1 use only tho
#Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles
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that's all needed
as long as you kill the side it doesn't set weather again
it will only reset after dana is down
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The only thing that stops AS Cynthia is if she's below 5/5
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And Rose excels at KOing sides
dim lance
I'll probably make a how2Rose video soon, superawakening style
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When Raihan gains max move?
pearl pewter
never
warm haven
after all types are covered we'll get UB gauntlet 
pearl pewter
he is still a standalone example
pearl pewter
after all types are covered we'll get UB gauntlet <:MinaBreak:110328673076276030...
pls no
raihan has gotten reruns before without anything added to him
snow spruce
UB gauntlet is too much
but UB super sparring, sure
or even UB stadium
valid raft
If AS Cynthia is below 5/5, then there's no chance of her clearing Dana
fast pendant
sure there is
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~~I'll probably make a how2Rose video soon, superawakening style~~
use dana as an example battle pls
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you jsut need one single extra use of zone, which other unit can bring
low coral
use dana as an example battle pls
Rion has done even more with Rose already
low coral
Dana actually would show less of Rose simply because of how hard he counters her
warm haven
they could do like Argenta, Lucy, Nita and it would be fine
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Show rose dominate a hard ub
dim lance
but I only showed the Eve video
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because it would be fun
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and that was pre-SA
pearl pewter
in a UB gauntlet the maximum streak would be somewhere around 12-15
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Ebes =/= ubs. Ebes are like the current Ethan one with region (& sometimes type) boost, or like Pasio Subway few months ago with no boost but a lot of mission requirements.
pearl pewter
if the UBs are all easy
dim lance
I've done MR too
sturdy egret
Ebes =/= ubs. Ebes are like the current Ethan one with region (& sometimes type)...
oh whoops lol
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Aside from dana, a Nita rose clear could be interesting
pearl pewter
if the gauntlet lineup is something like Dana nemona and Anabel the max streak would be in the single digits
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which is kinda cheating
when a f2p unit is cheating....
pearl pewter
obviously very unfun
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I still feel like Argenta is made for Dana, it's just that she's the 4th wheel
dim lance
but yeah, Nita Rose is a good challenge I'll try
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she's more like a bolt
pearl pewter
is this UB impervious or die or can I get away with just acuity
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her acc buffs are just simply not enough there, the sides reduce every hit, she cannot keep up
low coral
What would make Argenta a wheel for Dana besides infinite accuracy?
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and outside of that she doesn't really do much
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her acc buffs are just simply not enough there, the sides reduce every hit, she ...
It's +2 per SD, so I think she can keep up
But beyond that
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-4 on entry and -2 per hit, so she would need to be doing that all the time
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bedazzle 2 per side
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The one that Dana is clearly made for is 100% Rose. Arc Steven + Rose + NY Poppy I assume.
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Argenta has Vigilance so you can grid her for Acuity
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-1 per hit, -4 on entry
Double Drop
pearl pewter
that’s a tall order if you don’t have acuity
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-all everything per hit
with double drop and aoe
make impervious more relevant
fuck other types trying to clear
pearl pewter
diabolical
valid raft
fuck other types trying to clear
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steel got really lucky dana is the steel weak one
low coral
Not really
snow spruce
Argenta only has +2 SpDef buffs for the team, she isnt great on Dana, who is mostly Special
well, she isnt really a great UB main tank in general
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diabolical
I loved Morgan but she didn't have enough other stuff
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As long as you bring everyone that can't miss and there's no issue.
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The battle is already made for Steel-types
pearl pewter
I for sure don’t want UBs to be even harder
low coral
Being super effective is not what makes Steel strong there by itself
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I doubt ASS, SS Lear, sillie steel would be able to do dana if she wasn't steel weak
low coral
That's like saying Ice is lucky for Nita being Ice-weak, the Ice-types would continue to be top choices since the battle is made for their kit
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I am talking about the popular steel comp
pearl pewter
I doubt ASS, SS Lear, sillie steel would be able to do dana if she wasn't steel ...
the whole point of not making Dana fully weak to steel is to prevent this team from making it too easy
they learnt their lesson from Leon
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idk why they chose rose to showcase
fast pendant
it has always been some random units
valid raft
it has always been some random units
Yeah, like SS Brendan and Alt. Leon for Morgan
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fair tho steel had so many cool options
fast pendant
so did dragon
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like ss Lear
shrewd marten
So did every type realistically
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Bt Leon was cool
shrewd marten
Electric could’ve been alooot of units not just the rat
fast pendant
Diantha is much better vs Dana than she was vs Darach
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the whole point of not making Dana fully weak to steel is to prevent this team f...
Not really. The rock weak side has 1/2 hp of the steel weak side.
Considering SE deal 2x dmg they're essentailly the same hp if hit by steel attacks.
valid raft
I feel like SC Steven will have fun here
pearl pewter
Electric could’ve been alooot of units not just the rat
but it ended up being the rats
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Especially you have to use his B Move at certain times
pearl pewter
Not really. The rock weak side has 1/2 hp of the steel weak side.
Considering SE...
wait I thought both sides were rock weak
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they are
pearl pewter
ah
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Tbf wasn't anabel designed around v lyra
shrewd marten
Why is diantha better here than darach tho
fast pendant
Anabel was Serena + Kris
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where rain...?
shrewd marten
Not the variety
snow spruce
wait, the 500k hp side on Dana is Rock-weak ? or Steel weak ?
stable storm
oh wait v lyra has rain on sync only
shrewd marten
I’m pretty sure vlyra herself needs help to keep up with debuffs because they are spammed
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not entry
pearl pewter
anabel was clearly made for Archie trust
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TRUEEEEE
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wait, the 500k hp side on Dana is Rock-weak ? or Steel weak ?
The doc says the higher hp one is still steel weak.
pearl pewter
which side had hail again
pearl pewter
true
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which side had hail again
abamasnow sets hail
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Dana is either made for Rose or superawakened Raihan
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No it's coz they know Steel is the new meta so they're not afraid of making her fat.
low coral
why is Dana so fat
Because she's the latest UB
valid raft
Because she's the latest UB
Tell that to Anabel
pearl pewter
there’s still 2 more left until we finish all 17 types
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On the other hand when Lucy was out Ground is so miserable so they made her easy.
pearl pewter
hope they don’t make them even fatter
stable storm
weren't the other recent ubs not nearly as fat
low coral
Anabel is the opposite case, they didn't have much to go in terms of balancing
pearl pewter
On the other hand when Lucy was out Ground is so miserable so they made her easy...
what did ground have at the time
gioking?
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morgan was only 530k iirc
low coral
So she did release too strong for her time, hence following UBs being easier until quite a lot later
pearl pewter
So she did release too strong for her time, hence following UBs being easier unt...
and the units designed for the UBs being weaker in general
low coral
Because Morgan, Nemona, and Masked are ultra restrictive on their gimmicks
pearl pewter
like argenta, you can leave psychic terrain up and still be fine
low coral
Which also leads to battle just not being as fun, on my view
Since it's more polarized
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I forgot pt was even a gimmick for argenta
fast pendant
not all battles are equally strong
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what did ground have at the time
The best Ground dd at the time was H Roxanne.
valid raft
I forgot pt was even a gimmick for argenta
It was made for SS Acerola, but even she seems overkill
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tho morgan is hilarious so she gets a pass
fast pendant
lucy didn't need to be as weak at the time
but some are weaker than others, that's fine
pearl pewter
UBs were always “have this meta unit or lose”, the recent ones were just stressing this point more
valid raft
lucy didn't need to be as weak at the time
Because poison
pearl pewter
and so they were harder
valid raft
Poison alone is a gimmick
low coral
UBs were always “have this meta unit or lose”, the recent ones were just stressi...
I wouldn't say that's really that
fast pendant
poison is countered by one LS
low coral
Recent UBs are much more so specific
valid raft
poison is countered by one LS
That's what I mean
low coral
Rather than directly powerful
Nemona isn't really hard for a Psychic team
But much worse than other battles without
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where would ya all rate morgan and Evelyn among ubs
pearl pewter
right
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the other 2 sisters are already on the top of the list for most
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At least Ghost ub won't be hard coz the current ghost teams are still not meta enough.
pearl pewter
I actually got away with using Karen for Evelyn
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they could make ghost super hard if they wanna torture us
pearl pewter
honestly shocked that I did
fast pendant
I find Morgan pretty weak
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they could make ghost super hard if they wanna torture us
Ghost made for SS Ingo
pearl pewter
what is bug even gonna be
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whatever bug arc in half anni is
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Pretty nightmarish without stat reduction defense, a lot tamer with
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what is bug even gonna be
Red/Espeon
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Morgan is basically just have Impervious I think
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The difficulty of Bug ub needs to consider is Arc bug introduced before or after.
low coral
Morgan is basically just have Impervious I think
You still needs some debuffs
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Morgan is basically just have Impervious I think
You also need defensive debuffers
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But having Impervious is halfway there
calm sand
oh yea that too
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Which is why I said it's made for SS Brendan and Alt. Leon
dim lance
there was a lag
so I removed it because my comment was no longer relevant to the convo
low coral
Like, defeating Nemona is easier than defeating Thorton in a vacuum, but the variety Nemona allows in building is much less
So it kinda gets boring
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what about palmer
dim lance
sorry
stable storm
your rose comment still made sense tbh
valid raft
Nemona would be easy if it weren't for that damned negative status change cure on sync
valid raft
That also includes rebuff
low coral
Morgan is a case where you don't really bring one counter
pearl pewter
Morgan loses a lot of power when you have impervious
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Palmer feels extremely easy nowadays
low coral
You just bring a whole prepared team
pearl pewter
but the sides still need you to drop defenses
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A lot of ub need 2 counters instead of 1.
pearl pewter
yeah
low coral
Morgan tends to want that third to be immune too, but it can be dealt with to have one vulnerable unit
pearl pewter
NY poppy would need to control her zone very carefully for Dana since the third zone is tied to berry which is used when ny poppy attacks
so you only get 2 hits off before the third would automatically pop your zone
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I feel like Palmer is the only one where it's made for 1 unit specifically
pearl pewter
3 if you have the sync burst tile
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Rose counters 3 things (weather, piercing gaze, rock weak side) at once is alr a proof he's one of the intended unit.
fast pendant
it's only 80% so that's fine
pearl pewter
I feel like Palmer is the only one where it's made for 1 unit specifically
yeah 
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3rd would be her own sync
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Others are 2 or full team
pearl pewter
until we get a better fighting strike that is
low coral
You can run Selene if you're that worried about Poppy's Zone control, but Poppy's a lot better in everything else
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until we get a better fighting strike that is
Palmer is made for sprint units
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Well, Hop is also strong for Palmer
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It's like Irida can't fully counter Nita by her own, but she counters so many thing ppl view her as a must.
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It's like Irida can't fully counter Nita by her own, but she counters so many th...
She does counter fully on her own
But she's not a proper damage dealer
That's why Nita is also made for NC Red
low coral
That and Irida generally appreciates having at least one stun
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Probably the first and only UB to be made for a pure damage dealer unit without gimmick counter (yes, I exclude the rebuff)
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She does counter fully on her own
1 speed debuff per turn is NOT enough. Yes she needs another speed debuffer or stun unit.
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1 speed debuff per turn is NOT enough. Yes she needs another speed debuffer or s...
NC Red takes care of the sides
And he can freeze, which is also made for NC Red due to Nita not having immunity to disabling statuses
And I still exclude his freeze as a counter
low coral
Palmer is also made for Rei really just for damage
The sync acceleration is just a tool for damage there
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Palmer is also made for Rei really just for damage
No, because Rei is sprint too
Palmer is attuned for sprint units
low coral
It's not like Palmer is weak to you having sync buffs or something
low coral
Field units don't tend to be that good vs Darach lol
A lot of them actually lack the uptime
Or just lack the damage too, since Darach wants you to have some answer to regen
fast pendant
name a more iconic duo than field units and having extremely bad uptime
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A lot of them actually lack the uptime
that felt sad to read
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name a more iconic duo than field units and having extremely bad uptime
Field EXR Techs having much better uptime
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name a more iconic duo than field units and having extremely bad uptime
Anni Steven clearing 2 weather UBs and is still a bad unit
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Anni Steven clearing 2 weather UBs and is still a bad unit
Anni Steven vs Egg Lapras is the true clash of the titans
stable storm
name a more iconic duo than field units and having extremely bad uptime
the community and desire for eos
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name a more iconic duo than field units and having extremely bad uptime
Also AS Duo not clearing all UBs
marble portal
feel that pain with SS Diantha and Darach
even the field sync doesn’t last long cuz B Diamond Storm takes so long
stable storm
simply fish for mpr?
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even the field sync doesn’t last long cuz B Diamond Storm takes so long
Not unless you have 5/5
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3 here
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Anni Steven clearing 2 weather UBs and is still a bad unit
My uncle who works in Dena told me Anni Steven will become meta relevant with his super busted 5/5 grid, exr and SA passive!
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Is this correct?
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Argenta is just not good in Dana. If you consider Arc Steven a counter there's no room for Argenta imo.
marble portal
Noland should have Lana in for Wide Guard.
Evelyn could also add 3/5 Volo; debuffs both attacks, a third stat, and 50% for a 4th with cookie
if you’re looking for more, Courtney is a good counter to Lucy with nuke and debuff
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Argenta is just not good in Dana. If you consider Arc Steven a counter there's n...
It really depends on what you have
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if you’re looking for more, Courtney is a good counter to Lucy with nuke and deb...
This is fair
marble portal
….not that the speed part is much of a concern since you can brute force past that
also might be a stretch but
SS Giovanni for Lucy with Antitoxin in grid
thus freeing his lucky skill slot
is SS N valid for Nita or not rly
cuz he demolished her with Oleana debuffs and SS Morty weather
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UBs don't really care what you have. They care more about what you need to pull to beat them.
marble portal
side note: Oleana does well for UBs in general with stat debuffs, with several stages needing some of those
there’s some obvious ones like Lucy and MR, but she does well for harder ones like Nita and Giovanni
calm sand
there's not so many units that can do AoE -3 debuffs on atk/sp.atk/speed
low coral
Is this correct?
Lear doesn't really have anything special for Nemona compared to other Psychic damage dealers
If anything, the Psychic damage dealer for Nemona would be LuSSa
valid raft
Lear doesn't really have anything special for Nemona compared to other Psychic d...
Lear is tech/strike and he kinda counter the speed steal too
And he has Soften Up too
low coral
Nemona is a stage where everyone has nearly the same HP
It's the very rare case where LuSSa is the best performing Psychic
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And you don't think Lear's EXR will perform?
low coral
Idt it won't perform, just nothing really different from the usual, like SS Steven
valid raft
The only thing that LuSSa has over Lear is better AoE DPS and support EXR
low coral
Well, yeah, and this is a stage that wants AoE
marble portal
there's not so many units that can do AoE -3 debuffs on atk/sp.atk/speed
yeah, and it rly helps out a ton
valid raft
Which is why Lear is the main nuker along with SS Lana who counters the ET and does AoE damage with her sync move and B Move
low coral
Again, it's the rare stage where LuSSa is the best performing Strike
marble portal
Oleana deleting Giovanni’s buffs quickly is funny
low coral
There's really nothing to indicate Lear would be the intended damage dealer
Over LuSSa or SS Steven
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even then barely lasts long enough for the stage
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There's really nothing to indicate Lear would be the intended damage dealer
Just like how some people thought before that Irida would be the standalone counter and damage dealer to Nita when NC Red is the true main damage dealer for her?
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I don't know anyone that though that lol
but Red isn't the only possible dmg dealer, his role there is very replacable, even 'tho he's the best at it
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can confirm, demolished Nita with SS N
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can confirm, demolished Nita with SS N
Carried by B Move
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Freeze Shock’d the first endurance and sync went to the second barrier
spiral summit
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and set up status with Oleana
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SS N B Move is not enough for even neutral speed, he does -2 every 3 turns
he helps, but he's not the gimmick check by himself
valid raft
Oh yeah, forgetting that Lear can also help against the defense debuffing that Nemona does
fast pendant
that doesn't help on anything
valid raft
Even if Rosa does buff both defensive stats, it's just a measure to prevent your team from easily dying
fast pendant
are you talking about his one use of stat dfense
valid raft
MPR technically, although redundant since you have a net gain from Rosa alone
low coral
I think that's just confusing good unit and intended unit
Similar to Dana, the two units I would solidly call intended are Rose and Poppy
The other Steels are just that, good Steels
valid raft
Even pure damage dealers are intended units
low coral
But it's not a battle specifically made for you to use Lillie 24, for example
Yes, but Lear is not even the clear best there
fast pendant
which is the case of SS Lusamine there
the reason for the sides having the same hp of center and the sides being more punishing if you kill center first
is that you want full on aoe dmg
equally distributed
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SS N B Move is not enough for even neutral speed, he does -2 every 3 turns
yeah, hence why Oleana was there
SS N doesn’t rly feel like a gimmick check, just a massive damage dealer
fast pendant
for sure
saying N is carried by his b move when is still one of the weakest out there is crazy
fast pendant
she is
marble portal
did get lucky with the second Sunny Day usage
low coral
No one can get -3 AoE, especially repeated, so as long the enemy can be statused, yeah
marble portal
where 2 turns did the 80 and 40 endurances or wherever those are
low coral
Even more so when her Speed debuffs is not even fully dedicated to debuffing Speed, unlike something like Cotton Spore
marble portal
She drops 9 stats in one go which is crazy
for me with UBs Oleana is a very reliable 2 slot with the offensive debuffs
fast pendant
she has some very good gimmick checks
just unfortunate that she is very bad at reapplying poison
marble portal
and no Go Viral
don’t even think she’s got Hostile Environment
if there’s no status cure she’s quite valuable
works well enough 1/5 most cases
calm sand
She doesn't have HE
marble portal
I got her at 3 and my UB grid has Potent Toxin 2 for extra damage
calm sand
but I can see her being super helpful for my BR runs
marble portal
She’s been for me
my most valuable unit for BR is CyruSS
and that’s not likely to change soon
rotund oasis
Im going to be surprised if
We get sync pairs just not using ss mina with acuity .-.
fast pendant
what
low coral
We get sync pairs just not using ss mina with acuity .-.
Is that supposed to be for Dana?
low coral
I think there's going to be a lot
Mina is not a great check to the Zone, and a lot of teams will just bring their own Zone anyway
And if you just want weather, SS Morty is often the superior option
spiral summit
Ay 
low coral
Selene vs Evelyn?
fervent mulch
Bearhaps I was too harsh on you Elio
fervent mulch
Selenes sunc hits so hard for a strike I never believe my eyes
dim lance
Selene is elios main saviour
Elio still has very precarious issues keeping his allies alive
And benefits mostly from compounding circle stacking
dim lance
@warm haven
Tosakinne has successfully full cleared with Milo Avery arc leon
All 14
Video coming soon
dim lance
Milo is a pair that demands a lot of precision
He's probably a harder pair to play than Anabel lol
paper mural
Wow I predicted right! Milo all ubs clear potential.
warm haven
sadly they will be filtered by Dana 
warm haven
He's probably a harder pair to play than Anabel lol
But yeah, he's needs either help tanking or semi ramp teams
and does wonders with Max users
snow spruce
sadly they will be filtered by Dana <:AcerolaPensive:608464449141080084>
what being zoneless does to a team
snow spruce
they can probably make it, since SE lear sync nukes + Lillies PB can still be enough to get through
warm haven
yeah despite being ontype it's not gonna be easy with hail up
spiral summit
golden steppe
SS Misty the true mvp
spiral summit
I missed cal, let Elio’s Circle ruined my quad queue
So lucky Misty there saved the day with nat crit
frozen meteor
So lucky Misty there saved the day with nat crit
Lmfao
acoustic needle
i can't seem to beat masked royal ultimate battle?
i'm following the setup in the doc but can only get to 45% on center and sides.
not sure why my runs aren't working
snow spruce
is weather healing 1 = 6% heal or 6.5% ?
I'm trying to calculate how much does Dana heal with Healing Hail 2
if its 6.5% for 1, then 2 - 13%
so 13% x 943 250 = 122k+ heal every action
sour elk
Iirc Erika's Healing Sun 2 healed her for 12.5% per tick
snow spruce
so ~118k heals
formal matrix
That’s some Aaron heal order level of shit lol
kindred light
Anyone have any good defensive debuffers I could bring for Morgan? I could post what pairs I have
formal matrix
Sure post it here
acoustic needle
i'm following the setup in the doc but can only get to 45% on center and sides.
i'd also like to know what im doing wrong.
sour elk
Do you have any screen recording apps? Videos help a lot to see this kind of stuff
kindred light
i'd also like to know what im doing wrong.
Type gear likely why if I had to guess or not critting
That was the issue I had with Nemona’s UB
acoustic needle
Type gear likely why if I had to guess or not critting
they've been optimised
acoustic needle
Do you have any screen recording apps? Videos help a lot to see this kind of stu...
i can try to record a run, one moment
sour elk
You're missing a lot of dmg so I would guess maybe MR didn't have status for a stretch, damage against him falls off a cliff if he isn't afflicted by status at all times
acoustic needle
You're missing a lot of dmg so I would guess maybe MR didn't have status for a s...
status with this team is up all the time in theory right?
sour elk
Tripled defenses and crit immunity lol
sour elk
status with this team is up all the time in theory right?
They clear status in key moments and you need to re-apply asap
acoustic needle
yes but status is applied every turn with this team i thought
if not, it might just be an issue of RNG.
sour elk
Leaf has 50% if using Flare Blitz and not Leering, Blue has 45% per target
acoustic needle
in terms of debuffing, what does leer vs flare blitz drop?
sour elk
Red can have 50% on Thunder shock but it's thudnershock lol
Leer drops Atk/Sp.Atk/Def/Sp.def
Flareblitz doubles the debuffs that are already applied
So you can just do some 2 or 3 leers and amplify the debuffs from red and blue
sour elk
Considering you have both red and blue at 3/5, you're probably fine with just 1-2 leers, they debuff a lot already
acoustic needle
true
and then the pattern just repeats?
e.g leer > leer > blitz > leer > leer etc
sour elk
I think after the initial leers you can probably just hammer away with Flare Blitz, red and blue should bring enough debuffs for Leaf to keep them at -6 all stats even if they try to buff
acoustic needle
ah, i'll try that thank you !
sour elk
Having status up during the sync move should be the hardest part, Red's nuke is the main source of damage in that team so you definitely want it to do full damage
stable storm
stable storm
Tosakinne has successfully full cleared with Milo Avery arc leon
unfortunately dana will murder them
still great job tho
sour elk
https://youtu.be/3yZo6pHVQsE?si=y9Ir5vZYc-UaJcT5
wtf
Lol Raihan barely did anything
stable storm
Lol Raihan barely did anything
he was doing a lot
providing constant sandstorm for gio's field effect gimmick
and debuffs
kindred light
Anyone have the video for the ultimate masked royal battle for the team of oak and nidorino, Cynthia lucario, and 3/5 oleana? I saw it in the replay section in game the other day, but can’t find it to watch and check the timing for certain actions
I checked the clear docs and it’s not there either
sour elk
he was doing a lot
Ah right I forgot Gio called for a field, it just looked like Raihan sitting next to Blue and Iono to me lol
kindred light
I did and the closest one I can do is the ones with Roxie and oleanna but I need to give Roxie a tech candy first to get 3/3. which will have to wait for now and why I was curious to see if I could do it sooner
golden steppe
So close 
snow spruce
only just noticed that Danas sidemons have the passive to make team immune to status cond. under zone, hmm
dim lance
https://youtu.be/QmSEbfynrnU?si=WDCvFcNoLRX_8xWj
very good
I think outside of the very precarious frontline (but even then there are some good DRs and complements) Selene is just super strong now
paper mural
We need another duo team (no third) clearing at least half of the ubs.
pearl pewter
the fact that this can get both missions and still be considered F2P (EX flint)
won’t lie more people have SS red 1/5 from victory road than EX flint probably
snow spruce
We need another duo team (no third) clearing at least half of the ubs.
Just get another Arc Cynthia kit of a different type, ez (but still has weather too)
low coral
won’t lie more people have SS red 1/5 from victory road than EX flint probably
Idt that's a "probably" lol
I think pretty much every Poké Fair 1/5 is more popular than EX Flint
And SS Red is probably the most common PF to have in general
frozen meteor
the fact that this can get both missions and still be considered F2P (EX flint)
Gauge must have been bad
pearl pewter
barely enough to get the job done
frozen meteor
@pearl pewter why not givie lisia speedy entry 2
but
also
i see the vision
defog to make fire blast 100% accurate
smort
pearl pewter
i used defog to get rid of terrain
since F2P ET/PT users are mid
and you need to account for sentry entry
stable storm
https://youtu.be/ShalUZtfPF4?si=11jT3Wf1L7md9gOn
what do they have left
fast pendant
the hard ones
snow spruce
they can do Anabel, MR and probably can do Dana (with difficulty)
I dont see how they do Nemona and I would be surprised if they could do Morgan - Morgan with 0 Impervious pairs is actual hell
stable storm
they can do Anabel, MR and probably can do Dana (with difficulty)
I dont see how...
I was confused about dana until I remembered gio has 2 zones
rigid pivot
So whos Dana even meant for? Rose and what?
low coral
NY Poppy
paper mural
I bet with fully invested Arc Steven + Rose, A2Lillie prob can work even with 2 zones only.
fast pendant
you can probably skip 1st endurance without changing, yes
snow spruce
Use Move When Ice Zone: Team HP Recovery 9: Restores the HP of all allied sync pairs when the user uses a move while the zone is an Ice Zone
"when the user uses a move " - this applies to any move, even TMs? or not to TM?
^ just checked a random SS Morty video and yeah it looks like everything procs that kind of heal, even TMs and potions
mental jasper
pretty sure I remember my vHilbert healing the team off anything in his zone but I can double check, worst case is there are three pairs that have it so a myriad of testing options
snow spruce
watching teams fight Danas heals (if they cant replace both zone and weather) is gonna be interesting
~60k heals from the ice zone (and this heals sides too and works off any move, even TMs)
~120k heals from the hail (this one doesnt work from TMs at least IIRC)
and her resilience extension is 9, not 5
gentle wharf
Was Zone the one that needed to be used 3 times?
snow spruce
Yeah
gentle wharf
Tricky tricky
opaque dagger
So I noticed the stat mitigation on MR was different from the doc (it shows the regular 5 for all stats)
And then tested a bit more
Evelyn
Nita
Palmer (it shows him as 3 but not the sides)
And Thorton
I might've missed some
If anyone wanna double check
But these were what I found that weren't in the doc
opaque dagger
And Noland sides are also immune to para (btw I didn't test any other status/interferences)
stable storm
https://youtu.be/WHgGm9TZ_60?si=IYE7GowTBSGgxGkq
how many ubs could this team do lmao
sour elk
They could do Lucy, maybe Darach and Argenta too
stable storm
They could do Lucy, maybe Darach and Argenta too
definitely those 3
could this do palmer?
I think they get evelyn
maybe Noland
sour elk
I don't think they have nearly enough dmg to do Palmer
Or Noland
They have the debuffs for Evelyn but I thought that would be pushing it tbh
stable storm
They have the debuffs for Evelyn but I thought that would be pushing it tbh
why?
sour elk
I thought they wouldn't have the offensive pressure to win in time
but they did MR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgGm9TZ_60
so they can probably do Evelyn too
they did Anabel too wow
low coral
@spiral summit you got SS Lyra?
spiral summit
<@678792485534957583> you got SS Lyra?
Yes
low coral
I think you could manage Nemona with her third
She got the replacement for multiple Electric Terrains and guarantees confusion on hit
spiral summit
I’ll try it when i’m free 
stable tundra
spiral summit
What’s the first sped up song
fervent mulch
Oh I was wrong
golden steppe
This makes Nemona UB seem like a walk in the park
spiral summit
Actually i got about …. More than 10 times before success
That only counted on Selene lol
pliant cove
just did this, idk if this is in the list or not 
pearl pewter
don’t think so
snow spruce
Palmer duo?
spiral summit
dim lance
Nita?
spiral summit
Yeah, very gears depends
formal matrix
Nemona with e terrain?
spiral summit
snow spruce
I dont think they've done Anabel and Morgan yet
Anabel should be doable, but Morgan idk
stable storm
I dont think they've done Anabel and Morgan yet
Anabel should be doable, but Mor...
Morgan might be possible
warm haven
Nemona with e terrain?
confirmed Leon > Cynthia
stable storm
confirmed Leon > Cynthia <:MinaBreak:1103286730762760302>
Leon> NC red confirmed seriously tho
snow spruce
confirmed Leon > Cynthia <:MinaBreak:1103286730762760302>
but Leon cant do 15/15 
stable storm
fire gio should be ok for dana
snow spruce
Morgan might be possible
idk with this
Defense ↑: P-Move DR & S-Move DR 8: Reduces damage taken by the user from moves and sync moves when its Defense is raised
Sp. Def ↑: P-Move DR & S-Move DR 8: Reduces damage taken by the user from moves and sync moves when its Sp. Def is raised
stable storm
can't leaf handle that
snow spruce
with only -1 debuffs per turn ? nah
stable storm
Leon also debuffs sp def
warm haven
leaf also doubles the lowered stats with her bmove
snow spruce
the stats will never be negative for her to double
the leech is insane when no one has Impervious
stable storm
How does gio take all interact with morgan
formal matrix
Morgan is done tho
stable storm
can't gio force them to leech only him
stable storm
Morgan is done tho
LOL
snow spruce
I need to see how thats possible lol
stable storm
@snow spruce morgan isn't very hard tbh
warm haven
but Leon cant do 15/15 <:CynthiaSmug:601614489783238669>
this aged bad
Dana should be really easy too
stable storm
did this even age
stable storm
Morgan is done tho
is this the first imperv less dana
stable storm
I need to see how thats possible lol
gio ate all the debuffs
snow spruce
Did coreen do all of those?
formal matrix
let the Leon > nc red agenda be pushed
dim lance
Nemona with e terrain?
Oh, that's 100% korin lol
snow spruce
is that team on Anabels in-game clear list too?
formal matrix
No
snow spruce
Korin will def post these on YT soon.
But I would expect Anabel to be even easier than Nemona
stable storm
I think gio is 100% nc rosa level at least personally
snow spruce
unless the lack of flinch hurts the sun Anabel clear that much
warm haven
I think gio is 100% nc rosa level at least personally
For me he's now better than her
But still below NC blue
stable storm
For me he's now better than her
I am a rosa fan so I wanna keep on coping that he isn't
was this the most unexpected 15/15?
formal matrix
Arc Leon, arc Cynthia, arc Steven doing war crimes in UB; arc Lance 
stable storm
SS Lear and Arc Leon kinda doing similar stuff in ubs
being such strong bruteforce units they enable crazy clears
paper mural
They can make another dragon arc but more supporting role to help arc Lance.
calm sand
or just a Dragon unit in general for that role
but tbf Dragon is a type I feel is a bit in the sidelines last year
paper mural
Dragon is the type that the dev just dont like to make good support.
Even ground is getting better supports than dragon now.
river prawn
forgot the best one, SS Brendan
but none of them have traits specific for dragon types
all are general supports
pearl pewter
NY clair is a great check to WTZ stages on paper
but she does too little of anything else to be worth
gentle wharf
Damn wasn’t expecting Arc Leon NC Leaf Giolord core to be that good
exotic dome
Morgan is done tho
Gio is insane in UBs tbh
Im going in on Dana with him + arc Cynthia and still have to pick a 3rd
Probably a random mix Lucas
fervent mulch
Was it known that ArcLeon and SsLeaf got Nemona too wth
fervent mulch
Nemona with e terrain?
Oh there it is
shrewd marten
That’s insane
How many teams beat nemona under terrain
I dun see arc cynthia with e terrain(although I didn’t check the sheet so someone probably did it there kek)
dim lance
Korin has done Gio/Noland/Leon
with SSAGio/Leaf/Leon
and he's also done Nemona
if he fsr does Morg and Eve he gets it all, I think
stable storm
if he fsr does Morg and Eve he gets it all, I think
morg and eve were already done
check the replays
in game
dim lance
then he's gotten it all, I think
stable storm
then he's gotten it all, I think
I remember someone saying morg was impossible for that team then the clear popping up in game replays 5 minutes after
was hilarious
warm haven
then he's gotten it all, I think
Is there a video/replay of Anabel?
That ofc is easier than terrain nemona but I haven't seen it yet
fervent mulch
I feel like I have but not with Gio
snow spruce
then he's gotten it all, I think
not Anabel yet, but Anabel should be easier to do then Nemona
snow spruce
yeah i know, but not Anabel
Anabel isnt in the replays for that specific team
the Leon-Avery-Milo team is also everywhere in the replays atm
dim lance
the Leon-Avery-Milo team is also everywhere in the replays atm
tosakinto already confirmed everything
fwiw
he's just waiting to finish the vid
snow spruce
yeah that team is already 14/14. Though they probably wont beat Dana
while the Fire-Gio team should be able to clear Dana, though not easily.
fervent mulch
Does NCred have any 14/14 comps?
dim lance
it only has two rounds
idt Red has any, no
he just can't beat morg, MR and Nemona with a single compressor
snow spruce
no, he doesnt. Ice team stopped at 11 UBs or so IIRC
fervent mulch
I see
snow spruce
NC Red doesnt have enough checks (just the rebuff really) and Irida also isnt as op as NC Leaf
his burst is worse than leons too
fervent mulch
Makes sense
low coral
no, he doesnt. Ice team stopped at 11 UBs or so IIRC
At least Masked should be possible as well alongside Cynthia / Blue
But I ain't really aiming for it anymore, and idt there's anyone to pick it up
snow spruce
snow spruce
^ over 70 minute video for 10 UBs
mental jasper
that’s the NY Raihan effect
crude kite
man
short gate
you may come at me now ebe
First time 5 star tickets actually is useful
What’s the team with this and bp morty ex?
If someone could link me it
golden steppe
What’s the team with this and bp morty ex?
The one I copied was Lana, Karen and BP Morty. I didn’t have 3/5 Lana so I used Roxanne, you don’t need EX Morty you just need to pray for Wide Guard MPR and sync with Karen
short gate
The one I copied was Lana, Karen and BP Morty. I didn’t have 3/5 Lana so I used ...
Got it, thanks
paper mural
Gio is insane in UBs tbh
Gio is my last hope in Dana coz i didn't pull Arc Steven and don't have SS Mina. I'm still stuck using NC Blue for my ub clears and apparently he's gonna wrecked by all the ice dmg.
pseudo pewter
can NC Blue 3/5 , NC Red 2/5 and SS Mina beat the ice ultimate battle?
paper mural
It's better to wait until you get NC Red to 3/5.
formal matrix
The ice weak UB is the most difficult one
paper mural
Then they can do it with even egg Lapras.
(3/5 NC Blue + 3/5 NC Red)
formal matrix
That requires good luck and skill tho
pseudo pewter
wouldn’t ghethsis also work
formal matrix
Do you have other off type speed debuffer like nc cheren?
formal matrix
In that case maybe wait till you collect more units and then tackle Nita
Did you finish all other UBs?
Nita is the most difficult one in most people’s opinion
pseudo pewter
I decided to start with UBs because I thought it would go well with Nc Red
Though
I’m trying to beat the grass one
With adaman nc blue and ss acerola
But I’m waiting for one more tech candy so I can get adaman to 3:5
formal matrix
I don’t think he needs 3/5 to beat the grass one
If you just start UB, try Lucy first
Lucy, Darach and Argenta are the few easier ones
golden steppe
If only she had more nodes for her sync
bright python
what does the gio event cook
alpine quiver
I honestly thought it was gonna be a bit tough
bright python
the first one is honestly very easy
ultra hard my ass lol
just status and then point and laugh
crude kite
i brought meta pairs to that battle thinking it was gonna be ebe level hard
bright python
does anyone know where is the pastebin for the later ebes
golden steppe
HE4 is a fucking joke Volkner did NOT want to proc it
crystal zealot
The first one just lower stat and put them in status condition
bright python
HE4 is a fucking joke Volkner did NOT want to proc it
skill issue
alpine quiver
Colress didn't wanna proc accuracy down
alpine quiver
Gonna deliberately ignore that!
bright python
ariana grande
alpine quiver
I wanna be surprised
bright python
then block more or some shit
like what the japanese do to dataminers
and the last guy
golden steppe
Clemont practically full healing himself is so satisfying
Oh the
Hp numbers didn’t get screenshotted
crystal zealot
anyway if anyone was wondering for the later ebes
Guaranteed poison whole ally
alpine quiver
then block more or some shit
No need to be aggressive. I apologize if I made it seem like I was jabbing at you! It really wasn't my intention
crystal zealot
Just brute force it with the arcs nc kantrio
crude kite
what are the other 3 admins weak against
spiral summit
It doesnt boost any region or type so yeah, easy for me
bright python
psychic, ground and fighting in their order
spiral summit
crystal zealot
Halloween costume was such a pain
bright python
petrle is just "don't get poisoned"
ariana is "don't get spa dropped or kill her pre-sync"
the last guy is "lower his speed"
crude kite
i never finished that one lmao
bright python
and gio is just dealing with fluid fort again
crude kite
so do i just smack antitoxin on all my sync pairs when fighting petrel, what a lol
crude kite
how do you counter fluid fortification again
bright python
drop their stats
spiral summit
Just debuffs
crude kite
ah aight
bright python
yeah just debuff the over and over
like any tech pair released since 2022 should be able to do that
also he's ice weak
so i honestly don't think the fluid fort will do much since nc red and iridium will just kill him first
crystal zealot
Now I’m really need team status immunity
bright python
you dont really need it tbh
crude kite
non irida haver here, guess nc red can do the debuffing himself
bright python
i think petrel is weak enough thati f you have a good attacker give him antitoxin and he'll beat the stage for you
modern portal
golden steppe
non irida haver here, guess nc red can do the debuffing himself
Tch tch you’re forgetting someone very important 
crude kite
huh 
bright python
now that's more like it
dark dust
crude kite
that fuckass ticket from the prize box thing shouldn’t have given me 3/5 ss red, i wanted to destroy that box so badly
gentle wharf
Starting to see why the subway duo had theme missions lol
bright python
Starting to see why the subway duo had theme missions lol
nah
that's why they had tough skin
so that fuck you time to on-type everything
only to realise that ss lear solos every stage
i think you have to kill ss gio pre-sync though
crude kite
no theme no problem
lunar sedge
Oh you can just throw in anyone nice
true tiger
Oh my god
I suck
I had so much trouble doing kanto ebe even with nc blue and nc red
rotund oasis
what team? cuz they hit hard :<
obsidian meadow
Every team
rotund oasis
non SS Gio Alt clear?
obsidian meadow
Yeah I haven’t pulled him
lunar sedge
You can drop your roster and see what you can work with
There's a f2p clear with Lana/Blue but I forgot who the third is
rotund oasis
Lana gaming 😮
spiral summit
You only need 1 mpr tbh
spiral summit
lunar sedge
Oh yeah Karen works too
fading walrus
I did exless BP morty, ex Karen and Lyra/Jasmine
lunar sedge
I was mostly thinking of Lyndis' clear
spiral summit
There's a f2p clear with Lana/Blue but I forgot who the third is
Wait blue ?
paper mural
There's a f2p clear with Lana/Blue but I forgot who the third is
Blue? Did you mean Silver or?
spiral summit
fading walrus
I did exless BP morty, ex Karen and Lyra/Jasmine
Both work fine, even tho I found the jasmine clear easier to manage
spiral summit
Silver has ton of rng and do not do it at all
Silver clear
Need to block all Aoe move
So total 5 Wide Guard so good luck lol
obsidian meadow
https://youtube.com/shorts/7PbfsBO2vRQ?si=xzdGKNVqE20YtP9a
Very nice
I only got 3/5 Lana like last week lol time to grid her
plush gale
fading walrus
Didn't think of surge kek
fading walrus
To be fair I didn't find the iono event hard either
Only submas ones had some difficult stages
fading walrus
Also no theme skill missions
fading walrus
yeah these fights aren't EBEs
Not like the iono ones were EBEs either
steady roost
yea ngl i was really excited for these battles and then i just steamrolled proton with ss piers 😭 
uncut drum
lunar sedge
3/5 Poppys + 4/5 ASS vs Palmer
3/5 NY Poppy + Anni24Lillie + 4/5 ASS vs Evelyn
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/19F572tHBF/
rotund oasis
uh does proton have like
Sentry Entry x3?
bnout 50k?
Cool. Flinched.him. before he could hypnosis
Also, 100k nuke
earnest panther
"HA, AND YOU ALL SAID I WAS BAD!" -Milo probably.
warm haven
snow spruce
nice Milo clear bro
be a shame if we added a Dana UB in 4 days
warm haven
there's still doubt if arc cynthia will be able to clear dana, most likely yeah but a fat side a ice moves hurt cynthia
snow spruce
Cynthia clears Dana, so both existing Arc Duo-Mix Red and potential future teams with her should be good
full Steel should be able to, but tbh it still remains to be seen.
snow spruce
there's still doubt if arc cynthia will be able to clear dana, most likely yeah ...
Nah, theres 0 doubt. Thorton was Ice and she duo'd him
dim lance
that has a better shot at the full clear, I think
since Gio at least clears two rounds of the zone
Fwiw, Milo is not a sturdy tank
And Milo is likely specific to the full clear comp specifically
snow spruce
Gio/Leon/Leaf should clear Dana, probably, but they havent done Anabel yet.
But yeah they have a chance unlike the Milo-Avery-Leon one
warm haven
i'll call them the take all team
dim lance
there were some clears that are better done by some picks
warm haven
But dana will be easy for them
dim lance
Though the nice thing is that it has very strong chain synergy
warm haven
Fwiw, Milo is *not* a sturdy tank
but yeah
dim lance
and Milo also has the double block
warm haven
he's a ramp support with ok defensive capabilities
snow spruce
10/5 Milo is pretty fat tbh. Only lacks Atk/spatk debuffs
dim lance
he is fat in the non traditional way
warm haven
I see him as a slightly more defensive version of chase
warm haven
I think there's also the assumption that he's supposed to be in a grass team
and they naturally have more bulk due to GT healing
dim lance
Well, he's still on paper best in grass
snow spruce
I have my eye on a Milo-NC BLue-ASC as a 15/15 team.
It requires 10/5 Milo and most likely Mind Games 2 LS for Morgan.
But aside from that it should be pretty straightforward, everything is checked
dim lance
but creativity is quite important, yeah
Funnily enough, we are splitting Steven from NC Blue now
warm haven
I have my eye on a Milo-NC BLue-ASC as a 15/15 team.
It requires 10/5 Milo and m...
yeah they prob have it easy
snow spruce
10/5 Milo genuinely might become a staple for some all UB teams, at least for now
he checks the 2 important ones, while being fat enough to tank. And Max Guard is good
warm haven
Funnily enough, we *are* splitting Steven from NC Blue now
just wait until Thundering Wings Roost: Take Next "All" Move 
5/5 node
snow spruce
and he has Sprint
dim lance
10/5 Milo genuinely might become a staple for some all UB teams, at least for no...
he's not that fat
tbh
a lot of the clears were by the skin of their teeth
river prawn
does he have any damage reduction
snow spruce
1000+ hp and 400+ defences isnt fat ?
low coral
just wait until Thundering Wings Roost: Take Next "All" Move <:LucianScheme:9926...
See you in mid 2026 for Blue's rerun to happen
snow spruce
and mini potions
dim lance
his health is below average
actually
lol
like, he is "fat enough", but for traditional standards, he's not that fat
but he has DG
that's one of the biggest influences
river prawn
oh damage guard, but still no damage reduction in any form
warm haven
yeah he's just fat enough
snow spruce
I mean yeah and most 10/5 tanky supports are also good enough to tank all UBs IMO
as long as you provide atk/spatk debuffs ofc
like NC Blues stats are worse, and he tanks fine
dim lance
he also gives 20% reduction tho
so that's also important
Milo is better at tanking burst
not so much consistent output
even then stuff like Eve's Luster Purge also just oneshots his ass
lol
snow spruce
Milo is also weak to Bug, thats an advantage
dim lance
for now
we have no bug type UB but yeah
not a lot of exploitable weaknesses there
it's a very rare type overall
warm haven
Milo needs a partner for atk/spatk debuffs but so do mina and ssa cynthia sometimes
dim lance
The combo itself covers a lot of checks
Avery covers the debuff and stat control check, and the weather check
paper mural
Sad 10/5 Anni Raihan is not helping to beat Nita in sandstorm; otherwise I feel Milo + Anni Raihan can also be a good core in many ubs.
low coral
Milo needs a partner for atk/spatk debuffs but so do mina and ssa cynthia someti...
Mina and Cynthia also bring damage reduction
dim lance
Sad 10/5 Anni Raihan is not helping to beat Nita in sandstorm; otherwise I feel ...
that comp also has no offensive debuffs
so it'll get shrekt
lol
warm haven
Sad 10/5 Anni Raihan is not helping to beat Nita in sandstorm; otherwise I feel ...
he does
he has 2 suns
paper mural
that comp also has no offensive debuffs
Anni Raihan has it.
warm haven
yeah
sour elk
Milo also seems pretty slow to raise defenses, he is limited to +1/+1 on attack moves right?
And yeah no DR doesn't help
paper mural
he has 2 suns
It needs to be proven by someone I guess.
low coral
Milo + Anni Raihan feels like it doesn't have either longevity or power to clear everything either way tbh
dim lance
Milo also seems pretty slow to raise defenses, he is limited to +1/+1 on attack ...
which is the NC Blue rate
funnily enough
so it's not that bad
paper mural
Milo also seems pretty slow to raise defenses, he is limited to +1/+1 on attack ...
Tbf NC Blue is also slow on that.
low coral
No, Blue's rate is bad, what saves it are the debuffs
snow spruce
Milo lacking DR isnt that bad if your 2 others are MFs/arcs. 2 DR master/arc passives is good enough
if you only have 1 or 0 passives though, then it gets iffy
sour elk
Yeah but NC Blue has both DR and debuffs to compensate
warm haven
It's NC Rosa's rate
river prawn
Milo wont buff defenses if he uses spore right
warm haven
But the main problem is that clicking other move stops the rate
low coral
But Blue before 3/5 can struggle with some stuff due to exactly that
warm haven
Milo wont buff defenses if he uses spore right
yeah, only with razor leaf
river prawn
so technically worse than Blue
dim lance
Milo is not expected to check everything, yeah
sour elk
But the main problem is that clicking other move stops the rate
Blue also doesn't really have this problem, he likes just spamming Discharge for long stretches
dim lance
but he does check a unique combination
low coral
It's NC Rosa's rate
Rosa gets +2 / +1 per turn
dim lance
that makes him UB good
low coral
Due to Psychic and Fighting Performance
dim lance
is that not for self only tho
paper mural
Other many ub clear teams not using NC Blue/Arc Steven like SSMina + co & this Milo + co use another unit to debuff atk/spatk anyway so it's not an issue.
low coral
As well as a random stat +2 per Relic Song
Which also would be shared by everyone in case it's one of the defenses
snow spruce
so most likely it will be a 15/15 team after Dana