Champion Stadium

[rigid flint]

Here lemme give you my grid

[plush tangle]

Heck you dont even need sharp entry and ramp up with surge and Roxanne

[dim depot]

worth it to add on paralysis synergy?

[plush tangle]

True since you paralyse it's worth

[rigid flint]

I use this absolute amalgamation of a grid

But it's purely cos I like freeze shenanigans with Pryce

[rigid flint]

The paralyse grid is much more reliable

[dim depot]

Oh yes yes I see. This is way more suitable to this battle

[dim depot]

The attack missed

[old orchid]

try again

[dim depot]

I got lucky enough that time

[plush tangle]

Gg

[dim depot]

Thank you all so much for the help.

Here's the hall of fame I ended up with.

[mellow linden]

Why is Elio’s pokemon not fully evolved?

[plush tangle]

I have so many questions

You having that Bugsy means you're an old player
Why are your units so weak

[mellow linden]

Also, level 120 is extremely cheap, I see no reason to not bring your pairs to that level if you’re using them

[plush tangle]

This is the most chaotic CS screenshot I've ever seen I think lol

[nocturne pawn]

is

is this mm

if it is im extraordinarily surprised

[dim depot]

If a unit is good enough, they can carry at a lower level. Then there are those events that require certain units for points multipliers and I hate it when they hit the level cap. So they'll all get up there eventually.

[zealous karma]

why ?

[dim depot]

But yeah i got all the points. Even though there looks like there was nothing worth it after the yellow coin.

[zealous karma]

the gap between lvl 100 and 125 is really big

[nocturne pawn]

just

level your shit to 125

[plush tangle]

I've been playing since way less than you and all my units are lvl 140

Like wtf

[zealous karma]

I think I can 140 everything but favs are reserved for that

[mellow linden]

I mean, if it works it works, but IMO the xp from actually doing stages is kinda meaningless given how many books we get nowadays

[nocturne pawn]

i literally have never run the risk of running out of books like ever

and that was way before lodge

[paper summit]

only new players have that kind of "shortage"

[dim depot]

I never use books unless I have to level eggmons. A good unit is a good unit. A good strat is a good strat.

[nocturne pawn]

yeah but they're not new

so i find anything below 120 is extremely weird

[nocturne pawn]

good units become better if you level them...

like what is this logic

[paper summit]

XP is like, the least of the things where you should have a hoarding mentality...

[nocturne pawn]

like a level 1 ash isnt gonna do shit

[dim depot]

Level 90 Ash already destroys everything so I didn't see the reason to go further.

[nocturne pawn]

what the fuck...

ok im just gonna say this

if you refuse to level your units dont complain when you have trouble

[dim depot]

I just hope level is the last problem I have to deal with.

[mellow linden]

To be 100% honest, yeah, if you’re gonna leave your pairs below even level 100 when level 120 is generally the minimum then the majority of your struggles will be the consequences of your own actions

[nocturne pawn]

if you leveled your shit most of your problems wouldnt be happening

[paper summit]

why do you even want to hoard the XP books in the first place? what good will they do just sitting there and then you come here and complain because your battles are going wrong?

it's a nonsensical handicap

[zealous karma]

\

[dim depot]

I'll think about it.

[nocturne pawn]

bruh

[grand steppe]

I can't wait for Lv. 90 Ash off-region EBE clear post.

[tame gust]

At the risk of sounding rude.. That logic is so confusing that I’m currently unable to see straight.

[rigid flint]

I am dumbfounded

If ash is destroying at level 90 doesn’t that mean that’s more the reason to level him up to destroy higher level stages???

[nocturne pawn]

yeah the logic makes no sense

[manic kiln]

Leveling up is the easiest and most accessible way to strengthen your units. Hoarding exp book in 2023 is weird. In 2020 sure

[north crown]

Who here needs help?

[tame gust]

oh, huh this is my first run of hoenn CS. No MM for me this week

[north crown]

Ah, ig that’s why there hasn’t been many who are asking for help.

[nocturne pawn]

r3 phoebe is easier than r3 sidney righr

[old orchid]

depends on your nuker

[north crown]

idk haven’t attempted and forgot everything in last hoenn rotation

[old orchid]

if you have Anni Skyla for example, you can nuke Sidney within the first sync, assuming you go for pre sync

do you have Bea? she can nuke Glacia first sync with 3/5

[nocturne pawn]

i did her r2

i dont trust her on half sync personally

which is r3 this week

[old orchid]

who are your dmg dealers on Phoebe and Sidney?

[nocturne pawn]

i mean i did it already

but phoebe was really jank

i just off typed sidney cuz dude has too much hp🧍🏾‍♂️

[crisp quest]

[nocturne pawn]

thats also the first time ive seen someone use an eggmon beyond self imposed challenge

[north crown]

Me when I used nidoqueen for stall

[crisp quest]

You what

[cinder summit]

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Player & Nidoqueen

‎ Type: ‎　‎　Weak:

Level 140 Stats:

HP: 600
ATK: 178 | DEF: 125
SPA: 178 | SPD: 125
SPE: 324

Acquisition:

Egg Hatching

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[nocturne pawn]

why tho

[old orchid]

Venom Drench

[nocturne pawn]

but those defenses

[old orchid]

opponents with stall params dont hit hard

and at 4* it has decent stats

[north crown]

I can vouch

It survived the entire fight

Well in some stages…

[nocturne pawn]

why did it default to shiny

[north crown]

The healing on tm helps

[nocturne pawn]

im violated by that puke ass green now

[grand steppe]

I'm too lazy to make the non-shiny versions.

[nocturne pawn]

ok thats fsur

but nidoqueen shiny is 🤢

[grand steppe]

At least you can tell right away that it's shiny.

[nocturne pawn]

yeah cuz its fucking ugly

[noble plaza]

Is there a recommended order for Hoenn cs this week?

[old orchid]

R1 on physical stages, avoid Phoebe or Glacia on R4

be careful with R3

[noble plaza]

Which ones are the physical stages? I know Drake is but he also has low defense

Although crits bypass that right?

[old orchid]

yes

its basically Reflect at the start

Sidney and Phoebe are mixed

Drake is purely physical

[nocturne pawn]

yeah r1 drake is the easiest way to handle it

[vast dome]

Drake hurts like hell

And what is this special stadium

I'm not doing it. Drake's too bulky

It being the Special Stadium

[paper summit]

he's not tho? unless you are using special units

[vast dome]

I'm using special units

[paper summit]

then don't, he has Wise Entry x2, so use physical pairs

[vast dome]

I'm not wise at all

[paper summit]

and get rid of sand

[toxic cobalt]

[vast dome]

I am using her

Abomasnow

[toxic cobalt]

The physical one

[vast dome]

And save her BP for another round, right?

[toxic cobalt]

What team was this then?

[vast dome]

Skyla and Falkner EX with BP Candace

I feel like a right idiot not seeing the Wise Entry.

Who'd I clear him with last time

SS Blue, BP Candice and Ghetsis.

My go-to Ice Team

Guess I'll have to use Summer Steven then, my only viable Physical Ice Striker.

There's also Hala, who I don't use

[swift swan]

Hala is pretty good

[vast dome]

SS Morty, Hala and who else?

[toxic cobalt]

Which round is this?

[vast dome]

1

Getting over the hump that is

[toxic cobalt]

Oh nice. You can probably just run a flincher then.

[swift swan]

ice CS right?

then r1 is perma field effects

[toxic cobalt]

Yeah. SS Morty MGA forever

[swift swan]

no quadqueue ruined!

[vast dome]

I have Kukui set as a flincher

[toxic cobalt]

Sure, leer is leer

Also good

[urban cave]

How do I beat Sidney on Hard

[toxic cobalt]

Your best flying type, he's a bit bulky

[urban cave]

The main problem he's causing is Dpulse wiping m

[toxic cobalt]

Is your tank weak to dark?

[urban cave]

Neutral

But it's getting 2 shotted after X SpA

[toxic cobalt]

Sounds like bad luck

Getting 2 dark pulse should be rare enough

[urban cave]

Like without crit

[toxic cobalt]

Going to need a bit more info about what's going wrong.

He shouldn't hit you that many times, and you should have spdef to counter

[urban cave]

What does "I have SpDef to counter"?

[toxic cobalt]

Means your tank should be buffing special defence

[urban cave]

Which tank buffs SpDef?

[swift swan]

depends on what you have. misty, swimmisty, bp morty, elio among others

you can use the /search command on #bot-zone

[urban cave]

What about gridded Roxanne and Bignose

[swift swan]

hmmm she buffs defense faster, but sure, she can buff sp def too

[toxic cobalt]

She will die to dark pulse though

[urban cave]

I'm trying to use a team of Blue, Jirachi and misc. tank

I don't actually know if I want to use SS Blue as the misc tank since it can be useful for the Water champion

[toxic cobalt]

What is Jirachi doing for this team?

[urban cave]

Decreases SpDef

[toxic cobalt]

Probably more useful ot actually buff blue

[urban cave]

What?

Also should I use Mray

[toxic cobalt]

You want to get Blue up to +6spa and +3 crit

You can use Zinnia if you want

[hidden ore]

Ice Stadium Koga r4 and I still don’t know what params to use + if the team’s good

They died to sync

[old orchid]

use the post sync param then

Eusine appreciates another Ice dmg dealer as teammate

toss Mina unless you use B Surf

[hidden ore]

My ice options: Pryce, Irida, Gilbert, BP Candice
I mostly used Blizzard in this match

Irida & BP Candice I want for Marnie (idk if that makes sense)

[old orchid]

you can use Gilbert

note that for Marnie's stage, you need to inflict a status condition like paralysis

[hidden ore]

Gilbert with Eusine?

And who to supp

[old orchid]

SS Blue is fine

[hidden ore]

F
I just don’t know what I’m doing

Maybe Gilbert alone is better

[old orchid]

what param are you using

[hidden ore]

Off type post sync

[old orchid]

is it the same one in the pins?

i see the problem

[hidden ore]

Yes, but maybe i gave too much atk

[old orchid]

switch to on type post sync

Techno Blast automatically switchs to Ice type

it might also be grid problem

whats move level of Gilbert and Eusine?

[hidden ore]

Gilbert & Eusine are 1/5 gridded, with Gilbert being EX

140 eusine & 150 gilbert

[old orchid]

do you do triple queue properly?

[hidden ore]

Yes

Params problem I think

[old orchid]

try again with on type post sync param pinned here then

[hidden ore]

Ss Blue’s grid

[old orchid]

he is only 1/5 so it doesnt matter

[rigid flint]

Well

Marnie has Healthy Advantage

So you wanna inflict a status condition on her

[old orchid]

i already told them about her gimmick

[rigid flint]

Ahdhjhsf

This is koga

Now I'm confused

Eusine and Hilbert together should be doing a lotta damage

[old orchid]

might be params issue

i did tell them about checking param sets in the pins

hope they beat Koga now

[hidden ore]

Again param issue

My Blue always faints

Post sync params on type

[violet timber]

did you do support *3 dmg

[hidden ore]

I didn’t use sync on him

I use buffs first

[plush tangle]

And you dont have like... Proper ice types with ice syncs ?

[hushed sorrel]

Ss Leaf. Ss morty. Janine. Officially my most broken team lol

[old orchid]

Try Pryce instead of Eusine

[plush tangle]

That moment you poke fair that you pulled with your precious gems is useless compared to the 3* story unit nobody uses

[hushed sorrel]

I tried Eusine as well it was haaaard.

And then I just poison stalled

[old orchid]

his Blizzard isnt appealing at base

[plush tangle]

.........wait

Why isnt Koga trapped

Trapping is what makes Eusine's DPS good

[old orchid]

[hushed sorrel]

But Eusine just don't cut it though it won't survive the sync

I tried spamming Muddy Water and Surf

[plush tangle]

[old orchid]

they have tools to support Blizzard tho

[hushed sorrel]

Don't know I tried using blizzard it felt weak. Prob didn't give it enough try.

O I actually used Bea R4 params

[plush tangle]

"oh my on type move doesnt work lets try the off type move"

[hushed sorrel]

Haha but I did try using Eusine May and SS Blue it was hard. It's like the only team I have that has full grid as well.

[hidden ore]

Gonna try trap method, but Koga’s HP is 💀

I have params problem

Maybe I’ll replace Ss Blue with a potion pair

[plush tangle]

Trap isnt what's doing damage, but having opponents trap makes you deal more damage

You have to trap them otherwise Eusine is a wet noodle

[old orchid]

Koga has like 17k HP which is the lowest among the entire Ice stadium

[formal vigil]

So does shauntal

[old orchid]

[hidden ore]

Not sure if the round’s problematic

Or params

[hushed sorrel]

What round are you on

[formal vigil]

Probably stacking too many strength parmeters

[hidden ore]

Round 4

And Koga last

[rigid flint]

Hmm

Well what params are you using?

[old orchid]

do you follow the on type pre sync params pinned here?

also like Mael said, trap them to activate Eusine's multiplier

[hidden ore]

Ah I misread it as ontype post sync
Maybe thats why

I added something to avoid certain things

[rigid flint]

HP?

[hidden ore]

This is the one I used (dont know how to compile images on mobile)

[rigid flint]

Right

So you'll want to remove Interference Immunity

[hidden ore]

I have the last strenght checked too

[rigid flint]

Take away Strength ^ 3

And replace that with Power on Hit ^ 2 and Sync Buff ^ 5

[hushed sorrel]

Also I thought off type pre sync you take off damage reductions

[rigid flint]

Well it's not off type anymore

Since we're gonna just be using Blizzard on Eusine

I believe B Surf does more damage at 1/5 off type as compared to Blizzard but let's just use Blizzard for now

[hidden ore]

Something to replace again?

[rigid flint]

You could choose Def and SpDef ^ 1

Shouldn't affect much

But just make sure to use Whirlpool on Eusine before using Blizzard

[old orchid]

i would pick Gradual Healing

Gilbert's dps is very high

[plush tangle]

No ??

126 vs 160 bp

252 with super effective

[hidden ore]

Pick No stat reduction?

With Gilbert it isn’t good I think

[old orchid]

pick Gradual Heal

[rigid flint]

Huh

[hushed sorrel]

O gg I just took off the immunity and Koga got owned

lolol trap made a huge difference

[rigid flint]

Well when there's a 50% multiplier involved

There's a big difference

[hidden ore]

Am I doing it right?

[hushed sorrel]

Do you have May? I just did it with rain and surf

And I think wise entry would help on blastoise since sludge bomb is special damage

[hidden ore]

Okay I DID it

Thank you for the param help

Trapped Crobat

Then Eusine & Gilbert started doing their jobs

[hushed sorrel]

[hidden ore]

Synced with Blue 2 times

10k achieved

[hushed sorrel]

Wooot

This is quite satisfying to look at. So much debuffffffs

[vast dome]

Cleared Drake with Hala

[hidden ore]

My Eusine rewarded the chase I did for him
Blizzard never missed (and no weather here) & 1/5 no ex

[hushed sorrel]

What grid did you use

[vast dome]

Karen vs Phoebe should be manageable

[old orchid]

They only have 1/5 Eusine

[old orchid]

She should, as long as you set up her multipliers

[hidden ore]

This should kill Marnie, got unlucky on brave bird paralysis

Gonna try again

Curious what parameters y’all used for Marnie

[old orchid]

This team can easily clear pre sync

Just remember to paralyze Marnie

[swift swan]

[plush tangle]

Freeze* but yeah you need the status absolutely

[trail smelt]

Carnie? I think I used the R2 status one?

[old orchid]

Red has Body Slam HE1 tho

[hidden ore]

Yeah, I almost killed her but then no para stop killed Irida before she could finish Marnie

[plush tangle]

ik lol

[old orchid]

[hidden ore]

Irida sync or Candice 🤔

[old orchid]

Irida

[swift swan]

irida absolutely

[plush tangle]

Red

[hidden ore]

Tf is no rng luck

[mellow linden]

I would legitimately recommend clicking Body Slam turn 1 (or if not possible turn 1 then ASAP) and resetting if it doesn't Paralyze

[nocturne pawn]

hes 3/5 grid for hostile environment too

[swift swan]

+1 sync buff? did you not sync with red first?

[hidden ore]

Nope

The rng with paralysis not stopping Moltres is what killed my try

Birb was paralyzed

[mellow linden]

There shouldn't be any issues KOing if you do Support EX Sync 1st, especially if you wait to use B Ice Beam until after that

Marnie shouldn't even be able to Sync, you should be able to Sync twice before she can even Sync once

Especially since you have Red's Sync accel from his Trainer Move

[swift swan]

red even has adrenaline if you want to take that

[swift swan]

follow this

[dark osprey]

One super effective up next B move from Irida post support EX sync may almost ohko Marnie

[hidden ore]

Thanks for help with Red sync first

I gave SE next before Irida’s sync

Then rng shined on fiery wrath and Moltres got killed by hail dmg

[wooden palm]

New player here.is champion stadium really this difficult need some help clearing the hoeen challenge

[mellow linden]

Have you completed any fights yet, or are you still doing round 1?

[hidden ore]

What’s your roster and do you aim for type medal?

[hybrid delta]

Damn ice and fly was hard this week

[mellow linden]

Just a heads up that we actually have a dedicated place where you can make your own thread for CS clears in #1010274591601598555

[hybrid delta]

Sorry

[mellow linden]

Not a big deal, just something to keep in mind since it’s cool to have your own thread there anyways

[hybrid delta]

Yep

[radiant sorrel]

Is there an optimal order to clear champion stadium?

[old orchid]

Drake is recommended to fight on R1
Take advantage of R2 param to use permanent field effects
Be careful with everyone on R3
Avoid Glacia and Phoebe on R4

[wooden palm]

I only have done the victory road so

[mellow linden]

Not particularly, just carefully plan your Round 3 and maybe avoid Glacia and/or Phoebe on Round 4

[wooden palm]

My 5* roster so far

I just started few days ago

[mellow linden]

Could you show us your entire roster (3- and 4-stars included) from the Move Level menu? Alternatively you can use the tracker (which I’ll drop a link and tutorial for shortly)

+tracker

[frozen depot]

Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button

[wooden palm]

Ay thanks

I thought this game doesn't have tracker for how many unit they have

[mellow linden]

None in-game, sadly. But that one right there is pretty good once you’ve got it figured out

[wooden palm]

Never seen anyone post it

Fuck my internet slow rn

Is it fine if I post my unit by screenshot for now

[mellow linden]

Screenshots are fine, just make sure it’s from the Move Level menu since Move Level is way more impactful than whether a pair is EX or not

[wooden palm]

I can't log in to my game either

[mellow linden]

Welp

[wooden palm]

I just send it later after I got better connection

[mellow linden]

Uh, I guess I’ll assume you have any relevant low-rarity pairs I mention for now and we can adjust accordingly later

[mellow linden]

So since this is Hard Mode, teambuilding is a lot more relaxed than it would be on Master Mode. You can build a team around:

• Korrina for Glacia

• Blue for Sidney

• Ghetsis for Drake (not the most ideal since Drake has Wise Entry x2, but since it’s Hard Mode it should be fine

• Cyrus for Phoebe (sadly you’re kinda lacking in Dark type damage-dealers for now)

• Archie for Steven

And be fine. Have you read the teambuilding 101?

[wooden palm]

Already

1 DPS 1 support and the other slot is anything that can work well right

[mellow linden]

The 3rd slot depends on whether your 1st Support can meet the damage-dealer’s needs

If they can then the 3rd can be something like a debuffer or someone who sets the appropriate field effect

As an additional note, try to shoot for 9-12 different types (that’s the type of the Sync Move, for reference) across your 5 teams so that you can more easily complete type medal

[wooden palm]

Ic

[wooden palm]

Blue you mean the one with Pidgeot?

[mellow linden]

Yep

[long thicket]

So I actually struggle with 2k for the first time in a while.
I got Drake down after a couple tries.

Maybe I should try Blue instead of Ethan for Sidney.

[mellow linden]

SS Ethan blows Blue out of the water

[long thicket]

Then I should give him other allies than Skyla and Falkner, maybe.

[mellow linden]

Yeah, you don’t need to run monotype teams

[long thicket]

I still struggle to tell when physical or special is more appropriate.

[mellow linden]

Usually it doesn’t matter, it’s when there’s an Entry x2 passive that it becomes important

This week Drake has Wise Entry x2 (so you wanna use physical if possible) and Phoebe has Sentry Entry x2 (so you wanna use special if possible)

[long thicket]

I should EX Lillie because she's my go-to and I don't have an EX Ghost striker yet.
Soon enough, I suppose.

[mellow linden]

Well Phoebe is weak to Dark this week, so you’re fine for now

[long thicket]

Oh yeah, I was thinking Ghost for some reason, but eh.

Gonna need Cyrus to counter her Ghost zone, even if sleeping won't work.

[mellow linden]

Why wouldn’t Sleep work?

[long thicket]

Parameters. I know I can switch a thing or two, but then there's the chance that I forget to put it back for another fight.

[mellow linden]

You can just make a new preset

If you goof and forget to switch back to the old preset on a different stage all it costs is some time, so no big deal at all

Source: have goofed and forgotten to use the correct preset before

[long thicket]

Yeah, I get it.
Got Sidney with Blue, lodge Serena and EX Sycamore. Took a bit of a waiting game, though.

[wooden palm]

How much champion spirit do we get weekly

[mellow linden]

Depends on whether you’re doing Master Mode and if so how many points you’re getting

On Hard Mode you get 25 per week

[keen jasper]

Champion spirits are abundant

[long thicket]

So ideally, I should have a preset for 2k, one for 2k I could use for switching things up, maybe a 2.5k whenever we get a region I find less strict.

[mellow linden]

Sure

[long thicket]

Doing 2k as much as I can, I think I get enough for a new EX each week.

So 50. Or at least very close to that.

Gosh, I remember joining this server because I couldn't even beat the regular difficulty...

[mellow linden]

It is worth noting that if you haven’t messed around with the parameters that were added with 2.5k yet, you can get 2.5k with almost no added difficulty over the old 2k

[radiant sorrel]

I finished doing the tracker, how do I save and send it here?

[old orchid]

find Image button, then click on it

an image will be generated at the bottom, save or copy paste it then send here

[radiant sorrel]

Oh there

[vast dome]

Am I able to replace Ghost Wish with something else or not

[radiant sorrel]

Here's all my units, how should I tackle champion stadium

[old orchid]

it would be nice if you filter out non have units and order by types

[radiant sorrel]

Oh woops didn't know

One sec lemme fix then

[dark osprey]

if doing post sync, yes better to replace ghost wish with some other zone or worst case can even use defog by Darach or Lisia

[vast dome]

I only have Psychic Wish

[dark osprey]

psychic unfortunately would be a terrain

need a zone to replace

[radiant sorrel]

Oh here, it's much better.

[vast dome]

Apart from Ghost Wish, I am zoneless

[dark osprey]

better try pre sync or if desperate can use Lisia or Darach

[vast dome]

Best support for Karen? I have SS Kris

[mellow linden]

Is this your first time doing Hoenn CS, no Master Mode unlocked yet?

[radiant sorrel]

First time yes

That I remember of

Master mode on the upper left is locked so I think so

[mellow linden]

Alright, so in that case, I’m gonna recommend a damage-dealer you can build around using the teambuilding 101 guidelines (if you haven’t read those just let me know and I can drop them here). Keep in mind that you’ll wanna try to use 9-12 types (type of the Sync Move) across your 5 teams, and you can build a team around (no particular order, btw):

• Bea for Glacia

• Karen for Phoebe

• Ghetsis for Drake (not ideal, but since it’s Hard Mode it’ll be fine), go get him from Legendary Adventures and 5/5 20/20 him with the resources you get

• Blue for Sidney

• Champ Serena for Steven

Get all the Legendary Adventures pairs to 5/5 20/20, btw

[radiant sorrel]

I don't think I've read that yet, would be appreciated

Also do I do them in the order that you listed?

[mellow linden]

+101 for the guidelines, then

[frozen depot]

> Teambuilding 101
Make sure you have done the Victory Road tutorial for an introduction to the game's teambuilding and gameplay.

1. When making a team, you usually want to focus building around a selected damage dealer that hits the stage's weakness (or not if they are strong enough to off-type). This can be a / striker or a tech. Take the time to read that damage dealer's kit in its entirety (moves and passives) to see what they can buff themselves. Critical-Hit Rate maxes at +3 while all other main buffs go to +6. Damage dealers should be in slot 3 for tactics.

2. Once you figured out your damage dealer, pick a to put on slot 1 in tactics so it takes the damage. The support will often want to cover the buffs the damage dealer needs and cannot max by themselves reliably (look for critical-hit rate, attack or special attack for example). If your damage dealer is fully self sustainable, the support can cover healing or defensive utility as needed!

3. Finally your last slot is entirely flexible and depends on your first two picks. You can take a tech focusing on utility like debuffs or weather/terrain that empowers your damage dealer, or another support that focuses on defenses and healing to survive longer, perhaps even boost gauge speed for demanding damaging moves. If your team allows it, you can even pick a second damage dealer! It's important to experiment and remember that a successful team will be able to manage gauge properly for triple queueing and buffing your damage dealer fast so they can focus on pumping out damage as soon as possible!

Want to know more about Triple-Queue and other information about the game? Visit our #1010307000346878062 or check the bot commands pinned in #bot-zone!

[mellow linden]

No, that’s why I said “no particular order”

[radiant sorrel]

Me when I'm dum, my bad haha

[mellow linden]

The main things to keep in mind are to carefully plan your round 3 (to the point where I would suggest figuring out round 3 first) and to maybe avoid Glacia and Phoebe on Round 4 if you can

[vast dome]

Should I face Phoebe in Round 1? She's been causing me a bit of pain

[mellow linden]

You can if you want, though it would mostly make that round a dead parameter round since Phoebe uses mostly special moves

“Dead” in this case meaning “not doing anything”, to clarify

[radiant sorrel]

How does order sound:

Sidney
Phoebe
Glacia
Drake

[nocturne pawn]

drake r1 is the best to handle imo

[vast dome]

I was told not to because of Ice Stadium

Because physical?

[nocturne pawn]

this is hoenn

[radiant sorrel]

Sidney for last then?

[mellow linden]

Sure, Blue will get boosted by the round parameter

[radiant sorrel]

Is the only way to get sync orbs from the daily thing? A lot of my pairs don't have upgraded sync grids 🥹

[old orchid]

Trainer Lodge and some events give sync orbs

check out the monthly exchange shop too

Trainer Lodge shop also allows exchanging lodge stones for sync orbs

[proud axle]

The aforementioned monthly shop is here. Make sure you pick these up every month for as long as you still need orbs. Shop --> Exchange Items --> Monthly tab

3000 orbs are a bit under half a grid. Remember that many characters can work well with partial or even empty grids!

Most event shops have one or two thousand orbs too.

[proud axle]

Lodge Expeditions can get you orbs from Rare Caches, too (and despite the name, they're not that rare if you stack your stats just right)

[soft gyro]

boy, I messed up the order of the CS rounds so much

it made it so hard to Monotype it to 12.5k

[modest gull]

Hello guys! I got a question regarding CS params. In terms of having the lowest defense from the same points, how would you rank the strength, max hp, and + def/spdef?

[quaint solar]

Not really sure what your asking

[mellow linden]

It sorta depends, but we have some recommended parameters in pins

[tribal agate]

STR is generally the best way to go because Max HP and Def/Spdef are % increases instead of flat which can be devastating in terms of stat bumping

however, if you find STR too bulky for your taste, then ATK/SPATK is an alternative but you'd better be ready to take the hits

[proud axle]

Isn't it the other way around

[mellow linden]

I think you mean Strength is a flat increase while HP and defenses are %

[vast dome]

Flat increase?

[proud axle]

Str is flat and stat is multiplier

[tribal agate]

wait

oopsie yeah i mixed it!

[mellow linden]

A set number instead of a percentage of the base

[proud axle]

It happens

Str adds a fixed number of stat points per tier

Stat Up X is a percentage increase and these stack multiplicatively

[shrewd solar]

so youre saying, for example, it's a bad idea to do a bunch of hp ups together

[proud axle]

The more Str is already on the enemy, the less meaningful each additional Str is

[proud axle]

Yes, you got it

[mellow linden]

If you’re going for an offense-oriented clear then yeah, generally

[tribal agate]

i generally avoid Max HP yeah

you can simulate those in pomatools btw

[shrewd solar]

is there a champ stadium planner tool?

[tribal agate]

yes

[proud axle]

You'd only stack MaxHP if you were doing a poison stall strategy or something

[tribal agate]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/champion-stadium

[mellow linden]

But if you’re going for Poison stall then you stack ALL the HP and defense parameters

[tribal agate]

click on a stage, you can see the stats
then parameters top right to add your parameters and see the "final" stats after the parameters

[proud axle]

Poison/toxic status does MaxHP%-based damage... No matter how much max HP that is

[modest gull]

Ah, neato. Thanks for the help!

[tribal agate]

Glacia Fighting Weak for example has 17k HP but with Max HP 2 she has 21k HP
If i put STR 1 (which is also 100 points) she has only 18k HP (but also slightly more offenses and defenses as a result)

[shrewd solar]

i dont see the palos special stadium on there

[tribal agate]

click on the title above the faces

"champion stadium"

it will change to Pasio

[mellow linden]

Outside of Marnie it uses existing stages from multiple regions, anyways

And I think it has a section for Marnie’s gimmicks too

[tribal agate]

https://i.imgur.com/HPd7FxW.mp4

https://tenor.com/view/imagination-spongebob-squarepants-dreams-magic-gif-12725683

[plush tangle]

omfg

[mellow linden]

TIL they have that feature, lol

[plush tangle]

Never thought of clicking there lol

[shrewd solar]

i see. this tool is a info tool

[mellow linden]

Yep, it’s super handy for knowing what the gimmicks are for a given stage

[shrewd solar]

i am wondering if something like this exists

i was making stuff like this 2 years ago to plan out everything

[tribal agate]

uh

not really that i'm aware, but i'm not sure what's that apart from a sheet

all the resources available are pinned

[shrewd solar]

is a place where i can start filling stuff in, move rows around to match the best round, like this

[rose ermine]

R1 drake,garchomps spamming EQ kills silver very easily even if drake dies

[north crown]

you need weather for him and he takes less special damage

[tribal agate]

supress his sandstorm

it's in the pins recap

[north crown]

the most recommended option to do so is candice, mostly being used as a nuker

[rose ermine]

My Candice isn't ex

[north crown]

she stil nukes hard

[tribal agate]

she can nuke at 4*

[rose ermine]

Also doesn't silver have a better nuke than candice

[north crown]

but you need to remove sandstorm regardless

[tribal agate]

just replace that Colress tbh

[north crown]

also you need to beat 5 ice weak stages

it'd be wise to spread out your ice damage options

[tribal agate]

is that pasio special or normal stadium?

[rose ermine]

This isn't NC Csmm

[tribal agate]

cause Drake is also on the weekly rotation

[north crown]

oh nvm

[tribal agate]

yeah figures

[north crown]

then yeah jsut replace colress at that point

[rose ermine]

But Colress gives silver dps and extra durability (Screech+TW)

[tribal agate]

if you don't replace the sandstorm, none of that matters

[north crown]

you won't be able to use that extra utility if you're dead

[tribal agate]

either swap the support for a weather support if you own or the colress for a tech one

[vast dome]

God help the whales if there's a Pasio Fairy Stadium

[rose ermine]

SSMorty Silver FCait?

[tribal agate]

there are no reasons to use both SS Morty and FCait

[north crown]

question: why do you wawnt to offtype now?

[tribal agate]

i think they meant SS Silver

[north crown]

then why did they not use the prefix "ss" for his name?

they did so with ssmorty

[long thicket]

Got Phoebe on stage 3 with Cyrus and EX OG Karen plus EX support, but it was a close one.

[vast dome]

Darkrai Cyrus I assume

[north crown]

sscyrus..?? isn't he a free win button?

[vast dome]

I don't have him

I really should start prioritising my wants

[long thicket]

He helps, but I could've used a speed boosting support to make it easier.

It was a bit of a patient game, but I needed him to counter the ghost zone.
Also wanted to save the Greninjas in case Steven gives me trouble.

[nocturne pawn]

steven is piss

especially with infinite field effects

[shrewd solar]

is the special stadium considered more difficult than the other one?

[mellow linden]

It varies from round to round

3 of the 5 rounds are older, much easier regions; 1 of the 5 is Drake, who’s also in Hoenn CS this week; and the final of the 5 is unique to the special CS, and the difficulty can vary pretty wildly depending on the team

[shrewd solar]

older regions are easier?

[mellow linden]

Yes, they have much less restrictive gimmicks and in many cases are less bulky or deal less damage than more recent regions

[shrewd solar]

so the 3 you are talking about are agatha, koga, and drake?

[mellow linden]

No, Agatha, Koga, and Shauntal

Hoenn is the 2nd newest region added to CS

[pure haven]

Sinnoh came b4 or after Hoenn?

[mellow linden]

Before

The only one that’s been added after Hoenn is Kalos

[pure haven]

I see

Hopefully we'll get Galar after the VA and we'll suffer with it

[keen jasper]

Sinnoh, Hoenn and Kalos are no jokes

[nocturne pawn]

i struggled with like 2 stages on kalos

[long thicket]

Alright so I got Glacia still...

And yeah, I think I recall most Steven/Wallace stages to actually feel easier than the E4.

[nocturne pawn]

basically every champion fight is easier

because 2 round effects are overpowered

especially infinite field conditions

[shrewd solar]

do you guys have any suggestions for the flex spot, or in general to this plan?

[wooden palm]

Help team building for hoenn challenge (hard mode)

1 more

[nocturne pawn]

hard mode is just filling the type medal

then again your pairs arent that developed

[shrewd solar]

im guessing the other one is status condition up?

[nocturne pawn]

huh?

[shrewd solar]

oh nvm. i misinterpreted

[long thicket]

Alright, Blizzard is kinda dangerous.

Got it done in two tries, though.

Champion Hop/EX Korrina/EX Leaf

[shrewd solar]

this is suggestions for me right?

[long thicket]

No that's what I did, sorry.

How long have you been playing the game for?

[shrewd solar]

i dont remember, i just came back after 2 years. i can check when i first joined the server i guess

[long thicket]

Oh wait, Hard mode, not elite. Then I guess the question wasn't appropriate.

[shrewd solar]

8 months of progression i guess

[long thicket]

Honestly it's weird for me to answer that because I struggled back then while going on-type...

[shrewd solar]

im trying to do the special stadium

[long thicket]

Oh, the Ice one?

[shrewd solar]

yeah

here's my plan for it

i added drake to the flex spot for sp def buffs

[zealous karma]

I’m case you weren’t aware blizzard is much weaker than B surf unless your eusine is 2/5

Even on type

[plush tangle]

"much weaker" not really

[mellow linden]

You know you don’t have to fill out type medal for the Pasio Special Stadium, right?

[plush tangle]

When there are 3 targets it is, but not "much weaker" and still easier because of standard reduction

[mellow linden]

Also, you really are gonna want to revamp pretty much all of those teams. Have you read the teambuilding 101?

It’s fine if you haven’t, I can just drop it here if that’s the case

[shrewd solar]

are you referring to me?

[hidden ore]

I did it and it came down to bad parameters 😂

[mellow linden]

Yes

[shrewd solar]

i dont really see what's wrong. can you explain?

[mellow linden]

A lot of your teams lack proper synergy. Olivia will be forced to spend too many turns buffing herself, for example

[shrewd solar]

yeah i figured that was the weakest team

[mellow linden]

If you instead ran an Attack + crit Support and Acerola or Bertha (I assume your Olivia is at least 2/5) Olivia could use at most 1 turn on Trainer Move and then start clicking Stone Edge

[shrewd solar]

olivia 5/5

[mellow linden]

Most of the teams can be improved. If you have Bianca then there’s no reason not to run her alongside SS Steven for Psychic Terrain, as another example

Since for Pasio Special Stadium there’s no type medal to worry about

[shrewd solar]

Why run ss steven with psychich terrain?

[mellow linden]

Ok, so just to be clear here

[shrewd solar]

let me check if that's the right steven

metagross

[mellow linden]

SS Steven is Deoxys

[shrewd solar]

ah

[mellow linden]

Metagross is base Steven

[shrewd solar]

sorry

[mellow linden]

Is Metagross the Steven you’re running?

[shrewd solar]

yeah

6starex

[mellow linden]

His team again lacks synergy, he has no one to give him the buffs he needs

+101

[frozen depot]

> Teambuilding 101
Make sure you have done the Victory Road tutorial for an introduction to the game's teambuilding and gameplay.

1. When making a team, you usually want to focus building around a selected damage dealer that hits the stage's weakness (or not if they are strong enough to off-type). This can be a / striker or a tech. Take the time to read that damage dealer's kit in its entirety (moves and passives) to see what they can buff themselves. Critical-Hit Rate maxes at +3 while all other main buffs go to +6. Damage dealers should be in slot 3 for tactics.

2. Once you figured out your damage dealer, pick a to put on slot 1 in tactics so it takes the damage. The support will often want to cover the buffs the damage dealer needs and cannot max by themselves reliably (look for critical-hit rate, attack or special attack for example). If your damage dealer is fully self sustainable, the support can cover healing or defensive utility as needed!

3. Finally your last slot is entirely flexible and depends on your first two picks. You can take a tech focusing on utility like debuffs or weather/terrain that empowers your damage dealer, or another support that focuses on defenses and healing to survive longer, perhaps even boost gauge speed for demanding damaging moves. If your team allows it, you can even pick a second damage dealer! It's important to experiment and remember that a successful team will be able to manage gauge properly for triple queueing and buffing your damage dealer fast so they can focus on pumping out damage as soon as possible!

Want to know more about Triple-Queue and other information about the game? Visit our #1010307000346878062 or check the bot commands pinned in #bot-zone!

[mellow linden]

These are some basic teambuilding guidelines, they’re incredibly useful for starting to get a feel for how and why teams work

[shrewd solar]

right, there's not many crit buffers though

[mellow linden]

Attack + crit Supports are extremely common

[shrewd solar]

the only ones i can think of are ss elesa and sabrina

[mellow linden]

Hop, 3/5+ Hilbert, 3/5+ Sonia, 2/5+ Aaron, 1/5+ Shauna, while not simultaneously BP Surge

[mellow linden]

That’s Sp. Atk. and crit

Not Attack and crit

SS Elesa and Sabrina offer no benefit for Steven + Metagross

[shrewd solar]

is hop a recent character?

[mellow linden]

He’s free from Legendary Adventures

Under the Main Story tab

[shrewd solar]

as in 5/5 free?

[mellow linden]

5/5 20/20 free

[shrewd solar]

ok ill go there

[mellow linden]

He’s also getting EX this month

[shrewd solar]

ill check out hilbert too. i dont have the others

is there anything else i missed out on over the last 2 years?

[mellow linden]

A good bit of stuff has changed, definitely check out #1010307000346878062 for some useful info about a ton of topics

[winged agate]

I got 9k points with those teams

[shrewd solar]

any thoughts about this plan for the special stadium?
my tank for agatha doesn't feel quite right, but im not sure what would work better

[mellow linden]

Replace Drake with a Sandstorm setter so Olivia can make use of Sand Blaster and Surging Sand

Could you show your roster? It’d be easier to give good advice if we know who you have available

+tracker is ideal for that

[frozen depot]

Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button

[mellow linden]

Why are you not using Ghetsis and Irida on any of the teams? Each one is a win, basically

[shrewd solar]

i just pulled irida today, so i wasn't familiar with that

i never really felt ghetsis was that strong, so that too

[mellow linden]

Ghetsis is pretty strong if properly gridded, can definitely take home a win on one of the stages

[shrewd solar]

ah probably when i got him he didn't have a grid

[mellow linden]

Are you planning to get any points or is this just clearing in general?

[shrewd solar]

i plan to get the full 12500

hence the planning

[mellow linden]

Alright, so you’re gonna want to strongly consider off-typing Drake

[shrewd solar]

ok ill try the rain team

[mellow linden]

What’s the Rain team?

[shrewd solar]

ssblue blastoise
may swampert
archie kyogre

btw, is a 1/5 irida considered a win like you said?

[mellow linden]

That’s gonna be a rough time because Drake has Wise Entry x2

Pretty much an easy win for all except Drake, Drake is harder due to Wise Entry x2

Can try SS May + Blaine + a crit Support for Drake

[shrewd solar]

i dont have ss may blaiziken

[mellow linden]

You have her listed as 2/5 on your roster

[shrewd solar]

oh shit it's a tech

[mellow linden]

Yeah. Techs are a sliding scale of combining damage and utility, and SS May leans more towards damage

[shrewd solar]

oh that's weird, somehow i clicked her twice. i don't have her at all

sorry about that

[mellow linden]

Are you sure you want to jump directly into 12.5k? It’s a lot more strict

[shrewd solar]

that's fine. im used to resetting a lot

is drake best for round 1 perma field?

[mellow linden]

Alright. Then I’m gonna suggest some teams, and I’m going to include some information on how and why the team works to try and help you get as much of a feel for the teambuilding process as possible

[shrewd solar]

btw if one of the teams is toxic stall, you dont need to tell me why it works. i was debating about whether to use it or not, but i wasn't sure who to use it against, or what tank to use

[mellow linden]

Unless labeled for a specific fight or round you can use the team against any of the non-listed fights/rounds:

• Drake on Round 1: It’s gonna be a bit of a “rocket tag” situation, but Hilbert + Maxie + Courtney is probably one of your best options given your roster. Hilbert provides much needed Attack, crit, and Speed buffs to the team (make sure Hilbert has his Critical Squad tile in his Sync Grid), Maxie is the big damage-dealer, and Courtney provides Ground Zone to further boost Maxie’s damage output. Maxie is pretty much the only one who’s going to be clicking damaging moves for most of the fight since you’ll want to try and keep the Move Gauge in good order.

• Round 2: Poison stall is a great bet for this fight, so a good tank for the fight + Lucy + Janine here. If you can Lucy appreciates her Hostile Environment tile so she can always inflict Poison with Poison Fang.

• Ghetsis + MC and Torchic + Skyla. Ghetsis needs to be fully gridded here. The goal is for Ghetsis to mostly spam Noble Roar for his 1st 3 turns and then start clicking Glaciate. MC + Torchic will give Ghetsis his much needed offensive buffs (either get their MP Refresh or be prepared to use Ghetsis’ Trainer Move once), while Skyla acts as a good tank and gives Support EX effect.

• Archie + May + Roxanne or SS Blue. Archie is the main damage-dealer, May provides extra Rain, and the Support provides necessary buffs and tanks some hits. This one is fairly straightforward and you’re familiar with it anyways.

• An alternative team to use if needed: Giovanni + Bianca + a Sp. Atk. buffer (Sabrina or SS Elesa is good here). Giovanni deals damage, Bianca sets Psychic Terrain for him, and the Support provides necessary offensive buffs. Giovanni needs to be gridded for this.

• Marnie: Irida + BP Surge + a good Support. Irida is the main source of damage, BP Surge provides a necessary status to disable Marnie’s Healthy Advantage passive, and the Support acts as the tank and gives buffs if possible

The big issue is Drake since your on-type options are few and your off-type options are mostly special. Definitely get him out of the way 1st since you may need to completely change your plans depending on what you end up having to use

BP Surge is the one with Raichu, btw

[shrewd solar]

lmao i was just typing that

why lucy instead of ss leaf?

[junior crown]

you can use it on everyone if you want

[mellow linden]

Lucy provides Trap. You can use SS Leaf instead if you want though

[shrewd solar]

no youre right

[mellow linden]

If need be you can stall more stages like Azriel said

[junior crown]

if it's a special stage you can use SS Leaf and Viola

that would give you posion + trap and aditional potions from SS Leaf for more sustain

[shrewd solar]

in the past my stall team was ssleaf viola and dawn

[junior crown]

uhm, that's a mix

dawn buff def and viola lower special attack

of course dawn lower attack with her passive, but it's too slow

[shrewd solar]

maybe i misremember, it's been 2 years

my main thing is to learn about all the new pairs i just pulled because i dont know what they do. and also review the grids of all the old people cuz before they had no grid

[mellow linden]

You can always use pomatools for help with that

+pomatools

[frozen depot]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs

[mellow linden]

Super useful resource

[shrewd solar]

yeah ive been using that

is the idea that ssred can brute force past a round just not there anymore?

[mellow linden]

He’s still great, I just was trying to avoid using up specific Supports that he’d appreciate since I knew other teams may appreciate them

A quick team idea to use on basically any fight except Drake or Marnie is Hop + SS Red + Blaine. Hop gives Attack buffs to activate Haymaker as well as crit buffs for Red, Red handles his own Sp. Atk. buffs, and Blaine provides Sun to boost Red’s damage

When not needing to use Hilbert elsewhere he works too

And would replace Hop in that team

[clear valley]

Have been struggling to get 2.5k on Agatha, I’m thinking of putting Irida on it for hail . Would it be possible to off type with Tate and Liza for Marnie?

[mellow linden]

SS Morty kinda has direct anti-synergy with that team

Since Candice is self-sufficient if properly gridded (get her to level 120, btw) you can use a different tank easily

[sinful garden]

You are running 3 pairs who all want different weathers to be on the field

Swap out ssmorty

[mellow linden]

I assume they plan to run Blizzard on Eusine

Oh hey, you can actually move SS Morty to the Adaman team, too

Which is good because you can’t use BP Morty twice

[shrewd solar]

did they change the mechanics regarding how crits are supposed to hit through damage reduction?

[mellow linden]

No, they still ignore Light Screen and Reflect

However, the parameters “Special Damage Reduction 8” and “Physical Damage Reduction 8”, 100 points each, do not set those, if that’s where the confusion comes from

The parameters that set permanent Reflect/Light Screen are the 50 point parameters “Physical Damage Reduction” and “Special Damage Reduction”

[shrewd solar]

ah i see

[mellow linden]

They really dropped the ball on naming those, tbh

The Damage Reduction 8 parameters reduce damage from the respective category (physical and special are self-explanatory, Standard means non-supereffective damage is reduced) by 80%, and cannot be ignored

[shrewd solar]

So this was the best run so far with the courtney team,
they didn't use eq at all

if the goal is trying to prevent the opponent from syncing, i guess maxie isn't good for that since precipice blades is aoe instead of single target

[nocturne pawn]

ehhh i dont like courtney here

she makes earthquake hit a lot harder

[shrewd solar]

yeah this was a lucky run where they didn't use eq

btw using ground wish turn 1 seems to incentive eq from the ai, but using it turn 2 makes them less so. idk why

[mellow linden]

What parameters were you using?

[shrewd solar]

i took the off-type pre-sync from the pins and made adjustments from there

[mellow linden]

What adjustments?

[nocturne pawn]

ok first of all

dont take hp up

i would personally replace -2 gauge with str because of the r1 parameter

[shrewd solar]

i took both no status and interference immune, and no stat reduction,
swapped str 1 for strike and tech triple damage

i was ok with -2 gauge

[nocturne pawn]

…no

[mellow linden]

Well no wonder Earthquake is destroying you if it comes up

[nocturne pawn]

dont do that

seriously tripled damage is not a joke

[mellow linden]

Try sticking with the parameters as laid out

[shrewd solar]

i found a not to get eq'ed so im fine

[nocturne pawn]

💀

[shrewd solar]

i did try the ones suggested

[nocturne pawn]

its rng though

[shrewd solar]

they are worse than the ones that im using

[nocturne pawn]

believe me ive had drake runs where i got eq’d three turns in a row

do you not have a 2/5 hala

[shrewd solar]

no

i came back from 2 years ago

i pulled some stuff today (courtney irida) and that's it

[shrewd solar]

gacha unit?

[nocturne pawn]

yes

[shrewd solar]

what is the reasoning behind this choice?

[nocturne pawn]

actually

try irida and ghetsis

ice zone offsets wise entry x2 essentially and irida helps with dps and nuke

[shrewd solar]

what the reasoning behind not taking -2 gauge because of r1 parameter perma field?

[nocturne pawn]

cuz that team kinda struggles with gauge and strength is made more manageable by the damage reduction field

[shrewd solar]

idk why, but my round effects are like this:

is everyone elses round effects different?

nvm it's special stadium not the other one

[mellow linden]

At this point you can either try the Ghetsis + Irida team that was suggested and use some other teams for Marnie and the other fights or try your hand at Poison stalling Drake, I guess

[shrewd solar]

im going to try out some other teams. in the past, i would make more defensive teams, rather than the quick buffing ones that others seem to find successful

[zealous karma]

Also round 3 isn’t attack down it’s just light screen which is bypassed with crits

[mellow linden]

Do you know what triple queueing is?

[shrewd solar]

yes

i know quad queue too

[mellow linden]

Just making sure, since it's a common mistake

[shrewd solar]

this was existing 2 years ago too

[mellow linden]

You could try Syncing with Courtney and see if that changes anything

[shrewd solar]

the other thing may be levels, i see there's a new button called, check successful teams, and their levels are all very high

[mellow linden]

Level 120 is generally fine

The main issue is moreso Drake himself combined with your specific roster meaning you have not a ton of on-type options and even fewer off-type options

Maxie + Courtney + an appropriate Support (usually Hilbert, in your case) is a shoe-in if you need to KO a Ground weak stage, at least, so definitely still keep it in mind

[shrewd solar]

was my wulfric team earlier too much of a joke

[mellow linden]

Wulfric's damage is...not great, to say the least

Could maybe try Ghetsis + Candice if Candice is gridded properly. Wouldn't be ideal, but it might work

Or the aforementioned Ghetsis + Irida team

[reef rain]

anyone got tips for sidney? the man just does not care about my def buffs

blue is my only flying dps

[plush tangle]

Surely you have Kahili right

[mellow linden]

Could we see your Flying roster? It would help a ton

[reef rain]

oh i totally forgot about kahili

i maxed her for something long ago maybe she can work again

[latent plaza]

What are some of the mistakes for choosing the highest points from 1000 to 2500 and with the low to mid sync pairs like Cynthia, Brendan, and Hau?

[mellow linden]

The only one I'd really say is close to "mid" amongst those 3 is Hau

[nocturne pawn]

if cynthia isnt 3/5 then shes kinda uhhh

[mellow linden]

Anyway, the biggest mistakes are generally:

• Picking a parameter that shuts down a significant portion of your team's functionality (picking No Status Conditions if you're running Poison stall, picking a Damage Reduction 8 parameter that would mess up your damage-dealers, etc.)

• Combining high Strength and high Max HP parameters

[mellow linden]

Right, should've clarified that my statement assumed proper move levels for all pairs mentioned

[latent plaza]

Hau is just an example, but what else ?

[mellow linden]

Tbh with good teambuilding, gameplay, and parameters you can clear with basically anyone

[latent plaza]

My Cynthia is 2 move
Brendan 5 move and Hau 3 move

[mellow linden]

Cynthia's gonna want 1 more move level at some point for sure since she gets a massive boost at 3/5

She's decent at 2/5 though

At least for Ground weak stages

[latent plaza]

What about the number of points what are the limits?

[mellow linden]

2500 per stage is the maximum currently, but depending on how new you are to Master Mode it's not a bad idea to shoot a bit lower since you only need 850 points per stage to get all the most important rewards

[latent plaza]

850?
To be honest, I've tried Master Mode so many times, with the highest score and it was very stressful to get the largest amount of rewards

Like minimum 1100 to 2500

So the best way to get the best score is leveling up my sync Moves to 3/5?

[mellow linden]

That depends heavily on the Sync Pair

And the stage

Teambuilding and gameplay are the 1st and foremost things to consider when doing harder content

If your team has no synergy, for example, even Hard Mode may become a struggle

[latent plaza]

What is synergy?

[mellow linden]

The ability to work well together to create a greater effect than either individual could create

Basically, stuff like bringing a Sun setter if your damage-dealer uses Fire moves

[latent plaza]

But what if one of my team members fall? According to Lillie in Victory Road, "the key is not to let one of your team members fall."

[latent plaza]

I get it...

[mellow linden]

A well-built team will rarely have that happen, or if it does it'll happen at a point where you've already won

Or more accurately, a well-built team with good gameplay (and in CS good parameters as well)

[latent plaza]

So it doesn't affect me that one of my team members fall?

[mellow linden]

As long as it's not happening at a bad time, it won't

If your Support gets KOed right as your damage-dealer is nuking the entire stage into oblivion it won't matter, for example

If your Support gets nuked by a Fire Blast turn 1...that's a different story (and one that I've had to make changes to avoid after having it happen)

[nocturne pawn]

personally ive never had that happen

[mellow linden]

There's a singleother exception in that one CS round parameter (only happens on a given round, can't be avoided) means if a Sync Pair goes down the remaining pairs on that team will have their stats lowered by 1 stage, but that's easily avoided or ignored with good teambuilding and gameplay

[nocturne pawn]

but ss brendan is a really good specially defensive tank

[mellow linden]

I tried to take on Psychic weak Flint on a "special moves are boosted" round once and very quickly learned why I shouldn't do that

1k+ Fire Blast directly to my Support

Was a big moment

[nocturne pawn]

psychic weak flint: die

[mellow linden]

So yeah, don't make that mistake like I did and you'll probably be able to avoid your pairs getting KOed

[latent plaza]

But one concern, is it common for players to let on their sync pairs knocked out? And it is okay if a sync pair gets knocked down as long as I complete the challenge?

On time

[nocturne pawn]

yes

and yes

[mellow linden]

How common it is depends a lot on the team and situation, but in CS there's no penalty for a pair getting KOed outside of that single round parameter that occasionally pops up

As long as you clear the stage

[latent plaza]

and my rewards or my gameplay status wont be affected right?

[mellow linden]

Correct

[latent plaza]

other players wont look down upon me if one of my sync pairs get kod and the challenge is complete right?

[nocturne pawn]

no

we literally give 0 fucks as long as you win

[mellow linden]

There's a saying around here: "If it works it works"

[nocturne pawn]

unless you do some stupid shit like not leveling your pairs

[mellow linden]

The most you'd get is some advice on how to improve something the next time around

[latent plaza]

I've never heard of it

[latent plaza]

Makes a lot of sense

[mellow linden]

Well, maybe it's more my saying, but still

[latent plaza]

Oh another thing if one of the challenges recommend a wish element but I don't have one for instance,, the challenge recommends me steel wish, but sadly I don't have one

[mellow linden]

So the in-game Sync Pair recommendations always recommend limited pairs because the devs want to make money

[latent plaza]

Aww man!

[mellow linden]

There's plenty of ways to succeed without fulfilling the devs' fantasies

[latent plaza]

Really how😄

[mellow linden]

Mainly just understanding how to work around the stage's gimmicks

Like how Phoebe takes way less damage from physical attacks, so you need to use special damage-dealers

[toxic cobalt]

And how drake sets sandstorm on entry and sync

[mellow linden]

You can always ask for advice here if you need it, that's what this channel is for after all

[latent plaza]

Ok so I have to choose a sync pair that deals less damage depending on the requirements

[mellow linden]

I...don't think that's quite right

Unless you mean bringing a damage-dealer that normally deals less damage, but deals more damage than alternatives in that situation

[latent plaza]

If opponents deal physical damage attack I have to choose a sync pair with highest defense?

[mellow linden]

I think you misunderstood what I said

Phoebe, this week, takes a lot less damage from physical attacks. So when choosing your damage-dealer to use against her, you'll want to bring a damage dealer that uses special attacks

Obviously you can adjust your Support to better tank the opponents' attacks, but that's not what I was referring to previously

[latent plaza]

This is really confusing this info is new to me

But Phoebe has highest defense right?

[mellow linden]

So just to be clear, I'm talking about the opponent Phoebe

[quaint solar]

She has high Defense but low HP

[mellow linden]

Not the Phoebe you can use in battle

The Phoebe you can use in battle is a completely different subject

[proud axle]

If they wanted you to use a Wish because the enemy uses terrain/zone, you can overwrite it with a different terrain/zone (even if it's not the one the devs told you to use) or have Darach/Lisia blow it away with Defog

[latent plaza]

🤦man I really messed myself up sorries

[mellow linden]

It happens, no worries

[proud axle]

Maybe we need to start the convo over from the top, then

To iron this out

[mellow linden]

If it makes it easier I can refer to them as the type they're weak to with their name in parentheses

Basically, the stage that's weak to Dark (Phoebe) wants you to use special moves, because physical moves deal way less damage. So instead of using, say, Masked Royal, you'd wanna use Karen

[proud axle]

Notably, this also restricts offtype options

If your main offtyper team is special (e.g. Neo Marnie or something), you won't wanna use it against a Wise×2 enemy

[mellow linden]

Every CS stage has some sort of gimmick that'll try to limit the teams you can use. As long as you understand those gimmicks and know how to work around them you'll have a much easier time than you otherwise would

[proud axle]

(Well, the harder CSes do)

[mellow linden]

I said try, not succeed

[proud axle]

(Kanto and Johto are so basic that sometimes people get decision paralysis-- when EVERYTHING works, what do you go for specifically?)

It happened fairly recently when someone had Very Complex Expectations for Agatha and Koga in the Ice stadium

Kanto/Johto have few to no gimmicks
Alola/Unova have some but it's not too much
Sinnoh/Hoenn/Kalos are really difficult/complex

[latent plaza]

You know what I learned, that leveling up is no longer important because move level is what create the advantages that is my idea

All of my sync pairs are up to lv. 135

Almost

All of them

[mellow linden]

Well, regular levels matter to an extent, but level 120 is generally fine

[latent plaza]

Im saying it because I almost get defeated in Master mode

[mellow linden]

The biggest thing is teambuilding and gameplay, especially given how many Sync Pairs work super well even at 1/5

What stage, what parameters, and what team?

[latent plaza]

Really? Like for instance...

[mellow linden]

Seriously, knowing this will help a ton in figuring out what can be changed to increase odds of success

[latent plaza]

Any other advice about mistakes when choosing parameters? And the number of points?

[mellow linden]

For general stuff, not really. Would need to have more information on the situation in order to give more advice

[mellow linden]

Namely this

[shrewd solar]

Is there an example of poison stalling Drake

There was that person Azriel poison stall all CS

[mellow linden]

https://discord.com/channels/583120259708616715/1097597679015567420

Their clear thread

Can see their Hall of Fame shots for a Drake stall

[proud axle]

Well, for example, we had someone insist that Neo Marnie was somehow not a good choice for a stage that they were struggling on, because she is 1/5, so... I recorded this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009554906568462476/1099831818087301221/NeoMarnieSSKrisRedlaxVsAgathaRedux.mp4

With waaaaaay more than 2500pts just because I knew I could

Marnie is 1/5, Kris is 1/5, Redlax is 2/5 but nothing in his 2/5 grid meaningfully affects the stuff he does in this video

The vast, vast majority of my limited pairs are 1/5; I do have 5star candies but I also have commitment issues so I haven't used them

Famously, 1/5 Ingo has access to something that may well be even more important to him than hecking Sandstorm MPR: more freebies for the team

Acerola does have Sandstorm MPR at 1/5, and even Aggravation 30% --> 60% flinch

It's honestly probably faster to recite the pairs who're bad at 1/5 than the ones who're good at 1/5

Even if you don't have the move levels on a 5star unit, there're likely some 3star or 4star units where you do have move levels on, to do a similar job

[grand steppe]

I see -sync countdown with little-to-no strength params, I upvote.

[proud axle]

Joke's on you, that's every single strength param at once

[toxic cobalt]

The B-move quadqueue!

[proud axle]

I picked -sync countdown because I knew the fight would be over before they got the chance to use it

I'm not sure any of the Master Pairs is bad at 1/5, though certainly they can go from good to mindblowing above that

A lot of Poké Fair pairs are already good at 1/5 as well, possibly a majority or at least plurality

[toxic cobalt]

Don't think we've had a bad 1/5 pair for awhile?

[proud axle]

The most notable examples I can think of, are pretty old indeed

Cynthia/Garchomp being practically the poster girl for the phenomenon (I have 5/5 in her because Lady Luck is a sarcastic a-hole; I was actually trying to get the others on the same banner)

[proud axle]

(Full disclosure: I knew this because I did a test run, and wasn't even sure B-move quadqueue was possible until I tried it on a whim during said test run)

[grand steppe]

I thought requeuing after a flinch was nigh-impossible except for flinches caused by Staggering-like passives. (like SS Lyra)
But I saw this person was requeuing Air Slash after a flinch (and at triple speed), not once, but twice.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxprzECDgRua6mFAJcL8y-5JZ9yOWcfGxM

[mellow linden]

I call black magic and requiring the MGR

[grand steppe]

The 2nd one doesn't have MGR.

[mellow linden]

Nevermind, just the 1st thing

Literal sorcery

[swift swan]

i can never requeue after a flinch except when I use ss lyra

[toxic cobalt]

It's possible, but the window is even tighter than a quadqueue

I do it occasionally against the sides, but to do it before mid is down is some serious commitment

[mellow linden]

Teach me your ways, O Mighty Wizard

[grand steppe]

After reviewing the footage I noticed, after they flinched Gengar the right side queued up. I wonder if switching targets is required.

[old orchid]

I was sometimes able to requeue after normal flinch, but it requires perfect time window which i cant master

[zealous karma]

Me when I hack

Absolutely cheat the system

[grand steppe]

Like is it possible to requeue, when it's the same target switching from atk to a buff?
Or is only in this above scenario, where mid & left exhausted their buffs, so they had to switch queue order with a partner.

[dark osprey]

It's usually not possible for normal flinches but doable with staggering flinches decently well if no gradual healing

[mellow linden]

If you can do the requeue on normal flinch with any degree of consistency you are a wizard and have my respect

[zealous karma]

I’m pretty sure skipping mud used to do it

[dark osprey]

No no. I'm bad at quad queuing as well. But it's just that staggering flinches I think allow for it

[mellow linden]

Oh, that was more a general statement I made, sorry

[grand steppe]

Yeah I mentioned staggering already, but look at the clip I posted. They do it twice with regular Air Slash.

[toxic cobalt]

Staggering is different.

[dark osprey]

Oh yeah true. After they've exhausted buffs on all mons

[toxic cobalt]

I wonder if this is why I can only manage to do it to the sides

[swift swan]

maybe the latter?

[grand steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-gustavo-fring-giancarlo-esposito-explain-yourself-series-gif-17635701

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[swift swan]

who-

[grand steppe]

It's their video.

[swift swan]

[north crown]

isn't that frame perfect queuing every single air slash...?

[grand steppe]

guess I should play Street Fighter to get better at pomas

[vast dome]

Should I EX Hala asap?

Cuz I feel it makes the ice stages easier

[old orchid]

it helps but its not needed

he can KO mid with SEUN sync and KO sides with 1 - 2 Ice Hammer

[vast dome]

seun?

[old orchid]

Supereffective Up Next

3/5 Hala has TM Super Preparation 9

[vast dome]

I have that slot activated

[old orchid]

good

[vast dome]

SS Morty and Kukui are my supports

I used SS Leaf, Koga and Janine as my Poison Stack team. Is it due for an upgrade?

[old orchid]

toss Koga for a defensive support

[vast dome]

Melony?

[old orchid]

depends on the stage you are going to stall

if the opponents mainly use physical attacks, better using Skyla

[vast dome]

Finished Drake

So I went for Koga

Now I have to take a break til reset

[toxic cobalt]

Well done on Drake

[proud axle]

Ice stadium? Drake's definitely the most difficult of the E4. Good work, then

The exact same Drake fight is in this week's Hoenn League, in fact...

[toxic cobalt]

And I still forgot he had wise entry

[keen jasper]

Ghetsus still destroys

[toxic cobalt]

He did not

[old orchid]

he can but he needs zone

[vast dome]

I have Ghetsis and both Candaces left

Used up Sycamore in the poison chain

Agatha or Shauntal round 3?

[old orchid]

Either is a good choice

[vast dome]

Gonna use Ghetsis in Round 3

[old orchid]

Its better to save him for Marnie unless you have SS N

[rose ermine]

Holy shit scdiantha so cracked

She somehow presynced glacia with r3 params

[keen jasper]

She's still one of the strongest nukers in the game

[vast dome]

I don't

SS N? As in Ice type N?

[keen jasper]

Yes, the one with Black Kyurem

[vast dome]

How good is he

[keen jasper]

Very strong ice damage dealer, his Freeze Shock does take 2 turns to attack

But he has -2 sync CD whenever he attacks with Freeze Shock

So you practically guarantee a 2nd sync without Adrenaline

But his rotation is janked AF

[vast dome]

Janked?

[nocturne pawn]

he only attacks once every sync cycle

and needs 4/5 to do competitive damage

[vast dome]

So good, only for this stage

In other words: meh at best

[nocturne pawn]

hes good but he needs a lot of investment which is not that worth it

[vast dome]

What's the buzz about Irida?

[quaint solar]

Ice 1 🤔
What about her 🤔

[vast dome]

Apart from her coming from Pokemon Legends

She's a Master Fair, I tried pulling for her twice without success

[quaint solar]

That's that 1% chance 4 yah

[mellow linden]

Irida has some high damage potential via Sync nuke and B Ice Beam, as well as providing helpful utility, namely Hail and Ice Zone

She works especially well against Marnie due to Icy Wind's Speed debuffs, you'd just need a status inflictor

[fringe valve]

He is, if you use him as a sleep chainer. Very boring playstyle though.

[white gale]

so next week's Steel-weak has Sentry Entry x 2... special Steel damage dealers are pretty rare. I don't have Raihan. Is it better to try using Galaraian purrserker or just go with PMarnie + physical Steel damage dealer?

[mellow linden]

Either can work

[white gale]

hmm maybe I'll try Purrseker, just to use him LOL. Who would be a good support? PMarnie + Purrserker don't synergize too well (other than Zone of course)

[mellow linden]

Focus on giving Perrserker the buffs it needs with the Support