Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[dim lance]

Oleana has to rely on fishing because the stage has two clanses, rofl

[warm haven]

more than two

im not sure poison will have it easy

[snow spruce]

Passive 9: T-Move: Team Remove Status Cond 9
Passive 10: 1st Time 70% HP: Team Remove Status Cond
Passive 11: Fainting Cleanse

Passive 8: T-Move: Team Remove Status Cond 9

Passive 8: T-Move: Team Remove Status Cond 9

[low coral]

They're mixed

[snow spruce]

the sync is special at least

[low coral]

I think Ice's best bet will be Blue

Idt Chase can actually survive for long

[dim lance]

yeah Blue is the best reset

[low coral]

But even Blue's annoying

[warm haven]

blue is gonna be crushed by that triple axel

[low coral]

Due to Ice weakness on a Ice Zone team

"luckily", Masked later will go for Blizzard and Giga Impact instead

[dim lance]

it also probably forces Arc to run Red, idk

Or Leon

it has to be a status option

[snow spruce]

leon/red/oleana

[low coral]

But Triple Axel is the single worst move for Blue to face in this game

[lunar sedge]

Is fainting cleanse the sides passive or it's for all of them?

[low coral]

Or a lot of stuff in general, I hate fighting enemies with Triple Axel lol

[snow spruce]

Ice can also use Cynthia, she has that 50% para on every attack .. but needs real good rng

[low coral]

Strong move that breaks endurances and damage guards

[fast pendant]

yep

[warm haven]

most evil move

[fast pendant]

it's really annoying

[low coral]

Problem with Cynthia is not the status, it's the Attack buffs

But yeah, Cynthia might work too

[warm haven]

cynthia basically doesnt have the DGN on entry

as they can't be flinched either

[low coral]

She's gonna be fine with Triple Axel, at least, she buffs instantly and isn't Ice-weak

If anything, she's probably the best prepared unit at taking it

[stable storm]

mr looks the status filter un

*ub

will mr be close to Leon level

[warm haven]

stronger

[low coral]

Hmm, idk, UBs can be hard to judge

[snow spruce]

if both SpAtk and speed are debuffed (by Irida) then Cynthia could be fine .. missing just Atk alone isnt as critical and the sync is special
she survived Evelyn in a similar way, might work here too
Blue has Atk debuffs and better para, but not Sprint and he is Ice-weak
so maybe its Blue > Cynthia > Chase ?

[stable storm]

we doubled and halved the all ub clear team amount in 2 months

[low coral]

Giovanni looked harder but had a unique AI that made him easier

[warm haven]

there's teams that can actually ignore leon's status

[dim lance]

I think Elaine is unironically just better here no

[low coral]

While Nita looked far easier on paper

[dim lance]

Mostly because no ice weakness

[stable storm]

giovanni is more of a puzzle

[low coral]

Compared to Blue?

[dim lance]

• she can protect block

[stable storm]

Can she status

[dim lance]

Provided status is covered by something else

[paper mural]

They really said "you guys think Arc duo make ubs too easy? Just hold my bear"

[stable storm]

for ice comp or in general

[low coral]

Maybe, Elaine's hella slow at buffing, but the Ice weakness might indeed make her better than Blue

[warm haven]

nah but the atk stat is a good indicative

[low coral]

I do think this UB looks crazy regardless

[dim lance]

But then you need a non Irida partner or something

[low coral]

The only blessing is the 500k HP range

[stable storm]

ssac ice might struggle

[low coral]

Oh, you mean for Ice?

[stable storm]

500k hp ubs have scared me after Nita

[low coral]

Dunno, I'll give it a chance

[snow spruce]

all Ice will struggle. Might still do it

[fast pendant]

unironically, this is a great battle to showcase SS N in ice teams

as he has advantage over Red for gimmick check

[stable storm]

@hearty cedar come here

[low coral]

Yeah, status and debuffs

[snow spruce]

Ice team also gives him the ice zone .. =/ meh

[stable storm]

I bet that he is very happy

also is this our second ice based ub that doesn't have hail?

[fast pendant]

you could probably jsut drop irida and use him with red and cynthia

[warm haven]

is this 50% of raising the team speed?

[stable storm]

more gambling

[snow spruce]

for just any clear sure, but some of us are too obsessed with getting 12/12 UBs

[fast pendant]

"some"

[fast pendant]

yes

60% actually

[snow spruce]

in terms of filtering out full 12/12 clears - this looks to be THE biggest filter, more than Nita & Noland
but otherwise its probably easier for Oleana + Geeta to do than Nita was for Ice team

[warm haven]

at least rats can rest, this is gonna be a breeze for them

[fast pendant]

it is

[snow spruce]

both Oleana and SS Roxie only do a guaranteed AoE status once .. so more than 1 cleanse is a bit of a problem for them too

[rotund oasis]

nemona's ub stats is 500k. can drop your stats, psychic weak, needs electric terrain to be removed.

if you let her sync, she clears status change.

3k offenses.

[low coral]

Nemona looks far merciful

[orchid bridge]

Me with no other psychic terrain setter other than Bianca Fuck....

[low coral]

But her sides are bulky

[orchid bridge]

Now I wished I have SS Lana

[low coral]

Almost 500k HP on sides

[rotund oasis]

469k lmao.

[fast pendant]

oh wow

[rotund oasis]

i'm not quite sure how to break it.

[hearty cedar]

I'm here

[stable storm]

Can anyone send nemona details

congratulations @hearty cedar

[rotund oasis]

like.... i'm thinking ss lusamine, zapdos and anni may.

[hearty cedar]

@stable storm

[orchid bridge]

I trust that someone will be crazy enough to counter UB Nemona with the rats

[paper mural]

Lear + Avery will eat her alive.

[hearty cedar]

congratulate me if I get c.elesa from that banner lol not for this

[orchid bridge]

Me who have neither

I am fucked

[rotund oasis]

funny enough

it says to do confusion o-o;

[stable storm]

@hearty cedar Have you seen masked royal ub

[rotund oasis]

zapdos can do confusion too.

[hearty cedar]

Only a bit

Need status change AND condition, opp field effects are permanent

[rotund oasis]

she doesnt have resillience

[stable storm]

wait, what does she get if et is up

[lunar sedge]

You're mixing up UBs

[rotund oasis]

entry and sync.

[hearty cedar]

There are multiple?

[lunar sedge]

The status change and field effect is Nemona

[stable storm]

nc rosa

[lunar sedge]

Yeah there's a Nemona UB

[dim lance]

For ice specifically but for other comps yes, she's more or less the best debuff covering support whose not Steven

Noting that she covers it aoe too and sides also have the requisite

[lunar sedge]

It's most likely for BR first

[stable storm]

no, what buffs does she get under et

[snow spruce]

what is Team Electric Current ?

[dim lance]

@low coral

[snow spruce]

Passive 9: Team Power Induction 7
Passive 10: Sync Induction 9
Passive 11: Electrorepulsion 3
Passive 12: Grounding Wire

[rotund oasis]

sync induction 9, shock recovery (DANGER)

[hearty cedar]

They added 2 ubs in 1 month? Or did they add nemona ub as a dump for rally similar to previous ub dump?

[lunar sedge]

Rally most likely

[stable storm]

no defensive buffs?

[hearty cedar]

I see

[rotund oasis]

these too.

[snow spruce]

Nemona doesnt require Status CONDITION from what I see ?
only status change (twice ) and dealing with terrain + bulky sides

[rotund oasis]

nothing. but the shock recovery is going to be nasty.

[snow spruce]

Passive 17: Shock Recovery 1 too yeah

[hearty cedar]

So basically another argenta?

[stable storm]

so 30% dr under et and infliction immunity? what does she have if she isn't confused

[snow spruce]

yeah Nemona is ~Argenta with bulkier sides

[stable storm]

can you copy paste the text or send pics for me pls? my pastebin isn't working @snow spruce

[rotund oasis]

i'd run nc rosa, but she doesnt have impervious to deal with the constant -def and -sp.def

[hearty cedar]

What's the hp pool for both new ones? Any idea?

[stable storm]

Lear

[rotund oasis]

oh wait a sec.

[stable storm]

Lear gives team imperv.

Lear is the goatttt

[rotund oasis]

lulz

[hearty cedar]

No

Lear is the prince

[lunar sedge]

MR 585k
Sides around 260k

[hearty cedar]

Not bad

MR steel weak?

[lunar sedge]

Poison

[hearty cedar]

Oooh

Its gonna be a very simple gg then

[lunar sedge]

They can cleanse like at least 2 times btw

Trainer move and endure

[hearty cedar]

Rebuff or status or both?

[lunar sedge]

Status condition

[hearty cedar]

Rebuff then

Ngl, I'm looking forward to the steel team clear of this ub

[fast pendant]

those are not the same things 'tho

[lunar sedge]

Rebuff is a status change

[hearty cedar]

Oh wait condition

My bad

[lunar sedge]

You need to debuff 3 stats too

Basically oleana

But now that we know they cleanse it's moreso Oleana + Geeta

[stable storm]

Weakness: Poison
NPC Middle 1-1: 585200 HP (The Royal - pm0038_61_akyukon)
4032 Attack
83 Defense
4032 Sp. Atk
83 Sp. Def
67 Speed

        Passive 6: No Status Cond: Defense & Sp. Def ×3
        Passive 7: Robust Physique
        Passive 8: No Status Cond: P-Moves, S-Moves, & Max Moves ↑ 5
        Passive 9: T-Move: Team Remove Status Cond 9
        Passive 10: 1st Time 70% HP: Team Remove Status Cond
        Passive 11: Fainting Cleanse

Passive 13: 1st Time 70% HP: Team 5 Stats ↑2
Passive 14: Sharpened Body 5
Passive 15: Sharpened Mind 5
Passive 16: Speed ↑: Moves ↑ 5
Passive 17: Brawn Sync 5
Passive 18: Brain Sync 5
Passive 19: Speedster’s Sync 5

NPC Right 2-1: 261800 HP
NPC Left 3-1: 261800 HP

@hearty cedar

big filter for a lot of all ub teams

[river prawn]

Status condition or bye bye

[lunar sedge]

Cleansing more than once is evil ngl

[stable storm]

status condition and stat debuffing

[hearty cedar]

How many times will they cleanse?

[stable storm]

can anyone copy paste the nemona ub text for me

[hearty cedar]

And when? 70% hp and?

[river prawn]

Every trainer move

[fast pendant]

every time they use t move

[stable storm]

3-4

[hearty cedar]

Ooh

[stable storm]

4th one is on death iirc

[lunar sedge]

Mid also has fainting cleanse

[warm haven]

what's nemona's atk stat?

[lunar sedge]

Ropal said around 3k

[hearty cedar]

Kinda feels like leon + "dont let it use the tm" feeling of gio ub

[river prawn]

At least it doesn't want wtz

[hearty cedar]

Time to see if this stage lets the ice core beat it or not

[stable storm]

with a tiny bit of Lucy in there

[warm haven]

lol noland in the battle rally

[stable storm]

ice core probably beats it

[hearty cedar]

Nc.blue will be great in this ub with ice guard

[stable storm]

some ice comps might fail

half of the current ub all clear teams will fail

actually more than half

[hearty cedar]

When we see it in BR:- skip

[low coral]

He'll be fine, great is probably a stretch

[lunar sedge]

[stable storm]

Noland will be a cointoss

[low coral]

Since Masked should hit harder than Thorton

[stable storm]

@hearty cedar N will be pog here

[hearty cedar]

Depends on the survivability no? I said great bcuz of the status and debuffs he has

[stable storm]

what moves does mr use btw

high bp ones?

[river prawn]

Triple axel

[low coral]

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend tanking with Blue

[hearty cedar]

True, ss N might work here

[low coral]

He probably can tank, but you would rather not

[hearty cedar]

Fair

[low coral]

Even on a Electric comp, it might be better to tank with Red or Ash

Depending on Giga Impact

[river prawn]

Fairy team is ded

Same with flying

[hearty cedar]

Fairy team cant debuff speed right?

[river prawn]

Cant status condition

That is the main gimmick

[stable storm]

most arc teams are dead

if you don't status you don't damage

[hearty cedar]

Ss mina needs to be swapped out for many comps

[stable storm]

Can Avery status

[river prawn]

The buffed stats from Ninetales are "only" offensive

But without status condition she is unkillable

[stable storm]

SS Mina fall time?

[hearty cedar]

Doesnt it 3x its defenses?

[river prawn]

No

[warm haven]

@snow spruce idt arc duo + oleana can make it

[stable storm]

no status means 3x defenses and no crit

[hearty cedar]

No crit💀

[stable storm]

Only 1 status right?

[river prawn]

Oleana has gunk shot

[hearty cedar]

Dena saw how the steel team defeated leon without status and took it to heart

[warm haven]

1 from the max, and 30% from gunk shot

[stable storm]

what are the odds again

many teams deleted Leon without status

[warm haven]

not to mention that TMs clear the status

[stable storm]

more gambling

[river prawn]

This is not the same case as Leon

[stable storm]

I love gambling

[stable storm]

that's what I am saying

[hearty cedar]

Dena:- thats why I'm pissed off even more

[stable storm]

teams that previously did statusless Leon won't be able to do this

[hearty cedar]

Fire team can beat this stage

[stable storm]

not nemona probably (?)

[warm haven]

but dena really said, arcs you had your fun now get filtered

[hearty cedar]

I was talking about MR

[stable storm]

oh

Ik

I was talking about nemona

[snow spruce]

Nemona can be bruteforced by some Arc Duo teams probably.
and NC Reds B-move ignores Electrorepulsion 3 at least. But not sure if Cynthia/Chase Ice teams can survive boosted sync or not
MR is the worse one

[stable storm]

I remember someone saying that she wants confusion?

could you pls send the details

[warm haven]

nemona is either preync or die if you're not removing her terrain

[warm haven]

negative status change

[stable storm]

Oh rebuff works?

[warm haven]

yes

[snow spruce]

nemona sync is survivable if you debuff her Atk

[stable storm]

so no worries about grounding wire

can anyone pls just copy paste the ub text

[snow spruce]

although like with Argenta - you have to delay using your 2-nd rebuff until after 60%

[fossil fjord]

What's Nemona's weakness?

[snow spruce]

nvm, Grounding Wire = no trap

[paper mural]

Psychic.

[warm haven]

Oh lmao true

[fossil fjord]

PSYCHIC

[stable storm]

Wait if I wanna use rosa Lear and Lana.....do I just not click b move with rosa until 60%...?

[warm haven]

Nemona isn't joking either

[stable storm]

Does nemona buff often

[paper mural]

You can keep teeter dance in the later half.
I rmb someone did this in Argenta.

[stable storm]

if I could probably burst her down with Lear

Sync>teeter>60% >b move>b move>b move....

[fossil fjord]

Does she also want debuffs or nah?

[snow spruce]

at least Arc Cynthia - Avery - Arc Steven can do Nemona
(but not MR)

[stable storm]

mr killed how many teams again

[earnest panther]

Psychic weak Nemona. Lol.... Lmao even

[river prawn]

He didnt drop yet

You can tell when you try in practice

[chilly dawn]

Psychic weak Nemona is going to be free or horrific

[earnest panther]

Knowing dena, they'll make it the most miserable experience possible

[chilly dawn]

Largely bc I think it's going to just be "psychic terrain"

[lunar sedge]

Free if you have the counter

Nemona wants status change

[chilly dawn]

I feel terrain will be one of the gimmicks

[river prawn]

You don't have to think we have the passives

[chilly dawn]

Oh joy

[earnest panther]

Status change? Rosa free

[chilly dawn]

How bad?

I don't have the docs

[lunar sedge]

Rosa free free

[chilly dawn]

Is it just like, status change and terrain?

[stable storm]

I think it's pretty obvious that he's gonna kill non status teams

status change twice and terrain

[chilly dawn]

Twice bc she clears at a threshold, I assume?

[stable storm]

offenses, dr and healing and status change immunity if et is up

also aoe defense drops

[chilly dawn]

Oh so you need terrain on entry effectively

[stable storm]

and multipliers if defenses are down

[chilly dawn]

... Did they design this for like, SS Lana

[stable storm]

rebuff is still applicable

[river prawn]

Looks most similar to Argenta just by gimmicks

But hard to compare

[chilly dawn]

Oh does she not start with terrain?

[river prawn]

Argenta has low atk stats and single target attacks

[stable storm]

argenta with more stats and terrain instead of weather

[warm haven]

nemona does start with ET

[chilly dawn]

Ok

[stable storm]

she starts with terrain and applies every sync

she looks like argenta on steroids rn

oh and 500k hp sides

[chilly dawn]

Joy

[stable storm]

yk the norm

[lunar sedge]

SS Lana + NC Rosa is most likely the play

[uncut drum]

Masked Royal UB looks horrible

[warm haven]

that's more hp than lucy

[chilly dawn]

I'm trying to figure out the intended pairs for that

[stable storm]

with maybe Lear

[chilly dawn]

SS Lana is absolutely the intended damage

[stable storm]

aoe imperv

[lunar sedge]

Lear + Avery

[stable storm]

looks slightly stronger than Leon to me

[uncut drum]

Much stronger

[chilly dawn]

Is MR just "geeta/oleana or perish"

[fast pendant]

no not really

[chilly dawn]

It kinda looks like that from here

[uncut drum]

I think the rats has a chance to do it since Red debuffs speed

[lunar sedge]

For as long as you can reapply status condition

[fast pendant]

fire and electric teams have good matchup

[low coral]

Electric 100% beats it

[uncut drum]

Fire can't beat this

[fast pendant]

ofc they can

[uncut drum]

They can't debuff speed

[low coral]

Fire can

[paper mural]

Kinda prove the dev also think posion has a stronger core than electric.

[low coral]

Leaf + May

[uncut drum]

Who statuses then?

[fast pendant]

may

[low coral]

May has sure burn

On Blaze Kick

[river prawn]

Not like speed buffs are a dealbraker

[stable storm]

requirements are status+debuff spam so quite a few comps do it

[fast pendant]

yeah

you're not dying if you don't debuff speed

[stable storm]

it's just that many all ub clear comps will fail

[uncut drum]

Royal gets 50% stronger with speed buffs

[river prawn]

Status condition is the dealbraker

[low coral]

50% ain't the end of the world

[river prawn]

Nita gets 90% under sand and you beat her

[low coral]

Even if Masked has high offenses

If you let it be 150%, then yeah

It's hard

[uncut drum]

Nita can be flinched and frozen

[low coral]

But 50% is doable

[river prawn]

Leon UB often gets 50%

And is doable

[uncut drum]

True. I guess then Leaf, May and Morty can do it

[fast pendant]

I'm sure they can do without may as well just fine

[low coral]

Blue variations should be ok too

[river prawn]

But any team without status just crumbles

[low coral]

But more annoying on status

[fast pendant]

and there's no dependency on sun, so they can just use arc steven for faster debuffs

[uncut drum]

I can try grid Hostile Environment on Anni N and try the same team I did on Evelyn

[low coral]

Anni N as well

Leon and Silver too

[uncut drum]

N can help debuff Royal as well and N can survive two syncs

It's gonna be harder than Evelyn

For them

[uncut drum]

Silver is frail though

Leon can do it probably

[fast pendant]

I don't think it's too hard of a battle for them

[low coral]

Leaf's matchup is strong enough on a fundamental level

[stable storm]

Fire being good against the ice ub again is hilarious

[low coral]

That Morty + burn should do most of the work

[low coral]

Isn't that expected tho

[stable storm]

Also mr has no hail stuff right?

[river prawn]

No

[uncut drum]

Even if he does, Morty has sun

[paper mural]

Our last hope is steel ub.

[stable storm]

Yes but two in a row is funny

[low coral]

Hardly a Water UB would be anti-Electric as well, for example

[stable storm]

We have 2 ice ubs and neither use hail....

does Dena like ice comp that much

[river prawn]

Because you cant have a weather centric UB in a type that doesnt have weather setters

[low coral]

This ain't a good matchup for Ice

[chilly dawn]

It's Ice

Ice doesn't have good MUs

It just has MUs where it kills before it dies

[fast pendant]

what

[uncut drum]

They struggle with Thorton and MR is worse

[low coral]

Triple Axel turn 1 already is a big obstacle vs Thorton

And Masked has a stronger one

[stable storm]

Yes but imo an ub that abuses hail and ice zone directly would be worse

[low coral]

They also get a buff on Attack buffs

[uncut drum]

Giving them free zone is terrible

[rigid pivot]

So uh I only have ss Roxie but she can’t status cond more than once damnit

[uncut drum]

And they can't be frozen

[rigid pivot]

I could use oak no way!!!

[uncut drum]

So Red can't do his gimmck

[low coral]

They also can't remove Terrain vs Nemona, but Nemona might be brute forceable

[rigid pivot]

Couldn’t you maybe use eletric team and keep statusing

[uncut drum]

Where we can see Nemona's passives

[low coral]

https://pastebin.com/1VyLm48w

[paper mural]

Klara has it worse.
Can't even have guaranteed posion once.

[rigid pivot]

Oh nemona is a new ultimate battle?

[low coral]

Around line 3522

[low coral]

Yes, she'll come next month

But she'll appear on Rally already

[river prawn]

Geeta and Oleana will be the most comfortable team

[rigid pivot]

Ah ok, what is she weak to

[stable storm]

Pastebin is so wonky for me...

[low coral]

Psychic

[rigid pivot]

DAMNIT I’m screeed

My psychic team isn’t the best

[warm haven]

how do you calculate her atk stat?

[rigid pivot]

I only have 1/5 anni May and ss lusamine has fallen off

[fading walrus]

Rally has 2x stars

Stats

[low coral]

Line 3522

[fading walrus]

Doesn't it

Same hp tho right

?

So 1/2 of everything but hp?

[warm haven]

isnt very hard a boosted version of UBs?

[snow spruce]

At least Electrorepulsion 3 only reduces normal move dmg, not sync. Thats something

[chilly dawn]

VH is UB level iirc

[river prawn]

No VH is 2× stats

[fading walrus]

2x stats yeah

[low coral]

They'll double those stats in practice

But the raw stats are the same as the UB

[chilly dawn]

Huh, explains why I can never kill argenta in rally

[fading walrus]

Ah I see

[warm haven]

ah right

[low coral]

If she has 3.5k Attack on the pastebin, she'll have 7k on Rally and 3.5k on UB

[uncut drum]

Ok Nemona seems fine

[fading walrus]

You can literally stall her in rally

[stable storm]

wait nemona clears rebuff on sync?

[warm haven]

maybe SST Red can presync clear her like palmer

[uncut drum]

Seems like it yeah

[rigid pivot]

Yeah I only have ss Roxie for good poision and Roxie can’t reapply poison

[chilly dawn]

I mean, some people can. I can't, I never have the setups to hit her with rebuff

[rigid pivot]

At least not till 4/5

….swell

[fading walrus]

Just bring someone who can

[low coral]

Probably what will annoy most people is that Nemona is immune to debuffs if Terrain isn't removed

[uncut drum]

No he can't. Nemona heals in ET and hit too hard

[rigid pivot]

I guess I can try ss Roxie + sst red

[low coral]

So bruteforcing based on debuffs isn't viable

[stable storm]

nemona is immune to stat drops if et is up?

[uncut drum]

SS Steven, SS Lana and NC Rosa can easily clear Nemona

[low coral]

Yes

[stable storm]

Lear as well

[fading walrus]

Just wait for Arc Red & Pikachu to beat her with ET on

[fast pendant]

[snow spruce]

wait what ? what makes her immune to debuffs ?

[rigid pivot]

Actually how many times does masked royal get rid of status

[low coral]

Team Electric Current

[river prawn]

Grounding wire + team electric current

Nasty

[stable storm]

So can poison do nemona

[rotund oasis]

gotta remove her terrain

[river prawn]

Stops a lot of multipliers

[rigid pivot]

Like throughout the battle

[chilly dawn]

Basically: If you do not remove electric terrain vs Nemona, you will have a very bad time.

[fading walrus]

Need to take et away so ...

[warm haven]

just kill the punk girl first

[rotund oasis]

lolwat

[chilly dawn]

Poison would need a support that can throw down psychic or grassy terrain

[fading walrus]

Depends on length of the stage

[uncut drum]

Yeah, but removing it makes her a lot easier

[stable storm]

I assume mina poison won't be able to do nemona

[river prawn]

Roxie can set her ET which is not infinite

[warm haven]

the punk girl (a side) is the one who has that inmunity

[river prawn]

To overwrite

[uncut drum]

Actually I think Arc Steven and SS Steven might be able to duo Nemona

[rotund oasis]

sshe has 1 e-terrain usage. ew.

[fast pendant]

nemona sides have over 400k hp

[low coral]

Absolutely not

[uncut drum]

Wait no

[rigid pivot]

Yeah I don’t really have much good units that can constantly reapply status, I have 3/5 holiday jasmine and that’s really it

[snow spruce]

Team Electric Current - very bad. Now I'm thinking Nemona is worse than MR

[uncut drum]

Forgot about terrain

[stable storm]

no lol

[uncut drum]

Yeah I realized it later

But SS Steven normal forme has psychic terrain on entry

[stable storm]

Lear might be a good dd here

[rotund oasis]

my current setup is nc blue, ss lusamine and anni may.

[warm haven]

Hm there might be a way with SST

he can override the infinite terrain and then stall it

[stable storm]

are you suggesting using normal form?

[warm haven]

and resist one sync

[uncut drum]

Honestly no

[fading walrus]

Using normal is worse than bringing an Eggmon + attack form

[uncut drum]

Just use a third terrain user

[snow spruce]

Team Electric Current is too overkill.
without that Nemona would be more ok and doable in terrain

[stable storm]

gotta get someone with cakeless sstr

[olive scroll]

Can nemona be flinched?

[uncut drum]

Seems not

[stable storm]

no

[river prawn]

Not under ET

[snow spruce]

no

[rotund oasis]

she can be confusion i think o.o

[river prawn]

At least

[low coral]

Not viable

[fading walrus]

Not with ET on

[stable storm]

also grounding wire for double flinch immunity

[low coral]

She's gonna resummon again at 60%

[rotund oasis]

you haave to turnr off e-terrain

[fading walrus]

400k hp sides.... yuck.

[river prawn]

Nemona is like Anabel under sun just no fluid fortification

[low coral]

And Red won't be able to nuke

[river prawn]

Same shock healing

Immunity to everything

[fading walrus]

Definitely made for SSteven and Lana

[rotund oasis]

the shocking healing is nasty too.

[rigid pivot]

I guess for nemona maybe ice team will work?

[stable storm]

aren't the sides 500k?

[rigid pivot]

Mfw having neither

[low coral]

Well, actually, maybe you can try bruteforcing her

[paper mural]

SST Red has one of the longest extension for et so...

[low coral]

But it would be on Terrain

[stable storm]

is sun anabel immune to stat drops?

[fading walrus]

Need to remove terrain so

[rigid pivot]

I mean irida

[low coral]

No point in making Red turn it off with extension

[warm haven]

i mean to wait for the first sync, and then rush her

[stable storm]

also nemona has 30% dr I think

[rigid pivot]

Oh wait terrian

Yeah

[low coral]

She has Electrorepulsion 3, so B Volt Tackle ignores it

[stable storm]

@low coral gl on ice team for nemona

[low coral]

And so does nukes

But you 100% need Ash

[uncut drum]

SST Red is just bad for Nemona

She's the one battle Red can't brute force

[low coral]

If anything, Ash / Chase / Blue would probably be a better Electric brute force, I imagine

[uncut drum]

Aside from Nita

[low coral]

Although sides will be annoying

[stable storm]

Is nemona the same as argenta stat wise

[warm haven]

IF red can resist the ET boosted sync then bruteforce is possible

[rotund oasis]

so we'ree getting mr first?

[stable storm]

mid stat wise

[uncut drum]

She's 50% stronger

[snow spruce]

I dont really see how anything does terrain Nemona tbh. Looks undoable at first glance??
especially with 470K sides
immune to stun, cannot debuff at all, heals every turn, debuffs def/spdef each attack
and most of all - sync is boosted by 90% + x1.5 from terrain + Atk buffs

[rigid pivot]

Man I might be doomed for nemona

[low coral]

It honestly could be worse

[rigid pivot]

Unless I do something crazy like ss nemona + ss acerloa

[uncut drum]

How so

[rigid pivot]

But I feel like nemona will die too fast

[low coral]

Nemona won't reduce his damage, but Red won't get Cakewalk either

[uncut drum]

Red ain't surviving long enough to kill them

[stable storm]

If ice fails on nemona and so does rat arc on nemona, will no comp be able to all ub clear?

[uncut drum]

She's too strong under terrain

[fast pendant]

I don't think you get to survive without impervious, you're for sure not keeping your team alive for long in terrain while she debuffs you

for brute forcing that is

[low coral]

Debuffs aren't a problem for Electric due to Blue

[rigid pivot]

Arc Steven moment

[fast pendant]

I think they are

[low coral]

The problem is not debuffing offenses and surviving sync

[fast pendant]

'cause you just don't keep yourself at max defenses

[warm haven]

yeah blue is permanently buffing defenses

[river prawn]

Arc Steven getting buffs from Nemona lol

[low coral]

You can also run Kris

For debuff immunity

[stable storm]

or lear

[fast pendant]

it's a very big hit in dmg 'tho

to use her

[river prawn]

Both these UBs are nasty

[rotund oasis]

this'll be nice.

[low coral]

Yeah, if you want bruteforcing, Ash is a must

But even Tbolt will be nerfed by Electrorepulsion

[fast pendant]

that's not nice

[stable storm]

at least nemo doesn't have tripled defenses under et

[low coral]

But I think the biggest problem in general is not being able to debuff offenses

[rigid pivot]

I do not think ss lusamine will be enough for nemona but that’s all I have

At least my strongest one

Ib4 ex caitlin

[stable storm]

Team electric current is nasty

[low coral]

Otherwise, it doesn't sound like a terrible battle for it

[stable storm]

Nemona at least has her defense passive tied to negative status change

could arc rat do nemo

[low coral]

Depends on what the Arc Electric even is

Since there's no info besides Electric rebuff

[rotund oasis]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=002103014500&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=0&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFBggLDg8QERIVGCYp&v1=012001080001&s1=3&l1=140&r1=6&p1=0&a1=0&t1=44444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFERQXGhsgIiMkLw&v2=012602038000&s2=3&l2=140&r2=6&p2=0&a2=0&t2=11111&x2=true&g2=AAECAwQFCw4dICIjJSksLS4 here you go. VS UB Nemona.

[paper mural]

Nemona is prob designed with NC Rosa + SS Lana in mind.

[warm haven]

hoping for a striker that doesnt depend on paralysis

or an electric lance could work too

[stable storm]

I am talking about the comp

arc duo+sstr

arc rat

[low coral]

I think if you want to pinpoint one unit, it's Elio

[snow spruce]

MR and Nemona combo might filter out every single comp tbh, yeah

[low coral]

Iirc she even recommends confusion

[stable storm]

yep

[rotund oasis]

i wonder wwhy confusion...

[fast pendant]

because psychic has it

[stable storm]

negative status change

[chilly dawn]

Confusion is accessible status change

[paper mural]

Elio? What purpose?

[stable storm]

confusion is associated with psychic

et removal and negative status change

[paper mural]

NC Rosa's teeter dance.

[chilly dawn]

Psychic has a lot of confusion setters

[low coral]

Psychic Terrain + Confusion

[chilly dawn]

And about 1 rebuffer

[low coral]

He's not as good as other Psychic pairs

[stable storm]

isn't almost every psychic a confusion setter

[chilly dawn]

Plus with how often they cleanse it iirc, I'm not sure rebuff can set up

[rotund oasis]

i'd run nc rosa if she can wtz eject nemona's terrain

[low coral]

So even if the battle fits him, you obv would rather run Steven / Rosa / Lana

[stable storm]

Could Lear rosa lana do this

[fast pendant]

they don't cleanse a lot

[paper mural]

Nope. Confusion seems NC Rosa to me.

[fast pendant]

yes

it's not a hard battle for psychic

at all

[chilly dawn]

Isn't it on threshold and every sync

[low coral]

Rosa doesn't even need confusion

She just rebuffs

[rotund oasis]

theey clear rebuffs if she syncs.

[chilly dawn]

Rebuff alone will suffer on that

[rotund oasis]

hrm

[stable storm]

Yes but won't she spend all her rebuff before cleanse

[fast pendant]

you shouldn't even get synced

[low coral]

Psychic shouldn't struggle pre-syncing her

[rotund oasis]

hum well okay, i'll wait for vidss i suppose

[stable storm]

so you would go sync>teeter until 60% >b move constantly

[low coral]

It's Palmer bulk but super effective

[chilly dawn]

Idk I probably would lmao, I do not have much psychic dps that would work for this

I have not cleared palmer yet

[low coral]

Would you if he started at 50%?

[stable storm]

If I spam b move early I lose all rebuffs for the cleanse

[chilly dawn]

My psychic options would probably be like, Lana/SS Steven and then flail for a support (probably other steven)

[low coral]

The battle obv isn't like Palmer at all, but Psychic already pre-syncs off-type

And you double their damage

[paper mural]

They prob list it as an emergency if you fuck up and not presync her.
But again hint doesn't mean you need to apply all. Rmb the Unova ebe with sun and rain both hinted?

[low coral]

Potentially more with SE Up

[chilly dawn]

I do not have great psychic offense

[stable storm]

What about off type

could grass do nemo?

[fast pendant]

you just said you have Lana and SS STeven

[stable storm]

maybe they are 1/5?

[chilly dawn]

SS Steven keels over and dies if the battle has any AoE

[low coral]

Grass beats Nemona, yes

Very easily

[stable storm]

SS Steven isn't made out of paper

[low coral]

Basically Psychic but off-type

[rigid pivot]

Mfw my only grass dps is freaking sc sonia

[low coral]

Matchup is near perfect

[stable storm]

doesn't he have protect

What about ice

[river prawn]

Nemona is hard because her demanding gimmicks

[chilly dawn]

Yeah but if the spread is first move he's just boned

[river prawn]

But grass covers them all

[rigid pivot]

And my only good psychic is 1/5 anni May and 3/5 ss lusamine sad

[low coral]

Ice has to bruteforce if you don't run Acerola

But they might win

[stable storm]

I didn't see any spread move

[chilly dawn]

Lana will probably need EXR for this, and then steven hopefully lasts

[stable storm]

ice comp is mostly kill before being killed right?

[fast pendant]

no she won't

😭

[low coral]

The problem is getting Nemona to cleanse in time

Since Red rebuffs on sync

[olive scroll]

Arc duo + a third can beat Nemona, right sync nuke without needing debuff

[stable storm]

Arc duo+a terrainer that's not et should be fine

[snow spruce]

I dont really see how Ice bruteforces terrain Nemona .. no stun, no debuff, 30K+ heals every attack = no pre-sync
and then you just die to sync ?
maybe the only option is for NC Red to try and survive sync with Protect and then somehow win alone

[fast pendant]

Nemona is very easy for psychic team and she doesn't remove status changes on endurance, only when she syncs

[snow spruce]

oh yes and then also rebuff cleanse on top

[olive scroll]

Oh, I meant those that already fully clear ub

Can arc duo + oleana or sst red clear 2 new ones

[snow spruce]

Oh yes true. Only sync cleanse, not endure cleanse
thats better

[fast pendant]

I don't think Nemona is that hard to be pre-synced she has basically same hp as Palmer and as him you basically don't get debuffs

[stable storm]

no endure cleanse?

[fast pendant]

no

[stable storm]

much better then

what does she do on endure again

[uncut drum]

Rosa, Steven and Lana can pre sync

I'm sure of it

[fast pendant]

terrain

[stable storm]

all ubs do something special on endure

[stable storm]

Lear as well

[snow spruce]

same as Palmer, except:
-cant debuff at all
-60% endure (Palmer had no endures)
-big heals every attack
thats a lot worse
and Palmer is usually only barely pre-syncable

[uncut drum]

Yeah but I don't have EX R Lear

[stable storm]

and what else?

[fast pendant]

that's it

[stable storm]

exr our glorious king

nice

[uncut drum]

She only heals in electric terrain

[uncut drum]

He's 2/5

If he's nice to me he'll get caked

I need 3/5 first

[stable storm]

5/5 him because he's our glorious king

[uncut drum]

Can't argue with that

[stable storm]

(I hope your pulls go well)

[chilly dawn]

Ok I tried Evelyn's UB

... This is miserable

[low coral]

All of those wouldn't stop a pre-sync

[chilly dawn]

Who's a good spatk debuffer, bc NC Leaf ain't cutting the debuffs

[snow spruce]

Also a lot of Palmer pre-syncs relied on kill-stealing a side. Not possible on Nemonas 470K sides
I think IF she is at all doable offtype + pre-sync + without removing terrain, then ONLY with Ash and even then idk
no even Arc Lance, because no debuffs

[low coral]

At least idt it would

As long as no one is KOed

As only Irida's damage will be reduced

What can stop is the side being hella bulky

Which might stop a turn skip

[fading walrus]

How much hp is nemona herself

[fast pendant]

570k ish

[snow spruce]

How do they not stop it ? just the big heals every attack and no debuffs is huge
the 60% endure is annoying too
Ice team already comes close when pre-syncing Palmer
this is A LOT worse than Palmer to presync IMO

[fading walrus]

Lol only 100k over sides?

Funny

[snow spruce]

and yes, no turn skip

[fast pendant]

it also doesn't necessarily needs to be pre-sync, red should survive with guard

[warm haven]

yeah both red and ash have DGN

and it's a free terrain anyways

[fast pendant]

we meant nc red, but yes

[warm haven]

ah right

[snow spruce]

Yeah Red guard is the only option I see for Ice team, and but how much is Red doing alone, after sync, ~1 attack away from death
maybe it works some how
but in this case Cynthia might be > Blue ? since she has Sprint and he doesnt. His debuffs dont matter in this scenario

[chilly dawn]

Any help with Evelyn? I'm moderately up shit creek with it bc NC Leaf just isn't keeping their spatk in check

[fast pendant]

blue is not the best option

[fading walrus]

Bring anothe spa dropper

[low coral]

Ice doesn't struggle to pre-sync Palmer, wdym?

[warm haven]

Blue is BIG fat with ET

[chilly dawn]

Ok, any suggestions on where to fit them?

I'm currently running arc cynthia/arc steven/nc leaf, all 3/5 exr

[fading walrus]

Why even bringing Cynthia with leaf...?

[snow spruce]

it doesnt struggle, but its still usually right before Palmers sync, no ? not much reserve
This looks way worse than Palmer to me
also add 100K+ to her effective hp from 3-4 attack heals

[fading walrus]

They fight over wtz

[fading walrus]

Palmer guaranteed kills tho

[chilly dawn]

Leaf has no chance to do anything but spam leer so far

[fading walrus]

Because of crit + max ranged

In normal zone

[chilly dawn]

She is purely there for debuffs

[fading walrus]

And ignored endure and master passives

[chilly dawn]

And trying to keep on top of fluid fort

[fading walrus]

Then bring anything that drops spatk more

[chilly dawn]

The WTZ is less of a factor bc sand doesn't go up till just before cynthia syncs

[snow spruce]

this also mostly guaranteed kills? except if dmg guard
90% sync dmg from passive + x1.5 from terrain + all the Atk buffs

[chilly dawn]

I don't know if I have anyone who can keep a handle on Atk and that much spatk

[low coral]

No, there's a good time to spare with Chase

Again, the bigger problem is how bulky the sides are

Which will stop turn skips

[chilly dawn]

I'd need someone who can spam like, -2 SpAtk and NC Leaf

[low coral]

And that could be key to doing it

[fading walrus]

Depending on the third unit I don't think the atk buff is an issue

Again, one is a guaranteed kill

Nemona is all to be seen

[chilly dawn]

Or actuallt

Yeah I think I have it

Yardenia time

[fading walrus]

No?

Just -2 overall is enough

[low coral]

Especially due to Irida's damage nerf

Even if Red's mostly unchanged

[chilly dawn]

Actually no idk if yardenia can, same issues as leaf

[snow spruce]

I was talking about Ice team specifically with Blue/Cynthia/Chase.
otherwise just use SS acerola as support lol

[chilly dawn]

Fuck why are there no good spatk debuffers

[fading walrus]

Blue nerfs attack

So that should somehow solve the atk buffs issue

[fast pendant]

it doesn't

blue is not a good choice

[snow spruce]

Immune to debuffs (while terrain is up)

[fading walrus]

Are they that aggro?

[low coral]

Nemona can only be debuffed outside of Terrain

[fading walrus]

Ahhh right

[silver spruce]

What’s the new battle for October?

[fading walrus]

Poison weak

[snow spruce]

Nemona sides are a problem, but tbh NC Reds sync is very powerful + full damage. That can still kill them

[stable tundra]

#datamines message Psychic weak Nemona

[low coral]

Red's Sync is powerful, but 500k damage powerful? Idk

Nemona should activate Chase's passives often too

Which might be annoying

[stable storm]

Doesn't nemona also have stun immunity

[final yacht]

isnt october's battle masked royal

and nemona in november

we don't have the image for nemona yet, we just know she's in rally

[snow spruce]

what about SSA Cynthia + Ice team?
not pre-sync, use protect before nemonas sync and hope that Cynthia and Red both survive it and then you maybe can finish her off fast enough. idk
Passive 13: S-Move: Team Remove Negative Status Change 9 - is annoying tho

[stable tundra]

I believe in @severe cloud

[true lagoon]

mr ub is just oleana fodder

status on max rebuff from passive via max debuffs via venom drench

geeta also helps if he removes status at some point (i assume he will if its anything like leon)

[fading walrus]

Geeta &/or oleana go crazy yea

[chilly dawn]

He cleanses on threshold, sync and cleanses team on faint iirc

[snow spruce]

both these UBs are very easy for their intended ideal ontype teams and awful for everything else

[chilly dawn]

So yeah, you need more than 1 shot of status

[paper mural]

Also tm.

[true lagoon]

ew

also does this mean subway masters will get a ub at some point

[chilly dawn]

Oh yeah, tm cleanse too

[true lagoon]

cuz of the br image

[low coral]

It's annoying, but could potentially work

Since Cynthia can confuse

[chilly dawn]

Almost definitely

[paper mural]

If he's not an ice type NC Blue will eat him alive.
Tanky support compresses aoe status.

[chilly dawn]

I think all the facility bosses are going to get UBs

[snow spruce]

I think for Arc Duo - BT leon is actually the best shot at doing both UBs
AoE status for MR + max guard for Nemonas sync

[chilly dawn]

... I don't know why gio got one

[snow spruce]

she cant 😦 grounding wire

[chilly dawn]

Anyway, update on Evelyn: Worked marginally better but I don't have the damage to get it done in time

[low coral]

Oh, nvm then, I mixed up Grouding Wire and Charged Immunity

[chilly dawn]

Mostly bc arcyn is the only damage there and 2 shots of sand is not enough apparently

[low coral]

So I thought she was immune to status conditions

[chilly dawn]

She has both iirc?

[low coral]

I only saw Grounding Wire

Unless it's a team version from the sides

[stable storm]

No way she has charged immunity

[chilly dawn]

She had team charged something

My memory is like a sieve with the bottom cut off

[river prawn]

Team electric current

[stable storm]

current is stat drop immunity

wire is infliction immunity

[chilly dawn]

Ok so I need more debuffs for Evelyn, apparently arc steven isn't enough as your spdef debuffer

... Do I bounce out arcyn for irida actually...

Gods this is going to be the most skewed team going

[low coral]

Sides do have Team Chaged Speed Drain 9 twice

[fast pendant]

what team are you using

[low coral]

So -2 Speed against us AoE

Could be annoying for gauge and Speed multipliers

Well, one side

[river prawn]

Funny

Seems like they are more comfortable to giving UBs debuffs

similar to EBEs

[chilly dawn]

For Evelyn atm, Arc Steven/Alt Iris/Arc Cynthia

[river prawn]

so impervious more valuable

[fast pendant]

i feel like that should be plenty

what's your arc cynthia move level

[chilly dawn]

Not enough spdef debuffs really so I'm thinking Irida to keep on top of that and to cut the speed

Both arcs are 3/5 exr

[river prawn]

lol

[fast pendant]

yeah

that's more than enough

[river prawn]

its rotation issue

[chilly dawn]

Iris is 2/5 but she's just there to gut their offenses

[river prawn]

not team/investment

[fast pendant]

you can give iris mind games 2 to help with sp.def debuffs if that's being your issue

that that team shouldn't have problem with latios

[chilly dawn]

I mean the issue is probably largely to do with losing a sync to the threshold

By my second sync she's at like 67% so that sync just clangs

... I'm actually tempted to ex and exr iris to throw a sprint sync in there so I can save cynthia's big un for after threshold

I really shouldn't though

[fast pendant]

that's not any worth or needed

cynthia should get all syncs

after steven

[chilly dawn]

Yeah that's my current plan

The issue is mostly just "quadqueueing on steven or cynthia is a nightmare"

Steven I genuinely don't think I have the window to do it without dropping the ls, but I kinda need that healing

[snow spruce]

BT leon is a seriously good anti-gimmick pair. Like REALLY good
I think he will come out as the best anti-gimmick 3-rd for the Arc Duo

as in maybe even better than SST red and Oleana

[stable storm]

I think his variant stops at nemona

[stable storm]

what about avery

[chilly dawn]

I think nemona/mr kills most of them tbh

Like between them, it's gonna be hard finding a team to do both

[stable storm]

nemona mr is a pretty deadly combination yes

[snow spruce]

he can give himself + Cynthia both max guards right before Nemonas sync

[snow spruce]

Avery doesnt have status, does he ?

[chilly dawn]

Anyway I need to scrounge some grids for this shit

[true lagoon]

no thats klara

[stable storm]

That's why the ~~ ~~

[paper mural]

They really think Arcduo + a third did too many ubs so they need to kill some variants.

[chilly dawn]

What do I want to do for Arc Steven grid? My default is Haymaker, Potion MPR, Endure Again and HS1, think it needs changing up.

[river prawn]

Not like his grid has much options

[chilly dawn]

Yeah

[river prawn]

Aggravation is a must tho

[chilly dawn]

I was thinking furious brawn over haymaker

[river prawn]

why don't you abuse flinch when you can

Evelyn is destroyed by flinch

[chilly dawn]

He syncs once and headbutts a lot

Ok

[fringe stratus]

the hit attack wont get triggered by the sidemons on masked royal UB if using nc leaf leer or venom drench right?

[river prawn]

hit attack?

[true lagoon]

well status moves are not an attacking move

[fringe stratus]

hit attack spA up passive

ye just making sure

[chilly dawn]

What do I do for arc cynthia's grid? Already have haymaker, def crush and moves/sync up in sand

[river prawn]

Its really not complicated

you have all she wants

[chilly dawn]

You'd think so but I am notoriously stupid

[low coral]

Haymaker and Sand Up 5 are the big ones

The rest is what you prefer

[river prawn]

Def crush is not needed

[low coral]

Defense Crush, Team Sand Immunity, Team Status Change Apply, etc.

[river prawn]

when you run Steven

[chilly dawn]

Fair

I think I will redo that for the ub

The main thing I want is sand mpr but hey ho

They really wanted you to go to 5

[river prawn]

most of her clears don't need dust kicker

[fringe stratus]

yo anybody up for toxic chance 2 bulldoze clay for masked royal UB

aoe poison+speed debuffs

[snow spruce]

@stable storm both Arc Duo + BT Leon and Arc Duo + SST Red can do MR & Nemona IMO. Maybe OIeana too, idk
so some teams can survive this Great Filtering
and IMO at least one Ice team variant will also be able to do both, maybe even 2 (big maybe)
but everyone else is gone I think (unless Poison team manages Nemona too .. not impossible with AoE protect + Roxie benefits from the free terrain)
Flying and the "filler" Arc Duo teams are definitely gone

[chilly dawn]

Yeah ok idk on this one

I'm trying it and just... Second sync wipes

Not even at half by that point

[low coral]

Poison on Nemona sounds very hard

Both Oleana and Roxie need debuffs for nuking

[snow spruce]

oh yeah their multipliers .. nvm then, RIP

[low coral]

What's the status change as well?

Besides Oleana's one time rebuff

[river prawn]

Oleanas rebuff

but one time is harsh

[low coral]

But Poison can't rush this

[chilly dawn]

Yeah one shot of rebuff is not enough

[river prawn]

Hardly anyone can rush because of no flinch

[snow spruce]

with Arc Duo on Nemona - you just sync with Cynthia and hold Stevens first sync for right after Nemonas sync ? to apply second status change

[chilly dawn]

But yeah... Idk whar's going wrong with my Evelyns. There's just nowhere near enough damage coming out to be in a winnable position

Last run was a solid one till second sync wiped me with 57% left on middle, 20ish on side.

[low coral]

Well, Poison can try to remove Electric Terrain with Roxie

[river prawn]

I think I know what is the issue

[low coral]

Since idt Nemona had extension, did she?

[river prawn]

have to know what you are doing when trying to flinch

[paper mural]

For poison's Argenta clear, I believe they rely on SS Mina's 50% confusion in the later half hp.

[low coral]

So Roxie could remove it twice in a relatively short time

[chilly dawn]

I'm not exactly "trying" to flinch anything, just slinging iron heads at middle and if it happens, it happens

[low coral]

Well, you'll need more, but still

[snow spruce]

she doesnt, no. Yeah maybe Roxies manual terrain can work. And roxie doesnt have terrain extension either which is good

[chilly dawn]

Didn't happen last run at all

[river prawn]

see that is not the way

[chilly dawn]

Idk what other way to go about it, it's not like it's a reliable condition

[river prawn]

60% is pretty good

[chilly dawn]

I've just been using iron head as secondary dps

[low coral]

But you'll probably lose Sync Induction and have to go for MPR

[chilly dawn]

Cynthia does tm first, sand tombs till just before her first sync, then sand goes up for her first sync and then it's EQs, throw sand back up before fourth sync ideally

[river prawn]

...

sand tomb spam?

[chilly dawn]

Iris just pings atk or spatk and pops TM to fix a fucked quad

[snow spruce]

Its weird that the first "obligatory remove WTZ, thats not a weather" UB they did - was for a terrain, not for a zone
There are 10 times more zone setters than terrain setters
and also before even doing a hail UB

[rich heron]

Poison weak masked royal says that Morgan will be psychic weak

[river prawn]

if Morgan has virizion

[chilly dawn]

Well EQ isn't an option till sand goes up and burning a sand charge on t1 is a bit of a waste with how much she relies on sand for her nuke

[rich heron]

Yes

[river prawn]

its not a given

[rich heron]

Most probably

[stable storm]

morgan uses what legends again

[chilly dawn]

Entire blades trio and the birds I think?

[river prawn]

delaying your main source of damage is not as smart as it seems to you

[stable storm]

isn't it more than 10 times?

[chilly dawn]

Ok so sand t2 then?

[low coral]

Terrains did come to the game way before Zones

[fringe stratus]

whats nemonas weakness again?

[chilly dawn]

T1 doesn't work, there's no gauge after steven's TM

[river prawn]

t1 Steven should flinch anyways

[chilly dawn]

Especially after tm and iris

[river prawn]

not do tm

[chilly dawn]

Huh.

[snow spruce]

yeah but since then zones have taken over everything
even fairy is a zone, not terrain

[river prawn]

and then instaque B bullet punch

after flinch

[fast pendant]

you shouldn't need super well done rotations, I mean, the 2 arcs can duo her

[river prawn]

That too

But need some semblance of good playing

nothing optimal

[snow spruce]

because Nemona AoE debuffs def and spdef - this might the first time that 5/5 Stevens sync burst is genuinely very useful
since you do want the extra +2 def/spdef from that 4-th B-move

[river prawn]

he himself is immune to that

depends if it spreads a lot on team

[snow spruce]

yeah, but not team

every Nemona AoE attack wil debuff them -1 each defence

and you want them to be at +6 for her sync

[river prawn]

the difference from like +4 to +6 difference is not big

[snow spruce]

I wonder if SS Lear circles x1.15 DR can actually allow both your dps to survive the Nemona sync

if yes then he is also an option for Arc Duo for Nemona

But not for MR, sadly

[chilly dawn]

Oh so it's bpunch after ih first?

I was doing tm second

Largely bc I think I can skip a cycle if I do it right

Hs1 off steven, cynthia accels on sand and iris has tm, so I could cut a cycle off first sync if I do it right, and that should help the damage issues

Ok that didn't work

I think I need a different ls on arcyn

Throw her cs2 or something

[fast pendant]

what does she have rn

[chilly dawn]

What LS do people use for the arcs

Atm, she has the one off her cookie from the event, it's sync up in sand 4

Sand Blaster 4, that's it

And steven has team healing entry

[fast pendant]

cs2 is better for her, and I don't find team healing that useful personally

[chilly dawn]

Which... Screws the quadqueue but it's necessary to keep people alive

[fast pendant]

that ls has no impact on quad queue

[chilly dawn]

Without it Iris dies to second sync

It does bc it locks out when it reprocs on his sync

[fast pendant]

no it doesn't

that's his multi ex effect

that does mess up

[chilly dawn]

Well something's blocking the quadqueue, and that's the only skill coming up after

[shrewd marten]

Runner just told you it’s the multi ex effect

[chilly dawn]

I was typing that as he was posting

Oh ffs

This might be winnable

But they crit cynthia every single time on the second sync

Also when do you use the second sand for cynthia?

First sync, third sync, when?

[final yacht]

MR UB infos added to the doc

[peak mist]

What weakness is the new mr ub

Oh nvm you just added to doc I’ll check there

[chilly dawn]

Ok fuck that, I'm just gonna wait till something works or I out vigilance on arcyn

That fight is miserable

I don't even want to consider the giovanni fight

[snow spruce]

if you think little Evelyn is bad - just wait for new MR or Nemona after that

IMO they are both contenders for hardest UBs (to offtype)

[chilly dawn]

MR I have Geeta at least to make some part of it work

I can at least attempt those two ontype

I do not have good fairies

Like genuinely, to ontype evelyn I have to resort to fucking NY Lisia

Because I have none of the other shits

[fading walrus]

Idk Leon still seems the hardest to me

Need to check so much shit that even top tier triple support clears are super hard

[chilly dawn]

Evelyn/Leon/Palmer/Giovanni/Nita are the ones I haven't done

[fading walrus]

It's not like UBs are must to ontype

[chilly dawn]

No but I tried both and neither worked

Like I tried NC Cheren/Irida for nita and it collapsed