Champion Stadium

[mellow linden]

Marley is a great teammate if you can afford to include her

[sacred mountain]

No need

I stalled him

Ez 12.5

[mellow linden]

Fair enough

[sacred mountain]

Uhh i have a question for next week

Is there a good poison type F2p strike / nuke now ?

[tame gust]

Koga. Koga is nice poison damage

[rotund lagoon]

Koga/Roxie/Lucy

All good Poison attackers

[sacred mountain]

I was just asking so i could build them over the week

[tame gust]

Koga EX when?

[sacred mountain]

Okk koga it is

Also I'd probably have Solgaleo Ex by the time it's steel weak

Next week looks easy apart from Ghost and Poison for me

[rotund lagoon]

Ghost has Giovanni, Shauntal and Fantina

[old orchid]

[sacred mountain]

What's better between Shauntal and fantina

[rotund lagoon]

What move level is Fantina?

[sacred mountain]

5/5

[rotund lagoon]

Fantina.

[sacred mountain]

Or i could use 1/5 AniLillie but idk if that would cut it

[rotund lagoon]

She is a good option, too.

Just need to manage gauge.

[sacred mountain]

My fantina has everything except her EX

[rotund lagoon]

Don’t worry about her EX. Make sure you got her gridded like in the #1008010844547842079 doc, and have Support EX if possible

[nocturne pawn]

its 105%

against 3 targets status chance is halved to 15%

[keen jasper]

HE6= * 7. Discharge is 30% at ST, 15% at all targets, so 15 * 7 is 105%

[nocturne pawn]

he6 is a 7x multiplier so its 105%

why did they do this again

[old orchid]

To punish everyone with no Lilliebee

[dark osprey]

Oh yeah. The ones who had her also may not use her though

[old orchid]

Marley is free tho

[keen jasper]

No EX tho

[mellow linden]

Ah, alright. Thanks

[dark osprey]

Marley is quite bulky for a 3* support ngl

Plus there's the burn chances for partial physical defenses

Anyone EXed Roxanne?

Is she bulky enough for like Hoenn and the like CS?

[swift swan]

so 105% chance to paralyze all three targets? incredible

they could've made it HE4 or something!

[trail smelt]

The extra 5% is for flexing

[junior crown]

I have, want me to try any specific team with her?

[rotund lagoon]

I have her EX’d too

[keen jasper]

Can you try Roxanne, SS Diantha and SC Steven?

[junior crown]

SC Diantha and SC Steven both 1/5 non EX is there a problem?

Any specific round?

R1 prob for the zone?

[keen jasper]

SC Steven is fine at 1/5, but SS Diantha, hmmm...

[junior crown]

Yeah I use her as a "buffer" mostly with Ingo/Emmet...

maybe tell the specific move level and if EX to see if someone else fits in the requisites

[keen jasper]

I suppose you can try SS Diantha at 1/5

[dark osprey]

Ah. I think we'd have to wait till the harder CSs tbh for the actual test of Roxanne

[junior crown]

ended in the second sync (could do it without second sync)

roxanne was with 1 HP (I had endurance on her)

[dark osprey]

Hehe. Still not bad I guess

[junior crown]

And sides has sp attack

[dark osprey]

At least she's an accessible adrenaline support EX

[junior crown]

suffered one flametower and one ice beam

[dark osprey]

Oh ok. So got to low health with the special attacks

[junior crown]

yeah

[dark osprey]

Honestly I liked her grid with the special defense buffs too

Used it once and was kinda surprised even though it's like hardly +2 or something special defense

Mainly because it comes along with the TM that's so nice already

[junior crown]

I went with this one

could drop the all shielded, but I don't want to keep reseting for the MPR, so I kept like this

[rugged inlet]

What options do you select for 2.5k?

[mellow linden]

There’s example parameters in the pins that you can adjust as needed

[rugged inlet]

Thanks

[long thicket]

Apparently, EX Zekrom was enough to one-shot the Frillish on the right, but not the Frillish on the left even though it had more damage.

[mellow linden]

The Frillish on the left was at lower HP or the damage dealt to the Frillish on the left was higher?

[noble plaza]

I'm having issues using Blaine + Silver + Hilbert against Molayne. I can't seem to get the sync in before the Metagross but I feel like I can't replace any of the pairs for a flincher. I don't have 3/5 Hilbert either

[mellow linden]

What round?

[noble plaza]

R1

[mellow linden]

Would just need to quadqueue then

[noble plaza]

oh right

i have a bad habit of immediately queuing once it's available aha

[mellow linden]

Best to break that habit, yeah

[spring fable]

Okie this week was pretty easy

No issues at all

[noble plaza]

Why isn't my quad queue working?

[old orchid]

you are too slow

[noble plaza]

at what part though? I kept tapping Sacred Fire after my sync.

[old orchid]

after the sync move

[toxic cobalt]

Just replace blaine with someone useful

Like Ramos or Acerola

No need to quadqueue

[noble plaza]

what about Sun though?

[toxic cobalt]

Silver noises

[noble plaza]

....i completely forgot his sync puts up sun

oops

so when do I use Silver's TM? Do I use it after my sync? Before?

[toxic cobalt]

One before one after

Although if you have mpr all before is fine

[keen jasper]

You need timing

[dark osprey]

If Blaine is gridded he can deny the left with a sure crit sync. Also, in this case, it's a good idea to burn that Metagross to enhance your Hilbert's survival

[zealous karma]

Barely miss timed

[dark osprey]

Not sure if this is helpful but can try even if Blaine is not gridded

[plush tangle]

I swear I can't queue before that sandslash too

For some reason

[noble plaza]

I'm attempting to do Kahili for R2. I thought the No Status Conditions param would help with Toxic but nope 😭

I don't know if it's worth using Sycamore for this round

[plush tangle]

no status is YOU can't inflict status

if an effect is positive it's for the opponent, if it's negative it's for you

[noble plaza]

Currently I'm trying out Ingo, Olivia, and Kukui

[plush tangle]

That should 100% work

what move level for all of them

[noble plaza]

1/5 for the train man, 4/5 for Oliva, and 1/5 for Kukui

do I restart if Salamence gets a toxic off?

[rotund lagoon]

That’s one way to do it

[plush tangle]

Is any of them EX ?

[noble plaza]

Oh Ingo is

I'm syncing with him first

[rotund lagoon]

That works

[noble plaza]

does ingo need to be a higher move level?

[rotund lagoon]

1/5 is enough. That’s where mine is at

[plush tangle]

yup

[noble plaza]

awesome, thanks!

[plush tangle]

If you're struggling too much you can consider EXing Olivia, she's a great unit to EX imo

[noble plaza]

I need to do one more battle to get the last 5 spirits i need

I was considering doing Acerola second but...I know who to use as my attacker

[zealous karma]

Hmm I wonder if you can try off typing with Slowgaleo sonia Nanu but idk if she can carry the gauge

Round 3 correct?

[noble plaza]

im still on round 2

[zealous karma]

O

This game is bad

[noble plaza]

Are you not able to quadsync in round 2? literally after I queue Excadrill's sync Delibird queues up before I even use it?

[old orchid]

if you have enough resource to get BP Sophocles to 3/5, go grab him

[noble plaza]

for Acerola or Kahili?

[old orchid]

he is Electric type

[noble plaza]

yeah i was just making sure

[old orchid]

for Kahili you got Roark

[zealous karma]

They have 4/5 Olivia

And ingo

[noble plaza]

I also have 2/5 bertha fwiw

[rigid flint]

Oh that's a good team right there then!

[noble plaza]

replace Kukui with Bertha?

[rigid flint]

Yes, since Olivia has sand multipliers

[noble plaza]

Yeah I was using Ingo for Sandstorm

It would probably be good to get Sandstorm off without having to queue a move for it

[rigid flint]

Oh right yes

Is Ingo EX'd?

Or have you been syncing with Olivia first?

[zealous karma]

Round 3 is such alie

[rigid flint]

I mean

Granted SS Diantha does carry

[zealous karma]

Hmm I tried it out and it seems doable with good rng

(Round 3)

[rigid flint]

Omg that background is so good

I've gotta buy that once I have enuf resources

And yeah it def seems doable

[noble plaza]

Yeah he's already EX'd, I've been syncing with him first.

[rigid flint]

Ah, right

Ingo, Olivia and Kukui should work...

But the problem is the quad queueing right?

[zealous karma]

Yes

[zealous karma]

Are you usinr sandstorm on turn one?

[noble plaza]

Yeah

[noble plaza]

Yeah it doesn't seem to even be available here?

[zealous karma]

Don’t do that that could be the cause of your failed quad queues

Try queueing sandstorm on turn 2

[noble plaza]

wait really?

[zealous karma]

Yes

[noble plaza]

So that's why the Delibird queued even after I queued my sync move?

[old orchid]

setting up field effects too early makes them expire right before sync, making quad queue impossible

[noble plaza]

ohhhh

Thanks for the clarification!

[zealous karma]

I wish Capcut didn’t suck and I could edit that better lel

Oh wait there is a draw feature

[noble plaza]

I know what you mean, the orange box in the bottom left

Thanks for the visual!

[zealous karma]

Here’s a better one lel sorry

I’m so bad at stuff like this lel

I could’ve used computer but I’m supposed to be doing stuff

[noble plaza]

FFFFFFFUUUUUCK I MANAGED TO FINALLY GET MY QUADQUEUE IN AND I KILLED THE DAMN BRAVIARY BUT THEN THE SALAMENCE KILLED ME WITH HEAT WAVE 😭

[old orchid]

If you fail quad queue too much switch to post sync then

[noble plaza]

yeah that might be my best bet

[tame gust]

I feel like EX Hilbert, N-Zek, and Luxray shouldn't have any issues with Acerola. Granted my N's only 1/5 so the damage is kinda not as high as I'd like. But it might also be a skill issue and not knowing what order to queue moves.

oh. N/zek doesn't even have a lucky skill

[swift swan]

Hilbert TM twice, x speed all, sync
Volkner Thunder fang, electric terrain, spam thunder fang until terrain runs out then reapply
N I like to go TM, Bolt Strike, TM. so I can get SEUP twice before he gets any sync buffs

keep the second bolt strike (boosted by SEUP from the second TM) after Hilbert syncs

[tame gust]

I'll give that a shot. also terrain won't run out since I'm doing Ace round 1

well middle died no problem but the sides got me with surf.

[swift swan]

hmm, you can try flinching with volkner

[tame gust]

I did, but thunder fang decided to miss :D

...oh wow, acerola just decided to say "Kay die" and used Air Cutter twice in a row.

[zealous karma]

If you can ensure that N’s sync OHKOs center, you. Can flinch the sides on
Cycle 5 (sync countdown 2 Acerola)
And cycle 6 (sync countdown one) you flinch each side

[tame gust]

no sync tiles to boost N's sync nuke, so I'm bolt strike blasting after using Hilbert sync since N's also not EX'd.

[zealous karma]

Can save his SEUn TM for it

[tame gust]

nah even with SEUn it didn't do enough for an OHKO. but not to worry, just finished the fight. Just had to get better with where my targeting went.

[zealous karma]

Even in terrain

[tame gust]

if it's not 100% chance it's 0% on sync critting

[zealous karma]

That’s a pretty good sync for a 1/5 striker

[tame gust]

ROARK WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! Had that win in the bag but then he decides to miss head smash on the delibird queuing up blizzard. :I

[tired sleet]

I implore you to take his accuracy tiles

[tame gust]

I did.

granted.. was using Sync nuke grid, so I didn't grab but one of them..

Head Smash might be the play here. But I'll save Kahli for R4 since I'm using Kukui for his fun bs

[tired sleet]

Why not use a mixed grid, like this one
Spark also recommends it, so it must be good

[noble plaza]

Can Olivia even survive post-sync?

[toxic cobalt]

I don't know what Ingo does, but would replacing him with Acerola work?

[noble plaza]

he starts sandstorm

and lowers accuracy

he's also ex'd

[old orchid]

Kahili sync is physical so she might survive even without def buff

If she cant bring a def buffer

[dark osprey]

Would suggest not starting with Ingos sandstorm on the first move since it usually prevents quad queueing

[toxic cobalt]

If that's
it then Acerola is much better

He's probably doing something else though.

[old orchid]

he can tank and allow you to bring another dmg dealer like Roark

[toxic cobalt]

I know he can, but to my understanding the third is Kukui

[old orchid]

toss Kukui then

[toxic cobalt]

For Acerola?

[old orchid]

for Roark

https://tenor.com/view/wink-hearts-credittorockemeron-guzma-pokemon-gif-10349537

[noble plaza]

Finally done with Round 2! Thanks for all the help!

Who should I do next?

[old orchid]

avoid fighting Acerola on R3 since the param increases the damage from trap

[noble plaza]

oh yeahh

Should I go Nessa or Lysandre for Olivia?

[toxic cobalt]

May as well use Lysandre

[swift swan]

Wait, this week's not the last week of Alola 😭 I kept thinking it was

[full mesa]

Next week I'm gonna use SSR Cynthia

[tame gust]

Alright so the plan for Kahli is Hop, Roark, Kukui. And for bug weak, thinking of doing Escavalier, Accelgor, and not sure what I’ll bring for tank.

[old orchid]

Marley

To counter paralysis

Choose R1 param and after using her TM, your team completely immunes to status conditions

[tame gust]

Oh right yeah

[crystal notch]

...Well, why didn't I think of that?

[old orchid]

[trail smelt]

Yeah still 1 more week of Alola haha

[noble plaza]

Would Elio, Lysandre, and SS Blue be a good team for Olivia on R3?

I mean, Sing does have shit accuracy

[full mesa]

Then grid for sing accuracy and troublemaker

[noble plaza]

where is troublemaker on elio's grid?

also I dont see any sing accuracy tiles?

[full mesa]

Troublemaker is a lucky skill

[junior crown]

Uhm I don`t know why Elio

[noble plaza]

Sleep

[junior crown]

SS Lysandre wants to burn them

it's better to just bring a rain pair

[noble plaza]

Yeahhhh I realized that might've been a silly idea haha

[noble plaza]

Oh I know, I just assumed you meant that Troublemaker was part of its grid

[full mesa]

Also you don't need that much sleep. Just one or two times. SSBlue can counter mid and SSLysandre can delete afterwards. Also if you're using SSLysandre, maybe it's better to use Flannery for burn.

[junior crown]

Can be SS Lysandre + Any Rain + supp that can raise +2 spa if possible, but should not need it

[noble plaza]

Nice! I was able to do it with SS Lysandre, May, and SS Blue!

[brave halo]

So this is just idea throwing in case a future cs has me using ssmorty somewhere else but still has Fire, is this is alright team since Ethan just got buffed?

[mellow linden]

No Sp. Atk. buffer and no Sun setter (Blaine exists and does not require any grid whatsoever), and that’s ignoring the fact that Ethan is still outclassed by the majority of alternatives outside of maybe Sync nuke

[brave halo]

Uhhhh ethan already buffs his own spatk

[mellow linden]

Too slowly when his damage output is already on the lower side

[civic trellis]

Why not use silver? He’s much better I think

[mellow linden]

Power Boost Silver blows Ethan out of the water

[brave halo]

This is mainly for outside sun related stuff

[mellow linden]

Blaine exists and requires no grid whatsoever, so if you have SS Morty as well then there is no reason whatsoever to worry about Sunless Fire teams

[brave halo]

Well he's gonna need a grid if used by me, but thankfully its just a more thought process kinda thing, not fully gonna be used unless needed in the future, helps me sort out my brain and maybe make sure I'm not too much of an idiot

[zealous karma]

Don’t you have SSMorty?

[mellow linden]

He requires no grid regardless of who uses him if he’s only there for Sunny Day (lack of trust does not refute facts), but I know full well that there’s no point in continuing down that conversation

[zealous karma]

Oh ready my

Reading is hard

[civic trellis]

Try and prioritize the pairs that actually need a grid

Blaine for example will only be setting sun and has no mp refresh iirc

[mellow linden]

Yeah, no MP Refresh

Only Solar Sync, which he’s almost always not gonna make use of

Unless you wanna Sync nuke with him

[zealous karma]

Have you planned your other teams and what team are you using SSMorty for ?

[civic trellis]

I used many pairs gridless for a while due to a lack of orbs and I was fine, dont worry too much about things like move levels and grids cuz it all depends on the pairs

[brave halo]

He's still gonna require if I'm the person using him, otherwise he becomes iphone, cracking to the smallest thing

[civic trellis]

Wdym

[mellow linden]

Someday you’ll really have to tell us about your custom version of PMEX, because everyone has been using him way before he had his grid and he worked fine then

[civic trellis]

The grid does not help, at all

[rotund lagoon]

Here’s my question: do you get that he does not need a grid or not?

[brave halo]

If I'm the one using him or any character for that matter, then yes it is required, but anyone else they can go gridless all they want

[civic trellis]

[rotund lagoon]

That does not answer my question in the slightest.

I’m asking what you know.

[paper summit]

so, what's in his grid that you so desperately need?

at least use some common sense

[brave halo]

He just needs a full grid altogether

[mellow linden]

What specifically?

[civic trellis]

what do u want from his grid

[paper summit]

so you have no idea, good to know

[mellow linden]

What specifically is in his grid that you believe he requires?

[brave halo]

Whatever that one guide I've been following said for him to have

[paper summit]

...

[rotund lagoon]

Source?

[paper summit]

so you have no clue what his grid even does for him

[civic trellis]

Ive played for almost 1.5 yrs and still have many pairs to grid, pls use ur orbs wisely

[paper summit]

do you even bother understanding anything this game does properly?

[mellow linden]

So…you’re just blindly following a grid document without understanding it?

[civic trellis]

Seems like ur setting unnecessary rules for urself
Grid isnt rlly needed sometimes if a pair provides one function at base, like blaine or if the pair is 1/5 they wont benefit much anyway

[trail smelt]

Weather Warrior Blaine haha

[brave halo]

I'm not setting rules onto myself, it's rather I'm learning how bad the game screws me over, and would rather not use a character that's only at base level stats and get absolutely destroyed by a single hit

[mellow linden]

As a general tip, it should be noted that an example grid or recommended grid does not mean that the Sync Pair in question requires a full grid

For a Sync Pair whose sole purpose is to set a weather condition like Blaine, a grid is wholly unnecessary since all he needs to do is set Sun and act as a warm body for triple queue purposes. Even gridless he has the necessary bulk to survive whatever random AoEs the opponent might throw out before you take down the center, and as long as the team is built well once the center goes down you’ve pretty much already won since the sides should follow closely behind

[brave halo]

It's still a requirement if used by me specifically, anyone else can go gridless with no trouble at all

He'll get a grid soon, just got a good chunk of others also needing it

[mellow linden]

Unless you’ve somehow managed to get a custom-made version of PMEX, there is no difference between what your Sync Pairs are capable of and what anyone else’s are capable of

[rotund lagoon]

Do you not believe our advice?

[civic trellis]

“Needing”

U have PB silver right? Just make sure to max his attack and crit and have sun when he syncs and he’ll do tons of damage

[brave halo]

Wait which one is pb silver? First time I've ever heard pb tbh

[civic trellis]

Power boosted

[brave halo]

Oh you meant regular silver, OK yeah I have him

[civic trellis]

He has a great nuke under sun, u can quickly beat a fire stage with him

[brave halo]

Him, ssmorty, and lyra have been my go to fire team

I just wanted to figure out something for Ethan in case I can't get sun yet due to another stage using ssmorty

Seeing how Ethan just got the grid expansion

[rotund lagoon]

That is why Blaine exists.

You use Blaine to apply sun to boost Ethan’s damage

[civic trellis]

Ethan’s expansion is pretty bad iirc, silver is much better

Unless we got fire special CS and u need both just invest into silver, I assume u have his powerboost and EX already

[rotund lagoon]

#1011234431291359302 message

[brave halo]

Yes, the only part he's not maxed in is the level

Being only 140

[civic trellis]

[brave halo]

Oh right, and only crit strike 1

[civic trellis]

140 was the max before 3rd anni, 150 is just smth u do for favs

[mellow linden]

I’m just gonna say something:

Everyone has made mistakes and/or poor choices in teambuilding/gameplay at some point. It’s just a part of playing the game. Making mistakes is part of the very process of learning and improvement, in fact.

But blaming the game for your failures, claiming it’s because “they aren’t at a high enough move level” or “they need a full grid” or “I don’t have enough EXs yet”, all those things? Doing those things actively harms your ability to improve.

You won’t learn how to fix your mistakes if you blame it on lack of pair/roster investment rather than a simple blunder that everyone makes.

I get it, it sucks to realize you goofed. I’ve been there tons of times. But it’s better to understand that you goofed and not make the same mistake, because the alternative is not improving at all.

[north crown]

bro when are you gonna learn

[civic trellis]

And u can grind cookies rn

[manic kiln]

reality will hit you hard when you start doing MM and realize having a grid and 5/5 or more ex won't help you at all when people still clear 12k5 with 1/5 gridless. you seriously need to learn team building and game mechanics better. you want to use ethan because of the extra grid but he's still worse than for example 1/5 sshilda because you don't even know what's in their kit, so good luck

[rotund lagoon]

Trust me, I still regret candying my Anni Lillie

[north crown]

oml perfect timing...?

[civic trellis]

Did not expect that

[north crown]

honestly I personally don't good cs nuke, uxie auto, and potion utility makes up for it

[rotund lagoon]

I have excess power ups and spirits again, I should EX him like I wanted to before

[civic trellis]

I may consider it in the distant future cuz I have a lot of pairs id like to EX (for holo foil/music keys)

[rotund lagoon]

Yeah mine is just for favs

[brave halo]

Well anyway, like I said, I can run blaine when he's given a grid, but not yet as I plan to go for one my other ghost strikes, seeing as how Morty is my only one set up right now

But who out of the Ethan team can I swap out for blaine tho? Assuming he was gridded up by now

[main crow]

Why are you using Ethan?

[brave halo]

He just got the grid expansion and who knows if something for cs, or any stage really, would stop me from using silver and/or ssmorty

[main crow]

Nothing touches the MoOh/Silver combo in CS iirc, never had any problems running them in all the regions

[brave halo]

Well what about any potential future special cs?

[main crow]

So far we know it reuses assets of preexisting fire weak CS stages and only adding one new stage

[brave halo]

Still we had that special cs that had pure grass weak stages

They could do that for fire too

[main crow]

Yeah and fire is an abundant type

[civic trellis]

Currently no NC is weak to fire, and we dont know how often they’ll come

[main crow]

There are better choices than Ethan imo, his expansion doesn't really fix his core problem

[civic trellis]

And u also have sst red, ash, and zerena 3/5 EX so u can off type 3 stages

Also nothing would stop u from using silver over ethan bcz silver has special and physical dps

[main crow]

If I want a pure special fire Flannery is there for me🗿

[civic trellis]

If u are trying to make a sun team without mooh use silver blaine and a special/physical support depending on if ur using overheat or sacred fire

And get dauntless as a LS

[brave halo]

That's moat likely gonna rarely happen, my luck with ls is putrid

[civic trellis]

Well then better start grinding LG before ur stuck with a limited amount of cookies

[brave halo]

I could only get up to three wins tho, so won't do me much help

[civic trellis]

U can just beat one stage over and over again

[rotund lagoon]

Or do the three stages then reset

[civic trellis]

Yeah

[main crow]

You can reset yeah but I'm fairly certain your units can get you to more than that if you try

You can always ask around #1012311116778586182 Folks

[brave halo]

I'd be forced to have to constantly reset then

Doesn't bode well that I just lost my only good fire team to cobalion anyway after reseting

[manic kiln]

ssred, ash and a support destroy cobalion easy farming but should go to #1012311116778586182

[civic trellis]

Well thats how cookie grinding works….

[civic trellis]

Yk it resets ur used pairs too right

So u can just keep beating the stages with the same team

Kind of time consuming and boring tbh, I just try and do 20 cookies a day

[north crown]

lmao it's just pressing a few buttons, then going afk for a while

[meager agate]

instant dopamine

[tired sleet]

Level 141?

[meager agate]

i was referring to the discharge miss but ok

[rigid flint]

What's wrong with Level 141

Also yeah the discharge miss is chef's kiss

[swift swan]

Gladion

[meager agate]

admittedly the lv141 is probably one of those things that should trigger my OCD but just doesn’t, i do it to further differentiate my EX units at a glance. it has no real bearing on who i decide to 150 every so often

[meager agate]

Gladion

[meager agate]

honestly looking back at the recording i don’t even really smile, i am so socially inept that i can have a reaction without any of the actual happiness showing on my face it’s incredible lmfao

[zealous karma]

I regret pulling SSLeon to 6/5 not that’s not a typo

[keen silo]

good thing i guess lol, haven't checked in here for a while

[swift swan]

that message was from a month ago

[old orchid]

peak of backreading

[noble plaza]

I'm having a bit of trouble turn denying for Acerola (Round 4). I'm trying to do do EX Sonia, BP Sophocles (3/5), and SS Elesa but I can't seem to oneshot the Frillish, and if I try to wittle it down earlier I'll miss turns where I can buff.

Also these 3 have so many passives that I don't think it's worth attempting to quadqueue

[old orchid]

replace SS Elesa with Electric terrain

you cant quad queue with Sonia unless you give her Vigilance

[noble plaza]

she already has Vigilance

[old orchid]

oh i mean Adrenaline

[noble plaza]

Oh really?

I kind of assume all supports should get Vigilance adsfgdsa

[old orchid]

most of them want Vigilance yes

[meager agate]

team swift reaction makes the quadqueue impossible yeah

[old orchid]

i gave mine Adrenaline just to not care about quad queuing anymore

[meager agate]

unintentional game mechanic moment

[noble plaza]

exactly. that's why i don't want to bother attempting to quadqueue

[swift swan]

you have ss elesa for sync accel so you can sync twice before the opponent. so yeah, replace sonia with electric terrain

[noble plaza]

I don't have Electric Terrain

[old orchid]

then do what nov said then

wait

[noble plaza]

[old orchid]

instead of trying to do turn denial, just focus on taking down mid first

[swift swan]

hmmm. actually do you really need to quadqueue? ss elesa handles sync accel just fine

[noble plaza]

No I was trying to turn deny

I wasn't bothering with quad queue

[swift swan]

try focusing on mid, maybe

[noble plaza]

alrighty

[noble plaza]

Should I get Breathtaking MP Refresh?

[old orchid]

yes

its the only good tile in her grid

[noble plaza]

I meant should I reset for a Breathtaking MP refresh, sorry for the wording

[old orchid]

not necessary

[noble plaza]

gotcha

[wary obsidian]

Is hau the hardest cs

[old orchid]

this week? probably the hardest Alola CS if you dont have anyway to cure and counter paralysis

[wary obsidian]

Yea

[sick inlet]

Hau is the only stage I couldn't beat with my challenges. Had to use a support after I gave up

[meager agate]

just dodge the discharge 5head

[junior crown]

For me there is no "hardest" CS because it always depends on your roster, considering the types this week for easy f2p pairs we have fire and water covered with silver and cyrus, so that leaves bug, rock and eletric, those 3 depends more on your roster (so let's say you have Alder/SSHilbert/SCSubway, bug is "easier" than rock), hau can do eletric (at least 2/5), but if you don't have ontype for other can always offtype/poison stall (and sometimes offtype/poison stall is "easier" than ontype as well)

because again depends on roster (the pairs and sometimes grid/lucky skills as well, while other times just the pair is enough)

[sand karma]

With CBlue, SSHilbert and Raihan, I'm covered on all the annoying entry stages right?

[formal vigil]

which entry stages does ss hilbert cover

[old orchid]

None lol

Bug weak Lucian has Wise Entry x2

[formal vigil]

only one i think off is aaon maybe

and i think seibold

[old orchid]

Oh yeah him

Siebold doesnt have entry x2 iirc

[formal vigil]

he does but sentry entry x2

meanwhile most bugs are speical anyways

[sand karma]

I got confused

Siebold has sentry x2

[swift swan]

sc submas this and wise entry x2 lucian that... I just use Lunge Lusamine and Guzma

[old orchid]

smh noone uses Bugsy

[main crow]

People with f2p clears

[junior crown]

I think F2P people would use Noland instead

[old orchid]

imo Bugsy is better

Fury Cutter is too slow to build up

and X-Scissor is weaker than Twinneedle

[junior crown]

But I think Bugsy needs more supp help

Noland can get +6 attack so needs crit, but Bugsy needs crit and attack

of course lot of pairs fulfill those 2 needs, but maybe it's just easier to set Noland up (same for noland multiplier being speed while bugsy is evass)

[old orchid]

Noland can only get +4 without MPR

thats not a problem tho

a lot of f2p supports that buff crit and atk

[junior crown]

It has berserker 1 that is next to inertia, but I need to test to see how it goes with both to confirm who fits better is the teams (the thing is going yo Champ to test it...)

[full mesa]

If you have 3/5 Hilbert, he can max out Bugsy in 2 turns.

[noble plaza]

I was able to beat Acerola's Drifblim a few times but the damn Frillish keep beating me with Surf 😭

I'm using EX Sonia, 3/5 BP Sophocles and SS Elesa

[main crow]

Do you have Volkner?

Oh wait nvr

[noble plaza]

i dont think so

[main crow]

I assume Soph is not ex?

[noble plaza]

nope

I have the champion spirits to EX him but I don't know if I want to yet

[main crow]

No rush I think it's possible with the team if you do the sides first

If you want to play safer you can change SS Elesa with someone who provides spdef buff so your team can handle the eventual surf spam

[noble plaza]

would I have to post sync for that?

[late grove]

did you tried hau?

[main crow]

Pretty much

[noble plaza]

Regular or SS?

[late grove]

regular

[noble plaza]

No, I haven't actually. I wasn't sure how well he'd work considering he's a special attacker

[swift swan]

Ss elesa covers everything he needs

[late grove]

he should work

Inertia nuke

[swift swan]

Idk how good hau is compared to bp sophocles though

I never really tried using soph

[late grove]

sophocles does a bit of an edge against hau

[main crow]

Hau I believe edge him out a lil in terms of sync

But BP Soph have a stronger DPS

[noble plaza]

So if I were to go Hau would I also have to deal with the sides first?

Also should I replace EX Sonia with someone else?

[main crow]

Hau have discharge which hits all but aoe move tend to have damage cuts

[noble plaza]

yeah true

[late grove]

ex support + hau and volkner should work

I could do a clear if doesn't works

[noble plaza]

i dont have Volkner

[late grove]

someone to enable his inertia

[noble plaza]

Elio, EX Skyla, and Sycamore are still available

I could save Sycamore for the Champion, but for what it's worth I have SC Ingo and SC Emmet.

Sycamore isn't EX'd unfortunately

[main crow]

Hau can't give himself crit and SS Elesa only gives +1 from TM

Sonia can technically gives speed but it's a slow process

[noble plaza]

oh thats a good point

[main crow]

Do you have anyone else that can give crit you haven't used?

Hau can give himself +6 speed but you need to waste 2 turns for his TM

[noble plaza]

I have BP Surge, Hop, Torchic, Lyra, Piers, Kiawe, Lodge Cynthia (the one with Gastrodon), Lodge Elesa (w/ Joltik), Maylene

[late grove]

kiawe or torchic maybe

[noble plaza]

This is so frustrating because I can pre sync but it's the frillish that are giving me problems 😭

although for what it's worth I'm on Round 4 so maybe lowering defense/special defense somehow could help

[late grove]

what the parameters you running?

[noble plaza]

OT Pre Sync 2.5k

[rotund lagoon]

Uhhhh on and off are the same letter

[noble plaza]

OH RIGHT ASDFGDS

On type

[late grove]

and round?

[noble plaza]

4

[main crow]

@noble plaza I'm using R1 param but the difference should just be the damage (and the mga ig), might need some potion rng in case the recoil is more than 150

This is post sync btw

[noble plaza]

oh you're doing post sync?

and sophocles was able to survive?

[main crow]

Yeah I doubt I can pre sync either

[main crow]

The +6 sp def yeah

[noble plaza]

Ohhh duh

[main crow]

And potion in case his recoil is way more than you expect

[noble plaza]

I was able to defeat the Drifblim pre-sync a few times already, it's the Surf from the Frillish that ruins it

[main crow]

Aim either one of the frillish first

They die in like 2 hits after support ex

Get the other to half health then start focusing on drifblim

[noble plaza]

Then again I had SS Elesa and I've restarted for Breathtaking MPR so that's probably why aha

[noble plaza]

Unfortunately I can't really get Potion MPR because I have 1/5 Sonia

[main crow]

Oof

Safe one for her and then use the last one for Soph

[noble plaza]

Also does Lodge Elesa need above 1/5?

Or to be gridded?

[main crow]

Hold up lemme check smth real quick

2/5 if you want the sp def all mpr

Lemme try with +4 spdef

[noble plaza]

I have the Lodge Stones to upgrade Elesa to 2/5

[main crow]

Weird screenshot timing but 1/5 Sonia should be fine too along with the +4 spdef only

[noble plaza]

Nice!

...mostly fine at least haha

[main crow]

It did surf before drifblim even went down

But yeah should be good to run pre sync with

[junior crown]

you can always poison stall or offtype too if you're struggling

[main crow]

I can record for you if you'd like @noble plaza

[noble plaza]

oh I can presync? Nice!

[main crow]

Oh wait

No post sync

[noble plaza]

oh okay haha

[noble plaza]

and that'd be great if it isn't too much trouble

[main crow]

Aight gimme a moment

[main crow]

@noble plaza

If you need the points I used @noble plaza

[noble plaza]

thanks a million!

[plush tangle]

shouldn't you do literally the same thing but attack the left one first instead of the right one

so you deny its turn

[main crow]

If that's the case then attack the left frillish first @noble plaza

Sorry for the many pings 😅

[noble plaza]

thank you so much!!! I can finally fight the champion!

[zealous karma]

how'd it go?

[noble plaza]

It went great! Ingo and Emmet destroyed them and I used Aaron for support

the SC ones

[zealous karma]

Gaming

[main crow]

[main crow]

Possibly Sinnoh CS next, 12.5k sinnoh sounds like fun

[crystal notch]

time to jump off the deep end

this is my trial

see if I can actually do it

[tame gust]

I’d bet dollars to donuts it’s Sinnoh CS. Too much Gen4 stuff going on for it not to happen

[swift swan]

that would be nice

[old orchid]

cool

im waiting for it

time to beat up Cynthia

[swift swan]

time to get my revenge on fairy-weak cynthia with my Mina

[keen jasper]

Me Who Destroyed Fairy-Weak Cynthia With SS Wally:

[stuck dagger]

Based

[versed meteor]

Had to screen hau to the damn end 😡

[manic kiln]

Sinnoh is almost guaranteed even before the announcement because Alola finished the last cycle
we'll get sinnoh > hoenn > johto > kalos > unova > kanto > alola again unless they decide to add a new region in the next few months and start a new rotation (very likely with galar VA)

[sick inlet]

Aw shit
Here we go again

[brave halo]

I'm glad I ain't doing mm yet, is sinnoh seen as the most difficult?

[nocturne pawn]

yes

the amount of entry x2 passives is really annoying

and sometimes the gimmicks are just mean

fairy weak cynthia as an example

[mellow linden]

If we get Sinnoh CS I’ll be excited to test out NY Lisia against Cynthia

[brave halo]

Oh crap that one is gonna be difficult

Like my only usable fairy striker is valerie, unless I want to use egg clefable

[mellow linden]

Mina exists

[tired sleet]

Mina is way better than Valerie

[brave halo]

Haven't gotten her gridded up yet

[mellow linden]

Mina is physical, even, so Wise Entry x2 means nothing to her

[nocturne pawn]

who was fairy weak cynthia even meant for

[brave halo]

Hopefully fairy weak cynthia is a long while from now

[mellow linden]

I think Lillie + Clefairy and Summer Marnie

[brave halo]

Gives me time to actually grid up mina, but sadly both are pretty small

[tired sleet]

Spring Burgh and SuMarnie

[brave halo]

Just having 140 to their name (valerie included)

[mellow linden]

Oh, does Spring Burgh buff Accuracy?

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[mellow linden]

TIL

[old orchid]

worst case scenario you have a whole week to prepare for her grid

[mellow linden]

A week would almost certainly be more than enough time to get the most important tiles, yeah

[nocturne pawn]

oh right spirit break is physical

i was like whos a fairy dps that isnt mina or lyrapuff or ny lisia

[brave halo]

True

But yeah these are my only usable damage dealers in fairy

[nocturne pawn]

valerie aint usable 💀

[brave halo]

Everything else is support

[nocturne pawn]

also were you here for the champion select

[old orchid]

why did you invest on striker Clefable first before Mina tho

[nocturne pawn]

is striker clef actually better than valerie

[brave halo]

Wait what?

[nocturne pawn]

cuz it looks like it

[mellow linden]

Mina should work even on Master Mode, so Hard Mode there’d be no issues and it’d take exactly 1 week to get her most important grid tiles if you went a sub-optimal tile route

[tired sleet]

Probably

[old orchid]

Valerie at least has better sync

[mellow linden]

Heck, even mostly-optimal tile routing is 1 week if you skip some of the initial ring of 6

[old orchid]

but both are not better than Mina

[nocturne pawn]

mfw exless

[brave halo]

Did you mean by investing into clefable before mina like the star stuff?

[tired sleet]

A single 50% sync multiplier

[old orchid]

[brave halo]

All my characters are at least 4 star or higher, so all my 3 star power ups just went into eggs cause I had nothing else to do with them, and I gain a lot of them frequently anyway

If that's what you meant

On good news, it's only some days till I can fully grid her up so it isn't bad

[mellow linden]

Only a week to get her damage modifier tiles, which are the necessary ones

Less depending on Lodge/event income

[brave halo]

But is it actually gonna be fairy weak on week 1?

[mellow linden]

This assumes the worst case scenario

[brave halo]

True

[mellow linden]

You can just move her up in grid priority to grab the damage modifier tiles and then get the rest at a later point if you lack Sync Orbs

[brave halo]

Getting her grid was gonna happen anyway, just like every character, being any move level doesn't affect me tbh

Only means 1/5 and 2/5 let's me get the custom orbs made already

It's really been pure luck that whenever someone suggests a character that they happen to be gridless at the time

[mellow linden]

So future reference, if you can’t get their most important tiles then there’s no need to grid them. It’ll help you make sure you have enough orbs on hand when you need them

[brave halo]

It's mainly that I get the custom orbs out of the way for when they get to 3/5 and in case I don't get new characters, like as if I'm purely stuck with what I have now

My pull rate also abysmal but I've really only been caring for 5 star power ups anyway

[mellow linden]

You can just use orbs if you get too close to the cap, better system than constantly being out when you need them

[brave halo]

I haven't felt any issue honestly, it's felt fine for me, I've never really stressed over not having the orbs, I have a good chunk of characters fully gridded anyway

Maybe like about 3/4s I think?

Honestly the only 2 I can think of being in priority would be fantina and mina

[mellow linden]

Just keep in mind that you can store ~12 or so grids' worth of universal orbs before hitting the cap, so don't feel pressured to grid 1/5 pairs or pairs you don't plan to use anyways

[brave halo]

I never did feel pressured

I just wanted them out of the way a long time ago

I really only got 3 supports not gridded up yet as 2/5 or lower

I would share the whole list of all my pairs and who still needs to be gridded but that'll take up chat space and it'd have to be a small vid

[zealous karma]

Her Hp is also extremely low so it s a fairly easy fight

PSerena was able to clear it at 2/5

[old orchid]

just to confirm, "her" is Fairy weak Cynthia right?

[zealous karma]

Yes

[brave halo]

So who would be better after grdding up mina? Cause it between her, valerie, or 150 egg clafable

[mellow linden]

Mina blows eggmons out of the water and assuming no Entry x2 passives in play is a lot better than Valerie at damage output

[brave halo]

Even though all 3 are 0/20 4 stars?

[mellow linden]

Potential has nothing to do with it, Mina has a better kit for damage output

[brave halo]

Oh and clefable has crit strike while the other two dont

[mellow linden]

Mina blows eggmons out of the water

[paper summit]

every single eggmon is outclasssed by even the lowest tier regular pairs, except for tech and striker Gyarados, and they are only viable because they have Hyper Beam, otherwise they'd be trash like all the others

[old orchid]

Strike Perrserker erasure

[paper summit]

I mean, we have power boosted Solgaleo now

Perrserker is nice but its only use case now is steel weak Glacia

[old orchid]

at least it counters Wise Entry x2 Glacia

[wide adder]

"Field effects are permanent" the types: literally everyone wants field effect
how am i supposed to pick just one to give it to DENA?!

train bros+olivia, Krisgator+hilbert+rain, A!N, Ghetsis, Goldie,
roughly my planned teams for the types

[old orchid]

most if not all just need 2 uses of weather

Anni N team just needs sun when N is about to nuke

[wide adder]

i guess ill just give it to elesa team probs cause prob my weaker team? i really dont know if itll make a big diff but, prob my slowest clear ig since i dont got elec favs to ex just yet....or is it better to save stat lowering for electric, actually... might be... huh.

bleh, ill give kris the infinite so i can increase def down

“Go for it!” “Go for it!” “Go for it!”

thunder fang spam is a viable strat apparently when everyone died

(thought run was dead but tried to keep rolling anyway)

any support examples to go with alder+lucian, or does 3rd slot not really matter on this team as long as it buffs crit

[old orchid]

you need someone to counter Hau's paralysis

Marley is the top choice

because with R1 param, her status shield lasts forever

[wide adder]

when does hau para

[tired sleet]

Every time he uses discharge

[wide adder]

i just brought redlax just now to test and he didnt para us. huh. that or it was too meaningless due to lucians gauge charge spam

honestly, im pretty happy that i finally have a bug unit that can carry bug content pretty well. the styles of the f2p ones were a bit weird when i looked at them, but 1/5 alder does a great job at just deleting the stage.

the sync did more than i thought it would too, sides almost dead in one go

[versed meteor]

Somehow i have the blue arcanine, i have ss may and still any fire weak cs stage is done by silver

[swift swan]

silver supremacy

[sacred mountain]

Does Solgaleo power boost help him 2.5k?

Or did they give any good steel type grids

[swift swan]

He got some nice multipliers

Though he could 2.5k before his powerboost

[sacred mountain]

If Solgaleo covers Steel
And 5/5 Wally EX can cover fighting

I can 12.5k again

Actually also H.Leon for ice

[rigid flint]

I feel like it's been a while since our last fighting weak stage

Wally's been collecting too much dust

[old orchid]

hope next week has perm field effect

[rigid flint]

3 weeks in a row of perma field effect

[trail smelt]

Make every round perma field effect

[latent eagle]

Is there an order for this week or? I completely forgot its Sunday so I gotta speed the CS MM lmaoooo

[old orchid]

The order depends on your teams

Fighting physical stages on R5 is recommendeded

[latent eagle]

Which stages are physical?

[old orchid]

No need to ping

Check the pins for info

[mellow linden]

Don't have a choice on R5, sooo

[latent eagle]

Okay so how does roark nuke exactly work? Like how do I set it up? I don't have many rock or bug types but I can't nuke both of those stages with the pika's bc acerola

[keen jasper]

Has anyone tried to use Emma as a poison stall unit?

[old orchid]

Roark has Haymaker, that means he needs +6 atk and +3 crit

Read kit and grid of a pair carefully to know how they work

[latent eagle]

And where can u read the kit and grids of units?

[old orchid]

Pomatools or ingame menu

+pomatools

[frozen depot]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs

[latent eagle]

What's a good team for roark cause I've been at this for a while now....

[old orchid]

First, is he fully gridded?

Secondly, send your roster here by using this site

+tracker

[frozen depot]

https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/

For newcomers/beginners, check the video below on how to properly showcase your pairs : https://i.imgur.com/A0XcAgZ.mp4

[latent eagle]

Yes he's gridded I've nearly won once but haven't come close since

I'm doing this on mobile and id implode if I tried to actually fill it out with everyone's correct move lvl etc

[old orchid]

What move level is your Hilbert?

[latent eagle]

Max and EX

[main crow]

If that's the case then perhaps Roark/Hilbert/potion support

BP morty perhaps

[latent eagle]

Damn I forgot I used hilbert in the water stage oop I do not remember my teams

[main crow]

Sonia then?

Assuming she's 3/5 and ex

[mellow linden]

Hop + Roark + Skyla’s an easy Roark team

[latent eagle]

I've tried that but I can't win

[mellow linden]

What parameters and Roark grid are you using?

[latent eagle]

On type pre sync and here’s Roark’s grid

[old orchid]

Did you do quad queue?

[mellow linden]

And what specifically is going wrong?

[main crow]

Remind me does Kahili toxic have go viral?

[old orchid]

Yes

[latent eagle]

Yes im quad queuing and mainly I can't kill mid b4 sync and if I do the sides take me out, the sides pretty much take me out no matter what

[mellow linden]

What's your Olivia's move level, perchance?

[latent eagle]

2/5 non EX

[mellow linden]

Hmmm

[swift swan]

2/5 Olivia can nuke well, but she'll have to DPS the sides

[mellow linden]

Could try aiming a couple Head Smashes at the sides before KOing center, since center should go down to Roark's Sync anyways

[old orchid]

What move level is your Sonia? If 3/5 she can carry both Olivia and Roark

[mellow linden]

Oh, that's also a good plan

[old orchid]

Although you have do turn denial on the left side

[latent eagle]

She’s 4/5 but not EXed and I usually stick her with my ash team

[old orchid]

I think that team can do it without EX support

[mellow linden]

A Kanto tank works better on an Ash team anyways

So can definitely use Sonia here still

[old orchid]

Sonia doesnt have good synergy with Ash team

A Kanto tank would be better than her

[latent eagle]

Turn denial? Flinching I’m assuming?

[old orchid]

You kill the side before they have a chance to move

So that you can sync twice before the opponent first sync

[mellow linden]

You could RNG reset until the opponent doesn't attack Sonia right before your 1st Sync so quadqueue is an option, but that's not as reliable, I don't think

[latent eagle]

Not sure how i could do that when I’m struggling to really do anything

[main crow]

Which round are you doing Kahili btw?

I have a team in mind but I need to test it out first in the stage

[mellow linden]

Presumably aiming your 1st Sync (Olivia's) + a Head Smash at that side would do the trick

[latent eagle]

Doing kahili R3

[mellow linden]

Out of curiosity, do you need to save Round 4 for whoever's last?

Because if not then Sonia can help even more on Round 4 due to Defense debuffs

[latent eagle]

Nope acerola is getting nuked by pika so she could be R3

[main crow]

Is R3 strictly for status or is condition? (Ie Flinch)

[old orchid]

I think the param does affect flinch

also trap and confusion

[main crow]

Grant/SS Brock/Sonia? I tested that out earlier, with pre sync param, kahili still synced but it wasn't that bad

And the team certainly gets the job done

[old orchid]

But why did you go with worse options? replace Brock with Roark seems better at least

[main crow]

It's a cheesy strat

Flinch reliance basically

[latent eagle]

SS brock is still 3* grant might work but he's 4*

[main crow]

If you don't have the resources then leaving Brock is fine

You can just grid rock slide aggravation on Grant

[old orchid]

Grant has innate Aggravation

Replace Brock with Roark for more damage

[junior crown]

I don't have her, but should work better than Koga (she has potions as bonus and shouldn't spend gauge)

[latent eagle]

I feel like this could work, probably is none of mine are EXed or 3/5….

[swift swan]

does it even matter? that team is very busted 😭

[latent eagle]

True, I'll try the team at my current lvl once my iPad charges

[civic trellis]

Can confirm this works (all 1/5)

[keen jasper]

Not as busted as the 3rd anni trio tho

[full mesa]

Isn't it?

Damn. 3rd anni trio still at the top.

[formal vigil]

what does chop even do for the 3.5 anni trio team

[civic trellis]

I think its cuz marnie and hop dont have that much synergy

[rotund lagoon]

Very good question

[civic trellis]

Red and ash have synergy and cynthia provides tanking and pmun/smun

[civic trellis]

He can debuff ig

Also speed to help with gauges

Prob better options tho, like ccalem or cyruss

[rotund lagoon]

There are 10x better options for that team than Chop

[keen jasper]

Red and Ash can counter one of the entry passives

If it's Wise Entry, SST Red. If it's Sentry Entry, Ash

[formal vigil]

same for 3.5 anni

special marnine physical hop

[keen jasper]

But C. Bede can't fully max out both defensive stats at the start

[rotund lagoon]

But the synergy

[keen jasper]

Also, Ash and Red's gauges are very cheap while as C. Hop and C. Marnie are both 4-gauge damage dealers

And SST Red can AoE debuff both defensive stats while as C. Hop only debuffs one at a time

[rotund lagoon]

AoE damage from Red, mid damage from Ash

Also big burst damage from Ash if needed

[keen jasper]

And SSA Cynthia can help Ash's B Thunderbolt damage further

[rotund lagoon]

SMUN , right

[latent eagle]

That's against grimsley.....not kahili and def not from this week, I got killed by poison

[civic trellis]

Should still work

[latent eagle]

It ain't I can tell you that much + you have EXed bede and marine

[rotund lagoon]

What parameters are you using?

[latent eagle]

Off type pre sync

For hop/bede/marnie

[rotund lagoon]

Is Physical or Special Damage Reduction 8 on?

[latent eagle]

I don't remember

[rotund lagoon]

Then check.

[latent eagle]

I'm trying a different team atm

[rotund lagoon]

Which one?

[latent eagle]

Roark//colress/hop poison is kicking my ass

[rotund lagoon]

Wait why is Colress there?

And why not just use Marley for example to counter the poison?

[mellow linden]

What happened to Sonia + Roark + Olivia?

[nocturne pawn]

don’t you want to save marley for hau though

[rotund lagoon]

I said for example
Cheryl is fine too

[nocturne pawn]

you can use sycamore for hau if you can actually live

[latent eagle]

Ripple effect 9, I decided to do kahila R4

[civic trellis]

I dont think EX should matter too much, marnie’s dps is rlly good

[latent eagle]

Sync boost

[rotund lagoon]

Hang on tho
You have Olivia??

[civic trellis]

Should still be able to clear it

[mellow linden]

They have a non-EX Olivia and it’s apparently the sides that are giving them trouble

Which is why the Sonia + Roark + Olivia team was suggested

[latent eagle]

It definitely can't I've been trying

[civic trellis]

idk how to do it since I have all EXd

[rotund lagoon]

Yeah I was thinking that lol

@latent eagle Is there a reason you’re not trying the team Cobalt suggested? You seem to not have responded about that

[mellow linden]

It was actually Gakon who suggested it, iirc

[latent eagle]

I'm currently trying a team atm I've told y'all this

[rotund lagoon]

The team you told me is not as effective.

[civic trellis]

Btw if salamence is giving u the most trouble focus on it before it poisons

[latent eagle]

It's working I just need to get the timing right

[rotund lagoon]

I will do the Sonia, Roark and Olivia team and record it.

[rotund lagoon]

Yeah that’s what I figured needed to happen

[latent eagle]

Okay but im sticking with the team I have

[rotund lagoon]

You do not need to ping again.

[civic trellis]

U could do hop olivia and colress or sonia olivia hop

[rotund lagoon]

If your team is still causing trouble, let us know

[civic trellis]

Roark may be good but olivia is better I think

[latent eagle]

Whelp beat kahili but now I can't beat hau

[keen jasper]

He can paralyze your entire team with Discharge

HE6 Discharge, which gives him 105% chance to paralyze your entire team

[latent eagle]

No duh figured that out quickly

[keen jasper]

And he can spam it too if he wants

[latent eagle]

Telling me stuff I already know ain't helping

[keen jasper]

I guess that's why we have perma field effects this week

[rotund lagoon]

Then do you know how to counter such a gimmick? Or no?

[latent eagle]

I mean I can make an assumption of putting up a zone/ Terrain

[zealous karma]

Zones don’t have the same features as terrains

They’re just damage fields while some trrrains can have immunities to stuff but idt any of them help here

[rotund lagoon]

I’m talking about the status condition.

Hau’s electric moves have a high chance of paralysis. Tell me, how do you counter such a thing?

[latent eagle]

Full heal, i'm not 5...

[zealous karma]

There’s a lot of other ways than a full heal but sure that’s one

[rotund lagoon]

What’s the other thing you can think of?

[latent eagle]

That's it tbh, there are too many units to know what each and everyone does yet this server thinks everyone should have every unit memorized

[rotund lagoon]

The other answer is to bring someone who has Status Condition Defense, like Marley

[keen jasper]

I was about to say Marley

[rotund lagoon]

Her TM heals the status and does that field effect

[keen jasper]

But you stole my thunder

[manic kiln]

tbh you can ignore para if you still have some OP units left to brute force the stage

[zealous karma]

If they’re asking for help idt that’s the case then

[civic trellis]

I dont think everyone has every unit memorized, thats what porybot is for

[rotund lagoon]

I use Poryphone Bot so much, it is not about memorizing.

[keen jasper]

Marley or SC Lillie

[latent eagle]

Again this server thinks everyone should have every unit memorized and instead of helping me you're like "what unit can do ___" like I don't know! That's why im asking for help for god sakes

[rotund lagoon]

NY Lillie?

[civic trellis]

In bot zone u can see those with lithe and those that block/heal status conditions

[rotund lagoon]

SC’s is a low chance iirc

[keen jasper]

Ah yeah her

I always confuse NY and SC Lillie

[rotund lagoon]

It’s to show why we suggest the team we suggest. People ask all the time.

[zealous karma]

If you don’t enjoy the manner we are helping you could not ask for help and figure it out yourslef 🐴

[keen jasper]

You can use Marley with perma field effects to prevent the Discharge paralysis @latent eagle

[latent eagle]

Tell that to everyone person who's told me to use a different unit instead of hop for atk and crit when he's the only one I can remember saying it in a tone indicating I should clearly know about other units

[rotund lagoon]

We are just trying to help, there is no need to be rude.

[latent eagle]

Y'all ain't helping you were trying to quiz me on units!

Like there are what? Over 100+ at this point?

[zealous karma]

There’s also these filters

[civic trellis]

Everyone seems to be suggesting teams or pairs to use, I dont get how u want us to help u……

[latent eagle]

No one has suggested anything but marley and I was talking more about past experiences w/ that comment

[civic trellis]

Thats…. Bcz marley will help u

[keen jasper]

Marley + Permanent Field Effect

[rotund lagoon]

What is the current team you’re using for Hau? And Marley will play a huge role in this match.

[civic trellis]

U can also check #bot-zone , we put in the command to show those that block/heal status and those with lithe (immune to paralysis)

[manic kiln]

i think they just want the full team

[rotund lagoon]

Well, what is the Bug roster like?

We cannot help if we don’t know your Bug units

[latent eagle]

Garbage so I'm not doing it, was using SST red as that's my default to back up on but I don't think he can really do anything this stage

[keen jasper]

Can you at least please show us your bug units?

[civic trellis]

Is it hard mode

[rotund lagoon]

Pretty please?

[manic kiln]

after playing for a few months you should at least familiar with your roster, that's how you get betting at team building, can't expect to have people build a team for you every time. there are a lot of cases when helper gave people suggestions and they chose to ignore them

roster was posted above i think

[civic trellis]

Also sst red has lithe at 1/5

Just get that and it’ll help with paralysis

[nocturne pawn]

literally just run marley with round 1 parameter never get paralyzed and win

[civic trellis]

Maybe u should consider someone besides sst red actually

Ur boosting hau with electric terrain

[nocturne pawn]

he should be fine anyway

[manic kiln]

marley red + another support, with perma zone parameter

[keen jasper]

@latent eagle What move level is your Burgh/Leavanny?

[soft gyro]

Lillie and Ribombee is also a good support

because one of her TMs applies team status res

I could clear Hau's stage with Pheromosa, Ribombee and Wormadam

at 2.5k points

[nocturne pawn]

ny lillie was literally made for that stage lol

[civic trellis]

They wont share their roster and she’s a limited so idk if they have it

[rotund lagoon]

We try to refrain from suggesting limited units, unless they have them.

Also NY Lillie is niche imo

[soft gyro]

fair enough

Marley does have Status Res too

[rotund lagoon]

I said Marley as the first suggestion, read above

[soft gyro]

ah, right, sorry

An alternative I didn't see mentioned could be Brock Onix

since his TM can be gridded to purge statuses on the entire team

[rotund lagoon]

Sycamore has that on base TM

I would suggest Sycamore way before I would suggest Brock

[keen jasper]

Needs MPR if Hau uses Discharge multiple times

[nocturne pawn]

this is why marley + r1 is better

[rotund lagoon]

True, hence why the field effect is more effective

[soft gyro]

Of course

[latent eagle]

There’s my team ig still can’t do anything

[keen jasper]

Ok, now what move level is your SS Morty?

[latent eagle]

Used already

[soft gyro]

I guess you synced with Sycamore first

[latent eagle]

Yep, was gonna try just syncing w/ Burgh but iPad needs to charge

[keen jasper]

Burgh has sun multipliers

And you're not going to use SS Morty with him?

[nocturne pawn]

yeah hes a pain in the ass to set up properly

honestly id try forgoing marley and use lucian to set up smarty pants easier

[soft gyro]

does he have him though?

[nocturne pawn]

his dps isnt that good its mainly nuke

[keen jasper]

Then who buffs crit?

[latent eagle]

I've used SS Morty

[nocturne pawn]

…does morty not have crit

oh well fuck

[keen jasper]

Oh too bad then

[nocturne pawn]

there goes that idea then

[keen jasper]

His TM does if it's used under sun

[soft gyro]

worst case scenario

give Lithe through cookie

[formal vigil]

melony too

[latent eagle]

So what do I do since I've used SS morty

[nocturne pawn]

off type with marley ig

[keen jasper]

SS Brendan + Burgh + Marley

@latent eagle Oh, what move level is your SS Brendan unless you've used him too?

[latent eagle]

5/5

[keen jasper]

Wow, ok then

[latent eagle]

But he feels frail unless in the right circumstances

[zealous karma]

Hau is special so he should be fine here

[keen jasper]

Hau's attacks are mostly special

[latent eagle]

He came home instead of anni may had to pity for her

[nocturne pawn]

team tough luck makes him tank fine tbh

[keen jasper]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/1901/38100?s=3&l=150&r=6&p=0&a=21010101&g=AAECAwQFBggLDhAmKSssLQ

This is how I'd build SS Brendan

[nocturne pawn]

oh so literally what i use

double head start on him is funny

[zealous karma]

Slight change

You can do this

I love double head start as wel

[keen jasper]

Literally the same either way

[zealous karma]

Ssbrendan + SSEirika for Burgh is a solid team

[keen jasper]

And what about Discharge?

[zealous karma]

Forgor

[junior crown]

It's not like you can't clear if you're paralyzed...

[nocturne pawn]

its fucking annoying though

and he does way more damage if you are paralyzed

[soft gyro]

honestly, Hau is kind of an exception when it comes to final CS stages

the majority of them doesn't revolve around a specific strategy

[zealous karma]

I don’t remember what I used for hau

Oh I used Calem SSBrendan and AniMay

[junior crown]

Well I poison stalled him (like any other CS), so there doesn't exist only one way to clear any stage

[soft gyro]

it must have been a slog

unless it's Grass-weak Blue, Poison is resisted too much

[junior crown]

Well I do poison stall for everyone and it was easy, lot of good parameters this week for poison stall

[nocturne pawn]

regular?

:cursed:

[junior crown]

He is calem fan

His calem is 5/5 EX

[soft gyro]

Easy, i can believe. Not slow to a crawl though, that's harder to achieve

Calem's self heal actually makes him an impromptu tank if you nail those refreshes

[zealous karma]

Correct

5/5 CCalem soon

[keen jasper]

Champion Serena with Water Shuriken says hi

[soft gyro]

she didn't have her stat-reducing passive as a boss though

[zealous karma]

You’re right she has furios brain

[keen jasper]

And Ramming Speed

[keen jasper]

It can still melt your tank

[junior crown]

Of course doing 2 syncs ontype x multiples syncs takes longer, but sometimes it's better than trying 5x the ontype and failing/reseting. And for me I recomend poison stall mostly because with poison stall you need 5 team "forever" while ontype you need 17 teams to build (so it needs a lot less resources and can be done full F2P)

[storm quest]

Definitely poisoned Hau since I wasn't in the mood to struggle with bug (see what I did there) but I actually managed to ontype the rest this week without even seeking advice hahaaa yay. The improvement feels nice.

[latent eagle]

Still can’t beat Hau even with this team

[civic trellis]

I think burgh needs sun, not sure if there’s other grids u could use him with

[latent eagle]

My only other sun besides SS morty is Blaine so--

[junior crown]

Congratz, but why are you giving up on poison stall we need more followers

[junior crown]

Can you show your pairs?? It'll make it easier to help build a team, and you can try offtyping or poison stalling (if you're not against that idea)

[latent eagle]

^^^^

Those are my pairs

[junior crown]

they are not all 1/5 right?

Are you againt poison stall?

[latent eagle]

Obviously not, im on mobile and itd be too much to get everyone's lvls n stuff

[latent eagle]

Nope, just wanna get this done before reset

[junior crown]

Is your Lodge Lillie or BP Clemont build?

[latent eagle]

There are multiple grids for a unit...so they def have a build but maybe not the right one

[junior crown]

Then I recomend you to use SSA Cynthia, Lodge Lillie and Lucy/BP Erika

[civic trellis]

Lyra and VLucas set sun on sync

[junior crown]

Lodge Lillie should have Synchro Healing and you should sync with her (after the first on SSA Cynthia)

[latent eagle]

Yeah on sync not right away like id need