Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[agile wave]

Paulo sets weather?

[rain sorrel]

Yeah via his Dmax

[lunar sedge]

If he's with another support then sure, idt ingo has the bulk to solo support tho

[inner heath]

you have some serious problems with team building esp with a roster like that, not for this battle but others too, I wouldn't even consider this an EBE, just a little harder battle challenge
this doesn't even need some creative team building or using budget f2p options, you have every tool to counter the gimmicks
nc blue nc red and irida can pretty much clear this even more braindead than ssgladion, just at least level your team to 140, you've been playing long enough and still have pairs at lv120 or lower is just...

[bright python]

he's problem isn't teambuilding

his problem is just refusing to listen to people telling him "try this"

[inner heath]

uhm this is so Trin coded

but yeah

[bright python]

also i think the issue is literally just the gio stage which yeah it's a bit difficult if you dont know what to do

[frail kraken]

gio stage tanky

think the key is rebuffs and zones especially zones

[bright python]

I saw you have the Steel Team Six, and I just cleared the stage (rather easily in fact, even though my anni lillie failed to crit with her sync)
If you can't do this, then it's your loss or you're doing something wrong

And before you say move levels

[paper mural]

If you don't aware the gimmick, even bringing the right team won't work.

I mean when to change, when to rebuff etc.

[bright python]

yep

and this team is honestly rather no-brainer
the only things of note that aren't just like common sense stuff to do is to use sunsteel strike and then lillie's b-move first and using one of ss lear's pasio circles after syncing with arc steven

but like, other than that, everything else should be doable with this team

[chilly dawn]

So how bad is the SS Ethan EBE?

I saw 5x johto and bailed

[valid raft]

All AoE moves, sides lowers your offensive stats and Ethan gains multipliers from those lowered offensive stats

[chilly dawn]

Ah

So, absurd bullshit

[earnest panther]

It's actually pretty rough.

[chilly dawn]

Yeah I figured

[earnest panther]

Even with a stacked johto roster

[valid raft]

You'd need a Wide Guard unit, preferably Lana

[chilly dawn]

Especially bc dark weak means most of the time your main dps is like

Karen

Or BP Karen

[earnest panther]

Using Karen is fine actually

It's the AOEs which is the problem

[bright python]

Honestly if you don't have 5/5 karen or lana/ssg gio i think this actually impossible

[chilly dawn]

I think I'mma just Not

[valid raft]

Oh yeah, Ethan starts with 1 SpMUN stack with Surf and right side goes next with EQ with 1 PMUN stack

[bright python]

There is a F2P team but you need to grapple with RNG

[fast pendant]

Pretty sure ppl have done with Silver

[dark dust]

Pykuo's solution works well unless you missed Silver's PB

[earnest panther]

If it requires rng to be a clear, it ain't f2p friendly lmao

[spiral summit]

Yeah

Rng is awful

You need to block all move

[valid raft]

Anyone tried rats clear on Ethan?

[bright python]

I think that makes it more difficult instead of f2p unfriendly

[valid raft]

I know it's possible to do it with them

[dark dust]

Pretty sure someone did

[dark dust]

Also this

[spiral summit]

Also 2 HS1

[dark dust]

Oh

[spiral summit]

Yeah

[dark dust]

Okay that's a different issue altogether

[spiral summit]

Not everyone have 80% pairs with HS1 like me lol

https://youtu.be/4jnNgF1Ll6w?si=zBUyh1-JW1PJDcTP

Yep HS1 on Lana and Lyra

[snow spruce]

You can off-region it, with Lana
or even without Lana
but with fully invested arcs only 💎

[valid raft]

Rats off-region is possible

Just need to paralyze either Surf or EQ

[dark dust]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

I thought it was just the left one who can summon Hail

[pearl pewter]

left doesn’t actually have hail only right does

[dark dust]

Ye I just assumed lmao

That said. The left has Giga Impact so I need to get rid of it asap, regardless

At least now I know how I'll handle this

[dark dust]

Note to self: Mina not surviving the 2nd sync is a run ender

[tulip stream]

closest ive gotten is 60% w/ this comp

[fast pendant]

Your dmg there is not exactly great

Surely you have a better weather option than Tierno

[tulip stream]

wanted him for debuffs

gonna drop in ss morty

later

still gotta fix his LS bc i fucked it up while drunk

[small basin]

i think ss morty, sc selene and solgalillie can do it but its potion mpr hell

and earthquakes hurt lillie so bad and none of them can debuff atk

[snow spruce]

@warm haven btw I also have Avery now and I tried Avery-NC Blue-ASC and its notably worse than Blue-Milo-ASC
Didnt even bother trying Nita, I know it will be a nightmare. Blue + Cynthia isnt very good on Nita
Milo was just way easier
if Cynthia were Special instead of Physical, would probably be better with Averys circle

[warm haven]

oh it's weird that's worse

is nemona the problem?

[snow spruce]

its just worse overall. Avery doesnt do as much - you lose Supp+Sprint, Milo being your main tank, mini-pots, like ~9 total PMUNs, speed debuffs etc.

for Special dps Avery works, for ASC not as much

Milo-Blue-ASC was mostly a breeze on all 15 UBs and thats without having Adrenaline 1 on Milo which made things harder

Milo also gives that +20% to moves and syncs when speed debuffed. Pretty good

if 1-1,5 years from now - NC Blue gets speed debuffs on his 4/5 or 5/5, I might revisit that team Blue-Avery-ASC, since Nita would be way easier then

[tulip stream]

ok new closest ive gotten

needed another 3 zones or so

[low coral]

You don't have anyone else for Steel damage over Steven?

[tulip stream]

might be able to grab zone extension if i drop another 20k orbs

[tulip stream]

I NEED rebuff bc selenes dmg is disappointing

i do have a 1/5 poppy but

mortys tanking aint cutting it

[dark dust]

Tfw I high rolled too early that I triggered the endure at the wrong time

[gentle wharf]

lol I’ve had that happen

[tulip stream]

important thing about poppy: she cant ever uses thunder wave on a paralyzed opponent vs dana

bc it triggers ridicure

[fast pendant]

I would use Lillie instead of Selene

At least she has somewhat a nuke

[tulip stream]

wow poppy is so squishy

she aint living shit

first sync wipes her

[plush gale]

https://youtube.com/shorts/rOr1pHOO4Ac?feature=share

[lunar sedge]

Anyone here crazy enough to try out 10/5 Ingo, 3/5 NY Poppy and 5/5 Akari on Dana lol

[dim lance]

why that comp specifically

[lunar sedge]

Just thinking what could work for a team with ingo as solo support

Tbh the third slot can be just about anyone who can lower def, as long they can also function as a secondary DPS + zone provider

[short gate]

Can’t complete the Ethan ebe with Lana Karen and melony since I’m getting unlucky with mpr

Does anyone know some teams that don’t require her? I have bp morty ex and 5/5 on all the other support johto pairs

[fast pendant]

If you have SS Morty and SS Kris that has been used alongside Karen

[short gate]

No ss kris

I found one that uses jasmine bp morty and Karen

But I can’t recreate the clear since it doesn’t have sync grids on it

It doesn’t even show anything tbh so I feel like it’s part 1

[olive hull]

Well, usually I don't like resorting to a team of the most powerful units in the game as some win button. But what choice do I have now?

[snow spruce]

I used double Garchomp + AS steven for all of the Giovanni battles, didnt even notice what gimmicks he had.
Wasnt much different from daily BP battles
If you have op pairs then there isnt any reason to think too hard about anything that isnt regional EBE or UB

[olive hull]

I don't like doing that. But clearly I'm in the minority as every battle's in-game recommended teams are always filled with the same 3 team comps.

[snow spruce]

humans tend towards path of least resistance

[fast pendant]

You're free to do other teams, but if you're trying things that aren as well put together you shouldn't be surprised to find issues lol

Besides that's not even an invested team so that's hardly the best team possible

[inner heath]

it's just 1 team anyway, his roster can build multiple teams to clear this, just make sure to counter all the gimmicks

and what's wrong with using the most OP teams, you pulled them for these fights

[paper mural]

I mean you don't like op teams but you also don't like optimize level or lucky skill or other things of "weaker" units like Lyndis would?

[uncut drum]

https://youtu.be/EEWT5Pyq26M

[white cairn]

Looks like it'll be the first UB which I can't properly do it.

[uncut drum]

No Arc Suits or Master Fairs, no super awakening

[earnest panther]

The only UB i've had consistent trouble was the giovanni one

Took me about 3 weeks?

It unfortunately took me Arc Steven to beat it

[paper mural]

After seeing the SS Morty + dragon, I'm wondering can SS Morty + exr Anni N + whatever 3 zones setter do it too?
Anni N has piercing gaze and atk/spatk down for survivability.

[uncut drum]

N should be able to do it yeah

[dark dust]

The amount of MPR is insane. Meanwhile, my Mina is struggling with one

[uncut drum]

You only really need 1 mpr tbh

Just enough for Calem to stay alive

[dark dust]

That said, that was some good run

[uncut drum]

Thank you. I tried it out and knew it was possible to get it eventually

After having some close failed attempts

[dark dust]

I hope I can finish mine soon

As soon as the right trainer stops being an absolute pain

[olive hull]

It goes against the values I uphold for myself which are often challenged in high difficulty content like this. I appreciated the help and figured it was worth at least trying. I'm thankful for the help and I'm sorry for my past behavior

[marble portal]

what level is Selene

[low coral]

Not whatever 3 Zones setter

Needs to be a competent one by themselves still

[short gate]

Anyone??

[sonic bear]

Any good support to replace arc Steven? I have lear and lillie

For the UB

[formal matrix]

You have 3:5 SS Mina?

Or SS Morty invested?

[sonic bear]

I have both

I can super ss mina but hesitating on spending candy for it

For the long Rain and another fairy zone set

[fast pendant]

I don't really find it worth it

Unless you really want to

[mystic lion]

Bye Dana! Poppy’s taking ittt (ignore me using 2 of the most broken supports xD)

[fast pendant]

Well it's still pretty great considering Poppy's aoe dmg is gated to being in steel zone

And you lack a proper nuker

[loud adder]

Way easier than it should've been honestly...

It just needs:

1. Acuity on Leaf, Vigilance on Lillie
2. Start with Sunsteel Strike and Iron Head, cue Lillie's Buddy Move immediately and make sure Steven flinches to set Steel Zone early.
3. Knock Abomasnow as early as possible for an easier late-game.
4. Immediately flinch during the 30% endurance and SPAM LIKE NO TOMORROW!

[gilded finch]

lets gooooo

[tulip stream]

3/5 exr and +4

[gentle wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/easy-red-easy-button-red-button-gif-4642542

LMAO banking on flinch at the right moment

[bright python]

Me with my dana run requiring a flinch at a moment when abomasnow is about to use blizzard so that my leak of hs1 on arc steven doesn't matter

[obsidian meadow]

Just flinch them how hard could it be?

[marble portal]

She should be enough. I have her 3 EXR +6E

Morty and Steven at 4

[tulip stream]

1/5 exr steven

so a bit harder

[short gate]

took long enough

[elfin valve]

Hello! Is there by chance a link to Nita UB with the AnniSteel team in English? In the doc, Korin’s guide is linked for that team. I get the gist, but I feel like I’m missing some key advice since I don’t understand the language.

[tulip stream]

need smth to clear that fucking hail

you aint powering through winter coat 9 and healing hail

[stable storm]

steel has done that btw

[tulip stream]

wait what

[stable storm]

but the person is asking for an English giga steel nita clear

[tulip stream]

huh

whoops sorry

[stable storm]

steel did that a while ago

[snow spruce]

they have SE damage on Dana.. And sync ignores Winter Coat 9
Thats how it was possible

[stable storm]

also sillie has piercing blows

sillie just so happened to be very well built for 15/15

[snow spruce]

Funny enough the other three 15/15 teams all have easier time on Dana than (weatherless) Steel

[stable storm]

the steel weak ub countering giga steel is hilarious

they really didn't want steel comp to clear

[elfin valve]

I could add Cynthia to swap for AnniLillie, but she’s only 3/5 and all the clears with Arc Cynthia seem to be with her at 4/5.

Is there an Arc Cynthia 3/5, Arc Steven 4/5, SS Lear 3/5 clear for Nita?

[snow spruce]

Arc Cynthia 3/5, Arc Steven 4/5, SS Lear 3/5 is more than enough

[rain sorrel]

Unless you're Lilliegaleo. She straight up ignores Winter Coat because she indirectly has Piercing Blows. My recorded run had to deal with that but she managed to punch through

[elfin valve]

Oooh would you be able to share yours?

[elfin valve]

Just realized ya’ll responded regarding Dana which I already cleared. I’m trying to clear NITA with this team

[dark dust]

Found a better roration against Dana I think. More RNG at the start tho

[paper mural]

They need to try harder if they really don't want steel comp to clear. This is not it (on type and pierceable reduction).

[snow spruce]

Winter Coat 9 and Healing Hail 2 on a Steal-weak UB is already very strong

[paper mural]

If it's hail: def/spdef x3 + no interference + no sta down like Nemona it's another story.

[gilded finch]

Next ub when

[paper mural]

Calm down. We just got the new one this week.

[gilded finch]

Im joking

But its safe to assume somewhere in feb right

[paper mural]

Ghost in Feb and bug will in March to match the gimmick of Arc Bug is what I assume.

[gilded finch]

Arc Alder probably right

For the unit

i mean

lol

does the battle rally give any hint as to who we’ll be facing in the future?

[dark dust]

They will split the gimmick between Arc Alder and (MF) Slither Wing because of course

[gilded finch]

ah

[paper mural]

Ingo, Emmet (these 2 possibly together again), Red

[dark dust]

If the HSE in March confirms to be Poison/Bug, my for the entire Volcarona family will grow even bigger

[gilded finch]

They’re bout to be even harder than last time huh

no more chatelaines right?

[dark dust]

Yep

[gilded finch]

Oh good

They were starting to get boring

SPENSER AND TUCKER WHEN

I also guess giving Leon a UB opens the doors for more champion ubs right

[small vault]

Not really because you battled Leon in SwSh Battle Tower

Closest I could see is Cynthia who you can battle in the Battle Tree

[obtuse raft]

Battle Tree would open the doors a lot too

Got red/blue, Wally, uhh

[paper mural]

I mean if it's indeed 14 types the rest is alr confirmed to be the 3 I mentioned.
It's only possible if they repeat types to use other trainers.

[gilded finch]

I know that was his BT outfit but he still used Charizard

[gilded finch]

And a few other places too

[gilded finch]

I dont know if this is relevant to the repeat types thing but didnt this new UB introduce the first time they ever technically included a double weakness with one of them sharing rock i think it was

and darach is already rock weak

[paper mural]

Yeah but it's still mainly steel weak in the end, which didn't repeat.

[dark dust]

There are people who think the last two UBs (currently) are Dahlia and Greta. That said I'm on the Sub Train + Red one

[wary hemlock]

wanna ask

can ssa cynthia, shauntal and iridia clear nita

i almost clear it

but somehow they died

lol

[dark dust]

Well if you are close then I guess so?

[wary hemlock]

i still have problems with the timing

80% and 30% mark

[shut trellis]

what are the team rocket ebe gimmicks?

[marble portal]

Proton needs status and can cause sleep iirc
Petrel can poison and flinch
Ariana needs field
Archer I wanna say wants speed debuff

on a side note, AS Steven can solo all 4 of those

[paper mural]

The first 5 (admin + fighting ice weak Gio) is easy battles not extreme battles.

[marble portal]

Ice for Gio.

[paper mural]

Thx for correcting.

[marble portal]

and those all can be AS Steven'd

Fighting is in tho, it's just Archer that's Fighting, not Gio

[paper mural]

Not just ASS. You can easily do the first 5 with good enough f2p units.

[marble portal]

Yeah, I just ignored those gimmicks tbh

[paper mural]

The 6th is where ppl having issue with f2p (doable but a lot more annoying).

[shut trellis]

tell me more about the 6th

[dark dust]

Need zone and status change

[marble portal]

oh and he clears status change at sync

[dark dust]

Iirc the status change is cleared o- yes

[marble portal]

I did Volo/SS Gladion/AS Steven

he also needs offensive debuffs too

[paper mural]

Also just hit way harder.

[formal matrix]

Smh arc Steven or arc Cynthia can’t solo 6th battle they are all trash

[shut trellis]

[rotund oasis]

Hmm. Looks decent

[gentle wharf]

Heh

I used this team

[rotund oasis]

Cool

dont have annihilate

There we go. Syncd + flincher mode geeta

[paper mural]

Dont have Geeta so can only do 2 teams.
My poison fire is this:

Rare EX Flint haver.

[pearl pewter]

same

used flint for the memes

[valid raft]

Imagine having EX Flint

[acoustic needle]

Can I beat Dana with Arc Leon/Neo Leaf/ ?

I don't have SSA Cynthia like the successful team clear has

I'm thinking about using SS Hilda

[paper mural]

SSAG. This is a 15 ub clear team.
Need 4/5 tho for the entry dark zone.

[acoustic needle]

what is SSAG?

[paper mural]

Sygna suit alt Giovanni. The currently running MF.

[acoustic needle]

ah.

I have Dana, Nemona, Morgan and Masked Royal left.

which one of these is the easiest to clear generally?

[uncut drum]

Morgan if you have impervious/downside up and debuffs

[acoustic needle]

I have the birds/rats and Neo Leaf

and SS Hilda

and SS Steven

[uncut drum]

How invested is your Hilda?

[acoustic needle]

3/5 EXR

[uncut drum]

I see. Hilda with NC Blue works very well.

If you have invested Rats you can beat Masked Royal and Morgan (3/5 Ash, Red and Blue at least)

[acoustic needle]

i'll try the rats instead

they're mega invested

in terms of energy

[uncut drum]

Look at the video clears for this team to get an idea of how it was done

[acoustic needle]

already have, will try now ty !

[acoustic needle]

I don't quite understand Morgan's Gimmick?

what am i meant to be doing?

[stable storm]

she constantly debuffs you. If you are not immune to her debuffing you are probably fucked. If mid has def /sp def up , she takes 80% less damage same for sides but attack and def instead @acoustic needle

[acoustic needle]

I tried with rats but it didn't work well at all

are there easier teams to use?

[stable storm]

2/3 rats units don't have impervious

so rats don't matchup well vs morg

[stable storm]

your earlier thought of nc blue+ ss hilda was good

Just need a good third with impervious

[acoustic needle]

my idea was actually Arc Leon/Neo Leaf/ SS Hilda

I also see NC Blue/Neo Leaf/SS Serena

not sure how Neo Leaf doesn't debuff however

[uncut drum]

Debuff Morgan's offenses and defenses, DON'T BE DEBUFFED

Important since without impervious or downside up you die

Ash and Red can handle it together but it's not easy

[uncut drum]

They'll need someone with defenses debuffs since their Hilda is not 5/5

NC Leaf probably works but it's a struggle

[paper mural]

If you have pulled VKris from the free eevee ticket, NC Blue + SST Red + VKris works better than Ash.

[stable storm]

has chase ss hau and nc blue on mr been done yet

[uncut drum]

Oh yeah forgot about her. She's a lot better for Morgan

[acoustic needle]

What does VKris do?

i do have her

[acoustic needle]

may I ask how?

[uncut drum]

She prevents stat drops

And provides infinite electric terrain for Red

[paper mural]

Yeah team Impervious under et. This is what the clear looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbVkEW78pkg

[craggy wind]

Why Milo

Its gonna be Aoe Burn

[snow spruce]

Because I was working toward this
https://imgur.com/a/RAwj3iT

[valid onyx]

What's the Cynthia move level?

[stable storm]

5/5

[valid onyx]

Awww

I can't duplicate

[snow spruce]

5/5, and to do Nemona Milo needs to be 10/5, fully superawakened (but only for Nemona)

[sonic bear]

Dana is making me lose my mind

[valid onyx]

[formal matrix]

Ok I somehow clear Dana with 5/5 arc Steven and 1/5 rose and 1/5 sc Selene

[marble portal]

barely works but hey

[dark dust]

@valid onyx @stable storm @verbal pawn okay done for reals

[valid onyx]

FINALLY, CONGRATSSSSSSSSSSS
and Bianca survive this time, did you timing her circle differently this time? or Mina buddy move?

[uneven sigil]

I dont have arc suit steven or any arc suit for that matter. Am i completely screwed for Dana?

I have nc kanto trio, ss giovanni, some other meta supports too. But no good steel zone user besides anni lillie

[dark dust]

I think making Rei stronger via the +1 PMUN from the circle helped more in her survivability in the long run

Vid will be up in... 15 mins so I can show

But there's also the bit with Mina ye

[uneven sigil]

Oh i could probably do that leaf/cynthia team

[valid onyx]

Trial and error comes to fruition
Must be relieving to finally beat her

[valid onyx]

Good luck XD

[dark dust]

It actually took a while longer because I found a potential strat that may be better during the run

But I can't find the right timing so I went with the original I had

[valid onyx]

Good thing it worked XD

[dark dust]

https://youtu.be/w2g6VIWZVzU

[fervent mulch]

I’ve been struggling with thorton for so long and I thought maybe with mela things would improve

But they have not

[opaque dagger]

why blue? he's ice weak

why headstart over cs2 on may if it doesn't save a turn

[fervent mulch]

My only other support with interference is NcRosa

[low coral]

They need a rebuff source that can keep them alive

That being said, swap those grids

And the targets

You don't need to attack Steelix so much

Nor do you need Trip Up on Mela, May will be enough

Debuff Thorton's Defense asap to not let him use his multipliers

[warm haven]

dont let the enemies to have defense up

[fervent mulch]

No pink cookies

[fervent mulch]

It’s hard since May does it in slow increments

[low coral]

And well, you got flinched on the Roost

[pliant jewel]

Yeah, looks like you could've sniped the avalugg there.

[low coral]

Obv the battle wouldn't end there outside of that 15%

[fervent mulch]

This run looked more promising but e

[warm haven]

I'd say you would need to spam the bmove asap

so mela doesnt debuff herself

[fervent mulch]

I see

[opaque dagger]

also i think +5 speed is fine

don't need to use the second blue x speed

[warm haven]

idt they need even 1

[opaque dagger]

and if you can't kill thorton before the dire hit+

they're gonna need vigi

[fervent mulch]

I can’t live past the icy wind after sync

[pliant jewel]

do you have cinderace?

the one with marnie

now i really wanna try this

but no mela

[fervent mulch]

Omg I did it

[fervent mulch]

Mela ssmay and ssmorty are my only limited fires

[pliant jewel]

i went full into marnie, so kinda low on gems

[fervent mulch]

Oh I thought you meant alt Gloria

I only really pulled mela for the candies for diantha anyways but I finally beat thorton so I’m happy

[sonic bear]

I just can't beat Dana for the life of me

Even with Lillie sol, ss lear and ss mina

I reach 30% then die

I have no arc steven

🙃

Im going to lose my mind on this one

Anyone got a good strat to beat this? Or a better way to queue a move right after sync before their move?

[pliant jewel]

there's an in-game clear showing ssMina ssLear and anniLillie

[sonic bear]

Ik

I am replicating it

But i just can't beat it

Its either the crits or not managing to queue moves after syncing before they queue something

[pliant jewel]

so is it a quad queue execution? or maybe they timed their emergency damage guard differently? you can get better feedback with footage.

[sonic bear]

I trying to replicate the Replay you mentioned

Sometimes my quad queue doesn't go off

Like its queues late

While i spam the button

After sync

[marble portal]

because why not

[bright python]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[stable storm]

congratulations

[dark dust]

Thanks pretty straightforward once I figured out the sequence

[dark dust]

My last two missing are Nita and Morgan. I should get into it

Maybe redo Evelyn and use Rei against her too

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f59DQnJxq7k
hmm

[dim lance]

by the skin of the teeth, jesus

but that's insane

[fervent mulch]

I didn't think ice pairs had it in them WILD

[valid onyx]

Morgan is definitely doable, not sure about Nita

[valid onyx]

Wow so Irida works as well

[dark dust]

I have Irida and Rei has Trip Twice

So massive Spd control there

[valid onyx]

[paper mural]

Wow so we don't need Arc Ice to win this in hail + ice zone in the end of the day.

Still want Arc Ice be multi + support so we can have full ice team in meta.

[formal matrix]

Let’s go push the SSN > nc red agenda

[shrewd marten]

Does skinny have every superawaken wtf

[loud adder]

They don't have "whalenika" in their description for nothing

[lunar sedge]

"I override your infinite ice zone with my own time limited ice zone" 🔥🔥🔥

[bitter lance]

Is it possible to beat dana with 2/5 arc cynthia 3/5 arc steven and 3/5 alt ss giovanni ?

Or do i need to makes my arc steven 4/5 first ?

[valid raft]

Definitely this

[bitter lance]

Man

[paper mural]

There is 1/5 AS 1/5 AC & 5/5 free ALillie clear in the doc.

[fast pendant]

Pls do some fact checking before giving statements that would require investment from someone else

[valid raft]

Hmmmmm ok

[small vault]

rare SA Gloria sighting 👀
https://vxtwitter.com/galar_ojisan/status/1879838432249397731?s=46

[rotund oasis]

that's some damage she's doing o_o

[grizzled portal]

Is this the correct channel for rock / ice type hse related questions?

[lunar sedge]

#1128052735967764621

[grizzled portal]

merci

[craggy wind]

Teams getting weirder

[pseudo pewter]

Can I use her against Giovanni with Mina 4/5 and Blue Nc3/5

I have no good fairy type damage dealers

[rich heron]

Any team with ss mina who can do Dana

No as Steven or as Cynthia

[tulip stream]

your real problem is how fucking bulky gio is. You aint muscling through him w/ that comp before he wipes you

[pseudo pewter]

fair

[lunar sedge]

Check the pinned sheet, there's quite a few arcless SS Mina teams listed

[pseudo pewter]

the best I’ve reached was 20% with 2/5 nc red

Would 3/5 work

[tulip stream]

maybe

[pseudo pewter]

okok

[tulip stream]

more dmg is always good

he also gets some really nice mults at 3/5

but probably wants a different weather setter than mina

smth like irida w/ hail

[stable tundra]

And make sure to save his second rebuff for post Giovanni sync

[white cairn]

I trust one day I'll find a team I can use against Dana who doesn't require Arc unit

[stable storm]

there are quite a few arcless teams rn

most use ss mina tho

[paper mural]

3/5 (or 5/5?) SS Mina or 4/5 SSA Gio. Pick your pill.

[pseudo pewter]

I have no other good ice types

[tulip stream]

no hail setter?

[paper mural]

This is about Gio fight right?
NC Blue + NC Red + anyone who change zone coz not changing zone you're having a big problem.
Maybe try the free option : BP Falkner or DC Gladion.

[pseudo pewter]

What’s DC

[pseudo pewter]

Let me check

Candice but 3 star

[paper mural]

DC = Damage challenge pair.

[pseudo pewter]

ohh

I don’t have him

[paper mural]

Do you have any ticket?

[pseudo pewter]

I’m close to 300

But I’m planning on getting nemona

I have 0 Paldean characters

And I need one desperately

[paper mural]

In Gio's fight clearing or changing his dark zone is important.
If you don't have ice zone, maybe use BP Falkner.

[dark dust]

5/5 Mina is for comfort, but 3/5 is the bare minimum

10/5 is the absolute best tho

[paper mural]

(Don't know what other zone unit you have so this is just my safe recommendation.)

[paper mural]

~~but bad for future Argenta rain clear off type ~~

[dark dust]

How Ironic

[lunar sedge]

time to ask dena to implement a system to turn things like SA, and EX/Rs off optionally

[alpine quiver]

THE FOOL
HE TRIGGERED MY TRAP CARD

[pseudo pewter]

I’m gonna cry

That goddamn flinch from rock slide

[bright python]

try again

[little wigeon]

chat i might be a little stupid

how do i beat this little shit

i have ss gladion & penny idk who else to bring tho i thought abt using ss morty for a tank or maybe like rei for fast nukes but bc gladion isn't 3/5 yet I can't rly spec him for sync nukes yet :P

[pseudo pewter]

I won

[bright python]

add a unit that can change zone

[fervent mulch]

You need aoe rebuff or interference for this stage however you also need to apply it twice on top of zone

[bright python]

filter and tell us

[pseudo pewter]

All it took was horn leech

[little wigeon]

i wish i had like wally or smthn 😭
I'll check my zone pairs, one sec

[little wigeon]

penny provides that with her attack no?

[stable storm]

you need someone to replace zone

[bright python]

she doesnt provide it twice

but maybe you dont need to, but need to see your zone roster first

[stable storm]

penny provides the rebuff tho you will need to kill before gio syncs and gets rid of rebuff

[bright python]

with ss gladion i think they might be able to do it, but i need to see your zone roster

[little wigeon]

not a lot but i do have geeta and rika, those 2 have served me well a lot, dunno if they'd work well here tho?

[bright python]

hmmm

[little wigeon]

i unfortunately don't have any fairy zone pairs, rip

[bright python]

this looks tough

[little wigeon]

yeah,,,,

[bright python]

at least you can auto-override the dark zone

[fervent mulch]

Only once without 5/5

You need two applies of rebuff

[bright python]

i have similar pairs as yours, i'll try and run and see if it works

[stable storm]

geeta should work well enough

[bright python]

i'll see if they need it

[stable storm]

try to see if you can kill before gio syncs

[bright python]

yeah

if you dont you instantly lose

[fervent mulch]

That’s hard even for 4/5 SA diantha with Wally and NCBlue lel

[bright python]

trust in the heart of the good arguements

[stable storm]

ss glad has better burst tbf

[bright python]

but let's find out

[little wigeon]

hmm, right right...
idk if i have anyone else, lemme double check

[little wigeon]

yeah,, :')

[stable storm]

try and see how it goes with this comp@little wigeon

[fervent mulch]

It’s 1/5 gladion I wouldn’t set my expectations extremely high

[bright python]

it's 2/5 though?

[little wigeon]

i need candy like asap its not even funny

yeah, its 2/5

but still, kinda want him at 3

for the funny nuke

[fervent mulch]

He only has super syncer super duper effective and spdsters sync

[stable storm]

worth a shot

[fervent mulch]

Compared to 4/5 SA diantha im not so sure especially when im using a more optimal team than they are even speaks volume to the difficulty of this final stage

There’s no way they’re pre syncing without 3/5 Gladion so they’ll have to focus on post sync

[bright python]

Ok it might (???) be possible

[fervent mulch]

Their penny is not ex

[bright python]

i can reproduce it, but the problem is my penny is 3/5

[fervent mulch]

They can attempt this battle at a later date tho I suppose when she is

[bright python]

i think if they ex penny it might be possible since i didn't pick a lot of good titles

*tiles

but they will really need to quadqueue at the final part

because then you can't click gladion's b-move

it does involve having to do some janky shit like using geeta's TM on ss gladion before he syncs and then you need to quadqueue the b-move or you take the L

[formal crescent]

why is Giovanni in the "Challenge the evil mastermind" battle so bulky :(

[bright python]

because dena wanted to troll us

[forest root]

Right? I even used Kanto birds and I still struggled. Thankfully Leaf was able to nuke him

[bright python]

by making the secret final boss just nemona lite

[bright python]

did you struggle because your pairs were dying too fast?

[forest root]

Nope

[bright python]

strange

[forest root]

Was just hard to get good damage

[bright python]

granted you are using one of the best supports

[forest root]

And one of the best stat debuffers

[bright python]

honestly this stage really wants you to get a good nuker with rebuff abilities

and which benefits from their choice of zone

[alpine quiver]

Lol, dummy

[onyx cedar]

I've been attempting a full Tech/Sprint run vs Palmer with Rei, SS Wally and SS May

[rotund oasis]

how is it?

how close even?

[onyx cedar]

but I leave Regigigas at around 20%

[alpine quiver]

Hmm
I know the fix
Superawaken all of them

[onyx cedar]

I prefer to attempt without investing much lol

they're at decent move levels

all EX R, 3/5 Rei and SS May, 4/5 SS Wally

[alpine quiver]

Tbh, I don't even know where I'd begin to think of improvements with that team

[dark dust]

How does the rotation look

[rotund oasis]

hrm

Rei & Decidueye at 10/5... prolly.....

that fighting zone could ideal to close the gap

(+ the damage he'd be doing)

but yeah that's waaaay too much for resources so meh

[little wigeon]

okay, hipothetically...

if I were to get my hands on like, an SS Mina for example...

Would those 3 work well together? 👀

[onyx cedar]

sync a lot, win

[alpine quiver]

I wish I had Penny

[paper mural]

If you lack 2nd rebuff & zone options you should consider BP Falkner in Gio fight coz clear zone, apply team confusion which counts as status change & drop team atk to help you survive Gio's sync.

[rich heron]

Ice 3v3

NC red again

[valid raft]

Wrong channel

[rich heron]

Oh sorry

[wary hemlock]

any clear on latias using mela

wanted to use her gimmick for this

but failed spectacularly

was forced to use b move so early

[dark dust]

I believe Pykuo did

Wait.

This is not LG

[uncut drum]

On Morgan? Why would you want to use her there?

If it's LA Latias she already soloed it

[wary hemlock]

oh to take advantage on debuffs

but guess thats not happening

[uncut drum]

In theory you can use her on Morgan by letting her get debuffed, then using B-moves to become immune to debuffs, but in practice she'd struggle

[bright python]

yeah

doesn't morgan do more damage on targets with lowered stats?

mela would die as soon as sync

[spiral summit]

My problem with Mela is she want lower her Def/SpDef to power her B Move

But some of the best tank for UB buff 2 those stats…..

So she reach -6Def/SpDef very slowly

And at that point 1 random AOE can just kill her lol

[marble portal]

has anyone thought of using Guzzlord for Palmer

[snow spruce]

he dies

[marble portal]

yeah but could he hold off just long enough for others to clear

[snow spruce]

without protecting the team*

Take All doesnt work on Palmers AoE max move

[marble portal]

o

[spiral summit]

He cant protect from Aoe max move

[marble portal]

Targets Maxed won’t work, good to know

[dim lance]

Lmao

tosakinne spent a few tweets shittalking atticus on X

told y'all he'd hate him

[spiral summit]

Tbh i hate his grid

What is that grid lmao

[dim lance]

"the only reason you'd ever touch him is if you either have no Oleana or have fsr have leeway to get away with not running her"

Didn't stop him from 5/5ing him tho

kek

[paper mural]

This is your typical jp whales.

[spiral summit]

“This guy suck!!!!”
5/5 him anyway

[dim lance]

he's a masochist who pioneered the poison comps

and I reckon he also said these things after actually testing him

[warm haven]

wow

atticus has pretty polarized opinions

[dim lance]

He spent a good amount of time tweeting that the places that you'd want to bring him in he sucks in checking anyway

He's bad vs Leon, he's bad vs MR

has no trait consistency at all

just does a lot, none of it well

[warm haven]

he's better than mina vs those two

[dim lance]

Yeah but Mina has also managed to beat those two without the checks through sheer durability

gl trying to use atticus to brute force through checks

lol

And it goes back to my point on teambuilding, easier to slap Oleana/poison abuser and cover more bases with a support

[paper mural]

I mean he introduced SS Mina supremacy before being stopped at UB Nemona.

[marble portal]

Oleana’s so good for UBs just with that poison and massive stat drops

[dim lance]

Well, scratch that

He used Selene as an acid bot

with Lillie

but you get the drill

[paper mural]

SS Mina + Oleana is too good so yes I can see why Atticus doesn't have a place at all.

[warm haven]

she kinda need help with the debuffs

[paper mural]

in UBs.

[dim lance]

and atticus doesn't?

[marble portal]

didn’t for a while every UB could be done with Oleana/SS Roxie/SS Mina

[dim lance]

he's single target, is stressed to pot

is poisoned target only

[warm haven]

Atticus alone wont survive as long as helped mina, but by himself he resists more

[dim lance]

atticus also isnt more durable than Mina period lol

even if you did run Oleana with atticus to equalize the debuff rate

and ease his need to run other things

heck, I'd argue Geeta/Oleana is his more durable comp

[warm haven]

Even if you dont debuffs as much the sides, the mid is the main problem

[dim lance]

due to stacking DR from paldea, fast debuffs, and he gets to run grid choices that aren't shit or awkwwrad

[dim lance]

sides really hurt in recent UBs

[warm haven]

Yeah but some of them can be flinched

You save the team from an AoE while adding some debuffing to the sides

[dim lance]

you're relying on a 30% rate oftentimes

idt you can compress pots/agg/noxious hit

[paper mural]

I hate his dmg field being set not manual.

[dim lance]

I also think people also overrate his poison DF, it has a very unforfituous transition

if you're reliant on it as a field effect check

and it also incurs grid cost even more

[river prawn]

I don't get being so harsh on him

When he has comparable traits to top pokefair supports

[stable storm]

finally beat up Leon the correct way. I hate both the status ubs

[warm haven]

yeah but sometimes just 1 is big

[dim lance]

goes back to consistency argument

[warm haven]

interrupting a strong AoE move is like using a minipotion

[dim lance]

which still is not on demand and he eventually gets stress to juggle pots

regen is better than pots in general

[warm haven]

it is

[dim lance]

like, I'm fairly certain tosakinto will showcase Atticus

but he'll spend a good portion of the video and the commentary roasting his ass

Like Eri

[paper mural]

He also doesn't like Eri?

[dim lance]

Yeah, he doesn't

[river prawn]

And then praise Milo lol

[dim lance]

You have to give nuance to 10/5 Milo

[river prawn]

I guess everyone has their playstyle

[dim lance]

5/5 Milo i think he'd say sucks too

the awakening passives are pretty important

[paper mural]

What's his issue toward Eri?

[stable storm]

do ya all think ss hau, nc blue and chase could do masked royale?I wanna take my newly 3/5ed nc blue out for a spin

(all 3/5)

[bright python]

what is his opinion towards giacomo and mela

[dim lance]

his exact words:

[warm haven]

Yes, very likely

[dim lance]

"A lot harder to use than I thought, everything being attached to reactive passives from debuffs to defense buffs without any stun compensation and also has also zero gimmick checks"

I can translate his Atticus tweets if anyone wants me to

[dim lance]

mela was not asked yet but he doesn't concern himself with anything below Leon anymore methinks

[marble portal]

Eri I quite like personally

[dim lance]

Giacomo is just "strong unit, Dark as a type sucks"

[bright python]

well then

[marble portal]

Eri’s one of the more fun supports imo

[stable storm]

I fucking hate Masked royale. Wrost ub ever. He shouldn't have that many status cures and that much buffing while having naturally high offenses. He fucking sucks.

[marble portal]

vampire tanks my beloved

[bright python]

because i was going to like half-jokingly say that his issue towards eri is just he hates team star

[dim lance]

also consider he takes strictly off his own UB lens

[calm sand]

Yea, I hate Masked Royal UB too

[snow spruce]

but Atticus has gimmick checks...

[dim lance]

rather than overarching

[marble portal]

Don’t forget that you kinda need Oleana too

[dim lance]

that was Eri

[marble portal]

since Oleana debuffs the three stats you need to lower

[dim lance]

Not atticus

[bright python]

i still haven't beaten masked battle royale

[dim lance]

lol

[calm sand]

This guy always gave me trouble in BR 🙃

[snow spruce]

oh

[bright python]

even though i've beaten fucking dana and nita already

[dim lance]

do you want the full list of his atticus opinion?

[marble portal]

Eri for me is just simply a very reliable tank

she does need 3/5 to function tho

[calm sand]

Sure

[stable storm]

Mr is always one of the most hated ubs for anyone

[bright python]

we know it's probably going to be 15 minutes of him shitting on atticus so give the concise version

[marble portal]

she rly isn’t that good at lower levels imo

[uncut drum]

Yes

[dim lance]

it's on twitter for now, his video is probably different

[paper mural]

Yeah Arc Leon's presence makes Mela feel "why now" to a lot of ppl.

[stable storm]

I did but my first clear was not fun. It was awful.

[marble portal]

I took one look at Mela’s kit and didn’t like it

how are you supposed to maximize the second B

[stable storm]

you can either, immediately rush b moves to gain imperv or b move before her sync to reverse stats

[stable storm]

imo her best playstyle is just immediately click 2 b moves and focus on her naturally high regular dps and sync

[uncut drum]

Yup. No one needs Mela when Arc Suit Leon exists

And also SS Hilda

[dim lance]

"At a glance Atticus qualities are really insulting for UB
Only one round of rebuff
Only two rounds of poison and realistically one because def buffs, he can't solo check MR
no regen, caps at +4
Very low value sync to incentivize resetting poison DF, not even Recup or Synchro or stacks"

[stable storm]

ignore the b move. Her regular dps is higher than ss Hilda by a bit

[marble portal]

ah

[paper mural]

If Mela is not an almost pure dd maybe she'll get more love, like Galar special circle not locked in sa.

[stable storm]

ehhh mela is better than her or at least equal to her 5/5 and better than her at quite a bit at 10/5 tho I feel like those 2 become quite different units when 10/5

[river prawn]

I mean that is just way too harsh, only one round of rebuff. How many supports get more than that

[stable storm]

she has decent utility

[river prawn]

sure when you compare NC Blue and Steven

[dim lance]

"Probably the worst part is when fighting Leon's 60% endure threshold having to reset his DF and not being able to use his B move for important timings (assuming shit is even alive by then). Atticus was supposed to be an excellent compressor of both status and rebuff check and he just sucks on both fronts"

[marble portal]

Atticus I feel would be more fun if he had Toxic Chance

[uncut drum]

No she isn't. Especially for UBs

[snow spruce]

Maybe he just wanted a perfect steven/blue-tier Poison Support and thats why so dissapointed

[pearl pewter]

atticus doesn't seem to be beating the allegations...

[uncut drum]

Hilda has damage, downside up, healing

Mela has damage and evasion

[warm haven]

But yeah despite having a lot of checks he's not often good as the sole source of it

[uncut drum]

Both have status and debuffs

[dim lance]

idt he's that spoiled expecting that parallel from a fair

[river prawn]

when you put all of Leons UB gimmick checks on him alone sure it's not enough, but I would value him in a team. I mean how many supports compress all Leons gimmicks, none

[dim lance]

if he had toxic chance I feel a lot of the concerns themselves would not be there

or if his grid just isn't bad

[uncut drum]

10/5 Hilda is miles above Mela

[low coral]

It may not be Downside Up, but Mela can unlock Impervious

[marble portal]

Leon I still can’t beat

good gravy that stage is annoying

[uncut drum]

Her Impervious thing is cringe to unlock, and not useful in UBs

[bright python]

what team

[dim lance]

he fails at even checking one gimmick properly, let alone two

is his issue

[low coral]

?

[snow spruce]

Somehow I think the eventual much awaited Dragon Zone Support will not live up to expectations

[low coral]

You just need to use the B

[marble portal]

if you’re talking to me I don’t even think I have enough units for this

no NC Blue hurts for sure

or rats

[stable storm]

1.at 5/5, yes mela is equal or better than Hilda
2. 10/5 I only talked about damage. They stray off far enough at 10/5 to not be comparable

3. Hilda is better at lg yeh

[bright python]

probably think it takes too long

[river prawn]

I mean if expectations are like this, surely not

[low coral]

If you really need it, just use the B early - it's not like Mela needs the B Move damage itself to outdamage Hilda

[marble portal]

my damage dealer for Leon would have to be SS Piers

[bright python]

i won't say because i dont mela

[uncut drum]

Yeah but in the one boss it matters it requires 2 use and you also probably buff first

[dim lance]

Also, here's another funny follow up from him

[uncut drum]

It's much slower

[dim lance]

"he'll have his time with a debuffing poison arc suit, until then, he's w/e"

[uncut drum]

How is she better than Hilda at 5/5

[low coral]

Maybe, but Mela's turning the debuffs into buffs

[stable storm]

mela has speed debuffs and special attack and sp def debuffs (rarer than Hilda's debuffs) and higher damage

[pearl pewter]

w/e?

[low coral]

So it's better than the characters that simply unlock Impervious later too

[dim lance]

whatever

[bright python]

mela vs nita lfg

[snow spruce]

unless the poison arc is a support..

[marble portal]

is Atticus the most disappointing unit lately or something

[stable storm]

what does hilda do better at 5/5

[pearl pewter]

yeah i am not up to date with the gen alpha slang

[pearl pewter]

i'd wait and see

[dim lance]

just highly controversial

[river prawn]

definitely not

[bright python]

don't be

we don't need you saying the s word

[dim lance]

people here here him, others hate him

[marble portal]

or does this guy just not like Team Star

[uncut drum]

I mean I guess that's a fine argument for it, but Hilda does a lot more than debuffs

[pearl pewter]

he seems like a relatively generic support with some gimmick checks

[dim lance]

Oh wow, this hurts even more

[pearl pewter]

not something that my wallet can afford anyway so

[marble portal]

the damage reduction from super effective looks cool tho

[dim lance]

"he only really has use in high score and CS blitz"

that tosakinto calls him reduced to CS bltiz

is really yabe

lol

[pearl pewter]

what did he say about milo and greta

[uncut drum]

Oof if that's rough

[bright python]

that's too low hanging fruit though

[pearl pewter]

i don't see poma lounge shitting on atticus the moment he got datamined

[river prawn]

because he is not bad

[pearl pewter]

most people seem neutral towards him

[bright python]

because no one cares about him honestly except melissa

[calm sand]

I thought Atticus looks neat

[low coral]

I actually think Hilda's biggest advantage over Mela is being physical

[uncut drum]

Considering Greta can check many UB gimmicks, she really isn't that bad. With Arc Steven + Cynthia she did at least 11 I think

She's unironically great for Nita if you use her right

[low coral]

Rather than something on her own, it's more so tbe enviroment

[stable storm]

her healing is better yes but for fire specifically I feel it's only very relevant in lg. Her burning is better but I feel like mela does it enough if you want her to

[pearl pewter]

ok let's actually go over atticus's kit

defensively he reduces damage from SE moves which is rarely useful

has potions which alot of other better supports also have

[uncut drum]

For UBs Mela sucks cause her gimmick is evasion and they never miss. In gauntlet Hilda is still better

[dim lance]

Also you have to consider that there is also the full clear paradigm

[stable storm]

rare to see yabe outside hololive sphere

[pearl pewter]

has impervious for morgan

[stable storm]

? evasion is merely something she has

[paper mural]

I thought its actually quite useful coz you can save some potions.

[stable storm]

she isn't built around evasion

[dim lance]

in the sense that people enjoy Milo because he can do stuff in a single comp even though he's not optimal when his specific terrain or speed checks are not needed

[stable storm]

and doesn't have anything important locked behind dodging moves

[pearl pewter]

highly dependent on what you are using for the clear

[dim lance]

Milo is good in the context of 10/5 and the full clear

[pearl pewter]

b move has no MPR so thats +4 to both defenses

[dim lance]

without the specific checks, idt you want to say Milo is good vs Eve/Morg/Anabel

etc

[pearl pewter]

it might look mediocre but honestly i don't think it's all that bad all things considered

[uncut drum]

If someone need 10/5 to function, they aren't good

[river prawn]

Because he isn't bad, nowhere near lol

[paper mural]

Yeah but when Ice and Ground are some of the most seen weakness and the opponets love spamming Blizzard and Earthquake.

[stable storm]

ehhhh

[river prawn]

Like you are talking Penny, SS Kris support level

top of S+

[pearl pewter]

at 10/5 atticus has team vigilance and condition nullification on poison DF

good for those staggering 9 EBEs

[dim lance]

investment is somewhat separate from appraisal, but from a perspective of finite resource

it makes sense

[uncut drum]

Yeah but if he needs 10/5 to be good then he isn't good

[pearl pewter]

yep

[river prawn]

he doesnt need 10/5 to be good

[snow spruce]

Milo isnt too bad even outside Nemona and Nita
he has Sprint, status immune (for leon), max guard and a lot of PMUNs. And some mini-pots
even the DC9 on razor leaf helps a bit on Noland/Palmer etc.

[paper mural]

That Milo/ALeon/Avery v Morgan seems very painful tbh

[dim lance]

Milo is a very painful frontline in general

and is very reliant on his double DG trick

to stay alive

[uncut drum]

I don't like Milo's kit at all

[dim lance]

he mostly has speed to compensate

Milo is just another brand of highly polarized supports where you either adore him or despise him based on the content in question

[uncut drum]

And since he needs 10/5 to become good, he isn't good

[paper mural]

I like Milo but not in ub

[warm haven]

i think ontype milo is heavily underrated

[dim lance]

NY Raihan is this month's flavor of support

where depending on the content you either love him or think he's horrid

[snow spruce]

idk, I think if you have atk/spatk debuffs then 10/5 Milo doesnt have any particular trouble tanking. At least mine didnt
he has FA4 too which helps
But only with atk/spatk debuffs ofc.

[warm haven]

he's like chase levels of buffing while having actual defensive capabilities

[river prawn]

yeah cant say Atticus is controversial in the month with NY Raihan

[paper mural]

NY Raihan seems so conflict to me.
I mean does he really want to be attacked or dodged.

[stable storm]

I would say it's a downside rather than saying the unit is straight up not good

[dim lance]

erm, chase isnt known for his buff speed, fwiw

[dim lance]

I mean, it's kinda reverse direction also, right

Raihan is a gauntlet war criminal that needs external babysitting for other content

[uncut drum]

Realistically, most people will never get him to 10/5

[dim lance]

Atticus has a "better" UB matchup

and a much worse LG one

etc

[warm haven]

Raihan is like the opposite of atticus

[uncut drum]

It's a huge invesment

[stable storm]

milo or atticus?

[uncut drum]

Both

[warm haven]

he has 0 defensive profile but he's a gimmick check monster

[river prawn]

Why is Atticus much worse on gauntlet, just because he cant solo all?

[stable storm]

10/5 is for people who want to make their favourites good

[warm haven]

having perfect consistency on WTZ, status and debuffs

[dim lance]

look at his grid

and you'll understand

his grid is just far too expensive overall

[pearl pewter]

ny raihan has on demand sand, evasion and healing

as well as status conditions and aggressive debuffing

[stable storm]

only their fans will use them seriously and the fans are generally willing to 10/5 so enough people will have it for it to be considered as a relevant part of the kit

[stable storm]

isn't that what most potion units go through tbf?

[dim lance]

It's really just a paradigm difference, but yeah, most units require some degree of investment, and that variance can matter

[dim lance]

his is much, much, MUCH worse

[paper mural]

Atticus grid is taking sync poison df and df extension and you dont have much energy left.

[dim lance]

and I'm not even exaggerating

he is less stressed for decisions compositionally

individually

...yeah

[stable storm]

that's true

[river prawn]

honestly I would avoid df things when you dont need it

for what, 20% additive multiplier

[dim lance]

DF is useless unless you have to reset poison

[wary hemlock]

can mela even clear any ultimate

[dim lance]

of which he's a horrible unit at doing so anyway

or 10/5

[pearl pewter]

atticus only has one poison damage field on entry tho

[low coral]

I still kinda disagree on that, it's kinda worse in practice

[dim lance]

where most of the other benefits are

[wary hemlock]

her defence debuff really just sucks in ultimate

[pearl pewter]

once that runs out his b move is locked so you have to use it fast

[low coral]

Since he's not really someone you want to bring on some of those stages despite supposedly having the check

[dim lance]

Well, it becomes a can vs should argument, but none of the units this batch are shoulds

not even poppy, because Lillie exists

[wary hemlock]

they should just put enlightenment 9 for her grid instead

defence debuff is just brutal

[low coral]

It's more so on the part of being a monster at it

[warm haven]

it's only nita where he's not that good

[dim lance]

consistency is still there, it's mostly because he only does that and incurs a cost

that it's not worthwhile

debuffs are the issue

[low coral]

You don't really bring him to Palmer or Noland either

[dim lance]

sand and paralysis, not so much

also, at the very least he at least addresses his checks well enough

rather than half assing them

except ofc, debuffs

[stable storm]

a lot, depends on the comp and investment

[warm haven]

-6 sync cd, both defenses debuffs isnt good for palmer?

[stable storm]

wouldn't matter either way tbh

[warm haven]

also max guard and debuffs for noland too

[dim lance]

idt he races the debuff clock fast enough, does he?

though I could be wrong

[low coral]

Not really

[dim lance]

Raihan is not a blitz pair despite his ramp opener, so Palmer isn't supposed to be his playground

[wary hemlock]

the debuff is brutal tho

in ultimate

[stable storm]

doesn't raihan get murdered by morgan

[wary hemlock]

aoe is pretty common

[low coral]

Especially as -3 of those is just the Sup/Sprint EX combo, but that's quite a lot more common now on pairs that will generally allow you to skip your DDs setup better

[stable storm]

you don't focus on it?

you can click the b move 2 times in a row

no need to max the b move

[dim lance]

he has, funnily enough, done Morgan

[wary hemlock]

lol isnt that her whole point for b move maximised dmg

[stable storm]

regular dps is already high enough

[dim lance]

the issue with UB NY Raihan is that well, the babysit argument

[wary hemlock]

without debuff?

[dim lance]

which while is not necessarily a bad thing

a support that relies on another support to function is probably not as good as one that is more independent

but take that with a grain of salt

[stable storm]

what comp?

[dim lance]

Iono NC Blue

lol

[low coral]

He's weak to Water, not Ice

[stable storm]

no

??how is that relevant to morgan

[low coral]

Oh wait, nvm, I'm thinking of Dana lol

[warm haven]

He checks more things than most techs

just imagine he's a tech with no damage, just like anni raihan

you wouldnt tank with anni raihan either

[stable storm]

it's too slow to set up and not worth it. It's better for her to immediately click 2 b moves in a row (the first one at -3 defenses) and then do regular armour canon and sync dps

[low coral]

Yeah, he did it on the same slot that Argenta did Morgan

[dim lance]

The only UB's he's not shown his face yet afaik are uhh

Nemona

Nita

and Palmre?

[stable storm]

that does not sound very appealing if you put it that way tbh

[dim lance]

not Thorton either

[stable storm]

didn't triple support do thort

[dim lance]

Noland*

oops

[warm haven]

it's really good to have in UBs

[dim lance]

It's just a different style of play

since

Raihan comps inherently are turtle comps

that play slow with sand chip

[warm haven]

you just bring a good DD and raihan can take care of most checks

[stable storm]

yes but putting him that way makes him sound unappealing

[dim lance]

Well, he is not the most appealing in those contexts

fwiw

because he only offers the checks while incurring a heavy cost to it

he does contribute with paralysis healing pings, sure

and a max guard

but it's also the byproduct of the comp being slower

[stable storm]

what ub do ya all hate the most? masked royale for me

[dim lance]

Nita

[gentle wharf]

Palmer and Leon for me

[dim lance]

Nemona is also bad, but I feel Nita is harder to address

than nemona

[fervent mulch]

Thorton

[stable storm]

I get Leon but why palmer

[fervent mulch]

Really? I found Nita pretty easy

[pearl pewter]

i hate palmer and MR the most

everything else i was able to do in an hour or two since i knew what team to use

i still don't have anything to kill palmer in time or apply status to MR reliably

[stable storm]

what's wrong with palmer

[pearl pewter]

tried poppy, tried 4/5 ASC

only got him to like below half

[stable storm]

who was the second dps

I don't mind palmer

I think he's on the easier end actually

[warm haven]

Nemona is the worst for me

[pearl pewter]

that's the thing, i didn't have a second DPS

[warm haven]

Nita is hard but is so satisfying to beat her

[pearl pewter]

since everything else was just not worth bringing

[stable storm]

there are a lot more teams that clear palmer than most other ubs

[fervent mulch]

I found her easier than thorton 😭

[pearl pewter]

tried chase for sync accel and tried giving up the supp sync for more damage from ASC

didn't work

[stable storm]

palmer can also be done with 1 low investment unit quite often

[warm haven]

Beating those fat sides of nemona is just pain

[warm haven]

How

[stable storm]

she's way more painful off type

on type she's easy yes

fighting her off type is ass

[warm haven]

Not that easy if you don't use NC red

[stable storm]

I was talking about nemo

[pearl pewter]

on type palmer needs at least 1 of 3 units that i conveniently have none of (nc bianca, nc hop, rei)

[warm haven]

Ah

[stable storm]

I read that as nemo not nita

[pearl pewter]

but i think i can make an off type work if i give asc 5/5... hmmm

[stable storm]

off typing him ain't hard

[pearl pewter]

but who should be the second DPS

[warm haven]

Offtype nemona IS the worst UB

[stable storm]

you don't need 5/5 ASC for palmer

[stable storm]

do you have ASS

[pearl pewter]

i had 3/5 EXR lear for nemona so she was fine

[pearl pewter]

yeah 1/5

[warm haven]

Nah, now you have a milo + SC Steven + Riley

[fervent mulch]

Idk my fire and off type options for him were miserable