Champion Stadium

[keen jasper]

Champion Stadium rotation isn't fixed unlike EBs and UBs

[manic kiln]

tbh just use a special fairy next time so you can at least pair them with sycamore, mina is just meh, nuke is great but the setup is bad and she's frail, sycamore moonblast hit harder than play rough pair sycamore, a sp fairy (like lodge lillie) with a crit buffer/def buffer for survival (sonia), they can't kill you even if you post-sync
you always have trouble using mina every single time

[mellow linden]

The new version goes like this (substitute moves however you want except Nanu’s 1st Bite):

1. Nanu Screech
2. Mina Charm
3. Left opponent’s move
4. Sonia’s Potion

Nanu, Mina, and left opponent all finish their moves, so now it becomes:

1. Sonia Potion
2. Nanu Bite
3. Mina Play Rough
4. Center opponent’s move

Sonia uses Potion then queues a move, it’s now:

1. Nanu Bite
2. Mina Play Rough
3. Center opponent’s move
4. Sonia Spark

Nanu uses Bite and flinches the center, the move order is now:

1. Mina Play Rough
2. Sonia Spark
3. Center opponent’s move
4. Nanu Bite

Or:

1. Mina Play Rough
2. Sonia Spark
3. Nanu Bite
4. Center opponent’s move

And once again, which move order occurs does not matter, as the turn denial is successful either way

[verbal karma]

okay, the flinch queuing works

but I am STILL unable to win 😦

no wait

I won

spoke too soon

[mellow linden]

Congrats, you now know how to turn denial

[verbal karma]

thought I was losing because my two sides were dead

but I was lucky with Mina's evasion buffs

[mellow linden]

May you never have to worry about Sonia ruining quadqueue again

[verbal karma]

yeah, thanks

[twilit knot]

both kris and ss grimsley keep dying on flint stage

should i ex them?

i can only do 1 atm

[mellow linden]

How are they getting KOed?

[twilit knot]

not ko but they cant kill the sides on time

[mellow linden]

Could just bring a different team to Flint then, unless you already used the other options I mentioned

[twilit knot]

my team is sonia kris and wiona

he need a phy striker to defeat

and those 2 are my on;y option

he debuffs sp atk so much

[mellow linden]

You used Dojo Gloria + Nessa already?

[twilit knot]

yeah i tried

maybe just skill issue

[mellow linden]

But are they still available or did you win a fight with them?

[twilit knot]

yes they are available

i used lysandre and archie

[mellow linden]

What team did you try with Nessa or a Rain setter + Dojo Gloria and if you used Nessa what grid did she have?

[twilit knot]

with ss blue first

no one can tank fire blast lol

[mellow linden]

What round is this?

[twilit knot]

3rd

[mellow linden]

What parameters?

[twilit knot]

i should wait tiil final round i guess

wait

[mellow linden]

Nah, 3rd vs. 4th round won’t matter against Flint

[steel kelp]

Flint is flint he wants you dead either way

[twilit knot]

all atk adn sync buffs

no hp buffs

and some freebies

[mellow linden]

Can you show me the full list of parameters?

As in the exact ones

[twilit knot]

for gloria nessa and blue

[twilit knot]

last 2 are standard dmg reduction and strength 6 up

[mellow linden]

Is NC Bede still available?

[twilit knot]

umm no

ill just redo it

i have rosa tho

and nc calem

[mellow linden]

Can try NC Calem if you’re not using him elsewhere

Though you may need to remove some offense parameters in exchange for some max HP or something

[twilit knot]

i completely forgot about him lol
always forgot he's dark type not water

[twilit knot]

ill try

so i ex'd kris and she nuked them out of existence

[mellow linden]

It do be like that sometimes

[twilit knot]

aaaand done!

thanks a lot

[mellow linden]

No problem. Congrats!

[twilit knot]

leaf was the easiest one followed by malva, shauntal, olivia then flint

well then

good night

[rich needle]

leafs only easy because we throw our bestest teams at her

[tulip python]

Honestly, Jirachi has been a godsend for some of these steel stages.

[rich needle]

Who?

[tired sleet]

Probably Gloria

[trail smelt]

Truth lol

[full mesa]

3rd week of Sinnoh is going to be painful. Ground/Rock/Flying all together.

[wide adder]

wait, what makes that so bad exactly...?

[old orchid]

Maybe they dont have good options for these types

[manic mica]

Where the heck are the pins? I can’t find them on mobile with the new update

Nvm found them

[tulip python]

Do we get another free one of those champion pairs anytime soon? I still need a Gloria

Cause all my steel pairs are pain for CS

Mega Metagross why do you forsake me so

[zealous karma]

Unless you plan to candy gloria to 4/5 I wouldnt expectr her to be a good buff and MCleo is a lot better than 1/5 gloria

(With PB)

[tulip python]

Is he? Oh cause of piercing blows right

[zealous karma]

No his damage and sync are just very good PB is a fun benefit as wel

Gloria only outshines sol at 4/5+

While sol is a free unit

[tulip python]

I see.

[winged pelican]

So what are you guys using to clear the water stages?

[tulip python]

No idea, I’ve been putting it off

[old orchid]

Its easier to help if you send your roster here

[winged pelican]

Tried to do the poison stall with Leaf/Venusaur but idk who to pair them with

Seeing this...my hiatus made me miss SO MANY UNITS

[tulip python]

I don’t even pull on many of these banners. Bit of luck mostly

[winged pelican]

That’s some crazy luck. I whaled hard at the start then took a few years off and then came back for…Diancie was my latest and before that I whaled hard for SS N

[tulip python]

#1010275375730925638 has been a good lesson. Never pull unless you have a pity

[winged pelican]

Im learning that now for Meloetta...sigh ima have to swipe

at 200/400 pity right now

[crystal notch]

I assure you, it's not HAHA

[paper summit]

it makes everyone's life harder, so either go with pics or use the tracker

+tracker

[frozen depot]

Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button

[winged pelican]

Oooh thanks! Didnt know this was a thing

[silver dirge]

Ideally you should also include your 3 & 4* pairs just for sake of easier visual reference when we're recommending teams/units, they all range from useful to amazing.

Which CS are you attempting, Pasio CS or regular CS? Have you ever attempted master mode before, or completed the hard mode medal?

[winged pelican]

I was asking for help regarding the Pasio CS but you guys have a really efficient pin that shows which buffs you use for the minimum points. I just did the 850 set up and finished it. I’ll try and do 1500 next time.

[silver dirge]

Oh sweet, very nice

[main crow]

I love when Raihan misses his sync crit

checks note

3 times in a row

[sacred mountain]

Guys can someone help me make teams for the Special CS

[old orchid]

Look like you have to offtype/toxic stall on some stages, is that okay for you?

Also, do you have tech Blastoise/tech Vaporeon/sup Quaxly?

[sacred mountain]

No eggs / lodge

I'm fine with off typing

[swift swan]

Among offtype options, I see NC Red + Irida. SS Lyra can also cheese a stage

You have SS Grimsley who has a good nuke. 2/5 Kris still packs a punch (a kick?) and if you can candy your Barry/have Siebold dupes, that'd be great

[sacred mountain]

Ok I made a mistake with The Siebold sorry

[swift swan]

Oh Silver + NC Leaf should offtype fine too

[sacred mountain]

He's 5/5 exd

I tried to do it on phone so I think I missed it

[sacred mountain]

At 1/5?

[swift swan]

Silver nukes

NC Leaf for the rebuff and debuffs. Get ss morty for the sun (though i don't think you need that much sun)

[sacred mountain]

Can Deoxys + Meloetta in Terrain offtype

2/5 EX SSteven and a 1/5 Meloetta

[winged pelican]

Beat Alder! All it took was spending 6000 gems and pulling 3 Rosa...shes crazy strong for a support lol

[mellow linden]

1. Wrong channel
2. I sincerely hope you didn’t scout NC Rosa purely to beat the EBE, because if so you wasted a lot of gems

[swift swan]

Worth a try

[winged pelican]

Swore i clicked the right channel. And nah i like the unit.

[dreamy sigil]

Pasio csmm has been giving me a run for my money i am here asking for guidance, of this small roster who could I build teams around to beat it?

I'm tried building a team around ss grimsley but to no avail

[winged pelican]

You have about the same roster as I did when i beat it. (Water types anyway) which points are you aiming for?

[vast dome]

This a good Leaf team?

[dreamy sigil]

Only 850

[vast dome]

Some of my stronger supports

[dreamy sigil]

I'm still generally new to mm, only done 2 or 3 clears so far

[winged pelican]

Hmm you should be able to clear wit what you have using a water DPS and any type support/tech. Try to use the 850 suggested points system in the pins and adjust based on physical or special dps

[silver dirge]

850 points is a 0 difficulty increase given the following: #1009554906568462476 message explained by Cobalt

[dreamy sigil]

do i only need to get rid of malva's sun twice?

[grim lotus]

im dying at 1/4, tried different times, also trying to delete the other two allies, but always lost

the outcome want always the same

the best ones were either the boss dead and the other two almost dead or the other two dead and the boss almost about to die

btw got some new pairs

[rich needle]

Did you get a limited unit or a standard pool unit

[grim lotus]

fuck forgot to take a screenshot, anyway the new ones are : nidoking giovanni, decidueye selene, hatterene bede, deoxys steven,venusaur red and uhhh

i dont remember

no wait selene and decidueye were already in the old screenshot

who was the other one i got...

[rich needle]

🤔

Seems alright

[grim lotus]

anyway i guess it doesnt matter

took advantage of the christmas deal and used the gems on the mix scout since i lack almost everything

only the cheap deal tho

guess i got lucky? i wanted steven and deoxys but the other ones are good from what i've read

[grim lotus]

emma and crobat

whitney holiday 2022

[rich needle]

mmm you know what

lets try it like this

try to uhh do champion frogs and steelix

on hala

and try to do off type iteration

[grim lotus]

wh

steelix???

isnt it ass

[rich needle]

ok actually i will directly test this comp and then ill tell you who to make the third pair

wait ass?

its not that bad

[grim lotus]

always hated it

in poma

[rich needle]

its bulky

although prolly a more solid choice against uh olivia

[grim lotus]

dunno bruh, maybe i just need a shitton of orbs

btw im almost done gridding hop

[rich needle]

gimme a sec imma try to directly test something

[grim lotus]

yeah sure

i also got lucian with girafarig @rich needle

[rich needle]

mk

i used dawn neo champion serena and neo champion calem

i see calem's exd so i think you can do it with them

just use her b move once after you sync to accel one time, and make sure to turn on the rain effect its very strong, you should be able to kill the middle in 2 syncs if not just keep going and whittle down the side units, youll probably dodge them(if you don't cry and try again lel but it shouldnt be too bad)

also use calem's bmove before cerena syncs for maximu mdamage

also if you can save ur dawn tm for cerena when she gets hit by 2 earthquakes

[grim lotus]

b move?

[rich needle]

the special rainbow tinged moves with locks on them

its like

transformational quick attack

[grim lotus]

the lgbt move

[rich needle]

and wondrous double team

or something

[grim lotus]

bruh i dont cry at all i've repeated the same fights for hours just to find the best way to deal with them...but now i lack time and if i can get some help why ever not

[grim lotus]

dawn tm?

[rich needle]

trainer move

[grim lotus]

the heal move

[rich needle]

the full heal thing

[grim lotus]

sure

dawn is gridded btw

[rich needle]

Honestly this is uncomfortably close but it’s that never give up mentality

[grim lotus]

which off type should i pick?

[rich needle]

Post sync

[grim lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/matsuoka-shuzo-shuzo-nevergiveup-gif-5455480

[rich needle]

If your cerena were 3/5 you could try to pre sync but at 1/5 she isn’t as explosive

[grim lotus]

i could feed her candies

but idk

got two candies

her level is also low, only 125

[rich needle]

Well she is extremely good at 3/5 but I am a notorious candy hoarder so I would be hesitant personally

But she is extremely good I can vouch for it

if its not going well you can include ssmina instead of dawn

that should make it go very smoothly

and ill figure out the fights without her(prolly)

@grim lotus the ssmina instead of dawn play actually looks very good I think

[grim lotus]

alright!

will do tomorrow morning (rome gmt)

[rich needle]

ic

good night

[grim lotus]

thanks for your time

[narrow plover]

anyone know what teams I can run for special CS (the all water one)? I was trying to do off type ss serena 3k points on the olivia stage and just got cooked badly 💀 and my ss red literally only did 500, is it just not possible to off type with my team selections?

[rich needle]

It’s Uber possible

[mellow linden]

If your SS Red only did 500 damage then you likely had the wrong Damage Reduction 8 parameters active

The 100 point Physical Damage Reduction 8 and Special Damage Reduction 8 parameters reduce physical and special damage respectively by 80%, and the 300 point Standard Damage Reduction 8 parameter reduces non-supereffective damage by 80%

[narrow plover]

I had physical damage reduction 8

oh wait I see what happened

I had standard damage reduction 8

Changed parameters still was only doing 3k and got one shot by olivia somehow

[mellow linden]

What team were you using?

[rich needle]

Ssred is weak to rock

[narrow plover]

ss red ss blue and that one guy with samurott

had him there to get max attack for haymaker

[mellow linden]

Replace SS Blue with a Sun setter

[narrow plover]

does blaine work or would gordie be better

I have them and ss erika for sun

[mellow linden]

Any of the 3 can work, Gordie might be best due to Fire Rebuff though

[narrow plover]

ok I'll give him a try then, appreciate it

[mellow linden]

Just make sure you save Gordie's Max Move to queue it right before SS Red Syncs

Since you can only set Sun once with him

[fiery canopy]

damn hala is being annoying

nvm lol

[white gale]

yikes, next week's Lucian has Wise Entry x 2. SS Hilbert/Alder obviously won't work as well, but are they better than the f2p Bug units or just off-typing?

[old orchid]

they can brute force Lucian

but if you dont want to use them, better offtyping

[white gale]

ooo, realized I have Ninjask... is he any good for Lucian?

[old orchid]

yes, ofc

[keen jasper]

SC Emmet time

[undone ether]

Yo boi Guzma o.o!

[keen jasper]

He hella weak

[undone ether]

I havent checked it so ill be forming teams for it

Once I get back home

[white gale]

what's a good team for Ninjask? maybe Sonia + SS Hilbert (for the rebuff)? Or is that too slow?

[old orchid]

thats good

[dark osprey]

No gen pool grid upgrade this datamine right?

[silver dirge]

Nop, SS Cynthia took the PoMa day expansion

[dark osprey]

Ah right. She needs it desperately

[silver dirge]

She's also getting a 5/5 expansion

[dark osprey]

Oh. Will check out the grid now. Thanks 👍

[undone ether]

oh jeez. 2 sandstorm sheningans in 1 week.

[silver dirge]

HE4 Flint & Wise Entry Lucian

Fun times

[undone ether]

this is not fun.

the sides also do mind games 9 like mad.

[silver dirge]

Won't matter when you've got SS Steven + NC Rosa

Why is Registeel there just bring Bianca

[undone ether]

just initial for now

looks like the Dragon Weak Cynthia seems to be made for NY Clair in mind.

[silver dirge]

It's an old stage

It's pretty standard for a weather setting stage, nothing crazy

[undone ether]

hum. wondering if i should use SS Morty with Zerena for it i guess.

[silver dirge]

Don't see why not

[undone ether]

oh jeez, we've got 5 weeks of Sinnoh. @-@

[wet gate]

How are these teams

i feel like maybe flint is a bit underpowered

[old orchid]

i would bring a better tank than Hilbert

Flint hits real hard

and May doesnt need double supports

[silver dirge]

Honestly my Hilbert made it through R2 Malva, I think it should be okay because Kris hits like an absolute truck. Hilbert's got endure should be able to tough it out but if not can always change to something like Sonia or Aaron

[old orchid]

yea you are right but going for presync without reduced sync cd parameters is dangerous for Hilbert, because enemies dont have many item moves compared to standard

[manic kiln]

Olivia team is overkill, you don't need 2 busted supports for that stage

[wet gate]

maybe i can move one of the suppor.ts to flint

[silver dirge]

Yeah very fair

[wet gate]

How about this?

rain isnt that important for kris right

[old orchid]

i would ditch Hilbert and bring Winona there

[wet gate]

ok

is there anything else

[old orchid]

check our feedbacks above out

your supports are so strong that you can afford rain to further boost DDs' damage or another DD

[silver dirge]

Double support on Nessa seems unnecessary as well, unless that's what Lost was referring to

No nvm he wasn't

[wet gate]

i dont have that many rain setters

[silver dirge]

Nessa you can just bring someone to setup multipliers

E.g. debuff defense

Do you have any eggmon rain setters? Quaxly, Blastoise, Vaporeon?

[wet gate]

gyarydos is my only water eggmon

[formal vigil]

Nc calem sets rain

[silver dirge]

Oh yeah I meant in general not for Nessa

[wet gate]

only olivia has no rain

also i replaced blue with kukui for def down

i mean is rain really that important

[formal vigil]

Though Also if you lack rain could add another water damage dealer like leaf evee team

[silver dirge]

It's a lot more effective than a redundant support

[wet gate]

can i beat it without it

[silver dirge]

Probably

[wet gate]

ok

ill add a rain if i cant beat it

does restrained count as status condition?

im dying to malva

calem is getting 2 shot and the aoe attacks are deadly

[silver dirge]

Status change yes, status condition no

[silver dirge]

What round is this?

[wet gate]

3

[silver dirge]

Don't worry about status conditions unless you're poison stalling

[wet gate]

overheat 1 shots calem

also i cant quad queue

[old orchid]

Is SS Blue 2/5 at least?

[wet gate]

im not using ss blue

[old orchid]

So dont use Calem's TM in the first turn

[wet gate]

wait i did no damage with nessa sync

[wet gate]

i finally did it bruh

after half an hour

wow nessa sucks

i had to use grimsley

[steel kelp]

Nessa is good

[wet gate]

she only did 20k damage

with sync

[old orchid]

thats too low, did you setup her multipliers at all?

[wet gate]

idk

it was raining

and i used nc leaf to lower stats

as well as the rock throw

[old orchid]

did you use Jaw Lock?

[wet gate]

or whatever its called

yes

[old orchid]

did she have Relentless on grid?

[wet gate]

i think so

[crystal notch]

there's something terribly wrong

if nessa does less damage than grimsley

[wet gate]

ss grimsley

[crystal notch]

yes

did you max out her atk and crit?

[wet gate]

yes

[old orchid]

that might be non crit

[wet gate]

it was crit

[old orchid]

there is no way Nessa loses to SS Grimsley

[crystal notch]

take it from me, I used both non EX

and I couldn't even 3k with ss grimsley

while nessa does it easily

[wet gate]

silver doesnt do enough damage

[old orchid]

give him rain or another dmg dealer

[wet gate]

the only rain i can get is an eggmon

[old orchid]

doesnt matter

[wet gate]

ok

which ones have rain

[crystal notch]

then eggmon you go. gotta use all your tools

[old orchid]

is Sonia free? use her to help setting up Silver's multiplier

[wet gate]

yes

sonia or rain

[crystal notch]

tech gyarados has it, and so does supp (?) blastoise

[wet gate]

i have gyarados

what lucky skill?

[crystal notch]

you don't need to attach an LS to the eggmon

it's just there for rain

[wet gate]

ok

i did even less damage

without eevees def down

[crystal notch]

your sonia should be debuffing def

[wet gate]

i dont have sonia

silver gyarados and nc rosa

[old orchid]

replace Rosa with someone boosting Silver's offensive buffs quicker

[wet gate]

ok

so sonia

ok i beat it

i even survived sync

sonia is cracked

[old orchid]

[crystal notch]

yeah

she's really really good

also take this as a lesson to prioritize your damage dealer needs

no matter how OP the support is in general

if it's not the damage dealer's fit

maybe rethink

[steel kelp]

All the pmun or smun rosa gives doesn’t matter if you’ve got no stats

[wet gate]

ok leaf was a breeze

dumped ss mina nc leaf and nc serena

ok done

phew

[weak path]

first timer here

my lineup of 5*s

nt sure which pairs to use for each

[old orchid]

is this hard or master mode?

[crystal notch]

hard, apparently

[weak path]

hard only

feels like i lack units

[cedar fable]

what pairs should I use in special cs?

[silver dirge]

That depends entirely on your roster

[silver dirge]

Are you familiar with teambuilding & triplequeueing?

Just to get a footing of where you're at so we can help accordingly

[weak path]

not rly

[silver dirge]

Alright, have a quick read of #1010307000346878062, it covers both those topics, you're looking for Teambuilding 101 and Triplequeue headings in there. You can also type +101 or +triplequeue in #bot-zone for both those guides.

Since you're on hard mode, you've got some flexibility, so I'd suggest the following:

• Choose a damage dealer for each stage, see what buffs or multipliers it needs
• Choose a support that either helps with those buffs/multipliers or just there to tank
• See if your team needs anything else, if not, you can simply throw in a random filler type to get it done on the medal

Feel free to ask for pointers along the way

[weak path]

ok ty

the guide was a good read ima get some sleep n try again ty

[silver dirge]

[olive aspen]

Any suggestions for teams/pairs for this stadium?

Alola does feel harder than other recent stadiums

[silver dirge]

Hard mode or master mode?

[olive aspen]

Master

Probably its mostly off type this round for me, but even with lower parameters I guess they have some other gimmicks Im not noticing

Like for example, zacian and zamazenta should be enough for olivia I think and with the right settings. But hala was beating me a lot

[silver dirge]

Yea it should be, may have been a parameter issue If you can send your teams & parameters we can see if there's something to change around

[olive aspen]

Alright, I’ll get on it again in a bit

[lunar meadow]

Just as a heads up...

I see 5/5 Kyurem-B, 5/5 Genesect, and 3/5 Victini. I also don't see many other limited units (aside from older ones like Redzard/metagross/Garchomp/etc).

That sounds like you are a returning player who went all in on the trio banner last month.

I would suggest not pulling on a banner once you have 3/5 for the main unit you want. The 4/5 and 5/5 grids are much less valuable in most cases. With your roster, having 5 different units at 1/5 will give you a lot more to work with than a single 5/5 unit.

[lunar meadow]

I'd recommend using STR parameters for most of the fights, because you will be aiming for post-sync clears. Using a support EX sync first, and your damage dealers later.

Fairy: 4th Fight, when physical damage is lowered
I don't see any good fairy damage dealers, so you will want to off-type this. You have a great offtype team outline with sun and fire.
1: Victini - main damage
2: Mo-Oh - Tank
3: Anything

Steel: 1st fight, when move gauge speed is up
1: Solgaleo - main damage
2: Blastoise - bulky tank, buffs crit and helps with Solgaleo's need for move gauge support. First sync.
3: Anything

Ghost: 2nd fight, when you have the ability to lower enemy stats by fainting.
1: Mewtwo - spam shadowball
2: Eevee - main tank, and first sync to help buff
3: Rotom - speeds up sync, helps buff Mewtwo

Psychic: 3rd fight, when you have higher chance to paralyze and flinch
May also need to offtype this, unless you use the team I wrote for ghost type here.
1: Kyurem-B - main damage, opponent offense drop
2: Samurott - main buffer, first sync
3: Mortmagius - tank, defense buffer

Grass: Add the modifier to reduce phys damage taken, or the fainting for stat drops.
1: Leafeon - fantastic high damage
2: Rapidash - sets sun, so Leafeon doesn't need to
3: Zamazenta - tank and buffer

That's my recommendation, at least.

I think you should get over 6000 points at least

[grim lotus]

done, wasted 3 hours but done

had to change a few things

[rich needle]

Nice

[formal vigil]

isn;t evee rotom redudant since they both buff spak crit

[rich needle]

I think the best team for you to do next is sslana

The psychic weak

Do on type parameters

She’ll probably demolish it

[lunar meadow]

Rotom buffs satk twice, to bring Mewtwo to +4

Eevee uses the first sync to finish off the last +2 for a total of +6 satk, while at the same time giving 2 Sync buffs.

Also, Rotom accelerates the speed of using a sync move, while giving Mewtwo +1 crit. So Mewtwo self buffs +2 crit and will max out crit in one cycle

So you basically:

Eevee tackle (fishing for flinch), Rotom uses TM on Mewtwo to max his crit and speed up first sync, Mewtwo self buffs crit

Eevee dicks around, Rotom buff satk, Mewtwo shadowball

Eevee sync, Rotom buff satk, Mewtwo shadowball

[grim lotus]

sslana and who else

[lunar meadow]

That third round will have Mewtwo shadowballing at +6satk, +3 crit, and 2x sync buffs.

[rich needle]

you can probably use phoebe jasmine and sslana(properly gridded)

Use ontype presync conditions against the kali stage

And you can probably blitz it down and annihilate the stage by the first sync move lana does

A few more psycho cuts wouldn’t hurt but yeah should be quick and easy

[tulip python]

Any ideal team comps for the special stadium?

[rich needle]

A

you havent even posted move level

[tulip python]

Ah gosh darn it

I’ll have to deal with that later then, the phone version is kind of odd

[rich needle]

if its too much just take a picture of your water units and send it over

[tulip python]

Water units (I have the other frog too, but he apparently doesn’t count as water)

[rich needle]

Cuz he starts dark

Wot are your supports

[rich needle]

You can kinda just basic team build and wreck it you have enough h broken units

[tulip python]

Gtk

Need to mess about with water pairs

Urshifu wasn’t doing much to Malva

Nor was swampert with AoE

[rich needle]

Really? I’ve seen her nuke big

Make sure your using the right conditions

You can use lysandre and may on the same team it kills pretty fast

And hilbert and kris on the same team as they synergize

[tulip python]

Hmm, I’ll give those a shot; main concern for these is always preserving the “good” units for the final pushes

[rich needle]

Just save ncerena and ncalem for the end

She’s not 3/5 but she should still kill it pretty good

@grim lotus didja see my above messages

[grim lotus]

PHOEBE????

[rich needle]

Do you not have her?

[grim lotus]

ofc i do but isnt she weak

so in order for damage, steelix dusknoir and tapu?

[rich needle]

Hm actually I want to keep steelix free just in case

I think the play is chestnaught dusknoir and Tapu lele

[grim lotus]

alright

lana is properly gridded👍

[rich needle]

And yes phoebe isn’t that good but the idea is you sync with Tapu and psycho cut like 3 times and they should be dead

You can use lilie if you like

Since it’s sure crit

But i don’t think it matters very much

[grim lotus]

alright, so on type pre sync chesnaught dusknoir and tapu lele

[rich needle]

Mhm

[rich needle]

How’s it going @grim lotus

[grim lotus]

Trying rn

[rich needle]

its not easy?

[grim lotus]

Which on type pre sync tho

Hp or damage

[rich needle]

um, hp should be fine I think?

[grim lotus]

I think hp might be better

Aight

I stopped before destroying crobat

Very easy immense damage

@rich needle

[rich needle]

figures

so youre done with 2 now?

[grim lotus]

No i want to raise the reward

Ill try destroying crobat with more limitations

[rich needle]

ah youre not at 3k

i see

shouldnt be very hard if you just add a few more strength and stuff

[grim lotus]

POWER

Btw hete the latest pairs

Ok so next e4?

@rich needle

[rich needle]

mkay

[grim lotus]

Mmh

Ready in position sir

[rich needle]

well i think accerola is easier than olivia

i think anyway

yeah lets go with that

next we'll poison stall olivia

[grim lotus]

Ok

[rich needle]

we can do this with ss leaf/lucy ariados and jasmine

jasmine is here because she gets very crit happy at a certain point so having a crit shield on the syncs is just useful in general

[grim lotus]

Lucy?

[rich needle]

lucy is the seviper girl

[grim lotus]

Oh

Leaf is gridded

Lucy isn't

[rich needle]

i personally use ssleaf because she has potions but mine is 3/5 and has increased damage on poison

ah

in that case i think ssleaf should work better

stalling is a long boring but usually quite reliable tactic

just poison them, and spam the crap out of the drench move on ariados

[grim lotus]

So olivia rn right?

[rich needle]

yeah

[grim lotus]

With ariados u mean janine?

Which of the two should i pic? Janine isn't gridded as well

@rich needle

[rich needle]

janine isnt optional

cuz she drastically reduces the damage you take

and ye i meant her i forgot her name

so ssleaf janine and jasmine

youll not get 3k this way unless you wanna risk some strength but the rewards for it are quite minimal to go from 2.5 to 3k, so meh

[grim lotus]

In this order?

[rich needle]

ye thats fine

if you can grid recuperation on jasmine

[grim lotus]

Off type post sync?

[rich needle]

nono you go for the special poison stall one

[grim lotus]

Ok

Who should sync?

@rich needle

[rich needle]

if jasmine has recuperation her

[grim lotus]

If not?

[rich needle]

if not sync with her first then leaf then it doesnt matter youre just pressing buttons for gradual healing

save one use of her trainer move just before olivia does her second sync(if she gets there)

the other one can be used before her f irst sync

after the first poison spam drench

and from there you just kinda get gradual healing from leaf, attack and heal whoevers low and thats it

theyll die eventually

[grim lotus]

Done

@rich needle

[rich needle]

alright

well now the team i think you should use is nc nate and skyla and hop

I think thatll do

hop or ghetsis?

[grim lotus]

Send a grid for hop

[rich needle]

im not sure not being able to directly test nc nate makes me only guess at him

[grim lotus]

It's ready but random

Nc nate is strong

And exed

[rich needle]

uh my hop grid

lesee

[grim lotus]

Off type pre sync?

[rich needle]

um, if nc nate is that strong yeah

and make hop tank first

I

If you don’t have those tiles on the side(his powerboost) then get adrenaline

[grim lotus]

@rich needle

[rich needle]

get teh red thing next to adrenaline too

[grim lotus]

Ops, done

Bruh but i have physical damage reduction rn

[rich needle]

just boop it off for special reduction

[grim lotus]

No i mean for the fight

[rich needle]

Oh that

[grim lotus]

Both ally and enemy

[rich needle]

Crits completely bypass it

[grim lotus]

Almost killed tho

[rich needle]

Don’t think about it

[rich needle]

It’s like a reflect

[grim lotus]

Wrong ones

[steel kelp]

What’s hop for

[rich needle]

You have so many potions you can use

[steel kelp]

Nate maxes himself

[rich needle]

It’s just a don’t die thing

If there’s another tank to use then go for it but hop provides a lot of security with buffer and potions

But yeah drake be more liberal with those potions hop takes less damage at max hp so he should not be dead by then

I realize now that adrenaline isn’t that useful since ur not support exd but it genuinely shouldn’t make a difference

[grim lotus]

Done

Hop was more fragile than expected

@rich needle

[rich needle]

Okey

[grim lotus]

Which one

[rich needle]

Last team should be sycamore accerola brendan

Powerful moves

The first one

[grim lotus]

Off type pre sync?

[rich needle]

Post

On type

[grim lotus]

On type like for lana?

[rich needle]

mhm

post tho

sycamoe main tank

[rich needle]

@grim lotus if you havent beat it i realize you have a stronger team so come back

[grim lotus]

Done

[rich needle]

oh you beat it

kek

[grim lotus]

Stuck in this loop

[rich needle]

well for next time mix red is a very strong grass unit

[grim lotus]

Of two self healers

[grim lotus]

Yeah i was thinking about it

But it was good the first try

[rich needle]

aight

[grim lotus]

Thanks a lot

[rich needle]

np

[grim lotus]

Could you help me for the other stadium too? 🥺

[rich needle]

ummm i can try but you dont have too much water stuff

[grim lotus]

I know...

[rich needle]

i guess we'll just try 2.5k and go from there

could you post all your invested strikers and techs and supports in different screenshots

[grim lotus]

wdym in different screenshots

filtered?

[rich needle]

ye filter your damage dealers and your supports

[grim lotus]

if it's not a problem we'll continue this tomorrow

got something important to do

[rich needle]

Ye sure do ur irl things

[lunar meadow]

@olive aspen
Were you able to get CS done?

[winged pelican]

Im gonna assume the 2000 points requires at least some EX pokemon

[old orchid]

No, there are some people who used non EX and mostly f2p pairs to beat 2.5k pts

[winged pelican]

Hmmm

[old orchid]

Its mostly down to your skill and planning

[winged pelican]

I just did the 1500 and it wasnt too hard.

Yea the team composition part is where i struggle a bit

[north crown]

@winged pelican Do you know about teambuilding 101?

[winged pelican]

Yea i mean, for Champion Stadium its different than the standard Striker, Support, Tech line ups right?

[north crown]

depends on the situation

+101

[frozen depot]

> Teambuilding 101
Make sure you have done the Victory Road tutorial for an introduction to the game's teambuilding and gameplay.

1. When making a team, you usually want to focus building around a selected damage dealer that hits the stage's weakness (or not if they are strong enough to off-type). This can be a / striker or a tech. Take the time to read that damage dealer's kit in its entirety (moves and passives) to see what they can buff themselves. Critical-Hit Rate maxes at +3 while all other main buffs go to +6. Damage dealers should be in slot 3 for tactics.

2. Once you figured out your damage dealer, pick a to put on slot 1 in tactics so it takes the damage. The support will often want to cover the buffs the damage dealer needs and cannot max by themselves reliably (look for critical-hit rate, attack or special attack for example). If your damage dealer is fully self sustainable, the support can cover healing or defensive utility as needed!

3. Finally your last slot is entirely flexible and depends on your first two picks. You can take a tech focusing on utility like debuffs or weather/terrain that empowers your damage dealer, or another support that focuses on defenses and healing to survive longer, perhaps even boost gauge speed for demanding damaging moves. If your team allows it, you can even pick a second damage dealer! It's important to experiment and remember that a successful team will be able to manage gauge properly for triple queueing and buffing your damage dealer fast so they can focus on pumping out damage as soon as possible!

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[winged pelican]

My line up. And yea I'm aware of the basics. Maybe i just need to try 2000 and see if i can do it with my 1500 line ups

[north crown]

oh that's a relatively small roster

this week right?

[winged pelican]

I took a few years off and came back intermitently for stuff like SS N and Diancie

And yea the water master mode

[north crown]

oh the "special, limited one"

aw no Legendary Adventure EXes.. eh it's fine

[winged pelican]

I also missed the legendaryu expanded grids

[north crown]

wtf 0 ex pairs?

what is this?1

[winged pelican]

Oh i have like 8 of them

One sec

[north crown]

holy shit 5/5 SSN?!!?

[winged pelican]

I legit dumped all my diamonds. got 5/5 and dipped LOL

[manic kiln]

So many old pokefair at 5/5

[north crown]

ok that's one offtype clear secured at least

[winged pelican]

Updated with who i have EX of

My EX's are random...and dont make much sense cause they were made when the system first came out which explains the EX Pidgeot and Lycanrock

[steel kelp]

But blue is good tho

[winged pelican]

When you whale hard...you whale hard

[north crown]

ok Leaf, that's good

[manic kiln]

But at least they all got great grid expansion so you’re good

[north crown]

Leaf, Cyrus, rain setter

• this can even be an eggmon if you have access to any of them

[winged pelican]

I was happy to come back to see alot of my old carries had expanded grids

[manic kiln]

Definitely can ontype most stages

[north crown]

yeah no shit we need to for 2k+

[winged pelican]

Is that Pre or Post sync

[north crown]

Cyrus CS teams are usually pre

[winged pelican]

kk do i save Cyrus team for Leaf or do i just use it for the bottom 4

[north crown]

Lenora, SSN, Ghetsis will PROBABLY work

idk I haven't fought NCLeaf yet

[steel kelp]

N carrying his dad on his back

Change weather then it’s free

[north crown]

I usually just throw in my strongest pairs against the special CS champ cuz they're always strong

I just go in blind lmao

I don't think you have the luxury to do that

if someone expereinced advises u to bring weather, then that's probably one of the stage's gimmicks

[winged pelican]

I know the bottom left has sun in her fight.

[north crown]

SSBlue, May, Winona sounds like a good idea. The only real worry is May's accuracy on Muddy Water. Kinda wished Leaf was here but idk how hard NCLeaf hits

Leaf is relatively frail before she syncs, so she might not even last until then in 3k

[winged pelican]

I know for 1500 i used poison stall with SS Leaf, Leaf, and Lenora

The double resistances helped

[north crown]

you can always pray to rng gods for pot mpr ig

Also I see that you have HViola. idk how good she is

[winged pelican]

Shes squishy as sin lol

But her partner move is pretty good

[steel kelp]

Ah yes the one use all stats down by one

[north crown]

Hear me out: Melony, May, Elio

ALl the offensive buffs you need + accuracy buffs. Spam sleep like it's no tomrrow

So far we got:

1. Leaf EX, Cyrus, rain setter
2. Melony, May, Elio
   ---This team would be especially good for the Champion due to round 5's field parameter

... is maxed Diantha a good offtyper? she onlt has 1 sync multiplier..

[winged pelican]

[north crown]

I've done Lillie, SSRed, Blaine for 2.5k offtype presync consistently, tho idk if that will work for 3k. Best to save this presync SSRed team for one of the weaker stages.

SimplyJosh Special CS planning bookmark

1. Leaf EX, Cyrus, rain setter
2. Lillie, SSRed EX, Blaine
--- either Olivia or Shauntal
3. Support, 5/5 SSN, Ghetsis
--- Flint (spatk debuffing gimimck)
4. poison stall
--- Either Olivia or Shauntal

Champion: Melony, May, Elio

[winged pelican]

Clefairy, Charizard, Rapisdash? Couldnt i use another sun setter?

[north crown]

What other sun setter do y have?

I don't remeber seeing another one

[winged pelican]

Flareon and Lucas
Lyra and Meganium

Gordie

[north crown]

Both VLucas and Lyra need their sync to activate sun.
Gordie's is one time use

[winged pelican]

Oh right

[north crown]

I wonder if 3/5 Rosa EX, Diantha EX, 3/5 HViola cann take on 3k Flint...

problem are the physical moves the sides use

you might have to poison stall a stage

[winged pelican]

I must be doing something wrong. Im trying to do 2.5k Malva with the Cyrus team and im getting eaten alive

[north crown]

We might have to cheese her with Winona's 60% flinches

ok yeah no wonder your'e struggling

round 1 gimmick doesn't help much with Malva

[winged pelican]

Leaf got one shot...under rain dance

[north crown]

Might be due to crits

Have you ever tried giving ur pairs lucky skills?

[winged pelican]

All of my used pairs have lucky skills. Im 100% sure leaf has vigilance

Lemme check

She does. Was just a weird hit doing all of her health

[north crown]

told u she can be frail

hey Malva's team all have special moves... so Rosa might fit better here. You'd just have to grid Cyrus for self sufficiency.

Actually hold on I didn't even get to look at the parameters

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823566290563366942/1180447175751249921/WaterCS.png?ex=6599239a&is=6586ae9a&hm=605d15ca5860b134a6a71c85a3a0488efed8f7e6a557692f93bcd6be26cde15c&

1. phys dmg reduc

2. spatk+

3. status conditions

4. sync buff+

5. perm field

Fighting Olivia R1 seems like a safe call since she's the only one with (mostly) physical attacks

nvm R2 param makes that tricky

You might have to go R1 Flint and pray that Diantha can turn deny left side with first sync

[winged pelican]

ill try it

[north crown]

either that, or spam the special CS with poison stalls

anyways I'ma log off for now. glhf

[winged pelican]

ty for the help!

[keen jasper]

Hmmmmm, even with me having NY Lisia, she's only 1/5 and still might struggle against fairy-weak Cynthia

[swift swan]

If you have egg sylveon, that will help. Then just slap Sonia for defense debuffs

[keen jasper]

I mean, SS Wally can still finish her even at 4k pts.

[full mesa]

If SSWally can do that, how exactly are you struggling against her?

[keen jasper]

Because I'm intentionally handicapping myself by doing 1k extra points than the usual

[noble plaza]

I was having trouble doing 3k Kahili with Bede. I tried BP Valerie before but that didn't work well either. I was thinking of trying again but off typing instead but I used NC Blue for Kahili

What's rough with 15k CS is that my supports feel so frail now

[old orchid]

Did you mean Hala? because he is Fairy weak, not Kahili

[dark osprey]

Probably Hala. He does hit hard with close combat sometimes. Can try a clear with Bede, BP Cobalion and Sycamore so that Sycamore dps also helps

[old orchid]

i wanted to recommend egg Sylveon for Fairy Zone with BP Valerie

[keen jasper]

Well, now I'm gonna play with RNG on bug-weak Lucian with having x3 damage to strike and tech units

[dark osprey]

Oh. I guess that works. I tried with BP Valerie and she seems good. Just that she's weak to ground which is a pain with earthquakes

[old orchid]

just finish the sides quickly

[verbal karma]

Okay, I finally settled on R2 Olivia and am considering R3 Flint, so...

...R1 Malva or R1 Shauntal and why?

[steel kelp]

It doesn’t matter

[olive aspen]

Heyy trallnar! Thank you so much for the insights! Wanted to show you the complete HoF hahah but fell asleep before clearing Champ battle. Only missing that one right now. Gonna try it at this moment

[wet gate]

who is a steel sp atker?

i only have solgaleo

[old orchid]

Raihan, Summer Tate and strike Perserrker

Olivia doesnt have Wise Entry x2 gimmick, so just use your strongest Steel type there

[wet gate]

i dont have any of those

ok

solgaleo it is

[lunar meadow]

@olive aspen
Good luck!

[swift swan]

It doesn't matter, both are special oriented. But r1 ruins quadqueue so it depends on your team

[verbal karma]

Team 97 and Team 98 have a support with Adrenaline

97 is a rain team while 98 isn't

[keen jasper]

I'd save Eusine for Malva

[swift swan]

Then you're fine regardless

[verbal karma]

Sounds like R4 Malva to me then

Which means R1 Shauntal

[keen jasper]

Your Eusine team can do some sync CD cheesing

But do you usually use gimmicky parameters?

[lunar meadow]

How TF do you navigate 98 teams, rip

[keen jasper]

Like -3 sync CD?

[verbal karma]

Now the question is: does R1 Shauntal want a rain team or nah?

[verbal karma]

100 teams, and very carefully

[keen jasper]

Shauntal only does sun after her 1st sync

But it wouldn't hurt to have a rain unit to deal more damage

[verbal karma]

Ah, I am planning to presync anyway

[lunar meadow]

I have 18 monotype teams
The 19th team is the current region daily.

Then I only ever have like 2 more teams at most. For active event bonuses.

[verbal karma]

Hmm...which opponent needs rain the least?

[keen jasper]

Flint

He doesn't set up sun

But Malva on the other hand...

[verbal karma]

Alright, Team 97 for R1 Shauntal then

Team 99 for R4 Malva

Team 98 for R3 Flint

Team 100 for R5

[keen jasper]

I wonder, have you ever tried parameters like -2 sync CD and half HP?

[verbal karma]

Team 96 for R2 Olivia

Thanks, I finally have a plan

[keen jasper]

Tell me

[lunar meadow]

Anyone want to issue me a challenge to try to beat CS with?

[keen jasper]

20k pts. with general pool units

[lunar meadow]

Lol, I'll see...
I'm adding in all f2p, so story, BP, and legendary event

[keen jasper]

Makes sense

[hardy cloud]

This seems so complicated

[keen jasper]

What is?

[hardy cloud]

I’m gonna learn how to do it but right now I’m so overstimulated lmao

The battle mechs for cs and just the game in general

Reading that quad queue thing had me buggin

[keen jasper]

Just do the best you can in this mode

[hardy cloud]

I’m not even sure where to start

[keen jasper]

There are presets guides for you in pins

[steel kelp]

Do not be goaded into 3k

No one is forcing you

[keen jasper]

And yeah, you can do small points at first until you have a developed enough roster to do 3k

[verbal karma]

Okay, this team isn't working out for me, and it's entirely Sonia's fault

[olive aspen]

Yeah I think 2k is more than enough of a challenge for an account with limited roster

[steel kelp]

It’s not sonia

[hardy cloud]

Nah my attention is just being yanked in all different directions on what to do (not by anyone just by the game) and it’s making my head spin

[keen jasper]

Just take it slow

[steel kelp]

Cs is like the last thing to worry about

[hardy cloud]

Yeah. Trying.

Okay that makes me feel better.

[verbal karma]

No, it 100% is Sonia
Either the opponent attacks her in a turn that triggers her passive and prevents quadqueue or she takes 75% damage from one Iron Head or even one Stomping Tantrum

[steel kelp]

It’s the closest to an endgame this game has

[hardy cloud]

I have been focusing on events to clear their respective shops of what I think I need.

[old orchid]

but you should clear hard mode of CS to get wonderful rewards

[hardy cloud]

Yes

[old orchid]

or 850 pts in Master Mode, which is not too different from hard mode

[hardy cloud]

I want the rewards very badly lol

[old orchid]

for now, develop your roster

[verbal karma]

So...who to replace Sonia with?

[tribal agate]

?

that team should crush that

Sonia isn't the issue

[keen jasper]

That's a you problem really, Nessa should just spam Razor Shell over and over

[tribal agate]

well no first put the restrain

then spam razor lol

[keen jasper]

Oh yeah, forgot about her restrain multipliers

[verbal karma]

I mean...the problems I am currently having all originate from Sonia

[tribal agate]

how so

[verbal karma]

Sonia is weirdly squishy, and she does have that passive that can screw up quadqueing if I am unlucky with enemy RNG

[steel kelp]

Sonia is not squishy

[keen jasper]

Are you even using her TM to buff defenses?

[tribal agate]

she isn't squishy, if you can't quadqueue then use turn denial

[verbal karma]

she takes 75% damage from not only Iron Head, but also Stomping Tantrum

how is that "not squishy"?

[tribal agate]

that means your parameters are wrong

[silver dirge]

Can you send your in-game parameters?

[tribal agate]

iron head doing 75% damage is insane

[verbal karma]

I mean, I don't see anything wrong with them

[keen jasper]

Actually, that's possible

[steel kelp]

It’s always params

[tribal agate]

yeah with improper params, Sonia buffs her def and is one of the bulkiest pair in the game

[keen jasper]

Iron Head's BP is so high even if it's the first move

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[tribal agate]

damn she got beat

she's around there tho
litteraly the 11th pair lmao

[silver dirge]

Calem

[steel kelp]

Ew argenta

[verbal karma]

Well, how are those params then?

[silver dirge]

Defense..

[tribal agate]

you run all ATK params

and are worried about squishiness

[steel kelp]

Bruh

[tribal agate]

i mean what did you expect

[keen jasper]

How brave of you to use defense parameters too

[steel kelp]

Have you read your params

Why is physical reduction on

[tribal agate]

oh yeah that too

[keen jasper]

You'd rather not take a risk

[silver dirge]

Yikes

Physical DR & Defense 4, how are you expecting Nessa to do damage?

[keen jasper]

@verbal karma Did you put Physical Damage Reduction 8 for a reason or did you forget about it?

[halcyon sail]

This is a certified parameter moment

[silver dirge]

[keen jasper]

I only take defense parameter as a last resort to my 4k per stage challenge

[olive aspen]

Kukui really doesnt chill in battle

@lunar meadow easy 10k thanks for the tips, changed a little some teams but things worked out well!

[verbal karma]

...I forgot about it

Good eye

[olive aspen]

Felt more comfortable with sceptile than erika on kukui cuz solar blade and sunny day are pain

[keen jasper]

I'm not the one who mentioned it first

[keen jasper]

Also, what about the defense parameters you chose?

[mellow linden]

I’m gonna say it rn: If Sonia is getting hit hard by enemy moves other Supports are not gonna fare any better

[silver dirge]

The 50 point damage reduction is bypassed by crits, you should pick it up. Just make sure you don't pick up the 100 point one

[verbal karma]

I forgot to turn it off from R1
But good eye

[silver dirge]

And drop those defense parameters

[verbal karma]

I tried to pick the smallest ones

[silver dirge]

Don't touch defense

[keen jasper]

Yeah, don't bother with those at all

[silver dirge]

(Defense 3) That's a 30% increase to the base defensive stats it's directly cutting down your damage

[lunar meadow]

Congrats!

[verbal karma]

I dunno what else to pick, tho

[keen jasper]

Pick a few HP parameters instead

Or

[keen jasper]

You can use cheese parameters

[silver dirge]

Do you have gradual healing picked up?

Oh yep you do

[verbal karma]

Well, replaced the Def ^3 with HP ^2, at least

[keen jasper]

Ok, good

[keen jasper]

But tell me, do you use parameters like half HP and -2 sync?

[olive aspen]

Now time to off type whole water stadium

[verbal karma]

Nope

-2 sync would prevent presyncing

[silver dirge]

Try it first with the change from Defense into HP

[keen jasper]

So you'd rather take it slow than brute force things

Or is brute forcing not your style?

[verbal karma]

Err...well, I just prefer to presync in CS

[keen jasper]

You can still brute force while pre-syncing

If I had Eusine, I can do -1 and -2 sync CD parameters with half HP parameters for free 450 pts.

But I guess you're into gimmicky parameters

[verbal karma]

I am just into winning reliably without too much RNG

and speaking of RNG: mid sadly uses an attack 90% of a time for the third opponent move, and that prevents presyncing due to Sonia's passive

[keen jasper]

If I show you a clear using that team, will you stop complaining?

[lunar meadow]

I did about 17000-17500 points, free to play.

Had some fun with the ghost type fight.

[keen jasper]

Huh, went even better than I expected

[lunar meadow]

Team building is a lot more freeing when you take out monotype restrictions 🤣

I usually default to monotype in CS

[verbal karma]

...I am, I don't doubt that it's possible, it very probably is
It just depends too much on RNG to be worth it imo

I would like to use something a little more...guaranteed...

[lunar meadow]

The kahili fight i wiped on a few times.

Olivia and Acerola were super easy, and the kukui fight only sucked because no sun mpr. But Mortmagius flinches are why I didn't have to reset.

[keen jasper]

My Sonia has Adrenaline and I got lucky on T5 with Olivia using X Speed All, but I still managed

[verbal karma]

Ah...I sadly don't have enough Lucky Cookies to gamble for Adrenaline

[winged pelican]

Im struggling hard with 2500 Malva. She either does double hyper voice and kills my squishies. Or she has the most inconsistent dark pulse ever that sometimes one shots eevee and other times doesnt

[verbal karma]

That said, Hop has Adrenaline

is Hop a good enough replacement?

[keen jasper]

Then use him instead

Also enemies do ground moves and no one from Olivia uses fire moves

[old orchid]

did you replace her sun with another weather?

[verbal karma]

Funnily enough, I was originally going to, but countless people told me to use Sonia instead

[winged pelican]

Do i need to do that as soon as the fight starts?

[old orchid]

no need to ping me btw

[lunar meadow]

In the water type special CS, I believe she has a huge damage buff when sun is up. Even to non-fire damage.

If you remove sun, I think her dark pulses get significantly less scary

[silver dirge]

She has Charging Sun 5 yes

[winged pelican]

That...explains alot ill use rain as soon as it starts

[silver dirge]

If a CS stage is setting some sort of field (wtz) effect, it's almost always mandatory to remove/replace it. Or take out mid before they get the chance to use it if they set it before sync

[keen jasper]

If they set up zone and you don't have any zone setters or you have a zone unit but it sets up the same zone as the enemy, then you opt for a defog unit

[lunar meadow]

Staraptor and Altaria being the free options.
And I think BP Falkner/Pidgeot might have it too?

[keen jasper]

They do

So far, BP Falkner is the most free option of Defog

[verbal karma]

Okay, switching to Hop 100% helped

[lunar meadow]

I like his swellow, but his BP unit is one of the few I've found no use for uet

[silver dirge]

Defog also allows you to pick Crit Shield for a free 150 pts, and an extra 150 if you're not making use of terrain/zone

[keen jasper]

So, did you clear it or not yet?

[lunar meadow]

This, I did not know!
Interesting

[keen jasper]

Wait really?

[verbal karma]

I did

[keen jasper]

Well, good for you

Now who's next?

[silver dirge]

Yea can be pretty handy. Defog removes crit shield and non-weather field effects iirc

[cinder summit]

<:CATEGORY_STATUS:967450751955771402> <:TYPE_FLYING:967452395820945438> Defog

Gauge: 2 | Power: - | Accuracy: - | Uses: 2
Target: An opponent
Effect Tag: -
Clears the entire terrain and zone effects. Clears all field effects from the opponents' field of play. Lowers the target's evasiveness by 1 stat rank.

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Falkner & Pidgeot
Darach & Staraptor
Lisia & Altaria

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[silver dirge]

[lunar meadow]

I don't think it removes Light Screen or Reflect

[silver dirge]

By description it should

[lunar meadow]

Or did they...

[old orchid]

it does

[lunar meadow]

Huh, I know Brick Break and Lycanroc-day sync did light screen/reflect

Does defog get rid of damage fields?

Like, if I set up stealth rocks, does defog remove it from their field?

[old orchid]

yes

[lunar meadow]

Lame, but I guess at least it is consistent.

Based on the wording, it wouldn't clear off rocks set for our own side of the field

[winged pelican]

Is there a 2500 set up that makes them hit less hard? I got rid of Malvas sun and survived the hyper voice. Healed up. And died from 80% HP to an overheat

[silver dirge]

Correct

[silver dirge]

Are you running max attack?

You can replace some of it for additional strength or HP instead

Also what round is this?

[lunar meadow]

Bringing a special attack debuffer, or a special defence buffer help.

Also, if you are going max attack and not pre-syncing, I'd swap to +str parameters. Easier to clear post-sync if you don't have the best units.

[winged pelican]

Im running https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r2iVMWPUxVYYVxA-VLIN1Bl6QDFiVQNju1MUai3CKbE/edit#gid=726715248 the pre sync 2500 from this. I think its all +str

[winged pelican]

Was running LeafEX, Winona, and Cyrus

[silver dirge]

It's not R2 is it?

[winged pelican]

No R1

I just reset

My units if that helps

[north crown]

I just don't understand how Leaf got 2 hit

Didn't I suggest swappping to Rosa? She's also an EX support

[winged pelican]

Yea but rosa cant heal

[north crown]

She has really good spdef bulk.. wait who are you fighting?

[winged pelican]

Cause of all the damage reductions

[north crown]

master healer 2 giga drain

[winged pelican]

Her drain does like 2 damage

[winged pelican]

mhm just tried that she healed 2.

[north crown]

no fucking way why is sycamore the only one with good heals with cs params?

they literally both have the same passive. ig horn leech is goated

[winged pelican]

It might be my parameters or something cause shes not doing any damage to heal off of.

[north crown]

can we see those?

[mellow linden]

Tbh moves that heal based on the damage dealt got a big nerf with the advent of Damage Reduction 8 parameters

[crystal notch]

it's probably some SDR/PDR shenanigan

if horn leech goes through

but giga drain doesn't (special vs phys)

[winged pelican]

Im just using the 2500 points Pre-Sync (More HP) on type recommendations from the pins. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r2iVMWPUxVYYVxA-VLIN1Bl6QDFiVQNju1MUai3CKbE/edit#gid=726715248

[verbal karma]

Either I picked the wrong parameters again

Or I picked the wrong support again

Fire Blast does too much damage and happens too frequently, and then there's also Burn RNG I have to worry about

[lunar meadow]

Samurott has no defensive bulk. It is a support, but not a tank.

[north crown]

wtf is Gladion doing there?

[lunar meadow]

Samurott, Feraligatr, and a tank would work

[north crown]

def debuffer would work too

[verbal karma]

Well, Gladion is supposed to be a Hybrid between def debuffer and additional DPS

[lunar meadow]

No.
It's not ☠️

As someone who has used Silvally to clear CSMM many times, Silvally is not a defbuffer 🤣🤣🤣

[north crown]

bro doesn't even do any of those roles v well

[lunar meadow]

You could throw almost any tank with Feraligatr and Samurott and probably be fine.

Mistyduck, Blastoise, Mortmagius, Vespiquen, etc

[north crown]

holdup isn't Kris self sufficient? You could easily go:

• Tank, Kris, Rain/Debuffer

[halcyon sail]

Flint is one of the harder battles, if you struggle pick stronger pairs

[lunar meadow]

She's ok at self-sufficiency, but id also bring an offense buffer so she can just Kick. ||I'd probably use Zamazenta or Yamper, for tanking while buffing. That still leaves a spot for a rain.||

[verbal karma]

I only have 4 Rain setters, and they are all already reserved

[north crown]

then debuffer

[verbal karma]

I already used Zamazenta, and Sonia would lead to the quadqueue issues again

[north crown]

then grab a debuffer with reliable flinch ez

[swift swan]

As someone who has used Silvally as a registeel debuffer, give up on it 💀

[steel kelp]

Gladion just seems useless at everything

[verbal karma]

I don't think I have someone who can both debuff defense AND flinch reliably

[north crown]

@winged pelican Did you read the Important Disclaimer in the CSMM Preset Options Sheet?

[swift swan]

Reset until you don't get hit by fire blast. I'm sorry but even proper tanks struggle tanking it, let alone Hilbert

[steel kelp]

It’s flint

[verbal karma]

😦

[steel kelp]

He’s always been like this

[swift swan]

Please drop the defense, you're making it harder for yourself. Kris's mega kick is enough to KO flint after supp EX. get rid of that HP2, replace with strength

Kris doesn't need the defense debuffs from Gladion

[north crown]

Either you pray to rng jesus, or you build some OP tanky team for post sync instead

[verbal karma]

What to replace it with then?

[swift swan]

If the fire blast is what you're worried about, get a flincher. That way you don't need stat reduction

[steel kelp]

hilbert is the flincher

[clever jasper]

Kinda struggling with Leaf, I've run out of reliavle buffers and sweepers...