Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles

[true lagoon]

yeah you can probably kill before second sync

[hard lantern]

Is there a better choice than ssa cynthia here?

[true lagoon]

hard to say considering we dont know your supports

i used nc blue but like

yeah

i mean lol

[hard lantern]

I thought maybe courtney might need some support, but she can max herself out with some luck

[hearty cedar]

She works kinda well with courtney to setup her sync anyway so might as well use her

[hard lantern]

Ok gonna try before any more speculations

[true lagoon]

well nc blue is better as a unit

[hearty cedar]

I'd pick nc.rosa to boost dps with pmun/smun tbh

[true lagoon]

mm i dont think gio really needs it?

[hearty cedar]

Ye nc.blue with his debuffs helps a lot too

All 3 of them are great options for you to win against this stags

[hard lantern]

Oh wow courtney is so much more useful. Ss gio in ground zone takes them down with such ease

[distant estuary]

I have 3/5 Giovanni, 5/5 Courtney

or 2/5, I need to check, idr

Oh nice, 3/5 Giovanni. But I made a bad mistake on Courtney. She's 2/5

how...

It's been awhile since she's out, how is she still 2/5

[hard lantern]

I have both nc blue and nc rosa, i think they may be as good or better than ssa cynth. Without crit lucy doesn't deal a lot of damage

[true lagoon]

she just doesn’t do much period

the sure crit all is the most threatening part about her

[distant estuary]

So we need to bring something that can block crits?

(or Impervious ig)

[true lagoon]

no

[hard lantern]

Zone boosted ss gio goes hard. Without zone i could only get lucy to about 20-30% before 2nd sync. The maths check out i guess

[true lagoon]

it only matters if you have to go past second sync

[distant estuary]

Oh

[true lagoon]

but it shouldnt be an issue for most teams

[hard lantern]

Don't let her use sure crit

[true lagoon]

basically

[distant estuary]

SS Giovanni is 3/5 or 5/5?

[true lagoon]

she only has like 400k hp

not a lot to get through

[hard lantern]

3/5

Now can 4/5 base cynthia clear?

[true lagoon]

this cleared but im pretty sure you could just use a 3/5 grid for rose

dc9 was just extra

though if you dont have courtney 3/5

rip

[distant estuary]

SS Giovanni probably deals way more ground type damage than Rosè though

Or... wait...

Is it Rosè who deals more than SS Giovanni

[true lagoon]

st vs aoe

[hard lantern]

Hmmm maybe bring jasmine to block crits if it takes too long

[true lagoon]

but aoe is more valuable imo cuz sides have a lot of hp

but giovanni also has an ontype sync

[hard lantern]

I hope not. Ss gio is mainly ground

[distant estuary]

Well, I guess I'll come back when I get 3/5 Courtney or unlock SC Adaman somehow... which is not anytime soon unless I recharge in a select

[hard lantern]

How the hell did i clear this with sstr in BR? He deals like 1% every hit.

Can't remember what those boosts are and if they were relevant

[onyx cedar]

click them

[true lagoon]

nuke

also that looks like elite 4 and mc

wait no

uh

[onyx cedar]

nope

[pliant jewel]

Yellow is champion

[hard lantern]

Yeah that sounds about right. I remember not being too op for that fight. Victor's damage guard was helpful

[onyx cedar]

but what's the pink one

[spice swift]

So the Lucy clear isn't working out

[true lagoon]

why

[spice swift]

Mainly initial queueing

[true lagoon]

whats the issue

[spice swift]

Like I wanna click IW for the speed debuff

[true lagoon]

who are you using

[true lagoon]

uh what…

[spice swift]

1/5 NCB, 3/5 Iri, 3/5 NCR

I wanna click T move on Iri for the buff first

But I also wanna click IW

[true lagoon]

nc blue fully buffs irida

[spice swift]

But I also wanna click Zone

[true lagoon]

but just use the tm so your gauge isnt shot

[true lagoon]

just wait…

they have tms

[spice swift]

Because without Zone the output is very bad

Out of NCR

Also the trouble is IT from the opponent does a lot of damage

And it also buffs Spe

So I wanna quickly lower their spe with IW

So I don't exactly know what to do

[pine loom]

Irida doesn't have Ice Zone TM IIRC

[fast pendant]

Feels like you're making issues that don't exist

You have zone on entry, you don't need to click it early

[hard lantern]

Wdym? That's her whole deal

[fast pendant]

They don't have speed buffs on entry so clicking tm has no downside

[pine loom]

I mean MP refresh

[spice swift]

The 2/5 grid I'm using doesn't have Ice Zone on entry

[fast pendant]

Maybe you should fix your grid

[hard lantern]

You said irida was 3/5

[spice swift]

But then Red's first sync won't be under Zone

I can only make it that Red's first sync is under zone if I don't run entry

[fast pendant]

That's absolutely not true

[hard lantern]

At 3/5 irida has zone and hail extension

[spice swift]

Doesn't it run out just before?

[fast pendant]

Go try out and let us know

[spice swift]

I mean because her FWIB animation is very long

From experience it just barely runs out

[pliant jewel]

Blue is MC
Red is Rival
Pink is Gym Leader
Orange is Elite Four
Yellow is Champion
Black/Grey is Battle Facility
Purple is Villain
Green is Trial Giver

[hard lantern]

Gym leader upgrade
https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_items_(Masters)

[hard lantern]

Wow you memorized that? That's impressive

[spice swift]

Maybe I'll try a run without BIB

Until 2nd cycle

[pliant jewel]

Rival is red? Why do I doubt this

[onyx cedar]

let me check...

I had Rival a bit ago

[pliant jewel]

Yep it’s Red.

MC is blue…

You had one job Dena

[hard lantern]

Damn, that ruins the mnemonic

[spice swift]

Wow it's 3 am

Maybe I should really sleep

[hard lantern]

Sleep tight eon. Lucy will still be here for another 900 years

[onyx cedar]

just did another duo for Roxanne

thinking of anyone that can pair with her for this haha

https://youtu.be/UNKSXORGo7U

[silver spruce]

That’s really cool man. Congrats

[dapper badge]

I could use some help on the Round 2 of the Researcher and Seeker battle challenge, no matter how hard I try to hit the opposing Pokémon I barely leave a dent
I saw Volo, Giovanni and Caitlin recommended but I tried that and it didn’t work
Volo and Gio were Level 140 and Caitlin was Level 135
Tried using Anniversary Lillie too because she hits super hard and had Potions but that didn’t work either

[stone scarab]

Could you post your sync pair roster for me? The teams you're using dont have a traditional support which is gonna be hurting

[fast pendant]

Volo, Giovanni and a special support should work

[dapper badge]

@stone scarab Where do I go to get a screenshot of all my sync pairs? I used to be an active Pokémas player but haven't played in like 2 years and only came back for the Volo event, I basically forgot everything and am like a new player now

@fast pendant Thanks for the recommendation, I'll tag you when I get to posting my roster too if you wanna make recs for a special support owo

[stone scarab]

+tracker

[plucky swan]

Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button

[stone scarab]

i would recommend filling this out, the video underneath should give good enough instructions on how exactly this works

[dapper badge]

Thanks! I will when I have time owo

[onyx cedar]

well, what's more accessible than just using Professor Sycamore for the duo with Roxanne

https://youtu.be/5J0tO59rjXs

[unborn patrol]

Lucy is stupid easy with this team. Roxanne is only 1/5 too 😂

[onyx cedar]

ye

Roxanne and Adaman just wreck this stage

[crude marten]

the intended dps is definitely adaman

i think he just lacks good enabler

[valid raft]

Meh, I still don't think this fight is made for SC Adaman

[shrewd marten]

idk what else you need

big damage counters one of the gimmic

[crude marten]

adaman does a ton without zone and not debuffing her speed actually better for his enmity gimmick

[true lagoon]

me when sync move

[crude marten]

you can presync

[shrewd marten]

the syncmove is so ass

i literally dont care about getting hit in lucy

like jeezus

its weaksauce

[fresh aurora]

how do i beat the captured king's battle challenge 2 if i don't have a unova bug or fire pair?

my strongest unova pair is prolly ghetsis and he took down the other bc2 easily

[stable tundra]

Can you show your Unova and Bug/Fire roster?

[fresh aurora]

not much to show lmao

[valid raft]

No Hilda or Burgh

[fresh aurora]

it is rough in these woods

[stable tundra]

i don't think you have a good chance to clear the mission sadly

[valid raft]

How many pre-sync clears on Lucy do we have?

[fresh aurora]

aw man i suspected as much but was hoping otherwise

what if i pull barry tomorrow

[fast pendant]

Who's your strongest unit

You don't need to do both missions at the same time

You can do full unova with ghetsis, Skyla and someone else

And another with a big carry, fire and bug unit

[final yacht]

I'm not at home for more than a week and updating the UB sheet is not practical at all without a 2nd screen

[lunar sedge]

You should share the task with someone else atp

[stable tundra]

[rotund oasis]

for tomorrow's battle challenge

Aura Cynthia goes nuts xD

just not quite sure what team i'd be using for both missions.

[valid raft]

Oh no, Wise Entry on two types that have mostly physical damage dealers. What to do?

[rotund oasis]

can probably nuke it with Guzma (lol)

Ohhhh

i see it now.

Registeel - Guzma - Aura Cynthia

that should do it

[valid raft]

Why do you have a move rotation? Isn't it random moves what they use?

[final yacht]

you want to update this nightmare?

[valid raft]

Will they get paid?

[rotund oasis]

someone here said that most BC and EBEs has a move rotation

[final yacht]

of course not lmfao

[rotund oasis]

forgot who said it

so i just copy what they said

[valid raft]

That's false, only EBs and UBs have a fixed rotation

[rotund oasis]

really? well wokay

[valid raft]

I was planning on Thorton gaming, but he only has steel zone after he syncs

[rotund oasis]

he's got Wise Entry x2 ;_;

but well considering he's 23k hp, that's actually manageable

[pine loom]

Doesn't wise entry boosts defense buffs, and internal stats

[valid raft]

Which are we talking about? n or xn?

[rotund oasis]

ew 😮

[pine loom]

Wtf is N and XN

[rotund oasis]

definitely needs to turn off Rock Zone

[valid raft]

Wise Entry 2 or Wise Entry x2?

[pine loom]

Wise entry x2

[valid raft]

Wise Entry x2 directly affects the base Sp. Def. stat preemptively, which is essentially halving your special damage

[rotund oasis]

anywwho

let me remove the move rotation

aight that should do it

[stable tundra]

maybe

[final yacht]

you sure

[fresh aurora]

ghetsis doesn't output enough dmg

i get them to about 20% before i die out

[fast pendant]

Who are you using with

[stable tundra]

i'm certain (i will regret later)

[spiral summit]

[fresh aurora]

rosa and skyla

ghetsis is fully gridded tho

[eternal yacht]

would this team work?

[stable tundra]

yes, it should

[fast pendant]

You could try a lodge unit instead of rosa, but would probably want skyla ex

[fresh aurora]

i only have surge and raichu

what does ex do for skyla besides a cool new outfit?

[fast pendant]

Support ex

I would have to test if it can clear, don't recommend doing it without knowing

[fresh aurora]

oh don't bother i don't have enough for a cake lol

[eternal yacht]

Courtney keeps dying to second sync. Is there a way around that?

I gave her Status Immunity to avoid Poison

Why did they give her sure crit all

i had to spam potions only for red to get OHKOd

[fast pendant]

It's not cake, cake is for ex role. Base ex uses and

[fading walrus]

I don't think she can unless you have semi perfect skill gear

But even then

Ideally you should kill mid before she sure crit all or kill sides and then mid before second sync

[fast pendant]

What are you using Courtney for

She's not ex and your red is, so he's better sync, Red debuffs Speed as well, she doesn't have a particularly strong dps.

Feels like she's not adding anything

[fading walrus]

Oh yeah exless Courtney is useless

I didn't notice

[true lagoon]

nah mine lives perfectly fine with 3/5 ex

oh wait ex

[fresh aurora]

oh okay

i think i have just enough to do 1 unit

[eternal yacht]

who should i add to the team then?

[sour elk]

Did you guys see the 460K B Experimental Stored Power showcase vs Palmer ?

It was higher than any B thunderbolt I've seen against Palmer

[warm haven]

Yeah, its one of the strongest moves i've seen

[sour elk]

Yeah it was insane, at first I thought it would come out behind B Thunderbolt since it does less than B thunderbolt if both have the same amount of SMUN

But Jacq has a sync > +10 B Stored Power rotation with NC Rosa, it's crazy

[silver spruce]

What UBs do you guys feel that SC Selene will be able to complete?

[fast pendant]

She prevents conditions in zones which makes her somewhat good Vs Lucy

[silver spruce]

Darach and Lucy were the two that came to mind

I don't think steel has enough to deal with Thorton or Palmer

[fast pendant]

She's fire weak and darach spams heat wave

[silver spruce]

He uses it every so often and a decent support can help

[fast pendant]

It's very often

[jade marsh]

It’s very often

He alternates brave bird and heat wave

In the best case scenario he uses it every 4 moves

Worst case it’s every 2

[onyx cedar]

this can also work... managed to clear it 😛

not recommendable tho... Courtney is just miles better

[true lagoon]

looks awful

but impressive

[silver spruce]

I tried that with Elaine over Bertha and made it to 40%

Does the trap chip help that much?

[final yacht]

it's not about trap

bertha has a nuke

[onyx cedar]

I didn't sync with Bertha

lol

[final yacht]

ah

[onyx cedar]

https://youtu.be/08rXOqS6aIw

and yeah, chip damage comes a long way there

Trap + Sandstorm + Rock DF

the odd thing is that I missed one instaq sadly... but got to win

[silver spruce]

I don't care, that clear make me so happy

I wanted gible to appear and it has

Thank you for your efforts!

[onyx cedar]

yeah, I wanted to make Gible + Garchomp work

bet that if I used Skill Gear, I could've gotten an easier time

[silver spruce]

I'm surprised you didn't run dust kicker

[onyx cedar]

I have 5 Sandstorms lol

[silver spruce]

Fair enough

I usually just prefer instant reset, more attack spam

[jade marsh]

extension is more than enough yeah

and even without it volo has 2

[onyx cedar]

and yeah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/960306675473084426/1228126468123529267/Screenshot_2024-04-11-18-35-20-623_com.dena.a12026418.jpg?ex=662ae8e7&is=661873e7&hm=b07a072cc7638b5ddc6b9cb86ec4b9b53a8629f024549e1748f0344b2f087bcb&

Skill Gear makes this even easier

[true lagoon]

rip gible

[onyx cedar]

Gible can't tank the sure crit sync sadly

[shrewd marten]

Gib

[onyx cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/960306675473084426/1228132329835200562/Screenshot_2024-04-11-18-59-07-863_com.google.android.apps.nbu.files.jpg?ex=662aee5d&is=6618795d&hm=d481a3fa4f1dbe9f11d10b3e9634e2908d52026da38a688fc6a93ceba023ca72&

ok, done it

Gible is alive and well!

Gible can live if there's no sync crit to tank, am I right

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/960306675473084426/1228124491163631698/Screenshot_2024-04-11-18-27-23-307_com.dena.a12026418.jpg?ex=662ae710&is=66187210&hm=fe2467c790e13959c9ba5b0cfbd75af39bf3c3a7f0b5186698c718e954814a20&

https://youtu.be/aOQ6aU-rvzo

[crude marten]

the smol lives

[rotund oasis]

Maxed out hp rofl

[onyx cedar]

max out Attack

HP is 160 haha

Lucy couldn't handle the shame and died to Sandstorm instead of Gible

since that Bulldoze was VERY likely to KO her lol

[rotund oasis]

Sand screen garchomp?

Whose nuking though? All for cynthia?

[onyx cedar]

only Cynthia is using sync

[rotund oasis]

Neat

[onyx cedar]

no extra energy on anything

[rotund oasis]

Oh doesnt need dust kicker huh. Interesting

[onyx cedar]

there are 5 sandstorms

[stone scarab]

You have 5 uses by default

And with all of those having extension any more would be kinda overkill

[rotund oasis]

Id grab the ramming speed with her extra for optimized eqs

[onyx cedar]

how you'd grab Ramming Speed?

[rotund oasis]

My cynthia is max70 o.o

[onyx cedar]

oh, yeah

then just go for it lol

[stone scarab]

Doesn't hurt, right

[onyx cedar]

I try to limit myself to 60 haha

go more if I need to, but indeed, Ramming Speed will help

[rotund oasis]

I tried uh garchomp, gible and aura cynthia last time

But 2 rats and a bird later won me that quiet challenge the strong node

[onyx cedar]

yeah, those can win the stage lol

just wanted an excuse to run Gible 😛

after overworking my Roxanne with duos lol

[stone scarab]

I've been trying to make SC Adaman/Lodge Serena work for a bit

Unfortunately the bird dies before second sync and then she gets speed buffs and I get sure crit

[rotund oasis]

Doesnt lucy's team spam special moves?

[onyx cedar]

nope

uses Sludge Wave 3 times

[stone scarab]

Its pretty even

[onyx cedar]

at the start of the battle

and after each threshold

after using one move

[stone scarab]

You get Iron Tail, and Rock Slides from the sides

[rotund oasis]

Hum gotcha

[onyx cedar]

Nidoking also uses Sludge Wave

[stone scarab]

Those hurt

[onyx cedar]

after the sequence goes back to him

[shrewd marten]

You’re the best

[silver spruce]

GDI

[rotund oasis]

Damage'd rolled

[silver spruce]

yup

I have the sequence figured out

It's just telling me to go to bed and get the recording tommorrow

[floral crypt]

I cooked today
#community-content message

[shrewd marten]

The venom drench is wild

[silver spruce]

I still need to figure out a masterfair free anabel clear

[shrewd marten]

Wait for cake may

Actually vlyra just wins that too

And dahlia probably wins with may as well

[final yacht]

Sycamore, F Roxanne duo

[shrewd marten]

They said annabel my guy

That looks like Lucy

[shrewd marten]

Poke

[final yacht]

Cant read

[onyx cedar]

what's reading?

[final yacht]

There are already master fair free Anabel clears

[silver spruce]

Yes but I can’t replicate that clear with my roster.

It uses 5/5 for Roxie, Mina, and Oleana

[final yacht]

No?

[silver spruce]

I’m not willing to invest 5 candies to get a clear

[final yacht]

There's another one at least

With V Lyra

[silver spruce]

All the v Lyra Ive seen have used a master fair

[stone scarab]

Theres like, at least 4 or 5 MFless comps I've seen

[final yacht]

Check the doc

[stone scarab]

Theres the Volo/Dahlia/SS Mina one that got posted here from reddit recently for instance

[silver spruce]

It hasn’t been updated in the do

Doc

The only two in the doc are oleana roxie and Mina. Or Mina Lyra and eusine which may be my best bet

[fast pendant]

Dahlia is far better

[true lagoon]

Dahlia kinda fucks shit up vs anabel

especially if you can get easy pickings

[olive hull]

Hot off a Rally win with a good team, I thought I could take on the real deal. Nope. These battles are still completely unwinnable. Awful content

[true lagoon]

its rally

[rotund oasis]

Wtf gigalith sets rock zone after sync

Hmm guess i do aura cynthia's for 2nd hmm

[rotund oasis]

Ded gigalith o.o

[round vale]

Or you just presync

[quick pewter]

Low effort event for me lol

[rotund oasis]

That last one... They will hit hard o.o

[fading walrus]

Not by too much tbh

390-430k Vs 460k

[valid raft]

I've done 486k with Ash's B Move on Palmer

And how many sync buffs BTW?

F2P friendly clear

Both missions

Actually, I realized just now that Darach can be easily replaced for BP Falkner

Since Aaron + K. Grimsley already fulfills both missions

[lunar sedge]

I forgot SolMC don't have alola tag lmao

[round vale]

Hahaha

Another one fall into their trap

[rotund oasis]

Solgaleo gaming lets go

does he hit hard despite rock zone though? i turned that thing off immediately

[lunar sedge]

not really

[cosmic token]

Wanna be an asshat Raihan? Fine then.

[sour elk]

Yeah, but it was still very impressive to me since I was generally low balling B Stored Power to be decently below B thunderbolt and it seems to be similarly strong

[sour elk]

Wow that's crazy, how many SMUN did you manage to stack?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonMasters/s/BwVRvjyGce

[crude marten]

i think it should depends on the rotation order as well

[sour elk]

That was the run, it had 4 sync buffs, it was done immediately after Jacq's sync following Rosa's

[warm haven]

Jacq has the advantage of having lots of TM so he can stack SMUN better, and a better team for stacking SMUN too

If you add his nuke he prob has the strongest burst in the game

[crude marten]

ash has higher scaling but youll likely never achieve it due to team limitations since blue cant really stack up smun that much unless you mpr fishing and delaying a lot of turns

people just dont like jacq for some reasons

[valid raft]

Actually, it's 482k with 9 stacks of SpMUN

And my team was Chase and NC Blue

4 sync buffs too

And obviously 0 Sp. Def. debuffs

[sour elk]

The fact you could've climbed even higher with Mind Games Chase

[valid raft]

Chase had no time to use Thunder Shock

Also, that 482k is probably just a good roll

[sour elk]

Oh lol

Did you sync with Chase > Blue and then released B Thunderbolt?

[valid raft]

I released B Thunderbolt after Ash's sync

https://youtu.be/HONiEBRyMUM?si=9bqjEeqeP5j1DT8d

[crude marten]

thats 5 sync buffs

[valid raft]

Hmmmm

I kinda forgot, it's been too long

[crude marten]

but yes ash has higher scaling if you can stack up his smun

[low coral]

I think it's way more likely Ash will deal more on an average battle than Jacq will, though

[crude marten]

i think theyre kind of similar but also different at the same time

ash is still overall the better unit but still

[warm haven]

Yeah ash is def better

Tho im not sure if ash would deal more damage overall

jacq sync is like what, 3 times ash's sync?

[crude marten]

well ash has way better dps

[low coral]

Well, Ash's supposed to be an AoE Sync too

[crude marten]

his dps probably reached jacq sync

maybe even more

[warm haven]

Yeah, if you count AoE def ash wins

But even if ash has way better dps, his dps was never his strong point

[low coral]

If I just want to cap on mid damage, I would sync with a Tech unit

Or NC Red

[low coral]

Well, it def is

Ash's base DPS is not amazing

But Ash's external steroid access is probably the best in the game

[crude marten]

ash red blue just synergizes too well compared too lana jacq rosa

[warm haven]

Yeah

[low coral]

Well, what is lacking there, actually?

[warm haven]

Lana jaq rosa actually have really good synergy

Theyre not broken because it's only 1 MF

To be a "complete" setup they just need MP and 1 extra rebuff

[crude marten]

its not always masterfair problem me think

its more like jacq doesnt provide defense debuff to lana

if were using ub scenario

its very likely sides will still be alive when mid dies

[valid raft]

Ash has better DPS overall than Jacq

[crude marten]

like rosa/rei/chop comp is overall better imo

[low coral]

I'm actually curious who do you prefer between the main Psychic units atm

[crude marten]

like the bis team?

still rosa/jacq/lana actually

jacq is interchangeable with ssteven

something like lucy ub steven wouldve cleared faster

for palmer and darach i think jacq comp can win in terms of speed clear

wait actually

jacq might still get the better time in lucy

its just the sides will take a while to beat

[warm haven]

Oh yeah sync + bmove could take two bars

[crude marten]

yeah jacq still wins i think

[low coral]

Hmm, I'm talking more in general

Rather than clear time specifically

Like what has the better potential of beating more stages

[crude marten]

kinda hard to tell depending on stage gimmick

[low coral]

Do they even change too much based on gimmick tho

Since they're mostly damage machines

[crude marten]

some punishes you for killing mid too fast for example

and if lana couldnt handle sides itll be a problem

in that particular scenario then slotting steven is better

[fast pendant]

well, steven has offensive debuffs which can be quite relevant for a lot of stages

[crude marten]

and ofcourse tons of debuffing like hau ebe might be a problem to jacq as well

[fast pendant]

I don't think steven is mostly dmg machine even 'tho he's a very good one

[low coral]

Well, most Ubers DD aren't, that's just a way of saying it

Since they otherwise struggle to actually reach Uber

[fast pendant]

I haven't seen a jacq clear against lucy, but I would like to see how he handles it since it's likely one of his worst cases

also interested in non-lana teams

which I haven't seen any

[sour elk]

Yeah she has 2 HP thresholds, those are Jacq's kryptonite

[fast pendant]

sides are also not dying to any early bursts or to Lana alone in short battle

[sour elk]

I'm wondering if Jacq + SS Steven would hold up to either + SS Lana

[fast pendant]

in long battles, not short ones

[low coral]

Idt SS Lana would be worth removing

There's a pretty big damage loss individually for both of them between Psychic Terrain and Weird Vibes 2

On top of both working better vs mid while Lana is the best of the three for sides

The main gain I think is both benefiting from Rosa's SMUN

[crude marten]

the ideal scenario is deleting 2nd bar with sync and burst the 3rd bar with stored power

but idk if they have enough output for the first bar before jacq sync

sides will be alive though thats tomorrows problem

[warm haven]

Another team that beats all UBs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqOn8jSWWtA

[spice basin]

Dahlia + Mina is a great pairing huh

[warm haven]

Dahlia is such a great pair

[low coral]

I think that was already proven, just not compiled in a single video, right?

[onyx cedar]

I think so

[low coral]

But mostly in-game replays or videos on different channels

[onyx cedar]

tosakinto did many of this runs

but not all

[low coral]

But yeah, the team checks all marks, basically

[warm haven]

Oh i didnt know about them

[low coral]

Except maybe some physical bulk not being the best, but you still got Cerena debuffs

[warm haven]

Impressive how they clear Argenta with rain

The fairy team couldnt iirc

[low coral]

Well, they do remove rain

It's just slightly delayed

[river prawn]

Also Dahlia has on type advantage there

[low coral]

But dealing some turns with Argenta under rain is way easier than Anabel on sun

[warm haven]

yeah

[low coral]

So, that makes it 4?

Or 3.5 if you don't wanna count Ice core twice

[true lagoon]

the rain is only permanent if argenta sets it so mina’s rain can remove it after a while

[low coral]

I was talking with Runner, it looked like NC Red / NC Silver / NC Blue had potential

[true lagoon]

but i wonder if theres a true brute force through the rain without replacement

[low coral]

But the damage on Anabel didn't look sufficient

[warm haven]

[low coral]

Although I think some Grusha comp with NC Red could potentially work

[fossil fjord]

Bro, Sonia sucks against Tornadus wtf

I'm unable to survive bar 1

[stable tundra]

#1012311116778586182 is the correct channel

[fossil fjord]

Oops

[stable tundra]

also avoid getting poisoned, and get many Potion MPRs as possible

[stable tundra]

~~i'll be watching you ~~

[spiral summit]

SC Sonia suck

[fading walrus]

Or staggering 2 procs

Once torn is para'd, spam only and only tackle

To get more speed drops and more sync cd

[stable tundra]

Torn only gets flinch for a couple of times before getting immunity

[fading walrus]

Yeah but flinches early on can mean getting some extra turns that can mean a lot anyway in long run

Especially if it helps skipping toxic

[final yacht]

Guys that's the EBE UB channel please 😭

[rich heron]

EBE UB

[valid raft]

[echo atlas]

I would love to clear Palmer with Volo and Gladion, but I am lacking a third fairy top tier. Who could I use?

[warm haven]

You best option is SS Mina

[spice basin]

Volo + Gladion won't cut it you need a tech nuke like SS Wally

And even that team needs the turns to get damage in so SS Mina for survivability or extra rebuffs from Penny

[echo atlas]

Yeaa I don't have those

I was considering something like SS Brendan but idk honestly

[true lagoon]

ss brendan isnt really good for ubs

too inconsistent defense buffing and every ub is mixed damage

[warm haven]

All of them are more physical oriented even

[true lagoon]

ehh anabel is definitely more special oriented

[warm haven]

she has a physical sync

oh wait the doc says special

[true lagoon]

its fire beam

also argenta is definitely more special oriented too

liquidation and waterfall are pretty harmless

unless waterfall flinches

[fast pendant]

well their question is about palmer

which doesn't need a real tank

brendan does debuff sp.def which helps

[warm haven]

true

and he has sync accel so he's not bad for palmer

[echo atlas]

Yea, I was only speaking about Palmer

My guess was that he is a support ex able to spread some spdef debuff, has a tiny bit of accel and gives a couple smun stacks during the battle

[fast pendant]

it for sure helps, but I don't know if gladion dmg will be enough if he's the one nuking

[spice basin]

I don't think it will, mine was pretty neck to neck

[stable tundra]

https://youtu.be/wbG8-STWTXM

Just in time

[true lagoon]

do you think its doable with only 1/5 penny and gladion

i doubt hau move level really matters

[stable tundra]

Not at all

[spice basin]

Oh nice this is cool

I wonder if Penny 5/5 is mandatory or you can squeeze enough in with Gladion

[stable tundra]

I think 5/5 Penny is mandatory

Double rebuffs are huge

[true lagoon]

oh

rip

[warm haven]

Thats really nice

It's actually even better than the team with mina and wally

[spice basin]

It does manage to presync max I gotta give them that

[warm haven]

That team prob can presync darach

[stable tundra]

Step down Mina, the best Fairy support is decided

[spice basin]

The clown from your pfp is gone too early it seems

[stable tundra]

Clearly no biased fact

[echo atlas]

I made my calcs and 5/5 Brendan would be pretty easy actually

But no way I'm investing in 5/5 LOL

[fast pendant]

not so sure about that

[valid raft]

Best fairy support is Profressor Gigachad

[stable tundra]

I don't remember Turo is playable now

[warm haven]

soon

but the best fairy support will be suppot rolex ss wally

[fading walrus]

Or you get liquidation proc Def debuff 3-4 times in a match

[true lagoon]

if that happens you’re just absurdly unlucky

its a 20%

[fading walrus]

[valid raft]

Still talking LG here?

[fading walrus]

Argenta

[valid raft]

Ah

[pliant jewel]

down

[fading walrus]

I think skippingmud also did Argenta with him, but tbh it's an NC blue + NC silver team with 3 vigilance units so what new unit cannot do that lol

[dapper badge]

@stone scarab @fast pendant W he w I finally found time to do the Sync Pairs Tracker thing

Here are all my current sync pairs, move levels may not be 100% accurate but most of the 5* ones are at 1 anyway. I know Volo and Giovanni are helpful for Round 2 of the Researcher and Seeker extra challenge, which other unit should I use?

[fast pendant]

You can try with xerenas as tank

[pliant jewel]

Haven’t tech mine yet, but it still took 8 sync buffs not sure if Water Guard is required.

[dapper badge]

Oooooooh thanks!

[nova mortar]

Is there a clear with Leon Alt for Anabel?

[stable tundra]

You can check the pins to find out. There is one iirc

[nova mortar]

Ah, gotcha. Thanks

[valid raft]

I used KriSS and Dianthacie on Lucy, but they're still graded as C

[dim lance]

https://youtu.be/KoUiiq4auX8?si=S-3FffcSYsmqMNwz

Welp

We have another comp that full clears UBs

[round vale]

I don't have 2/3 mons...

[spice basin]

Let's gooo

This is my favourite comp

[warm haven]

finally

[modest orchid]

Do yall think a team of NC Red/Selene/SS Morty could handle Argenta, or is that just not enough damage?

[valid raft]

Definitely, especially because NC Red has double rebuff and since they have Antifreeze, you don't have to worry about sun

[valid raft]

Which Selene are talking about?

[modest orchid]

Decidueye

[valid raft]

Hmmmm

Selene is easily the most replaceable here if you have limited units

[modest orchid]

I was thinking she’s an easy nuke with super effective damage and not totally abysmal DPS

[valid raft]

Well, NC Red already gives status change

[modest orchid]

I have some other grass types, but like Mix Red kinda needs consistent terrain and that’s not really an option

I need someone better than at least off type Zerena because the comp didn’t work with her

I have NC Marnie who is better damage than Zerena but she does NOT play nicely with SS Morty

[valid raft]

Selene also doesn't benefit from SS Morty

[modest orchid]

That’s just my best support

That slot is arbitrary

[valid raft]

I mean, SS Morty gives sun

[modest orchid]

I don’t have great fire units

Anni N maybe?

[valid raft]

And it's more important to replace Argenta's rain

Than her psychic terrain

[modest orchid]

Maybe I’ll use Anni N in 3rd slot

[valid raft]

That's actually good since N debuffs both offensive stats for more surviviability and he gives Sp. Def. debuffs

[modest orchid]

Consistent sp def drops help red too and he has a good nuke for the first half

[valid raft]

And his DPS is AoE

[stone scarab]

Brendan perhaps?

[modest orchid]

Brendan is an option

[stone scarab]

benefits from SS Morty's sun setting and his damage isn't half bad

[modest orchid]

I’ll play with both

[valid raft]

Brendan is better than Selene, but I think Anni N is better for the long run since he also has a nuke of his own

[modest orchid]

Gauge isn’t a big issue since Red doesn’t really use much when rebuff is active

[valid raft]

Yes

[modest orchid]

Oh yeah he’s great for gauge lol

[valid raft]

Well, you need to reapply it when Argenta reaches 50% HP

[modest orchid]

Yeah I know

[valid raft]

Because she cures rebuffs at 50% HP and makes the weather turn to rain too

[modest orchid]

His sync does though so it’s fine

I just won’t sync first half with red

No problem at all

I’ll lyk if I manage this

I probably can’t but I’ll try lol

[modest orchid]

Yeah it’s not looking doable for me without ridiculous RNG

Am I supposed to target the sides?

[valid raft]

N and Red easily handle the sides

But if you're gonna go to Argenta's 2nd sync and beyond, then you might need Vigilance on your team

[modest orchid]

Yeah I put Vigilance on my team after the sides crit both Red and N with spread moves twice in a row

[valid raft]

She has Dire Hit All+, so it makes sense

[modest orchid]

Doesn’t she use that immediately before her sync though

[true lagoon]

would ss hau ss ace sst be able to clear argenta

[valid raft]

She uses it before her 2nd and 3rd sync. After that, since she has +3 crit, she'll just spam her moves

And OFC there's that 50%/80% chance of critting your damage dealers

[modest orchid]

I mean my first run I didn’t get that far because the first two spread moves used crit lol

[fringe oracle]

Could this team work with more investment?

[valid raft]

It can

SS Acerola being 3/5 and EX

[fringe oracle]

Why? I saw her grid and i didnt see what made it so good?

[valid raft]

She has Green Thumb, which can reapply grassy terrain if Acerola syncs. Which means you technically have infinite grassy terrain

[fringe oracle]

Why not just EX red?

[valid raft]

EX Red will definitely work well with Acerola, but without Acerola's 3/5, Red's damage will be extremely weak

Since his B Move is only activated if grassy terrain is active

[fringe oracle]

But his EX activates grassy terrain?

[valid raft]

It does and extends it, but your team has very limited grassy terrain usage even with Acerola's extension

[true lagoon]

you would want green thumb

and take first sync with acerola

[valid raft]

And since Red is your only damage dealer, he needs as much grassy terrain uptime as possible

[true lagoon]

then keep syncing with mix red

[fringe oracle]

I just checked, didnt realize that field EX only applied terrain once

[valid raft]

Yeah

But good thing is that the extension will stack

Which means along with Acerola's passive extension, you technically have grassy terrain extension 10

[true lagoon]

yeah its 145 seconds

[valid raft]

Or however the amount is

[true lagoon]

so like 3 cycles long

[fringe oracle]

Wait terrain is based on time and not moves used?

[valid raft]

Field duration is based on the animation time of the moves

[fringe oracle]

Huh

[valid raft]

Which is why B Moves are sort of a detriment for fields

[jade marsh]

Not on the animation time, there’s a separate timer and if you queue a move in those seconds it’s under WTZ regardless of animation

[true lagoon]

well b move = bad for field still

and on some units cough ss diantha its real bad

[valid raft]

Bad for field in general

[shrewd marten]

“Bad”

[modest orchid]

Is SS Acerola someone worth candying?

[valid raft]

Oh yes

[modest orchid]

Maybe I’ll just try that so I can use my mix red for Argenta

[true lagoon]

yes

because it lowers uptime

[modest orchid]

Oh wow I just got a support candy today too

[winged yew]

guys, i can't clear last 2 missions on Caputred King... any advice? resources which i can refer to?

Sorry if someone already answered this

[fast pendant]

No worries, can you show your units? This can help you display them

+tracker

[plucky swan]

Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button

[winged yew]

These are my units for missions 11-12 (thanks)

[valid raft]

Doesn't Ghetsis solo carry this?

Just grab his powerboost and EX and he'll just destroy everything with Glaciate

[pliant cove]

So im reading the UB matchup chart. Is this impossible to do this without the pairs that have overall score?

[valid raft]

You can probably try to integrate some of the units in some clears

[winged yew]

Ghecis is EX’d and at 130 but can’t clear that stage

[left crow]

Are you triple/quadqueueing

Also bring some unova units

[winged yew]

This is the team

[valid raft]

Ok, firstly, Rosa should be first target

And Ghetsis needs to buff his critical hit

[fading walrus]

He gets sharp entry 1 + TM crit eye 1 on grid

Also Rosa is first target already

[winged yew]

Did it!!! Thanks guys ❤️

Now with this team I think it’s impossible 🤷‍♂️

[marble flume]

Worst case scenario you can just do the 3 Unova and give up the 100 gems from Fire + Bug

[winged yew]

Yep I’m doing this way

Thanks for the support

[left crow]

You don't have a support there. You can remove ghetsis and add skyla or hilbert

[winged yew]

But if I took away ghet then I do not have striking force

[left crow]

Striking force?

[winged yew]

Both bug and fire units are weak against that Pokémon in the stage

[left crow]

Uh it's the opposite

Pokemon in that stage are weak against bug and fire

Burgh and hilda can finish then off but you need a tanky pokemon to keep units alive while doing so

[winged yew]

Yep agreed but when I attach with their moves I’m not effective 🤷‍♂️

Now I try

[left crow]

Hmm, are they gridded?

Can i see your unova roster?

[stable tundra]

1/5 Hilda and 1/5 Burgh are bad

you need a strong off-region support to have a chance to use him to win

[left crow]

I cleared them with those 3 but then again i have 5/5 in all

[echo atlas]

DID IT FINALLY

Lv140 pairs because yes

[dry zephyr]

Wait so you are saying that team clears all UBs?

[dim lance]

Yes

[shrewd marten]

It has yes

[dry zephyr]

😮

Dam I don't got Wally though

[shrewd marten]

Before this team swapped ncleaf in to help

Argenta

[dry zephyr]

Kirby what is another team?

[shrewd marten]

But argenta is piss easy so a little bit of rain was okay

Uhh you have roplames irida ncred team

And you have the ncsilver sstr ncblue team

Like it’s ironic cuz annabel is so oppressive when you set up her weather you basically auto die

Ssmina sets rain that isn’t extended and just sits there until it runs out

It’s wild

[shrewd marten]

In case no see I pingus you

[ancient swan]

i can't wait to see the end of this UB

[lunar hatch]

Can this team beat an ultimate battle?

[spice basin]

Check the pins in this channel, there's documented clears for each UB. You need to tackle each stage's gimmicks accordingly and teambuild around that, info of which is also in the pins

[inner heath]

can probably do thorton without changing anything

[boreal abyss]

Soon TM

[covert marlin]

@lunar hatch can do Thorton, Lucy and Argenta

Thorton cause rebuff carried
Lucy only requires antitoxin
Argenta is trickier, will need to clear first rain with Leaf and save her sync for below 50% to clear rain and apply rebuff again

[fading walrus]

I mean

What's the news there

Rei 1/5 can carry even Riley non Rolex to victory

[boreal abyss]

Barry

Actually contributing with close combats

[fading walrus]

Yeah I mean

[valid raft]

Does Barry actually use his B Move?

[fading walrus]

I'm not surprised

[boreal abyss]

Once

For turn denial

[fading walrus]

It definitely can help whittling Empoleon to denial

[boreal abyss]

Not even Empoleon

Snorlax

[fading walrus]

Jeez

Is Rei 3/5?

[boreal abyss]

With him I can sync turn 1 with aura Cynthia

Everyone is 3/5

[fading walrus]

Then yeah expected

1/5 can't really denial snorlax

Even if rolexd

[boreal abyss]

The denials are expected, the final result totally no

[valid raft]

There's no duo on Palmer yet right?

[fading walrus]

I mean

[boreal abyss]

Quad queues and precise turns are heavily needed

[fading walrus]

If Riley can get carried

[boreal abyss]

And proper debuffs

[fading walrus]

I expect Barry to do the same

[boreal abyss]

That's the neat part, no one is carrying anyone

[fading walrus]

Since Riley DPS and nuke aren't really as good as barrys

[boreal abyss]

Sd5 ramming speed close combat actually deals a bunch

[fading walrus]

Yeah no sorry, on Palmer, everyone is carried by Rei

Rei is the sole Uber tier for palmer

[boreal abyss]

I understand that if no one else helps

But considering the opposite happens, it's not a total carry, sorry

Pretty doable thanks to the spiral megahorn denials

[valid raft]

If Rei carries, then how come there are clears without him?

[broken crag]

bird and rats true UB team

[boreal abyss]

True haha

[valid raft]

But I did Palmer once without SST Red, the supposed main carry of electric teams

[dull hill]

Im trying to beat battle Challenge round 2 in the heroes event (im failing)

[valid raft]

Which one?

[rotund oasis]

The Rock Zone Raihan iirc

[valid raft]

Aaron + K. Grimsley + Darach/BP Falkner/Lisia should do it

[crude marten]

did you record

lemme know when the video is up

[boreal abyss]

Gonna start recording now

I will let you know

[crude marten]

[dull hill]

ya mean this falkner?

[valid raft]

Yes

[valid raft]

Seeing you K. Grimsley at 1/5, I think I'm changing my mind now

[dull hill]

oh alr

[stable tundra]

you can try to do both missions separately

Sinnoh/Alola then Bug/Steel

[valid raft]

I think Molayne can be a good substitute for K. Grimsley

Aaron + Molayne + Defog unit (Either Darach or BP Falkner)

[stable tundra]

that requires investments on an unit they not gonna use anywhere

they don't need to use ontype

[valid raft]

Neither BP Falkner nor Darach needs investment, they're just there to Defog the rock zone and lower their attack stats

[stable tundra]

i was talking about Molayne

[valid raft]

Hmmm

[lyric grove]

Is the HP percentage a setting?

Also congrats on clearing Palmer

[final yacht]

yeah it's new

[boreal abyss]

yep new feature

very useful

[fading walrus]

Helps a lot with UB endure ranges

[boreal abyss]

what's not useful instead is tablet lagging

taking ages to record a simple thing cuz it overheats lol

[fading walrus]

My phone lags already

But

It lags less without move order displayed

So try that

[boreal abyss]

thank you btw, already cleared when he got out but this one is a pretty close run, pretty proud of it, can't wait to show it to you all

[lyric grove]

Oooo, I see!
I sadly haven't gotten a lot of motivation to clear them let alone make any videos because my phone broke and I had to use a not so good one that lagged quite a bit in battles to the point where I had to switch to 1x

I'd like to get about them soon now that I have a temporary replacement (still lags a bit but I can do my usual 2x now), and maybe upload my clears onto them when I'm free

Thank you as well 😊

[boreal abyss]

i feel you, my tablet is like 7 yrs old and each time i record stuff it gets hectic, i gotta fight with even more bs other than the battle itself haha

[lyric grove]

My tablet is 4 years old. Only good for auto gauntlets

I mostly record on phone so i feel ya on the laggy bs

[boreal abyss]

count also most of the times i get notis, and that's another thing lol

twitch and yt interrupting and making my ipad freeze

[lyric grove]

LOL
i usually don't bother about those, unless its absolutely private/not something i would like to be on yt

[boreal abyss]

true

but they do mess up my runs most of the times haha

[lyric grove]

Those for me are a very minor hinderance if anything
Because usually stuff that I don't want to be shown on yt are more important than recording a run most of a time

[boreal abyss]

i see

i can't anymore resetting cuz it cannot handle a screen record 😂

[lyric grove]

Whenever I reset i also reset the recording

So it makes editing much easier

Just gotta keep a mental note and delete failed attempts every now and then

[boreal abyss]

i have to do it manually

[lyric grove]

[boreal abyss]

done ittttt

just rn

jesus christ haha

[lyric grove]

Feels good to finally get that over with

[boreal abyss]

i can upload and share

[lyric grove]

It would be nice, I would probably check it out tomorrow after I give it a bit of a go myself 😄

[boreal abyss]

seems absolutely fair, thank you for the good vibes

helped enduring this lag and screen freezes bs

[lyric grove]

No problem!

[boreal abyss]

@crude marten https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W_38lR6eGQ

[crude marten]

palmer absolutely cooked

[boreal abyss]

son learned finally his lesson and he is ready to throw hands

i really loved the initial ramping on this team

i will keep it to use for other fighting content for memes

[crude marten]

now we just need bug weak ub

[silver spruce]

Does restrain ending proc condition nullification on thorton?

[crude marten]

dahlia soon

[boreal abyss]

that's gotta be his hunting ground haha

[boreal abyss]

Imagine actually they do that

You visionary

You predicted the arrival of SC Barry in my account, so I would trust you again haha

[final yacht]

Eventually we should get all battle facility foes in the UBs

if they continue with the one a month pattern it shouldn't even take that long

[boreal abyss]

Mhm for sure

We miss the Hoenn ones now right?

As in roster

[final yacht]

7 from hoenn, 5 from sinnoh, 2 from unova, 4 from kalos, 1 from alola (masked royal, 3 if we count battle tree red and blue??), 1 from galar, and I'd say none from paldea but Nemona is on the Rally image so uh sure

We're missing 4 from Hoenn yes

[boreal abyss]

Interesting

Nemona gonna be one ye

Love to see them bosses all together

[stable tundra]

askually Paldea has no battle facility ☝️

[boreal abyss]

[final yacht]

and that sucks

[stable tundra]

indeed

[final yacht]

I want another gen 3 remake but this time with the facilities

[shrewd marten]

I did beat argenta with that so there you go

Also has anyone done nemona ub clears

[crude marten]

since shes already in the game they can easily use her for the next one

[boreal abyss]

Ludicolo Ultimate boss

[warm haven]

she stats the battle applying you grass rebuff

[boreal abyss]

Can't wait to know the next gimmick, month is very dry content wise

[spiral summit]

Yeah, very dead month

[boreal abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/jesuschrist-jesus-christ-kid-giacomopisano-gif-19088356

So many events omg 😱

[silver spruce]

Can someone help me find the right support for a thorton clear I'm trying to do?

[valid raft]

What's your team?

[silver spruce]

SS Hilbert and EX-R SS Hilda both are maxed. I just need a decent enough tank to support the two. Elaine was not cutting it with the hp recovery. I'm trying ot find a good defensive buffer that can also heal and give a modicum of speed.

[valid raft]

No SS Morty?

[silver spruce]

I have morty but the problem is Sun doesn't last long enough and its a potion mpr slog with a single mpr on the grid

That's what I'm working with.

[fast pendant]

You need aoe rebuff or restrain, if you can replace Hilbert with a special unit that cam rebuff if not use h sycamore as supp

[silver spruce]

SS Hilbert gives -2 fire rebuff on hit

I've gotten Articuno down to 60% and sides killed, but the problem is the tank can't live long enough and heal Hilda fast enough

Iono with defense buffs is sort of what I need but she doesn't give them

[fast pendant]

Are you debuffing defense?

[silver spruce]

Yup, Sundering Burn from Hilda

I might give Jasmine a try, she may be bulky enough and has potion

[warm haven]

Morty should be enough. But grusha can tank thorton too

[silver spruce]

The issue I ran into with morty is he can either keep himself alive or keep the others. Hilda is a lot less bulky than the NC Leaf clear I'm used to

Less uptime for sun also hurt

[warm haven]

Well try grusha then

[silver spruce]

I might, the flinch chance could help

[warm haven]

i've seen sc shauna tank thorton too

[silver spruce]

Shauna is the backup after Jasmine

Thanks

[fast pendant]

It sounds very weird that with morty who is quite bulky, def debuffs and atk debuff you have some trouble surviving

[warm haven]

Without spatk debuffs icy wind can be annoying so morty would need a lot of sunny day/potions mpr to heal the team

[silver spruce]

Hilda and Hilbert drop to 20% from the icy wind and earthquake the first two turns

I may just drop the clear. Probably isn’t possible

[wary hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qABKEd_gpA&ab_channel=skinny

this seems neat

[rotund oasis]

Ariana?

Hum 3/5

[lyric grove]

Ticking time bomb is hard

[shrewd marten]

That song is so dumb sounding kek

The fact oleana never touched a damaging move once that whole battle is really interesting too

[lyric grove]

I made a mistake at the end but finally

[wary hemlock]

i believe both ariana and oleana are EXR

[boreal abyss]

[boreal abyss]

The poison team looks very fun there for Palmer

[final yacht]

42 pending lucy clears

you guys are insane

[shrewd marten]

To be fair

She’s by far the easiest

And least restrictive

People are gonna throw a lot of things at the wall

[chilly dawn]

yeah isn't Lucy clears basically "So long as everyone has Antitoxin, she's about as free as any of these things can get"?

[fading walrus]

Yea

It's really embarrassing

Which is why I didn't submit anything for her

[chilly dawn]

I haven't even looked at the last three lmao

I have thorton and darach done but I couldn't get an anabel clear to work

I don't think I have enough sprint stuff for palmer

[fading walrus]

Like, on day one I entered with 1/5 Oleana+ Geeta to prove a point sure I was about to struggle

And did it first try

It was that easy

[chilly dawn]

I'd probably end up doing some malarkey with like, SS Gio/NY Lisia/Some Gauge Support

[true lagoon]

unironically as long as you dont have zone up for her sync its probably the freest clear possible

[fading walrus]

I had it up + no vigilance on any of my units

[true lagoon]

because you can constantly keep her speed negative and still do good damage with geeta

[fading walrus]

I pre second synced just with Geeta nuke

(which isn't an insane nuke at all)

Lucy is just

Very very weak

[chilly dawn]

how bad are the other two actually? Argenta and Palmer?

[fading walrus]

Argenta is pretty free

She was the easiest

Before lucy

[chilly dawn]

I mean the data would indicate darach was easier but fair

[fading walrus]

Ehhh

[chilly dawn]

grading turds never got us anywhere

[true lagoon]

argenta is easier to counter

[fading walrus]

Don't think Darach has as easily accessible teamcomps as Argenta

Because Argenta can be stalled

[true lagoon]

darach's tm is a massive annoyance

[chilly dawn]

yeah darach does kinda need rushing

[true lagoon]

no one ever tells you how annoying 6.25% healing would be on 700k hp

the answer is very

[fading walrus]

32k hp healing moment

[true lagoon]

36k

[chilly dawn]

I assume Palmer is a sight more restrictive?

[fading walrus]

Palmer is

Yeah.

[true lagoon]

most restrictive of them all

[chilly dawn]

he looked like "you have mass sprint or you lose"

[true lagoon]

imo

[chilly dawn]

bc iirc it's just a flat "can you presync"

if you cannot, you die.

[fading walrus]

No Rei? No NC Rosa? No chop? No top tier DPS trio (à la rats)? Get fucked

[stone scarab]

palmer just kinda sucks

[chilly dawn]

yeah I'm like 70% sure that you'd need one, maybe two of like, NC Hop/Rei/SSAC

[true lagoon]

nah

[stone scarab]

argenta also just kinda sucks but in the other direction

[true lagoon]

theres a high investment poison clear

[chilly dawn]

or just "lmao nc blue and rats"

[true lagoon]

but

[fading walrus]

You don't inherently need a lot of sprint units, but unless you have like

NC red, tbolt, ssgladion perfect team, poison perfect team

He's ..ass

[true lagoon]

i doubt anyone has 5/5 oleana or 3/5 ariana here

[chilly dawn]

which I think stands as an overkill answer to every single thing in the game so far

[fading walrus]

NC blue Vs palmer

Is actually

Not a great matchup

[chilly dawn]

like has there been any content that NC Blue/SSTR/Ash doesn't clear handily

[true lagoon]

palmer

cuz nc blue is replaced by chase

[fading walrus]

Not as good as NC blue versus any other UB at least

^