My one and only Blue grid
#Champion Stadium
rotund lagoon
mellow linden
Was just about to post something similar
rotund lagoon
sharp willow
yeah my grid is the exact same lmao
mellow linden
Wise Entry x3 be like
nocturne pawn
double fucking flinch
oh wait its the extra effects round
i shouldve expected that
still dumb as fuck though
verbal karma
damn, even with the suggestions given to me, Blue does too little damage even with his main DPS move
lunar meadow
I thought steel weak Bertha has physical reduction
Shouldn't Duraludon be a beast?
plush tangle
Wise Entry x3 be like
wtf i didnt know sides had that 
sharp willow
bertha is wise entry x3 sides
mellow linden
damn, even with the suggestions given to me, Blue does too little damage even wi...
Are you making sure to max his offenses? Is he using Hurricane under Flying Zone?
verbal karma
yeah
mellow linden
And about how much damage is being dealt with those Hurricanes?
verbal karma
hold on, I'd need to load up the stage again
nocturne pawn
I thought steel weak Bertha has physical reduction
Shouldn't Duraludon be a bea...
the sides have wise entry x3 but if i can get cakewalk he almost one shots anyway
problem is that i cant get blue to survive 2 high horsepowers in a row
manic kiln
1st sync - hurricane mid - hurricane side
nocturne pawn
which is really fuckingn annoying
verbal karma
And about how much damage is being dealt with those Hurricanes?
5k-5.5k damage before Anni Skyla syncs, 7k after she syncs
and Anni Skyla's sync does, like, 13k damage
Lucian is left with a sliver of health
manic kiln
13k sync is probably non crit, skyla should do 20k+
verbal karma
well, it was a crit
mellow linden
Theirs is 2/5, if that makes a difference
verbal karma
^
mellow linden
Probably too many bulk-increasing parameters, I’d bet making a couple swaps would fix it all right up
manic kiln
yeah i used mostly offensive parameters, str 12, atk 150, poh 3... and other basic stuffs
no def no hp
manic kiln
my 1/5 skyla did like 21k on second sync
Yep
oops no number, that was 21k too
but hurricane almost clear him
nocturne pawn
wow blue absolutely destroyed
25k with one sync buff
and cynthia with infinite field gets completely trolled
lucas and ss acerola
steel kelp
Classic chanpion being the least threatening part of the week
sharp willow
Indeed
nocturne pawn
r3 bertha was probably dumb
north crown
and cynthia with infinite field gets completely trolled
SSMorty, Zinnia, and Lucas menacingly approaching Cynthia, JoJo style:
nocturne pawn
Oh. Gross.
You mean dragon Zinnia
why would it be flareon
ss morty already has sun
lunar meadow
why would it be flareon
More sun 🤷🏻♂️
I dunno, I think zinnia and Rayquaza is one of the worst units, so I don't think about it much
nocturne pawn
theres definitely worse but ok
sharp willow
i mean she isn't great, but i feel like you're underrating her
this dragon weak stage kinda seems to want you to use her as a main damage dealer with the gimmick
lunar meadow
She's a lot better now because we have supports that enable her.
Mo-Oh, Excadrill, Suicune, etc help her a lot. But she still feels like she needs a lot for low payoff.
steel kelp
Who needs to change weather when Cynthia has paper defenses
lunar meadow
Whereas Palkia... Is damage. Done.
nocturne pawn
Who needs to change weather when Cynthia has paper defenses
special damage dealers
she has essentially wise entry x2 in sand
and i think surging sand too
lunar meadow
Like Zinnia and Rayquaza, who has special attack
sharp willow
surging sand and 50% extra spdef in sand
so not quite as bad as wise entry x2 but still bad enough to encourage changing it
or using like
huh, we didnt really have many physical dragons prior to CNate
verbal karma
Okay, so how can I improve my parameters?
steel kelp
Cnate and ciris were very funny
steel kelp
Especially with perma field
nocturne pawn
and sync twice
verbal karma
Kinda too scared to replace Def ^1 and Max HP ^2 with Atk ^5 tbh
nocturne pawn
Kinda too scared to replace Def ^1 and Max HP ^2 with Atk ^5 tbh
if your tank is good then you dont have to be scared
what team are you using
falkner aSkyla blue?
verbal karma
what team are you using
SC Jasmine/Anni Skyla/Blue
verbal karma
Thing is: SC Jasmine already loses more than half of her HP to one single Drain Punch
and I haven't even changed the parameters yet
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sharp willow
her job is mostly to just finish off the buffs on that team
nocturne pawn
i mean really just reset until he doesnt use it early
sharp willow
but yeah, resetting for early psybeam instead sounds like the play
nocturne pawn
id try a turbo strat instead honestly
cuz blue has a good nuke and demands first sync
sharp willow
i think the big issue is they dont have Blue EX
i seem to remember that being the case
nocturne pawn
i mean ex blue shouldnt be a huge deal
sharp willow
with that team it kinda is
nocturne pawn
hurricane should be close to one shotting anyway
nocturne pawn
with that team it kinda is
wait are they syncing with skyla first
sharp willow
no
but EXless blue is just a bit weaker in general and also if Lucian gets to the sync he is 100% dead
verbal karma
^
mellow linden
He bulk
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nocturne pawn
186 is pretty decent
nocturne pawn
oh you mean lucian
rich needle
sharp willow
Yeah he's highest HP on a CS stage
north crown
She's a lot better now because we have supports that enable her.
Mo-Oh, Excadri...
She wipes out 1/4 of a CS stage's health with max offensive buffs + weather + dragon zone, and that's just her Draco Meteor DPS. Don't slouch on her potential! 
blazing peak
i don't need more rock types i have dogs
brave halo
huh, we didnt really have many physical dragons prior to CNate
So trying to figure out just real quick for next week, who looks better for support, burgh or tina?
nocturne pawn
So trying to figure out just real quick for next week, who looks better for supp...
plumeria needs a crit support
brave halo
Both can buff crit
nocturne pawn
is this low budget
plush tangle
I was trying CS without EX units lol
flying type wise I don't have much
MC is tech kang
nocturne pawn
I was trying CS without EX units lol
yeah i was gonna say why not supp ex
brave halo
Wait actually I gotta stick to burgh
plush tangle
denying side with kahili nuke is a common strategy with kahili
brave halo
I forgot cynthia buffs her evasion
plush tangle
but lucian is too bulky lol
nocturne pawn
I forgot cynthia buffs her evasion
huh?
brave halo
It'll happen
nocturne pawn
i mean plumeria with supp ex and inertia should get close to killing
and zone
like i dont use her myself but you might be underestimating her
silver dirge
but lucian is too bulky lol
Oh Lucian has higher than regular HP 
I was trying off type 4k points and the damn gallade just wouldn't die
nocturne pawn
Oh Lucian has higher than regular HP <:PrycePain:971377771987206154> I was tryin...
its 28k
highest base hp of any cs stage
mellow linden
Yeah, Plumeria Sync under Zone should do a lot of work and Fall Iris Hyper Beams should handle the rest
plush tangle
highest base hp yeah
silver dirge
Ah I forgot it was Lucian with that
mellow linden
And that’s not even factoring the bits of Sludge Wave damage from Plumeria
nocturne pawn
evasive rush 3 is after sync yeah
like honestly you're underestimating her nuke potential
not to mention 60% flinch with smog
so worst comes to worst you can turn deny with her for extra turns
mellow linden
Proper triple queue combined with quadqueue/Sync accel/turn denial can ensure 2 Syncs before the opponent can even Sync once, unless you gave them -Sync Countdown parameters (which you shouldn’t do), they have Head Start (which is only Steel weak Bertha), or it’s a half-Sync round (which while possible is unlikely to happen for the Champion fight)
So 1 EX Support Sync + 1 Plumeria Sync or just 2 Plumeria Syncs
The biggest issue I’d forsee with the current team is no reliable status infliction for Healthy Advantage, but that can be remedied via doing resets until Fall Iris gets a passive trigger on Acid for her 2nd turn
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sharp willow
She has a passive
sharp willow
Yeah, its not great
nocturne pawn
the bigger roadblock for that team is just resetting for poison procs
i cant see a lack of damage unless you misplay really hard
brave halo
I'll hope it works, I know I have oleana and emma but I wanted to both try with plumeria and also give fall iris some spotlight time cause she's always nerfed by special reduction
blazing peak
nerfed ?
mellow linden
I assume they mean that they usually use Fall Iris + a physical Poison damage-dealer and run Special Damage Reduction 8
brave halo
Yeah that
Oleana, emma, and fall iris can be devastating
But I always feel bad for iris so this time wanted to give it time in the spotlight
rich needle
No cap ss diantha feels like crap without extension
I don’t enjoy using her
It’s like
Ew
Also guess how many times sandstorm refreshed
brave halo
I had no issue with using diantha this week
left storm
No cap ss diantha feels like crap without extension
Yeah her rotations are shit in long fights
In csmm she nukes stage in one cycle tjo
So no biggie
rich needle
Does not use presync params unless absolutely forced to
Is therefore fucked
Huh idk how I did that thing
That’s crazy
also ew i had to presync bertha
to preserve my ontype streak
sharp willow
thats the > followed by a space for the thing
rich needle
ooh
sick inlet
Idk if i am getting worse or dang i am having a hard time duo-ing Sinnoh 3k
nocturne pawn
i think this week in particular just sucks
bertha and aaron are very annoying for some reason
and lucian has fatass hp
rich needle
They are a bit harder I think
However
guys come here #1185097439179448361 to see how lisia is totally hard carrying this
also legitamately the fact she cant REMOVE weather is so ass
dense birch
i wanted to use lisia until i found out defog does not remove weather
which is big sadge
i wanted to do like. sycamore lisia drasna
drasna doesn't need gauge, so i wanted to try mega altaria originally haha
grave wyvern
Drasna can clear while the sand is up, it just might take some resets
(You'll want 3/5 though)
sharp willow
unfortunately removing weather effects without like, replacing them with another is an exclusively Anni Steven effect
nothing even in the main games does that to my knowledge
brave halo
i think this week in particular just sucks
Nah it's just sinnoh cs in general
trail smelt
The hard trio be like
dense birch
Drasna can clear while the sand is up, it just might take some resets
Yeah i figured it was easier to slot in winona and flinch support after rain haha
brave halo
nothing even in the main games does that to my knowledge
Air lock? Cloud nine?
sharp willow
those negate the effect, not actually remove the weather
if you switch out while the weather condition is still ongoing the effect starts back up again
rich needle
Then why put that condition on her tech
It’s so
Why
Her damage was surprisingly ok in spite of that but still
sharp willow
because i guess they thought it'd be neat with defogs effect to remove terrain and didnt consider the stuff it isn't able to
grave wyvern
Yeah i figured it was easier to slot in winona and flinch support after rain hah...
Definitely - doesn't help that Sp damage is reduced by 50% when the sand is up
Not that it mattered 
zealous karma
Definitely - doesn't help that Sp damage is reduced by 50% when the sand is up ...
Wait does sandstorm still do that in poma as well I didn’t know that
rich needle
try having not level 1
also frfr lisias dps is like not horrible
like dragon pulse kinda nice
not amazingly nice
but not bad
zealous karma
Ohh
rotund lagoon
3k is heavily team reliant. You can start with the 2.5k, then look over our small list of tips for 3k in the pins.
oblique stag
I have really good units
rotund lagoon
That does not matter if you do not have good parameters or do not use them properly.
oblique stag
Ok
crystal notch
What's status change again?
Acute Senses 4 on Aaron, for context
Is it conditions or interference
Or just conditions
crystal notch
Alright thanks
paper summit
or not, Gradual Healing already shuts it down anyway
paper summit
yeah, but if someone for some reason doesn't use that param then the interference is something to keep in mind
crystal notch
Who'd prefer offtype irida ghetsis r4? Aaron or Flint?
I'm thinking Aaron, since he wants weather anyways
paper summit
Flint has Wise Entry x2, so yeah...
crystal notch
Oh wait flint has wise entry x3
X2
Lmao just looked at his pomatools kit
Thanks
Was thinking of doing ss acerola mayziken sneasel shenanigans on flint
But that's probably a bad idea?
Since flint abuses sun too
rich needle
Just reroll till you kill before he flare blitz
crystal notch
Lmao
rotund lagoon
Does solgaleo bypass pdr 8?
Does not.
A while ago, Piercing Blows and moves with similar effects did go through them, but that was a bug. It has been fixed tho
rich needle
whats pdr
rotund lagoon
Probably Physical Damage Reduction 8
daring osprey
Wow why is this week so- hard??
swift swan
more obscure types, a lot of gimmicks
daring osprey
Rock and ground one of my worst lacking in types and actually built mons great
My stall team donate ven work because for one flint has sun and Aaron has heal
swift swan
yeah you gotta change the weather with flint. Olivia works fine, though. Just get Acerola to change the weather and to set up sand for Olivia's multipliers
undone ether
For the ground weak Aaron, Bertha's a good counter as well if you're gonna be using Acerola on Flint
rich needle
Tbh this week feels harder than normal even by these standards
grave wyvern
I think it's because of the typing, there's a lot of crossover with pairs
Like if you depend on Zerena for both Dragon and Ground, you're stuffed
dark osprey
All 5 physical stages this time right?
grave wyvern
(Also Bertha and her goddamn HS1 
)
undone ether
Lucian spams special attack stuff
dark osprey
The biggest confusion is for Rose.
dark osprey
Lucian spams special attack stuff
Ah yeah. The occasional psybeams I guess
undone ether
Flint is fine, but the sides have Wise Entry x2
grave wyvern
Tbh most of the premium rocks are physical, shouldn't be too big of a deal
rich needle
i think they also just have hard gimmicks
dark osprey
I thought flint all have wise entry
undone ether
i cleared Lucian on R4 with Blue
dark osprey
Yeah. There's like 3 weather changes required kinda
dark osprey
Just curious if 3/5+ Kimono Grimsley non EX can first sync OHKO Bertha with kinda decent parameters. Anyone tried it out?
manic mica
Are pins hidden in discord mobile for this thread?
silver dirge
It's under channel settings
manic mica
Ah thanks
crystal notch
Does rain cut fire damage in half/sunny cut water damage in half?
Want to slot ss morty with palkia for cynthia
silver dirge
Does rain cut fire damage in half/sunny cut water damage in half?
No
crystal notch
Just curious if 3/5+ Kimono Grimsley non EX can first sync OHKO Bertha with kind...
Depends on what you mean by decent parameters
dark osprey
Depends on what you mean by decent parameters
With EX and even the standard pre sync parameters he can comfortably. Just curious if possible without the EX.
crystal notch
I tried with 4/5 grimsley, and he couldn't deal with Bertha pre sync with support ex buff + his metal burst revenge
Maybe it could work if you rng for flinch and nuke
But this is 3k params so...eh
old orchid
Without turn denial or sync accel or beeg numbers you can't pre sync Bertha normally
crystal notch
Yeah exactly
crystal notch
I tried with 4/5 grimsley, and he couldn't deal with Bertha pre sync with suppor...
I was stuck trying for 2 hours before dropping grimsley completely
This is on me for not being familiar with Bertha sinnoh tho
old orchid
KGrimsley being Ground weak hurts f random EQs
crystal notch
Yeah EQ kills him
dark osprey
Ah. Didn't get the random earthquakes on the first three moves
But guess can try with like a wide guard user
silver dirge
Hmm I feel like one metal burst + sync from grimsley should be able to clear mid, granted it's a well powered one and maybe would require EX 
And of course not too much bulk on that Rypherior
old orchid
EX Krimsley makes Bertha a cakewalk tbh
silver dirge
EX Krimsley makes Bertha a cakewalk tbh
An Insult to Injury you mean? 
crystal notch
Ig the issue with non-EX grimsley is timing, you need to sync and do the metal burst in a fairly tight squeeze (and if you get EQd any time before that, oof)
Probably could have been done with enough rng, I resetted for 2 hours and called it a day though
silver dirge
Damn I was relentless
Ah, I was Grassy Terrain: S-Moves ⬆️ 5
old orchid
crystal notch
Anyways is Lucian doable with og PBd zinnia
swift swan
worth a try
tulip python
Bertha is crushing my soul; gotten super close with various off types
swift swan
but I'd just do Blue ngl
crystal notch
I feel like the answer is no, given I tried it out and she just deals...5k damage?
Lmao
tulip python
But granny doesn’t go down easy
swift swan
zinnia wants weather
silver dirge
She can probably handle it, but if you have 3+/5 Blue he's much better
Zinnia is clunky and would require weather & an off-type sync
crystal notch
Yeah think that's her biggest issue
Off type sync for mega
And her grid has no ascent boosts
silver dirge
Dragon Ascent wasn't part of her kit before Mega, and her PB was the Mega itself so she got no grid expansion 
Even though she desparately needs it
crystal notch
She definitely needs it, poor girl
keen jasper
But but- She already has an alt that already makes her the strongest sync nuker ever
crystal notch
But but- She already has an alt that already makes her the strongest sync nuker ...
Locked behind 3/5
old orchid
I don't recall Zinnia having a Greninja
crystal notch
I tried using her to offtype Flint at 1/5 EX and she wasn't working
crystal notch
~~I don't recall Zinnia having a Greninja~~
dark osprey
Guess to minimize rng with Grimsley would need sleep. This was a bit of rng. The misses were due to evasion I guess
tulip python
Even chairman Rose didn’t cut it against Bertha, and he does physical
Hmm… if I offtype Bertha with dragon nate, will Dragon Cynthia still die to Zygarde with Dialga
crystal notch
I would be more worried if that team didn't clear
Even f2p palkia could clear with a weather setter
silver dirge
Even chairman Rose didn’t cut it against Bertha, and he does physical
Rose shouldn't struggle against Bertha in the slightest, most definitely a parameter issue
silver dirge
Hmm… if I offtype Bertha with dragon nate, will Dragon Cynthia still die to Zyga...
Of course, either of the two would be enough and you've got both
keen jasper
Hmm… if I offtype Bertha with dragon nate, will Dragon Cynthia still die to Zyga...
Those two will make easy work of dragon-weak Cynthia
dense birch
How do these teams look for next week’s CS? Planning for around 2k. Off comp for Aaron in case Endurance proves too much of a pain to handle
I got a 2/5 non-EX Looker I can use alongside Drasna for more conventional damage comps instead of poison stall if it doesn’t work out
i can also do 2/5 non-EX Hala for Bertha instead (maybe Hop + Hala + maybe eggmon farfetch'd for speed/def buff)
old orchid
Bertha demands weather changer
old orchid
Do you have Lucian? Better focusing on Caitlin because Giovanni doesn't have spatk buffs on this comp
dense birch
no i don't have Lucian
old orchid
Oh 2k pts so its passable, but I still recommend a spdef debuffer instead of Giovanni
Cynthia has Wise Entry x2 as well so Drasna might struggle there. And aim for pre sync because Cynthia will buff her evasion by 3 upon her first sync
dense birch
hmmm. maybe Looker is the way to go then, if i want to do the damage route
old orchid
Oh 2k pts so its passable, but I still recommend a spdef debuffer instead of Gio...
Or a Psychic Terrain setter
dense birch
i'm thinking Sycamore should be sufficient as the tank, as Togekiss is pretty much entirely special, and i shouldn't need to worry about evasion once the poison lands
toxic cobalt
Worst comes to worst you can stall Cynthia, it's the other four that are concerning
dense birch
how about eggmon espeon? lol
toxic cobalt
oh right. maybe a hail unit over roxanne then
I would really use Roxanne, eg: #1011675077764456519 message
You need the spatk buffs and SS Blue is not providing those
dense birch
does roxanne need to be 5*?
toxic cobalt
Really depends on who the third teammate is
dense birch
i'm just worried she's not tanky enough
roxanne, candice, ghetsis
even for hoenn dailies, she takes so much damage haha
toxic cobalt
Roxanne is not that tanky, but if you grid her for endurance you might also get a lucky freeze off candice
If not Roxanne, you need another spatck buffer
(Spatk and speed is just so useful 
)
dense birch
i agree
toxic cobalt
I did not for example get rid of weather, I just kept Bertha asleep as much as possible
dense birch
i don't have bianca sadly
toxic cobalt
What is Caitlin for in the Flint team?
old orchid
Dmg dealer
toxic cobalt
Oh?
old orchid
Aurochs... She is viable now!!!!
dense birch
yea originally i was planning to run both gio and caitlin, caitlin can use freebie so she's not as gauge hungry
silver dirge
Oh this is for next week 
dense birch
yeh
toxic cobalt
Okay well NC Rosa will sing everyone so you don't need two damage dealers
Can't remember Lucian well but feels hard to lose with that team
toxic cobalt
Well you'll be nuking with Masked Royale right?
dense birch
oh wait lucian, not flint
yes. i am planning to nuke with royale
cerena is just more brutal swings
dense birch
i think worst comes to worst, i can maybe offtype aaron with sst red, then use ss red sun for bertha offtype
yeah enduring might be a pain for such a glass cannon comp
toxic cobalt
Endure messes up all my queues
toxic cobalt
Well the main issue is you're relying on My Destiny which is ouch
dense birch
yeah i think one heracross sync, and he's pretty much dead haha
dense birch
my destiny lol
for other options i've got sabrina, lillie, liza, torchic, falkner/swellow
toxic cobalt
Is Torchic 3/5?
dense birch
1/5 but i got candies
toxic cobalt
What move level is Sabrina?
dense birch
2/5
toxic cobalt
She is quite good, but she is a bit weak defensively
toxic cobalt
EX support is EX support. She's more a spdef tank though and Aaron is physical.
dense birch
yeah
toxic cobalt
I would suggest Winona over Candice as her disruption is more reliable, but that doesn't help Aaron battle
dense birch
2/5 Hilda/Emboar no-EX, plus 2/5 Sonia/Yamper. then either keep Blaine, or can run someone else
toxic cobalt
I mean you could always do what I did and run Silver
dense birch
if i'm going to run silver, i feel like i might as well run ss red anyway?
toxic cobalt
Only if you have a support that can give the spatk buffs
Aaron is bulky and he heals
dense birch
oh i see. use silver as a physical attacker instead
i always thought he was spatk for some reason
dense birch
that said, my silver is not EX
toxic cobalt
That's okay the sides are weak
dense birch
yeah hilbert is with that ss red comp purely for enabling haymaker
toxic cobalt
Haymaker is good but you'll need 2 perfect quadqueues
and then somehow deal with the endurance(?)
dense birch
so if say i did sonia, silver, and...blaine?
toxic cobalt
Oh Elaine is v good
dense birch
elaine can also be a crit buffer. comp just lacks speed, but sonia using potion grants mga iirc
toxic cobalt
Just get lucky and hope Elaine chooses flinch
Sonia also boosts team speed when hit
dense birch
cool. will try this team then
if the bertha team proves to be too frustrating, i might try the ss red team against bertha
hopefully it won't lol
silver dirge
The page isn't loading for me, can someone confirm if all 3 of Bertha, Lucian and Aaron have the highest base HP for CS stages? I'm trying something a little wack and they're insanely bulky
undone ether
They are at 28.900 hp
silver dirge
All 3 of them? Wb Flint?
silver dirge
Alright thanks
paper summit
you people and your silly themes, smh
silver dirge
paper summit
go full hp and strength on all of them for 200k+ HP goodness
undone ether
The combinations of 28k hp is just kinda bad as well for kalos
With Diantha getting 28.9k
silver dirge
I am at 4k points so that's all HP, all strength and all offense
paper summit
have fun with Bertha
silver dirge
She's the most annoying one fr
And Sinnoh demands weather changes for so many stages
paper summit
it's funny how much a simple HS1 can disrupt things
silver dirge
Truly
paper summit
for us it's whatever on its own, for the enemy it's a lot
silver dirge
Can't wait til enemies start triple queuing in Galar CS 
trail smelt
Pfft
paper summit
imagine if they ever make a CS stage like Gio's story one, man has HS6
trail smelt
Enemies start quad queuing
undone ether
I feel like paldea cs will do Rebuff on you .-.
silver dirge
imagine if they ever make a CS stage like Gio's story one, man has HS6 <:WEEZing...
75% of the player base just won't be able to get the medal
paper summit
I feel like paldea cs will do Rebuff on you .-.
rebuff and circles are likely gimmicks for that one, maybe Galar will have those too, plus max moves shenanigans
cedar flume
Yeaa tough 15k but i pushed thru 🥳🥳 never taking on Sinnoh w/o Pomatools again, i learned my lesson
lean lion
Would 1/5 Bertha + Courtney work better for Aaron that trying to offtype with Cerena? Can't get past 1.6k with Cerena
silver dirge
What move level is Cerena? And the team you're using with her?
lean lion
1/5, Skyla and Winona
I know I'm not maxing out Cerena's sp atk but I don't have another built support that I don't need elsewhere
swift swan
hmm yeah, I'd run dual damage dealer if it's a 1/5 Cerena
silver dirge
Do you have May?
silver dirge
1/5 Courtney and Bertha is going to be pretty rough too
It's master mode right, not hard mode?
silver dirge
What's the team?
verbal karma
Acerola/Naomi/SS Blue
silver dirge
Naomi desperately needs sand to do anything, which works great to disable Aaron's Clear Power Up 5
She also needs a special support to set her up
dense birch
acerola is sand ig
silver dirge
Ah you're right, I thought they meant SS Acerola
My bad, just replace SS Blue with a more dedicated special support
old orchid
I am at 4k points <:MinaBreak:1103286730762760302> so that's all HP, all strengt...
go for defense params too!
verbal karma
My bad, just replace SS Blue with a more dedicated special support
like whom?
old orchid
try to think
verbal karma
well, I'd need one who can still buff Crit
so my options are limited
...oh no...my alternative to SS Blue takes even MORE damage from things
...damn, is Lyra a bad choice?
because I really really REALLY do NOT want to waste a Sandstorm on turn 1
undone ether
Aaron will hit hard if there's no weather.
actually the sides will also hit hard if there's no weather
manic kiln
again you restricted yourself with team building
bertha is better than both naomi and acerola, pair her with courtney, 1/5 is enough for zone and debuff, and she can clear sides when bertha nuke mid, ssblue is fine as a support
Didn’t bother changing bettha lucky skill, she still has vigilance
verbal karma
again you restricted yourself with team building
bertha is better than both naom...
I...sadly already used Bertha elsewhere
undone ether
against Flint huh?
verbal karma
yeah
verbal karma
yeah
manic kiln
what other supports do you still have, naomi takes too long to setup
acerola is not helping much other than sand and flinch and you need damage
so yeah probably have to change support
just remember to save bertha next time for ground stage, naomi is not that great when you have other options
undone ether
what other supports do you still have, naomi takes too long to setup
acerola is ...
they've got a 3/5 Anni Raihan
jagged void
How do I build teams for champion stadium (for the first time)?
old orchid
You should aim to use many types possible to fill the type medal out
You can post your roster by using tracker site, and we can help you with planning
+tracker
frozen depotBOT
Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button
old orchid
Don't forget to look into this channel pins, there are many resources there
jagged void
I’ll fill that in later. Probably gonna try level up different types.
dense birch
or level once you figured out your teams
jagged void
Well yeah, I guess that’s better.
verbal karma
hmm...any suggestions on on-type teams I could build for R4 Aaron?
silver dirge
Why does the image include units you don't have
verbal karma
...oh, whoops
undone ether
i'd divide it by role as well, and for filter "Have"
silver dirge
Yea show separators & filter it, much easier to look through
verbal karma
like this, right?
undone ether
Bertha is used for Flint already xd
verbal karma
yeah, what rei said
silver dirge
Is SS Brendan available?
verbal karma
hmmmmmmmm...technically, yes...though I was hoping to use him for R5 Cynthia
alongside, like, a Special Attack dragon-type sync pair
silver dirge
SS Serena and/or Lucas are self sufficient and will require Brendan a lot less than Naomi + Acerola, she could use the help
undone ether
I tihnk you can run SS Acerola with those 2 against Cynthia 😮
undone ether
infinite grass terrain and sun is just... great for Godcerola o/
lunar meadow
Most of the Tapus and Toxtricities 😉
verbal karma
I tihnk you can run SS Acerola with those 2 against Cynthia 😮
wait, isn't SS Acerola physical support, though?
Zerena and Lucas want special
silver dirge
She is, yeah but they're both self sufficient so she can just be there to remove the weather
undone ether
maxes out their attacks
verbal karma
okay, so SS Brendan, Acerola and Naomi for R4 Aaron, yes?
verbal karma
oh no
SS Brendan has the same problem as Lyra: dying too fast
even WITH Sandstorm on
swift swan
Aaron is physical and SS Brendan doesn't buff defense quickly. If Aaron spams strong moves, reset
Since you have Acerola, it's worth trying to flinch some moves
verbal karma
Aaron is physical and SS Brendan doesn't buff defense quickly. If Aaron spams st...
would you consider Feint Attack "strong"?
because SS Brendan loses more than half of his health to it
same with the side's Poison Jab
basically, EVERYTHING hits too hard
formal vigil
Well that one of Aaron weaker moves
crystal notch
Sounds like a parameter issue
verbal karma
well, I changed parameters now, and while Feint Attack does less damage now, Poison Jab still does more than 50%
old orchid
grid Team Tough Luck and make sure weather is always up
verbal karma
...oh...but the latter requires me to waste a Sandstorm on turn 1
and I am still trying to avoid doing that
hazy tusk
It's not wasting if it's literally helping you survive
silver dirge
If you don't enable weather and get hit turn 1, that's powered up with Clear Power Up 5
That's why Brendan is taking too much damage
old orchid
SS Brendan has Adrenaline to mitigate the need of quad queue
verbal karma
It's not wasting if it's literally helping you survive
it is wasting if it's a sandstorm I could have used to power up Naomi's sync
hazy tusk
You won't sync if you're dead
silver dirge
it is wasting if it's a sandstorm I could have used to power up Naomi's sync
Grid Acerola for MPR on Sandstorm
old orchid
verbal karma
Grid Acerola for MPR on Sandstorm
I actually did
and so far, the MPR has never happened
old orchid
then just try again
silver dirge
It's 30% it'll happen eventually
hazy tusk
40%, actually
This is heaven if you have ever LGed
silver dirge
Ah, MPR2 is for TM then?
old orchid
so true
silver dirge
Right yea
verbal karma
...shit, even with Sandstorm on, SS Brendan just...dies to Crunch
silver dirge
Do you have Team Tough Luck gridded?
rich needle
Wot stage we talkin rn
old orchid
Aaron
verbal karma
Do you have Team Tough Luck gridded?
nope, and...I don't think I can grid it either
rich needle
Gg no re
mellow linden
I assume that Bertha is not available here?
verbal karma
I assume that Bertha is not available here?
nope, already used her
silver dirge
nope, and...I don't think I can grid it either
You definitely can, we're trying to make progress & be more open to solutions, remember?
verbal karma
yes, I remember
but sadly, I can't find any grid I can remove in favor of Team Tough Luck
silver dirge
Alright, show me your current grid
old orchid
its not really hard to figure the ideal grid
verbal karma
Alright, show me your current grid
verbal karma
oh
silver dirge
Yeah you don't need the upper right quadrant
verbal karma
alright, copied Gaken's grid
SHIT
I can beat the middle now
but now the sides are killing me
and sadly, Team Tough Luck doesn't really help here...mainly because it almost never activates
old orchid
then just try again
old orchid
wait until you have the mood for it
silver dirge
Can always come back & try later, we're offering you the best advice we can given your viable options. Not much else to be done on our side
manic kiln
well there's another option but you're not gonna like it, clear with 0 points, reset, change the team, save bertha for this
or just offtype this time
naomi is ok if you don't have any ground type but she needs heavy supports, and with no ex dealing with sides is a chore, so keep that in mind, this stage will return in 2 weeks
verbal karma
you're right, I really am not going to like this
both because it involves a reset AND because it requires me to replace Bertha in my Olivia team
manic kiln
but like you're wasting enough time resetting so might as well start over
you can use acerola in the olivia team
verbal karma
not really
old orchid
verbal karma
<:WallaceThisIsFine:1191404991529881630>
I mean, I am talking from personal experience here
verbal karma
and you don't like it either
yup, ALSO from personal experience
and that was back when doing off-typing was easier
ya know, due to the smaller points requirement
old orchid
the never ending stubborness 
verbal karma
is it so wrong to rely on personal experience, though?
old orchid
resetting over is faster than keep trying
verbal karma
maybe, but like I said, I wouldn't remove Bertha from the Olivia team regardless
so I dunno how a reset would help
old orchid
then keep torturing yourself we are giving good advice for nothing
verbal karma
I actually tried it with Acerola before
manic kiln
flinch is useful for that stage too
verbal karma
and I just couldn't do it
I really did need the Stealth Rock to make it beatable for me
old orchid
manic kiln
i pretty sure olivia nuke is enough to wipe everything
hazy tusk
That's the first I've heard of Stealth Rock actually being useful for anything
silver dirge
Stealth Rock? Don't they have Rock DF reduction 9 or something
verbal karma
only the mid does
manic kiln
what was that team anyway, olivia bertha and who
verbal karma
the sides melt from Stealth Rock
verbal karma
what was that team anyway, olivia bertha and who
I think I used Roxanne by accident, but only because I forgot to replace her with someone else
sharp willow
you mean the sides that Olivia can AOE sync to death, yes?
rotund lagoon
My advice: plan your teams beforehand 
verbal karma
I mean, I did plan my team beforehand
I thought Acerola + Naomi would be enough for Aaron
old orchid
then explain why Roxanne was there
verbal karma
after all, it's just Aaron
silver dirge
I think I used Roxanne by accident, but only because I forgot to replace her wit...
So Olivia spends at least 3 turns buffing for +4 attack and +3 crit, assuming TSE from Bertha? With a good physical support you'd be able to get more turns of damage in
rotund lagoon
And also more people need to just do Hard mode with those teams, reset, then do Master.
verbal karma
then explain why Roxanne was there
again, forgot to replace her
verbal karma
So Olivia spends at least 3 turns buffing for +4 attack and +3 crit, assuming TS...
yeah, Bertha has TSE
hazy tusk
after all, it's just Aaron
Where's that Aaron gif with him full healing
manic kiln
well most people find aaron annoying
old orchid
again, forgot to replace her
ah yes the personal experience
any physical support is better than her
manic kiln
and i already said naomi is not exactly great, 2.5k is fine but 3k is really pushing her without premium supports
verbal karma
even with premium supports, 3k seems to be really pushing her 😦
manic kiln
with a few SMUN she can do a lot better
verbal karma
...actually, I don't know if Bertha would even solve the problem I have now
because the problem I have right now is that the sides...pretty much insta-kill Naomi
manic kiln
bertha and courtney
old orchid
like Lost said earlier, Bertha and Courtney yeah
manic kiln
courtney will clear the sides
verbal karma
...
manic kiln
and ground zone
verbal karma
damn, I really don't want to do a 0pts run on that stage just to be able to reset
hazy tusk
Bertha has team defenses right
sharp willow
yes
verbal karma
why didn't DeNa give us the ability to reset whenever?
manic kiln
then do 1k points whatever
resetting 1 stage would be helpful like high score
but i doubt they'll do it
verbal karma
hmm...hold on
lunar meadow
"optimize" 3k was fun.
It made me use my 1/5 jirachi and use Flygon as damage haha
verbal karma
I think I know how to salvage this
I just need to get rid of, like, 250-500 points
that way, I can at least reach 14.5k total points
hazy tusk
"optimize" 3k was fun.
It made me use my 1/5 jirachi and use Flygon as damage h...
I do wanna try that one day but I'm scared it'll make me use Ramos or something
verbal karma
which is my actual end goal
manic kiln
i was about to suggest nrosa but you don't have her exed so
but reducing points is good too
lunar meadow
I do wanna try that one day but I'm scared it'll make me use Ramos or something
Wayyyy long ago it kept giving me:
Serperior, Cryogonal, and Lycanroc
For rock-weak fights... Which were mostly flying type enemy nukes, who would kill Serperior.
I couldn't set sand for Lycanroc or buff it offensively. I couldn't defense buff Serperior. It was pain.
It gave Cryogonal for ancient power... Over my other relevant pokemon
sharp willow
I should see what optimise wants me to do for these ngl
lunar meadow
||I'm still not over the annoying change to the trainer icons not showing sync color anymore...||
sharp willow
Hm. Not a fan of half of these ngl.
sharp willow
The flying one is good
lunar meadow
Hm. Not a fan of half of these ngl.
You need to do the fights so it doesn't recommend the same people multiple times
sharp willow
And im ok with the steel one
sharp willow
You need to do the fights so it doesn't recommend the same people multiple times
I'm aware, this is just what it gave the first time around that I wanted to check
Don't have time to actually do this rn
sharp willow
Thousand Waves gaming
Id probably just ditch standard reduction and use Shadow Ball and Zerenas nuke
hazy tusk
Wayyyy long ago it kept giving me:
Serperior, Cryogonal, and Lycanroc
For rock-...
It just loves Pokestar Studios I guess
hazy tusk
||I'm still not over the annoying change to the trainer icons not showing sync c...
Why did you have to make me remember better days
hazy tusk
Hm. Not a fan of half of these ngl.
It really loves Rosa 
lunar meadow
It really loves Rosa <:RosaThink:815426654955503627>
Couldn't be me.
Give me Zapdos on every single fight.
rich needle
why does it give you only rosa and not blue
sharp willow
Because the game judges rosa as my strongest support for whatever reason
verbal karma
yup, reducing points helped
sharp willow
ok removing raihan from play makes my flint recommendation so much better oml
sharp willow
istg its like this houndoom actually has aggravation as a passive, it's been that consistent with flinching me in optimise runs
silver dirge
istg its like this houndoom actually has aggravation as a passive, it's been tha...
It's not R3 is it?
sharp willow
Oh
sick inlet
Mf flinches you regardless of the round
sharp willow
What I get for not paying attention to round parameters lmao
silver dirge
I don't pay attention to them either then complain when the shield expires so I can't quadqueue
sharp willow
I just reset until it started using flamethrower and I got it eventually
sick inlet
Watch it gurantee burn
sharp willow
i do love how i struggled less with the optimise teams than i did with the teams i made myself though
silver dirge
I'm doing a 20k offtype run and my team vs Aaron was the tox duo til I realised poison zone powers up Drapion's cross poison I'm also not changing the weather so he's got 1.5x Zone and Clear Power Up 5 
blazing lake
What were bertha’s passives this week? She was tough
silver dirge
She has high base HP, the notable passive is just HS1
nocturne pawn
What were bertha’s passives this week? She was tough
head start 1 and wise entry x3 on sides
blazing lake
That Rhyperior tanked hits like a champ
nocturne pawn
me when 25k dmg steel beam
silver dirge
Damn the sides have WEx2?
nocturne pawn
raihan is very silly
nocturne pawn
Damn the sides have WEx2?
x3
silver dirge
💀 She is trying too hard to be different
nocturne pawn
its definitely her hardest fight
silver dirge
Yeah
paper summit
💀 She is trying too hard to be different
she's taking notes from Koga but cranking it up to a 100
silver dirge
It's time for her to retire
left storm
me when 25k dmg steel beam
That's still 5 steel beams to kill a max hp rhyperior
still bone
Is my box still not stacked well enough to go 18/18 in Champion Stadium yet?
First time ever :/
paper summit
completing the medal isn't really a matter of how stacked or whatever your roster is, going higher in points on Master Mode is
unlocking should be easy enough, then you can work your way up to higher points, no need to go to the maximum possible right away
nocturne pawn
That's still 5 steel beams to kill a max hp rhyperior
why are you playing max hp
and that was with seun and like 5 smun
nocturne pawn
ok well with max hp it’ll be way different
left storm
Guess I can't 3shot mid at +2 Str +20 hp +6 Def
Maybe I can find a middle ground with less Def and more str
rich needle
Slamma
left storm
Got it with +20 hp +9 STR but it's not THAT funny
sweet umbra
By far my hardest free/gen pool only 3k clear against Bertha
dense birch
How many resets lol
sweet umbra
A LOT. More than 50 at least
dense birch
I did colress instead of ss elesa on mine, took me about 2 hrs lol
Damn that was very close
sweet umbra
Maybe. Still sleephax or denials duration rng can screw you, even with the boosted status condition parameter. Anyway, a win is a win
dark osprey
Yeah. What matters is the win. Single Target sleep is better and more controlled
oblique stag
Is 3k worth the rewards
dense birch
the important rewards are up to 3900 iirc
oblique stag
You can't do 3900 it's caps at 3k
toxic cobalt
4.2k we usually say but it is low
toxic cobalt
2.5k per stage is more than enough
oblique stag
Yea
urban cave
I'm struggling to beat Bertha
dark osprey
Just some options to try out on Bertha but would need power boosted legendaries and kinda tight with some RNG
Could probably leave out the Grimsley one
urban cave
Would something like SS Morty/Rachi/Incin work
dark osprey
old orchid
undone ether
ohhh that's an interesting team for solgaleo 😮
urban cave
I would use Solgaleo
But it isn't powerboosted
But it is exed
Because I'm a fucking dumbass
I'm thinking about just using Cuno for that stage
dark osprey
Not sure which language that trainer name is in. Would be great if you could mention the English name or Pokemon or a pic
silver dirge
Articuno?
trail smelt
lol
dark osprey
ohhh that's an interesting team for solgaleo 😮
Just to make sure with the offense debuffs and the teamwide speed for a bit more reliable clear
swift swan
I would be worried if Ethan didn't carry
brazen thorn
I would be worried if Ethan didn't carry
Game broke
grave wyvern
Falkner DPS 
undone ether
3k clear? o_o?
brazen thorn
To be honest any champion stadium with rock or steel weakness is going to be absolute hell
brazen thorn
3k clear? o_o?
I'm at like 4.5k
swift swan
To be honest any champion stadium with rock or steel weakness is going to be abs...
Olivia erasure
Solgaleo handles steel just fine. Bertha is just an ass
brazen thorn
Yeah but I wanted an excuse to use Shauna
brazen thorn
Solgaleo handles steel just fine. Bertha is just an ass
She always is lmao
brazen thorn
Olivia erasure <:DrakePain:858046069857452032>
Oh I have her but to be fair I brought kukui instead and he basically did nothing while I was busy laughing at double moltres
brazen thorn
I'm at like 4.5k
Nvm 5,650 points now
urban cave
Articuno? <:HilbertHmm:625860604347023360>
Articuno yeah
grave wyvern
The fact that most of the posts on reddit today are Bertha clears she got everyone sweating
manic kiln
silver dirge
It's funny how much strife a single turn of accel is causing
manic kiln
multiple players failed to clear with rose
manic kiln
he is slow yes but they used him with solgaleo and other slow speed units + heavy gauge
most steel units speed are trash 
grave wyvern
Rose should be sweeping her 😭 come on gang
hazy tusk
I gave it a shot, I have regrets
Optimize has big "little brother who doesn't understand the game" energy
Shouldn't have plugged his controller in smh
silver dirge
he is slow yes but they used him with solgaleo and other slow speed units + heav...
Just bring a gauge support
astral jolt
Need help with CS, missing dark and ground medal pieces
And if there are any chars I should upgrade regardless of need in cs lmk
silver dirge
Ideally use the tracker to fill out your roster but if you're sending screenshots at least filter by role, it's very hard to track otherwise
Form some teams first, choose a damage dealer and a support + 3rd to set up offenses & multipliers, the last can be a filler type. You can send them here for some feedback
astral jolt
Oh okay
vast dome
These are my CS teams. Which order?
dark osprey
First round messes with quad queue with reflect on entry so need to be prepared.
Second round helps debuffers. That could be helpful for your steel team.
Third round can be flinch locked so probably Acerola will be OP there
Fourth round can help your flying one since you've got special damage
silver dirge
Consider an actual support to help Olivia, and a better special support to help Blue set up faster. Not sure what Winona's doing there, someone with helpful utility would be better, unless you're aiming for flinches
swift swan
When in doubt, just give Olivia the Hilbert fix
vast dome
aight
dark osprey
To correct myself, probably doing Bertha third round with guaranteed flinches is better. Can get through Flint with a decent support as suggested by Nov and Arch
keen jasper
When in doubt, just give Olivia the Hilbert fix
Imagine having 3+/5 Hilbert, not me
lunar meadow
https://discord.com/channels/583120259708616715/1010910822471585914/119710538798...
Lol, my optimize went much smoother, i guess
nocturne pawn
To correct myself, probably doing Bertha third round with guaranteed flinches is...
sides exclusively use rock slide so uhhh
idk how valid that is
dark osprey
Probably their Steven EX would get rid of the sides
The fact that folks can't clear with Rose as well is probably because they aren't focusing on denying and get that -3 turns post sync
Alternatively, they could try second round since that first Steven sync can deny the sides and then hope for a flinch on Bertha
lunar meadow
Rose is basically a cheat code in CS MM
If someone is failing with Copperajah, they have to be doing something wrong
pseudo drum
Hoogh
Finally beat this CS3k
Hardest one so far
Especially Flint, literally had to do it off-type
Don't know why people say that Bertha is difficult
undone ether
dat a 5/5 cynthia?
pseudo drum
She was the second easiest one
undone ether
or just 3/5?
undone ether
Bertha's difficult mostly because of Head start 1
pseudo drum
Already busted
pseudo drum
Bertha's difficult mostly because of Head start 1
Rose crushes
+behemoth bash - hop
I really need a rock type strike pair though
Rock's probably my worst type
undone ether
i'm sure some people used Olivia for it
pseudo drum
She at 2/5
undone ether
sadness.
pseudo drum
True
undone ether
ah wells, a clear's a clear.
undone ether
i'd just go for faves o/
vast dome
ok
lunar meadow
Do you recommend pulling a rock pair
If there's one you want.
Archeops is really good, but you'd want 3/5 and he is kind of an old unit now.
Both Diancie and Dianthie are solid rock options. And go well together.
nocturne pawn
2/5 olivia is already good enough tho lol
she has full nuke already
just needs sand and speed
cedar fable
for cs master mode if i aren’t using super effective should I switch the general damage reduction 8 for max hp 6?
dark osprey
It's probably dependant on the team
Can try with HP 4 and an attack parameters like attack +3
If you've got a healer on the team, you could take ally HP half and if needed take off ally healing down for a net 100 pts extra as well
old orchid
If you are trying to pre sync, taking HP parameters is not recommended unless you are confident your dmg dealer can pre sync easily
dark osprey
Oh yeah. I did assume they were asking for 3K. My bad.
mellow linden
for cs master mode if i aren’t using super effective should I switch the general...
Standard Damage Reduction 8 should be replaced, yes, but which parameters you should replace it with is dependent on your team and preferred playstyle
Note that this only applies if your damage-dealers aren’t using supereffective moves, you shouldn’t be relying on your Supports’ damage output
tired sleet
Max HP params in general are also not recommended outside of stall
lean lion
Who would be better with NCRosa + Mewtwo for next weeks CSMM, Lucian or Bianca?
lunar meadow
Does Meloetta buff special attack well?
undone ether
Randomly +2
formal vigil
Could use a spak buffer and nc rosa rebuff and smun can make up for lack of terrian
rich needle
Just make Bianca the carry
lunar meadow
Musharna/Mewtwo/Alakazam was my psychic team for a long time.
I'm pretty sure I was still using that at 2k clears... And should work on 2.5k.
Probably a stretch but doable on 3k
Psychic-weak Flint can suck due to his infernape's Fire Blast damage
rich needle
Flint in general
lunar meadow
As long as his first move isn't fire blast, I think you'd be ok. At least for 2.5k clear
silver dirge
Musharna/Mewtwo/Alakazam was my psychic team for a long time.
I'm pretty sure I...
On-type should definitely be doable at 3k, the only potential bottleneck I see is Sabrina's tanking capability. If it's an issue can always be replaced with a better special support
lunar meadow
On-type should definitely be doable at 3k, the only potential bottleneck I see i...
When I do it, Musharna is the tank lol.
One mpr on her TM gets her +6/+6, and she can still benefit from Alakazam's reflect
So while Musharna buffs defenses, Alakazam can heal it to safety
lunar meadow
She's on of those units who has great options, but wants to do too much at once.
If she gets a grid expansion for Psychic Terrain extension, she'll become much more reliable
sick inlet
I mean Bertha was so mean this week
So mean I literally stopped her from moving to win
Basically
Perma flinch the whole stage
While Solgaleo ends it
Lol whatever I was responding to wasn't tagged xD
silver dirge
Remix??
versed meteor
Decided to not use cyrus for dragon weak this time
brazen thorn
my dragon pairs are all special attackers so cynthia actually was the hardest because if youre a special attacker chances are you have low defense
Also to people suffering because of Bertha:
behold
you cant hit me, you cant hit me, na-nana boo boo
took a lot of resetting for potions though
as usual
nocturne pawn
my dragon pairs are all special attackers so cynthia actually was the hardest be...
you just have to replace sand
its not an entry passive
brazen thorn
you just have to replace sand
i went overkill with the parameters 💀
SS Brendan plus psychic terrain bianca could have worked potentially but then id have to sacrifice some heals on brendan potentially for the sychic terrain grids
nocturne pawn
i just used acerola for removing the sand
but like
as long as your damage dealer is good enough you can run anyone that changes the weather to not sand
brazen thorn
i was gonna go defog with lisia but she cant even take a single hit without a KO
brazen thorn
as long as your damage dealer is good enough you can run anyone that changes the...
i couldve off typed potentially but i love Zinnia and ray too much
nocturne pawn
i couldve off typed potentially but i love Zinnia and ray too much
wel you can just brute force with clearheaded outrage 
nocturne pawn
i was gonna go defog with lisia but she cant even take a single hit without a KO
defog doesnt remove weather anyway
brazen thorn
defog doesnt remove weather anyway
i always get field effects confused regardless. i ended up using holiday clair cause of her passive
like what the deal with weather effects and things like terrains or damage reduction field effects because arent they all field effects.... ive been playing 3 years and i still dont know lol
all that matters is that half anni marnie is completely and utterly busted
nocturne pawn
like what the deal with weather effects and things like terrains or damage reduc...
weather is specifically only sun rain hail and sand
terrain is grass electric and psychic
then there are zones for all the remaining types that dont have terrain/sun/rain
all of these are categorized under the umbrella term wtz
brazen thorn
gotha
brazen thorn
all of these are categorized under the umbrella term wtz
they dont make it very clear do they
nocturne pawn
they dont make it very clear do they
no they actually do
they use that term in game
its just
most zone setters are limited
brazen thorn
ah
nocturne pawn
so you wont see them too often unless you go for them explicitly
brazen thorn
yeah i dont
only in champ stadium or high score events usually
i was so happy i got to finally use sc shauna
swift swan
~~Imagine having 3+/5 Hilbert, not me~~
you still don't have 3/5 Hilbert? i'm so sorry man 
lean lion
Who would be better with NCRosa + Mewtwo for next weeks CSMM, Lucian or Bianca?
swift swan
either one is fine ngl. Bianca at least helps with some DPS