Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[chilly dawn]

There was no damage at all

[fading walrus]

That's... definitely weird

Unless irida is 1/5

[chilly dawn]

Nope, 3

[paper mural]

I figure you can use Oleana's poison AFTER MR's first tm, then SS Roxie's poison after 70% and try kill him before he uses another tm since the sp. atk all seem quite late.

[chilly dawn]

Bugger all damage and everyone died to second sync

[fading walrus]

Then there's either bad management on your part or no awareness of the gimmicks and moves

[chilly dawn]

I was aware of the gimmicks, icy wind spam and alternating bleakwinds just didn't do much

[fading walrus]

Also you should ideally kill before second sync or run triple Vigilance

Is cheren 1/5

[chilly dawn]

3/5 exr

[fading walrus]

Ok yeah this is definitely a you or tank problem

[chilly dawn]

Idr which tank I was even running for this, it was a while ago

But yeah the gimmicks were managed largely fine

The issue was purely just there was no output

[stable tundra]

That means you let them have positive speed buffs

[chilly dawn]

Nope

They were neutral or negative basically throughout

Speed management and weather are basically the fight's requirements and I had that under control

Cheren just doesn't seem to hit very hard offtype.

... Nor does irida ontype

But the latter is probably just icy wind being shit for damage

[final yacht]

Nemona too

[snow spruce]

Nemona is the first UB that truly fucks Arc Lance, right? (if you dont have terrain/defog on the team)
all his multipliers are 0 if you cant debuff

[fading walrus]

I mean arc lance gets fucked by most UBs as solo unit lol

Like, what reasoning is that

Just run egg leafeon with lance and he doesn't have problems with nemona anymore

[paper mural]

(if you dont have terrain/defog on the team)
That's the part. You shouldn't do that unless you're stubborn with all ubs clear from 1 team.

[shrewd marten]

its undefoggable?

debuffable*

[snow spruce]

I mean Lance has no synergy with any psychic/grassy terrain pairs (and defog pairs suck in general)
all multipliers being debuffs becomes bad in cases like this (also a simple Unbending passive alone mostly achieves the same thing)

[snow spruce]

Nemona sidemon gives her whole team immunity to debuffs while E.Terrain is up

[shrewd marten]

oh i see

[snow spruce]

but the terrain itself should be defoggable as usual

[shrewd marten]

alot of teams will need to get rid of that terrain

no debuff is rough

[paper mural]

Can pair with SS Acerola and stack PMUN for last blow counted as synergy?
Or pair with NC Blue + Mix Red and help max Kanto flag bearer?

[snow spruce]

I still cant believe DeNA thought this Nemona UB was a good idea
from Argenta to this.
electric terrain is probably THE hardest WZT to overwrite out of all 3 types of WZT. At least for psychic/grass you can use your own electric terrains

[fading walrus]

That's like saying "a lot of teams should remove Nita's sand"

Like...duh?

[shrewd marten]

then why bring up the point of it affecting arc lance as if its a problem

if youre gonna do it anyway

[fading walrus]

Exactly

[shrewd marten]

then why are you saying that to me????

[fading walrus]

I just don't get the reasoning

I was agreeing

[warm haven]

You forget that defog works here

[shrewd marten]

well the thing about that is defog units are what

darach

lisia

the other falkner

its not a good list

[fading walrus]

Isn't Falkner electric weak

[warm haven]

And darch also bring atk debuffs, he's not that bad for this

[fading walrus]

Same for darach actually...

[snow spruce]

the main issue with no debuffs is the lack of Atk/SpAtk debuffs to survive.
But if you CAN still survive and your dps dont have to rely on debuffs for multipliers - then its maybe doable
with 0 damage multipliers its definitely not doable

[fading walrus]

[warm haven]

The problem with Nita is not the weather, is the speed debuffs

[paper mural]

Let's wait to see someone mad enough to do ArcLance + Lisia

[fading walrus]

Sand is definitely a problem

[shrewd marten]

its a dragon comp :3

[fading walrus]

If you don't run the crème de la crème top 3/5 teams

Sand is definitely relevant

And same if not worse is for Nemo ET

Which is why I don't even remotely fathom why'd you even think about ET clears when the stage ain't even out

[snow spruce]

and Nemona uses kinda lower BP attacks like Thunder Punch, Swift, Wild Charge, Discharge and has "only" 3264 Atk, so it may indeed be pretty survivable even without Atk/ApAtk debuffs

[warm haven]

For hail + speed debuffs you have irida

And eggmon lapras lol

Nemona will only be a problem for the "all UBs teams" cuz there's plenty of good options for psychic terrain and grassy terrain

[snow spruce]

well most of those good terrain options are limited pairs. for f2p you have OG Bianca and - what else? DC pairs ?
but yeah, Nemona becomes pretty weak without her terrain and Psychic is a strong type with good options

[paper mural]

Also the egg eevolution and Paldea cat.
Imagine bring an eggmon into ubs... oh wait we've done that.

[low coral]

OG Bianca being an option is WAY more than most UBs

[fading walrus]

Ye

[open bay]

is nemona going to resist sleep

cause it'd be funny if she doesn't

NC Rosa sleeplock

[final yacht]

Nemona looks simple to manage

[paper mural]

No ub is sleep lockable. Either they gain resilience so are immune to it for a long while, or totally immune to it in base.

[final yacht]

and no nemona is immune to sleep

so is mr

[snow spruce]

wait, all 3 of them have Team Power Induction ??
-NPC Middle 1-1: 558250 HP (Nemona - Pawmot) - Passive 9: Team Power Induction 7
-NPC Right 2-1: 469700 HP (Street Thug - Toxtricity (Amped Form)) - Passive 6: Team Power Induction 5
-NPC Left 3-1: 469700 HP (Punk Girl - Toxtricity (Low Key Form)) - Passive 6: Team Power Induction 5
so what does that mean? +170% move damage for all 3 of them on every attack ?

[final yacht]

yup

just remove electric terrain

she's probably impossible without that anyway

[snow spruce]

it will be done (with terrain)

Someone always does it

[shrewd marten]

arc duooooo

GOOOO

(last resort use avery lol)

[snow spruce]

dont need Avery, the eggmon with grassy terrain will do
but yeah doing it with terrain is intense, if even possible

[rich heron]

What's this?

[final yacht]

nemona ub

if you dont remove eterrain she wrecks your ass

[rich heron]

Wht

When did it got announced

[fading walrus]

She's only in rally

Like Argenta, palmer and thorton were initially? Iirc

[rich heron]

Oh

[snow spruce]

terrain Nemona is way worse than sun Anabel

[final yacht]

yup

but no terrain nemona looks very simple

you have to apply (and be able to reapply) status changes and deal with def drops

[formal matrix]

How many terrain reset do you need for Nemona?

[rich heron]

They also added all other UB in battle rally

[final yacht]

many

one on entry, one at 60%, one for each time she syncs, one if you let lowkey toxtricity alive for too long

[fading walrus]

Noland on sprint/field round 10 wohooo

[low coral]

With Toxtricity being bulkier than some UB mids

Despite being a side

[formal matrix]

[fading walrus]

470k is definitely wild

[formal matrix]

Can max out Lisia with defog mpr3 work? She does have 259/301 both defense tho (before mega)

[snow spruce]

haze/snatch doesnt work on Team Electric Current, right ?

[final yacht]

it shouldnt

[low coral]

You can, there's really only one thing that's bad about that

Which is that you're using Lisia

[formal matrix]

I’m wait till some crazy Lisia fan in the server figure out a way to win with her

[fading walrus]

That doesn't sound too hard

As long as you have 2 amazing units to compensate

[snow spruce]

Nemonas gimmick is that her sides are almost identical to her
you are fighting 3 Nemonas

[fading walrus]

Don't see a huge deal with that

We have a gazillion S+/Uber tech/strike units

[snow spruce]

so I guess Nemona is not hard to offtype, since just bringing anything with terrains/defog shuts her down hard. And then just use a strong AoE dps
but she will probably become the biggest obstacle for 13/13 UB teams, even more than MR

[formal matrix]

It seems to me that eventually the all UB clear team won’t be realistic anymore. It’s more like whether a core around some certain units can clear all battles, but doesn’t have to stick to the same third

[snow spruce]

True. But we will drag it out as long as possible

[exotic dome]

Let me get this right
Both masked royal and Nemona’s UB (which is likely to be November UB) are poison weak?

Or im missing something, bc Nemona might be psychic weak

[snow spruce]

Nemona is Psychic-weak

[exotic dome]

Ok got it

[low coral]

Pawmot can't be Poison-weak

[fading walrus]

The only parameter that's worth mentioning for UB variance is imo if a unit (not a core) can be effective on the biggest amount of UBs

I don't really get the reasoning behind chasing 11/11 cores when it's always gonna be 2 same units + a splashable variable in most cases

But that's just me

[snow spruce]

Just remembered that Dragapult-Leon has both Piercing Blows and Impervious
yeah he is definitely perfect as 3-rd for the Arc Duo

[warm haven]

best boy

he has aged very well, a shame his EXR tho

[gentle wharf]

Man why is it psychic weak lol

… oh wait there’s two new UBs? Oh ok

1 is. BR only

[low coral]

Nemona isn't too hard

But leans very hard into Terrain control

[gentle wharf]

Hmm… my only terrain user is Anime so this is gonna be tricky lol

But we got two months at least until Nemona drops anyway

[low coral]

How many copies?

[gentle wharf]

1/5

[fading walrus]

Run Bianca

[low coral]

You can go Bianca instead for the MPR

[gentle wharf]

Oh yeah I forgot about Bianca lol

[fading walrus]

Bianca also helps more

With regen and speed buffs

[river prawn]

I'll run Summer Tate steel team for Masked Royal

[fading walrus]

Why not lillie

[river prawn]

no status

[fading walrus]

For the status?

Right

[river prawn]

steel luckily has 3 thunder waves

[low coral]

And none of them are on the Magnezone line

[sour elk]

If only Tate had zone, I'm really eager to see Doom Desire with Steven + Lear

[fading walrus]

Sadly doom desire eats away at circle and zone timer

[warm haven]

its not that bad

and if you really need it you can use TWave saving a lot of time

[river prawn]

Doom desire is like a b move

Animation wise

[fading walrus]

Twave still procs doom desire

Flash cannon isn't especially slow

Doom desire itself is the "problem"

[warm haven]

yeah but without twave animation doom desire is just a normal move

also doom desire is every other hit

[warm haven]

I was bored and did this

It's a 1/5 lear BTW

[snow spruce]

Arc Cynthia, BT Leon, NC Blue - could this team do 13/13 UBs (including the 2 new ones ) ?
-Nita - you have double speed debuffs
-MR - double AoE status, that alone should be enough, even though Blue and Cynthia are ice-weak. With status + fully debuffed MR seems ~easy
-Nemona, dunno if she is even doable like this, but Blue can use his E-repulsion 3 for free here and you have max guard for the sync
its basically like ~Arc Duo, only without Stevens endures

[fast pendant]

Basically like steven without flinches and moves up and his own dmg

[low coral]

Nita and Nemona sound hard

Masked should be winnable unless Blue just falls to turn 1 Triple Axel

[snow spruce]

still have flinches, only 30%. And his flinches are the most important on Nita, where you shouldnt need them so much due to double AoE speed debuffs
Less damage yeah. no PMUNs. Its basically worse than the Steven version, but maybe still doable.
I guess need to try Steven first and then think about using Blue And see if terrain Nemona is even doable at all.

[snow spruce]

The damage is that high from one t1 Triple Axel? Are you gonna tank with Irida or Red if you try Ice team+Blue on MR ?

[low coral]

Probably not high to the point of KOing with Ice Guard

But enough to make you want to Roost

[olive scroll]

Steven should be better than Blue for Nemona, right? While BT Leon has guaranteed status for MR anyway

[snow spruce]

Steven is better in general yeah except for lack of initial guard and status, but Dragapult covers both those

[fast pendant]

What's the point of removing Steven for Blue 'tho

[snow spruce]

just to see if its doable with blue and also something different from Arc Duo
But i have a feeling terrain Nemona might be too much of a filter in general

[formal matrix]

Is there other version with blue but not with arc Cynthia that can do all UBs?

[low coral]

Blue with Ice

Idk if Blue even does it with Arc Cyn in the first place?

[snow spruce]

Arc Cynthia with Blue hasnt done all UBs. Skinny did Anabel duo with them, but otherwise I think it was barely even touched, everyone just uses Steven.
Nita might not even be possible, or extremely difficult
Blue with Ice team should be 11/11, but technically its still missing the Thorton clear.
and the upcoming 2 UBs might filter most/all "all UB" teams out anyway

[craggy wind]

i want to see Ingo and Emmet in the same UB

two rocks that are Steel weak maybe

[neat needle]

What are the other stars

[stable storm]

lore accurate

[tulip stream]

notkukui seems pretty easy if you have geeta

[rich heron]

I have 1/5

Both Geeta and oleana

[peak mist]

just did a new clear on Palmer for lower investment of an existing one.

wasnt even an optimized grid lol

LMAOOO i just realized i had fucking antitoxin on Cynthia instead of WW3

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-risitas-wheezingrisitas-gif-21432588

This was the clear before I went back to record it since I realized it lowered it to 4x candy

prob possible without HS1 cause i even had wrong grid on silver

basically was like "wow cynthia strong, wonder if she can do palmer for me too--OH"

cuz had just used a similar team on giovanni

(just with blue instead of steven bc i didnt have enough debuffs otherwise due to my steven's ML)

[dark dust]

I have question that someone might know

There are very few times where I see Palmer queue Rock Slide post sync instead of Max Move. Why is that?

[rich heron]

It happened with me

He went rock slide instead of max move when I defeated him

[snow spruce]

that should never happen

[rich heron]

It did happem

My red survived his sync ig

Then I killed him

[dark dust]

Ye I remember it happening... once? Twice?

But definitely Rock Slide

Idk why

[spice basin]

Are you sure that wasn't after Max Move where he queued rock slide?

[dark dust]

Nope. I'm sure right after sync

[spice basin]

Strange

[rich heron]

Yes I am sure

[dark dust]

If it was Max Move I would not see it. I would quit the battle before the Max Move hit

[rich heron]

After sync

[lunar sedge]

is this the behavior change they were talking abt like 2 months ago?

thought it was only for Gio UB

[dark dust]

I wish I had screenshot, but it caught me off guard, and Palmer was about to die anyway

But at least it looks like someone else experienced it

[rich heron]

Same
Palmer was abt to die in my case too

Then I killed him

Before rock slide

[hidden basalt]

Where can i find the link for the spreadsheet with all the documented EB clears?

[lunar sedge]

pinned

[hidden basalt]

Thanks!

[fading walrus]

Because it's the queue after max move

And probably the AI knows you're about to kill him and skips max for some reason

[dark dust]

Hmmm maybe I'll try if I can replicate

That happened in BR but I'll see if that happens in regular UB

[fading walrus]

https://youtu.be/J-qtapT2yzc?si=bOB2VNP9firzzRQW

New longest UB match?

Staraptor chilling at 100% hp after 3 mins lol

[sour elk]

They just brute forced through x3 defenses lol, the Thorton clear with that team was also a fun watch

[weary totem]

looking at my psychic options for whenever UB Nemona drops, I assume SS Lana will be a must but between SS Lusamine and Jacq who would do a better job? if we can predict that right now anyway

(not sure if i should focus st explosion or spread them out to kill sides quick when the UB drops)

(i did the rally without much trouble but... yknow, thats rally, way easier)

[stable tundra]

Which support are you going to use with Lana + one of them? And how invested are they?

[weary totem]

sorry had to brb
Lana's currently 2/5 (soon to be 3 with the banner i hope), both of them are 1/5 but I'd be very willing to throw move candies at either

as for the support

probably my 3/5 SS Blue

would use Bellelba but i didnt snatch her sadly

[stable tundra]

SS Blue is not a good tank for UB tho

[weary totem]

hes probably my best bet sadly

him or 3/5 SC Lyra

im kinda weak on support game

praying morty shows up in a few days

im not sure if i willl be able to clear it just

brainstorming for options in the offchance its possible

[stable tundra]

Yeah you need a great tank, and higher investment in both Lana and Jacq/Lusamine to have a shot

[weary totem]

right

i plan to spark SS Mina but depending on how my summons go i could get Lana up there

ty for the help tho!

-# oh also every unit i mentioned is Ex'd + Role when applicable i forgot to mention that oops

[tulip stream]

for nemona it seems like psychic terrain is mandatory

time to bring out velio i guess

when she finally gets released

[peak mist]

Does 1/5 exr ss Steven stand a chance dps wise vs Nemona or should I not bother with on type if that’s my only limited psychic damage?
Think only other psychic I have on damage end of things is anni May who is also only 1/5 so doesn’t do much damage

[snow spruce]

should be fine for ontype. Especially since SS Steven doesnt have sync multipliers anyway

[shrewd marten]

He has brainpower

[snow spruce]

SS steven doesnt have Brainpower, he has Furious Brain (30% move dmg)

(if he had Brainpower he would be way better)

[shrewd marten]

Oh

Oops

[peak mist]

Box other than arc Cynthia being 3/5 instead of 1/5

[true lagoon]

if he had brainpower he would be broken

even with just innate his sync is good

[peak mist]

Also wonder what I’m gonna do for the upcoming masked royal fight. Does he have anything that’d lower how useful Geeta will be?

[mystic lion]

I WILL beat Nita at some point... I can get so close but that Hippowdan is so tough to deal with.

[rotund oasis]

how much %hp did it have?

[marble portal]

woot

[naive lotus]

2nd UB down

So far i took out darach and lucy

[errant kite]

[fading walrus]

No NC blue?

[errant kite]

skip

[stable tundra]

turned out she doesn't need the cake at all

[fading walrus]

Didn't know you were a Steven fan

[errant kite]

It will be much easier with the cake this took a lot of investment LMAO

[errant kite]

i like him a lot more than Blue

[high harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK2Zg4qPxNY is this team doable with dojo glora instead of champion serena?

[errant kite]

I forgot to add my name to the Diantha vid submission but I have a feeling Mael will know it's me

[fading walrus]

Probably yea

It's gonna be close tho I feel

[final yacht]

Hum

Im not updating this doc

Sooooo

Your ytb name is Tai so it's fine, there's nowhere to put your name in the submission anyway

[errant kite]

perfect

[rotund oasis]

o.o

[shrewd marten]

He’s free lol

[lunar sedge]

Quick question can Nemona remove any applied status change at specific point?

[stoic lake]

looks like it gets removed when she syncs and every status change but rebuff gets removed when the sides use their item

[lunar sedge]

Ok good to know rebuff does not get removed

[stoic lake]

it does when nemona syncs

[snow spruce]

she doesnt remove rebuff on % endure, only on her own sync

[stoic lake]

also typo i assume?

maybe not since evelyn has the same idk

[fading walrus]

So ig it's an Argenta scenario where you either spam teeter dance or save a second rebuff for post sync

[stoic lake]

a lot of them have weird ones actually (giovanni)

[lunar sedge]

Doesn't the teeter dance apply the fighting rebuff?

[snow spruce]

those all looks like typos

[stoic lake]

typos are only on giovanni, evelyn, and nemona then

[snow spruce]

if you are using psychic team with NC Rosa and P.terrain then you are probably killing Nemona before she syncs anyway

[stoic lake]

whats the best psychic team?

nc rosa obv

who else?

[lunar sedge]

SS Lana and probably Steven

[stoic lake]

makes sense

[lunar sedge]

Tbh I think the third can be anyone

Psychic is a strong type

[stoic lake]

is 5/5 lear or 5/5 ss steven better now though...

[snow spruce]

Lear

[lunar sedge]

Lear is stronger

Rising tide + innate vs innate rising tide

[fading walrus]

Yeah

[stoic lake]

striker exr seems like just enough to beat ss steven

[fading walrus]

Lear nukes way harder but has very worse dps

[stoic lake]

idk how the dps is comparatively though

yeah he doesnt have any multipliers for that dps

i lied

10%

[snow spruce]

its worse, but not THAT much worse .. Lear mostly just has lower move BP
also Lears sync accel is way better

[fading walrus]

It's quite worse

Furious brain + better base BP + power combo

[stoic lake]

its about half as good

assuming you dont pick up supereffective 1

[stable storm]

do the sides have et btw

[stoic lake]

yes

1 side does

[stable storm]

Lear gives team inperv for nemona debuffs

[stoic lake]

lear or ss lear

[stoic lake]

oh wait he also has furious brain nvm

[fading walrus]

174 BP Vs 314

So yeah 40-45% stronger without accounting the power combo odds

[stable storm]

both

[stoic lake]

where does lear have that

[fading walrus]

It's very short tho

[stable storm]

Still useful

[stoic lake]

oh

tmove

[fading walrus]

He doesn't

Steven has furious brain

[stable storm]

Lear does as well

[fading walrus]

On an impossible tile

To pick up

Yes

[stable storm]

lemme check

[stoic lake]

this is the grid i was using

no soften up though

[fading walrus]

Oh yeah, no soften up and no stat block

The worst kind of lear grid

[stoic lake]

is stat block necessary though

[fading walrus]

It definitely is

Unless you can consistently guarantee block all buffs

[low coral]

Lear often doesn't run Furious Brain

So yeah, his DPS is basically half of Steven's

[stoic lake]

thats fair, but i was just saying he had it lol

[stable storm]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/6600/72000?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggVGBkdHyIsLi8x

[low coral]

Also, buff block is necessary because that's a plain good effect

Even beyond nuke consistency

Having it as a reappliable effect is very strong

[stable storm]

I don't pick up soften up much

[stoic lake]

oh yeah, i forgot about that innate wanting no stats

especially bad since its aoe

[fading walrus]

Yep

[snow spruce]

can work .. but soften-up is prly better

[fading walrus]

If we ever get an UB

With like

Haste and speedy entry 1

[stable storm]

how is soften up better?

[fading walrus]

That makes lear useless

Lol

[stoic lake]

more consistent but its not required imo

[snow spruce]

not everyone is a reset maniac

[fading walrus]

Soften up is definitely better

[stable storm]

gambling is fun

[fading walrus]

You don't wanna play perfectly and lose because last sync does 60% lol

[stoic lake]

tbf, how many times do you plan on syncing with lear in that battle

[stable storm]

I don't pick up soften up personally

[snow spruce]

if we get an UB with Unbending - Arc Lance is almost useless
(forgive me Lancebros)

if we get an UB with Terra Firma 10 - Arc Cynthia is useless

[fading walrus]

By the same reasoning, why trying to boost a mediocre DPS by 30% by risking losing the point of the unit

[stable storm]

I mean the effects of soften up can be achieved by resetting

[fading walrus]

That furious brain won't likely make a fight different

[fading walrus]

And furious brain is almost irrelevant

[stable storm]

The 30% boost can't be achieved by resetting

[fading walrus]

As lear needs to often snatch to keep block up

[stable storm]

in the ub clears I have seen it seemed relevant

[fading walrus]

It do be almost useless tho

[fading walrus]

I haven't seen many with it myself

Most of the JP ones don't run it

[stable storm]

Have you seen the 9 ub clear by Avery Lear rosa

[stoic lake]

avery sweep 💀

[stable storm]

Iirc that was running furious brain

I think Lear Avery did every ub as well

[fading walrus]

I literally posted it here myself

Iirc

[stable storm]

It had furious brain I think

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/6600/72000?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBggVGBkgIiwtLjEz

what about this?

[fading walrus]

https://youtu.be/U5yiT1sNEJ4?si=UzOBUNxV5DPiG8g7

4/4 (Anabel, gio, Palmer, Nita)

Don't run it

To make an example

[paper mural]

Lear should 100% pick Snatch mpr in most build since opponent buff once = 3 opponents have buff. 2 uses of Snatch is not enough in most battles.

[fading walrus]

Yep

You'll want mpr in MOST cases

Not always

[stable storm]

Doesn't this fit in mpr and furious brain?

[fading walrus]

Furious brain doesn't impact the output enough to be considered

Because unlike Steven you're not clicking DPS every literal turn and the base output is lower

Again, you're sacking consistency in soften up

And nuke

That's definitely not worth lol

[stable storm]

what's the passive popping up after each lear hyperspace hole ?

[paper mural]

CS2.

[stable storm]

ohhh

[fading walrus]

Yep

You can see "2"

That automatically rules out furious brain

[paper mural]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/6600/72000?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=13010602&g=AAECAwQFDQ4UFRYZIyUsLS4x
This is what they really used btw.

[fading walrus]

Yeah you can see it

In the vid

[low coral]

People often skip it because Lear is often strongly attached to Avery

You don't really see Lear much without him

[fading walrus]

Even without him, lear rather picks an extra sync tile

Over furious brain

Like so

[low coral]

Eh, not picking both is more so a grid energy choice

One sync tile isn't worth it

The priority is always one MPR regardless, and then the 2nd if you can afford

[snow spruce]

so without Avery - Lear just spend his turns spamming snatch instead of hyperhole ?

[low coral]

Without Avery, Lear's success in general goes down

[fading walrus]

Yeah I agree

[low coral]

But no, he doesn't spam

[stable storm]

without Avery I feel he doesn't appear much

[low coral]

The shield still stays for some turns

[fading walrus]

Not really

[stable storm]

*without Avery

[fading walrus]

But you'll snatch once per cycle

Circa

[snow spruce]

only on center ? so sides would have reduced sync dmg after the block runs out ?

[stable storm]

I am so happy Lear got buff block on snatch

[low coral]

Yes

[fading walrus]

Which hinders DPS

[fading walrus]

Without he'd be incredibly worse

[low coral]

But like I mentioned, Lear's success in general goes down without Avery, it's really the core that's very strong

Not Lear in particular or Avery in particular

[stable storm]

Lear didn't get shafted

[low coral]

Even if Lear himself still is hella good

[stable storm]

Lear is doing quite well for a pre 2nd anni unit

is any pre second anni unit doing as well as him rn

[fading walrus]

Well DeNa definitely plays favourites

Nothing new

[low coral]

No, but Lear is basically the last pre-2nd anni unit released lol

[fading walrus]

^

Also I'd say there's a good amount of pre 2 Anni units who aren't as great but still very good

[paper mural]

Avery only debuff not haze. If the opponet buff more than what he debuff you still need snatch.

[stable storm]

Thank god Lear is a Dena favourite

[low coral]

He applies the buff block again

So you extend the duration in practice

[fading walrus]

His buddy has this

Applies the No Stat Increases effect to the opponent’s field of play.

Which synergizes

Less snatch, less mpr needed, less buffing in general

Along Avery debuffs

It rarely means opponents get to buff anything

[low coral]

He also already constantly debuffs both offenses and the B will give -3 Def, Sp. Def, and Evasion

[stable storm]

is Lear>Lussa safe to say now?

[low coral]

If the enemy even managed to get a buff in, it's very unlikely they'll maintain them after Avery's B

Because 4 defensive buffs in one turn is not normal

[fading walrus]

Well yeah?
Three times the nuke was already enough to say that

As lussa was never a DPS god

[fading walrus]

Actually nvm 1.6 times

I forgot about SEUP on first sync

[paper mural]

Snatch: Move: No Stat ↑ on Field 9 needs "the move is successful", so you actually needs them buff once to use it.
In UB almost all buffs are aoe, so 1 use of buff move = 3 opponents need to be debuffed.
Avery only debuff def, spdef and eva, so he has no way to get rid of atk, spatk and speed buffs.

[low coral]

He does

He debuffs Atk and SpA on hit

Only Speed is not available

[fading walrus]

Yep

[paper mural]

Oh 4/5 grid. I didn't pay attention to Avery's grid and only checked his bmove.

[fading walrus]

Yeah hit spa/atk ↓ is one of his best tiles

[uncut drum]

Fire team can beat Giovanni too

[low coral]

Wasn't it done before with Blue already?

I feel like it got into replays once

But idr if Anni N as well regardless

[uncut drum]

Not with this team

[low coral]

So still nice to see it

[uncut drum]

I'm uploading soon

[short pawn]

What is the easiest un battle i wanna try 1 but i am not sure which one

[lunar sedge]

Lucy by far

You can check the pinned for successful teams

All you really need to know is to keep her speed buff in check and poison is easily mitigated by antitoxin lucky skill

[short pawn]

Ok thank You! Maybe a full heal pair? Or she does it often?

[lunar sedge]

all of the attacks are guaranteed to poison

[short pawn]

Ouch ok antitoxin it is

Oh! Maybe ss lear?

He makes the team inmune to status or she ignores that?

[lunar sedge]

SS Lear himself is immune but the team immunity is only active if you have pasio circle up

keep that in mind

[short pawn]

Ooh ok i read his skill the wrong way thank you

[fading walrus]

1/5 exr 1/5 exr 3/5 exr

Pretty fun Evelyn trio ngl

[neat needle]

How many copies of each?

[peak mist]

3/5 silver and cynthia, 1/5 steven

[neat needle]

Lmao nvm

[peak mist]

the main requirement is 3/5 cynthia

1/5 silver might be able to do it, theoretically

cyn was the main dps tho

[neat needle]

I have 1/5

[uncut drum]

https://youtu.be/pzu6WBpgwgI

Fire Team VS Giovanni

[shrewd marten]

Pretty good

[low coral]

Nice

[earnest panther]

So Nemona, Masked Royale, Leon, Nita, Evelyn, Giovanni, and Noland were added to rally,

[low coral]

Is it already on this rotation or only on Monday?

[stable tundra]

There are proofs of them showing up when you start a new run after the update

They couldn't wait until 1st Oct

[low coral]

Oh, nice, did anyone record any of them?

Might as well all of my tickets tomorrow, as I had excess

[stable tundra]

I don't think so, all i have seen are screenshots so far

[stable storm]

so man gems gone?

[neat needle]

Will I be able to beat Evelyn with this team?

[stable tundra]

There is only one way to know: try it

[rich heron]

True

[snow spruce]

the poison UB team is literally triple pokefair - Oleana, SS Roxie, SS Mina
so they all get more stats/power and new passive soon

most other teams are unaffected since they're stuffed with Arcs and MFs
i guess Ice team-Chase gets 1 new passives
and anni Skyla

[paper mural]

Technically mfs are fairs too.

[snow spruce]

the new thing is only for pokefairs (for now)

[tulip jolt]

Does this have a good chance of working out without some more move levels? I’ll probably get Cynthia to 3/5 soon and it should be not too bad with that, but atm I’ve got mewtwo to like 20% hp

[paper mural]

We only say this bc 5/5 grids never happened on master fair YET, but since they somehow don't say "pokefair" exclusive but "fair" exclusive and arcsuit "fair" also get 5/5 grid makes me doubt it.

[snow spruce]

no, this is definitely only for pokefairs, no question. Fair-exclusive means pokefairs only in DeNA-speak
Masterfairs will probably get 5/5 grids, but later

[rich heron]

How do I beat Noland with Lana, falkner and sstr or someone

I saw a video of lana, falkner and og blue
Someone sent here

[stable tundra]

You need to follow the video exactly to know when to use Wide Guard / Fly

[rich heron]

Oh

[stable tundra]

And the investments need to be the same as or higher than the example team, ofc

[low coral]

Noland's fight is very scripted

So there's not much for error as long as you follow them

[stable tundra]

The rng mostly comes from Wide Guard and Fly mpr refresh procs

[low coral]

Every move of his will pretty much always do the same damage, and he'll always use the exact same moves

[rich heron]

After a sync
Use wide guard
After second
Use fly

And so on

Wide guard not much mp problem
But fly

[low coral]

Fly has 3 MP and is generally a bit less important than Wide Guard

So the MP limitation is indeed far more into Wide Guard

[paper mural]

Even the pure genpool lineup used exactly 3 Fly only. Yes Fly mpr is just not needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cdr7c64OWE

[shrewd marten]

What new thing?

[stable tundra]

You should read the latest dev letter

[rich heron]

I didn't understand wht is written there

[fading walrus]

You should just focus on gameplay dw

It's a free to play clear of noland

[rich heron]

Oh ok

[rich heron]

I will use it for my steven multi

[rich heron]

I will try without ex lana first

[paper mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smdspoqBNqs
Masked Royal in br. We can see his move sequence and have better idea of how often he clear his status now.

Delay Oleana's max move until he uses his trainer move is prob better for SS Mina's team imo.

[snow spruce]

I think you delay any limited status application, like oleana, ss roxie, SST red etc.
only pairs like BT leon can afford to use their status right away and then reapply. NC blue rng discharge also

also IMO all 3 Ice team variants will do MR, doesnt seem so bad.
terrain Nemona will be the brutal one

[cobalt cliff]

I could defeat Thorton with this team

[shell aurora]

Whats the next easiest battle after lucy, darach, and argenta?

[native shard]

if you have 3/5 lana, a strong damage dealer and any fly user (of the f2p options, i liked nita most), noland is easy but relies on rng for wide guard refreshes

palmer is also pretty straightforward, basically just a raw dps check so there are quite a variety of comps that work

[hearty cedar]

Thorton is kinda easy if you have a bulky support

[shell aurora]

I have 3/5 as steven, but it seems like i dnt have enough dmg? My best dmg dealer is 3/5 as cynthia ( or would 3/5 ss hilda + 5/5 mix blue be better)

[native shard]

mix blue is very good into thorton, who requires both physical and special damage and is weak to fire. ss hilda is great as well

[hearty cedar]

Ss hilda and mix blue are indeed way better for that stage

Steven + hilda + almost anyone would melt thorton's stage

[shell aurora]

I see thank you

Ideally for this stage im not letting thorton sync at all correct?

[valid onyx]

I-

[rotund oasis]

there is a clear for them iirc o.o

[valid onyx]

Yeah I looked at the doc and YouTube videos too but idk what I did wrong, maybe it's because my Steven only 1/5? •́⁠ ⁠ ⁠‿⁠ ⁠,⁠•̀

Already gave Steven adrenaline 1 and CS 2 for both Lillie and Lear (⁠〒⁠﹏⁠〒⁠)

[stable tundra]

Skill gears might matter

[peak mist]

whats the gimmick in the new bc?

[lunar sedge]

Wise entry x2

Not sure if there's any other

[peak mist]

so geeta can prob answer the stage?

[lunar sedge]

Absolutely

[peak mist]

shes the only paldean i have other than bc nemo

[lunar sedge]

I did mine with Larry, if he destroys it then Geeta is annihilating it

[loud adder]

Could NC Leaf, SS Morty and insert 3rd unit here beat Evelyn? That UB's practically drowning in Arc Suit runs and I wanna try it out.

[loud adder]

My SS Wally is 1/5 EX-R but could do well.

[valid onyx]

Oh true, I don't have the steel type gears used by those YouTubers 🥲
Oh welp, time to yellow feather gacha it is to max my stats 🪶 !

Thanks Gakon senpai XD

[young trellis]

Anyone rolled the Nemona ultimate battle yet?

[rotund oasis]

in BR? ask there o.o

[rich heron]

Wht was masked royal UB gimmick again coz I got him in battle rally

[lunar sedge]

defensive status are tripled if no status conditon is afflicted
all attacks are powered up when the attack, special attack and speed stats are buffed
able to cleanse status condition when they use any trainer move

[covert marlin]

so status condition and stat drop is the key

[lunar sedge]

yeah but you need to reapply condition at some point

[high harbor]

Im trying 1/5 arc steven with ss roxie and oleana against evelyn, still not enough

[high harbor]

freaking latios survived at 6% health cuz one roxie sync didnt crit on him

[loud adder]

Could NC Red, Irida and Arc Steven beat Anabel (Steven is 1/5)? I tried this team and it did pretty well for the most part until Entei almost OHKO'd Red in one Bulldoze thanks to an unlucky crit.

[low coral]

How many copies on Red and Irida?

If Steven's the only 1/5, yes, they 100% can

[loud adder]

3/5 on both with +6E. Red is even caked.

[low coral]

How were you queuing? Anabel has way too much HP

Red should defeat her before 2nd sync

[stable storm]

could ss mina, nc cheren and ss lear do nita?

only ub I have left rn

[low coral]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/28500/47100?s=5&l=150&r=6&p=0&a=13016303&g=AAECAwQFExQVGBkdICI
Run this on Irida

Actually, no, get Satisfied Snarl, since your Steven can't debuff offense

[stable storm]

I will 3/5 my cheren soon if the clear is feasible(Ik I shouldn't candy for an ub but I really wanna do all ubs)

[low coral]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/3/14400?s=5&l=150&r=6&p=0&a=13016303&g=AAECAwQFDA8fISIkKCstLi8&x=true
And this on Red

[stable storm]

Nita has been terrorising me everytime I tried to clear her with other teams....

[loud adder]

Sync with Steven first, then set Ice Zone + Hail immediately after Anabel's first sync. Quadqueues aren't working well thanks to Triage Tank.

Thank you for the grids. I'll try them out.

I'm running WW3 on Red, HS1 on Irida and Flameproof on Steven. Is that okay?

[fading walrus]

Consider ww3 on irida

Idk why so many people run HS1 on her when her side damage is so key in a lotta clears

[loud adder]

Duly noted.

How should I time Red's freezes?

[hearty cedar]

My clear with 1/5 steven and no head starts

[snow spruce]

rock slide instead of max move?

[fading walrus]

Happens often because AI knows it's gonna KO

So it doesn't queue max move

Been a thing since they updated the AI for Giovanni I think?

[stable storm]

do any of the new ubs have special ai

I got nemona on my rally vh 10 so I can test for special ai on her if she's not been tested already

[gentle wharf]

Fought Kukui in rally, as expected Robust Physique

What wasn’t expected was the Crit Next from the sides LMAO

[snow spruce]

after his sync ? or when?

[stable storm]

has nemona rotation been tested already

[gentle wharf]

It was too chaotic for me to remember, but someone else in #1009564564821639379 has their Oleana died to it

[valid onyx]

Did you manage to do 3 sync here?

[tacit hatch]

re. the PSA about the paldea challenge battle, is it doable with DC nemona?

[stable storm]

what are the partners

[tacit hatch]

uh

I've not looked at the battle yet admittedly i just saw the message

but I've got the unova NC 3/5, nc blue, arc steven etc...

[lunar sedge]

It's just WEx2 and endurance on mid

[tacit hatch]

oh alright so a good physical dmg dealer then?

[lunar sedge]

Yeah pretty much

[tacit hatch]

waitt

i see you need two paldea pairs 💀

i get it now

darn i was tossing up pulling ss nemona

that's so annoying 😔

[lunar sedge]

Yeah it's rough out there

Really should've at least given us another accessible Paldea option before this 😭

[tacit hatch]

why did she have to leave before ss lear

this is going to be the first battle challenge mission I'll fail in a good long while

and quite possibly the first one that's completely locked behind limited units??? i think 4th anni was hard but doable if i remember correctly (?)

or am i wrong

and this is after they changed the mission system to lock the gems behind full completion

[stable storm]

hard but doable

[tacit hatch]

the f2p non paldea puller experience

i was genuinely considering Nemona too like

[lunar sedge]

😭

[lunar sedge]

Yeah 4th anni EBE was doable

Albeit requires heavy investment and even then there's still some rng element in the play

Easily the worst stage they have ever come up with

[tacit hatch]

a f2p clear for insane people, yup

that's what i remember about it

I'm pretty sure i had trouble back then even with 1/3 nc kantrio

[lunar sedge]

Real ones remembers when the f2p section of that EBE was just one huge LOL

[tacit hatch]

though that was partially skill issue probably

[lunar sedge]

I had one too for the EBE even then I still need to do a run with little room for error, having pretty specific enemy having to be taken down first

[tacit hatch]

genuinely a little salty about this honestly what if i don't want to pull paldea pairs... like i have nothing against the region and might pull eventually but i don't like how obviously they're pulling the FOMO here

ah well maybe I'm just being hyperbolic

I'll stop there pretty sure this is the wrong channel for that anyway

[stable storm]

fortunenately we have only ever had 1 unf2pable ebe

[lunar sedge]

Oh which one was that?

[stable storm]

one of the unova nc part 2 ebes

[lunar sedge]

Was it the one for Bianca?

[stable tundra]

The one with Hilbert iirc

[rich heron]

Oh wrong channel

[fading walrus]

Oh that's funny

Poor articuno got sliced

[valid raft]

Imagine that above 60% HP

[fading walrus]

That would be 60k right?

[valid raft]

105k+

[warm haven]

And that's just 1 of the 2 uses

[valid raft]

2nd use has less PMUN

[shrewd marten]

Wow that’s big dammy

So he was given the gigabroke kit to compensate for few fans?

Unless he’s popular and I just never knew

[valid raft]

Let's just see how all the other Team Star members will compare to him when they arrive here

[warm haven]

tell that to greta

[shrewd marten]

She’s the odd one out okay

[warm haven]

||Clavell too||

[shrewd marten]

I think every other obscure unit got a kit 3 times better than her

Clavell doesn’t look NEARLY as bad my guy

Also I thought he was decently popular

[valid raft]

Clavell is decently popular as Clive Rosfield

[warm haven]

i would have pulled for clive honestly

thats a cool guy

[valid raft]

https://tenor.com/view/ff16-ffxvi-clive-gif-4757114511120333583

[fading walrus]

He's pretty popular

Not as much as Mela and Eri sure

But he's the male of star with more fans imo

[shrewd marten]

Seriously team star has fans?

Actually why am I surprised

Of course they have fans

[shrewd marten]

[fading walrus]

Bruh

Eri and Mela are some of the best SV designs

Star road music themes are bangers

And they have the fun raid + boss gimmick in msg

They're pretty iconic

Also, bullying subplot goes hard in 202x

[fading walrus]

Kabu got the reverse

Extremely popular

Meh kit

[spiral summit]

Yeah, me included

not name Ortega ofc, that kid is anoying

[fading walrus]

Ostrega

[warm haven]

Volo was the biggest victim of being popular

[fading walrus]

Atticus is also amazing

[fading walrus]

Absolutely no?

[snow spruce]

Volo MF will be busted

[fading walrus]

His kit is funny af

It's not garbage

[warm haven]

He is

A funny garbage that's true

A field unit that eats the fields uptime

[fading walrus]

Absolutely not?

[spiral summit]

But but, Metronome

[snow spruce]

Volo is kinda usable, thats it

[fading walrus]

Volo is a gimmick fun unit

Just because he's not minmax doesn't mean he sucks

[spiral summit]

If only he had different cake, he’d be better

[fading walrus]

Yeah, wish he was supp ex

Or sprint

[warm haven]

That's true, he literally got the worst option

[fading walrus]

I lost my screenshot of him doing 120k in csmm 3k vs bug weak nooo

[boreal abyss]

Me too Mr spheal

[fading walrus]

He was the beta tester for NC Bianca and Lear solidarity enhancement and I like him

It's not like his ALTs are gonna suck anywsy

• he's gonna eventually land in lodge

Oh

Right

[warm haven]

oh yeah his alt is gonna be something big

[fading walrus]

He already did

I forgot because I 1k him in 2 months

Fastest lodge 1k ever

[lunar sedge]

Teruo Taniguchi my beloved

or Giacommo himself in universe

[spiral summit]

I just hope they wont come out too fast

My gems cant keep up with it

[lunar sedge]

Who's ready for Eri next month for HSE

[spiral summit]

I wont bc i still need to get 2 more Paldea in this month

[boreal abyss]

And I won't because I quit HSE

Ez

[fading walrus]

Yeah NGL I immediately thought this

My other option was

[stable storm]

do we have fighting weak ub yet

[warm haven]

sada and turo *

[fading walrus]

Peony (steel) Mustard (mienshao/fighting urshifu dark)

[spiral summit]

Palmer

[stable storm]

oh right that guy

[lunar sedge]

Shush that's for December

NC Hoenn and Alola who?

[stable storm]

I'd pull eri if she appeared

My fighting is garbage rn

[warm haven]

nah fighting and electric weakness on the last weak this month

[stable storm]

Oh wait

....

[fading walrus]

Oh I found it, thank god I know how to browse my #1010274591601598555 pics

Funny aaaah bug DPS volo

❌

[fading walrus]

Yeah I doubt we're getting any steel unit next month

Feel like the steel part of HSE is there literally to compensate the fact we got 2 giga op Anni steel units + a Uber tier steel freebie but basically no content made for them

[shrewd marten]

Muahahahaha

[loud adder]

@low coral This is the farthest I could get. Got any tips?

[low coral]

Honestly, maybe replacing Arc Steven

Idt he's an ideal unit there

[loud adder]

The next big thing is either SS Kris or Morty.

I've got 3 general candies though and another on the way...could he do better at a higher move level?

[shrewd marten]

Who at a higher move level

[loud adder]

Steven

He's only 1/5 EX-R in that battle.

[shrewd marten]

Did you get flinches

[loud adder]

Yeah but queuing in between the flinches was next to impossible.

[shrewd marten]

You don’t need to queue in between them

Just use iron head last

And you essentially advance 2 actions

[dim lance]

I missed 2 sync crits

1/5 exr Steven too, more investment makes it easier

The gauge isn't even bad lol

[formal matrix]

Write an in-game response to ask them to add innate sync crit rate up for Rose as well

[dim lance]

On Lillie, not rose

Granted I could be dumb and realize that Rose's sync is actually stronger than Lillie's lol

[fading walrus]

Subbing out rose is definitely better

[dim lance]

...the point is to use Rose

I already cleared everything ages ago lol

[fading walrus]

How can I know lol

[dim lance]

True

[fading walrus]

Also I'm pretty sure Lillie's sync is still stronger than his

At least under zone

Implying Offtype

[dim lance]

680 x 1.5

Vs 500 x 2.5

[fading walrus]

Ok rose is barely stronger if DF is up

[dim lance]

It's actually about the same lmao, mostly because Lillie has higher attack but Rose has higher BP

Ye

[fading walrus]

DF is extremely fickle tbh so idk how worth it even is to grid him for sync

[dim lance]

Mine is exr +10E so I can get it all anyway

[fading walrus]

Especially since sides won't be a problem anyway with 2 extend range dps

[sour elk]

Damn 5/5 Rose, you're in for a treat when he gets the new upgrade thingy for PFs

[dim lance]

I have about 13 5/5s

On fairs

So yes, am hoping they got good stuff

[sour elk]

Would that mean you would like him less if he gets too good?

[dim lance]

And most of them are favs

Probably

I don't enjoy playing reds despite him being a fav character wise

Not Cynthia either, yuck

I invest in things often considered meh

[high harbor]

I have 3/5 arc cynthia,3/5 nc silver and 1/5 arc steven
is this enough to beat thorton?
I tried against giovanni and got nuked

[dim lance]

Lysandre and Anabel are the other two fairs that I have exr +10 E, hue

[fading walrus]

Well

Cyn is ice weak

And the first 40% resist phys

[sour elk]

Anabel 5/5 seems great but that's too much investment for me

[fading walrus]

I'd sub silver for a special unit

[high harbor]

UBs I still gotta beat: anabel, thorton, giovanni, leon, nita and evelyn

[high harbor]

3/5 nc red?

[fading walrus]

That team can probably beat Anabel easily

.... actually

Ugh

Idk about 1/5 stevrn

[fading walrus]

Sure why not

You get stun that way too

I can even test that myself clear wise

[high harbor]

Im 2 coins away from making him 2/5

[fading walrus]

Goddamn

[fading walrus]

Won't change much...

He's a 4/5 or 1/5 unit

[high harbor]

égua criatura

[fading walrus]

Sadly

[high harbor]

damn

[shrewd marten]

You’re telling me a free unit really is as good as a fully invested pokefair of the corresponding type

Holy moly

[fading walrus]

Well one of the two has extend range dc9, flinch and 3 coverage options+ quite higher DPS and Striker nuke

The other has utility debuffs instead, zone and ST sync

The thing with Lillie is how well she goes with Steven, which makes them a pretty insane base core

[low coral]

Idk why that's such a surprise

Lillie's not even the all-time high for free units

There was a time where stuff like Cyrus and Sycamore were straight up top tier

[fading walrus]

Yeah syca was so good people thought him and lys were swapped out by mistake between banner and event pair

Cyrus literally blew everyone out of their mind

"damn ok he's pretty good let's check the skills"

cs9

https://tenor.com/view/skull-explode-gif-25528415

[shrewd marten]

Because the base power level has moved so much since then

Being of similar power level back then has way different connotations cuz back then pokefairs were premium

And well they’re not not premium but the tippy top is arc and master

[final yacht]

And sycamore is still really good

Cyrus not so much, but definitely great

[high harbor]

I almost beat giovanni with arc cynthia, arc steven and oleana, but the lack of sandstorm mp refresh on cynthia ruins the run

[marble portal]

To anyone who’s been using Oleana with UB clears: Does she really need higher levels?

I’ve generally been using her as a massive debuffer

[fading walrus]

She definitely wants 3/5

At least

Her nuke is crazy

And her DPS is legit

[high harbor]

same, mine's only 1/5

[marble portal]

I’ve been considering upping her, but idk to 3 or 4/5.

[fading walrus]

3/5 is usually enough imo

[marble portal]

4 has Ruthless Toxin for more debuffing

[fading walrus]

Ruthless is rarely worth it

Imo

As she already covers -18 debuffs

[marble portal]

So just Venom Drench?

[fading walrus]

Which is the max range for power play

Also

[marble portal]

And I guess that rly isn’t needed if I run someone like Arc Steven.

[fading walrus]

Her partners also cover other stats

Like Geeta and SS Roxie

[marble portal]

I don’t have Roxie up yet.

And I don’t even have Geeta

Does Roxie need Oleana to function?

[fading walrus]

They complement each others

[marble portal]

I could take both of them up higher, but I don’t have SS Mina who I’m pretty sure is in that team.

[fading walrus]

It's not about "working" or not working

[marble portal]

Didn’t someone do every UB with Oleana/Roxie/Mina?

[fading walrus]

They just work really well

[fading walrus]

Yea

[marble portal]

Don’t have Mina so idk what the ideal complement is. Prob Arc Steven since he’s my best, but he ain’t 4/6.

4/5*

[fading walrus]

Mina is just a different unit overall

Albeit he can definitely work perfectly fine too

[marble portal]

My UBs normally have NC Rosa but Steven should be better by far for this.

[fading walrus]

Depends as Rosa gets Omni stat boosts and SMUN

Also 2 different rebuffs

And sleep

[high harbor]

1/5 arc steven and 3/5 sst red
who can be the 3rd member to beat leon?

[uncut drum]

Anni Lillie 2024 can duo Lucy with 1/5 EX R Arc Steven

[paper mural]

If you mean all UBs no ArcSteven can't replace SS Mina bc without weather change poison core is impossible to beat sun Anabel and sand Nita, but in most UBs Arc Steven will do fine ig.

[rotund oasis]

wrong channel.

[tulip stream]

whoops

[north chasm]

https://youtu.be/JnDp_vCUaQg?si=q0biGQ1Kx4sHo6fz if anyone wants to see what nemonas fight is like

tldw its hard

she removes rebuff everytime she syncs

and you need status change or else her defenses are tripled

they obviously want you to use c rosa and spam teeter dance (my bonus was strike/tech tho )

i needed mpizza (the GOAT item) to clear this

[paper mural]

Terrain is a way scarier filter than weather for all the "1 team clear all ubs" challenge.

[marble portal]

ABOUT TIME

[vernal sluice]

Rosa only take care of the status change, you still need a psyhic or grassy terrain setter. I think even Arc Steven can't tank her under ET.

[north chasm]

you are probably correct

and it HAS to be terrain

weather doesnt work, zone doesnt work

defog could work... but all defog units suck

definitely another very restrictive UB

oh i didnt even mention she debuffs both your defenses with each hit... hope your tank has impervious lol!

i think ss lana c rosa and arc steven will probably be the best team for this

replace arc steven with any impervious tank

[vernal sluice]

Why Arc Steven and not SS Steven? Feel like SS Steven with lana and Rosa can probably pre-sync.

[paper mural]

NC Rosa + Lear + Avery can do it fine imo.

[vernal sluice]

Arc Cynthia has trap so she'll probably do fine with Arc Steven and a terrain setter.

[north chasm]

the issue is nemona debuffing defenses with each hit

like if rosa spams teeter dance her def is fine but her sp def will suffer and then the overdrives come out

[paper mural]

Doesn't NC Rosa +1 def & spdef every pm move including sing or teeter dance?

[vernal sluice]

Rosa has stalwart.

Oh yeah her buff work with sing and teeter dance too.

[north chasm]

she buffs her def every move in pirouette form and sp def every move in aria forme

honestly forgot she has stalwart on her grid, yeah if she stays pirouette form and spams teeter dance and is gridded for stalwart she should be ok

and ss steven would be a good third for her and ss lana

[paper mural]

She has NC Blue kind of passive in her grid. Every move +1 def & spdef.

[rich heron]

Noland deals a set amount of dmg?

[north chasm]

not quite how it works

these are the passives

also the move has to be successful... so i guess spamming teeter dance wont work. though you should only need to reapply after syncs

[vernal sluice]

She has team stoic and team force field in grid.

[paper mural]

I'm talking about these 2 tiles. I believe pratically everyone will use these 2 tiles in ubs.

[north chasm]

bruhhh ok i forgot about these tiles too thats on me

[paper mural]

I mean everyone deal a set amount of dmg if they use the same move, have the same buff and don't roll crit.
It's just Noland is more obvious bc after his 1st sync you'll always only see his sync dmg after that.

[marble portal]

as a non NC Leaf owner what's the best way around Thorton

think that might be the "easiest" remaining UB for me

[formal matrix]

Who do you have

[marble portal]

will be 3/5ing Morty at reset

[formal matrix]

Anni N and alt Gloria is good for this battle.

Try ss Morty tank

[marble portal]

ah, will try after reset

since again, Morty will be 3/5 with the stone exchange giving the 20th support coin

[formal matrix]

Try to kill side first with N’s aoe move. And see if your team can survive Thorton’s first sync. If they can’t then use noble roar from N to increase the survive chance. Thorton has 3x physical defense at first 40% of HP and then 3x special defense at the rest of 60% hp

[marble portal]

Sides don't look too too bulky, surprisingly

what am I doing with those triple defences tho

since I need negative status

I'm assuming rebuff counts but Gloria only does single target

[formal matrix]

Do you have any of the arc units?

I forgot if it is only thorton himself needs rebuff or the whole team needs rebuff lol

[marble portal]

Steven.

whole team

[stable tundra]

do you have Arc Steven, NC Rosa or NC Blue

[formal matrix]

I had Steven + anni N and ss May works for thorton. I think some variation of this (like change may to Gloria should also work)

[stable tundra]

they are better than SS Morty here

[marble portal]

Steven 2/5 EXR
Rosa 3/5 EXR
Blue 0/5

[stable tundra]

use Rosa then

you should grid her with Def Crush 9

[marble portal]

so N/Gloria/Rosa?

[formal matrix]

Should work

[marble portal]

Another one down!

[marble portal]

offtype Darach

[marble portal]

curious how easy Lucy would be with just Steel (yeah, tossed in SS Gio to see how he fares with the rebuff)

[hearty cedar]

Yep

[dim lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/947522082609192981/1290627418075435008/Screenshot_2024-10-01-18-52-17-903_com.miui.videoplayer.jpg?ex=66fd25f3&is=66fbd473&hm=463316d69ec55faae773d423a8a984581f5877b72eb21f23e87cab5ad5a8c803&

I managed to pre-sync kill it but uhh

that snorlax then aoe flinched me twice with Rock Slide

that cursed thing

[final yacht]

Wut

[dim lance]

yeah, unlucky

but this comp can clear it

just let me try

[tough sonnet]

I have 1/5 ex c serena, who are good supports for dc?

[stable tundra]

#1255888121648644197 is the right channel

[tough sonnet]

Oop sorry

[fading walrus]

I really don't see how you'd survive those 2 sides at 100% even without flinches ngl

Because I had like 3 different teamcomps kill Palmer at that same reach but both sides with 1 sync buff at 70+% hp are pretty much a death sentence if you're not running fighting units imo

[final yacht]

Remind me of your move levels?

[dim lance]

Palmer did not sync, the enemy has no sync buffs

And Anabel has reflect + light screen + crit shield

they're fine, just that the moment I get a very unlucky flinch

it is a massive pain in the ass

[dim lance]

Palmer is 3 EXR +4, Larry is 4 EXR +6, Anabel is 5 EXR +10