Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[hearty cedar]

Any reason to use zerena over nate?

[stable storm]

+rosa

[hearty cedar]

Yep

[stable storm]

pretty sure you want rosa with Lance so Nate should be preferred

[hearty cedar]

Ik that

[stable storm]

if you want restrain ig? but rebuff usually fills everything restrain does

[snow spruce]

what Lance needs is a very busted dragon support with dragon zone

[stable storm]

does zerena have any debuffs?

[hearty cedar]

I'm asking if there's anyway that lance prefers zerena in any way except in ubs where her restrain can help? Well rosa can help with teeter dance for that too so ig not

[stable storm]

drayden real

[hearty cedar]

Oh ye true

[hearty cedar]

Nope

[snow spruce]

nope

[jade marsh]

It’s way more than 60% imo

[stable storm]

Does zerena have trap?

Lance b move scaling is definitely at least ss glad level

[jade marsh]

Lance has no DPS Mult, likely because of his b move scaling

[hearty cedar]

Ik, I'm just lowballing the number. Like, setting my expectations very low

[hearty cedar]

Insult to injury

[paper mural]

Nope again. The only utility she has is restrain and support ex.

[snow spruce]

tbh I am going to use ArLance with ArCynthia. Just combine ST damage with AoE damage

[stable storm]

Lance should be one of the strongest st dds in general?

[hearty cedar]

Probably

Need to see if he's better than red and cheren or not

[stable storm]

I probably won't go for Lance but if I do somehow get him I will use nate+ nc rosa with him

[stable storm]

they are aoe dds

I am talking about st dds

[hearty cedar]

Red can switch between aoe and st

[wary hemlock]

ok so hows latios EB

[jade marsh]

I didn’t see that, fair enough

[hearty cedar]

Need time to get details

[jade marsh]

But even then 1 for a MF is pretty low

[wary hemlock]

latios gonna get revenge

[jade marsh]

We’ll just see

[snow spruce]

I like that after sides die - Cynthia becomes a ST 300BP damage dealer with 500+ Atk
So not just good at AoE. So balanced

[hearty cedar]

Look at memebeam and memeimpact lol

[stable storm]

30 minutes till details

[hearty cedar]

Ye but she's not an overwhelming nuker compared to few others

[jade marsh]

Well AoE is the nerf

[stable storm]

[legend_theme_6080_001] Lower each opponent’s stats to
nullify their damage reduction!

[legend_rule_6080_001] The first time Latios’s HP reaches 60% or
lower, it endures with that HP.
[legend_rule_6080_002] The opponent gains more damage reduction
the more its stats have been raised in total.
[legend_rule_6080_003] When an opponent’s Attack, Sp. Atk, or
Sp. Def is raised, that opponent’s moves
and sync moves are powered up.

[jade marsh]

Having to start at 50%

[hearty cedar]

Or maybe i'll have to check calcs

[paper mural]

ArCynthia is like a perfect striker. Every boosts a striker want (minus circle) she compresses herself.

[stable storm]

what we know do far @wary hemlock

[hearty cedar]

This is why I wanted p.blows on nate

[wary hemlock]

they literally just improves all the flaws og cyjthia have

[stable storm]

We were robbed of no split and p blows

haxorus even has mold breaker in games

[hearty cedar]

But he aint giving up even with his handicap

[stable storm]

they went further than the flaws

[paper mural]

While ArLance is prob made for boosting NC Nate. Kinda unfair

[stable storm]

ARlance is made to kill stuff st

[hearty cedar]

Nate and lance boost each other. Like harmony

[stable storm]

it's just that Nate is more enabler like so he boosts Lance more

[hearty cedar]

This is why I wanted field ex on ss nemona. See how nate is still benefiting from it

If we get an arc fairy unit, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't see ss nemona there

[snow spruce]

True, but if you factor in the sync being 360 BP (over 300/240 of normal roles ) and that she can get +90% sync damage from attacking trapped enemies
it becomes pretty strong.
150%+90% = 240%. And you can get another 40% from her sand blaster 4 cookie
and of course the ground zone compression too

[hearty cedar]

Yep, it'll take a bit of time to kill sides but once they are gone its gg

That's what I do with nate

[wary hemlock]

there haymaker

[hearty cedar]

Cynthia has rebuffs on top of that

[stable storm]

ww3 over sand blaster 4 imo

[wary hemlock]

add that with ground rebuff + zone

[hearty cedar]

Sand blaster 4 is not worth it

[snow spruce]

just noticed this lol

Sandstorm: P-Moves ↑ & S-Moves ↑ 5
this boosts regular moves too, not just sync
so Cynthias 300BP move becomes 450 BP ..

[stable storm]

will sides even survive 2 nukes

[hearty cedar]

Ubs might

Maybe not

[stable storm]

this is probably one of the most insane grid tiles

[paper mural]

I still appreciate that they rmb to give ArLance para so he can be used in dc along with Nate without the key strat change.

[stable storm]

I only see nita sides surviving

[stable storm]

AR Lance gonna get 3.5 mil in st

[hearty cedar]

Thorton's sides have sentry entry but I killed them with just nate's nuke

Cynthia has a lower sync multiplier from the grid but has rebuffs so if the sides dont have sentry entry then she should kill them without issues

[stable storm]

trust

[hearty cedar]

Nita is BS anyway

[stable storm]

Nita is the only battle that hard counters Cynthia

[hearty cedar]

We were literally discussing lucas vs nate for ST dragon DC. Now it's clear that it's gonna be colress + nate + lance

[snow spruce]

yup. Everything else will melt
SS Mina can help Cynthia beat Nita easily, but I kinda wanna do it without Mina

[hearty cedar]

I still cant figure out a way to beat her even with lance

Using dragon core I mean

Maybe with bulu? It'll be a pain tho(if it works)

[snow spruce]

One thing is that Cynthias ground +1 rebuffs will help against Nita at least

[hearty cedar]

Does cynthia have any sand multipliers for dmg and sync?

[final yacht]

[hearty cedar]

Cs5 in sand huh

[river prawn]

Yes 50%

[gentle wharf]

Oof

So close

[river prawn]

Just like NC Red in hail

[snow spruce]

50% for damage and 50% for sync. But Haymaker doesnt need sand and neither does SyncMoveNext
you can definitely do it with SS Mina even without sand
(btw Cynthia can debuff speed too just like Irida)

[hearty cedar]

So close. Any improvements you can make?

[final yacht]

SP3 over CS2

And uh, maybe use TM instead of SEUN for regular moves, idk which is better

Ig +4 PMUN is better than SEUN ?

[hearty cedar]

The thing that sucks is that these units need yellow candies and we get 1 for 6 months unless we buy gems

[river prawn]

Pray you pull more

[hearty cedar]

Lets pray that we can atleast get 1 of all of them

Then we can think about getting more copies

[snow spruce]

while Cynthia + Steven is her best duo overall .. I'm kinda thinking SS Mina + ArCynthia + ArLance (?) as a team for all UBs, maybe
Mina is just so stupidly useful at counterting the worst UBs

[hearty cedar]

Could work

[final yacht]

Ah UB infos are up

[snow spruce]

Lance can debuff Atk/Spatk too so that covered

lol its Fairy weak?

[final yacht]

lol yup

[hearty cedar]

Wait what?

[hearty cedar]

Called it

[final yacht]

no mega latios

[boreal abyss]

Fairy weak we chilling

[gentle wharf]

Freaking Fairy lol

Hmm let me think

[final yacht]

fluid fortification

[gentle wharf]

1/5 SS Nemona and 3/5 SS Gladion…

[hearty cedar]

Ss gladion:- hold my bmove

[stable storm]

send pls

[final yacht]

SS Nemona:

[spiral summit]

@swift scarab New UB has Fairy weak

[final yacht]

https://pastebin.com/7bfqcaie

im updating the doc rn

[snow spruce]

lol I mixed up Steven and Lance again lmao. Nvm

[hearty cedar]

Why summon arc fairs when masterfairs are still this dominating

[stable storm]

fairy team finally gets to cause violence

[hearty cedar]

Pull arc fairs to enhance masterfairs

[spiral summit]

Easy 300 gems

[final yacht]

can be flinched

[valid raft]

Fairy?

[stable storm]

Reseliance then

can anyone send pics of the details?my pastebin is being weird

pls and thx

[snow spruce]

this UB seems mid
i think ArCynthia and ArSteven can duo it

[low coral]

Latios doesn't appear too crazy, yeah

[wary hemlock]

aww

[paper mural]

679525 HP

[low coral]

But Steven and Cynthia won't duo it lol

[wary hemlock]

latios not enough power for revenge

[stable storm]

can you please send pics of the details

[stable storm]

latios?more like latiass

[snow spruce]

its like Anabel only without sun and with less HP ?

[valid raft]

Lat-EOS

[wary hemlock]

i meam revenge from LA

[hearty cedar]

Latios is pmex must always stay a meme

Post it's details here pls. Too much scrolling involved in the pastebin

[snow spruce]

well at least the stats are high
4224 Attack
but still meh

[stable storm]

did we get Anabel but fair?

[hearty cedar]

Another weather stage?

Sun again????

[stable storm]

no

no sun

[hearty cedar]

Thank god

Sun teams can shine

[stable storm]

we got Anabel but no weather and less hp and attack

[paper mural]

Maybe Darach tier. I don't think it'll be the easiest UB... maybe?

[hearty cedar]

The sun comp is clearing then

[stable storm]

is pastebin working for you?

[gentle wharf]

Latios Vs Darach and Lucy for most accessible UB?

[dim lance]

wait until it actually happens before deciding

[hearty cedar]

Nita should learn a thing or 2 from evelyn

[final yacht]

It seems fairly weak

[hearty cedar]

680k hp huh

How much does thorton and argenta have again?

[low coral]

Those EBEs don't appear to have a theme boost

And are kinda looking like mini-UBs lol

[stable storm]

No theme boost should be fine

[final yacht]

Infos are up on the doc

[low coral]

Red straight up has more HP than Lucy's UB

[final yacht]

for evelyn ub

[warm haven]

Exactly this

[stable storm]

thx

now just gotta get the ebe details somehow

(I hate pastebin. It doesn't work for me usually)

[weary totem]

sorry to interrupt but do you guys think theres any chance I beat Anabel? this is my best fairy team (gladion has his ex role)

im getting good progress but penny always seems to die right before I can get Gladion's big nukes out so idk if im doing it wrong or just 1/5-checked

[low coral]

I was worried about the Attack buff gimmick, but it looks pre-syncable for Ice to me

Although Berserk Bunch activates even when Dragapults used a TM, which is bad

[paper mural]

Change the weather. It's the last piece you're lacking.

[weary totem]

ohhh i see, ty i'll see what i can do

[final yacht]

Im not used to him
When you beat Palmer, who attacks next between Snorlax and Empoleon

[low coral]

Wait, does Dragapult even have a TM?

[final yacht]

no

[low coral]

Huh

That's a surprise, but a welcome one for sure

[final yacht]

he has the extremely powerful and terrifying Dragon Claw instead

[stable storm]

evelynn doesn't have that many attack buffs?

does she have any multipliers on attack?

[final yacht]

sharpened mind 9

all 3 have a dps mult based on the stat they raise

[stable storm]

that seems.... very manageable

they don't stack multipliers

only a bit bulky because of fluid fort but not that much hp

[final yacht]

if you can drop atk, spa and spd all at once it's super free

[stable storm]

wally + ss glad moment:

[final yacht]

most important being spa

ss nemona drops 1 of them

[stable storm]

I'd reckon even ss hau clears with ss glad and grusha

[stable storm]

ss glad stonks

[final yacht]

another UB duo'd by nc blue and sst red

[distant estuary]

So glad I got SS Nemona from banner early and Penny from ticket

[final yacht]

same

[stable storm]

Could anyone please dm me the ebe text or pics if possible?

pastebin isn't working for me

I will throw ss glad ss hau and grusha at it

[final yacht]

lmaoooo they made an ss lyra opponent with staggering 9

because of course

[craggy wind]

Ok good i can cheese this with NC Blue again

[dim lance]

"time to have a taste of your own medicine"

[snow spruce]

@low coral new UB definitely seems duo'able by both NC blue + SST red and now also ArSteven + arCynthia
I dont see what would stop them. Both duos have a ton of debuffs

[low coral]

Sp. Def debuffs are limited

Probably the biggest stop for Cyn + Steven

[snow spruce]

ArSteven can do total -8 SpDef with sync burst, is that not enough?
also Mind Games 2 hehe

[final yacht]

You OK red ? 💀

bro has 20 passives

[hearty cedar]

What stage needs more than that?

Anabel?

[low coral]

And more HP than Lucy's UB

[final yacht]

lmao true

[valid raft]

Is this an EB?

[snow spruce]

is that red from EBE?

[valid raft]

What's Absol's pastebin link again?

[stable storm]

Dena really wants to return the favour to us

[stable storm]

??

[final yacht]

kanto ebe

doom i dm'd you all ebe as you asked

[stable storm]

thx mate

[final yacht]

kanto is the strongest of all 3, based on hp and the amount of passive

[valid raft]

Gimme pastebin link pls.

[final yacht]

it's in absol's like usual

[valid raft]

Damn

Wait, I thought you not "not in absol's"

[rotund oasis]

uhhh, what's the upgrade/power for it? vs kanto?

[valid raft]

[low coral]

The doc didn't mention any boost

[valid raft]

No boost? Means it's free-for-all?

[rotund oasis]

wait a sec, isn't this nc red's champion fight battle in special stadium?

[valid raft]

I mean, it's an EB, so it's definitely different compared to CS

[final yacht]

nah stadium is still weak af

[valid raft]

Easily countered by one sun setter

[rotund oasis]

oh its using defenses instead. he doesnt seem to have any kind of protection from... being flinched. o.o

heh....

[valid raft]

Hmmmm, there's an EB about SS Ethan

[low coral]

They're all trios

[stable storm]

what are the weaknesses of all the ubs

[rotund oasis]

333k though hrm. that's kinda overkill hrm

[stable storm]

No theme boost should make these manageable

[valid raft]

It's a free-for-all anyways

Since no boost

[stable storm]

so the weaknesses are?

[snow spruce]

they are mini-UBs at best

[rotund oasis]

welp, time to flinch to hell and back xD

[stable storm]

Chop seems cheesable

I assume sides also buff the stats?

[rotund oasis]

iff they dont have resilience and anti flinch, get wrecked by ss lyra gaming xD

[stable storm]

they probably have reseliance

[valid raft]

Johtrio: Electric (SS Ethan and SS Kris) and Poison (SS Kris)
Galar Trio: Ice
Unova Trio: Fairy (SS N), Fire (SS Hilbert) and Water (SS Hilda)
Kanto Trio: Rock

[rotund oasis]

if they do have resilience, mix blue, nc leaf and ss morty gaming 🙂

ii'm assuming ebe nc red is weak to fire

[gentle wharf]

We can use the same units for each battle?

Or do they get used up

[stable storm]

thx

I feel bad for unova and johtrio

[gentle wharf]

Why lol

[stable storm]

they are mini ubs

[gentle wharf]

Ah ok

[stable storm]

Unova has the weakness of the 3 types competing for spots 3-5 in terms of strongest types

[snow spruce]

the usual UB teams can probably just stomp them all
red is the strongest one and he only has 333 000 HP and 1725 Attack

unless I missed something

[stable storm]

johtrio has electric (2nd strongest type) and poison (another type competing for 2-5)

galar has ice weakness

[stable storm]

his gimmick is hail only right?

[valid raft]

Pastebin of the EBs
https://pastebin.com/7bfqcaie

[gentle wharf]

He’s got a bajillion hail passives at lest haha

[lunar sedge]

any UB pastebin?

[valid raft]

Tough Sync and Tough Cookie

[snow spruce]

reds only real gimmick is hail

[valid raft]

Need to defense debuff him

[snow spruce]

Tough Sync 3 is only 30% tbh, its whatever

[valid raft]

Because of this:
Passive 15: Defense ↑: P-Move DR & S-Move DR 8

80% mitigation if defense is raised

[snow spruce]

oh

yeah

[lunar sedge]

oh fairy weak UB yay

[valid raft]

Leaf has this:
Passive 1: Resilience
Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
Passive 3: Sunburst
Passive 4: Drought Alert 5
Passive 5: Drought Alert 5
Passive 6: Sunny: Team Moves ↑ 9
Passive 7: Speeding Sun 3
Passive 8: Team Sunbathe 9
Passive 9: Overexposure 1
Passive 10: Sunny Disposition
Passive 11: Team Solar Immunity
Passive 12: Tough Cookie
Passive 13: Defense ↑: P-Move DR & S-Move DR 8
Passive 14: Piercing Gaze
Passive 15: Standfast 9
Passive 16: Fire Shift

[snow spruce]

if only there was a weather setter with defence debuffs haha

[sacred haven]

Got Take on Allister! Part 2 done with...

5/5 Arven, 1/5 Summer N, 5/5 Piers

[valid raft]

It seems you really need to defense debuff the Kantrio EB

Otherwise your damage goes to shit

And finally, the mother all the gimmicks for this fight, Bluedos:
Passive 1: Resilience
Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
Passive 3: Tough Cookie
Passive 4: Defense ↑: P-Move DR & S-Move DR 8
Passive 5: Team Sentry Entry 1
Passive 6: Shielded 1
Passive 7: Team Offensive Defense 9
Passive 8: Recharging Strike 9
Passive 9: Piercing Gaze
Passive 10: Combo Freebie 9

Team Sentry 1

[snow spruce]

Kantos mini-UB looks like its made for Arc Cynthia despite being Rock weak
what rock pairs have weather and lots of defence debuffs ? NC silver?

[hearty cedar]

Ss diantha + nc silver combo

[stable storm]

ss diantha plus bertha plus rosa or smth time

[valid raft]

Blue has Shielded and Team Offensive Defensive 9, which means he can AoE buff defense by 2 if he uses a move

[stable storm]

bertha plus diantha victim

[snow spruce]

ArCynthia can do -2 AoE defence per attack, yeah she fully counters this

[stable storm]

why is blue looking so easy

[valid raft]

Because he's the one who makes your damage turn to shit

[stable storm]

character accurate

[snow spruce]

even with Red having Ice sync it should be EZ

[stable storm]

anyways ciris(double drop) yamper and diantha victim

I am so glad I have ss diantha

[valid raft]

How to replace weather then?

[stable storm]

blue has weather?

[valid raft]

Red and Leaf has, hail and sun to be specific

[stable storm]

ciris double drop works on all stat drops right?

[valid raft]

If she drops it herself, yeah

[gentle wharf]

Only on the ones she inflicts iirc

[paper mural]

Do these regional ebes have booster?
In the past if it has booster it'll be written in the datamine, but I don't see it.

[stable storm]

For them I just toss in bertha yamper and ss diantha

[gentle wharf]

So attack, special attack, and defense if you cookie her

[echo atlas]

What is this?

[stable storm]

nope

[valid raft]

Now for the Unova Trio EB

[low coral]

Isn't she Ice-weak?

[valid raft]

NPC Middle 1-1: 148000 HP (Sygna Suit N - Black Kyurem)
2587 Attack
80 Defense
2587 Sp. Atk
80 Sp. Def
66 Speed
Move 1: Icy Wind (Unlimited)
Move 2: Brutal Swing (Uses 1)
Move 3: Giga Impact (Unlimited)
Move 4: Blizzard (Unlimited)
Move 5: X Attack All (Uses 1)
Move 6: Sure Crit All (Unlimited)
Sync Move: World-Changing Freeze Shock
Passive 1: Resilience
Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
Passive 3: Unaffected by Field Effect: Defense & Sp. Def ×3
Passive 4: Bedazzle 1
Passive 5: Discombobulate 9
Passive 6: Dirty Fighting 5
Passive 7: S-Move: Team Sp. Atk ↑ 2
Passive 8: Piercing Gaze
Passive 9: S-Move on Opp: Paralyze
Passive 10: Group Slapdash 9
Passive 11: Dirty Sync 6
Passive 12: Paralyzed Opp Fail ↑ 5
Passive 13: Sync Move: Team Speed ↑ 2
Focus on these!
Focus 1: Fairy Zone

[sacred haven]

Got Take on Piers! Part 2 done with 3/5 NC Hop, 3/5 NC Bianca and 3/5 NC Bede...

[valid raft]

It seems that the Unova Trio EB centers on missing your attacks

[gentle wharf]

Anniversary extreme battles that are like mini ultimate battles

[valid raft]

NPC Right 2-1: 40700 HP (Sygna Suit Hilbert - Genesect)
2415 Attack
80 Defense
2415 Sp. Atk
80 Sp. Def
200 Speed
Move 1: Techno Blast (Unlimited)
Move 2: X Sp. Atk All (Uses 1)
Move 3: Metal Sound (Uses 1)
Move 4: Techno Blast (Unlimited)
Move 5: Blizzard (Unlimited)

        Passive 1: Resilience
        Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
        Passive 3: Unaffected by Field Effect: Defense & Sp. Def ×3
        Passive 4: Entry Freebie
        Passive 5: Discombobulate 9
        Passive 6: Dirty Fighting 5
        Passive 7: Numbing Blow 9
        Passive 8: Use Status P-Move on Opp: Defense ↓2 9
        Passive 9: Ridicure 9
        Passive 10: Twofer 9
        Passive 11: Ripple Effect 9
        Passive 12: Paralyzed Opp Fail ↑ 5
        Passive 13: Bug Shift
        Passive 14: Piercing Gaze
    Focus on these!
        Focus 1: Sunny

[gentle wharf]

Field effect of course

[valid raft]

NPC Left 3-1: 40700 HP (Sygna Suit Hilda - Victini)
2415 Attack
80 Defense
2415 Sp. Atk
80 Sp. Def
200 Speed
Move 1: Searing Shot (Unlimited)
Move 2: X Attack All (Uses 1)
Move 3: V-create (Unlimited)
Move 4: V-create (Unlimited)
Move 5: Searing Shot (Unlimited)

        Passive 1: Resilience
        Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
        Passive 3: Unaffected by Field Effect: Defense & Sp. Def ×3
        Passive 4: Entry Freebie
        Passive 5: Discombobulate 9
        Passive 6: Dirty Fighting 5
        Passive 7: Scorching Touch 9
        Passive 8: Recharging Strike 9
        Passive 9: Piercing Gaze
        Passive 10: Ripple Effect 9
        Passive 11: Ridicure 9
    Focus on these!
        Focus 1: Rain

Fairy zone, sun and rain

[gentle wharf]

Sunny and Rain LMAO

[snow spruce]

not a problem, she wont die from 1 Ice sync at full HP and +6 defences, especially if you debuff his SpAtk
Assuming red even gets to sync

plus she has ~900 hp

[valid raft]

Galar trio

NPC Middle 1-1: 166500 HP (Marnie (Champion) - Moltres (Galarian Form))
2760 Attack
80 Defense
2760 Sp. Atk
80 Sp. Def
66 Speed
Move 1: Snarl (Unlimited)
Move 2: Brave Bird (Unlimited)
Move 3: Fiery Wrath (Unlimited)
Move 4: Brave Bird (Unlimited)
Move 5: X Sp. Atk All (Uses 1)
Move 6: Dire Hit All + (Uses 2)
Sync Move: Distaste for Defeat Fiery Wrath
Passive 1: Resilience
Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
Passive 3: Endurance
Passive 4: Move Gauge Refresh 9
Passive 5: Standfast 9
Passive 6: Brawn Sync 5
Passive 7: Furious Brawn
Passive 8: Brain Sync 5
Passive 9: Furious Brain
Passive 10: Relentless
Passive 11: Insult to Injury
Passive 12: Smarty-Pants
Passive 13: Brainteaser
Passive 14: Stout Heart 3
Passive 15: Steady Resolve 3
Passive 16: Piercing Gaze
Passive 17: Catalytic Acceleration
Passive 18: 1st S-Move on Opp: Defense ↓ & Sp. Def ↓ 2
Focus on these!
Focus 1: Attack Down
Focus 2: Sp. Atk Down

This one focuses on debuffing your defensive stats

And having multipliers for it

NPC Right 2-1: 77700 HP (Hop (Champion) - Zapdos (Galarian Form))
2587 Attack
80 Defense
2587 Sp. Atk
80 Sp. Def
200 Speed
Move 1: Swift (Uses 1)
Move 2: Thunderous Kick (Unlimited)
Move 3: X Attack All (Uses 1)
Move 4: Thunderous Kick (Unlimited)
Move 5: Giga Impact (Unlimited)

        Passive 1: Resilience
        Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
        Passive 3: Double Drop
        Passive 4: Ripple Effect 9
        Passive 5: Combo Freebie 9
        Passive 6: Stout Heart 3
        Passive 7: Steady Resolve 3
        Passive 8: Brainteaser
        Passive 9: Piercing Gaze
        Passive 10: Insult to Injury
        Passive 11: Defense Crush 9
        Passive 12: Mind Games 9
    Focus on these!
        Focus 1: Defense Up
        Focus 2: Sp. Def Up

Ripple Effect 9 and Double Drop

Means -2 defensive stats per attack to the team

[gentle wharf]

Varied and yet seemingly countered by the Arc Suits haha

[stable storm]

rng after sync?

[valid raft]

I'll have to make the move rotation

Prolly do it by this Thursday

NPC Left 3-1: 77700 HP (Bede (Champion) - Articuno (Galarian Form))
2587 Attack
80 Defense
2587 Sp. Atk
80 Sp. Def
200 Speed
Move 1: X Speed All (Uses 1)
Move 2: Brave Bird (Unlimited)
Move 3: Freezing Glare (Unlimited)
Move 4: Freezing Glare (Unlimited)
Move 5: Hyper Voice (Unlimited)

        Passive 1: Resilience
        Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
        Passive 3: Berserk Bunch 1
        Passive 4: All Ramped Up 1
        Passive 5: Move: Team Attack ↑ & Sp. Atk ↑ 9
        Passive 6: Combo Freebie 9
        Passive 7: Steady Resolve 3
        Passive 8: Stout Heart 3
        Passive 9: Furious Brawn
        Passive 10: Furious Brain
        Passive 11: Piercing Gaze
        Passive 12: Standfast 9
    Focus on these!
        Focus 1: Attack Down
        Focus 2: Sp. Atk Down

[river prawn]

these stages sure do debuff a lot

[sacred haven]

Got Take on Bea! Part 2 done with V Elio 1/5, Avery 2/5 and NC Bede 3/5

[valid raft]

Alola Trio now

[stable storm]

what if tank has unbending

[valid raft]

You'd only tank the defense debuff, not the Sp. Def. debuff

NPC Middle 1-1: 170200 HP (Sygna Suit Lusamine - Necrozma Dusk Mane)
2760 Attack
80 Defense
2760 Sp. Atk
80 Sp. Def
66 Speed
Move 1: Prismatic Laser (Unlimited)
Move 2: Hyper Voice (Unlimited)
Move 3: Prismatic Laser (Unlimited)
Move 4: Heat Wave (Unlimited)
Move 5: X Sp. Atk All (Uses 1)
Move 6: Dire Hit All + (Uses 2)
Sync Move: Loving Light That Burns the Sky
Passive 1: Resilience
Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
Passive 3: No Negative Status Change: Defense ×3 & Sp. Def ×3
Passive 4: Friend Care 9
Passive 5: Entry Freebie
Passive 6: Quick Tempo
Passive 7: Catalyst
Passive 8: Brainteaser
Passive 9: Smarty-Pants
Passive 10: Steady Resolve 3
Passive 11: S-Move: Team Remove Negative Status Change 9
Passive 12: Team Pinpoint Entry 2
Passive 13: P-Move/S-Move on Opp: Sp. Def ↓2 9

[stable storm]

what if tank has both

[valid raft]

Ultra Necrozma
2760 Attack
80 Defense
2760 Sp. Atk
80 Sp. Def
66 Speed
Move 1: Prismatic Laser (Unlimited)
Move 2: Hyper Voice (Unlimited)
Move 3: Prismatic Laser (Unlimited)
Move 4: Heat Wave (Unlimited)
Move 5: X Sp. Atk All (Uses 1)
Move 6: Dire Hit All + (Uses 2)
Passive 1: Lessen Poison 10
Passive 2: No Negative Status Change: Defense ×3 & Sp. Def ×3
Passive 3: Friend Care 9
Passive 4: Move Gauge Refresh 9
Passive 5: Quick Tempo
Passive 6: Catalyst
Passive 7: Brainteaser
Passive 8: Smarty-Pants
Passive 9: Steady Resolve 3
Passive 10: S-Move: Team Remove Negative Status Change 9
Passive 11: Team Precision Strike 9
Passive 12: P-Move/S-Move on Opp: Sp. Def ↓2 9
Passive 13: Hit: Team Sp. Atk ↑ 9
Focus on these!
Focus 1: Dark Type Rebuff ↓
Focus 2: Sp. Atk Down

[stable storm]

what if tank has unbending from grid and sp def unbending from ls

is chop just negated?

I have grusha who has impervious

[valid raft]

You'd need to debuff their offensive stats as well, at least according to the tips

Alola trio EB focuses on Sp. Atk. multipliers and Sp. Def. debuffing you to death

[gentle wharf]

Debuff offenses them too huh

And Rebuff, Joy

[valid raft]

NPC Right 2-1: 66600 HP (Sygna Suit Gladion - Magearna)
2415 Attack
80 Defense
2415 Sp. Atk
80 Sp. Def
200 Speed
Move 1: X Sp. Atk All (Uses 1)
Move 2: Fleur Cannon (Unlimited)
Move 3: Steel Beam (Unlimited)
Move 4: Fleur Cannon (Unlimited)
Move 5: Giga Impact (Unlimited)

        Passive 1: Resilience
        Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
        Passive 3: No Negative Status Change: Defense ×3 & Sp. Def ×3
        Passive 4: Friend Care 9
        Passive 5: Twofer 9
        Passive 6: Brainteaser
        Passive 7: Steady Resolve 3
        Passive 8: Standfast 9
        Passive 9: Ramp Up 1
        Passive 10: Team Mind Games 9
    Focus on these!
        Focus 1: Dark Type Rebuff ↓
        Focus 2: Sp. Atk Down

[stable storm]

hop seems to have no non defense drop multipliers and grusha even destroys attack buffs so....grusha victim

galar ebe seems like grusha victim ngl

[valid raft]

You need to worry about Marnie

NPC Left 3-1: 111000 HP (Lillie (Anniversary 2021) - Lunala)
2415 Attack
80 Defense
2415 Sp. Atk
80 Sp. Def
200 Speed
Move 1: Blizzard (Unlimited)
Move 2: Moongeist Beam (Unlimited)
Move 3: X Sp. Atk All (Uses 1)
Move 4: Moongeist Beam (Unlimited)
Move 5: Blizzard (Unlimited)

        Passive 1: Resilience
        Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
        Passive 3: No Negative Status Change: Defense ×3 & Sp. Def ×3
        Passive 4: Friend Care 9
        Passive 5: Twofer 9
        Passive 6: Brainteaser
        Passive 7: Steady Resolve 3
        Passive 8: Pinpoint Entry 2
        Passive 9: Team Mind Games 9
    Focus on these!
        Focus 1: Dark Type Rebuff ↓
        Focus 2: Sp. Atk Down
4000  XP
Coins (x2000)

Funny how Gladion has 60% of Lillie's HP

[stable storm]

this guy is countered by himself plus rebuffer lmao

[valid raft]

Johtrio now finally

[stable storm]

ss glad victim

[valid raft]

NPC Middle 1-1: 203500 HP (Sygna Suit Ethan - Lugia)
2070 Attack
80 Defense
2070 Sp. Atk
80 Sp. Def
66 Speed
Move 1: Twister (Unlimited)
Move 2: Dragon Rush (Uses 1)
Move 3: Surf (Unlimited)
Move 4: Dragon Rush (Unlimited)
Move 5: Aeroblast (Uses 1)
Move 6: Sure Crit All (Unlimited)
Sync Move: Shining Soul Aeroblast
Passive 1: Resilience
Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
Passive 3: No Status Cond: Defense & Sp. Def ×3
Passive 4: Robust Physique
Passive 5: Sp. Def ↑: Moves ↑ 5
Passive 6: Trained Mind 3
Passive 7: Scholar’s Sync (Sp. Def) 9
Passive 8: Foul Fighting 5
Passive 9: Team Pinpoint Entry 2
Passive 10: Mind Brace 4
Passive 11: S-Move: Team Free Move Next 9
Passive 12: Build Up
Passive 13: Sync Thinker 9
Passive 14: Team Brain Buff 2
Passive 15: Interference Sync 5
Passive 16: Precision 1
Focus on these!
Focus 1: Paralysis
Focus 2: Sp. Def Down

You need status on all of them due to Robust Physique

Which means it's pikagods time

Or SS Roxie/SS Piers time

But since it asks for Sp. Def. drops, SS Roxie time

[stable storm]

so
kanto:Ss diantha plus bertha and maybe another defense debuffer for Blue victim?
Galar:Grusha plus even hala victim
Alola:Ss glad + rebuffer victim

[stable storm]

what's mind brace 4 again and team brain buff

[valid raft]

Mind Brace 4: Get hit and 50% chance of raising Sp. Def. to user

[stable storm]

ss hau plus para mon also destroys electric weak one

mind games 9

[valid raft]

NPC Right 2-1: 77700 HP (Sygna Suit Lyra - Celebi)
1725 Attack
80 Defense
1725 Sp. Atk
80 Sp. Def
200 Speed
Move 1: Grassy Glide (Unlimited)
Move 2: X Attack All (Uses 1)
Move 3: Swift (Uses 1)
Move 4: Giga Impact (Unlimited)
Move 5: Swift (Unlimited)

        Passive 1: Resilience
        Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
        Passive 3: No Status Cond: Defense & Sp. Def ×3
        Passive 4: Robust Physique
        Passive 5: Sp. Def ↑: Moves ↑ 5
        Passive 6: Trained Mind 3
        Passive 7: Staggering 9
    Focus on these!
        Focus 1: Poison
        Focus 2: Sp. Def Down

@pliant jewel Should I make a summary of all the EBs?

[pliant jewel]

I don't mind.

[stable storm]

ss roxie victim

wait it's also koga victim

lmao

[valid raft]

That's literally what I said a while ago

SS Roxie has both moves on-type and the counter needed for this EB

[shrewd marten]

I hope Cynthia is even more broken than red :3

[valid raft]

NPC Left 3-1: 77700 HP (Sygna Suit Kris - Suicune)
1725 Attack
80 Defense
1725 Sp. Atk
80 Sp. Def
200 Speed
Move 1: X Sp. Def All (Uses 1)
Move 2: Surf (Unlimited)
Move 3: Whirlpool (Uses 1)
Move 4: Blizzard (Unlimited)
Move 5: Surf (Unlimited)

        Passive 1: Resilience
        Passive 2: Lessen Poison 10
        Passive 3: No Status Cond: Defense & Sp. Def ×3
        Passive 4: Robust Physique
        Passive 5: Sp. Def ↑: Moves ↑ 5
        Passive 6: Trained Mind 3
        Passive 7: 1st T-Move: Team Sp. Atk ↑ 2
        Passive 8: Barricade Buddies 2
        Passive 9: Move Gauge Refresh 9
        Passive 10: Hit: Team Apply Status Change 9
    Focus on these!
        Focus 1: Paralysis
        Focus 2: Sp. Def Down

[shrewd marten]

But also latios woitj 1 million hp is ultimate battle?

[valid raft]

SS Kris can apply a random interference to your team when she hits

Whether trap, restrain, confusion or flinch

[stable storm]

ss hau plus para victim

[valid raft]

Wait, I read the passive wrong

[stable storm]

680k

[valid raft]

I thought she applies it to your team

Oh well

[stable storm]

what does that passive do

[shrewd marten]

Still quite fat but not overwhelming ig

[valid raft]

Or maybe it is this

[stable storm]

@shrewd marten latios is Anabel but less strong, less fat, less stat buffs and no Sun

[shrewd marten]

I thought latios has annoying gimmicks

Guess not

[valid raft]

Ok, time to write the summary of the EBs

[gentle wharf]

Huh

I don’t think any of the Arc suits apply status effects?

[hearty cedar]

Rebuffs

[snow spruce]

Lance has 30% paralysis

for status change - all of them do

[hearty cedar]

Oh you mean actual status

[gentle wharf]

Ohh didn’t realize Lance can paralyze

[hearty cedar]

Lance is just a tech

[gentle wharf]

But yeah to disable Robust Physique

[snow spruce]

tbh some comps were able to beat Leon UB without status, Robust Physique is not that bad

its just x1.5 less damage

[valid raft]

Extreme Battle Event Summary (September 2024)

Challenge Johto’s Top-Tier Team
Weakness:

• Electric: SS Ethan and SS Kris
• Poison: SS Lyra

Counters:

• Need someone to inflict a status condition on all of the enemies to remove Robust Physique and No Status Cond: Defense & Sp. Def ×3
• Your team needs Unflappable and/or Interference Immunity
• Must debuff the enemy's Sp. Def.

Challenge Alola’s Top-Tier Team
Weakness:

• Dark: SS Lusamine and Anni Lillie
• Ground: SS Gladion

Counters:

• Need a rebuff unit to remove No Negative Status Change: Defense ×3 & Sp. Def ×3 on all enemies
• Must debuff the enemy's Sp. Atk.
• Must have 0 or above Sp. Def. on your team to avoid Sp. Def. debuff multipliers

Warning
If SS Lusamine syncs, then all negative status change including rebuff will be removed from the entire team

Challenge Galar’s Top-Tier Team
Weakness:

• Ice: All

Counters:

• Must debuff all of the enemy's offensive stats
• Must have 0 or above defensive stats on your team to avoid the defensive debuff multipliers

Challenge Unova’s Top-Tier Team
Weakness:

• Fairy: SS N
• Fire: SS Hilbert
• Water: SS Hilda

Counters:

• Need a WTZ (mainly fairy zone, sun and rain)
• Your team needs to have status condition immunity
• Need either a Piercing Gaze damage dealer, moves that don't miss or accuracy buff for the team

Challenge Kanto’s Top-Tier Team
Weakness:

• Rock: All

Counters

• Must change the weather that is not sun or hail
• Must debuff their defense stats otherwise they gain 80% damage mitigation

@pliant jewel What do you think?

[pliant jewel]

need someone else to work on this doc

[stable storm]

wasn't it only fairy comp?

[pliant jewel]

But nice formatting

[valid raft]

Pin for now?

[pliant jewel]

~manifest an orange name~

[snow spruce]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1unwNqwt18yroGqlEpdcnvYBhpn7KdX-ZCD53vqiufzg/edit?gid=1190611733#gid=1190611733
flying and fairy

[valid raft]

@spice basin Need pin

[shrewd marten]

U should be orange

You make alot of beeg things like that

Or can light blue also pin

[pliant jewel]

we used to be able to

~_~

[shrewd marten]

Why no longer

Give helper rights again(pin)

[valid raft]

Now, should I tell which units are made for each fight?

Fuck it, I will

[stable storm]

Could you also include how certain enemies gain or reduce stats?

[paper mural]

Unova is apparently SS Mina + SS Nemona lol

They definitely had a brainfart when writing down need sun and need rain in the same stage.

[stable storm]

glad seems pretty good for unova

[valid raft]

Best Units For Each of the September 2024 Extreme Battles

Challenge Johto’s Top-Tier Team

• SS Roxie
• NC Leaf
• NC Blue

Challenge Alola’s Top-Tier Team

• Brycen-Man
• NC Leaf
• NC Blue
• SC Lyra

Challenge Galar’s Top-Tier Team

• NC Blue
• NC Leaf

Challenge Unova’s Top-Tier Team

• SS Mina
• NC Leaf
• SS Kris
• SS Wally
• SS Gladion

Challenge Kanto’s Top-Tier Team

• SS Diantha
• Any Sandstorm/Rain Setter

[stable storm]

Doesn't grusha counter galar enemies?

[stable storm]

grusha has impervious so no ripple effect, can block aoe attacks that debuff, ice zone and attack debuffs

[valid raft]

Isn't his debuffing ST only?

Bede has Berserker Bunch and All Ramped Up

[stable storm]

Yes but other than that he counters the other gimmicks fully

sides can die to aoe sync

[low coral]

Kanto is NC Silver

[valid raft]

I mean, I literally said any sandstorm setter

[low coral]

Him specifically is better than any other sand setter or Diantha

[stable storm]

silver drops defense?

damn, didn't know he was that good

[valid raft]

Defense debuff or suffer 80% damage mitigation

And Silver doesn't even have Piercing Gaze built-in

Unless you're gonna use an external defense debuffwr

[true lagoon]

b move

[valid raft]

I mean, what about his sync?

[stable storm]

Why is piercing gaze important for kanto btw

koga specifically counters Lyra pretty hard

[low coral]

And Silver is capable of getting Piercing Gaze on grid anyway

[stable storm]

sp def drops and poison

also f2p

[valid raft]

Shit no, what I meant was Piercing Blows, not Piercing Gaze

Silver's B Move obviously ignores the 80% mitigation, but what about his sync?

[true lagoon]

why would that matter when ur running ss diantha for a rock comp anyway

[true lagoon]

well no

[valid raft]

Yoohoo
Passive 5: Move: Team Attack ↑ & Sp. Atk ↑ 9

Bede's passive BTW

[stable storm]

still grusha can debuff mid and stop stat drops

plus he sets ice zone and birds are ice weak

[valid raft]

Ah fair I guess

[final yacht]

Maaan if only Berserker wasnt so far and expensive

Or if Steven raised Atk on TM

Wait Fierce Entry 2 results in more damage than CS2

did calcs, super powered is better, and it brings me to 7%

[fading walrus]

Can't roll for mpr2 TM on Bianca?

Over berserker

It saves 1/2 energy

Iirc

[final yacht]

it's even further

[fading walrus]

Missing 1 extra hit early on shouldn't change the run

[final yacht]

[fading walrus]

Tf

No

[final yacht]

ah you save 1 energy you're correct

[fading walrus]

It's 1 energy

Less

Yeah I knew lol

Because 10 Vs 7 energy for red tile

[final yacht]

but I can't really remove anything

[valid raft]

When do the EBs start BTW?

[calm sand]

September 5th

[shell aurora]

Any tips on bea part 2?

[paper mural]

You can try this team: https://youtu.be/QS8g3XxOfLk?si=JEEeTzZDs-D-ezCM

[autumn hound]

Guys any help to beat this stage

[stable tundra]

Use Steven instead of Giovanni

And Bianca instead of Dawn

[autumn hound]

Steven dies too fast

[stable tundra]

Even with Protect against the sync?,

[autumn hound]

I will try couple more times

[shell aurora]

Is piers possible w my units? Hes the last one

[autumn hound]

Yeap he is my last one too I need some tips

[shell aurora]

I dnt hv a decenr fighting dos

Buzzswole dies too fast

[autumn hound]

I may have a chance with rei

[true lagoon]

rei is good for piers

[crude drum]

Rei & Decidueye

‎ Type: ‎　‎　Weak:
‎ Roll Cake:

Level 140 Stats:

HP: 652
ATK: 468 | DEF: 164
SPA: 224 | SPD: 188
SPE: 402

Acquisition:

Poké Fair

Alternates:

None

Sync Grid Recommendations:

Triple Arrows Barrage / Sync Nuke (3/5)
‎　+ Berserker
‎　+ Head Start
‎　+ Aggravation (4/5)
‎　+ Mighty Command (5/5)
Triple Arrows Barrage / Utility (4/5)
‎　+ Trip Up Twice (5/5)

Lucky Skill: Critical Strike 2, Head Start 1, Adrenaline 1

[uncut drum]

Evelyn's UB gonna suck

Good thing I have SS Gladion candied

[snow spruce]

Evelyns UB could be Darach tier tbh. Everyone and their dog has debuffs nowadays

[true lagoon]

is it really

[uncut drum]

Yes

She has 4k attack stats and her sides are very bulky

At least the gimmick is fine to handle

She has the same one as LA Latias

[true lagoon]

ss gladion

[uncut drum]

True

[autumn hound]

Can you tell me a team to beat piers

[uncut drum]

She won't be as bad as Nita that's for sure

[true lagoon]

i have a video of bea cobalion and sonia beating it

it does require quad queue though

for that team specifically

[autumn hound]

Won’t it be easier with Rei and some supports?

[true lagoon]

well i was using bea’s sync move for most of the damage

rei at 1/5 cant really nuke

[low coral]

Not even close, Evelyn should be fairly below the like of Leon or Anabel too

I believe we'll see a good clear variety against her

[true lagoon]

rei can supplement dps but hes not gonna be the main carry

[uncut drum]

Still gonna be harder than most of them

[low coral]

I think she's gonna be pretty mid

[uncut drum]

Gonna probably be comparable to Giovanni in difficulty

[low coral]

Only relatively scary thing on her are her offensive stats

[autumn hound]

Based on roster should I follow ur vid or make a new team

[true lagoon]

thorton is considered on the high end right

[low coral]

Thorton is mid

[true lagoon]

do you have bea 3/5 and ex’d

[stone scarab]

he's in the middle

[uncut drum]

Eh, mid high

[true lagoon]

oh i see

[low coral]

High end is Nita, Leon, and Anabel

[stone scarab]

not as bad as Leon, Anabel or Nita, not as easy as Lucy or Darach

[uncut drum]

Like he's mid tier but strong in the mid tier

[autumn hound]

I have sent the roster

[uncut drum]

I think Evelyn might be harder than Thorton

[low coral]

Hmm, idt she'll be

Thorton's gimmick is considerably more restrictive

[true lagoon]

https://youtu.be/BVt8QVfCkIs?si=Nw67ae4qQkZRdCES

[stone scarab]

i could maybe see it but like

[autumn hound]

Bea is 4/5

[stone scarab]

idk, doesn't seem too bad

[true lagoon]

i dont think bea requires ex

but i would just do it for easier side wipe

[uncut drum]

Yes, but Thorton is easier to deal with the sides

[stone scarab]

no defense boosting passives outside of Fluid Fortification is nice enough

[autumn hound]

Don’t have codalion though

[uncut drum]

And Thorton can be cleared with rebuffs

[true lagoon]

you can try maylene gridded

[uncut drum]

Special/Physical splits for him is annoying

[true lagoon]

will require some power ups so she can actually live

[crude drum]

Maylene & Medicham

‎ Type: ‎　‎　Weak:

Level 140 Stats:

HP: 671
ATK: 182 | DEF: 247
SPA: 173 | SPD: 247
SPE: 312

Acquisition:

General Pool

Alternates:

None

Sync Grid Recommendations:

Support Minimal (2/5)
‎　+ Full Physical (3/5)
‎　+ Precision Pals (3/5)

Lucky Skill: Vigilance, Defense Crush 2

[true lagoon]

oh she also helps bea setup

didnt realize thatp

maylene is probably actually better then lol

[autumn hound]

Ok I will give it a go

[true lagoon]

make sure to grid oar1 and pep rally

[autumn hound]

Which pair has this grid?

[true lagoon]

maylene

[true lagoon]

.

[autumn hound]

Ok thanks I will try it

[crude drum]

Bea & Sirfetch'd

‎ Type: ‎　‎　Weak:

Level 140 Stats:

HP: 628
ATK: 380 | DEF: 124
SPA: 226 | SPD: 122
SPE: 227

Acquisition:

General Pool
Ticket Scout
Ticket Scout (Galar)

Alternates:

Bea (Palentine's 2022) & Vanilluxe

Sync Grid Recommendations:

Meteor Assault / Sync Nuke Minimal (3/5)
‎　+ Sharp Entry
‎　+ MPR

Lucky Skill: Critical Strike 2, Speedy Entry 2, Fierce Entry 2

[snow spruce]

Arc Steven has no way of surviving Noland UBs first hit

[warm haven]

nope

that's the most problematic thing if cynthia wants to beat him

[low coral]

Well, not for Cynthia

Cynthia just pairs with someone else

Like her Aura self even

[autumn hound]

I’m getting 1 shot after sync😅

[true lagoon]

what move level os sonia then

did you copy my grids

[autumn hound]

I copy everything except Sonia

Cause she is 1/5

And the units aren’t ex

[autumn hound]

Maybe I should try different team?

[snow spruce]

Yeah I'm trying to figure out teams for Cynthia and Steven that could beat all UBs and besides Nita - the main issue is Noland?
and I just keep coming back to SS Mina lol
SS Mina + Arc Cynthia + something (Oleana or Adaman or Arc Lance)

[low coral]

You'll have to be careful around Palmer too

Cynthia + Steven lacks sync acceleration

[true lagoon]

not having 3/5 sonia probably makes it not possible for my team

[autumn hound]

Any other team suggestions ?

[snow spruce]

I assume I can just melt Palmer with Adaman/Arc Lance ST damage or something
but if Noland isnt doable with Steven then the rest doesnt matter. Noland really kinda kills Steven lol
There is also NC Blue, but Nita would be an issue (unless I go NC Blue + Adaman..)

[warm haven]

why mina over ssac?

[true lagoon]

sorry im not too sure

[snow spruce]

non-sand weather most of all (for Nita), but also crit shield and AoE protect

[low coral]

And crit shield is for?

[warm haven]

palmer i guess

[low coral]

Because you'll have to bring debuffs for Palmer if that's the plan

Not just Mina

[snow spruce]

Palmer if necessary and generally any kind of crits in UBs

[low coral]

Aura Cynthia would have a far better matchup against him

[warm haven]

i think SSTR actually can help with both nita and noland

max guard on mina for the fissure

and speed debuff for nita

[snow spruce]

my top 2 choices right now are (for non steven teams):
Arc Cynthia - Oleana - SS Mina
Arc Cynthia - Adaman - NC Blue
maybe start with these two

[boreal abyss]

[snow spruce]

Oleana seems good everywhere except Giovanni

[low coral]

Tbolt Red sounds like a good choice, yeah

[warm haven]

with fliches to nita they may even be able to run steven as a support

[boreal abyss]

Huge team planning here?

[low coral]

Jerjok wanted a full clear comp for Cynthia

[snow spruce]

Adaman with Arc Cynthia could be interesting, he is Sinnoh Pride, has sun for Nita and his ST sync hits like a monster

[boreal abyss]

A full clear comp with new chomp?

Hmm

[snow spruce]

I hope he gets Support or Field role

[low coral]

Although any sun or sand build is already disfavored for that type of objective

[boreal abyss]

Yeah ofc

[snow spruce]

Cynthia can cover Adaman on Anabel and Adaman can cover her on Nita

Actually I kind forgot about Anabel tho

[warm haven]

yeah but adaman without sun is yikes

[snow spruce]

Adaman is really bad on her, hmm

so maybe Oleana then

[hearty cedar]

Ssac + arc cynthia + sc.adaman

There

[snow spruce]

basically isnt Arc Cynthia + Oleana + SS mina quite similar to NC Cheren + anni Skyla + SS Mina ?

[hearty cedar]

Probably

[low coral]

No

[snow spruce]

Arc Cynthia does big damage and has speed debuffs
Oleana and anni Skyla both debuff

[low coral]

Flying comp is heavily reliant on RNG to win

[hearty cedar]

I mean in terms of clearing potential, maybe

[low coral]

Including both flinch and self confusion hits

[hearty cedar]

Skyla being skyla

[low coral]

Oleana + Mina could do those, but even more RNG

[true lagoon]

does oleana need 5/5 for ub clears

[warm haven]

what UB needs that much rng?

[low coral]

Leon

[hearty cedar]

3/5 is enough

[hearty cedar]

For status?

[low coral]

To survive

Leon without self hitting just KOs the team

[true lagoon]

leon hits stupid hard

[hearty cedar]

Ooh i didnt know that

[hearty cedar]

Oh ye absolutely

[low coral]

Mina struggles a lot to survive Leon in general

[silver spruce]

What’s the gimmick for evelynn next month?

[true lagoon]

fluid fortification

and 4k offensive stats

[hearty cedar]

Ss morty is truly a monster to survive leon in the sun

[true lagoon]

also FAT FUCK sides

[silver spruce]

Dragon weak?

[true lagoon]

323k hp with fluid fortification

[true lagoon]

fairy

[silver spruce]

Oh SS Wally about to cook with Gladion

[hearty cedar]

That much hp for sides?

[true lagoon]

yes

and fluid fort

[hearty cedar]

What was the hp for anabel's sides again?

[true lagoon]

FUN

[true lagoon]

i think it was like 150k hp

[warm haven]

i believe cyntha can clear it faster than cheren, meaning they dont need to survive that long

[true lagoon]

they die super easily afaik

[hearty cedar]

Pretty sure cheren has more dmg than her

[snow spruce]

Arc Cynthia SST Red Arc Steven
another option
so much to test ...

[low coral]

Why are you refusing to go Aura, btw?

[snow spruce]

I 'm not, I just dont know who would be the 3-rd for Arc Cynthia + SSA Cynthia .. ? SC Adaman ? I have no idea how strong he is
but on the other hand - Sinnoh passive AND Ground passive

[low coral]

Adaman sounds good

[hearty cedar]

Isnt aura sometimes better for arc cynthia than steven? Sometimes

[true lagoon]

sc adaman is the best raw ground dd we have

[warm haven]

With adaman they dont have enough speed buffs for nita

[snow spruce]

swapping supports makes it super easy. The point is finding 1 team for all 10 (11) UBs

[warm haven]

SS Silver could help with that

[true lagoon]

then what about fall roxanne

[warm haven]

she should work too

[low coral]

Well, Nita already is a pretty hard to case to deal with in general

[snow spruce]

Arc Cynthia has speed debuffs, she can keep Nita in check up to a point

[warm haven]

Ah but i forgot leon, no status

[true lagoon]

i mean for all ubs

[true lagoon]

:pain:

[snow spruce]

Leon is doable without status

[low coral]

Aura Cynthia has paralysis

[boreal abyss]

Finding one team for all 10 11 honestly seems quite difficult considering how Nita becomes very unforgiving

But yeah consider aura Cynthia

In case

[true lagoon]

oh wait she does

but shes fire weak :(

[warm haven]

true

[low coral]

Didn't stop me last time

[boreal abyss]

Based

[true lagoon]

so ssac arc cyn and froxanne?

sounds like that has the best chance right

[low coral]

Although you do lack SpA debuffs

[true lagoon]

oh right…

[low coral]

Which Cynthia would appreciate

[true lagoon]

that might suck vs evelyn

[snow spruce]

Ice team kinda got lucky that Nita was made for them..

[low coral]

Maybe if you tank with Adaman or Arc Cyn

[boreal abyss]

Yeah my only concern is Nita for this kind of mission

[true lagoon]

not evelyn?

[boreal abyss]

Doesn't Evelyn look kind of meh?

Asking for curiosity

[true lagoon]

she still has 4k offensive stats

[coarse lotus]

would this be good enough for any ultimate battles?

[true lagoon]

and if you cant debuff spatk shes gonna be hammering away at you

[coarse lotus]

I've done grass weak already otherwise I'm kinda stuck at what to do next

[warm haven]

yeah idt they could beat nita if she wasnt ice weak

[boreal abyss]

What a game

Or better

What a stage

So unforgiving

[low coral]

Who?

[true lagoon]

universally agreed that n it a is super bullshit right

[boreal abyss]

Yup

[warm haven]

the ice team

[low coral]

Huh? Why?

[hearty cedar]

You can try lucy and argenta

[low coral]

Irida would remain the top counter

[warm haven]

i wanted to reply to this

Yeah but they could get destroyed by the atk buffs

[snow spruce]

Arc Cynthia and SST Red do have synergy - phys dmg, she debuffs speed etc. There is potential there

[low coral]

I mean, even neutral damage, they got the two top units for Nita

[boreal abyss]

Honestly with NC red in, even with off type Nita would be dead

Assuming she is like boh, water weak lmfao

The problem for me is arc Cyn Vs Nita

That's where the real issue lies

[low coral]

Since the battle design was already made for them

[true lagoon]

nita with rats is out of the question right

[hearty cedar]

In still struggling with my dragon team against nita lol. Even lance + nate wouldnt solve the issue

[hearty cedar]

Already done

[boreal abyss]

Pikachus are inevitable

You can run from them

Dread them

[true lagoon]

:dumb:

[warm haven]

is it?

[boreal abyss]

They always come back

[true lagoon]

how is that even possible

[hearty cedar]

Where would they bring you? Back to them

[warm haven]

they dont have enough speed debuffs for nita

[low coral]

You can beat it with Tbolt Red, but not Red + Ash

[true lagoon]

yes thats what i meant by rats

[warm haven]

yeah exactly, rats is both of them

[true lagoon]

if you wanted to clear with sst id imagine you need hau

[snow spruce]

Foxanne has both Tupsy Turvy and a buff block .. how can I best abuse this

[warm haven]

eggmon lapras

[true lagoon]

giovanni

nuke to 60% cuck his tm

[boreal abyss]

Eggmon lapras based

[warm haven]

the best eggmon

[boreal abyss]

When hail stage is gonna appear, this is where sadly Mr Anni Steven won't do a thing cuz he is ice weak

That's where weather wipe 9 won't even help

[hearty cedar]

Pre sync with him

[coarse lotus]

took another attempt at Lucy and that did it

[hearty cedar]

You won?

Gratz

[boreal abyss]

Gonna sync with him on purpose bet

900 damage aoe

Juicy

[coarse lotus]

otherwise I dont think I'll have the candies for the rest

[boreal abyss]

Sugar crush

https://tenor.com/view/candy-crush-gif-11229576

[hearty cedar]

Arc steven + anni steven + hoenn phys circle unit(with no weather BS) will be awesome /cope

[boreal abyss]

Telling you

With arc Steven around

If Anni gets support

I will hunt Palmer down

[hearty cedar]

[boreal abyss]

And demolish him

[true lagoon]

anni will get field

or tech

[boreal abyss]

For now I can just sit and wait for next weather stage

[hearty cedar]

I appreciate your dedication to anni steven

[coarse lotus]

sucks fhat Darach is built around rock field

[true lagoon]

hes not

[coarse lotus]

ig theres alternatives

[true lagoon]

any field effect disables his defense passive

[boreal abyss]

WTF IS A WEATHERRRRR 🦅🦅🦅🦅

[hearty cedar]

Poor anni lillie, only one among the 2yr anni fairs to not have good ub results

[true lagoon]

i doubt she does well even against a ghost weak ub

[hearty cedar]

She may not

[boreal abyss]

Tech would be a good thing for his stats sadly

And you know why?

[hearty cedar]

+40 atk

[boreal abyss]

Because he gets stats on everything but not speed

+20

[hearty cedar]

Oh ye

[boreal abyss]

For speed you can mega lmao

So unironically tech would be actually a nice thing, sadly again

[hearty cedar]

Ubs:- we are weather proofed
Anni steven;- you are what now?

[true lagoon]

anni steven the first strike strike unit

[boreal abyss]

Based

Hitting imaginary 3 more enemies

[true lagoon]

im not even kidding he needs it that badly

[boreal abyss]

Who like him

He is in the future

Back to arc Cynthia

I want her like now

Can I please?

[hearty cedar]

I want steven and lear

Godsend to steel types

[boreal abyss]

Lear with the hairstyle of someone who just woke up from bed

That's style

[hearty cedar]

It actually looks good

[boreal abyss]

Yep

[hearty cedar]

I want lance to use with nate + rosa

I dont have such a perfect combination for cynthia

[boreal abyss]

Fall roxanne or SC adam

Third I have no idea

But what I wanna do is double garchomp and gible in the middle

Having two bodyguards lmao

[hearty cedar]

Adaman. No reason to use roxanne anymore

[boreal abyss]

Guess then the third is unironically Rika, more extension to ground zone

I dunno

[hearty cedar]

Ssac

Or rosa

Or arc steven(worst option among the 3)

Nvm he's not the worst option

[boreal abyss]

I was discussing before, Cynthia is in a similar situation of Irida at release, wonderful unit but waiting for good teammates to shine fully

[hearty cedar]

Correct

[shrewd marten]

Lears outfit though

Mans is stuck in the 90s

[boreal abyss]

It's funny ngl

[shrewd marten]

It do

[hearty cedar]

It's actually so dope and shoutout to 90s

Ssac + arc cynthia + sc.adaman is 50% for dps btw

[warm haven]

Not at all, irida was mid at release. Cynthia is already great

[shrewd marten]

Wdym 50%

[hearty cedar]

30% from ssac's masterpassive and 20% from arc cynthia's ground passive

[warm haven]

She just need a strong partner to beat NC Red

[shrewd marten]

Oh that’s what u mean

[boreal abyss]

That's what I meant but I can't explain myself properly lmfao

[shrewd marten]

She’s off to a great start cuz she can contest red already

Ground just doesn’t have a Uber single target rn

Adaman is just very good

And doesn’t care about sand

[low coral]

Cynthiq can have perma Ground Zone

[hearty cedar]

Nita is probably stopping both dragon and ground cores once again. F U nita

[snow spruce]

Cynthia is definitely better than Irida and the second dps doesnt even need to be Ground
its more about finding that team that can counter all UBs. Thats not about damage or types, its about the right counters
Like Steven is GREAT with her, but Noland one-shots him lol

[shrewd marten]

5/5 is ew

[boreal abyss]

Right, it's that I am planning stuff before I get her to 5/5 haha

That's where I get indecisive

Who to run

Before I get to maximum sand overdrive

[shrewd marten]

Just change supports instead of searching for another ssmina kekw

[fast pendant]

Need to see if will be any relevant to have extra sand anyway

[shrewd marten]

Wdym extra sand

[boreal abyss]

Depends on the extension yeah

[shrewd marten]

If it’s not 5 I riot

[hearty cedar]

Will be needed for few ubs

[shrewd marten]

If sstr can have 5 arc cynthia can have 5

[low coral]

Well, if Nita's the problem, run Archer with his flinch and AoE -1 / ST -2 Speed drops

[shrewd marten]

(Pls Dena)

[river prawn]

On the other hand, how are ArcSteven and SS Lear looking for UBs

That is another strong core dropping

[low coral]

Fantastic

[shrewd marten]

Ignores Lance lmfao

Also idk I like roost more than potion but he had a billion more pmun

[warm haven]

that's gonna be my second hyped team

[hearty cedar]

Lol, man did not just say archer

[uncut drum]

Arc Steven is top tier

[snow spruce]

Hmm, Oleana has max guard - she can use it on Steven for Noland .. but then you lose the easy poison

[river prawn]

I already rolled gear for them

[boreal abyss]

Beautiful words to hear

Stove and Metagross to the top

Lovely

[hearty cedar]

Combined with a weather spammer, they are quite good

[shrewd marten]

Stove to cook

[low coral]

Oleana won't have the output if that's the only Guard you'll have

[river prawn]

I mean just slap ArCynthia as third there idk

[shrewd marten]

Also is arc Steven that much better than ncblue

[river prawn]

No

[boreal abyss]

Stove is the grid name for Cradily haha

[low coral]

You'll just get KOed by Earthquake or the next Fissure

[uncut drum]

He's more of a sidegrade to Blue

[low coral]

I would say slightly below Blue

[shrewd marten]

Wild

[river prawn]

Sidegrade, but ofc better for steel and some physical teams

[uncut drum]

They're comparable though

[low coral]

He has some incoveniences that Blue doesn't, although he also got some extra qualities

[hearty cedar]

I'd say they are equal

[boreal abyss]

Stove.

[hearty cedar]

I think I may be the only person who might use him as a secondary dmg dealer if I decide to candy him lol

[shrewd marten]

Stove

[warm haven]

i will use him as a main damage dealer

[river prawn]

Annie 2024 Lillie Nita clears when

[boreal abyss]

What are his stats btw

Arc metagross

[hearty cedar]

Iron head is too cope to be used as main dmg dealer

[hearty cedar]

Non mega stats

[shrewd marten]

His stats are really good tho

[boreal abyss]

Fire

[hearty cedar]

Can do literally everything

[river prawn]

Those are wrong

[shrewd marten]

Offensive and defensive

[boreal abyss]

Redemption

[hearty cedar]

Wut

[river prawn]

Because in that image he was wrongly given strike EXR stats

Subtract 40 atk and give 40 to defenses

[boreal abyss]

EXCUSE ME?

[river prawn]

Mega stats

[shrewd marten]

He berry good stat

Can do everything

[boreal abyss]

400+ ATTACK AND DEFENSES?

[river prawn]

Ye these are corrected now

[shrewd marten]

Is that not broken

[river prawn]

Not broken, but a very good thing

[hearty cedar]

Thats why I said he could do everything lol. Decent dmg(never thought I'd say this) + tank + support + debuffs

[river prawn]

He can deal decent amount of total damage in a fight

[boreal abyss]

400+ on atk defense and spdef, wow wow wow

I am glad I can go for both to pity

[shrewd marten]

Decent damage

Could possibly be good damage

[boreal abyss]

Blessed by saving for months

[river prawn]

Also haymaker in grid, and sync is base 300 BP(not 160)

So he outnukes base Steven

[boreal abyss]

Cynthia and Stove, you are mine

[hearty cedar]

Put rosa as another support and you can spam +2 pmun moves every turn. That should be good even with his cope iron head

[jaunty light]

are we prepared for fairy weak ub

[river prawn]

Jost not an AoE sync fwiw

[low coral]

Yes

[warm haven]

argenta actually

[low coral]

It doesn't look that hard

[hearty cedar]

And gives 2 more rebuffs. Steven + ss lear + rosa/selene/marnie is quite insane

[warm haven]

more steel teamwork

[hearty cedar]

No. Rosa also gives smun for ss lear on the same team

10% from steel teamwork < 40% for ss lear

[jaunty light]

the first ub that i can confidently say this for

[hearty cedar]

And rosa's existence alone gives 10% from flag bearer lol

[river prawn]

Hmm that team has crazy damage reduction

More than 50%

[hearty cedar]

2 flag bearers, 1 solidarity circle, 1 steel teamwork

2 potion spammers whom are bulky af

[warm haven]

if you want full dps you use steven + lear + tate/poppy

or lillie

[crude kite]

do we know latios’s weakness

[hearty cedar]

At that point, zone will be better to boost lear's overwhelming dmg

[river prawn]

Fairy

[loud adder]

The Latios UB is easily doable with Penny/SS Wally/Striker, huh?

[hearty cedar]

The sides are fat too. Perfect for ss gladion

[loud adder]

So I won't be able to use my 1/5 EX-R SS Wally and 1/5 NY Lisia? My Penny is 3/5 EX-R.

[hearty cedar]

Probably enough

[loud adder]

Oh good.

[hearty cedar]

This ub is not that bad

[loud adder]

Would you say it's the easiest one yet? It'd be pretty embarrassing if Latios was the best at being the worst twice.

[hearty cedar]

Hell no

Easiest one by far is lucy

Lucy is kinda too easy

[loud adder]

Btw did you go by "Anni N is back in the war" a while back?

[hearty cedar]

Yeah

Bcuz he went from "i cant use you anymore" to "you can genuinely be used in ubs too now". Thats why

[loud adder]

Oh, hey there!

I tried Anabel with NC Bianca and SS Lysandre but I gave up on it because off how RNG-heavy it was. Thanks for the advice though.

[hearty cedar]

It's a shame

But hey maybe we can do something about it later

[snow spruce]

how is Arc Lance in UBs? Does he have options

[hearty cedar]

Nate + appropriate support

Except for Nita that is

I can wreck my brain to think how to beat leon and gio with the dragon core but not nita

[low coral]

He does, yeah

Often you go with one of Nate or Zerena, depending on how you want to pace it, + gimmick checker or generic fitting support

Like Rosa or NC Blue

[hearty cedar]

Ss mina too

[low coral]

Mina is more so gimmick checker than generic fitting

[hearty cedar]

Would be good against anabel and darach

[hearty cedar]

Yes i was recommending her for specific ubs

Leon can be hard for the dragon core unless lance abandons nate for sstr

[low coral]

Well, everyone beats Leon with SSTR, the battle was made for him

[hearty cedar]

That stage asks for too much

Nita is straight up unbeatable by the dragon duo

[low coral]

Leon is someone I would go with Zerena over Nate to slot in Blue

I would go with Nate for Palmer

[hearty cedar]

Blue + zerena + lance?

[low coral]

Yeah

[hearty cedar]

What about the field?

[low coral]

Oh right, I forgot that Lance was just rebuff lol

[hearty cedar]

Thats why I didn't mention zerena lol

Lance pretty much counters what zerena counters thanks to rebuffs

Nate's zone could help out both dragons while his nuke clears sides easier than zerena's. Boosting lance's bmove with the zone is great too

[snow spruce]

Nate zone doesnt last that long though, right ? 1 FieldEX duration
Lucas maybe ?

[hearty cedar]

Its plenty enough if you plan it right

[low coral]

Lucas is the ideal one, yes

[hearty cedar]

A lot of planning would be needed for sure tho

[low coral]

Although even Lucas will need MPR

[hearty cedar]

Nah lucas is just painful to use in ubs

[snow spruce]

Lucas should be better now with Lance
they have 0 AoE tho

[hearty cedar]

6/5 lucas here and he refuses to be great in ubs, even darach with dragon zone extension

[warm haven]

nah i beat darach with tower leon + lucas easily

[low coral]

Same with Lucas + Zerena

[hearty cedar]

My brain:- darach asks for a field effect. Nate has field ex and my nate has extension. Practically infinite dragon zone

Lucas;- imma deal so little dmg. Sry

[hearty cedar]

Really impressive

[warm haven]

im sure it's even easier now that leon got sprint

[low coral]

Lance should be a good damage increase to Lucas to the point Leon might be viable

[hearty cedar]

We'll see ig

[snow spruce]

its really nice how ArcCynthias WZT is infinite as long as you sync. Never have to think about this
or you can sync once or twice, then give syncs to someone else and use manual SS for the rest of the fight

[hearty cedar]

I'll be happy if my lucas can work

[hearty cedar]

If that other syncer has sprint ex then you might make it to another sync before the wtz runs out

[low coral]

You can also beat Argenta with Zerena + Lucas, although you prob go Zerena + Lance on her

[hearty cedar]

Maybe I should re-evaluate my darach run with lucas huh

[low coral]

Idt Lance is gonna struggle on Thorton in general, he's super well-equiped outside of a Ice weakness iirc

[hearty cedar]

Thorton is easy

I killed him with rosa, nate and serena where nate took out sides and the physical portion of thorton and serena did 40% hp to thorton

With lance, it'll be even easier

[low coral]

And Lucy doesn't count

[hearty cedar]

?

Wdym?

[low coral]

Obv he's gonna win lol

[hearty cedar]

Aaah

[low coral]

Argenta as I said is better to go with Zerena, Palmer is for Nate