Sync Grids

[stuck compass]

My current physical water nuke is ss grimsley, who uses double down and inertia. But after Kris gets her expanded grid, I'd prolly replace the shark for a croc

[placid heart]

Above is off type what I’ll prolly use her mostly and bottom is on type

[stuck compass]

That's cool that's cool 😊

[bronze dragon]

She gets +40 ATK too

She has Barry sync, with Nessa DPS, sure crit sync with TM and with easy set up

All of that off-type, on-type it gets even higher with Super Powered 5

Like idk it's pretty clear

[echo crypt]

Never have I seen someone so adamant in bringing down a favorite character no less

She got a nice glow up, so she is now really good compared to what was before. Also not sure why are you caring that much what others think tbh

[stuck compass]

Tbh I'm really excited for when they allow kris to pair with sskris and sslyra

The damage is overkill, but why not

[bronze dragon]

Yeah that's an 80% boost to her DPS

[stuck compass]

Yeah, we even get rain from it

[bronze dragon]

Her Mega Kick hitting harder than SS Red along Leon and SS Morty

[vivid yoke]

Waiting for my triple skyla team

[placid heart]

Optimal skyla gameplay

[sweet parcel]

Waiting for my double Sonia team

[elfin crypt]

Wait what

But that’s really good damage

[gentle sun]

Kris’ grid expansion makes her good, yeah

[elfin crypt]

Like I get SS Red and Leon is off the top spot by now but they still deal huge damage

[gentle sun]

200 base power move with Super Powered 5 hits hard

[placid heart]

How does she get that much of a boost from SSLyra and SSKris

Is that with SSLyra having the physical move up next thing?

[gentle sun]

Oh, that’s with specific teammates

Got it

[bronze dragon]

No

It's just Johto master passive stacking

Pride gives 50%, flag bearer gives 30%

And that was without Super Powered 5

[placid heart]

Spooky

[stuck compass]

Its the same reason ash is bonkers with sstred and a kanto tank like leaf

[ember patrol]

Hey guys I got 5/5 Hilda and victini what her best grid?

[hexed crane]

Lol I came here to ask this too if anyone had some grid ideas

[ember patrol]

We might be waiting awhile

[sinful smelt]

You're both among the first in the world to get the 5/5 grid. What ideas could you share?

[echo crypt]

I'll just say HE3 is bait

[hexed crane]

Yeaa

[bronze dragon]

You made her 5/5 without having a grid in mind?

[hexed crane]

I got lucky with my pulls wasn't intending on 5/5

this is what I'm going for dps vs sync

[stuck compass]

Wow

This is my planned 3/5 grid (haven't decided if I want victini yet), but a 5/5 could consider sundering burn 9. To fit sundering burn, you probably need to take scorching sync or rising tide out.

[sweet parcel]

nah remove scorching sync

rising tide is op

if you want other 4/5 or 5/5 tiles

[stuck compass]

I think they can afford to have 2-3 grids since 5/5 units have a lot of configurations based on their needs

[sweet parcel]

yeah

[vivid yoke]

Sundering burn is really the only 5/5 node thats worth i think

Unless you really want team accuracy buffs for some reason

[stuck compass]

[uncut vessel]

Now this is a Sync Nuke grid.

Also like how he gets Sync Freebie on his grid like N has for a passive. Like father, like son, I guess.

[bronze dragon]

At list his son in his og outfit dodged the Noble Roar disease

[uncut vessel]

I had to get those to be able to get to the Pecking Order.

[merry onyx]

think this would be a little better

[nimble wind]

Opinions on a respectable SS Hilda 3/5 grid, generally speaking? Can obviously use a bit of tweaking per team comp, but to generally use as a base
Was considering whether I should be trying to fit Scorching Sync 5

Seems just a bit difficult though, I come a bit short dropping a few things I feel I could afford to, maybe if I just had 2 energy more

[quick temple]

Well do you plan on using V Create or Searing shot cause if it’s v create over searing shot then you would need to get someone else to burn or you could just try to keep rolling for the 30% burn

I think it looks good as it is

[merry onyx]

i wouldn't take burn synergy either tbh, unless (like prince said) you have someone to do it for her

because that's just a wasted 10 energy

[gentle sun]

Evelyn is a free Burn option, as is Flannery

[bronze dragon]

Silver, Anni N, Leon

It's on the way to rising tide anyways, so I don't see why you wouldn't pick it

You can change it for one more sync BP node if you want

[merry onyx]

could always just take the sp atk +5 and sp def +5

[umbral juniper]

I'm sorry if this is a silly question but I'm unable to see expanded grid after ex-ing Ghetsis.. do I need to do anything?

[quick temple]

You need the power boost which is coming in part 2

[gentle sun]

He doesn’t get his extra tiles from EX, he’ll get them from his Power Boost later this month

[umbral juniper]

I knew it was a silly question.. lol thank you both for replying

[quick temple]

And uh spoiler alert ||the extra tiles aren’t very great for him||

[shadow wadi]

They're great though

He gets easier gauge management and setup

Two things he had problems with

Already has good damage + finally gets 1.5x sync multiplier from EX

[vivid yoke]

Theyre just QOL stuff for him, they dont actually improve his capabilities

[merry onyx]

^ ppl are really underselling him hard

cyrus and silver got stuff as good as they did cuz… they kinda sucked

ghetsis is really good at base, and doesnt really need more multipliers

at least not to the point silver and cyrus did

[vivid yoke]

Yeah dont get me wrong the qol stuff just offsets his clunkiness

Hes always had solid damage

[nimble wind]

Exactly my thought, especially bc I can still click Searing Shot once while I have the SMUN from TM. Not a big deal to burn unless I'm going for a Scorching Sync 5 grid, but it's not much to take the node on the way to Rising Tide

• There's also Anni N which I'm trying alongside her, which can burn

I'll just stick with the grid, thanks

[modern kayak]

Any lucky Skills worth using on SS Hilda?

[gentle sun]

Critical Strike as always, Weathered Warrior if you intend to always use her with Sun

Tbh it might be a good idea to pin “If they deal a lot of damage, Critical Strike is usually the best or 2nd best Lucky Skill”

[sinful smelt]

"CS2 or Vigilance"

[distant lark]

how does the sync grid change for n

[sinful smelt]

New nodes for 4/5 and 5/5

[short geode]

there's also critical hit next at 2/5

[sonic scroll]

What’s setup for 4/5 for N?

Anyone ?

[jolly thicket]

Sync nuke or DPS?

[stark berry]

I go for highest possible streaks, to farm those sweet 5* power up vouchers

[stark berry]

If you have him 6ex you can easily go for nuke

Otherwise you can still go DPS with 6ex support

[sonic scroll]

I do have him as EX @stark berry @jolly thicket

[stark berry]

Probably something like this for nuke

But you don't need focus rush 3 if you are running it with Hilbert

[jolly thicket]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/8900/64400?s=4&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFHyEiJCgqKywtLi8x

[stark berry]

As a budget comp you can tank with Volkner and use something like support Electabuzz to max n stats

[jolly thicket]

This is maximum nuking

[stark berry]

With Hilbert support i would pick this

Tried 6ex Dennis, don't like it much

His nuke is fine, but kinda hard to setup 1st nuke

I guess he would shine in gauntlet

[jolly thicket]

Is this the correct build for sync nuke Kris?

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/1800/16000?s=5&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=13016303&g=AAECAwQFBgkRExQWGB8hLi8wMjM0NQ

[jolly thicket]

Also, is that my build?

[stark berry]

Depends what team you are running with her

[stark berry]

No it isn't I picked follow through 9

[stark berry]

If you are running something like Hilbert, i think is the best nuke grid

If you are running something like hop, unless you will clear the stage with sync, i would try to fit critical focus

[uncut vessel]

While I wait for Spark to cook something up, any 4/5 N and Zekrom grids?

This is what I'm running for now.

Just something self sustainable.

Okay, this 4/5 Grid is really solid. I don't need to run Crit Support on N anymore.

[sweet parcel]

If you run him with a crit support like Hilbert or Sonia better not pick Focus Rush 3

[tribal abyss]

yeah im curious about 4/5 N too - i currently run him with SS blue

[quick temple]

Who’s your 3rd?

[tribal abyss]

ash atm

[remote patrol]

Any point in sunbathe9 or speeding sun grids for ssmorty? He have already sunbathe9 in passive skills and believe mp refresh could be better than speeding sun grid

[solemn blade]

Trying to decide between CS2 and Vigilance for Bertha (mine is 2/5). Is Bertha that good of a tank?

[sweet parcel]

Yes she is

[vivid yoke]

Shes basically a support unless you sync with her. Unless you really need her ground type sync nuke i think leaning into her tankiness is better

Usually on a sand team you'll be syncing with the likes of cynthia anyway

[stuck compass]

I gave mine vigilance tbh

Since she can buff her own defences

[remote patrol]

the first image is what im using with sshilda and kiawe. Second grid if i have better lucky skill than vigilance (but really worth get vigilance as grid and lose mp refresh or sunbathe9?). third image is an "balanced" build but why upgrade potion if 3/5 can get sunbathe9 stacks? kiawe also have a potion build. The last image is the sync grid from /bot but with sshilda we dont need stats buffs i guess? what do u guys think if had to choose one build?

[merry onyx]

just grid vigilance, it's too far on the grid for it to be worthwhile

besides, unless you like fast ramping and wanna give him hs1 there's really nothing else you could give him

[bronze dragon]

Yeah, if you are facing a stage where you are afraid of crits you can just pick it in grid

[hidden pine]

anyone have a build for 5/5 Victini?

[gentle sun]

Unless you’re grabbing Sundering Burn it’d be pretty much the exact same builds as 3/5. None of the other options are very worthwhile

[hidden pine]

fair, thanks

[real escarp]

huh, ss n is ranked surprisingly low on spark's tier list

[gentle sun]

His kit’s weirdness hurts him enough to not be top-tier, but not enough to be anything less than “good”, IMO

[primal wasp]

Does SS Brendan not need to hit Potions on Grid?

So mostly asking, since I have him on an SS Steven Team and was thinking that Potions aren’t used all that much actually

And it would be nice and easy to use his Support EX with Head Start and the other cool stuff he has on grid

[sly fulcrum]

U disintegrate enemies so fast u don't need them

I run ss steven ss Brendan and anni may, there's just no point in potions with that team

[primal wasp]

Yeah that’s what I am starting to think too

[primal wasp]

I run Bianca because she just feels better + I don’t have Ann May

[sly fulcrum]

In fact u might want to run some form of sync accel for ss Brendan

In lucky skill or grid

[primal wasp]

It should be fine

He has Head Start+Adrenaline

I think those both proc after Sync

[bronze dragon]

Yes but it's worthless if it's not in multiples of 3

Adrenaline is post sync

Head Start is entry

[primal wasp]

Okay

Wait Head Start doesn’t proc under Mega?

[placid heart]

No

It’s text specifies first entry or something

[shadow wadi]

First time the user enters the battle.

[sly fulcrum]

SS wally is a special case

[primal wasp]

F

Okay well whatever

[shadow wadi]

Wally's headstarts also activate once, but since they are different skills, once each

[slate widget]

how important is SSN's 4/5 tile that gives him another 40% boost in dmg

[bronze dragon]

The best node of his grid

[slate widget]

ik but is it worth the investment or no

[bronze dragon]

Well SS N is not worth scouting to begin with

[real escarp]

huh Racer I feel like I disagree with about 80% of your strong opinions that I see

Piercing blows-er with full offensive debuffs, gauge-free attack cycles, piercing gaze, 100% paralysis / 40% freeze if you need it, and some neat defensive passives if you need them, makes him very worthwhile in my books

[echo crypt]

being good for Gauntlet doesn't equal good in general

even eggmons are good in there...

[real escarp]

this is a strange argument

sure, any unit is good to have for gauntlet

I would NOT call most eggmons good for gauntlet lol

most of them are in fact pretty bad, and the fun part is figuring out how to build teams that can use them effectively anyway

[sinful smelt]

It hurts to see eggs discussed in a sync grid channel

[quick temple]

Yeha guys they don’t even have grids

[real escarp]

and yeah obviously whether SS N is worth scouting will depend on what you scout units for, among other things; I was just saying that he's worth scouting given my goals, so Racer's comment shouldn't be applied as a universal fact

[restive cipher]

I can imagine him being clunky to use but that's about it

[cloud crane]

agree with Stib regarding giving more weightage for gauntlet. for an older player, they can cruise through CS without pain at all. Easy clears for gauntlet should be given more importance for them

full disclosure, I hate gauntlet

[echo crypt]

well, that ends up in which content you care for the most

and whatever criteria you usually have for pulls

in the end pull whatever you want is the answer, subjective to an extent

but when people come and ask who's worth pulling they care for "meta", aka, someone they'll find useful/strong everywhere

[cloud crane]

agreed. and it makes sense to make tierlists with CS as the major game mode since it is the most regular one. plus tier lists are mainly intended for newer players

[bronze dragon]

You're mistaking being a good unit with being worthy to scout for

On a month along SS Hilda and SS Hilbert I'm sorry it doesn't matter how you want to paint it a unit that is at most "good" is not worthy scouting for

For things that you mentioned he can do he needs 4+/5

Even if you're a gauntlet fan, Eevee Day banner is much more worthy to scout on then

[real escarp]

I agree that eevee day banner is more worth for me haha

he only needs 4+ for the tanking-while-charging thing

idk victini and genesect are very neat and I'll have to see all of them in action to get a better sense, but from a first glance it doesn't feel like they trivialize quite as many LGs as kyurem does

[distant lark]

Any sync grid for 2/5 ss hilda?

[cloud crane]

honestly doesn't matter much at 2/5 can take the MGR and burn synergy if using with someone who burns & maybe the attack tiles

[ember patrol]

Okay I got 5/5 Ss hilbert what’s his grid? And lucky skill??

[pine flint]

@arctic edge

[arctic edge]

thanks i ll try it like this as sync nuker XD

[stuck compass]

may they get grids someday

[stuck compass]

I kinda have to agree on the eeveelutions tbh. They seem like the best bang for your buck this month

[stuck compass]

The grid depends on who you have supporting it. The lucky skill of choice would generally be CS2.

[crystal tiger]

Has anyone made any grids for an SS Hilbert that's not doing Bug damage? I'd especially like to see a 3/5 grid.

[stuck compass]

Imo the one above by buff shiny rayquaza pretty much covers it. My planned 3/5 is v similar

But it also depends on who you have for supports.

[crystal tiger]

Looks like the standard nuke grid, how is his nuke offtype

I'm assuming it doesn't change type like Techno Blast

[stuck compass]

Yeah it's gona be offtype, boosted by brainpower.

Sadly the only useful non-bug buff for techno blast is brainteaser.

[tranquil socket]

any advice for ghetsis grid build?

[cloud crane]

u can check out the pinned document for all sync grids

has some decent grids

for all sync pairs. maybe barring the recent update

anyways Ghetsis updated grid is not out yet

[fair saffron]

Is ss hilbert super duper effective or CS2

[gentle sun]

Critical Strike for now, and if you plan to use him only against the types he covers then Super Powered from the cookies we get from LG since it's a slightly higher boost

At least IMO

[copper verge]

Don't waste Deluxe cookies on strikers, they all fine with CS2

[primal wasp]

Nah some want Weather Warriors 3

Like Archie

[sly fulcrum]

But what if it's a SP3 cookie where only specific striker can use it

[stuck compass]

They mean go for it when you have enough cookies to gamble. Because cs2 is also available from a more common cookie.

But yeah if you have the specific deluxe cookie and really want it on em, go ahead. I used a copy on Gladion.

[reef marsh]

Any grid for 3/5 SS Hilda ?

[gentle sun]

Depends on what you want

[reef marsh]

off type

[gentle sun]

And...? The only tile that would work only against Fire weak stages is Searing Shot Superduper Effective (EDIT: And Super Sync)

Try using the 1st link in pins and messing around on pomatools until you find something you like

[floral oracle]

I was looking up and I did manage a 5/5 ss Hilda. I'm planning on running her with ss may and ss morty. I think I want her for v create dps. Not sure what kind of build to do. I know propulsion is solid.

[bronze dragon]

Well for v-create DPS it was enough at 1/5

[floral oracle]

Well. I pulled 3 on my 4th multi. So 1/5 was never an option lol

[bronze dragon]

Only thing you get in that plan is empowering command

[floral oracle]

What about for nuking?

[bronze dragon]

This is what I'd use

Throw a searing shot and if you get lucky you can get burn synergy 1, otherwise take the cheap path and pick an extra sync BP node

[floral oracle]

Alright I appreciate it.

[bronze dragon]

Or this if you are sure you won't sync with her

[floral oracle]

It's hard to justify using her sync. I'm using her ss may and ss morty. And I never make it to her sync unless I choose her over may. Which both do absurd damage. In single target stages like LA may is overall better syncing. Whereas in 3v3 stages it's better to use hilda.

[umbral juniper]

Hi, the alder 3/5 sync nuke grid seems incorrect in doc..

[bronze dragon]

I can access the link

What's wrong?

[gentle sun]

I guess it’s because it doesn’t grab the Sync base power tiles?

[umbral juniper]

It says sync nuke but neither of the sync+25 nodes are selected...?

Am I wrong or?

[umbral juniper]

Yes

[bronze dragon]

You can drop accuracy and pick BP nodes if you want, Spark just preferred ensuring accuracy

[gentle sun]

I’m guessing they mathed it out and found that getting Overpower would deal more damage, but I could be wrong

[umbral juniper]

I was just curious, I know nothing about grids so I'll use the one there anyway xD

[slate widget]

but black kyurem is awesome wdym

[slate widget]

i do know he fits perfectly for my 2v3 runs on mm

i wanna check how he actually does and then ill decide

[bronze dragon]

Sure if you like him then it's worth it for you

[slate widget]

he is

[primal wasp]

Still no Grids for SS Hilda and SS Hilbert?

[gentle sun]

I’m guessing SS Hilda will probably be done by tomorrowish (but it’s not a guarantee; iirc the doc is managed by 1 person and so it can take time) and SS Hilbert just dropped today

Usually it takes a day or two after a pair’s official release for the doc to get updated

[slate widget]

ss hilda get rising tide and sync stuf

[vivid yoke]

I feel like rising tide is the biggest value node she has

[slate widget]

it is yeah

[tranquil socket]

hmmm

[sinful smelt]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[gentle sun]

The goal with this being?

[grand crag]

The upgraded N sync grid changes a bit in a 3/5? I have him like this (from preupgrade)

How can I improve it?

[merry onyx]

yup

now he has sure crit on sync which i'd pick up

you have to drop the mgrs though

[grand crag]

mgrs?

How would you build it then?

[merry onyx]

I personally use this

[icy raven]

What website is this?

[quick temple]

The website is pinned here

[grand crag]

Thx

[slate widget]

can u get adrenaline if u drop unbending and get spdef to get those tiles instead?

[merry onyx]

no

you'd have to drop a sync tile

[placid heart]

Oh follow through

[slate widget]

what does it do

[placid heart]

Sure crit

[slate widget]

eh

[icy raven]

Why are you not picking up your MGR on Bolt Strike

[gentle sun]

Unnecessary with proper gauge support

[tranquil socket]

idk honestly, but slr. was trying to make her a potion source somehow lol

probs she's better as a gauge filler and flincher

[sinful smelt]

Skyla is one of the best potion sources

Scrap unbending for the other mpr though

[bronze dragon]

You don't have to choose

You can pick both

Just the second staggering is limiting

[gentle sun]

Skyla can get Trainer Move MP Refresh, Gust Move Gauge Refresh, and all 4 of her Potion tiles at once

[tulip moat]

I can't see the grids for genesect in the doc, are there none posted yet?

[gentle sun]

It usually takes at least 1-2 days after a Sync Pair is officially released before the doc is updated

[stuck compass]

It takes a while but you can mention your move level and what you wanna use em for. And maybe try a grid and ask here after

[gentle sun]

Honestly I’d just mess around on pomatools until you find a grid you like, then ask if any improvements could be made

[spring belfry]

any good bertha grid? i just got her 3/5

[stuck compass]

I have 2 grids for mine that you could use as a template and edit based on your preferences

3/5 Bertha Tank
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/15400/45001?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggKCw0dHyMlKSssLQ
3/5 Bertha Nuke
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/15400/45001?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggKCxUYHyAjJScqLS8

[spring belfry]

ohhh thanks

[vivid yoke]

I think the tank build is better esp if you already have a sand based ground striker

[primal wasp]

Do we have ideas for SS Hilda Grid yet?

Having trouble figuring out if I want her to be built for Burns or just sheer power

[gentle sun]

If you grab Burn Synergy it’s because you have a teammate who’s Burning the opponent. Unless you have her 5/5 and wanna grab Hostile Environment 3, I guess, but that’s wasteful IMO.

Pretty much the “mandatory” tile is Rising Tide because it means she actually has a Sync nuke. Everything else depends on what you want or need

[primal wasp]

Fair

That's sort of good then

Do we know about SS Hilbert?

[stark berry]

Propulsion 9 may be useful from 4/5 depending on comp

[gentle sun]

I guess, but at that point you can probably adjust the team instead

[stark berry]

If you don't have her ex end you just plan to sync with support ex, rising tide isn't much useful (unless gauntlet)

[gentle sun]

While I haven't been able to test myself, I would imagine you usually still get to 2nd Sync before you win

[stark berry]

Maybe with SS less, if you don't give her headstart 1

[stark berry]

With Hilda?

[gentle sun]

With SS Hilda, yes. Also, you can turn off reply pings

[stark berry]

It's possible to disable?

[gentle sun]

Yeah, should be on the right side of the reply bar (the @ON). Tap or click to turn off

[stark berry]

Like this?

[gentle sun]

There ya go

[stark berry]

Never thought about it

[gentle sun]

I normally wouldn't bring it up, but it was literally 4 in rapid succession, so I figured it'd be good to provide the information

Anyway, if I'm wrong and SS Hilda can KO before 2nd Sync then yeah, Rising Tide is more dependent on whether you plan to Sync with her

[stark berry]

Her post 6ex v create should hit about as hard as her rising tide sync

[gentle sun]

Dang, that's a lot more damage than I thought

Cool

[stark berry]

Ss Hilda sync damage comes from her insane atk, that even v create can use

[gentle sun]

Well Rising Tide's 120% bonus is also pretty huge, but yeah, Attack probably has a lot to do with it

[stark berry]

6ex support is a 100% bonus, multiplicative

Rising tide + cs2 is a 140% boost

[gentle sun]

Regardless, still a ton of teammate flexibility

[stark berry]

Post 6ex v create with cs2 is still a 140% boost

If you add confusion synergy 2 and sde 1 it becomes a 200% bonus

[bronze dragon]

Rising tide sync is faster, but she's totally fine at 1/5

Even without EX, rising tide sync can deny a turn, but I don't see why you'd scout her to 3/5 and not make her EX

[bronze dragon]

How did you get to that number?

BS1 + ConfS2 + CS2 is 1,5x

[primal wasp]

I am probably going to EX her since I am short on peeps to EX

[stuck compass]

what does tha even mean 😮
how abundant of PUs are you

[primal wasp]

I just really don’t care about EXing a lot of the pairs I currently have

Like they seem, imo, to be a waste

SS Hilda and SS Hilbert are probably not that

[floral oracle]

Who has a 5/5 grid for ss hilbert & genesect

[primal wasp]

He doesn’t really need 5/5 unless you are aiming for Hilbert’s Aim

[bronze dragon]

Pretty sure that's asking because they already have him at 5/5

[bronze dragon]

Depends on what you want him to do

[primal wasp]

^

[floral oracle]

I'm looking for 2 things. Bug type nuker and then off type (get it) dps

So 2 grids

[icy raven]

What bug you got

[floral oracle]

Well genesect.

Genesect

[primal wasp]

Bug Type Nuker, probably wants to run the Tiles that enables Sync

Ripple Effect is very good for DPS

[icy raven]

Looks like genaect comes with brianpower

[primal wasp]

Cakewalk too

[bronze dragon]

Yeah but Cakewalk is never worth it

You either have to bring a unit to debuff speed specifically or be super effective on a same target 3 times, which will KO them

[bronze dragon]

If you only want offtype DPS, you can prioritize insect power 1 or bug enigma 9

[icy raven]

You prob should skip cakewalk because of the sync needing this

[bronze dragon]

What does that have to do with Cakewalk

[icy raven]

It's another pair you have to get to buff sync unless you can build 2 debuff and 1 buff around it to get all 3 sync nuke multipliers

[bronze dragon]

But he can debuff spdef himself

[icy raven]

O can he. Then neverind then.

[bronze dragon]

Even then I didn't pick cakewalk and I said it's not worth it

[icy raven]

You have yours 5/5. It's another sync multiplier you add might be worth a try but idk if all 3 can be used brain cake and ripple effect 9

[bronze dragon]

No

The only case in which Cakewalk might be considered is if you don't have SC Ingo so you bring a unit who debuffs speed and does something else too

[icy raven]

I would do this if possible

[bronze dragon]

With what team?

[placid heart]

We need a special version of Glojo…

[bronze dragon]

That's 1 unit, who's the other?

Also please don't ping consecutively

[icy raven]

For speed use

[icy raven]

For special attack use any of these

[bronze dragon]

Then you're not using zone

[icy raven]

No unless the zones multipliers are better which I don't have the knowledge of what zone multipliers are.

[bronze dragon]

Don't ping me

Zone is a multiplicative 1,5x boost

[icy raven]

Are you saying 150% or 50% more

[bronze dragon]

Which is better than adding Cakewalk, plus it boosts Techno Blast too

[bronze dragon]

+50%

[icy raven]

Isn't all the 6x buff or debuff sync nuke multipliers have 2X on sync

[bronze dragon]

Yes, additive

[icy raven]

If you have bug zone. The only thing I can say is test it out and see what the damage says.

[bronze dragon]

No need to, you can just calc

Considering you are picking Brainpower and Critical Strike 2 as Lucky Skill already:
Case 1 (Zone): 2,2 x 1,5 = 3,3
Case 2 (Cakewalk): 2,2 + 1 = 3,2

Plus damage in game has high and low rolls

For more info about damage you should check pins in #916852044692856834

[floral oracle]

In question to the 2nd hilberts aim, is that not worth it in a dps build?

[clever thorn]

Not to mention how SC Ingo adds over 30 SpAtk to Hilbert thanks to theme skills

[bronze dragon]

Node is fine, build is not worth it. You have to spend like 30 energy on its path for an overkill on-type node

[stark berry]

And 6ex buff is 2x so 1.5x * 2x = 3x or 200% buff

I was talking about V create post 6ex support vs sync nuke

[bronze dragon]

Ah ok I see

Sure support ex is gonna make DPS stronger but striker nuke of that caliber is more efficient in 3v3

[stuck idol]

Need lana sync grid pls

[stark berry]

But i prefer something slightly lesser efficient, than something that is a bit more efficient 80% of the times

[bronze dragon]

[clever thorn]

Wait, she doesn’t have Soften Up or Sure Crit? Is she even a 2022 top tier strike

[placid heart]

Smh

[jolly thicket]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/19501/64600?s=5&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFFRYZHSAiMDEyMzQ1

Is this correct for Ghetsis DPS?

[merry onyx]

why sync freebie

don't pick it up if you arent nuking with him imo

[bronze dragon]

Don't make Ghetsis do all the set-up

There's no point in DPS if you start attacking in turn 7

[jolly thicket]

Hmmmmm, so what's the correct Ghetsis DPS build?

[bronze dragon]

What's your team?

[jolly thicket]

Don't really have a team actually

[bronze dragon]

You need to think about the team before the grids

[jolly thicket]

Glacia, Ghetsis and Pryce

[sweet parcel]

I would build a nuke grid for that team

You have to spend 3 turns on debuffing spatk, then a turn to paralyze the mid

It takes many turns to setup all dps multipliers

[jolly thicket]

So what should be his build with the team I mentioned?

[stark berry]

She's a top DPS, not fan of the nuke, however 1 turn setup means that you can easily slot regular Lille, to fix the sync

[rotund talon]

if running anni may with brendan (latios) (or any spdef debuffer), it's better to take devastation + overpower AND brainteaser + smarty-pants right?

you would be losing dismay, which slows down how fast the former two take effect but idk, it sounds better

losing psychic wish mpr isn't a big deal for csmm i'd think

[bronze dragon]

I prefer to pick up dismay instead of brainteaser

She's not that good setting up SpAtk drops by herself so I appreciate the -2 on entry more

[stark berry]

I feel that Dennis has viable DPS build, only with classic elesa (unless is legendary arena you can take your time to build for DPS)

[sweet parcel]

it is

but in that team he has to setup all multipliers by himself

not counting turns using TM

it doesnt matter much in LA but in CS it is a huge problem

[stark berry]

At most Dennis can set freeze multiplier for Pryce

But not an huge fan of freeze multipliers

Problem is that pryce glacia and Dennis are pretty slow and non of them has speed buffs

I would suggest to replace Dennis with BP Candice

And build Pryce for hail multipliers

And i think both glacia and Candice have access to Hasty hail, to help with gauge

[jolly thicket]

Auto-correct is typing

[stark berry]

I just call him Dennis, because the song seems to sing, Dennis

[jolly thicket]

Ok

[stark berry]

Even for sync nuke build i would still opt for something like Palentine Serena or classic elesa to help with setup

For CS i find Dennis too hard to effectively use, in gauntlet is pretty good

But classic elesa is the perfect partner for him

[tranquil socket]

is she not good as a flinch source?

anyway, planning to do this once I get aaron to 3/5. is that good?

and yes I don't have zoners

[bronze dragon]

Very specific stage build

For generic use you should aim for catalyst, TM MPR, staggering 4

Top right quadrant is good, although mgr3 on defend order is not worth it

[sinful smelt]

Her flinch isn’t super reliable, just a nice bonus

[cloud crane]

Probably can try teams that setup ghetsis nuke like with lucian or darach 3/5 with a special attack & at least single crit buffing support like eleSSa, Sabrina etc.

[gentle sun]

I personally don't run her flinch, but it can be handy sometimes

[gentle sun]

Just a heads up that there's no energy cost for the initial 6 tiles surrounding the center, so no reason to not get all of them unless you're really short on orbs

[jolly thicket]

But which tank can reduce enemies' speed?

I'm thinking Elio but that's too RNG

[gentle sun]

Lodge Elesa depending on the stage

[cloud crane]

It's fine. Reduce it with glaciate while using lucian as the second

Darach 3/5 reduces speed with slomo on grid but only to -3 max

The remaining should be by ghetsis

[jolly thicket]

So Ghetsis should just buff up first?

[cloud crane]

Could use one TM and then start glaciations

Lucian is kinda better too

Very easy on the gauge

The lack of speed debuffs are compensated with sp defense drops

[jolly thicket]

I think I'll wait for Ghetsis's expanded grid

[cloud crane]

Without the expanded grid you would need someone to buff special attack and like +2 crit

With it maybe only +1 crit is enough

As a minimum

Can follow a denial nuke on the first sync on the left to get in another round of debuffs

[rotund talon]

yeah. i do have bede, who covers both debuffs i guess

[floral oracle]

Is there a reason the guide hasn't been updated for Ss Hilda and Ss Hilbert? Is it because grids haven't exactly been fully flushed out yet?

[shrewd sparrow]

maybe the person who made the doc is busy

[floral oracle]

I was just asking because I usually use whatever is on the doc because they are the generally accepted grids. No rush honestly.

[shrewd sparrow]

its not generally accepted, but suggestions made from an experienced player 🤔

don't get me wrong, sorry if it sounded like bad, but I just really meant that maybe Spark is busy lol

[floral oracle]

I just figured it was multiple people who worked on tbh.

[shrewd sparrow]

the tierlists at the top is made by him in talks with other players

afaik, the grids are just recommendations from his pov

[floral oracle]

I see. Alright. I mean his grids have always worked wonders. So I've never had a reason not to trust his judgment.

[shrewd sparrow]

yep, those are very helpful

they serve as a good base

but as the game goes on in harder difficulties, some grids change to unconventional ones

[copper verge]

Ropalme and Rion also occasionally help refining those too, but yeah mostly examples/suggestions to start with.
It didn't got updated yet because I'm too busy indeed, it'll come eventually 😉

[shadow wadi]

mandatory joke about building grids yourself

[sinful smelt]

Some people have posted grids higher in the thread

[primal wasp]

So question about Classic Gio’s Grid: why safety tether over Amped Up?

Especially on offensive teams where gauge control can be so important

[kindred stag]

His gauge is already not that bad, and if you pick other post-sync stuff you really want to sync with him, and it allows him to tank one more move

[primal wasp]

Okay, that’s understandable

[floral oracle]

I wish I had the brainpower to do that. Sometimes I can see a decent path, but usually I miss out on some options.

[elfin crypt]

I wish the game told us exactly how much a multiplier does in-game

Like Rising Tide or Ramming Speed

[jolly thicket]

I wish we had more energy to grid more tiles

[tranquil socket]

oops, wrong channel

[uncut vessel]

No grids from Spark yet. You think he forgot?

[shadow wadi]

[shadow wadi]

Scroll up to find some helpful info.

[cloud rock]

there's no, like, build focused on B Volt Tackle on SST Red right

this is the closest thing in the doc

[shadow wadi]

I don't see anything helping SSTRed's Buddy move.
What kind of build do you want?

[cloud rock]

i usually just spam B Volt Tackle after TM and call it a day

[shadow wadi]

Yeah, but have you taken a look at the tiles Red has?

[cloud rock]

yeah, there just ain't much

[shadow wadi]

Ain't much equals to paralysis synergy 1.
That's not the doc problem.

[cloud rock]

i ain't blaming the doc lol

i was just wondering if there's anything better for what i'm trying to do, but i guess not a lot

the only real change are the two extra B Volt Tackle tiles in bottom left

[shadow wadi]

You could pick extra bp tiles, yeah

[cloud rock]

but haymaker is so free with the TM it's not really the most clever thing to take that out lmao

[shadow wadi]

Everything else is sync/max oriented

[cloud rock]

besides the buddy move already has sick power for a 2 bar

i ended up with this

[shadow wadi]

You could drop two sync tiles for Max Conductivity

[cloud rock]

i tend to use max move after first sync

to penta-queue at times

[shadow wadi]

Go in with other Max move users to get a septa-queue

[cloud rock]

[sly fulcrum]

He's no robot, and the doc grids are just a guide not to be strictly follow. Time to think of a grid catered towards your team

[primal wasp]

Honestly I think Hilda is very much spam V Create and Hilbert is the Sync Nuke

Play them both with SS Morty so you can Speed Up and just do funny things.

Although Alder+Hilbert pretty good dps I think

So maybe on builds where you focus on SpAtt Dmg you use Metal Sound, otherwise hit the tiles for Techno Blast to Lower SpDef IF you are able to attack with Bug Moves

Assuming it doesn’t trigger if Techno Blast does Water, Ice, Electric, etc damage

At least that’s my take away, you can always build for Bug Zone Nuke with him

Burn builds for Hilda

[granite bear]

hey do you now who is better the new N or the new Hilbert?

[quick temple]

Hilbert

[granite bear]

[elfin crypt]

Techno blasts only triggers when it deals SE damage and only for that SE type so if the enemy isn’t weak to fire it won’t cause fire rebuff

[solid comet]

I’ve got 5 striker candies, 4 tech candies, and 1 general candy, are any of these units worth spending them on?

[placid heart]

Could give 2 to Serena 2 to Hilda and one to SSRed

[solid comet]

Yeah but how good of an idea is that as opposed to continuing to save?

Because Hilda and Serena have been destroying everything at 1/5 anyway, and Red I’m not even using now that I have Hilda

You think it’s really worth it?

[placid heart]

Then you should probably save them

[gaunt zinc]

Is this a good ss hilbert grid? Picked brainteaser, brainpower, superduper effective, and ripple sound 9

Or maybe not ripple sound 9 because you just focus on middle enemy most of the time?

Focusing on techno blast up instead

[floral oracle]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/8903/64602?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBwgJDA4UFjQ1

I've been working on this grid for a sync nuke for N & Kyurem. Not sure if this is the most optimal

[sweet parcel]

You didnt even pick Dirty Sync

This is the better version of yours

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/8903/64602?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBwgJDA4yMzQ1

[bronze dragon]

And this is the better version of both

[floral oracle]

But why would you not grab demoralizing sync when his b move drops their stats by 4?

[bronze dragon]

It's -2 per use

[floral oracle]

Still

[bronze dragon]

And his b move is not worth to use, unless you sync with him

Or super effective I guess

[floral oracle]

^that's the entire premise of the grid

[bronze dragon]

Yeah but still, if you sync with him, his self set up is not good

You need to use 3 buddy moves

[floral oracle]

I mean sure, but you have supports to aid that

[bronze dragon]

Supports don't tend to lower atk or spatk

But yeah, as you see then you're not using the B move

[cloud crane]

yeah. maybe one B move or so at the most

but still would need to lower attack for the innate

[floral oracle]

Fair. But it's still worth the pickup because you do have the option to use it when you're between syncs

In that scenario would it be more useful to grab soften up for the higher crit chance on sync?

demoralizing sync

[bronze dragon]

You don't have energy

[floral oracle]

If you swap from demoralizing sync and atk +10?

[bronze dragon]

Then you're dropping half his sync multipliers...

And if you're gonna sync with him, you're gonna max his innate, so getting -1 spatk when you're aiming to -6 atk shouldn't be hard

As ARK said 1 B move is ok to use

[floral oracle]

His grid is very awkward

So he's only really worth at max 4/5 soften up isn't worth picking up

[bronze dragon]

Personally I'd say if you want SS N the only option is 4/5

Or 1/5 if you're aiming for bare minimum obviously

[floral oracle]

That's a very steep curve.

[bronze dragon]

4/5 to make him be a good unit by himself

1/5 because you just want him and you can make him work somehow with ally pmun and so on

I think his sync isn't even worth it

[cloud crane]

is SSN the first tech with soften up?

[bronze dragon]

Lear has it

[shadow wadi]

What if you just keep a picture in your locket?

[cloud crane]

soften up for a tech does seem excessive imo

[bronze dragon]

Won't be the trainer lodge picture tho

[bronze dragon]

I love sure crit syncs but I only think it's worth it for strikers

[cloud crane]

true that

[gaunt zinc]

anyone has an answer for this?

[bronze dragon]

If you're being super effective you don't really need ripple effect 9, sides die from a super effective TB

But it's a good grid

[gaunt zinc]

Is my first or second grid better?

[bronze dragon]

First

[gaunt zinc]

Okay thanks

[stuck idol]

What sync grid is better for misty? (against flint btw)

[gentle sun]

Which Misty?

[stuck idol]

Starmie

[gentle sun]

And what move level?

[spark tusk]

im assuming Victini's lucky skill is CS2? and also what's her recommended grid set?

[sweet belfry]

CS2 yeah and if 3/5 I personally go for smth like this

[floral oracle]

That grid is all over the place

Both searing shot and v create nodes?

You're trying too hard to hybrid the unit and you're losing so many multipliers because of it.

If you're going for sync you should pick up super sync 9 and the second sync power boost

[sly fulcrum]

SS hilda is different, she doesn't have to go out of her way to build for sync

Rising tide is especially easy to set up so that's definite pick

Though I personally wouldn't go for scorching sync 5 because that tile is too far

I went with this to pair with ss may, no burns double striker

This grid will be different if I use it with entei

[indigo hollow]

any suggestion for SS Hilbert 5/5 grid? i'm lost, too many options ahah

should i just do 4 different grid for each type?

[cloud crane]

You're using the same move for all types

Could try a sync nuke grid, a dps grid and a utility grid in general

Some have been shared earlier on this thread

[indigo hollow]

got it! thanks!

[sonic scroll]

What’s setup for SS Hilbert 3/5

[placid heart]

I think smth like this

[sonic scroll]

@placid heart what’s lucky skill for him

[placid heart]

CS2

[reef marsh]

not super powered 3?

[echo crypt]

That's useless for his sync outside of bug weak

That one doesn't change type

[torpid sluice]

Are these grids good for SS N? Which can be termed better?

[woeful frigate]

Why are you getting ramp up? Even with the extra +2 spa ice beam wont do much damage

[woeful frigate]

Anyone have a Lodge Elesa grid

[sweet parcel]

Check the pins

Her grid builds are updated

[narrow pollen]

anyone got a 3/5 or 4/5 grid for ssN (for damage dealing)

[soft night]

This is a sync focused grid.

also 4/5 makes a difference which one are you looking for

[narrow pollen]

I wanted to run him with Celesa (like i did for my old ghetsis team) so i could debuff and paralyze with her while N would just use freeze shock

so he'd be pure damage dealing

[soft night]

Is he syncing?

and is he 4/5?

[narrow pollen]

2/5 but i have enough candies for 4/5

[narrow pollen]

most likely the 2nd sync after the support ex (still gotta finalize the team)

[soft night]

Even if you run with c.Elesa, his grid doesn't really let him avoid Hostile Enviornment 2

[narrow pollen]

what if i unlocked ice beam mgr instead to save a bit on energy

[soft night]

It's more energy that route.

Cause you have to grab an Ice Beam BP node.

[narrow pollen]

oh yeah

[soft night]

This one sacrifices PinPoint Entry: https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/8903/64602?s=4&l=140&r=6&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFBwwOFBUWMjM0

[sly fulcrum]

Is there a sync pair that buffs accuracy and atk

[soft night]

Fall Caitlin, Lillie

[narrow pollen]

i could try lillie i guess

ill look into her kit

thanks for the help

[sly fulcrum]

Lillie looks good for my ice team set up

[night vessel]

Is there no grids yet for the new SS sync pairs?

[reef marsh]

Isn't Techno super effective?

[shadow wadi]

Oh, there are dozens of them, ready to be created by you

[reef marsh]

Regardless of typing

[shadow wadi]

Sync is always bug type

[reef marsh]

Well yeah apart from that

I was thinking more of the techno blast

[night vessel]

Ah i mean i checked the doc and for me it's blank so i was wondering if anyone came up with any grids yet (since idk how to build characters for the life of me)

[shadow wadi]

That's literally what Odinson said. No boost to sync.

And even then, you only cover five types, not 17. So you're either missing on damage or not using him where you could

[reef marsh]

Oh... I kinda missed that point

[shadow wadi]

For now people in charge of the doc are busy, so you can try building them yourself - new experience, eh?

Not like something can go wrong

Grab the nodes you feel you'll like, see how that goes

[night vessel]

Alrighty thank you!

Hopefully it'll go well since i pulled for ss Hilda and got her at 3/5 at my first multi and i know that at 3/5 the grid is basically open

[copper verge]

Here is a simple 3/5 Hilda grid from the official author of the document: pick Rising Tide

[open flicker]

does this sync grid look ok? https://i.imgur.com/H5k2tpo.png

3/5 SS N, trying to use sync on him

[stuck idol]

Does someone have a good N grid?

[gentle sun]

You could go with the Defense tile on the left and the Sync base power tile instead of Quick Cure and the Defense tile on the right. Would give you a little extra energy too

[gentle sun]

Which N?

[stuck idol]

SS N

[placid heart]

If it’s this one I imagine smth like this(?)

[gentle sun]

Doc hasn’t been updated yet, you could just make a grid you feel works for you and ask for opinions about it here

[runic shell]

which looks nicer im wondering

both use 60 energy

[merry onyx]

i wouldn't grab the sync tiles if you aren't also using pecking order but that's just me

but i'd say the 2nd if i had to choose, i wouldnt take cold snap unless it's to enable a freeze multiplier (like for pryce) or to cheese certain LA's

[runic shell]

mayhaps

someone else would hafta debuff the atk

but yeah

[elfin crypt]

How high does SS N want to be to be optimal?

Asking because pulling got me 2/5, and I wonder if I should feed him more candies or stop

[bronze dragon]

4/5

[sweet parcel]

Is he the first pokefair not counting Raihan OG N Lysandre that needs 4/5?

[elfin crypt]

Eesh steep investment

[stark berry]

Probably 4/5, 5/5 if you want 100% reliable nuke

2/5 is the bare minimum to be usable

1/5 requires too much babysitting, for subpar performance

[jolly thicket]

Will Ghetsis's builds be updated with the expanded grid?

[shadow wadi]

Eventually, yes, like others.

[bronze dragon]

Not like he changes much

[stuck idol]

Is N usable at 3/5?

I am really unsure about the grid

[ripe verge]

Question about BP Sophocles : if standfast 9 reduces recoil to 2 %- will standfast 3 in his grid reduce it down to 1.4 % …? Is my math right ?

[snow fox]

9 reduces by 90 % and 3 reduces by 30% of the remainign 10% so 7% of the damage it would have taken

[ripe verge]

Very usable - I’ve got him grided for DPS with bolt strike . He’s not a super versatile unit imo but a great electric on-type damage dealer

[snow fox]

I forget how much recoil is at base

[ripe verge]

It’s 20 so that’s checks out - thanks

[open karma]

How do I scroll to the top of this chat on mobile,m

[elfin crypt]

Very top?

Double tap top of the screen

If you mean loading more old messages just keep scrolling up

[zealous breach]

Is there a new best grid for ghetsis now with his power boost?

[bronze dragon]

Look at the grids already done and pick any of the new nodes you would want applying to your team needs

[placid heart]

There is no “best grid”

[bronze dragon]

His nodes are only QoL

So if your team struggles with
Buffing crit: pick sharp entry 1
Buffing spatk: pick ramped up 1
Gauge: pick mgr9

[zealous breach]

Thank you!

[distant lark]

any ss hilbert 2/5 grids?

[bronze dragon]

Nope

Nothing game changing, pick what you like

[pine flint]

Different if u have bug zone tho

[distant lark]

thankyou

[atomic lodge]

IS this good for N?

Or should i aim for both Sync move upgrades

Wait for this, i dont reckon the status effect upgrade to be good

Double Sync grid upgrade + 6atk with one move sounds better

[tulip moat]

There's no expanded ghetsis grid on the doc, anyone got a good one?

[floral oracle]

I would have to argue that this grid isn't optimal. You can easily net the remaining +2 atk from a support pair. You also don't gain enough from the +25 to the BP of your Sync move to justify giving up the other multipliers up top.

Essentially, you're getting +25 BP and +2 atk in exchange for 80% in multipliers.

This is the grid I would personally recommend.

His damage requires you to drop their atk as low as possible and then drop their spatk just once. Paralysis finally for the entirety of his multipliers. He "can" accomplish this all on his own, however, it would be wise to have a support to buff atk and perhaps another to lower target def/atk and apply paralysis so he doesn't have to do it all on his own.

[bronze dragon]

Personally I think his best use is to spam freeze shock and forget about his sync

So I wouldn't grid sync stuff in the main grid

[floral oracle]

I mean, I wouldn't say that either. His Sync hits way harder than Freeze Shock. Not to mention, there's nothing to grid for freeze shock besides mp refresh + some damage nodes.

When using him, you genuinely want to sync with him when you can.

• Why would you skip sync when you can do more damage in 1 less turn? That doesnt make sense at all.

(Reminder, he has the strongest ICE Nuke in the game)

[bronze dragon]

You can pick other stuff like team fast track 9 but it's true that there's not much else to pick

Being strongest ice nuke is a low bar, it's very easy to pair him with an independent unit who syncs stronger than him

And it's not a matter of not pressing sync with him, sometimes you won't be able to sync with him

You might need to either postpone your sync or press a suboptimal Ice beam/b noble roar

Furthermore it's not about the number, who syncs harder: his sync is tedious to set up

[sly fulcrum]

His power is really being gauge free but at the cost of tapping B noble roar which should've been stronger

I've used him this CSMM ontype and he does destroy it but that's not saying much

[primal wasp]

I forget but do we have any ideas for the new Sync Grid on Ghetsis?

[bronze dragon]

Scroll up

[primal wasp]

Okay so next question, is it still okay to pair him with Skyla+SS Elesa?

Or now with the new grid, that’s sort of outdated because of new tiles

[bronze dragon]

No need for double support, his grid expansion is literally to ease his support

[primal wasp]

Okay that’s what I thought

I just need to figure out what to do

[bronze dragon]

You have 2 slots, try to cover in them a combination to satisfy:
-buffs
-gauge
-Ghetsis' set up

There's many different combinations

Darach + SS Elesa

P Serena + support

Etc

I find his noble roar to be quite good for his set up so I try to pair a support that buffs spatk and crit

[primal wasp]

Yeah I was thinking something like that

I can actually probably do Darach+SS Elesa

Is Darach there for DPS while Ghetsis setups Noble Roar Drops?

[bronze dragon]

Well darach can spam feather dance which reduces attack and speed, Ghetsis' sync multipliers

So Ghetsis needs to press less set up moves

You can also go pure DPS with Ghetsis, his sync as well as SSN can be a bit too tedious to set up

[wicked ore]

Any grids for 2/5 N and Kyurem?

[primal wasp]

Kk

I haven’t used him before so wasn’t aware of his tiles fully

Thank you

[dry glen]

What is the new build for ghetsis and kyurem?

[atomic lodge]

Wait the multiplicaters are that significant?

It's what i despise about the game, you sont know how much buffs matter..

[primal wasp]

Get the new free stuff and hit the modes plus the new nodes for buffing his Nuke

[shadow wadi]

You can ask. Or look it up, we have a damage formula doc pinned in #916852044692856834

[atomic lodge]

Yeah but it's a bit tedious when they could have added that to the description of things

Ill look it uo

[stark berry]

I think he's usable even at 1/5 (Zekrom)

[crystal bay]

The doc isn't updated with Ghetsis expanded grid yet. Does anyone have any recommendations?

[stark berry]

Depends on team comps i guess

But the new tiles should be quite cheap

[shadow wadi]

Four new grid tiles are literally either support for gauge or support for buffs. Pick the ones you need, get the old tiles you used earlier

[crystal bay]

Ok, I'll see what I can do.

Would that work for a sync nuke build? Using sync freeby for gauge support. I usually either use him as utility debuffer or sync nuker.

[merry onyx]

what supports are you running with him

plus it's easier to grab the bottom left sync tile rather than the top right one

so instead you could do this

[crystal bay]

If I make him a sync nuker, I'll use 2 supports which can buff spa+4, crit+1 and speed+6 at least. Sycamore is the usual choice with something that gives crit.

And get mgr 9 too.

[merry onyx]

in that case i would just drop mgr 9 for sharp entry instead

saves you a slot instead of having to bring a crit buffer

because then he maxes his own crit after 2 tms and syc maxes his sp atk

[crystal bay]

Yeah. Makes more sense. I really need to start learning how to build grids and not just copying from the doc.

[shadow wadi]

Running Sycamore with a nuker? That's a new one

[crystal bay]

Why does it seems peculiar?

[shadow wadi]

And if you go for TMs for crit, you only need +4 special attack buffs anyway, bring Roxanne or smth

Sycamore needs a sync. Nukers like to sync.

[merry onyx]

i mean ghetsis would usually aim for 2nd sync anyway, it's hard for him to sync first rotation

because then an external source would either have to buff him all the way up or debuff the enemies

second sync is way easier to aim for so syc isn't the worst option out there

[crystal bay]

Ohhh that. Yeah, I mostly used him against special stages. The extra buffs were handy. Also I mostly aim for post sync giving the first sync to an ex support or something like Leaf, Sycamore.

[merry onyx]

exactly

although you should be getting in a 2nd sync instead of having to go post sync

if you're quad queueing that is

[shadow wadi]

Sycamore may ruin quad queue if you tank with him

[merry onyx]

adrenaline

[crystal bay]

I run Adrenaline with him.

[shadow wadi]

Hm, you should get a second sync in and ohko the center then

[crystal bay]

Usually I'm done by the second sync but Sinnoh... Anyway, thanks for the insight on his grid.

[merry onyx]

np np

ghetsis' teams are kinda wonky so for your last slot you could slot in a sp def debuffer, another sp ice attacker, ex. bp candice or pryce

i think ghetsis' most ideal partner would be lucian as he debuffs both atk and sp def

[crystal bay]

Yeah but I'm keeping Lucian for SSteven. Make that a sure off type team.

[merry onyx]

ahh gotcha

[cloud crane]

If you've got a 3/5 Darach, he's also kinda nice for ghetsis

Attack drops and speed drops plus also speed buffs

[floral oracle]

Yes. A general rule of thumb is those numbers at the end. 2,3,6,9 etc. Think of those as the 10th percentile. So 2 is 20%. There are also two types of multipliers. Additive that stack and then multiplicative that scale.

[floral oracle]

Eh. Idk. I've actually got into a solid rhythm with him on my team. I'm not having to delay his sync to roar or anything. I used to have the problem, but figured out a rhythm to it. So when you find the rhythm. Syncing with him is actually optimal.

[reef marsh]

any 3/5 grids for SS Hilbert?

[floral oracle]

Depends on what you want.

Are you going for a certain type?

Do you want both rebuffs?

He has a lot of variance.

[shadow wadi]

Both rebuffs? Isn't that 5/5?

[reef marsh]

Bug will have to suffice for now

[floral oracle]

Oh rite

Then 3/5 bug? One sec

This is for dps

[reef marsh]

much appreciated

[floral oracle]

This is a makeshift one for nuke.

Probably some things that can be altered, but this gets you the most multipliers for your nuke.

This is probably more optimal. The spatk debuff from daunt doesn't give you anything in multipliers.

[reef marsh]

im aiming to take down Azelf

which one would be better

[floral oracle]

You can do that with either then. He clears azelf stupid fast regardless of grid.

[reef marsh]

debuffs stay apart from the rebuff

[floral oracle]

They all combo into more damage. They just stack differently.

[reef marsh]

done

his dmg is insane

[atomic lodge]

That makes a bit a sense

[floral oracle]

Problem with him is he does too much damage so you don't rly get to use the bug rebuffs

[placid heart]

Is this a good kris grid?

[floral oracle]

So, personally, I don't think taking the extra Sync Move +25 is worth skipping over Electric Sysnergy 5

[placid heart]

It boosts her damage a ton but I went for this instead as it paralysis is a harder condition to setup aoe than just having terrain

[floral oracle]

That's something I'm still learning, the +25 is better than the 50% multiplier from a node?

Also, could i recommend taking the +5 SpAtk Node over the +10 Hp node

[placid heart]

Oh right

[placid heart]

Well paralysis synergy is not a sync move multiplier but in most cases the 50% is betyer

[floral oracle]

I always figured if it said Moves it included Sync Moves.

It's just when it said Sync Moves it didn't include moves.

[bronze dragon]

PSerena, C Elesa and Colress can aoe para, there's many reliable st paralyzers

That's the build that gives the highest damage

Some multipliers like 20% ones can be less value than a sync BP node, but not a 50% one

[floral oracle]

So Electric Paralysis does include the Sync Move?

[bronze dragon]

Moves is regular attack moves

[floral oracle]

Ah

[bronze dragon]

There's no such thing as Electric Paralysis

[floral oracle]

Im getting my words mixed up

Paralysis Synergy

[bronze dragon]

Regular moves only

You have 3 kind of Attacks:
-Moves
-Sync Moves
-Dynamax Moves

[floral oracle]

Here its just more beneficial to include the 50% multiplier over the +25 because it provides more overall DPS

If I'm not mistaken.

[bronze dragon]

You can try and see, sometimes it's not about the number

Sometimes that smaller difference in sync is actually the difference between enemy being KO'd or not

So test and see if you need more damage on discharge or sync

[placid heart]

I don’t see myself using PSerena with her lel and neither sync tiles why so? I don’t have CElesa either

[bronze dragon]

Because you have 60 energy

That's why I always share screenshots so you can see the energy available

PSerena and CElesa just make it easier, the many different ST paralyzers still applies

[placid heart]

But I mean like wont taking the sync tiles be more important than DPS tiles she has an aoe move so it already won’t be doing much and taking the sync tiles would be helpful as she doesn’t have EX

[bronze dragon]

[placid heart]

Oh did not see that lel

[keen nova]

Does ghestis get anything good from his grid buff?

[sinful smelt]

Consistency

[opal pond]

Grid suggestions for the new Ghetsis?

[placid heart]

If you have the proper buffers don’t need to change anything

[stark berry]

Mgr 9 is still good, regardless

[granite bear]

Somebody nows if a meme channel exist in the server?

[opal pond]

Any suggestions for a 3/5 Victini grid?

[placid heart]

There’s not one

[echo crypt]

good, considering the quality of memes these days

[copper verge]

This is the meme channel : https://discord.com/channels/583120259708616715/595459903921848330

[quick temple]

I mean there’s memes in #star-board

Quality varies

[stuck idol]

some buddy help me with blastoise sync tiles upgrade what i have to use or what not??

[placid heart]

Check the pins

[stuck idol]

didn't show any things will u pls share ss here 🤠 pls

[echo crypt]

...

there are links in the pins, click on the link to the document in there and look for SS Blue

make some effort

[placid heart]

?

[potent quail]

Time for pain. Who to candy to 2/5?

It's an omni candy

[placid heart]

Save

[cloud crane]

Ss Kris does get some nice stuff at 2/5

Mainly the MPR

Though it's not that necessary

[stark berry]

Ss blue is pretty versatile,, the grid depends on situation

He has lot of interesting tiles, and it depends on situation, stuffs like impervious and wise entry may be useful in some stages, adrenaline may be useful if you have trouble with quad queue and you plan to get a second sync before the enemy sync, party crashers is my way to go for sync nukes that don't need to use damaging moves before 1st sync (and don't have stuffs like soften up)

[potent quail]

I was looking at ssmorty and ssacynthia thinking those might be good to pump to 2/5

Ssmorty getting aoe speed buffs and ssacynthia gettimg team fist bump in fight zone

[stark berry]

I think ss Cynthia is either 1/5 or 3/5 i don't think gets much at 2/5

[keen nova]

What are good 2/3 grids for ss Hilda and ss steven?

[placid heart]

Check the pins for sSteven look at a 3/5 grid and try and take what you can

[cloud crane]

I guess that doesn't really work most of the time because the 3/5 grids focus on reaching those good 3/5 nodes and choose between the paths to them

For a 2/5 attack form ss Steven, I think just the psycho boost mgr and the extra sync tiles are the most necessary

[placid heart]

Same case with Hilda she has almost nothing in her 2/5 grid

[sinful smelt]

Most 2/5 grids you can just get all yellow and red tiles right?

[cloud crane]

Yeah that's usually the case

[stark berry]

These units don't get much from 2/5

From 2/5 i would jump to 3/5 or keep them 1/5 if starting from that

[primal wasp]

So my Grid for Kyurem. His Teammates are SS Elesa and Darach. Not sure what Darach’s Grid should look like outside of the obvious pickup of Slowmo, especially since Kyurem is the Sync Nuke.

Honestly, I should maybe look at Kyurem just being raw DPS and Darach as being the Nuke?

[dense eagle]

What are people using for N Kyurem at 3/5? Demoralizing Sync and Dirty Sync?

[sweet parcel]

I dunno if the recommended grid builds doc in the pin has updated N grid yet, but you should check it out

[dense eagle]

None of the new ones are there. I checked

[sweet parcel]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/8903/64602?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFDA4RFBUWLzIzNA

I would use this grid

[dense eagle]

Thats pretry much what I came up with too thanks

[dense eagle]

Hrm what about lucky skill?

[gentle sun]

Critical Strike as always

[stark berry]

If you plan to sync with him

[gentle sun]

The 1st question to ask when it comes to Lucky Skills is “Do they do the big damage?”

If yes, then 80-90% of the time it’s Critical Strike.

If no, then 80-90% of the time it’s Vigilance

[stark berry]

Maybe weathered warrior 3 for units that rely heavily on weather

[gentle sun]

They would fall into the 10-20% that don’t use CS2, yeah

[stark berry]

Yes for damage dealers most of the times cs2 is the best bet

[gentle sun]

Even on those where it’s not the best it’s still good, too

[bronze dragon]

First half yes, second half no

Many units want HS1, adr1, dc2, mg2 etc

[gentle sun]

Would you say 60-70% is a more accurate estimate of those that want Vigilance?

[bronze dragon]

Maybe

Personally I think vigilance is the "I don't want to think too much" skill

[gentle sun]

Fair

[bronze dragon]

It's not the straightforward staple it used to be

[copper verge]

stage reset = Vigilance

WW3 = overkill most of the time

I'd rather save deluxe for HS1 and Adrenaline 1 but that's just me ^^

[primal wasp]

Seeing this Grid, would it still be better to have Kyurem be DPS+Sync Nuke or should Darahc be Sync Nuke+Debuffs?

[elfin crypt]

Man I don’t wanna stage reset

Vigilance all day everyday

[shut moss]

when will genesect be updated to sync grid

[placid heart]

Never hurt to try and make your own or smth in all seriousness I’d try the first one if he’s 3/5 the 5/5 grid I made I don’t even think is good 🦑

[shut moss]

🥹

[copper verge]

Me neither, I just eat the crit and that's fine

[sly fulcrum]

Just pop the enemy fast enough so the crit doesn't matter easy

[opal pond]

Any grid suggestions for SS Hilda at 3/5?

[slate widget]

Pick rising tide

[opal pond]

Any other suggestions?

[gentle sun]

Pick Sync base power tiles

Actually being fully serious, Rising Tide is basically the only "mandatory" pick for an SS Hilda grid since it means she actually has a proper Sync nuke. The rest depends on a lot of factors and should generally be decided by her team and your personal preferences

[opal pond]

How's this?
https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/403/49400?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBhASExYXGiQmKTE0NQ

[gentle sun]

Seems fine, though IMO going around Searing Shot MGR is better since you get a little more Attack

SS Hilda has an in-built MGR for her moves anyways

[opal pond]

Gotcha. I'll consider that for general use, but I was just about to use her for this weeks' MM CS, and I usually pick -2 gauge.

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/403/49400?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBhASExYXGiQmKTE0NQ
How about that?

[gentle sun]

Well in CS you're generally not gonna use Searing Shot anyways unless the stage has Sentry Entry x2

[gentle sun]

This shows up as the same grid as the 1st one

[gentle sun]

And also if you're using Searing Shot AoE then you get 3 gauge back, making the MGR even more overkill

Well, 3 gauge if 3 targets

[opal pond]

Oh oops. I just swapped out MGR for the SDE tile and removed a SS power up tile.

I'm also using her on Aaron, who has special damage suggested.

[gentle sun]

If you really wanna use Searing Shot then that's a fine grid

[opal pond]

But either way, I don't mean to have her selectively built for that level. I want a good general grid.

[bronze dragon]

Someone should pin whatever grid for SS Hilda and SS Hilbert, I'm seeing the same question every day

[gentle sun]

That's almost certainly because Fire weak Aaron is designed for Anniversary N

[opal pond]

(It's because it's not in the guide yet)

[gentle sun]

A good general grid is basically Rising Tide

Everything else is more specific in use

Burn Synergy is meaningless if you don't have a teammate who can reliably apply it, for instance

Searing Shot has crappy Burn chance without Hostile Environment when it's used as AoE

And only like 30% on single-target

And you're also usually spamming V-Create anyways, because unless the stage has Sentry Entry it's more damage (regardless of what the in-game recommendations say)

[opal pond]

Alright, I'll gear a grid more towards VC

[gentle sun]

Basically just the 1st grid you posted going around Searing Shot MGR instead (picking up the Attack tile)

V-Create doesn't have much in the way of grid support

Other than the general modifiers, of course

[opal pond]

Alright, I'll work something out. Thanks.

[stark berry]

For me it's a staple for unit that are meant to tank and don't already have vigilance (or need another lucky skill)

[bronze dragon]

Sure, there's people who are going to prefer it

[bronze dragon]

That's why I said this

Nothing wrong in not wanting to think

I just prefer to abuse countdown or even wise/sentry entry 2 sometimes

For gauntlet fans it makes sense to stick with vigilance

[sinful smelt]

Vigilance is the less rng skill

[shadow turret]

Best I could come up with for 3/5

[sinful smelt]

Valuable for that alone

[tranquil socket]

say, is this good enough for oak?

[sinful smelt]

Seems a bit mixed. What are you trying to do with him?

[tranquil socket]

mostly to be that evasive status inflicter

[sinful smelt]

If you want him to be an evasive tank you should drop the dirty fighting (bottom right) and take the first aid (bottom left)

On the other hand, if you want him to hit, I would recommend dropping dirty fighting/status and taking the inertia and blind spot in the top right, as they're easier to trigger, especially as you already have the evasiveness tiles

A third option of course is to go full status and drop the evasion nodes while keeping dirty fighting, and instead power up the relevant type move!

[tranquil socket]

what would be the better status though?

[sinful smelt]

Really depends what you want to do. You can have separate grids! Personally I have a Thunder grid which I've used for LG.

[reef marsh]

what grids should i use for the SS Johto trio to complete the Villa without heals

[bronze dragon]

They can even go gridless

[primal wasp]

So would SS Hilbert with a focus on Metal Sound and using Bug Daunt 9, be a good way to enable Alder Hyper Beam and Overpower? He can also be a Sync Nuke to allow Alder to be pure DPS and not have him hit Devastation for the Sync Mod. Would that be okay?

It still feels like Alder is a bit underwhelming in terms of mods for his dmg otp

Only having the Two Nodes for a Sync and his DPS

[keen otter]

Does anyone have a good vicini grid? Seems the Google doc is no longer being updated

[sweet parcel]

what move level is Victini?

[keen otter]

2/5

[sinful smelt]

Just take the red and yellow tiles then

There are never 1/5 or 2/5 grids because there is usually only one setup that matters

[ashen orchid]

Any changes for this grid?
Using her with Cynthia, normally no chances to sync

[cloud crane]

for gauntlet, the nuke grid would be great. if not syncing, this seems fine to me

[keen otter]

I'd happily take a 3/5 grid though too since i nearly have enough coins

[fading breach]

What grid do i use for victini

[fading breach]

Does anyone know the grid for ghetsis

[green cedar]

pins

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[stuck compass]

Besides Kris are any of the expanded grids at next reset worth making

[bronze dragon]

Roxie

And Lysandre obviously if you want to count him

[stuck compass]

Thanks!