Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[spiral summit]

I think Lana version has way less rng tho

[fading walrus]

You only need 1 potion mpr

To win

For my version

The extra mprs are all extra comf points

[stable storm]

this ebe might be the easiest ebe in 2024

[fading walrus]

Mhhh

[stable storm]

unless I am forgetting an ebe

oh wait wasn't the flying weak ebe built for nc cheren absolute fodder

or am I misremrmbering

[fading walrus]

Yeah it kinda was

But it did need ex lodge skyla for f2p iirc

Which isn't something I'd consider as common or worth getting as jasmine/karen

Lemme check #1012256199128915968

[stable storm]

funny how the other ebe is that set is the only unf2pable ebe

iirc nc bianca ebe wasn't ever solved for f2p

[raven nacelle]

EXR?? Mine is EX. What's the R?

[stable storm]

ex role

[fading walrus]

Ex Role

In his case, field ex role

It'll help keep up health tics

But I guess you could win even without it

It's just a bit tighter

[raven nacelle]

Yeahhhh I don't have the cakes.

[fading walrus]

You should still make it

Sadly I can't remove my cake

So you need to try yourself

But again

You shouldn't absolutely need it

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Twitter

Oh hey

Lil bro made an account

Because of guilds

[spiral summit]

Ah yes, Spheal’s Guild in the future

[fading walrus]

https://x.com/coreen1002/status/1874307487970845132?s=19

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Twitter · Jan 1, 2025, 4:11 AM

Oh hey

[final yacht]

4/5 bp morty
Why

[spiral summit]

My is also 4/5

[stable storm]

he has a x account now huh

[warm haven]

mom why is lugia one shotting my NC Blue

[final yacht]

Whyyy

3/5 or 5/5 make sense, 4/5 is so random lol

[valid raft]

Because +2 SpMUN Surf

[fading walrus]

Nc blue has like 1 problem

[valid raft]

If Surf doesn't kill Blue, them EQ will

[fading walrus]

His buffing is slow early on

So turn 1 strong attacks pressure him a lot

[valid raft]

It's more like the enemies are immune to being disabled

[warm haven]

yeah

and they only spam AoE moves

[fading walrus]

I don't recommend having "30% flinch t1" as a unit viability clause

But hey

[final yacht]

Johto EBEs are some of the worst because the region has nothing lol

[fading walrus]

Yet they always get carried by one woman

[warm haven]

it's not for general use but it allows some clears

[fading walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-masters-ex-karen-pokemon-woman-lady-gif-3549133846287214695

[fading walrus]

Sure, but requiring it stems from him having slow buffing

[spiral summit]

Definitely not this one

that clearly Bp

[snow spruce]

Karen carrying Johto since 2019

[final yacht]

She's excellent for a spotlight

[fading walrus]

Her pb is the only one I probably consider almost Kris tier

Of the spotlights

[neat needle]

Could I beat anymore UB’s with these sync pairs? I still need to do Anabell, Thorton, Nita, Noland, Giovanni, Nemona, and Morgan. I have all arc suits except Leon and I also have syncs like SS Lear

[fading walrus]

Nc blue irida & red beats Anabel, Nita, Noland and Morgan pretty comfy

[neat needle]

Wtf

Are they really THAT broken

[fading walrus]

Yeah?

Those 3 were the original UB slayers

[neat needle]

Cuz they weren’t in Noland for me

[neat needle]

Eh makes sense

[fading walrus]

Well Noland is about optimization

[neat needle]

The spreadsheets

[neat needle]

Fair

[fading walrus]

Lana probably works better than blue there

[neat needle]

That’s what I’m thinking

But who tanks fissure?

[fading walrus]

But I think they can technically do it

[fading walrus]

Red with protect ig

Still

[neat needle]

I knew Nita could be beat with them

[fading walrus]

Pretty sure the doc has some Noland teams you can copy

[neat needle]

It’s just I don’t have the right cookies and there’s no legend gauntlet

[fading walrus]

Yeah I mean, cs2 is always obtainable

And isn't ABSURDLY worse

[neat needle]

Fair

[fading walrus]

Than weathered warrior

[neat needle]

I’ll go scan spreadsheets again

[fading walrus]

Nemona... doesn't seem feasible with your roster? From a quick look

Giovanni is doable either with penny or with akari + nc Marnie ig

Oh my bad, when I said Morgan before I confused her with Evelyn. Morgan seems rough for your roster

Anabel, Nita, thorton, Noland and Giovanni seem achievable, some even pretty easily

[boreal abyss]

Having lots of fun here with 10/5 SS Hau ash totally neeeded someone who gives 40% damage boost to allies lol

[warm haven]

oh nice

hau + mina is a great combo i havent seen in practice

[boreal abyss]

Battle could have been ended with either b electroweb or ash’s bmove, both in range, i queued up ash first cuz I was curious to see +4 smun b thunderbolt with 40% boost

💀

Just being silly around various UBs when I have time, nothing serious so far

I am super washed at this game nowadays

[short gate]

So close

I hate mpr

[gentle wharf]

What was the team?

[short gate]

1/5 akari, 3/5 nc Serena and lana

I don’t recommend it to anyone

It works, but the rng is so annoying

You need to successfully:
get 7+ mpr for lana
On the only water shuriken, get at least -2 or -3 def
Hit ceaseless edge twice (85%, the least annoying one)
Always crit

[gentle wharf]

geez lol

Specifically going for off region?

[short gate]

No

I don’t have 3/5 karen

[gentle wharf]

Huh. And Johto roster is crap?

[fading walrus]

Can't you use a different enabler like, let's say, SC Steven or smth

[short gate]

I don’t have

[short gate]

Ss Morty 1/5, eusine 1/5

That’s my johto roster

[fading walrus]

Any SEUN unit?

[short gate]

I thought about it

[fading walrus]

Morty should work fine

[short gate]

But it’s not worth it

Since akari has a lot of damage

[fading walrus]

Mhhh

[short gate]

The damage Akari provides is not contingent

I think 4/5 arc steven can do it

But mine is at 1/5

4/5 lowers more stats, giving more damage to her sync, has endure again, and also can get his tm twice, giving 60% boost to her sync instead of 30% from just one tm

[snow spruce]

how would this survive even the first sync ?
or do you pre-sync?

[short gate]

Pre sync

[golden steppe]

Don’t have 3/5 Lana so imma have to rely on Roxanne’s 40% wide guard mpr

[alpine quiver]

O o f

Are the other on-region clears not working for you?

[valid raft]

Man, DeNA really tryna make EB difficulty match the unit they've made huh?

This EB has all AoE attacks to showcase Gio's special effect of taking "All" damage

And the "All" effect is also affected by spread passives

[alpine quiver]

I had seen it coming a while back
I just didn't expect it to hit that hard 😭

[valid raft]

The preemptive MUN stacks are also meant as a scare tactic to make use of Gio's tanking of the "All" effect

[alpine quiver]

Yeah

[valid raft]

Surf to counter Jasmine and EQ per usual to counter the rats

Jasmine is the only F2P unit who can prevent stat drops and she's weak to water

[alpine quiver]

They really force you into a corner

[valid raft]

Zapdos and rats can clear, but paralyze RNG is required

Red can barely survive one of the EQ

Their HP low enough for the rats to take them down pre-sync

[snow spruce]

you would need paralyze for nearly every single EQ, if not every AoE attack

[valid raft]

It's either the 1st Surf or one of the EQ

I've done it before, but the rats died to Sludge Wave

[golden steppe]

She had full hp too and still died

[golden steppe]

Can you send me Lyra’s grid 🙏🏽

[fading walrus]

Yeah, since the unit is kinda whatever and johto the ebe is pretty easy

[fading walrus]

Yet if exed and well gridded she takes 95% tops from surf #1 🥱

[fading walrus]

Sure

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/200/15400?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFBggLDhMaGxwfISIlKDAxMjM

[lusty moat]

Can u plz share sync grid

[fading walrus]

The basic Karen grid for this + the Lyra grid I shared 20 mins ago + 2/5 "grab all mpr" morty grid

[lusty moat]

Umm I have lyra at 1/5 nvm

[golden steppe]

Damn my Karen still dies to 1st eq

[fading walrus]

Ideally you wanna roll for a dark/E4/johto skill pin with decent stats

Dark bandana and bracelet fully upgraded are enough

But type pins suck a bit

[drowsy berry]

Finally beat SS Ethan with Karen, W-Jasmine and SS Morty, just because Lugia keeps refusing to get fully paralyzed for the first Surf

[lusty moat]

After 4+ hrs of hard work . Lana was really not supporting me 😭

[fading walrus]

Ggwp

[lusty moat]

What does that mean

[warm haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO6Lw1V7cz4

@dim lance milo is really nice ontype

i'll try him with VHop when i get another field candy

and i'll candy milo to 5/5, that sync burst is nice

[elfin valve]

Any key advice I might be missing to clear Leon UB? I’ve been trying for a bit but he keeps wiping me when I get him to 60%. Trying to use Blue’s B move right after his sync but he always beats me to it.

[fading walrus]

You need to paralize again as soon as you proc endure

[elfin valve]

Oooo I see. Ok. Let me try it with a clearer eye

Thank you

[warm haven]

Milo on the loose

[shrewd marten]

Good game well played

[short gate]

I hate mpr

Can we remove it?

[shrewd marten]

If you remove it then clears become impossible

Like the one ur doing right now

[elfin valve]

Is there a way to avoid lapras putting Zappos to sleep? It keeps messing me up after red’s sync to use blue’s b move and survive 😩

[fading walrus]

It wouldn't change anything I think

You can't DPS sides I think

So you'd need like

7-8 mprs

[short gate]

Huh?

I’d sync

I just gotta kill the right and then the left is single target so it’s easier

It’s a lot of mpr

But it’s possible

It’s either that or 4/5 arc steven

[fading walrus]

"it's single target so it's easier"

Eh

No endure no potions no anything

[short gate]

It’s easier because if I miss one mpr

It doesn’t matter

Since lana will be killed first

And then nc Serena

Plus it only uses hyper beam, which takes a while to charge

[neat needle]

You can use arc Steven instead of Hau

[shrewd marten]

You use eterrain

So long as it’s up you cannot be slept

That is to say

Set it up as you damage him to 60%

[surreal torrent]

I still can’t win in these extreme battles..

It requires too much game knowledge and experience (which I lack of)

[alpine quiver]

Still no Karen-less F2P clear for SS Ethan's EBE?

[shrewd marten]

That is giga specific

Like why not use super effective

[fading walrus]

Who should DPS

[alpine quiver]

I'm just asking out of curiosity

[fading walrus]

Johto f2p has shitall offtype units

[shrewd marten]

You might be able to use Kris

But it doesn’t sound comfy

[alpine quiver]

I tried her with Colress and the mandatory Lana
No dice

[shrewd marten]

Colress?

[fading walrus]

Offtype Kris output is stuck in 2021

No way she kills

[alpine quiver]

He's only there for def drops, really

[paper mural]

EX Morty is possible I guess?

[alpine quiver]

I can't imagine having rain on board will help

[shrewd marten]

Me think you need survive

[shrewd marten]

Phantom force actually good idea

[paper mural]

Yes you really need at least both main tank and main dd on region if you're not using super busted limited units.

[alpine quiver]

Well, I found a substitution for Dana

[shrewd marten]

Apparently you don’t need any on region tanks

[fading walrus]

Just need enough mpr

[alpine quiver]

Yup

Luckily, I got it on video

I'll just whip up a quick thumbnail and upload it

[alpine quiver]

The clear is less than three minutes

I hate YouTube so much, oh my god

[fading walrus]

Yeah

[fading walrus]

https://x.com/penmas_ex/status/1874366075326119998?s=19

ぺんます (@penmas_ex) on X

ユウリで天敵のクロツグ撃破！
サカキ様万歳！サカキ様万歳！

Twitter · Jan 1, 2025, 8:04 AM

Oh this

This is funny

[alpine quiver]

Oh my god

That's hilarious

[fading walrus]

142k behemoth

Lmao

[alpine quiver]

Does Gio also tank the max move all by himself?

[snow spruce]

no, Take All doesnt work on Palmers max move

[alpine quiver]

Aw

Oh well

https://youtu.be/z09AQ9BaRa8?si=pILpYlEFWZhwwe50

[shrewd marten]

Incredible thumbnail there

[alpine quiver]

Thanks!

[short gate]

now do it without karen

[alpine quiver]

It seems that no one is using anyone else

Kris might just be the next best thing, and I couldn't even get that far with her

[spiral summit]

Well, not enough turn

1 move

[shrewd marten]

Noice

[alpine quiver]

Finally!

[shrewd marten]

That’s actually so smart wtf

You don’t trio queue because silver is ass without extension and you squeeze extra turns

[fringe stratus]

Thats such a good showcase dang

[spiral summit]

Uhhh mostly bc his longass animation ngl

[shrewd marten]

Yeah but the workaround u did was still gigabrain

[spiral summit]

Now

How the fk i can turn into normal video ?

[shrewd marten]

[spiral summit]

Short sucks

[shrewd marten]

Oh I know

Put the ending in beginning, add in a few failed attempts, then add in explanations, then do it over, then add gear and stuff, voila

[dark dust]

I filmed my pokemon center and put them at the end of my vid

[shrewd marten]

I copy pasted the formula I saw in tosakinto

[spiral summit]

Oh right, recording grid

[dark dust]

Unrelated but why is that emote named Kenny

[spiral summit]

Oh

The Spheal name Kenny

I have 2 unique Spheal

Kenny and Coco

[dark dust]

I have the urge to nickname my shiny spheal in PLA Coco

[spiral summit]

But yeah, Kenny is the name of the Spheal

I made PMD style for him

[dark dust]

Great emotes

[stable tundra]

i'm witnessing peak gameplay

🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[dark dust]

Now that I've seen the vid, that was great

[spiral summit]

Wait, i made it 2m59s

[dark dust]

[spiral summit]

So lazy to make thumbnails as always https://youtu.be/4jnNgF1Ll6w?si=d3heM-cI5gniqCxY

Very important

[short gate]

Karen is for losers

[elfin valve]

Oh interesting - I have him 4/5. Will this make the fight easier?

[neat needle]

Yes very

I used that and I beat it no problem

Use Steven Sync first then NC Blue Sync then wait to use 3rd Sync (red) until it’s below 60%

Didn’t even need a guide

The extra heals are insane

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwOWxHWvpdI
off-region EBE without AS steven

[quick pewter]

Silver my savior

[neat needle]

How did Steven live the syncs?

[quick pewter]

Uhhhhh he didn't have to

I KOed before sync

[neat needle]

Grids

[quick pewter]

Steven is 1/5 Lana is 3/5 with only wide guard MPR gridded Silver is 3/5 EXR with the generic 3/5 DPS grid the bot links to

[neat needle]

Who syncs first

[quick pewter]

Silver is the only one I bothered with

[neat needle]

I’m genuinely confused on how u made it too second sync

[quick pewter]

I mean

Sprint exr

[neat needle]

Oh

That makes sense

[neat needle]

SO CLOSE

[neat needle]

I would’ve won if Lana got 1 more wide gaurd

These runs are with EX 1/5 Silver No EXR

[marble portal]

best way to test a new unit I suppose is doing a UB

3 Acerola 3 Giacomo 4 Steven

[valid raft]

https://youtu.be/adKZyKfHU8U?si=YyG2GBqkPbH6PWU5

Double AoE healing with SS Morty and SS Kris

[spiral summit]

Ah still Karen

That team can use Silver right ?

[valid raft]

NC Silver?

[spiral summit]

No

Base Silver

[valid raft]

You can try since the weather is mainly sun

[spiral summit]

Nah

I already did f2p with him

[valid raft]

Ok

[dim lance]

Hmm

Tbh maybe I should just

Max guard Larry

[warm haven]

yeah palmer is doing 0 damage there

unless it's his bmove

[dim lance]

@warm haven @final yacht Ladies and gentlemen

We got em

Anabel passive + Reflect means Palmer takes EQ from full HP

with no drops

max Guard Larry was the play

Since Anabel doesn't need two rounds to live things

damn

[dark dust]

Ooh nice

I love this

[dim lance]

The irony is that superawakened Larry/Palmer doesn't want Anabel

At the same time

idk what other unit can take Giovanni without drops

while also being able to max guard something else lol

steven can safety net the EQ I guess

[final yacht]

Nice

I just got my Palmer to 8/5 btw, idk if I'm waiting or not for 10/5

[warm haven]

nice

[dim lance]

I need more comps to play Anabel in

I could do Shauntal/Red vs Anabel, idk

[warm haven]

im still cooking with milo

[warm haven]

I just did it with no grid milo

One of the lowest investments vs palmer

[fading walrus]

@alpine quiver

Part 2

https://x.com/penmas_ex/status/1874475628088713544?s=19

ぺんます (@penmas_ex) on X

ネジキくらいならデバフ無しでも受けれるサカキ様

Twitter · Jan 1, 2025, 3:19 PM

[warm haven]

https://youtu.be/r3HYaYbk0Jk

[fervent mulch]

Begging for them to not ruin her exr and give her tech

[fading walrus]

I wouldn't HATE field either

But that's just me

Tech is ofc best

[valid raft]

Who?

[fervent mulch]

Gloria

[fervent mulch]

I wouldn’t either

[fading walrus]

Just 6 pf exr left

Nemona (zzz)
Alder (can't be saved unless it's, idk, field?)
Marnie (zzz)
Victor (zzzz)
And gloria

5 nvm

[fervent mulch]

Alders super awakening was sorta field already

[fading walrus]

Right

I really hope it's not sprint

Just because of adr2 on base

[fervent mulch]

He has adrenaline 2 already so we can cope or it’s sswally 2

[spiral summit]

[fading walrus]

Sswally sync does damage

Alder is all DPS

[fervent mulch]

Giving him sprint so syncing with him gives neglibel damage but another sync buff (bad version of supp exr)

[raven wharf]

What do I do?

The sides barely take damage,so 3 et and 3 hails aren't enough

[fervent mulch]

What’re the move levels

[raven wharf]

Blue is 5/5,sstred and irida are 3/5

[valid raft]

Does Red have Vigilance?

[fervent mulch]

Hmm did you watch any of the clears from the doc on it?

[raven wharf]

I'll need to install reddit again

[raven wharf]

I keep vigilance on all of them

[fervent mulch]

No it’s in the pins of this channel most of them are YouTube links

I assume all of them are

[raven wharf]

The sstred irida ncblue is a reddit link

Lemme try to make a skill gear set rq

[fervent mulch]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=002103014500&s0=3&l0=140&r0=6&p0=0&a0=15010301&t0=11111&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFBggLDhATFhklJyot&v1=028500047100&s1=1&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=15010101&t1=4444&g1=AAECAwQFBgcICQoMERITFRobHB0jJCUmJyg&v2=000003014400&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=13016403&t2=44444&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFDA8fIiQoKywtLi8

[fervent mulch]

Oh I see

I downloaded the video it’s uploading

[raven wharf]

Wrong red

[fervent mulch]

Ohh

Oops

[covert marlin]

Go for Max Conductivity instead of all sync damage?

[raven wharf]

I think you need the nuke?

I'll try to switch

[covert marlin]

You said 3 ET was not enough

then go for 4

[raven wharf]

Good set of gear for this fight?

[fervent mulch]

I think you want a skill gear that gives more spatk for irida

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=002103014500&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=21010101&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFCw0OEBMWGSYpLg&v1=028500047100&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016303&t1=4444&g1=AAECAwQFERIUFRgZHSAi&v2=000002002500&s2=3&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=13010602&t2=44444&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFBggLDRAdICMlKSwt

[elfin valve]

Ok amazing I’ll try it today! Thank you!!!

[elfin valve]

How is Giacomo at 3/5? I thought he was only good at 5/5

[warm haven]

[warm haven]

https://youtu.be/187lfyhJFR0

No MF, No candies, 2 limited Palmer clear

@dim lance look at this

[final yacht]

another palmer clear carried by rei

[valid raft]

Imagine having Rei

[fading walrus]

Me fr until that HSE banner

[warm haven]

best MC

[lusty moat]

Damn thanks

[warm haven]

No rei now

[pliant cove]

any tips? cant seem to finish him off before the max move. or is there any other way to survive it?

[dark dust]

Try checking the doc. I'm fairly certain that team is there

[pliant cove]

Aight thanks!

[marble portal]

Solid, tho I’m finding gauge a little problematic

[neat needle]

Any replacement for Giacomo

[white badger]

How good is Bugsy in the Gio Exteeme Battle?

As in, Christmas Bugsy

[arctic nest]

Pretty good it seems

[fading walrus]

Really good

[paper mural]

Even at 1/5 exr only he supports super well in it for me.

[tepid heath]

i'm not sure what's up with tis lugia battle but if it can casually 2 shot the whole team and only uses aoe moves, i call bs

[fading walrus]

No bp morty?

[sour elk]

It's the fact that the start with SMUN and PMUN so their opening moves are devastating, Karen Houndoom and Lana Araquanid can cheese the fight with Wide Guard MPR, otherwise you might need premium Johto units like SS Kris, SS Morty, NC Silver and/or SS Ethan

[fading walrus]

Karen 3/5 ex is kinda mandatory for budget clears

Rest is workaroundable

Either ex Jasmine or ex Lana + bp morty carry

Then there's also Lyra as an option too

[alpine quiver]

it's like the bare minimum to have Karen
though, I gotta give credit to Pykuo for proving you can also do it Karen-less

[spiral summit]

Nah, only EX Karen is enough tbh, well for wide guard user at least

https://youtube.com/shorts/tH8_8N7-qis?si=-uygHiF2c44K_S3J

I only Synced with Karen here

[alpine quiver]

holy shit

Roxanne Wide Guard

[spiral summit]

Only need 1 so yeah, not that horrible

[fading walrus]

Worse mpr odds

I can't be bothered

I'm happy I got the jasmine one

[fading walrus]

Pretty sure you need ex to tank

Or rather

20/20

[spiral summit]

Nah

I didn’t use FA4

[fading walrus]

I didn't mean Morty

[spiral summit]

Roxanne have endure

[fading walrus]

I mean Lana & jasmine

[spiral summit]

And she got oneshot anyway

[fading walrus]

I'm not specifically bringing up your clear

[spiral summit]

That why i said at least for Wide Guard stats

Roxanne and Lana both the same

[golden steppe]

Hmm I guess I should give Karen Dauntless LS

[alpine quiver]

which strat are you using?

[golden steppe]

Pumping

Polio

PYUKOI

PYKUO

[sacred haven]

What's the best clear for Ethan?

[stable storm]

without limiteds or with limiteds

[valid raft]

Well, one of the most commonly used units is Karen

[sacred haven]

Any of these?

[valid raft]

SS Morty can work as a primary support

[sacred haven]

Okay...

[stable storm]

@sacred haven do lana bp morty and karen

pykuo has a very low rng clear on his channel

[golden steppe]

Okayy finally did it got all Roxanne mprs before Ethan synced and I got so lucky that confusion proc’d and his 2 SMUN Surf didn’t occur

[valid onyx]

[neat needle]

Why not use Lana

She has better MPR odds?

[valid onyx]

Maybe his Lana didn't unlock that grid yet?

Low move level

[neat needle]

Fair

[neat needle]

Would SS Morty work here (Ho Oh not mismagius)

[golden steppe]

Only have her 2/5

[neat needle]

Ohhh ok

[golden steppe]

Possibly I could try it out but I think BP Morty would still be better since he provides Sp.Def and Defense buffs

[neat needle]

I don’t have BP Morty

[valid onyx]

Tried Leon UB since few days ago and failed miserably from trying to copy Korin build in doc
So, I changed Lillie with Geeta and after some tweak here and there, I managed to defeat Leon
It took me many tries and was hella tiring, gonna take a break from trying to tackle new UB for a while

[gentle wharf]

Dana is in 10 days so yeah rest

[valid onyx]

[plush gale]

Late Post https://youtube.com/shorts/NzWln3bJgt4?feature=share

[dim lance]

Why does this feel cheap

in my defense

this is 1/5 EXR SST Red

and only 3/5 EX Emmet

but still

[fading walrus]

They really should stop making BCs steel weak

Like, this one already gets wrecked by Hop but alillie 24 absolutely SHREDS these

[paper mural]

Can be shred by free units so you dont need to pull new pairs is good thing to most ppl tho.
BCs are also the one will get into BR one day so I genuinely hope they dont make them terribly hard one day.

[fading walrus]

Yeah but there's degrees

This bc hits extremely weakly, has no bulk and its single gimmick is status

We had extremely worse BCs already years ago

This one feels weak, and being steel weak only makes it easier

[warm haven]

[gentle wharf]

Noice

[final yacht]

riley sole dps on palmer

[boreal abyss]

W

[halcyon wagon]

clutch iron tail is clutch

[short gate]

any new Karenless f2p clears?

I saw the silver one but no pb

[warm haven]

https://youtu.be/NYQM5D6xvsY

here it is

[fervent mulch]

Palmer clear carried by rei smh

[final yacht]

that's riley

[fervent mulch]

Idk who that is

[final yacht]

[warm haven]

[broken crag]

been procrastinating too ezy

[uncut drum]

https://youtu.be/R4POftwxaoU

More SS Hilda superawakening propaganda

[elfin valve]

@neat needle thanks for the tip! It was indeed super easy to beat Leon UB with Arc Steven lol I should have known

[plush gale]

https://youtube.com/shorts/a2SuExkuJYk?feature=share

[fading walrus]

https://youtu.be/1IVqx_FbjkQ?si=zfYaDMKSxNsGD_UN

Now this

This is a good way to showcase how good "take all" is

[dim lance]

A good way to showcase how to compensate Giovanni as well

Which isn't too demanding

[fading walrus]

Yeah, it's a really good showcase overall

Especially vs Nita

With no speed drops and 2 sun sets

[dim lance]

Nita without speed check mind you

lol

[fading walrus]

Yea

[polar spoke]

Korin is one of the best ones, he puts a lot of care into making his vids

[river prawn]

It's also without any flinches

Which Nita is very weak to

[fading walrus]

Or sleep

[valid raft]

Now imagine Gio taking +10 PMUN EQ from Noland

[fading walrus]

He can

He has endure

[river prawn]

Piercing blows sadly

[alpine quiver]

I still think it's BS that units with pierce can't pierce their mid-HP endurance

[spiral summit]

I tried him with Anabel funny enough

I actually forgot to upload it

[valid raft]

Now do it without damage guard

[alpine quiver]

Woo

[fading walrus]

Awwww

[left crow]

Heh.

[valid raft]

I'm surprised you almost died

[left crow]

Unlucky with potion mpr

Im lucky Karen got 2% after eq

[valid raft]

Really? My team was still above 50% HP after Ethan's 1st sync

[left crow]

So does i

It wasn't the reason why Karen died

Almost

[wooden parcel]

is there any that i can use for any of the ub (lucy is done)

[prime flare]

you might be able to do thornton with AS Steven, AS Leon and NC Blue, or replace Blue if you have a good sun setter

[pseudo pewter]

My adaman keeps getting killed to the sync move after I kill the starmie and when slowbro is like 40%, should I give him vigilance and should I upgrade him to 2/5

[golden steppe]

There’s nothing significant for him at 2/5

[pseudo pewter]

I see

Should I still give him vigilance?

[golden steppe]

Yeah, give it a shot and see if he survives

[pseudo pewter]

Okay

This was the best I could do

Blue died here

[rustic wolf]

Beat Ethan on my alt, Gio makes this ez mode.

Was gonna spend a Strike Candy on Karen because I thought she needed grid to output enough damage, Gio stockpiles are enough to get her there lol

[paper mural]

Never candy a genpool unit, especially for 300 gems only.

[tulip stream]

weirdly enough you might be able to make selene work here due to striker ex

[paper mural]

Did Blue have Water Guard ls (pick Vigilance in grid)?
It might help him survive longer.

[wheat orchid]

Is the new Kirlia unit useful? Or just free garbo?

[exotic dome]

Not in the mode of this topic imo

[golden steppe]

For UB’s, BC’s and EBE’s no. She’s pretty much another pair you could use in legendary gauntlet, she is good for 3* free pair though as she can sleep chain and has a decent nuke

[wheat orchid]

Oh I thought i was in the questions section 🤦🏻‍♂️

Im sorry

I didn’t realize this was the last place i was in before hoping off

[bright python]

who do i speak to to suggest a change to the UB sheet?

[stable storm]

mael iirc

[wooden parcel]

is Gordie good? not a sunny day setter but can use first sun from gmax

my Leon is squishy, after first sync he instantly dies

[stable storm]

no, only 1 unextended sun isn't good

[wooden parcel]

any good suggestions from my roster?

Dont really have that much

[stable storm]

what move level is your nc blue

[wooden parcel]

1

didnt really focus on him

[paper mural]

If you have surviving issue it's better to bring someone debuff atk & spatk.
Also is Arc Steven's def debuff enough? Thorton with even just +1 def will gain dmg boost.

[marble portal]

so close….

if you can get REALLY lucky this should be doable

[golden steppe]

Woah

What are the levels

[marble portal]

3 5 4

all cake

def RNG based

like when Gio does his TMs you can't let him Earthquake

and also pray Venom Drench doesn't miss

2 Venom Drenches weaken his attacks a good deal

if one misses post TM you're done

[golden steppe]

Oof too bad I only have 1/5 Oleana

[marble portal]

yeah....prob neeeds 3

cuz I have Potent Toxin

trying to experiment with Oleana for this UB

like maybe this is how I can get it done with CyruSS?

still hoping to ontype this, I've done it with lodge Gladion/SolgaLillie/AS Steven before

FINALLY ONTYPED GIOVANNI

3 5 4 for levels, all caked

[wooden parcel]

whats a good debuffer

i managed to get him down to 60+% meanwhile the sides are 40+%

oh wait blue is at 2

[stable storm]

once you get him to 3 you will be able to do a lot

[wooden parcel]

thanks though

52% left on thorton

the rest is dead

[stable storm]

is your account new

[wooden parcel]

2 months old

well 3-4 now

I dont see any good sun setters

does protect reduce sync damage

[stable storm]

yes

it halves sync damage

[stable storm]

no need focus on ubs till your nc blue is 3/5

[wooden parcel]

for sunny day i only have ss erika

[wooden parcel]

aight then

[paper mural]

Or arc Steven at 4/5

[wooden parcel]

i"ll see if theres free omni coins in the future

[short sundial]

can i beat it with this or should i replace mina with kriss

[kindred light]

Is it possible to beat Morgan’s ultimate battle without dragapult Haxorus or arc suit Steven?

I have 3/5 NC Blue and 3/5 SS Lear

[valid raft]

Morgan requires specific debuffing of stats

[kindred light]

I did review that, is it possible with just blue then? Or other supports? Game only wanted me to have arc suit Cynthia lol

[valid raft]

Blue is fine for offensive debuffing, but you'd need to find other units for defensive debuffing

[jaunty light]

lana wide guard mpr 3 times in a row saved me

[tame canyon]

Need help with this battle

[fast pendant]

Preferably you would replace Mina for another unit with et and good dmg

[snow spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKjLQVV67aQ
aside from Nita, who is done, he has all the hardest UBs left

[low coral]

I was talking with Rion, I was nearly finished with mine yesterday

Just Thorton left

Would've been done if I already had pulled Giovanni

But over 300 scout points and nothing yet

But it was looking like this

Tbolt Red / NC Blue / NC Silver Ok

Thorton:


Darach:
Rei / NC Hop / Grusha Ok

Argenta:
SS Steven / Anni Raihan / Elaine Ok

Palmer:
Chase / SS Serena / Arc Lance Ok
Chase / Lucas / Arc Lance Ok

Lucy:
Red / Ash / SS Hau Ok

Leon:
Aura Cynthia / NC Red / Irida Ok

Nita:
Arc Cynthia / Arc Steven / Archer Ok

Noland:
Anabel / Lana / Palmer Ok

Giovanni:
Lear / NC Rosa / SS Lana Ok

Evelyn:
NC Serena / Mix Leaf / SS Mina Ok

The Masked Royal:
Arc Leon / SS Morty / NC Leaf Ok

Nemona:
SS Acerola / Mix Red / Adaman Ok

Morgan:
SS Lear / NC Bianca / NC Bede Ok```

Palmer has two since I was considering swapping Serena out and let her fight Thorton since I don't have many rebuffers left

[rich heron]

After more than 10 attempts

I have finally completed this

[stable storm]

congratulations

[neat needle]

rip i dont have grusha or NC Cheren ;-;

def saving for him and bianca

[tough sonnet]

I have 2/5 nc red (2 coins away from strike candy) and 5/5 sina, who is the best support to use to beat ice weak ub

[neat needle]

for an ice weak? Theres 3. NC Blue, Chase (prob the worst option for UB), and grusha

[tough sonnet]

My grusha is 1/5 and im at 352 scout points for nc blue

[neat needle]

m

hmmmmmmmmm

do u have irida?

cuz if so u should use her > sina

[tough sonnet]

no

[neat needle]

okay then yeah use sina

check the Nita spreadsheet

for teams

right here

[tough sonnet]

Thank you

[neat needle]

np

[tough sonnet]

My phone is unable to open the sheet 💀

It keeps crashing

[lusty moat]

Can someone help me with nita . I have articuno for attack , ss morty for support but I don't have a good third sync pair . I have arc Synthia at 3/5 and arc leon at 2/5 .

[mental jasper]

Well you aren't countering Nita's main gimmick which is that she needs her speed lowered. What pairs do you have that can do that aoe?

[fast pendant]

Cynthia can do it if you choose to use her, but it's a bit cumbersome team with the clash of weathers and sun stopping Red from freezing opponents

[mental jasper]

oh true, forgot that tile existed

[lusty moat]

So

Can someone recommend me a team

Wait I will send you pic of my sync pairs

[marble portal]

goofing around with Evelyn UB here

[mental jasper]

Have you looked at the clear repo yet?

[short gate]

Speaking of which, did they update it for the ebes?

The new ebe

[mental jasper]

going to guess not since the active tab still shows the "Show the Best Teamwork!" EBEs

[lusty moat]

Yea I don't have any of the all 3

Can someone help me with that plz

[mental jasper]

Well UBs are extremely restrictive, it's unwise to attempt an undocumented clear unless you really know what you're doing and have some experience against the UB in question

[kindred light]

I see, so who would be a good defensive debuffer for this fight?

[elfin valve]

Can I complete the Noland UB with Lana at 4/5?

[tawny prawn]

I was,thinking of the ebe

Haha reading

[mental jasper]

Should be able to if that's the only deviation on a different team

[elfin valve]

Yep; trying it with NC Cheren + NC Blue + Lana. I keep getting close but not close enough. He always kills my zapdos right before I sync with Cheren. So I’ve gotten him down to like 18%

I keep using fly AND wide guard in that moment but zapdos still keeps getting killed.

[mental jasper]

as long as you're popping B Roost at a timely moment and have vigilance for the sync, Blue shouldn't be dying

[elfin valve]

He’s getting hit by a fissure/eq, even while having wide guard up which is odd. I must be doing something wrong

[mental jasper]

ah, you have your tactics wrong then

Cheren is tactic 1

[elfin valve]

Oooooh that’s why

I didn’t know Cheren should be 1 hehe

[mental jasper]

that's why you fly with Cheren turn 1

[elfin valve]

I was doing that but didn’t explicitly understand why

Thank you

[thorny brook]

How do i beat ethan with this

[low coral]

@dim lance finished my UB Gauntlet, final teams:
Tbolt Red / NC Blue / Egg Lapras vs Anabel
Oleana / NC Marnie / SSA Giovanni vs Thorton
Rei / NC Hop / Grusha vs Darach
SS Steven / Anni Raihan / Elaine vs Argenta
SS Serena / Arc Lance / Chase vs Palmer
Red / SS Hau / Ash vs Lucy
Aura Cynthia / NC Red / Irida vs Leon
Arc Cynthia / Arc Steven / Archer vs Nita (the real "Arc" trio")
Anabel / Lana / Palmer vs Noland
Lear / SS Lana / NC Rosa vs Giovanni
NC Serena / Mix Leaf / SS Mina vs Evelyn
Arc Leon / SS Morty / NC Leaf vs The Masked Royal
SS Acerola / Mix Red / Adaman vs Nemona
SS Lear / NC Bianca / NC Bede vs Morgan

@stable storm since I remember you asking about Lear, I've ended up moving him to Giovanni

[opaque dagger]

smh real arc trio without archeops, arcanine, archie, garchomp or dudunsparce

[gentle wharf]

… garchomp is right there

[stable storm]

yayyy

[stable tundra]

Is the SS Steven team for *Argenta? Cuz you wrote Thorton twice

[low coral]

Yes

[fervent mulch]

Did you happen to record (any of) these clears?

[low coral]

Uh, not on that run

[fervent mulch]

I see

[low coral]

Some were recorded and on my channel before, others were recorded by other people, some are on in-game replays

Ik Giovanni / Marnie / Oleana vs Thorton is currently up in-game

Idt the rest is

Since that was the last one I did

[fervent mulch]

I see

[low coral]

Most of those would be fine to repeat, but Grass vs Nemona is an actual hell

Requires very specific damage rolls to happen so that Adaman breaks her endurance specifically with Razor Leaf

And Red maxes right after so that Nemona doesn't sync under Terrain

But Razor Leaf can both underdamage Nemona and not break her endurance as well as you may overdamage her too early

[onyx cedar]

a batch of clears featuring Arc Steven + Raihan (+ Raihan in 6)

https://youtu.be/kir-RriLAmc?si=i8BsdavJ6Gyf3roB
https://youtu.be/svo9JL2fZ1I?si=_XU5KgjmAansY6qZ
https://youtu.be/IEnvM5odX6w?si=cV8Il9vH_nkT2F8F
https://youtu.be/BUBz04FVTGM?si=D9ZchhcLxE2nOQwc
https://youtu.be/xXB_L5ew22Q?si=rp2l9BiQrc8uwk7u
https://youtu.be/ddrlzkoPqJk?si=y3r4u62NWWoel23C
https://youtu.be/BXKIMKdanDI?si=vU1pOUAofzXf18qW
https://youtu.be/bwAoxvoNtW0?si=5wKkYAMxdVdyb1T3
https://youtu.be/f1Ve-xDoLWg?si=McYSX1CJ2Pg2gnVR

removed the embeds because they are 9 videos lol

[rich heron]

Idt u can

With this

Silver hooh maybe

[dark dust]

Pykuo cleared with Silver/Lyra/Lana

If you have Lana at 3/5 you can definitely try that

https://youtu.be/4jnNgF1Ll6w?si=qSVJrx8TDkoOFpyh

@thorny brook

Roxanne is the alternative if you don't have Lana, but more Widee Guard MPR RNG required

[worthy meadow]

Advice: if you think Karen gets OHKO whatever support you give in SS Ethan EBE Part 2, I just advice making her around 90% health...if you have SS Kris she's great as she Mini Potion All for the Heals but I actually also recommend BP Morty that can quickly give Defense boost and also Potions. I forgot but I think I Synced with the Supports first before Karen. Also remember to entertain Karen (her TrM) after enemy Sync as it debuffs Sp Atk. Keep Potioning in the precise times and Karen's offense will do the rest (although Satisfied Snarl 9 Sync Node is very helpful to keep SS Ethan's offense somewhat manageabke IMO).

[frozen meteor]

Wut da hell

3 s.as

[calm sand]

The dedication some whales put in for this feature

[frozen meteor]

Wait

[sturdy egret]

I can’t imagine putting 3 SAs into one type lol

I have 5/5 SS Piers too but I already maxed out N

[frozen meteor]

How many types are left for ebe?

What is dana?

I feel like next month we will be getting arc alder and bug ebe

[sturdy egret]

Just steel and bug methinks

[lunar sedge]

ghost and bug

[sturdy egret]

Dana is steel

[frozen meteor]

Ah dana is simple

[sturdy egret]

Oh yeah, ghost

[sturdy egret]

Hopefully…

[frozen meteor]

Given how strong our steel types are

[sturdy egret]

our?

[lunar sedge]

dana wants weather change btw

[frozen meteor]

I see

With how strong steel types are rn

[sturdy egret]

Dana wants three zone changes

[frozen meteor]

Like

Arc steven

Ss lear

And stuff

[sturdy egret]

Don’t have either lol

[frozen meteor]

THREE?

[sturdy egret]

Que tragico

[frozen meteor]

Damn

Goodbye lillie

Hello marnie

I am so not getting the snek

[sturdy egret]

I’m just annoyed it’s ice, lol

[frozen meteor]

Then again marnie nuke quite strong so it's ez

She got super syncer or smth

[sturdy egret]

Cynthia rendered bad twice in a row

Marnie damage is pretty bad after nuke, and all these stages have damage thresholds

[frozen meteor]

That's where ss lear comes in

And with rebuff

He is shredding

It's hse hala all over again @spiral summit

[sturdy egret]

I’ll probably just offtype with SC Selene as moral support

[frozen meteor]

Dana ez

Bug tho

[lunar sedge]

soon

[frozen meteor]

Arc Alder

Fuck

I like volcarona so

Worth?

Then again

We got ss hilbert as arc alder at home

He alone does rebuff quite well

[sturdy egret]

I will live

[frozen meteor]

Yeah

You eat

Also

Man i love his grand entry 3 at s.a

I don't have him at s.a but i do think it is so damn useful

He takes forever to setup

Still

I wonder how it would affect his azelf solo

[sturdy egret]

Eh, just bring Holiday Viola and give him her TM

not like she’s damaging anything anyways

[frozen meteor]

It is so funny how

Ebe shat on hilbert

Like

Being weak to fire sucks

No hope for anabel unless invested like crazy

Though i can see him being something on leon

[sturdy egret]

I basically never use him on anything other than bug unless I’m bored

[frozen meteor]

But even then i would rather bring another electric pair instead

Oh yeah

I suppose he CAN work on Nita

Super slowing hig

[sturdy egret]

I never want to do Nita again

[frozen meteor]

Still

I am quite happy to know that

Steven got a use

Anni steven of all things

The goat

[frozen meteor]

Okay guys

Can S.A grusha carry Pryce in Nita?

I just had a thought

[spiral summit]

Imagine pinging me while i’m sleeping

[frozen meteor]

Pyuko wake up

Anyways

The test went as well as I expected

No S.A but

Pryce is not living sync 2

And irida cannot nuke hard enough

😦

[fast pendant]

Grusha is not particularly good against nita and her SA doesn't really change anything on that

[frozen meteor]

i wanna see

what kind of expansion they are giving the master fairs

if it's like last year then adaman and irida are expected to have them on the eevee day

aka 10 months from now

god i wish irida would get something so busted

[frozen meteor]

well he does a lot of good things imo

flinch and freeze both work

good defensive wise and can debuff Nita to an extent

And also, Ice zone for more damage

[warm haven]

he's one of the few supports that can actually tank nita without help

[fast pendant]

her debuff only occurs when using the b move and only against the target that attacked, given Nita can reset debuffs and it kinda needs to be saved for big hits, you're not applying those debuffs for most of the battle and likely not for the sides

[warm haven]

and he can block that sure crit EQ also

[river prawn]

[frozen meteor]

isn't grusha a GUY?

[frozen meteor]

yeah that

[fast pendant]

team healing is also extremely limited

from grusha's side

[frozen meteor]

i mean nobody is using him without other ice units

[warm haven]

well his SA adds way more healing

But you also dont need that much team healing since you're blocking AoE moves

[frozen meteor]

@vast parrot gotta say though i love the new dojo gloria and dahlia clear you did on Nita

crazy

[fast pendant]

it doesn't add more healing, grusha only has the one tick of healing

the uptime was already fixed by having Irida on the team

[frozen meteor]

aaand i forgot rose can't debuff speed

[stable storm]

what are you attempting?

[frozen meteor]

i was like

arc steven looks cool

and i got marnie

variety

with sunny day

so i was like "she got galar circle so, rose"

[stable storm]

V marn is very underestimated imo

[stable storm]

what level is your ASS?

*move level

[frozen meteor]

max invested

but

welp

i can't win with anni lillie

one speed debuff not good enough lol

[frozen meteor]

i swear this out of context is so funny

like

levels to my ass

[stable storm]

do you have nc cheren

[frozen meteor]

i mean i do

[stable storm]

poma in general has weird acronyms so it could be applied to a lot of convos in the server

[frozen meteor]

yes

nc cheren arc steven and... anni rayquayquay?

[stable storm]

at 2/5+ he can keep up with Nita well

[frozen meteor]

ecks dee

[stable storm]

v marn ASS and nc cheren

[frozen meteor]

i mean that works

[stable storm]

Should shred with vigilance

[frozen meteor]

also i remember seeing someone

saying that

arc steven ss lear and anni lillie can do anything

maybe not on nita rofl

but yeah i am done experimenting

[stable storm]

they did do every ub yes

including Nita

[sturdy egret]

Lillie debuffs speed

[stable storm]

They brute force every ub

steel comp is giga cracked

[frozen meteor]

yeah

which is why

no doubt that team can destroy dana

even if you only have 2 zones

unless

[stable storm]

not destroy

do you know dana's other gimmick @frozen meteor

[frozen meteor]

eh, even if they cannot then easy pal marnie slap on

[frozen meteor]

what is it?

[stable storm]

hail

she becomes a monster under hail

[stable storm]

p marn isn't saving them if sillie doesn't but steel should beat Dana with extreme difficulty

[frozen meteor]

huh

so

how much weather do i need to change?

once?

[stable storm]

*ub

un details @frozen meteor

[stable storm]

2 unless you kill 500k hp sides early

btw dana sides are rock weak

[frozen meteor]

oh

then

Rose ASS and something

rose is pretty good with impervious

he also got stone edge

walahi

[stable storm]

rose ASS sc Selene/ny poppy/p marn should do

[frozen meteor]

oh yeah

sc selene

i sleep

[stable storm]

just needs acuity

[sturdy egret]

bullet punch is sure hit

or metal claw just for sync gauge after zone runs out?

[warm haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9Zx__HNqbI

oh god triple support anabel

[fading walrus]

That doesn't sound that different to some irida solo DPS clears that happened through the year to me

[fringe stratus]

I’m debating candying ss lear and pal marnie with 3/5 ss morty for the upcoming ub

Worried that the hp might be a bit too much

[paper mural]

Wait until you see they really beat it from someone else before candying.

Tho candying SS Lear just in case for future bs status spam ebe is a good investment imo.

[gentle wharf]

Man

Not looking forward to Dana

[sturdy egret]

there’s only two more ebes after this

bug will be whatever alder neutralizes and ghost will be something weird

[stable storm]

ubs

[fast pendant]

there's no indication of ubs ending after 2 more oens

[stable storm]

Dana is our fattest ub right?

[fast pendant]

in total yeah

[valid raft]

Judging by the passives, it seems that one of the units made for Dana is Argenta

[fast pendant]

I wouldn't say so

Argenta wouldn't be able to keep up with the debuffs

[valid raft]

Either Argenta or SS Lear

[stable storm]

a lot of steels have imperv

[fast pendant]

it's just PG/Impervious

[stable storm]

like 80% of steels

have imperv

[pearl pewter]

r

[stable storm]

the accuracy thing is something that the type is generally immune to

[pearl pewter]

I mean, team slots on Dana are very valuable

[valid raft]

Besides, even if it wasn't made for Argenta and you counter the accuracy debuffs, how would you deal with the evasion buffs?

[snow spruce]

its made for any steel/rock pair with 1-2 sandstorms + steel zone setters

[pearl pewter]

you need to have zone or weather

[stable storm]

the hail and rock weakness is for rose

triple zone is for poppy

[fast pendant]

evas buffs only happen when you miss

[stable storm]

or scelene or parnie

[snow spruce]

Dana only buffs evasion after you miss. If you never miss, they wont have evasion
I think

[fast pendant]

so if you don't miss, they don't buff evas

[pearl pewter]

seems like it

[stable storm]

thank god

[valid raft]

Either Rose or Raihan

[stable storm]

imagine+6 evasion on entry on dana.

[pearl pewter]

what’s stopping people from running 5/5 arc Cynthia

[valid raft]

Not sure besides being ice-weak

[low coral]

It's Rose and Poppy

[stable storm]

raihan's rock dps is questionable, especially aoe so I am only counting rose

[snow spruce]

Nothing stops 5/5 Cynthia besides Cresselia

[pearl pewter]

she’d check both weather and zone

maybe Bertha as a cheaper option

[stable storm]

ASC does counter dana yes

[low coral]

The only annoying part for Cynthia is the Ice damage

[stable storm]

mina is the hardest counter

[low coral]

But she should be fine due to Steven

[pearl pewter]

she does thorton just fine

[low coral]

Not even close

[stable storm]

ss mina is the best counter for dana

[valid raft]

She debuffs the defense stats, which is Thorton's gimmick

[stable storm]

what does she not check?

[low coral]

Rose and Poppy are way better for the battle

[valid raft]

And AS Cynthia's B Move can miss

[stable storm]

Yes but I am talking about single unit

[stable storm]

sand fortress

[low coral]

Poppy and Rose individually are way better for the battle

[snow spruce]

She was able to duo Thorton, who even has a bit higher Atk stat than Dana, so yeah
I checked skinnys clear and 100% hp/6 defences ASC could still survive (at ~2%) 2-nd Thorton sync if he is debuffed to -5/-6.

[stable storm]

ss mina counters the most gimmicks for dana tho

[snow spruce]

no, she has PG

[valid raft]

Hmmmm yeah, I forgot

[low coral]

Doesn't mean she's good at it

You still need to deal with accuracy and reliably deal with Zones at multiple times

On top of dealing nearly 1m damage on mid and 500k on sides

[stable storm]

syncing one extra time with ss Mina isn't too bad imo

for acc you can run acuity

[pearl pewter]

the thing about base rose and poppy is that they neither have zone or weather

meaning someone else has to clear it

[fast pendant]

it's ny poppy

[stable storm]

ropalme is talking about ny poppy

[fast pendant]

and base rose has sandstorm

[stable storm]

rose has weather