Champion Stadium

[proud axle]

...Where is he

[old orchid]

Special or normal CS?

Special right?

[rigid flint]

This is special

[proud axle]

ugh, I hate sorting by rarity, the result is always a mess

[old orchid]

Can you send your grass roster here again? I think you have sent it once

[proud axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009554906568462476/1095900984942800986/Screenshot_20230413_103901_Pokmon_Masters_EX.jpg

[old orchid]

Thanks

[rigid flint]

Personally, I would recommend using Round 1 on Bertha since she hits the hardest, but doing Round 1 on anyone except Lorelei is fine

[old orchid]

At best you can make 2 ontype teams

[crystal notch]

no

assume no one but zinnia

is PB and EXd

[proud axle]

Seriously though I can't even find Gio

[old orchid]

Giovanni and Cyrus are another 2 teams, the last team can be stall team on Lorelei

[proud axle]

Gio pairs very well with Lucian, you see

[old orchid]

Now focus on building 4 teams with these dmg dealers: Silver, Sycamore, Giovanni and Cyrus

[proud axle]

But anyway, if Gio isn't... here... then SSteven is better for offtyping

[crystal notch]

oh

is it because I sorted in the move level tab

[toxic cobalt]

Giga has already suggested some good teams

[crystal notch]

that's why they shuffled all 5/5

[proud axle]

Thaaaat would explain it

Scroll to bottom?

[crystal notch]

Sorry, sorry!

[proud axle]

Thank you, let's see

[old orchid]

So is there something wrong? i havent seen Arts making much progress

[proud axle]

We're not done planning yet

[toxic cobalt]

Oooh Roxanne is levelled.

[proud axle]

there he is

Is he gridded?

If yes, maybe Gio+Lucian

If not, maybe SSteven+Lucian

[crystal notch]

...er

Not PB not ex

[proud axle]

SSteven it is, then

Maybe add someone who gives the team Def.

Hm...

[toxic cobalt]

Def and speed, Skyla?

Also SSB

[proud axle]

Not Speed

Lucian is Speed

Lucian's kind of amazing for it

I'm thinking Drake or something

Just for Def and bulk

[toxic cobalt]

Keeping in mind CBedeEX and SSACynthiaEX

[proud axle]

Bruno
Plan A: Lucian, SSteven, Drake???
Plan B: Sonia, Bertha, Olivia

Lorelei: Lucy (grid for H.Env.), Janine (Ariados), Aura Cynthia

Bertha: Cyrus, May, Leaf???

Grimsley: Silver, SSMay, Neo Bede

Neo Serena: Sycamore, Hop, Selene

[proud axle]

Let's not give Fighting Zone to the E4 dude who uses Fighting

Aura Cynthia sounds good for toxic stall though

+6 Def/SpDef on turn 1, and a few potions

That means we just need Lucy gridded for Hostile Environment, and Janine to bring the Venom Drench

Updating

Leaf's slot could be replaced with Sabrina, but Bertha uses a lot of physicals as I recall

So that's risky

Probably a better payoff, though, if it works.

[crystal notch]

hmm

any round notes

do not r4 bertha obviously

[proud axle]

I listed them in the order I'd try them

Actually the Grimsley team may not need Blaine

Re-thinking

You could grid Gardenia, or you could maybe throw Mayziken in

Since it's R4, Silver can sync on turn 3. And since Bede is present, Silver doesn't need sun for max crit

...Hell, May can max his crit

Updating

Bede TM, Silver TM, May TM
Bede B Move, Silver TM, May Dire Hit
Silver sync
Obliterate things with Blaze Kick and Solar Beam

[crystal notch]

very well

btw we can b move first turn too due to -3sync accel total

but it shouldn't matter

wait

[proud axle]

Does the R4 thing count towards that...?

[crystal notch]

with half sync

hmm

[proud axle]

If that works, then definitely do that

[crystal notch]

sync first turn would be funny

[crystal notch]

mayziken has innate -2 sync accel

and bede has -1

[proud axle]

I did not know that. Wow.

[crystal notch]

even without half sync param

[proud axle]

Silver can set sun on turn 2 and start blasting that much sooner

[crystal notch]

yeah

huh

[proud axle]

This sounds hilarious

[crystal notch]

half sync param doesn't ignore it right

[crystal notch]

I'm now looking forward to blasting grimsley r4

[proud axle]

You show up at 5 countdown and then May gives -2

So you end up at 2 countdown on turn 1 with May and Bede

That sounds like fun!

[crystal notch]

I'm glad my faves are fun to play

[proud axle]

I was hoping for an SSMay+SSTeven banner for the Hoenn rerun. It's weird that the event battle challenges are designed for them but they're not... here.

[crystal notch]

true

[proud axle]

Ah well, I've given you the teams and it's getting late.

[crystal notch]

see ya

thank you so much!

I'll report back

[proud axle]

Give them a try, and maybe others can help you troubleshoot if something goes wrong while I'm sleeping

Good luck!

[crystal notch]

yeah,thanks!

enjoy the zzz

[hollow vigil]

About to do my first ever hard mode

Wish me luck!

I'm gonna try for 6k points

[tired sleet]

You mean master mode?

[hollow vigil]

Currently just playing with buffs and debuffs to see how things go

Yeah master mode

I tried for 2500 points in my first battle and got destroyed so

[tired sleet]

As in ally stats -3 and enemy stats +3? Those are somewhat difficult params to use

[hollow vigil]

Well I'm trying different combos of different things, not just the stat ones

Enemy stats +3 hasn't been too bad

[tired sleet]

Ig when its not comboed with much strength or attack it wouldn’t be too threatening

[hollow vigil]

Yeah I'm just trying to find the easiest balance for 1200-1500 points

Per battle

And dividing up my characters

[tired sleet]

The google sheet in pins has a guide for 7500 pts params if you want

[hollow vigil]

Sycamore
CMarnie
CHop+Bea
Blue/Pidgeot for Bruno

[hollow vigil]

Ooh does it? Sweet thanks!

[tired sleet]

Its in like the 3rd page of the sheet

[hollow vigil]

Okay thank you!!!

I have a question

What do the categories mean? Minus poison stall

Like

What's on/off type post sync and pre sync

[tired sleet]

On type means you’re hitting them super effectively, off type is not

Pre sync means defeating them before they sync, post sync means defeating them after they sync

[hollow vigil]

Ah

Okay that makes sense

I prob can't do pre-sync

[crystal notch]

Plan A done for 1.75k!
Time to grid Lucy when I have the time

[crystal notch]

Usually pre sync is easier than post sync if on type

[hollow vigil]

Is it?

I always find myself getting synced

[tired sleet]

Typically pre sync clears take more attack/power up on hit params since you’ll be hit less, whereas post sync clears typically take strength

[tired sleet]

Do you quadqueue? Or can you get 2nd sync before the enemy syncs once?

[hollow vigil]

Yes for question 1 no for q2

I mean I prob can for question 2

I just have to keep it in mind

I just never quite aim to double sync before they do

But it's definitely something I can do with my teams

Okay yeah I just beat Bruno with double sync before he did it even once

1500 points in the bag

[tired sleet]

Make sure that you try to plan all your comps beforehand (that just a general tip for cs)

[hollow vigil]

That's fair advice

[tired sleet]

PoMatools has a feature that lets you see exactly what moves they have so you can decide which supports to bring for example; i always reference it before deciding

[hollow vigil]

That's good to know

Thank you!

That'll make planning easier

My only thing is I'm trying to save Sycamore and CMarnie or SS Brendan and CMarnie for Blue

Since my rock types suck

[tired sleet]

Roark isn’t too bad but ig you may not have orbs; he’s extremely reliant on the grid

[keen jasper]

Roark is pretty good now

[hollow vigil]

Roark is great I just have him half built

[toxic cobalt]

Perfectly okay to offtype

[hollow vigil]

So not the good tiles

[keen jasper]

Just don't put Standard Damage Reduction

[hollow vigil]

Yeah Roark is a work in progress

[hollow vigil]

Yeah I'm really kinda gonna have to do Blue on slightly easy mode

If I can't save my strongest units till the end

But I think I should be able to with my current supports

3k points in the bag

Agatha was super easy

Now come the difficult 2, let's see what I can plan for it

Nvm Lorelei was also pretty easy

Okay lance time

[crystal notch]

side note: had to turn denial bruno twice with knocking out sides (and if I knock out an additional side too early I reset)

with lucian ss steven and drake

and if drake or ss steven gets crit-ted I have to reset

rng gaming

[north crown]

Used phoebe maxie brendan with bullet seed grid. Worked pre sync

Plus it was on Bertha

Shit didn’t expect those low move levels. If you haven’t already, offtype.

[crystal notch]

ah, no, I cleared 7.5k

[north crown]

Dang a 2 week player doing 7,5

Sheeeeeesh

[crystal notch]

it's all thanks to yall here

couldn't have done it myself

did acerola-giocat-olivia

[north crown]

Does anyone need help?

[crystal notch]

to be fair it's entirely carried by 2.5k bea-ssa cynthia ex nuke on lorelei

[north crown]

Most champions are a joke lol. Some type specific E4s are problematic

[crystal notch]

sounds about right

except errr I heard cserena

is a pain

[north crown]

Oh she is

But I wager that Bertha is still the most challenging, especially for newer players

[crystal notch]

true

currently doing my work

so I can't attempt bertha

[north crown]

irl work?

[crystal notch]

have to poison stall lorelei first though

[crystal notch]

yeah

what's the main diff between lucy and koga?

I think I have koga partially gridded

[north crown]

Lucy’s kit leans toward utility, especially for poison stall. It’s her niche.
Koga nuke.

[keen jasper]

Serena is just you need to pray she doesn't use that move while Bertha you need to change something

[crystal notch]

should I ex leafvee?

for bertha

[north crown]

Why?

Dafaq

[crystal notch]

she's 3/5 so she already has her grid unlocked

[north crown]

But like, you haven’t even made/planned the teams yet

[toxic cobalt]

For stall the only important grid is the tank

[crystal notch]

ah, we discussed this in the morning and the above is the result of the planning/discussion

already did bruno (hence the turn denial comment)

[north crown]

Oh Jesus Christ you’re offtyping her?

I mean the option is not off the table, however I worry you won’t be able to presync

[crystal notch]

I mean, the other option is waiting for lodge sycamore (who hopefully I can speedrun, but...who knows)

[north crown]

Which means 2 sandstorms

[crystal notch]

hmmm rain dance from may

doesn't solve the issue?

[north crown]

Nah if you have no other option, I’d advise to stick with the rain team

No it does, tho idk if you have mpr for her, which means either you don’t use rain for turns 4-6, or you have to presync offtype with just cyrus boosted HP

Needs testing

[crystal notch]

true

...you want to see my grass roster?

[keen jasper]

Sure

[crystal notch]

^

yes, sorted by knows grass moves

yes, that's the entirety of my pitiful grass roster

[keen jasper]

Have you used Silver?

[crystal notch]

no, but I'm planning to

on grimsley

Bruno
Plan A: Lucian, SSteven, Drake (done)
Plan B: Sonia, Bertha, Olivia

Lorelei: Lucy (grid for H.Env.), Janine (Ariados), Aura Cynthia

Bertha: Cyrus, May, Leaf???

Grimsley: Silver, SSMay, Neo Bede

Neo Serena: Sycamore, Hop, Selene
here's the plan courtesy of Gigafreak (who's asleep so I won't ping)

[keen jasper]

Do you have any sun setters remaining?

[crystal notch]

blaine

that's it

[keen jasper]

Do you have Gordie?

[crystal notch]

full stop

no

[keen jasper]

Any unit with Max Flare?

[crystal notch]

ehhhhhhhhh do I go bot zone

[keen jasper]

Sure

[crystal notch]

gimme a sec and see if I have any of them

I don't think I have Anni Raihan for obvious reasons

nope

no bede

no gordie

[north crown]

Move level for Bertha?

Wait shit no nvm

[crystal notch]

1/5

[north crown]

Yeah doesn’t help at all

[keen jasper]

Ok then

[crystal notch]

^

^ for roster

further rosters

[keen jasper]

You can make Gardenia work, but she's only 2/5 and I don't recommend candying her

[crystal notch]

yeah and I'm running low on orbs anyways

[keen jasper]

But 3* candies are extremely abundant

[crystal notch]

gardenia is 4* tho

?

[north crown]

Would you like to try poison stalling Grimsley to save silver for bertha?

[keen jasper]

I forget, is Gardenia 3* or 4* base?

[north crown]

4

[keen jasper]

Ah yeah, they're still pretty plentiful

[crystal notch]

post-sync grimsley has dire hit though

[north crown]

You literally have a perfect tank for stalling

Vigilance exists

[crystal notch]

so I poison stall two stages?

[north crown]

You could

Also I wonder if you have Dawn or Jasmine

[keen jasper]

TheGamingEevee did 3 stall stages

[crystal notch]

errr base dawn and jasmine?

[north crown]

Yeah

[toxic cobalt]

I think best to try get through on the teams already chosen and see if they work

[north crown]

Nah I’d suggest to go woth poison on grimsley. Leaf is literally the perfect candidate to stall

[crystal notch]

yeah no dawn is grass, and she's not in knows grass move

therefore I don't have dawn

[north crown]

Jas?

Wait were u the one who had 3/5 sonia?

[crystal notch]

nope

not me!

[north crown]

Shit now I want to see the full roster

[crystal notch]

^

[north crown]

[crystal notch]

(I'd rather not repeatedly spam the channel with pictures LMAO)

[north crown]

LOL 3/5 Burgh

[crystal notch]

the other half of the roster btw

[crystal notch]

my luck runs interestinf

glances at ss grimsley 4/5

[north crown]

No offense, but your roster is almost complete dogshit

I’d suggest poison stalling at least 2 stages

[crystal notch]

...what kind of beautiful roster, pray tell, are you expecting from a 16 day player?

but yeah noted, I'll go with the rain team first and if it fails, swap silver to bertha and poison stall grimsley

[north crown]

Oh side note: If you want to save the Lucy+Janine duo as a wildcard for Grimsley poison stall, you could try Koga + Viola instead.

[crystal notch]

...what does viola do?

also, 2.5k poison stall?

[north crown]

Trap + debuff spatk, which grass weak lorelei specializes in

Yeah unless ssacynthia can’t handle it

Lemme check the move level

Uh I never used 1/5 for stall

[north crown]

U gud?

Wait u got sssteven? Sheesh

[compact yoke]

Fine team against bruno, for a non physical damage round?

[north crown]

Which CS

[compact yoke]

The grass one

[north crown]

@crystal notch Ah Gigafreak was hoping for a nonpoint run on Berrha… interesting…. You could do that for her. She’s hard.

[paper summit]

non point? you mean just run of the mill hard mode? why?

you just override her sand on entry and that's it, she isn't so much of a menace, same bulk as the others and everything

[north crown]

Doesn’t the special CS have MM unlocked?

[paper summit]

yes

hard mode is just not picking any points

exact same battle

[north crown]

You going for as many points as possible or u just want to beat serena?

[compact yoke]

2.5k

[north crown]

I’ll take that as as many as possible

[compact yoke]

Yeah haha my b

[north crown]

Can you show me your entire roster? If not, the grass + poison MOVE USERS (not with the normal type filter), and supports?

[compact yoke]

I’m sorry if this isbt what u wanted

Those are just my 5-6 star

[north crown]

Damn that’s a decent roster

[crystal notch]

does viola want any grids

or koga for that matter

[compact yoke]

Thank you

Lots of pulling

[north crown]

Oml this looks like a whale account wtf

[compact yoke]

But f2p, wish I had more

[north crown]

Not necessarily, and ik u low on orbs so

[north crown]

What the actual crap you can sweep all CSMM 12.5k bruhhh

[compact yoke]

Well I just tried off typing with Moltres and sucked

So I’m doing something wrong

[north crown]

LOL MOLTRES OML

You do realize its gimmick right?

Tho this is offtopic

[compact yoke]

See in all my years I just kinda pulled and didn’t understand how to do well against hard stages so I never tried to do them (never knew how important they were for resources) but since joining this channel I’ve learned how to strategize better

And Moltres gimmick? I think so idk

[north crown]

weather.

You need it.

[compact yoke]

Ah

[north crown]

💀💀💀💀💀💀

[compact yoke]

I had weather turned off as a parameter

LmO

[hollow vigil]

I had a lot of trouble with lance

[north crown]

What the actual fuck parameter?

[hollow vigil]

I think I need to redo the whole thing

[north crown]

Moltres is a legendary arena

[compact yoke]

Wait lol

I think I said wrong Pokémon

Cmarnie

[north crown]

The actual fuck

First of all, do you know basic teambuilding?

[north crown]

But you beat him right?

[hollow vigil]

Yeah but I'm super struggling with Blue

[full mesa]

But you'll beat him, right?

[hollow vigil]

I'm not sure

I'm gonna retry and save better units for blue

[full mesa]

Poison stall if all else fails

[hollow vigil]

I need tiles to keep poison stall alive

Like I've got Janine and koga but they're not gridded

[north crown]

And who is tanking?

[swift swan]

You don't need grids for them

Poison stall just wants you to have good healing

[hollow vigil]

See that's the million dollar question

[north crown]

Bruhhh

[hollow vigil]

I used up Aaron, SS Brendan and Sycamore

[full mesa]

Sycamore couldn't?

[crystal notch]

ok poison stalled 2.5k lorelei

[full mesa]

On a spa stage?

[hollow vigil]

So I wanna redo

[full mesa]

Redo them

We'll build other teams

[hollow vigil]

Yeah I need one of those for Blue

Sycamore seems like the best choice here

So I have to find another way to beat Lance

I guess it's time to open up my laptop and properly plan and build

Google doc time

I tried Leaf and Eevee but either I don't know how to optimally use them or they're not cut out for final stage

Alternatively, I could use as few points as possible on blue

Considering I have 6k which was my goal

[full mesa]

Since you reached your goal and you have no plans for something better, just beat him. No points at all. After that let us help you reach 7.5k

[hollow vigil]

Yeah you're right, might as well finish what I started

Thank you guys

[north crown]

Before that, remind me what type of attacks rock weak blue uses?

[full mesa]

Special Flying mostly

[north crown]

Any special tanks left?

[full mesa]

And some physical from sides

But they don't matter

[north crown]

I wonder if Misty could do it

or skyla if you want to go the potion rng route

[crystal notch]

Pomatools

[north crown]

ty I only have my phone atm

[full mesa]

Skyla doesn't

[north crown]

Oh waitaminute that is on ur phone

[full mesa]

Misty should be able to tank until their sync

[hollow vigil]

Brb I'll just sweep blue without anything

[north crown]

Well my exuse is my phone is slowly getting shit at loading

[hollow vigil]

Misty would've been amazing

[crystal notch]

Wait I just realized

Who's tanking for poison stall grimsley?!

[north crown]

Leaf

[crystal notch]

Oh

Ight

[full mesa]

Can she?

[crystal notch]

Forgot

[north crown]

Bro she’s free WDYMMM

[hollow vigil]

Tiles!!!!!

[full mesa]

She takes quite some time to build her defences.

[hollow vigil]

I love Misty she's great

[full mesa]

She is.

[north crown]

Just use all HP points no atk buffing params ez

[hollow vigil]

I've just been prioritizing other characters to build

[full mesa]

Probably she could

[north crown]

Or even better, grab viola

[full mesa]

I haven't run stall for so long...

[north crown]

Double tank + spatk debuff

[crystal notch]

...I just used viola and koga on lorelei

So janine Lucy leafvee

[hollow vigil]

I'm falling asleep tho

[full mesa]

Yes

[hollow vigil]

6.5k clear

[north crown]

Wait the ssacynthia team worked..? POGGERS

[crystal notch]

Yeps

[full mesa]

That's nice.

[hollow vigil]

Not bad for first

[toxic cobalt]

Good teams

[hollow vigil]

I'll try for 7.5 tomorrow

[north crown]

As sson as I saw 3/5 Leaf I KNEW we needed to do a leaf stall

[crystal notch]

What does she want in her 3/5 grid

[north crown]

Recup + potion tiles

[crystal notch]

I partially gridded her already

[north crown]

Ez stall

[full mesa]

Potion mpr, recuperation

[crystal notch]

So it won't take too much of a toll

Sure

[north crown]

Recup is a game changer especially for stalls

[full mesa]

Tackle mgr if she has it

[toxic cobalt]

If you have leftover orbs you can also get flinch or mgr but just taking potion and recup should mean a victory and you can save orbs for elsewhere

[north crown]

Nah I doubt she needs fuckin tackle mgr for poison stall

[crystal notch]

Anyways, R4 Bertha with mayziken silver cbede? Their combined sync accel should lead to silver syncing turn 2

[full mesa]

As a precaution

[crystal notch]

Getting rid of sandstorm

[full mesa]

Yes

That sounds good but keep in mind Berta hits hard. Also R4 goes with post sync parameters

[north crown]

Sand boosted moves for 3 turns. I’d suggest weather on command

[full mesa]

Not pre sync

Don't make the same mistake as me

[crystal notch]

Silver sets sun on sync

[north crown]

But as I said, 3 boosted sand moves. I doubt even cbede can tank those

[crystal notch]

With R4 I'll have 3cd sync

[full mesa]

If they're lucky, they'll evade 2 moves.

[north crown]

You could try tho

Bruhh

K

[hollow vigil]

Thanks for all the help and support everyone 💜💜

[north crown]

Oh wait use sselesa

[hollow vigil]

I'll get 12k tomorrow just watch

[north crown]

Sselesa silver cbede

Turn 1 sync LMAO

[crystal notch]

Turn 1 sync is ss elesa tm cbede tm silver sync?

Kind of cursed

[north crown]

But it works

[crystal notch]

Wait ss elesa is -1?

Also wouldn't the enemy just queue

[north crown]

-2

[crystal notch]

I mean, can do that with mayziken too, use fired up

[north crown]

Also I just realized that cbede already drops 1 cd

[crystal notch]

Yeah

[north crown]

Oml I’m a dumbass

I see the synergy

I don’t have mayziken so

[crystal notch]

Cbede Mayziken Silver R4 could destroy Bertha hard

But I'm worried

Since her sync is also halved

[toxic cobalt]

Absolutely busted strat lol don't be worried

[north crown]

just take post sync ez

[crystal notch]

2.5k time?

[north crown]

Also be worried as mayziken is only 1/5

[toxic cobalt]

Always 2.5k time

[crystal notch]

Grimsley will either be 2k or 2.5k depending on leafvee tanking

[north crown]

idk if silver’s sb can kill pre sync

[north crown]

Max points trust. If you get all her defensive nodes it’s free

[crystal notch]

sync with silver always? or silver then mayziken?

[north crown]

Tho I never tried 2.5k stall since I never needed to. Should be easy since it’s basically the same cuz of newly released parameters

[crystal notch]

also is half sync param free param

for r4

[toxic cobalt]

Silver always gets free sun

[north crown]

Silver always since bertha’s sync sets sand

[crystal notch]

ah

[toxic cobalt]

Dunno how much 1/5 Mayziken sync does anyway

[north crown]

She’s better spamming bk anyways

[crystal notch]

CBede TM Mayziken Dire Hit All Silver TM
Silver Sync CBede B Move Mayziken blaze kick Quadqueue Silver solar beam

something like this?

[north crown]

Wait I thought mayziken’s cd was on tm

[crystal notch]

asking so I can adjust

[crystal notch]

-2 innate cd

LMAO

[north crown]

Jesus christ

Perhaps you can drop cbede for a better synergizing support, though I doubt you have anything left

[crystal notch]

so 9 cd -> R4 5 cd -> sync 2 cd

[crystal notch]

I was saving selene sycamore sc steven for cerena (restrain multipliers)

but I can put sc steven instead

damage per screenshot go brrr

[north crown]

Honestly you could try it, tho I doubt the team’s practical performance

Waitaminute is skyla free?

[crystal notch]

she is

[north crown]

oml if you can grid her tm mpr

You don’t even need candy

[crystal notch]

we can do Mayziken TM Silver TM Skyla TM
Silver sync Mayziken BK Skyla TM Quadqueue Silver solar beam

[north crown]

Then mayziken can actually spam bk every turn

[crystal notch]

should I not take move gauge -2

[toxic cobalt]

Always take move gauge -2

[north crown]

Waitaminute the attack buffs

Marley?

[crystal notch]

back to cbede then

[north crown]

If we are going for burst damage marley may actually work

The reason why I’m prioritizing speed buffs is cuz of silver’s grid multi

Ramming speed

Marley’s grid is niche, but her niche is so good

Might be perfect for this

Max speed, minimal atk+spatk buffs, team sharp entry (might not be useful rn), and burn as the cherry on top for silver’s other grid multi, burn synergy

The only problem is her bulk

So CBede might still be the better option

Goddammit

Wrote an entire paragraph for nothing

[crystal notch]

oh well, for future consideration

[north crown]

Well here’s some more info about Marley for future consideration

Her other niche is a status condition shield. While it seems useless at first, her grid makes makes up for it by grant gradual healing to the entire team. Perfect for burst damage teams.

Gradual healing serves as healing + mini gauge boosters, sinve the healing takes time, and time = gauge

[crystal notch]

noted

what do yall think of sycamore-selene-sc steven

could they nuke?

or uh, do 2k or sth

[north crown]

Only +2 crit

And selene doesn’t nuke well

Even with max potential

[crystal notch]

there's SPUN and type rebuff from sc steven

plus aoe -6 def across three turns

[north crown]

I thought you were going for a post sync clear since you had both op free legendaries on the same team

[toxic cobalt]

Could try a slower Sycamore-focused battle?

[crystal notch]

true, I can swap sc steven to hop

[north crown]

The og team was syca hop selene

[crystal notch]

yeah

[toxic cobalt]

Oh use that team. That'll win

[crystal notch]

oh well, lemme poison stall grimsley R3 first and report back

speedrunning lodge sycamore might be unnecessary after alll

[north crown]

No he’s dogshit

[crystal notch]

but still good to bolster my terrible grass roster right

[north crown]

I mean I didn’t use him in the grass CS

I’m logging off

[crystal notch]

see ya

[full mesa]

Bertha only sets the sandstorm at the start of the battle. She also has terrain/zone/weather extension. She doesn't reset the sandstorm on sync.

[north crown]

Oh mb

[north crown]

Now I’m gone

[verbal karma]

ugh...no...I can't get this to work, no matter what 😦

Serena is taken down just fine, but I can't take down the sides before they destroy me

but if I focus more on the sides, then Serena will destroy me

it's a lose-lose situation at this point

[crystal notch]

oh bad news @north crown

Lucy gets HE

at 3/5

she's at 2/5 rn

[keen jasper]

Weaken one of the sides before you kill Serena

[crystal notch]

should I candy her?

4* tech candy

I have three

[verbal karma]

I tried and, and it still wasn't enough

and any more weakening of the sides, and I wouldn't have been able to beat Serena in time

[keen jasper]

Even with your damage dealer's sync?

[verbal karma]

yes

even with maxed out Buddy Thunderbolt

[keen jasper]

Oh you're still off-typing with Ash

[verbal karma]

yup...sigh...I'd much rather go back to using an on-type team if I'm being brutally honest...is there really no way to make a viable team with Selene?

[keen jasper]

Let me see your supports again

[keen jasper]

Well, you have SSA Cynthia reserved, so she can probably serve as your tank

[verbal karma]

oh, SC Jasmine can tank fine

it's Ash who can't

[keen jasper]

SSA Cynthia fully maxes out your team's defensive buffs at the 1st turn

[verbal karma]

plus, SSA Cynthia prevents quad queuing

[keen jasper]

And Ash fully maxes out his own buffs too

[verbal karma]

and I kinda need quad queuing

like, urgently

[keen jasper]

Also SSA Cynthia grants 2 stacks of SpMUN for Ash using her B Move which is practically an 80% damage increase for his B Thunderbolt

SSA Cynthia, Ash and Volkner should be your team

[verbal karma]

but...what about my quadqueue then?

[keen jasper]

Not if you kill fast enough, also if you're worried about quadqueueing, put Adrenaline on SSA Cynthia

[verbal karma]

but SSA Cynthia already needs Vigilance

[toxic cobalt]

No, you still have a 50% chance

[crystal notch]

noted

[keen jasper]

Do you not have faith that Ash will KO Serena with his B Thunderbolt?

Also, I recommend that after using SSA Cynthia's B Move, use Ash's B Move next with of course having a lot of gauges

[toxic cobalt]

I just posted some stall team examples which I hope will provide confidence for this strat #1011675077764456519 message

[verbal karma]

not while he's 1/5, nope

[crystal notch]

thanks!

[wide adder]

Managed to finally do it after some time thinking of another way. Couldn’t presync but got enough -atk to survive Sync and good enough rng to not be hit beforehand

[swift swan]

How about you try it first instead of getting decision paralysis and doubting Ash of all units

[wide adder]

I don’t even get close with this…

For champion

box ^

Used five stars and above

[verbal karma]

...no idea what I did different this time, but I somehow barely won now

[keen jasper]

If it works then it works

[crystal notch]

welp can't stall grimsley with poison

eevee gets critted repeatedly

burnt through all my cookies again

no vigil

lemme wait a few days for BV

[keen jasper]

Blissful Bonanza?

[crystal notch]

yeah also that

[crystal notch]

unless I should start burning through my 1* and 2* cookies

[crystal notch]

anyways

found out the hard way

that if enemy faints on same turn

as your trainers

it's a loss

cries in grimsley

[wide adder]

Actually I’m pretty sure I heard it’s last damage source initiator that wins ties

[crystal notch]

I mean I use poison

so

[wide adder]

I.e last pair dying kills enemy with last word? Last word user wins

[crystal notch]

[wide adder]

Ahhh yeah status aren’t included

Rip

[crystal notch]

side note but I got sc zinnia

might or might not be useful for grass cs

[wide adder]

Rn I’m planning to try just trapping Serena at -6 speed but idk if it’s even a viable idea haha

[crystal notch]

good luck

[wide adder]

Was thinking like pserena for doing that specifically

[crystal notch]

for me, it's all sycamore-selene-hop sandwiching and tweaking params to not get killed

[wide adder]

My main other option is just attempting like, horn leech dps + another dps to go with sycamore for a sync.

Which just sounds plain weird to try to do but it’d allow me take the standard down

Saves 3 strength

[crystal notch]

sadge

side note but zoroark rerun when, I want N

[wide adder]

Yeah it should happen in early July bc summer unit

Along with the other summers ofc and prob new ones

[crystal notch]

time to save even more

[wide adder]

Yep…being an alola and n fan can hurt mentally this year hahaha…

Since I missed his initial zoroark run

[proud axle]

May as well. Otherwise they'll just sit there forever

[marsh crater]

Help the 4th round effect. Sync move reduced by half

Cant complete even 2k

[keen jasper]

Against who?

[toxic cobalt]

Lorelei mixed, Bruno physical, Serena special, Bertha physical, Grimsley phyiscal?

[trail smelt]

Yeah including half sync was a jerk move

[proud axle]

Sometimes I can still presync win against half-sync stages, with an EX Support and two Strikers. Four double-strength attacks can sometimes take the boss down before sync.

That's not what I did this time (presync via Ash nuke) but it worked in the past

[marsh crater]

Lorelei.

I tried to offtype with fighting. Not working so far

I should do the 4th round offtype with my frog duo. Wrong judgement

[proud axle]

Don't suppose you have Ash? If not, this can get tricky

Might need a postsync plan

[storm quest]

Just have to say, I have never once been able to pre sync one of these battles.

I did just brute force my way through Bruno with CMarnie, barely

[compact yoke]

What’s the trick to beating Bruno

Homie got a ton of health

In grass mode

[proud axle]

Atk Down and Def Up help a lot

It's just the Johto version of the fight, same stats and everything

...Also his HP is exactly standard for a CS boss

After his sync, he uses Dire Hit. This can allow him to get around Atk Down and Def Up.
But tbh it's very possible to kill the shit out of him before that becomes an actual problem

We also can't tell you what you might be able to do better, if we don't know who you're using or what round it is or who is left on your roster

[storm quest]

I might need some advice for finishing this Kanto mm. I've got just Lance left and I'm not sure how to push enough damage through before his Dragonite smashes me. I have Diantha/Gardevoir, but only at 1/5, was using Dawn/Torterra but even they don't survive long enough.

[toxic cobalt]

Are you using the presync parameters in the pins?

[proud axle]

Who is the third member?

[storm quest]

I've tried Lucian and Roxanne

[storm quest]

I can try, but I don't feel capable of doing it presync? I'll try it though I guess

[north crown]

Perhaps you should try using a sleeper so you can get in more moves per turn

Roxanne Diantha sleeper

[toxic cobalt]

Only way to avoid being giga impacted into dust sadly

[proud axle]

Good Fairy attackers are hard to find...

Are Sycamore and SSBlue still available? This'd normally probably be overkill, but this sounds like it's an overkill kind of situation

[storm quest]

I had to use Sycamore on Agatha and don't have SSBlue

[proud axle]

Damn

I think I would favor Lucian and Dawn as Diantha's sidekicks. Hm...

[north crown]

Bruh

[proud axle]

Can you post what specific parameters you are using?

[storm quest]

I was using the on-type post-sync

Going to give the presync a try, but I'm not optimistic lol

[noble plaza]

Who should I fight for round 2?

[proud axle]

...the more I think of this, the worse and worse it sounds.
If you sleep-denial this enemy team, the right sidekick will use X Eva All.

[storm quest]

Yeah I barely get the dragonite to 50% before they sync. I still don't undertsand how it's possible lol

Especially having to spend so many turns just buffing up

[proud axle]

That is Diantha's biggest flaw, yeah

How about this...
Do you happen to have Piers/Obstagoon?

[storm quest]

I do not

[proud axle]

Falkner/Swellow?

[noble plaza]

Is it worth using Xerneas on Lance or should I save him for later

[storm quest]

Nope

[noble plaza]

I figured lmao

[storm quest]

Sorry, that was to Giga's question

[noble plaza]

Oh my bad

[proud axle]

I really would want to recommend Sycamore alongside Diantha for this. So let's put "do a 0pt clear and then reset and re-plan" on the table

Lance is guaranteed to use Giga Impact on the turn after his sync; I figured Piers could block it or Falkner could fly-dodge it

[storm quest]

Sycamore does tend to be my win button

[proud axle]

And both help Diantha buff up faster

[storm quest]

But I was lacking good SpDef tanks for Agatha

[proud axle]

I... Don't really think she requires one

[storm quest]

Well, might be another issue with pre vs post sync then, because she was blowing me up well before I could win lol;

[proud axle]

You could also tank her with Erika/Vileplume, I think

Or Viola/Masquerain

Then give Giovanni his buffs from Roxanne and you win

Viola can raise her own SpDef and ruin the enemy's SpAtk

Surprisingly good Anti-Special tank

Don't overlook the Techs in your roster for the role of tanking

Also she's the only Kalos trainer who remembered to do the French accent

[storm quest]

I've used Viola in that capacity before, they were just hitting so hard I didn't think about it this time. Plus, I was bringing a different ghost type for syncing, since Mewtwo's off-type sync was doing all of nothing

[proud axle]

Oh, who was your Ghost then?

[storm quest]

I wann say Fantina

[proud axle]

Maybe they'll have different needs

[storm quest]

I can check

[proud axle]

Please do

The one other trainer who does a French accent but she lives in Sinnoh

[storm quest]

It was Fantina

[proud axle]

Alright. Move level? And is she gridded?

[storm quest]

Only 1/5

[proud axle]

Oof

[storm quest]

I just got her recently

[proud axle]

I wonder if 3/5 Shauntal, with crit support, can actually outdo 1/5 Fantina. Her sync will still suck, but her Shadow Ball might hit harder with Gritty 5

Think, think, thonk...

[swift swan]

Well, worth a try. Giovanni's shadow ball DPS will immensely help anyway

Just make sure he's gridded for brainteaser

And shadow ball OaR

[proud axle]

I do like dual-striker builds, but that does mean needing to pick a new support

Torchic could work here. Shauntal raises her own speed, as does Torchic. That may be enough gauge support.

Need an MPR on Torchic's TM tho

Also a full grid on Shauntal

Were you going for full 2.5k or "just" 2k

[dark osprey]

Shauntal fully gridded should do tbh. Her DPS is really good

[proud axle]

Not everyone gets a hecking +50% modifier skill in the grid

[dark osprey]

Yeah lol

Without the power reserves meme

[proud axle]

The next question is... does Shuttershy have Shauntal at 3+/5, and do they have the orbs to grid her

[mellow linden]

Unless they’re super new they should have 3/5 Shauntal easily

And iirc they mentioned doing 2k in the past

So uh

[storm quest]

I have her at 4/5, yea

And I've been stockpiling orbs lol

[proud axle]

Maybe let's think about building around her, then. What supports do you have

[storm quest]

How many would it take? I haven't got any on her at all

[proud axle]

Full grid (Gritty 5, Lessen Burn 9 if you don't want to cookie for it, Brain Sync 5, maybe Ramming Speed)

7500

[proud axle]

Cheryl is a special wall, so she can tank

Next we need crit and maybe speed if Cheryl's ungridded

[storm quest]

And there's no salvaging the current run? 😮‍💨

[proud axle]

I rarely get good results from Diantha

Ooh, Neo Bede is here

5/5 Sabrina, too...

3/5 Leaf and 3/5 Kiawe. You have some amazing options here

[storm quest]

Kiawe feels soft, and idk what to do with Leaf tbh. She might be a good candidate for EX with her sync, but her kit feels weird to me

[proud axle]

Leaf and Kiawe are both very flexible

And, well, both have Potion

Leaf is a lot like Sycamore but with breadth instead of depth

She also brings a 1bar move (doesn't eat much gauge) and it can be gridded to flinch

Acc buffs are uncommon as well

Kiawe is a little like Sonia. Steady speed buffs, offense+crit buff, potion, accel field, defense debuffer

[crystal notch]

8k with CSerena left. Now what? Sycamore Hop Selene...but what extra round param?

[storm quest]

I like Kiawe's kit a lot, but he feels more like a tech/secondary support

[proud axle]

Round 1, probably. The rest are variously unhelpful or disadvantageous

[crystal notch]

Ok

2k pre sync on type param?

Sounds very unlikely to be pre sync lmao

[proud axle]

His bulk isn't that low though?

[proud axle]

Yes, double striker should be able to wipe her out fast enough

Never forget that Horn Leech hits hard

[crystal notch]

Noted

Sync with sycamore?

Or selene?

[proud axle]

We are not bringing Hop for Selene. She already gives herself the buffs she needs. We brought him to buff Sycamore's Horn Leech

Sync once with Sycamore and then subsequently with Selene

[crystal notch]

R4 Bertha was a mess btw
If I mis guessed who was queueing after Bertha dies I die

[proud axle]

Make sure to use one Spirit Shackle before Leaf Blading the boss

[crystal notch]

Noted

[crystal notch]

If Bertha's earthquake rolled high I die

If she uses high horsepower turn one I die

[proud axle]

That is the Sinnoh League Experience, yeah

Sinnoh is fucking hard

[crystal notch]

Half sync param makes this very unpredictable for some reason

Had anyone made a chart?

For turns

[proud axle]

Sycamore tanks, btw. Hop's SpDef is low and Sycamore is healing with Horn Leech

[crystal notch]

Noted

[proud axle]

(Can also have Hop throw potions to supplement)

[crystal notch]

Is there a point to 2.5k

For Cerena

[proud axle]

More loot

[crystal notch]

Is it doable?

[proud axle]

For a 16day player, I don't know

She is very dangerous

Are Syca and Hop gridded, btw

Sycamore will want Horn Leech Master Healer and maybe Impervious
Hop will want TM MPR and maybe Potion upgrades

Selene is probably fine gridless for now

[crystal notch]

They are

Maybe sycamore is missing impervious though

[storm quest]

Would a different, off-type striker work better than diantha?

[summer flare]

I don't think I've ever had to dig this deep for a csmm run

5 grass is hell

[proud axle]

Possibly... Who are your strongest attackers regardless of types?

[storm quest]

Err, probably... SSRed, maybe Cyrus or Zinnia. CMarnie, but I used her on Bruno. Lemme see

Less CMarnie, Gio/Mewtwo, and Fantina, who've all been used

A few lv1 pairs at the bottom I haven't leveled yet but that's most of the strikers anyway

[crystal notch]

selene got critted to death!

...no she just died from sync

water shuriken'd to death

sycamore gets water shuriken'd to death, always

[proud axle]

There's something I'm curious about:
Whether multihit moves stack the Power Up On Hit multiplier for each hit

[swift swan]

Water shuriken wrecks pretty much any tank

[proud axle]

Serena always gets 5 hits with it

[swift swan]

Either you deny it (flinch, sleep, freeze) or pray she doesn't use it often

[crystal notch]

so, what I'm hearing is: "acerola time"?

[proud axle]

125 BP is devastating in a CSMM boss's hands even without Power Up On Hit

[crystal notch]

or uh, whitney time

with r3 buff

[proud axle]

R3? ...Special amp?

Are you trying to make Serena stronger?

[crystal notch]

wait no

the status condition amp

whichever round was that one

[crystal notch]

wrong number
I'm not that dumb

[storm quest]

I may be dumb, but at least I'm not stupid

[crystal notch]

...sigh, that isn't interference increase though

paralysis rng time

[proud axle]

IIRC that one doesn't actually increase infliction rates; "more likely to take effect" refers to Paralyze and Confusion being more likely to cause moves to fail

[crystal notch]

and her team loves to inflict confusion

agh

ok what funny nukes can I do against her? bring sc zinnia and give cerena's team five stats up +3?

[proud axle]

The turn order I'd try is
Hop TM, Selene TM, Dazzling Gleam
Hop TM, Spirit Shackle, Dazzling Gleam or Sycamore TM
Hop TM (must get an MPR), Leaf Blade, Dazzling Gleam or Moonblast
Sycamore sync
Metal Claw or Potion, Leaf Blade, Horn Leech (spam)

[crystal notch]

selene so far hasn't managed to survive cerena sync (crit or no crit)

currently on 2k params

on type...pre sync...

[proud axle]

Cerena shouldn't be living that long...

[crystal notch]

lemme grid hop tm a sec

[storm quest]

Ugh everything folds like paper to Lance

[crystal notch]

@proud axle selene just doesn't survive sync for whatever reason

sycamore wouldn't have lived regardless if it was water shuriken or not; he was on so low hp

hmmm

we can go hyper offensive

with SC Steven which I haven't used

but then the team is essentially defenseless until xern syncs

and then post cerena death who knows what would happen

[proud axle]

210 damage on a 25BP hit actually makes me suspect it might scale up the Power Up On Hit multiplier with each hit

Turn that off and see what happens?

[crystal notch]

sure

[summer flare]

so, for the special stadium 12.5k, I wonder if I went overkill on some teams, because the tail end was a bit trickier to figure out

my main goal was to use grass pairs as carries through all 5 stages, so no shenanigans such as silver/maxie solar beam

1 Lorelei - sycamore/brendam/ss kris
2 Bruno - ss lyra/Lgloria/ ss blue
3 Grimsley - erika/selene/Cbede
4 Bertha - lyra/ss erika/dawn

CSerena - Lsycamore/alt iris/ss brendam

[crystal notch]

One water shuriken

[crystal notch]

one water shuriken: survived!

Two water shurikens - still dead

hyper offensive didn't work, though maybe I should take out gradual healing instead

...although what happens after cerena dies, is...questionable

[storm quest]

Can sycamore team beef up trigger on each hit?

[latent eagle]

How’s this for CS MM? What order should I do the rounds?

[junior crown]

Arts maybe you could try poison stall

Sycamore Lucy and Janine for example

if Sycamore have vigilance and grid may be enough

[crystal notch]

....I've stalled with two poison teams already

[junior crown]

For me 5 poison stall team are the best way to 12.5k for new players

[crystal notch]

And did you know cerena's water shuriken runs through any tank?

[junior crown]

I did stall on her

[crystal notch]

Hmm

I already used Lucy janine koga viola

[junior crown]

actually I did the 5 full f2p stall team

[crystal notch]

...there's looker I guess

[junior crown]

bp erika?

[crystal notch]

Errr, I do have three tickets I suppose

[junior crown]

bp janine?

[crystal notch]

I can get her...

If that's wise

[junior crown]

tech arbok, tech golbat?

[junior crown]

you want one badly poison unit, can be either of those: Emma, SS Leaf, Lucy, Koga, BP Erika, BP Janine, Tech Golbat or Tech Arbok

[crystal notch]

...time to get either BP Erika or BP Janine
But uh, I don't have normal Janine anymore

[junior crown]

You can even try Tech Golbat + Tech Nidoran Female + Sycamore

[crystal notch]

Hmmm I suppose so

[junior crown]

I'm a fan of poison stalls, but don't know if it's good to spend directly on BP Erika/Janine if you don't have the others

[lunar meadow]

Eritangela is a fantastic stall unit.

Janinebat isn't as important for stall. But if you are trying to do a full 5x toxic stall clear, she does have "badly poison".

Eritangela, Kogabat, Emmabat, janinebat, Seviper, eggbat, Venusaur (at 4/5) and I think one of the Eggkans are all the "badly poison" options

[junior crown]

Venusaur you mean SS leaf? she has it at 1/5

Emma, SS Leaf, Lucy, Koga, BP Erika, BP Janine, Tech Golbat or Tech Arbok

[crystal notch]

Is it lodge sycamore

With bulbasaur

Wait can that one evolve

[junior crown]

For my F2P teams I used: Skyla Mina Lucy (Bruno R1) / Misty Viola Tech Arbok (Lorelei R2) / BP Morty Ghetsis Koga (Bertha R3) / Sycamore Tech Nidoqueen BP Erika (Grimsley R4) / SwinMisty Janine BP Janine (Serena R5)

[formal vigil]

it can not evolve

[latent eagle]

any input on this?

[brave halo]

So who's the most dangerous in cs next week?

[junior crown]

I would use Giovanni instead of Fantina

[junior crown]

I'd change that Ghost team to Gio Hop SpaAtk Buffer and do in this order: Lance -> Lorelei -> Agatha -> Bruno

[crystal notch]

if I were to go with eritangela

should I go with tech golbat

[junior crown]

No

Do you have Ghetsis (is he grided?)

[crystal notch]

yes I have ghetsis

and yes he is gridded

[junior crown]

Good

Sycamore Ghetsis and BP Erika then

[crystal notch]

...for LA...yeah, I'll need a new grid suggestion

is it still double drop noble roar

[junior crown]

yes

you wand double drop

[crystal notch]

noted

[junior crown]

This is what I use for my stall Ghetsis

[crystal notch]

...no EX btw

no PB

[junior crown]

no problem

[crystal notch]

16 days...

ah

alright

[junior crown]

he won't do any damage

[civic trellis]

I dont think the grid used the PB, maybe just the stat nodes

[junior crown]

You'll only sync with Sycamore

don't forget to get recuperation for him

[wide adder]

Box and used units are up here. I need ideas for CSerena fight.

[junior crown]

Tried poison stall Rhythm?

Yes, I'll tell everyone to try poison stall, I rediscovered it after the 12.5k update and the parameters are great for it (and even the parameters of the stage helps)

[devout sluice]

Is there any unit you can use to debuff Serena?

Anni N perfect to debuff both attack and special stats.

[junior crown]

A lot are good

Ghetsis, for poison stall Janine/Tech Nidoqueen

are more F2P as well

[storm quest]

Ngl I find poison stall to be reliable and easier than trying to fight through a lot of this haha

[junior crown]

yesss

and it's easier to make 5 teams than 17 teams

And only the supp needs vigilance and grid

[storm quest]

Now I'm wondering if I can poison stall this Lance fight lmao

[devout sluice]

Type CS gonna be very common for me to toxic stall.

Regular 12.5k CS, not so much.

[junior crown]

what pairs you have left?

[storm quest]

I honestly haven't even looked at the grass cs yet. Idk how my roster will hold up, but we'll see I guess

I've posted a few ss, but as far as poison goes I've used my SSLeaf and Janeane on Lorelei

[junior crown]

Do you have BP Morty? Does he have Vigilance and is 3/5 grided?

[junior crown]

That's the fun part of poison stall, doesn't matter the type, it always works

[storm quest]

I haven't grabbed any of the BP pairs yet, on account of not having spent the time figuring out which ones I should grab lol. I do have a few tickets

[junior crown]

so save it

You can try Ghetsis Lucy and a tanker

[terse pulsar]

How to offtype grass weak champion? Im out of grass type dps but have a big variety of pairs been playing ~2 years

[junior crown]

he is physical attack, so you can try Skyla (if 3/5 vigilance) or Hop

So Ghetsis + Lucy + Skyla or Hop

Habe you tried Poison Stall PrincessTamer?

[storm quest]

I love that this sounds like a cult

[junior crown]

The cult of Poison Stall!!!

let's go

[terse pulsar]

I haven't, but I don't have green and venusaur, is there another sync pair with toxic i could use?

[junior crown]

Any of those have badly poison: Emma, SS Leaf, Lucy, Koga, BP Erika, BP Janine, Tech Golbat or Tech Arbok

[terse pulsar]

Okay yes great, any suggestions for teammates to go alongside them? And parameters?

[junior crown]

Parameters is pinned

For teammates you want the other 2 to have Debuff (physical/special/both), buff (physical/special/both) and heal

speed is not mandatory but good to have

combinations for F2P physical for example: Skyla + Mina

For both Janine + BP Morty for example

can be any combination

This is what I used for 5 F2P poison stalls 12.5k: Skyla Mina Lucy (Bruno R1) / Misty Viola Tech Arbok (Lorelei R2) / BP Morty Ghetsis Koga (Bertha R3) / Sycamore Tech Nidoqueen BP Erika (Grimsley R4) / SwinMisty Janine BP Janine (Serena R5)

[terse pulsar]

Thank you so much for your help I'm gonna give some of these a shot

[junior crown]

tell me how it went latter 🙂

Oh and trap are a good adition too

that's why Viola is good for the special stages and Lucy/BP Erika are the best for having both in one pair

[wide adder]

Huh.

Gladions got more to him than I thought…

Nuked a side since Serena was already low

Sycamore only died because water shuriken cause I didn’t realize she had endure

Just decided to try it since could take on type damage and physical to lower strength requirements. If this team had failed would of taken stall. Even got away with half mp cause I only needed two hop tm casts

[storm quest]

This almost worked lol. Had confusion triggered at all I would've had it lol

[rigid flint]

Gladion supremacy!

[rigid flint]

Just curious, who was tanking in this?

If Diantha had maxed out her SpAtk I think she should’ve been able to finish it off in the previous move

[storm quest]

It's the 4th round, so by this point I've lost 2 SpAtk to the round effect since the other two on my team were KOd

It was Dawn/Torterra

And I managed it actually! A lucky MPR on Sabrina's heal let Dawn stick it out an extra round when Lance was spamming double-edge

After eating two enemy syncs lol

It turns out, Reflect was the answer I needed, and the extra healing from Sabrina too

[silent quail]

[north crown]

who needs help?

[tired sleet]

Strange, no one wants help in any of the channels

[crystal notch]

Water Shuriken surprisingly doesn't hurt on poison stall params

Did it scale on power on hit 1?

[north crown]

probably

I would assume that water shuriken's damage would scale due to multi hit

[crystal notch]

...that's so cursed lmao

I 10.5k-ed the grass cs

no more

the move candy coin is tempting

but ugh

just...no

[storm quest]

I've gotta struggle through Kanto champion, then I can struggle in the Oops! All-Grass CS

[tired sleet]

I’ll ask in #916852044692856834; i doubt it

[storm quest]

btw, some good advice is to make sure you choose the correct physical/special damage reduction for your team's damage

[north crown]

I thought that was common sense...

[storm quest]

One would think.... 🙃

[crystal notch]

....that's not common knowledge? why

[toxic cobalt]

Just stall and you can reduce all damage

[crystal notch]

I mean I suppose habits do die hard

almost set physical dmh reduc 8