Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[boreal abyss]

Probably gonna roll some decent skill gears to make it easier

[stable tundra]

good luck bestie

you need more than 2 uses of weather setting

[radiant edge]

prob not.

[boreal abyss]

Thank you thank you ❤️

[novel fog]

Yeah sad thing Mina doesn't have rain MPR on grid

[prisma temple]

Btw
Hippodown uses Sandstorm after Mid dies

Just tip for y'all

[stable tundra]

yea it caught me off guard

in my first attempt

[radiant edge]

using Irida ice wish needs good timing too

[novel fog]

How about 5/5 MixBlue over Redlax?

[radiant edge]

especially at parts where you drop landorus HP to 80/50

[stable tundra]

an interesting choice

but i don't have much hope on it

[novel fog]

He can set sun instantly

And he's got some nice damage to chip sides

[stable tundra]

you can give him a try ig

[stable storm]

do we think nita is second hardest ub?

[novel fog]

Aight bet

[radiant edge]

no harm in trying but i'd really doubt with off-type dmgs.

[stable tundra]

arguably the hardest

[radiant edge]

also, who's gonna drop Speed on that team.

[stable tundra]

oh true

[novel fog]

Yeah speed is an issue

[earnest panther]

This UB is hard even with Nc red and Irida

[prisma temple]

I found the 80% was more BS

[radiant edge]

yeah having Red being overpowered has its own issue.

[low coral]

I think she's much harder than anyone else

[radiant edge]

was reluctant on whether having Hail P-Move S-Move dmg 5 on his grid or not.

[earnest panther]

100% harder than anabel

[low coral]

Like, maybe it changes later, but idt it's even a similar case to Leon where it was debatable compared to Anabel

I think Nita is clearly above the two

[stable tundra]

she makes me hate the genie even more

[stable storm]

I predicted in lounge earlier that she would be much closer to Anabel than others or even tie with her but I didn't think that she would exceed her

[radiant edge]

Red being able to drop 80% right at 1st sync with tons of nuke nodes made myself another problem i didn't realize on first attempt

and it was right on time Nita uses earthquake

[onyx cedar]

yeah, you have to know your damage lol

[earnest panther]

I'm cookin..

[stable storm]

wtz on endure is much deadlier than wtz on sync imo

[onyx cedar]

that should be a sure win lol

[earnest panther]

Hear me out, bleakwind storm aoe speed drops

[stable tundra]

would be nice if you can lower this team's investment

[earnest panther]

I'm just trying to figure out how to beat it first

[onyx cedar]

it all depends on how well the damage output from Cheren is haha

[earnest panther]

Right now i don't have tkme to lower investment, i leave for work in an hour lmao

[onyx cedar]

oh nice

someone beat it with SS Morty + C Cheren + C Bianca*

unova lacking weather changers...

the only one that changes it... is to Sandstorm lol

(and Rosa if you think you can defeat it with just 1 use)

[stable tundra]

didn't know that there is Champion Anabel

[onyx cedar]

ah lol

guess I'm tired haha

[low coral]

Single target dropping doesn't feel efficient either, even if the drops are high

[stable storm]

could the last 2 be replaced with ss glad and ss hau?

[low coral]

I think the exception might be combining SS May + NC Leaf for dual single target dropping

[stable storm]

nita boosts speed+2 per attack right?

[earnest panther]

Today i learned Cheren is frail

[stable tundra]

SS Hau is Ground weak tho, be careful

[low coral]

Hau's only gonna last till sync

[stable storm]

could ground guard help

[boreal abyss]

It’s what I used just for the gems so far

[slow sky]

U are really gonna need the vigilance ngl

[boreal abyss]

Dang not me going for vigilance anni Steven

I think it’s time

[low coral]

Ground-weaks need to have some way around Nita's sync

[stable storm]

undoable ub 2 now for me.Sad. They really attacked up nita

[low coral]

Either Damage Guard or very high Attack drops

[radiant edge]

imo they should nerf the Speed capability of that team des

[low coral]

Or at least be extremely bulky naturally, but you'll still need one of the two regardless

[radiant edge]

not saying to remove it

but like

make that team increase Speed slower

[low coral]

The reset on sync is very hard

You get back to +0 and Nita opens with X Speed All

[stable storm]

the reset is only on sand right?

[radiant edge]

cuz 1 speed all every move + sync move erase all speed reduction is really annoying

[low coral]

There's barely any units that can keep up after Sync

I'm fairly sure they indirectly want us to also stun them

Even if they don't say

[boreal abyss]

And we don’t talk about the 2nd sync, TM that raises speed +4 right before sync

[stable storm]

so freeze?

[low coral]

Freeze, flinch, etc

[stable tundra]

she resets after every sync move iirc

[stable storm]

how are ya?

[radiant edge]

even if you try freeze/flinch/sleep, even status moves still proc 1 speed all

[stable tundra]

not fine ty

[stable storm]

even without sand?

no one who plays poma is

[stable tundra]

yeah

[slow sky]

Yeah

The debuff reset is very annoying

[silver spruce]

That was honestly the worst fight they’ve made. Above anabel

[low coral]

Because you need a core to keep up with the Speed buffs after sync or OaR Cheren levels of debuffs

[silver spruce]

Cheren has the debuffs but I ran into issues with his bill

Bulk

[low coral]

And only Cheren has Cheren levels of Speed debuffs lol

[slow sky]

They shouldn't even give her sure crit next if she reset debuffs on sync also

[silver spruce]

It would be ok if they also didn’t get pep rally on their trainer moves

[earnest panther]

Question, could Sc Zinnia work?

Stat raise nullification

[silver spruce]

Yes but she won’t live long enough to make use of it

[earnest panther]

Yeesh

[stable storm]

can irida not keep up with the speed debuffs?

[earnest panther]

She can't

[silver spruce]

Barely

[low coral]

Zinnia is probably a very good option if you invest on her

[slow sky]

Wow seriously?

[silver spruce]

If you spam icy wind you can’t set ice wish

[slow sky]

I thought that battle was made for her

[stable storm]

so even she requires a stunner?

[slow sky]

What are they even thinking smfh

[earnest panther]

She needs to apply wish for hail but then you lose out on speed debuffs

Plus nita raises speed after sync making it moot

[silver spruce]

They get a speed buff every turn no matter what they do. You need to use turn denial or run double debuff

[low coral]

Zinnia's TM is 2 MP, refreshable, and her block has extension

She's probably the sleeper unit here

[silver spruce]

The block extension won’t last long enough

[slow sky]

And the fact that they hit so hard u can't use Irida as a tank while u bring SS Silver to destroy the speed buff

[stable storm]

do they want us to use nc Blue as well for flinch and para?

[low coral]

Again, 2 MP and refreshable

[radiant edge]

https://youtu.be/GGRugINpWqQ?si=jXuPxZSdr0YC7FwS

[earnest panther]

Nc blue can't eben handle it ngl

[radiant edge]

aside from lorelei rnging with tripping strike 1

[stable storm]

could dark comp do this then?

[radiant edge]

you can use NC Red's B move to cancel by turn

[silver spruce]

Her bmove steals stats and sets the buff block. Not her tm

[radiant edge]

giving Irida at least a few times to setup and to catch up reducing Speed

[earnest panther]

Bruh, Vlorelei

[low coral]

Nvm, her TM is Stat Reduction Defense

[stable storm]

I remember seeing a nc red, irida and nc blue clear but idk if nc red could be replaced in that comp?

[earnest panther]

Imagine having a 3/5 Vlorelei

[low coral]

Not the No Stat Increase

[silver spruce]

I have her but who would she run with?

[radiant edge]

me when i have too many candies on my hand.

[earnest panther]

I tried that team multiple times, Ncblue dies to double edge, not enough speed drops, have to time ice wish correctly and para can screw you out of ice beam denial

[snow spruce]

How is an Irida-Red-Chase looking ? possible clear?

[stable storm]

the clearer used ground guard on everyone iirc

[low coral]

I can try

[radiant edge]

can Chase drop Speed?

[silver spruce]

Just did it. Try a turn 2 denial on the chomp with a freeze

[low coral]

Preferably would be 5/5 Red, though

Or 4/5

[earnest panther]

Bruh

I am not going over 3/5 for nc red

Screw that lmao

[silver spruce]

Mine was 3/5

[stable storm]

5/5 nc red?scary since it's on type

[snow spruce]

Chase cant, but neither can Blue or Cynthia and you can clear with them + Irida-Red (if both 3/5)
granted Chase is weak to Ground, i dont know if that will matter

[stable storm]

does any ub spam aoe more than this?

[earnest panther]

Anabel does presync

[silver spruce]

Annabel maybe?

[stable storm]

he can stun but his guaranteed para might mess up freeze

[stable storm]

what about till 2nd sync

[earnest panther]

2nd sync she focuses on sacred fire

She still does one eruption, but she starts to do more single targets

[radiant edge]

well Irida alone wont be able to out-speed-reduce Nita especially post-sync so

[silver spruce]

You have until Nita using her tm to win if you just use Irida to speed debuff

[stable storm]

what are the speed debuffers who can keep up without any stunner?

[radiant edge]

so how many Speed debuffs would you like?

NC Cheren + SS N: yes

[stable storm]

ss hau is out cuz ground weak and aoe spam. The others aren't fast enough. Is it only nc cheren and ss N?

[frail oriole]

SS silver

[silver spruce]

You need aoe speed debuffs

[stable tundra]

he is ST tho

[silver spruce]

So even silver is out

[rotund oasis]

it takes a bit.

[slow sky]

If only SS silver has a grid that makes the debuff team wide...

[snow spruce]

is there any Nita clear with SS Mina yet ?

[rotund oasis]

I ran SS Morty/NC Red/Irida

and i needed them debuffs ;x

[stable storm]

you require aoe I think

[silver spruce]

Ss n can do it but is constantly resetting from +2 to 0 speed

[stable storm]

she doesn't have enough weather so will take a while

[frail oriole]

lodge elesa

[silver spruce]

Which gives the enemy buffs to attacks

[low coral]

SS N should never be the solo debuffer, idt he can ever get Nita to 0

Unless you stun her

[frail oriole]

Someone is crazy enough to clear with lodge elesa

[radiant edge]

i mean she has electroweb + Trip Up 4 in grid

[stable storm]

I highly doubt it

[radiant edge]

she's potential

[rotund oasis]

i actually tried, but NC Blue is needed tbh.

[silver spruce]

Courtney could theoretically do it

But ground zone is a no go here

[rotund oasis]

Ground Zone is a death sentence, especially those Earth Power stuff.

NC Red always get critted by Nita's initial EQ. each time .-.;

[radiant edge]

one eq is already f around and found out enough.

[frail oriole]

Ground zone sand boosted earthquake

[silver spruce]

Archer is the other one who comes to mind for speed debuff but he’s trash

[frail oriole]

[stable tundra]

may i suggest Pal Serena?

[silver spruce]

Oh true

Cotton spots

Spore

[rotund oasis]

still needs weather though.

[snow spruce]

AoE speed debuffs .. the ultimate filter of Pokemas

[frail oriole]

oleana

[silver spruce]

Maybe ss Morty nc red pal Serena?

[frail oriole]

But she dies to anything

[earnest panther]

Question, does PalBea have tripping strikes?

[stable tundra]

no

[frail oriole]

No

[earnest panther]

[stable tundra]

for this battle specifically she only has weather and stun

[silver spruce]

Why is the golems double edge low key the hardest hitting move in this fight?

[earnest panther]

Hippowdon*

[stable storm]

can sstred keep up with speed debuffs?

[frail oriole]

No

[stable storm]

will this be an ub he can't clear

[rotund oasis]

i saw a SST Red clear

[frail oriole]

-1 every tackle ain’t enough

[rotund oasis]

in the replayss.

but they had Irida

[stable storm]

ok nvm he can clear

[earnest panther]

Ground guard SSTred wtf

[low coral]

Also, obv this still works, there's no need for Chase to drop Speed

[earnest panther]

Who tf is tanking?

[low coral]

Chase

[silver spruce]

Evasion gaming

[earnest panther]

Oh, i thought that was SSTRED

[low coral]

Lmao

[earnest panther]

I meant in the SSTRed comp, who is tanking

[silver spruce]

Probably is blue

[earnest panther]

@rotund oasis

[rotund oasis]

iirc NC Blue

NC Blue/SSTRed/Irida

[earnest panther]

3/5 sstred?

[rotund oasis]

i dont remember.

at least 3/5 for each.

[earnest panther]

Pain

[rotund oasis]

it took me an hour mixing and matching with my move queues + and getting lucky with Paralyze/Flinch/Frozen

(i was running NC Blue/Irida/NC Red)

At the end of it, i managed to deny a lot of their moves.

and had -2 SPD Down for Nita

[low coral]

Oh dang, thanks for the idea

Tbolt Red / NC Red / Irida actually looking pre-syncable

[eternal yarrow]

Lol i thought this is gonna be Holiday Leon time to shine. Big LOL

[crude marten]

hows the new ub people

[rotund oasis]

Irida / NC Red gaming tbh.

[silver spruce]

Bad

[rotund oasis]

(Mostly Irida)

[silver spruce]

It’s anabel with speed debuffs

[stable storm]

~~thx now I can say skill issue to the guy who said Chase wasn't good enough to clear ~~

[stable storm]

the new hardest

[stable storm]

but even more annoying cuz weather is on endure and speed buffing is very fast

[eternal yarrow]

Why are they hitting so hard on hail-boosted Pal-Bea. Am i forced to use MF support here?

[stable storm]

with the fattest side mons and double endure

[hearty cedar]

Surprising clear

[stable storm]

makes sense

cheren is very strong and can keep up with speed debuffs

nc bianca provides enough dr to survive

I think cheren bianca might be an underrated core ngl

[low coral]

@earnest panther you're a genius

[stable storm]

I can't test it but they seem like they could do every ub with a support to counter the gimmick

[stable storm]

..........

[novel fog]

wtf

[stable storm]

you are insane

gratz

[low coral]

Well, thank linkable, Tbolt with Ice core is a really good core that I didn't think of

But it makes a lot of sense

I wasn't finding someone to auxiliate Irida with Speed debuffs

[stable storm]

I think he was joking.....

[low coral]

Tbolt Red brings flinch, Kanto Flag Bearer, AND Speed debuffs

As well as Sync Acceleration to top it off

[plush gale]

That was Close.....

[low coral]

I think Tbolt Red + NC Leaf might also be able to beat this without Cheren or Irida

[silver spruce]

Ss Morty would be the third probably

[bitter lance]

I don't understand i already use nc cheren irida and nc blue but i always lost because of nc cheren always get critted

[low coral]

Probably, NC Blue would really help, but you don't bave enough weather

[silver spruce]

Vigilance

[bitter lance]

I'm not sure of using that because my damage could get affected but worth a shot i guess

[round vale]

I have NCCheren, NCBlue, NCLeaf, SSTRed, NCRed. All of those. What combination is the best?

[plush gale]

My Grid for Nita's Ultimate (For NC Red I borrowed Someone else)

[bitter lance]

Probably NC cheren and NC blue with irida or at least weather setter

[round vale]

That's the problem. I don't have Irida.

[tulip stream]

closest ive gotten was 11% on palmer

[stable storm]

what's your best weather setter?@round vale

[earnest panther]

Bro... i Was JOKING.

Who tanked!?

[tulip stream]

Probably gonna need more candy for bianca

[stable storm]

this would look weird out of context ngl

[fading walrus]

Irida can tank pretty well tbfh

[earnest panther]

Omfg

[round vale]

Does SSMorty counts? Other than him, I have the basic setters (f2p/semi-f2p units) and sandstorm setters...

[stable storm]

what move level

[round vale]

3/5

[stable storm]

I think I saw an nc blue, ss Morty, nc cheren clear

[distant estuary]

Do you have SSA Cynthia

[round vale]

Ok. I'll need to check NCBlue grid. If he can lower speed.

NCCheren is 1/5 tho.

[low coral]

We also got the NC Cheren / Skyla / Mina clear on the replays, as expected

[round vale]

Who disturbs weather in that combo?

[chilly dawn]

SS Mina probably

[round vale]

Ohh SSMina. I thought the normal one

[earnest panther]

Here's a hot take.
NcBlue/NcCheren/Anni Steven.

[chilly dawn]

Nobody uses base mina for this stuff

[low coral]

Base Mina would be wild lol

[chilly dawn]

Yeah

[prisma temple]

I replaced Grusha with NCLeaf, already cleared

[chilly dawn]

Certified madlad moment

[low coral]

Sounds like a win

[chilly dawn]

I need to figure something for Nita, I assume you only need hail/ice zone and speed drops?

[low coral]

Speed drops and replace sandstorm

But LOTS of Speed drops

[chilly dawn]

Ok so weather and speed

[earnest panther]

The one UB Anni Steven could work in

All because air lock lmao

[low coral]

Like, Irida alone not keeping up post-sync levels of drops

[chilly dawn]

Like, checking team fast track 9 or double that?

[hearty cedar]

Send grids, I'll try that for fun

[distant estuary]

@low coral Obligatory "is irida 3/5"

I just saw you can replace with SST Red and clear??

[low coral]

No, mine's 5/5

[distant estuary]

Whale

[chilly dawn]

I'm debating trying nita but I don't know what support or main DPS I'd use

[low coral]

Bruh, that cost me two candies, I'm doing sacrifices here

[stable storm]

can anni steven clear weather fast enough?

[low coral]

Actually, prob more, idt I pulled 3 Iridas either

[chilly dawn]

Obviously Irida but my main Ice DPS is BP Candice

[earnest panther]

His gimmick is getting rid of weather whenever he does a move

So yea, and it's infinite

[stable storm]

fair

[chilly dawn]

And I doubt BP Candice is doing enough damage for a UB

[stable storm]

is Anni Steven gonna be better than ss ethan now

[stable storm]

what's your best dd

[chilly dawn]

Erm, idk overall

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[low coral]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=000002002500&s0=3&l0=150&r0=6&p0=0&a0=24010901&t0=44444&x0=true&g0=AAECAwQFFRYZHR8iIyUpKi0&v1=000003014400&s1=3&l1=150&r1=6&p1=0&a1=13016303&t1=44444&x1=true&g1=AAECAwQFDA8fISIkKCstLi8&v2=028500047100&s2=5&l2=150&r2=6&p2=0&a2=13016303&t2=4444&g2=AAECAwQFBgcKDQ4VGBkdICI

[chilly dawn]

Ice is BP Candice, overall is probably SS Steven

[fading walrus]

https://youtu.be/skJ1t6h_2oI?feature=shared

Wonder if melony can sub out NC Rosa and irida can tank

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[stable storm]

do you have sstr

[chilly dawn]

NC Red/Irida is probably the god team here

[chilly dawn]

No

My best electric DPS is Elesa.

Or maybe ss hau, but he's crap for long fights

[stable storm]

huh, does rosa sleep stun enough to let irida debuff speed enough

[chilly dawn]

These are my Ice options lmao

Irida 3/5, Dana/SS N 1/5

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[chilly dawn]

All others 5/5

[chilly dawn]

Bc NC Red/Irida is the god team for the fight and Meloetta is just kinda nuts

[stable storm]

experience. Also you don't see the person behind the camera

[fading walrus]

My first run was even better because I slept the double edge but I found out hippodown resilience cleanse is kinda RNG so I just cleared without it here

[chilly dawn]

But yeah I think my issue is I just don't have a good enough ice DPS

[slow sky]

That was my team's clear

[chilly dawn]

Ghetsis/Irida might be able to keep on top of the speed but I don't think the damage will be enough

[slow sky]

I saw SSkris with NC Blue with NC cheren

[stable storm]

yeah I suggested that based on your clear

[slow sky]

So I got the idea with SS Morty

[hearty cedar]

Any special gears I should know about?

[slow sky]

Successful teams are helpful at times

[stable storm]

most my ub clears are from copying other teams lmao

[chilly dawn]

Tbh successful teams for me is usually "look at all these pairs you don't have"

[fading walrus]

My ice gear kinda goated too btw, so it definitely helps

[chilly dawn]

I've finished 3 UBs so far lmao

Two were NC Leaf/SS Morty/Chosen DPS

[slow sky]

For me successful teams can help in suggesting alternative

[stable storm]

how much did you reroll

[slow sky]

Like replacing weather unit x with weather unit y

[fading walrus]

I farm feathers whenever I clear event shops

[stable storm]

if you have a good enough debuffer nc leaf morty can probably clear

[fading walrus]

I've used like...3-4k feathers ATM?

[distant estuary]

You should consider pulling on a rerun of NC Red. Not only would he be helpful, but he will also greatly boost your Ice team and give more striker selection

[low coral]

I used my standard Ice gear, but the damage is always hard capped by the endurances, no need for it

It was always overkill

[fading walrus]

Yeah base ice gear works well enough here

[distant estuary]

These UBs are another part of reason I always pull on masterfairs

[fading walrus]

Op gear helps out in offtype a lot tho

[chilly dawn]

I just regret not having the gems for NC Rosa or NC Blue

NC Leaf took me to spark and NC Red/Blue just never showed

[fading walrus]

Spending a multi on a MF already means spending as much as 10 UB clears tho

[hearty cedar]

This ub is making me think I wont be able to clear it with nc.nate

[low coral]

I mean, it's already an achievement to do a non-Irida and non-Cheren clear

[stable storm]

nc cheren, nc nate and ss morty probably could. There's a clear like that but uses nc bianca instead of nc Nate

[low coral]

Although Cheren is a pretty hard carry, you prob can do Nate with him

[fading walrus]

Yeah that circle will help you tank better too

[hearty cedar]

Problem is that I'm dying to her sync for some reason

I dont know why but nita's sync is killing me at 100%

[stable storm]

Look at the nc bianca clear to get some idea then?

[hearty cedar]

Not talking about nate

[chilly dawn]

Oh actually

I have a weird idea

[distant estuary]

But I always pull for masterfairs. Rarely do I bother with pokefair lol. If you have preexisting units then it's easy to clear

[chilly dawn]

SS Hilbert

[stable storm]

also maybe try ground guard?@hearty cedar

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[hearty cedar]

I need 1 more tech coin for 3/5 nc.cheren, then nita will pay

[fading walrus]

His nuke being offtype is a big sad

[chilly dawn]

4/5 tile is -2 speed on SE hit, he hits as Ice and with rebuff

[hearty cedar]

They dont work against sync iirc

[low coral]

I think you'll lack damage

No Sync Nuke and Red is the only DPS

[hearty cedar]

You need a nuker. Either sstr or c.elesa

[fading walrus]

You'd better consider the cake, it makes the clear much more consistent

[chilly dawn]

You still probably have Irida though so she can pull all the syncs after supports

[stable storm]

oh then you just aren't debuffing enough. You need oar on cheren

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[low coral]

Yeah, OaR keeps Nita in check all the time

Without OaR, there's some RNG

[fading walrus]

https://youtu.be/zjIuWVGF29Y?si=lm5lPpUhAkIoIJUc

Both my 1/5s were caked but celesas cake is probably avoidable

[stable storm]

how many units can keep nita in check alone

[low coral]

In terms of what?

Full gimmicks, no one

[stable storm]

nita speed buffs in check

[low coral]

Cheren

[stable storm]

till 2nd sync at least

[low coral]

That's basically it

[stable storm]

and?

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[chilly dawn]

Just thinking 4/5 SS Hilbert/Irida/Some tanky gauge support might actually work

[fading walrus]

Irida needs to drop ice wish so you either denial with sleep or smth or she falls behind

[fading walrus]

🥂

[stable storm]

maybe nc blue flinch luck?

[fading walrus]

I really liked my Leon clear

[low coral]

Ok, tbf, there might be one more

Holiday Whitney on Eterrain

[hearty cedar]

This could be good

[low coral]

But Whitney struggles to get Eterrain alone

[fading walrus]

Resilience extension won't make it likely to work

[stable storm]

what does she even do again

[stable storm]

fair

[fading walrus]

Whitney sets terrain, debuffs and flinches

[dusk notch]

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[fading walrus]

But she's frail and I don't think she can easily fit

[low coral]

Cheren is the other counter

[stable storm]

yes, cheren is very good against nita

[chilly dawn]

I think you can do it sans ice dup

[low coral]

Without either, I think Water, Fire, and some other Ice units may have a chance

[chilly dawn]

But I think Irida might be almost mandatory for ontype

[fading walrus]

Irida is extremely important
Cheren is the second best choice

Without those two, it's really harsh

[dusk notch]

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[fading walrus]

Well red does carry

[chilly dawn]

I'm debating candying SS Hilbert to try that whackass strat

[stable storm]

I would argue cheren is the best choice if you have someone like ss Morty or ss kris to replace sand

[stable storm]

do you really wanna use a candy just to do 1 ub

[fading walrus]

^

Not worth

Especially not for that grid

Imo

[chilly dawn]

I doubt it'd be 1 UB

[fading walrus]

Hilbert isn't very used atm

In UBs

He has some clears but they're not... really hard to achieve for other units too

Fire weaknesses hinders him too

[chilly dawn]

Might try sliding him into Anabel too for some baseline DPS while NC Serena hogs syncs

[fading walrus]

Enjoy the fire weakness.

[chilly dawn]

Oh right fire weak lmao

[fading walrus]

[chilly dawn]

I forget weaknesses are a thing in this game

[fading walrus]

He'd be good Vs Leon and Anabel

But whoops

[chilly dawn]

It's always something they have but not you

[fading walrus]

Fire weak

[chilly dawn]

Yeah

Can someone who has a built SSHilbert tell me if that team actually works then pls?

He has the speed drops to shore up Irida, and the rebuff exists

[low coral]

@jade marsh do you have Holiday Whitney?

[chilly dawn]

Also tbh I meant to candy him to 3/5 anyway, he really wants ripple effect

Just need another tech candy

[rotund oasis]

Ohh

Holiday Whitney eh?

AoE Speed Debuffs o/

[distant estuary]

What type do you want as weakness next UB by the way?

[chilly dawn]

But yeah I feel like SS Hilbert and Irida can clear this

[rotund oasis]

(andd she can flinch)

[chilly dawn]

Give us Ghost.

[low coral]

The team I had in mind would be NC Blue / Tbolt Red / Holiday Whitney

[rotund oasis]

hrm.

no weather though.

[low coral]

Oh wait, rip

Maybe you can swap to Morty, but the damage loss may be too much

[orchid bridge]

Ghost doesn't really have a gimmick pair other then SS Korrina.... so the Ghost UB would either be wanting you to set zone, or have shit tons of buff they want you to steal

[distant estuary]

No thanks for now I have no SC Irida; only anni Lillie and SSR Cynthia.
I'd like to see a dark weak stage where Marnie and NC Calem could shine

[orchid bridge]

we would probably get a better dark zone setter when that happens lol

[stable tundra]

or status change to sell

[chilly dawn]

Zones and defensive debuffs

[orchid bridge]

I forgot about Halloween Allister

[distant estuary]

Ew

[chilly dawn]

Like we could get another fluid fortification

[stable storm]

fairy

[distant estuary]

I don't want to have to go out of my way... I need em gems 😭

[distant estuary]

Maybe, I got SS Gladion

[stable storm]

give fairy weak ub next

[distant estuary]

Just pls not another zone again

[orchid bridge]

fairy would just be SS Gladion and SS Mina playground

[chilly dawn]

I don't want fairy, that leaves me stuck with NY Lisia

And ewwww

[stable storm]

I wanna see what they cook up for ss glad

infinite status

[distant estuary]

I absolutely don't want bug or steel stages though

[chilly dawn]

Wise Entry x5

[low coral]

Well, not if they had the Speed debuffs like Nita did

[stable storm]

of all kinds and stat downs

[distant estuary]

One is sc other is still limited banner

[orchid bridge]

Oh shit, they could make the enemies AoE debuff

[low coral]

Which could happen with Palentine Serena around

[stable storm]

stat downs every attack and stat up if stat down with fluid fort

[chilly dawn]

You will go physical

[stable storm]

also requires specifically zone

[chilly dawn]

Also lbr you'd get mileage from Penny there too

[stable storm]

with enemy being ss Cynthia that also has dragon zone

[chilly dawn]

She steals buffs on her B move iirc

[distant estuary]

I would say powercreep is eventually gonna make these ub easier anyhow but thatzs like years in

[fading walrus]

Flying? Just to put cheren even more on a pedestal lol

[stable storm]

oh god what I suggested is likely for fairy un isn't it

[chilly dawn]

Plus she has AoE rebuff, both levels if 5/5 exr

[orchid bridge]

Nita UB is like next year level of content that got released early

[stable storm]

infinite stat down and stat up with drazon zone removal required

[orchid bridge]

NC Cheren ended up being a better counter then Irida

[chilly dawn]

You know what I wanna see them do with a new pair? Give them a screen break move.

[distant estuary]

Due to spd debuff?

[orchid bridge]

yes

[chilly dawn]

Yeah managing speed is critical

[fading walrus]

We said the same about Anabel tbfh

[stable storm]

will next year unit give -6 stats every attack and Ash level bp but infinite

[chilly dawn]

And icy wind isn't enough

You need irida and another source of speed down

[distant estuary]

Is needing nc red / irida well built 3/5 indicative

[fading walrus]

Or irida + stagger

[stable storm]

@distant estuary based name btw

[distant estuary]

Oh thank! He's my first limited fairy striker (sorry Diantha)

[gentle wharf]

What did I miss? Did someone clear without Irida yet?

[stable storm]

fairy is competing for top 3 type so they will probably also make fairy ub cracked

[stable storm]

Yes but it requires nc cheren

[gentle wharf]

Thanks

[fading walrus]

Me when Anabel dropped and for days every clear had 2/3 units being

• 3/5 irida
• 3/5 NC red
• 3/5 NC blue
• 3/5 sskris
• 3/5 cerena
• 3/5 NC leaf

[stable storm]

does anyone have a non nc cheren or irida clear

[fading walrus]

And basically nothing else

[fading walrus]

Let people cook

Stage has been out for 4 hours

[stable storm]

tbf powercreep has gotten insane since November

[fading walrus]

And many USA players are sleeping ATM

[stable storm]

fair

[distant estuary]

Did it?

[fading walrus]

More than straight power creep, we got nonstop great compression and Uber tier MFs rather than just big damage ones

[boreal abyss]

Back from my stuff, I have been trying with the same team, might adjust few things cuz sure crits are ew

The team works fine for the rest

[gentle wharf]

Sad part is I DIDuse Annie Steven to beat Annabel in. Battle rally lol

[distant estuary]

Ew

Just use cheren or ethan

Oh wait

[gentle wharf]

Before the first released

Wait didn’t Ethan summon Flying Zone?

[distant estuary]

No he didn't have ex role

that's anni skyla

[gentle wharf]

Anyway I needed a striker that could replace weather so it was either him or Silver lol

[viral canyon]

4th try malding with Blue flinch rng, but after 40% hp Nita is so weak muahahaha. Red nuke from 30% HP instant kill her.

[stable storm]

yeh

[distant estuary]

I only really noticed powercreep way more from march and especially june

Geeta the first masterfair field who in addition to not have to prebuild, can summon up to 4 fields in a battle

[fading walrus]

I mean he's a good third with other good units if you have vigi on all 3

[distant estuary]

Only issue is they're short

But she greatly boosts poison roster

[stable storm]

powercreep has rised a good bit from Anni 4

[distant estuary]

So maybe poison UB will want her

[fading walrus]

And She pairs extremely well with extension 5 ssroxie who already clears UB

[stable storm]

November it just started to spike more

imagine fairy ub ya all

[fading walrus]

Few UBs already were very much Geeta friendly

Leon wanted her a lot

[stable storm]

fairy has a lot of stat up and stat down counters so it could constantly debuff stats and and raise it's own based on the amount of debuffed. Fairy also has a lot of zoners so it could require removing dragon zone

[distant estuary]

I guess because they realized that people pull on mfs so often and want to make them more relevant long term unlike year 2 or so

[fading walrus]

Status + WTZ+ spin to remove fire DF

[stable storm]

also zone

[gentle wharf]

Geeta was part of the team to me beating Palmer lol

[stable storm]

for clear advantage

[fading walrus]

I still think meta scouting is just not worth

[fading walrus]

I said Wtz no

[stable storm]

missed it

[fading walrus]

But she still wants eterrain anyway

[calm sand]

Why do I have no Ice pairs with EX roles ☹️

[distant estuary]

For me it's more about collection tho

[stable storm]

I am a ygo player I can't read

[fading walrus]

Because with wide awake you fall behind in damage

[distant estuary]

I pulled sst red n ssa cynthia on rerun

[calm sand]

I'm also more the collectors type

[distant estuary]

I need anni steven and n

For collection

[calm sand]

Meanwhile I need 5 for my collection

[fading walrus]

I only skipped one MF I kinda wanted

[distant estuary]

even tho uh... they dont hold up well today

so ....

[fading walrus]

But it's not like NC Nate is a must to me

He was just a big like

[calm sand]

I’m honestly shocked I got NC Nate due to my circumstances

[fading walrus]

But I'd rather not have him than any other mf I got recently

[calm sand]

I honestly would love to try a NC Leaf team against Nita

She match up pretty well against her I think

[low coral]

The entire playerbase rn

[primal leaf]

wow Nita is hard... if I don't want to go crazy fighting her, is it pretty much accepted to get Irida to 3/5? I'm trying with 1/5 and it's... just not working

[stable tundra]

you need someone to cancel sandstorm other than 1/5 Irida

Nita casts sand thrice and Hippowdon casts another one when the center dead

[slate light]

kaboom. when you're good you're good by which i mean successful teams list saved the day

nc red who?

[primal leaf]

and every move increasing team speed makes me feel Irida as the sole SpdDebuffer isn't enough anyway. which makes sense NC Cheren may be better than NC Red?

[low coral]

Lmao I was literally talking with Rion about this team before I went to work

[calm sand]

In this stage maybe

[fading walrus]

Yeah oleana was on my chopping block too

Ground weak scared me tho

So I put her on hold for now

[low coral]

Luckily NC Red got the output for this without external steroids, so he can afford a more diverse supporting roster

[fading walrus]

I swear if red didn't have protect he'd be so much worse off lol

[covert marlin]

nice "flying" UB

anyways, NC Cheren absolutely braindead for this

[low coral]

Protect is a top tier tool for Strikes

[hearty cedar]

Ss mina is a true goat for ubs

[low coral]

Ah yes, totally not Cheren hard carrying there

[stable storm]

imagine nc red without protect

[hearty cedar]

I have a love hate relationship with anni skyla with nc.cheren atm. On one hand she doesnt contribute to the dmg but on the other hand her debuffs allows cheren to clear all ubs

[low coral]

Well, for that clear, the one you worry more is about Oleana

[hearty cedar]

No one tried ss morty + nc.cheren + nc.leaf?

[covert marlin]

how did Mina have 3 rain?

[low coral]

She doesn't, but you can just wait out until 80%

[hearty cedar]

She didnt. They bulldozed through sand till lando reached 80%

[low coral]

Sand doesn't reduce damage, so Cheren can still get Nita down

[hearty cedar]

Speed is more dangerous than weather

Is nita sync physical?

[covert marlin]

interesting, so you sync with Cheren first

[low coral]

Yeah, Speed basically does what sand does and more

[low coral]

No, you can still sync with Mina first

[hearty cedar]

No need, support sync with mina is still good

Fairy zone on sync also boosts defenses for all

[primal leaf]

I'm guessing most of these clears use 3/5 units? (really wish I could see move levels with these clears!)

[low coral]

Having sand up at the start is only very problematic if you're Ground-weak, if you can cover for other debuffs

[slate light]

my NC Cheren was 2/5, but it's doable with 1/5

[hearty cedar]

I need 1 more tech coin for my 3/5 cheren so the pain is real

[low coral]

Skyla is debuffing offenses, Cheren is debuffing Speed, and you can also flinch

[hearty cedar]

For cheren's team, this ub is just an easier anabel ub

[primal leaf]

what's your NC Cheren team? (inc move levels)

seems like Anni Skyla needs to be 3/5 to get Disarm for Air Cutter

[slate light]

NC Cheren 2/5 EXR
Irida 3/5
NC Blue 3/5 EXR

[primal leaf]

nice

[slate light]

you can likely get away with not having cheren caked since he didn't sync on my team

[fading walrus]

Yup, NC Marnie still amazing also because of it

[primal leaf]

makes sense to just sync with Irida at 3/5 given ice weakness

[slate light]

blue syncs the first two times, then irida for the rest ye

[primal leaf]

why sync with blue twice? the aoe damage is significant enough?

[slate light]

synchro healing gaming

[primal leaf]

ahh nice

[slate light]

i can provide grids for irida and blue, one moment

both at 66/70 energy cap

[gentle wharf]

Oleana team is mighty tempting

But alas 3/5 SS Morty

[primal leaf]

thanks!

[dim lance]

https://youtu.be/Rik4Tqj4AWw?si=mrYBpbEn1PnTJKUk

Second comp to clear all

[low coral]

Third

[dim lance]

After which

Rats?

[slate light]

ss mina/oleana/ss roxie is one i think

[dim lance]

oh did tosakinto actually manage to do it again

lol

[viral canyon]

Yeah true, SSt Red could survive because Irida zone..

[slate light]

i'm not 100% sure i don't keep up with the big clears

[low coral]

The two Ice variations

Cynthia and Chase

[dim lance]

yeah but that's like, ice

so

i don't consider them two separate comps at least

[low coral]

Idt full Poison can do it

At least, not with Mina, probably

[dim lance]

you'd need really dumb staggering luck or something

with kris

[low coral]

Can Roxie survive the first EQ without Gunk Shot Staggering?

If running Mina, I mean

[dim lance]

she has to run ground guard or some shit

or just max guard herself

idk

she has it rough

[low coral]

Well, either way, Cheren's not Ground-weak, so he has an easier time surviving sand

[dim lance]

i feel like they made this specifically for cheren tbh

as one of the few units that can check it

but yeah, suddenly non-ground weak speed debuffs are important

[low coral]

Well, not any, very high debuffs

-1 AoE often isn't enough after Sync

[dim lance]

well we only have like two speed specialists

and oleana is just

like, happenstance

[low coral]

There's Eterrain Whitney, but like

[dim lance]

archer is good at dropping

[low coral]

1-Electrics are almost always Ground-weak for her partners

2-Whitney is bad at getting Electric Terrain

[dim lance]

but he also feels like dead weight outside of it + ramping so

also it's funny how ghetsis also gets a free pass here

[low coral]

And also, who even has dupes on Holiday Whitney lol

[dim lance]

N is too slow

[dim lance]

some whales, idk

you'd be surprised how people pull for obscure shit that turns out useful

[raven wharf]

Holy shit this new ub seems like the perfect setup for silver

[dim lance]

like mallow against leon lol

[raven wharf]

How many times does Nita send sand

[slow sky]

3

beginning, 80% hp endure, 50% hp endure

[raven wharf]

Hmm

Can't bring irida then

[slow sky]

u need 3/5 for her I believe

[raven wharf]

I just spend my 2 tech candies on steven lmao

[slow sky]

☠️

[raven wharf]

Could work ig?not having hail multipliers active sucks tho

Alternate option is to throw sstred against it like usual

[low coral]

Tbolt Red can't be a solo debuffer and DPS

The turn he uses Electric Terrain he already won't keep up

[leaden dagger]

OK so am I just not allowed to click irida's ice beam or something cause why wouldn't i?

[raven wharf]

Sooo...this is a really aggressive ub I'm guessing?

SSTRed has a pretty insane nuke and it would be surprising for it not be enough

[low coral]

Lol you'll never get Cakewalk here

You'll need Oleana support or something to that level to even make it possible

[raven wharf]

It can't be palmer levels of bad tho right

Oh she ramps up speed fast?

Not a problem

Silver it is then

-3 speed per attack

[low coral]

Silver probably needs Irida

[raven wharf]

She's 1/5 so she's garbage here

Unless sssilver+sskris/ssmorty+irida can work

Tbh not bringing nc blue to an ub makes me unconfident

[olive scroll]

Would nc red, nc cheren, morty work

[low coral]

Yes

[olive scroll]

Thanks

[raven wharf]

I'm gonna try sssilver irida ssmorty

Should I go offensive or defensive grid for morty

I'm guessing defensive but not having aoe speed buffs will suck

[leaden dagger]

OK seriously what has happened to red, I swear he is completely useless everytime I throw him anywhere

I can't bring sst or nc here cause they do nothing

[kind wasp]

I still have to clear leon as well UBs my behated

[slow sky]

I managed to record a run with NC Leaf, NC Cheren and SS Morty

but dam its harder to clear lmao, NC Blue is definitely better

[low coral]

Over who? Leaf?

[snow spruce]

Updating my doc (with links) for "same team for all UBs"
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1unwNqwt18yroGqlEpdcnvYBhpn7KdX-ZCD53vqiufzg/edit?gid=1190611733#gid=1190611733
As far as I know 4/8 Flying team-Mina clears were posted so far, waiting on the other 4 to be posted. Maybe he will make a full big compilation
Chase team is missing Thorton and Argenta clears (at least I havent found them anywhere .. at least a screenshot).
Need all that for completions sake. If anyone has anything for the yellow cells - link me

I have very VERY faint hope that poison-Mina team might somehow do Nita. The others at the bottom half are probably out

[solar stirrup]

All 3/5?

[distant estuary]

Weird way to say Nc red and irida

((Ik there's nc cheren clears but it's just hilarious that he can do good on this))

[slow sky]

yeah

but Leaf's role mostly is to spam Leer besides the 2nd sync(nuke + support EX)

[solar stirrup]

One of the strongest dmg dealers for a reason

[solar stirrup]

Nc leaf is good again?

[distant estuary]

5th anni: "Hold my beer"

[slow sky]

she's more of a support& debuffer there besides the 2nd sync

[solar stirrup]

4th anni, still has not powercrept 3rd anni

[slow sky]

cos I really doubt Cheren can cause the 1st endure to proc if I sync with him

[distant estuary]

We'll see with the ultima sync thing

[slow sky]

inb4 ultimate is just a new name for Terastallize in masters

[leaden dagger]

Yeah im at a total loss, idk who I can bring that isn't completely useless

Irida and nc blue are fine, but then I have tried nc cheren, sstred, and nc red, all pathetic

[distant estuary]

Is irida 3/5

What about nc red

[leaden dagger]

3/5 irida, 1/5 red

[slow sky]

This was how close the run was

altho SS Morty died b/c I should have healed him instead

[dim inlet]

Can we just nerf Nita

Ty

[kind wasp]

Is nita harder than leon

[slow sky]

its ridiculous

[dim inlet]

Not only does she play around her sandstorm and get to flash speed every time she breathes

[slow sky]

ppl with the ice team are kinda struggling as well

lol

[kind wasp]

Ive tried her battle like twice and gave up despite using irida and red

[dim inlet]

But she also gets rid of all her debuffs on sync

[fast pendant]

both cheren and red can do it, there are clears ingame with it, feel free to watch the replays.

[slow sky]

yeah

that's the problem

the debuff wipe is bullshit

[sly oxide]

Just did it with Blue & Zapdos, Ghetsis & Kyurem, and Irida & Glaceon. Man that was rough

[slow sky]

NC Cheren needs vigilance

he isnt very good at taking crits

the sure crit after sync is bullshit as well

[dim inlet]

I feel like it also is heavily rng on the move order and whether the paralyze/confusion/flinch takes effect on the right turn

[fast pendant]

NC Leaf is the goat to keep clearing UB's despite they making most of them to be very hindering to her.

[slow sky]

tbh if I was the promoter of a certain unit

i definitely wouldnt make this stage

[dim inlet]

We can use the same team, same grid, same everything but a little bit of luck difference decides whether you win or lose

Legit

[leaden dagger]

They won't for me

[slow sky]

it definitely isnt really reflecting the strengths of Irida

[leaden dagger]

They can't do any damage at all

[fast pendant]

then, respectfully is an issue on your end

watch the videos and learn how to do it.

[warm haven]

Something funny is that you can actually wait for Nita's sandstorm to run out. The first good use of long anim bmoves

[distant estuary]

I don't mind added difficulty. I'll just come back in a bit after getting 3/5 Irida but it defo feels like it's as if they made it thinking Irida was a 2024 pair

[slow sky]

but u take more dmg when its happening ☠️

[dim inlet]

I just have hail on entry with Irida

Easier that way

[slate light]

nc blue/irida/nc cheren did it pretty rng free

[kind wasp]

Idk if ill be able to beat leon or nita tbh not having sst red or nc blue is such a struggle

[sly oxide]

Same

[dim inlet]

That’s my team and I still struggle

[distant estuary]

Ofc tho having a striker that matches the weakness help

[slate light]

what's your move levels jhin

[dim inlet]

3/5 on all

[kind wasp]

I have ash but he’s the most useless of the electric pallet trio ss piers is 1/5 and ss roxie 3/5

[sly oxide]

I didn't make my NC Cheren 3/5 yet as doing Dailies to hit Pity from how shafted I got so can't use him for Nita

Did use Ghetsis and he did well

[kind wasp]

I have 1/5 irida and 3/5 red, I probably need 3/5 irida right?

[slow sky]

u do

[kind wasp]

I was thinking of ss morty or ss kris for support

[slow sky]

u need to clear sand 3 time

[kind wasp]

[kind wasp]

If I bring ss morty or ss kris do I still need to

[slate light]

huh. my cheren was 2/5 and he did fine
i synced with blue the first two times for synchro healing, then once nita had been dps'd down to 80% it was a matter of timing ice wish and syncing with irida for the rest

[slow sky]

that works too

can be any weather

that isnt sand

[kind wasp]

Alr then

[slow sky]

clear weather is good too

[viral canyon]

Not his field doesn't mean he's useless. SST red could survive this UB with Irida helps.

[slate light]

rayven sweep

[leaden dagger]

Seriously this is what I deal with everytime I use nc red as the third slot, he can't do anything good

The speed raising is just way too fast

[slow sky]

after the first sync, they ramp up the speed buff even more

☠️

[kind wasp]

I mean those 2 are just very useful for UBs and elsewhere especially nc blue

Probably getting blue and leaf on rerun and maybe sst red if I can

[sly oxide]

Yea when I seen that, had to replace him

[kind wasp]

I blink and she’s already at +4

[slow sky]

right before her 2nd sync

she +4 to her speed

with that stupid TM of hers

[kind wasp]

Its literally impossible to debuff her fast enough with irida

[leaden dagger]

If anything I can get her speed to be nothing when I use nc cheren, but then the problem there is he can't live long or even do good damage

That first eq she does puts him at half health

[slow sky]

Cheren needs the opponent debuffed in order to be able to take the abuse

[kind wasp]

Like she needs to not have her speed raised, but she buffs it by 4 right before sync which means she needs to be at -4 by then? while she’s constantly buffing it?

[slow sky]

debuffed as in attk down debuff

[slow sky]

yeap

pretty much u either have to 1. destroy her before 2nd sync or 2. find a way to debuff her speed to oblivion

AND OH did i mention...

[leaden dagger]

Yep got nc blue for that

[slow sky]

after her first sync

some buffoon will use speed up TM

☠️

its either her or 1 of her sidekick

[sly oxide]

Yea, I used 2 Speed debuffers

[slow sky]

cant rmb which 1

[viral canyon]

That just an example, tho.
Ash, Irida, and C Blue could defeat Anabel. Both Anabel and Nita have Weather thingy.

But, for some reason, Nita wants Speed debuff and Landorus is ground type. Very dangerous.
It's hard for Ash to survive.

[kind wasp]

She does like over 2k on first sync

[slow sky]

[sly oxide]

[slow sky]

did u let her build up her speed

lmao

[kind wasp]

No

[sly oxide]

I haven't seen her hit that hard

[kind wasp]

I missed 1 attack because gauge issues

[slow sky]

no def buffs on your ally?

[kind wasp]

And she was at 1 speed

[sly oxide]

Most I get hit for is like 300 with Zap buffing and debuffing

[slow sky]

if she even have 1 spd buff stack

[slate light]

then there you go

[slow sky]

that explains

[slate light]

speedster's sync 9 gaming

[slow sky]

☠️

[kind wasp]

Im using ss kris as the 3rd btw

[slow sky]

my most braindead clear is probably NC Cheren with SS Morty and NC Blue lol

didnt even take much effort for the clear

[sly oxide]

Nice

[slow sky]

NC Blue's random flinch is nice besides the debuff

[sly oxide]

I had Nita stall from Confuse and/or Para as well

Was convienent

[kind wasp]

She still does over 1k first sync

[slow sky]

☠️

[kind wasp]

Maybe I have to use ss morty to barely survive

[leaden dagger]

This is where I wish scsteven had some way to lower spdef and try with him with dps irida, or if anything I try with scdiantha

Like I'm out of options here

[distant estuary]

Can NC blue debuff spd or not rly

[slow sky]

no he cant

[slate light]

nope

[slow sky]

he can only debuff offensive stats effectively

that's about it

[low coral]

I assume that spd is Speed there

Speed he has no means of dropping

He can drop SpD, but just a bit

[leaden dagger]

The only other thing he can debuff is the defenses by 2 each but only on the first sync

[slate light]

mind gaming 2

[slow sky]

idt there is really many units that can debuff speed AOE constantly

[distant estuary]

Can't you just have NC Red freeze the opponent to yoink away their turn

[hearty cedar]

2/5 cheren?

[slow sky]

3/5

[leaden dagger]

You still won't have time

[slow sky]

u need the on a roll 3 grid

[distant estuary]

I don't think it's impossible but it's unforgiving

[slate light]

OAR3 is 2/5

[leaden dagger]

They increase the speed with every move they do

[slow sky]

well problem is u cant stop trainer moves

[distant estuary]

Grrrrrr...

[slow sky]

1 of the buffoons has a trainer move that buff speed

and they will use it after 1st sync

when all their debuffs are dispelled

which is cheating

[leaden dagger]

If you can even live the sync in the first place that is

[hearty cedar]

Did you not nuke with cheren?

[slow sky]

after the 1st 2 syncs, yes

first sync was Morty

[distant estuary]

Well... it's at least just speed increasing defense... if it was atk too then gg

[hearty cedar]

Nita is op then

[slow sky]

second was NC Leaf (Rolex)

[kind wasp]

Die

[slow sky]

uh they also buff attack

after 1st sync

so yeah

if you have no means of debuffing

the TM that mad woman uses before her 2nd sync

will set their team's attack to 6 stacks (TM adds 4 attk and 4 spd)

[low coral]

Oh, we got a SS Silver / SS N / SS Morty clear

[distant estuary]

I guarantee you they're going to release a masterfair or limited that clears this effortlessly

[slow sky]

so basically they are telling u, ur dead

[low coral]

With a pretty big emphasis on Silver there, as Silver's 5/5 and N's 1/5

[leaden dagger]

Yeah by the way it is looks, they gave us two options

1. You give up
2. You give up

[distant estuary]

Bigbrain move: give field EX role to Irida

[low coral]

3. You git gud

[slate light]

3. You win

[hearty cedar]

What was your turn rotation?

Especially after nita resetting her stats

[slow sky]

Leer spamming with Leaf

lol

as for why

its to prevent the sides from having positivie buff stacks

[hearty cedar]

2 underrated ice units with a fire birb. Kinda funny

[kind wasp]

So uh anything I can do for leon’s UB

[leaden dagger]

Wait she resets? OK yeah this is impossible for me then

[kind wasp]

How get ss silver 5/5 if 1/5

[hearty cedar]

Aah i made a mistake using leer twice and then going back to the bmove

[grizzled portal]

Cheren grid?

[slate light]

just a moment

[hearty cedar]

Well not total reset but she buffs her atk and speed back which makes leaf players pull their hair out

[slow sky]

I should upload my vid lol, but uh after the enemy's first sync, use Leer 4x for me

[kind wasp]

And also ive checked the clears in game and the docs and not one that I can do

[grizzled portal]

Ig she needed to be op for irida and red not to annihilate her

[slow sky]

then B move on mid

ideally this will put the evil woman at -4 attack after the B move

[leaden dagger]

Still even with a single debuff she's just doing near half to nc blue, like I basically can't do anything

[grizzled portal]

thank u

[slate light]

you can do whatever really, just make sure you have OAR3 on bleakwind

in my clear cheren didn't sync

[hearty cedar]

Who are your partners?

[slate light]

NC Blue and Irida, both 3/5

[hearty cedar]

Man i miss nc.blue

[dim inlet]

Can’t believe they made me hate Landorus on two seperate games

Amazing

[slow sky]

[hearty cedar]

I need to wait 4-5 more days for 3/5 cheren

[hearty cedar]

Lando being Lando

[grizzled portal]

Headstart or ww3

[hearty cedar]

Ww3

[dim inlet]

I’d rather play Elden Ring than this shit ngl

[earnest panther]

So after working, i come to realize why I was having so much trouble.

I had the wrong grid on NC Red.

[slate light]

had;
Vigi on Blue
SP3 on Irida since no constant weather uptime
CS2 on Cheren

[earnest panther]

I had my LG grid on.

[hearty cedar]

To think ice comp has troubles ontype. Lando equipped too many assault vests

[night stream]

How many times do we need weather change? 3?

[pine loom]

Lando T in disguise

[slate light]

probably should put vigi on Cheren since there was a close call from the crit EQ post first sync

[kind wasp]

Grid/LS suggestions? Roxie is EXR if that matters

[grizzled portal]

Landorus has assault vest and weakness policy

[hearty cedar]

3 is preferable but 2 could be enough in some specific cases

[dim inlet]

Lando casually one shotting my team with -6 attack while I have +6 on all defenses on his second sync

Haha love it!

[hearty cedar]

Ss piers is better in that comp, you aint winning without terrain extension

[earnest panther]

Sskris won't last.

You need physical defense not special defense

[leaden dagger]

Yeah I don't get it, the team just doesn't work

[hearty cedar]

Bro same problem here but I have it on -6 sp.atk

[kind wasp]

alr good to know

[hearty cedar]

100% hp of nc.red, gone

[kind wasp]

But he’s 1/5 so will it be enough

[dim inlet]

And on top of it all

Because they’re taking the piss

They have condition shield

YES

[hearty cedar]

Better than spamming ss roxie and failing, ss piers has extension at 1/5. You may need 3/5 for et on sync tho, lets see if ash can carry with btbolt

[dim inlet]

I’m sending a love letter to DeNA 🥰

[kind wasp]

Piers and rosa both have exr btw

[kind wasp]

Alr ill try, what about ash and rosa grids as well as exr

[hearty cedar]

Palmer, leon and nita all share the same background and all of them are problematic

[leaden dagger]

Also maybe im crazy but there's something weird to me involving irida

[slow sky]

[dim inlet]

Palmer ain’t on Nita’s level

[slow sky]

idk man, this is just bad design

Nita's stage that is

[dim inlet]

Close but not there of being annoying piece of shit

[hearty cedar]

Pick up he1 on thunder for ash, rosa should run fire guard as her lucky skill to survive leon's onslaught

[kind wasp]

Is she worse than anabel?

[leaden dagger]

I have 3/5 extended hail and zone, but she's doing the exact same thing as regular setters, they lose it before the first sync

[dim inlet]

Extremely worse

[slow sky]

In terms of using recommended units, Nita is 100% worse

[hearty cedar]

True. Palmer is easier....which is something I never thought I'd say