double power play two +50 sync times adds up

[cloud crane]

yeah. should be. especially with the rebuff

and is practically very high because of the defense debuffs as well

no need of maxing anything out

[primal wasp]

So just mechanically, she hits the hardest?

[cloud crane]

water nuke is the strongest as well if I'm not mistaken

[primal wasp]

Like she has the most tools to do the damage

[cloud crane]

yes. she does. and a good grid as well to get a balanced grid

[primal wasp]

I should probably ask DeNA for a really good Physical Dark Attacker, I am stuck with Nessa on my Dark Frogs Team

I really don’t like Summer N with them

[cloud crane]

yeah. they only gave us summer N. the gen pool is all nukers

BP Karen is not bad now i guess

[primal wasp]

Fair

I would like some more respect to Karen personally

[cloud crane]

just don't hit the centre too hard with Karen. leave most of the centre damage to the nuke

regular Karen got a decent grid expansion but still needs a little bit of help

[placid heart]

Furburt is good

[elfin crypt]

Honestly post sync Sidney’s attacks actually deal good damage

[cloud crane]

yeah. plus the confusion procs & even potions to sustain. just that on a team with CSerena & Sidney, both compete for sync I guess

[bronze dragon]

Immediately after talking about naming standards they call her "Cerena"

[shadow wadi]

inb4 someone asks for Ced grid, that's wrong on so many levels

[bronze dragon]

Ted because of Thunderbolt

[sweet parcel]

I havent seen anyone calling SC Sonia "Sconia"

[cloud crane]

these are fun. maybe its worth the confusion they create

[stark berry]

My problem is the special dark

[shadow wadi]

Altris

[stark berry]

I realized that my strongest special dark (that doesn't need to sync) is Sawyer

The only thing I'm more carent, is special rock

Can't even think of my best special rock, Brycen?

[cloud crane]

Clue - Classic Blue?

[cloud crane]

special rock has hyper beam CBlue at least

why do u need special dark with the greninjas?

is it for the wise entry thing?

[stark berry]

Wise entry x2

[cloud crane]

their syncs still get through despite the entry

[stark berry]

I don't think the sync bypass the entry

[cloud crane]

i mean they are so good that the entry doesn't matter

[stark berry]

However the real question is why I need anything special since i have 6ex Deoxys

[cloud crane]

like a single nuke ohko

or even water CSerena

deoxys aoe is better though

[stark berry]

Yes against the entry is much better use water greninjas against dark weak

[cloud crane]

both syncs ohko the centre despite the entry

but yeah. slightly less damage

or maybe not since the SE is negated by the entry

[stark berry]

Not sure if i should 3/5 6ex Serena, she feels alright even at 1/5

[cloud crane]

yeah. was in the same predicament and realized I don't have many special offtypers other than the psychics SS Lusamine & SS Steven.

then realized that CSerena is both a physical & special offtyper at 3/5

[stark berry]

Only thing I don't like of 6ex tech offtypers is that they may have trouble dealing with the sides, without 6ex AOE nuke or 6ex support

While I may end up having a better time, 6ex syncing with calem and using Kyogre origin pulses on top or Serena eater rebuff and random debuffs

Or 6ex Kris Nuke for physical offtype

Generally i use 6ex Dojo Gloria with Lana and a Rain setter, the nuke destroys the center, the max move destroys a side, and wide guard offsets the fact that i can't one shot the last side

[sweet parcel]

If you don't take so many offensive params, you tech should be able to take a couple of hits

[cloud crane]

tbh the offensive paramaters arent that much of an issue with the sides if going with the required 2K points

i feel that if u take -2 sync countdown, the left side doesn't get any power on hit increases

[stark berry]

The fact is that I'm only satisfied if the run is 100% reliable, and sides love to spam rock slide, blizzard and other stuffs that may end up theoretically lose, i know it's not needed, but the game is quite easy, so i like to play with this extra "rule"

This is why I may need to 3/5 aura Cynthia, that team staring contest my help me a lot in some stages that like to spam twister, rock slide presync

[cloud crane]

but wouldn't u be able to deny with a single move post sync under fighting zone?

especially with the hyperoffensive parameters used with ACynthia

[stark berry]

I'm talking about pre sync twisters/rock slide

[cloud crane]

oh lol

that's a bit much to be prepared for I guess

[stark berry]

Like people like to do monotype and other stuffs, i like to play with the no RNG rule

Basically the battle should be 100% winnable even if the opponent gets the best luck and i get the worst luck

So no 80% crit syncs, unless the crit is not needed

[cloud crane]

i mean on type u could probably to do that with denials so that the sync doesn't usually matter

if dps is good enough

[stark berry]

That's why i prefer to use 6ex supports

[cloud crane]

yeah. it is a nice means to get through without RNG on the sync crit

but u probably have EX supports and EX damage dealers

[stark berry]

Generally i tend to 6ex stuffs with soften up, or way to ensure crit on sync

Unless is s free 6ex ofc

[cloud crane]

nice. how many types would u have that for? i think its quite a few

[stark berry]

I mostly have 6ex supprts

[cloud crane]

i mean like Sidney has it, C Serena, Lear, Bea and must be more

[stark berry]

However myv6ex damage dealers can easily offtype

Kris has it too

[cloud crane]

ah Kris

then there's Lillie to give it to anyone who needs it

SS Serena as well

[stark berry]

Also 3/5 SS blue if you can afford to not use damage dealing moves for the 1st 3 turns

[cloud crane]

ah yeah lol. nice

and some the dps itself is good enough like Anni steven, SS N etc.

[stark berry]

Most of the times i feel that support EX is enough

[sinful glacier]

Hello, can i use the water shutiken without changing in to water type? I want to use this passive.

[shadow wadi]

You can't

[sweet parcel]

It changes type before using the move, so basically you cant

[sinful glacier]

So why they said “if the move has the multistrike effect tag, charges the user’s move gauge by one for each hit”?

._.

So they are trolling me xd

[sweet parcel]

The water form doesnt have that passive

[sinful glacier]

Yep i know

Its only on dark form

[sweet parcel]

The wording is weird

Since attacking 3 targets at once heals 3 gauges

[shadow wadi]

The passives aren't made for each pair custom way, existing passives are often added.

So just because it has some part doesn't mean you'll get to use it

Like Extend Range. Currently no pair buffs allies using it.

[sinful glacier]

Ah okay

That makes sense

Thanks

[stark berry]

Because Dojo Gloria, has it too, plus it still accounts for every target of Brutal swing

[gentle sun]

SS Hilda has it as well, that’s how we learned it counted each hit of an AoE towards triggering the passive

[primal wasp]

Sorry but I am going to keep up calling them Chalem and Cerena

It’s the correct way in my mind

[bronze dragon]

[quick temple]

Go off, I guess

[tranquil socket]

what ya guys think?

[sweet parcel]

Is this a dps build?

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/11800/76400?s=5&l=140&r=4&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggLDQ8QIyUnKCst

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/11800/76400?s=5&l=140&r=4&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFCw4REhMUFRcYHCMlLi8

Here are my 2 grid builds for her

The first one is nuke build and the second is dps

[old niche]

Winter Jasmine 1/5 to 3/5 worth it?

[sweet parcel]

either 1/5 or 3/5

do you have other supports wanting candies?

[old niche]

Nope well Classic Red but he's good without it

[sweet parcel]

datamine is coming near so i would wait for it first

In case there is a support you wanting to pull

[old niche]

I have gems saved up so no worry

And I think I have all limited supports til now

[sweet parcel]

so 3/5 Ampharos then

[old niche]

Grid idea for Holiday Jasmine?

[sweet parcel]

check the pins in #1009587872342478908

i dont know if the doc is updated or not

[old niche]

Not yet

[sweet parcel]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/11302/18100?s=3&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBgcJExQXGBkmKCst

Here is my grid for general use

[old niche]

Would you make use of static cling?

[bronze dragon]

Red*

[old niche]

Wait Jasmine doesn't have Sp.Atk/Atk Buffs?

Only Physical/Special NExt?

[sweet parcel]

she can buff team wide atk/spatk by 2 stat ranks with Team Grand / Fierce Entry 1

and Team Shout 4 too

[sonic scroll]

What’s setup for Jasmine holiday 3/5?

[stark berry]

How many gems we can get before jasmine leaves?

[sweet parcel]

i have a grid for general use above

[sweet parcel]

around 18k (13k until 25/12 and around 5k during 2nd anni trio rerun)

[stark berry]

If by the end of the banner we get 18k, i may end up getting her (unless datamine ha something that i want more)

[sweet parcel]

waiting for datamine is the best move rn

[stark berry]

I mean, not that i have the gems to afford her

Nor the candies to get her 3/5

[cloud crane]

ah. same here. Jasmine was the catch while C Calem was the bait

[stuck compass]

is jasmine that good?