Champion Stadium

[wide adder]

that was the grid i was using from when i used her in gauntlet

[proud axle]

Sometimes I wonder if Sync+25 BP nodes are a little overrated

On genpool strikers, at least

[tired sleet]

If they’re exed, i prefer soften up on strikes

[proud axle]

10 energy can buy +50BP for the sync, but that's also what a whole +100% multiplier usually costs. On a non-Mega, 5/5 striker, +50BP is +1/6th damage

Yeah, Soften Up is also really nice

[tired sleet]

Sync Tiles are only if there’s nothing else good imo

[trail smelt]

I mean

[proud axle]

Yeah, it's just... are we supposed to be happy to see extra sync tiles to begin with?

[trail smelt]

They might not have other multipliers

[tired sleet]

Soften Up is really far away from the rest if Bea’s stuff so I don’t blame them for not taking it, but in most cases i’d prefer it

[proud axle]

Every pair has at least two +SyncBP tiles, and Bea has six. ...Which means four tiles that could've been something else

Techs have lower sync BP; mega evo pairs have lower sync BP; for these, extra Sync BP tiles make much more sense

On a Striker... oof

[tired sleet]

Techs have higher sync BP when you consider the ex (360 vs 300)

Especially considering the sync tiles are also boosted by the innate and any multipliers

[proud axle]

Depends on how you want to count it. Striker EX, when it is relevant, is up to 900 across three targets. Or 600 if we treat it as if it were a normal AoE move with normal damage dispersion

I went to PoMaTools to check if the Tech EX effect also multiplies BP from tiles, and the first one I could think of was Neo Serena, and--

[tired sleet]

That’s an interesting way of looking at it, but I don’t consider the right side to be important enough to quantify them as a part of the damage

[tired sleet]

Yeah, since she has 2 sync moves

Maybunny has 4 tiles; 2 for Normal Impact and 2 for Fighting Impact, but they fused them for Cerena

[proud axle]

(PoMaTools does not apply the 1.5x Tech EX multiplier to BP gained from grid nodes, so there's that)

(I'm inclined to believe their calculations)

[tired sleet]

Yes, but it does affect their multipliers

[proud axle]

I think I would. It means being able to score a left-hand KO denial and land a massive hit on the boss at the same time, with the first sync.

It's what you get out of using a Striker EX instead of a Support EX.

[tired sleet]

The left side is pretty useful to denial, but the right side isn’t

Unless you have a turn 2 sync

[proud axle]

Yeah, I'm ignoring the right

Hitting left and boss at the same time is still a big deal

[tired sleet]

Still, that’s an effective 600 bp over 680 BP

I think that this hypothetical convo is kinda useless tho

[hearty lynx]

got 12.5k !

[tired sleet]

You should perhaps consider making a thread of your one in #1010274591601598555 to record all of your clears

[hearty lynx]

ah yeah sure

[devout sluice]

If I can’t 12.5k next reset, I’ll do 10k.

[brave halo]

Welp, was trying to work toward something for steel weak cs un two weeks and this kinda......unsettling x.x (the rest outside steel was a random team originally

[tired sleet]

Not too bad tbh, considering how chop debuffs def and spdef for solgaleo’s brainteaser

Sonia is just completely redundant here aside from being a tank

[magic crown]

EWW fighting week Lorelei is back tomorrow

[brave halo]

Yeah like I said I haven't touched anything outside solgaleo

Hop and sonia was some random galar team, I don't remember, I know it isn't the daily region team

[devout sluice]

But I’ll try to off type fairy as Serena and Diantha won’t be helping me on 12.5k

[brave halo]

Does this work for solgaleo then?

[tired sleet]

I’d use a more gauge efficient speed buffer

[brave halo]

I mainly had her for stat boosts and obviously mini potion

Being a master pair doesn't hurt either

That and to be fair, it would be helpful when I probably use other pairs for other parts of the week after next

[magic crown]

I would use the frogs against Lorelei but I'mma try iris out off type and I'm really excited try out odge Lillie now that she is 6 star

[brave halo]

The only part I'm unsure is if I should keep the fighting or assuming I get them maxed in time but maybe not some Ground gear

I already know I don't have steel gear

[proud axle]

Sonia has excellent gauge support, and Def buffs to boot. This looks alright

[zinc island]

I still don't know what she says here does she say "Let justice destroy everything"?

[proud axle]

"Let's just destroy everything!"

That's what it sounds like to me

[zinc island]

Also the magma admin has a weird sync quote i really used to hear her saying "time to fluff" but now i hear "target locked"

[devout sluice]

The one I’m worried about is fairy because fairies not the best for me. Maybe I’ll have to toxic stall ghost.

[zinc island]

Oh yeah that makes sense

[proud axle]

Is Giovanni not strong enough?

[brave halo]

I was actually told the complete opposite about sonia

[devout sluice]

I don’t know. Im either planning on bringing fantina or morty.

[zinc island]

They lied to you

[proud axle]

I was actually told the complete opposite about sonia
She allows Solgaleo to skip a turn of buffs, she gives Speed to the team when she's hit, and she can produce a Gauge Accel Field whenever she uses Potion

[tired sleet]

I didnt say sonia was bad, just slightly overkill

Speed + Attack isn’t the most common combo in hindsight, so yeah she would be fine

[proud axle]

Speed+Attack is weirdly uncommon among Supports, yeah

[brave halo]

I heard redundant as in doesn't do anything at all

[proud axle]

If you end up needing Sonia elsewhere, Skyla can fill a very similar role for this team

[brave halo]

I haven't used Sonia in a single of the cs setup teams yet

[tired sleet]

I meant redundant as in Hop already buffs team wide crit and solgaleo buffs attack already, but she can be good if you want it to be faster

Its just that sonia is a very high value support, so you’d rather avoid using her if not needed

But if you don’t plan on using her elsewhere there’s no problem

[brave halo]

And to be fair, the other two types left for two weeks from now

[proud axle]

From what I saw SpeedTy's roster is stacked af, so... it'll be fine

[brave halo]

Electric and Ghost

Yeah Red and Lillie are just fist bumping

[proud axle]

The big problem they had was... a kind of performance anxiety and being fed questionable advice on another Discord

But they have a zillion overpowered sync pairs and Kanto is easy anyway, so I don't expect problems

[brave halo]

They're like Videl's intro in Fighterz

[proud axle]

I tested that Grass team I recommended you, partly to see just how much it can overpower the stage and partly to practice using a video-editing app I downloaded

[brave halo]

I would show all the pairs I have, but idk where to properly post it

[proud axle]

Would you like to see the video?

[brave halo]

And obviously I'd have to make it a video to not spam chat

[proud axle]

There's an applet where you can fill in which pairs you have, plus their move levels and EX/not-EX status

I don't remember where it is though

[tired sleet]

+tracker

[frozen depot]

https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/

For newcomers/beginners, check the video below on how to properly showcase your pairs : https://i.imgur.com/A0XcAgZ.mp4

[brave halo]

[proud axle]

Ah, that must be it

Thank you

[brave halo]

Oh thanks

[proud axle]

You fill that in, and it generates one big simple image with your whole roster

Wonder if the full-roster view can be sorted?

Hot dog, it can!

[old orchid]

[devout sluice]

Oh I never knew there was a command.

[proud axle]

I like sorting by type, you see.
Level and rarity are changeable. Type is not.

Ooh, exportable. Maybe I'll input my own roster to pass the time...

[brave halo]

I'm working on it now, it'll be a while, where should I naturally post it tho?

[devout sluice]

Can’t wait for two days of CS, even if it’s gonna be 12.5k.

That is if Grass CS has MM that is.

[tired sleet]

It does

Absol has already posted the rewards for Grass CSMM point thresholds

[proud axle]

People post the whole image right here, sometimes. At least it's all in one picture.

[devout sluice]

Well this is gonna be fun.

[velvet dock]

Is there a link somewhere

[devout sluice]

Let me check his twitter

[velvet dock]

I personally enjoy CS

Hopefully Dena does this more often

[proud axle]

There's still gonna be a Status Amp round and Lorelei is still very toxic-stallable

[devout sluice]

CS is fun, sure, but for people that’s after 12.5k, could stress them out.

[velvet dock]

Lemme know if you find it

I can always check later

[devout sluice]

I believe I found it, don’t know if I’m allowed to post the reward link here or not, don’t wanna get in trouble.

[paper summit]

huh? why? it's not a spoiler

[devout sluice]

Oh.

[paper summit]

if it comes from datamines it's fine

staff only takes issue if something is an actual leak, not the same

[devout sluice]

Oh ok. I’m sometimes cautious, that’s why If i question myself if it’s allowed to be posted.

[paper summit]

nah, post away

[devout sluice]

Here ya go. https://pastebin.com/3DSwba8W

[velvet dock]

Tyvm

Whoa

Those are some nice rewards

[devout sluice]

Oh wow you’re right.

[keen silo]

Love the 12.5k already

Makes CS more enjoyable for end game players imo

[proud axle]

A gold candy coin and five certificates of excellence

That's some good stuff.

[keen silo]

Wish this was permanent ngl

[brave halo]

OK finally got every pair I currently have as a single image, both pulls and eggs tho kept away from non shiny as i dont invest into them, where should I post them

[devout sluice]

Wait, imagine they do those special CS monthly.

That be great

[brave halo]

OK idk why but it didn't show the move levels wtf

Oh that's what I did wrong, OK let me delete and fix

[trail smelt]

Wait only 5 certificates?

That’s gonna bug me haha

[brave halo]

5 certificates for what?

[mellow linden]

Level 150 materials

You can get up to 5 via Master Mode for the Grass weak event Stadium

[brave halo]

I know what that is but didn't realize they meant the point reward stuff above

[mellow linden]

Ah

My bad then

[brave halo]

That's my fault anyway

Tho lol how'd I hack to get ssmortt to be 150 then?

Lol I still typod and said mortt, now makes me think one of the morts in ratchet and clank as a sync pair

@proud axle don't know if you saw yet but my list is done, also sorry for ping

[proud axle]

That's useful. Next time someone wants to see your roster, you can get that image for them

[brave halo]

Tho I hope it can be saved later for the chance I pull Lusamine later

[proud axle]

You can produce a text-file version of the list with this

Then you can save that text file somewhere, and copy it back in to make adjustments when you get someone new

[brave halo]

Oh didn't see that thanks

And also the electrode in eggs is meant to be shiny too but couldn't find the option for it specifically

[civic trellis]

I think u just choose the role that shiny electrode has (iirc every shiny except magikarp has a certain role and they r always 3 passives)

[brave halo]

Yeah I know about that

Every shiny is one of the specific roles only and can't be any others

Tho I still wish the one "only 1 per evolution line" didn't exist, or at least didn't exist per role

[proud axle]

The applet doesn't seem to have Shiny Electrode supported

All three roles are nonshiny here

[brave halo]

That explains it

[silent quail]

adding this

[proud axle]

Thanks!

[viral moat]

5 grass tomorrow. You guys excited⁉️⁉️⁉️

[bright furnace]

5 grass in a couple days actually

[viral moat]

Rate my teams tho

[zealous karma]

They looks fun but idk what Mesprit is doing with Gloria and leaf and sycamore both kinda fight for sync iirc

[viral moat]

Mespirit is just there to take some hits and get a screen or 2 up while I setup thwackey

And sycamore Is gonna sync cause he's the dps lol

Leaf is only there for Sundering and some poison damage or to stall if need be

[brave halo]

But he's a support, he supports by beating up the opponent

[viral moat]

He supports by making sure the enemies are too dead to fight

[proud axle]

That's kinda funny. Blue and Leaf are giving Sycamore the Grass themeskill for Hornleech

[viral moat]

It's boring using conventional units

[proud axle]

I just like it when you manage to get the type themeskill bonus onto someone who isn't that type, but attacks with that type

SSErika and Lyra, giving the Grass theme to Silver, is another way it can be done

And Silver's stats are on the low side, so he can really use it

...And then I notice your two teams labeled If All Else Fails. Use Fire OP Master Pairs

[viral moat]

Always good to have an osogof team or 2

[dark osprey]

lol. some of those teams are going to murder

like the SS Erika team

was thinking maybe SC Steven can go with the Sycamore team for some funny stuff instead of SS leaf

however, even with base kit SS Leaf can do some damage though i guess.

and the sync is also useful

[viral moat]

+6 might, rebuff and sun. No such thing as over kill

[proud axle]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/017/747/4772795__e188297988ce060ed77289f0d306731a.jpg

[swift swan]

at 1/5 frenzy plant should still be good

she just wants all the offensive babysitting in the world lol

[dark osprey]

haha yeah. overkill is always fun. i guess sycamore & blue do help as much as possible for SS Leaf

[viral moat]

Striker sycamore > ss leaf

[dark osprey]

interesting. maybe slightly better damage

[grand trout]

Can we now save parameters?

[dark osprey]

not yet i guess

next month supposedly

[grand trout]

I hope next month isn't too hard

[dark osprey]

u mean special CS?

we're not even sure if it will be a monthly thing

[devout sluice]

If it does then that’s a good thing because basically means more rewards.

[grand trout]

I mean the normal one

By hard meaning sinnoh hoenn or kalos

[dark osprey]

Oh my bad lel. Yeah maybe just Johto or something at the most

[keen jasper]

Round 1: Use powerful moves quickly and constantly against all opponents
Round 2: Make use of special damage reduction to battle opponents with high Sp. Atk.
Round 3: Make use of moves with additional effects
Round 4: Try not to let any of your sync pairs faint
Champion: Make use of physical damage reduction to battle opponents

[devout sluice]

There we go.

[trail smelt]

5 Grass weak is on Wednesday right?

[old orchid]

next reset

[trail smelt]

Are you sure? Datamine summary indicates it’s in 2 resets

Anyway didn’t have much trouble this week either other than me staring at my parameters like last week haha

Ready for next week

[old orchid]

the datamine summary says next reset for me

you should check again

[trail smelt]

It says in a day. Doesn’t that mean 1 day + x hours?

[old orchid]

no

[trail smelt]

Huh. That is really confusing. Well whenever it drops I’m ready lol

Also SCteven definitely made Gladion fun haha

Oh and don’t do what I did and tick no zone for Lorelei LMAO

I still won because even some less my fighting team still kicks ass

[undone ether]

what did you guys use for against Hostile Environment sheningans?

[trail smelt]

Which one?

[undone ether]

agatha

[trail smelt]

Oh double ghost Lillie + SSRynthia. Killed her before status effect became a problem

[dark osprey]

would love to see Lodge steven this CS

he's got a decent kit but not much dps i guess so its kinda interesting how to use him

at least he's more or less self reliant

[undone ether]

SP.DEF buffing Blue xD

actually

is Blue 5/5 stronger than 3/5 Lysandre?

cuz that machamp doing sheningans will be a pain

[swift swan]

I never thought the X Evasion All on Bruno's stage would ever be a hindrance to me but hot DAMN

[sand karma]

I'm worried about loreleis crit shield

[dark osprey]

oh yeah lorelei crit shield is an issue

[trail smelt]

Pay no attention to the woman that carried lodge Steven lol

[dark osprey]

oh nice. lel

tbh i also tried him. a guaranteed nuke is all i was looking for

and it worked first sync ohkoed the centre

[trail smelt]

Huh when does Lorelei cast Crit shield?

[dark osprey]

sync -1

[trail smelt]

Thanks. Hit her too hard before she can cast it haha

[dark osprey]

yeah. with zone and all she seems quite easy

[fiery canopy]

new week yeeee

[swift swan]

I forgot fighting-weak lorelei was annoying af

evasion strats? in my CS?

[old orchid]

me using Solgaleo : what is evasion?

[devout sluice]

I never realized Lorelei has evasion up when it gets hit so I had to bring grimsley for that

[dark osprey]

yeah. honestly evasion still remains so elusive

[swift swan]

I like to pick up max sync countdown -2 on fighting stages because Bea can just nuke first sync, but this time lorelei survived with a sliver of HP and if Bea couldn't land her meteor assault, lorelei would've set up crit shield

thankfully she did land her meteor assault, phew

[devout sluice]

I think she was ready to set up crit shield on my run also.

[dark osprey]

luckily i had Fall Caitlin

its weird how little supports buff accuracy along with some other stats

she buffs accuracy and attack & speed. seems perfect for Bea

[dark osprey]

can even tank with Lodge Steven. is kinda a very useful nuke

[summer flare]

Vs flying this week was really annoying

[dark osprey]

what's with the flying weak stuff

[old orchid]

Impervious and strong moves spam i guess

[dark osprey]

oh ok

lol. i by mistake bought leaf not realizing she was fighting weak. guess rng was on my side though

so CS has definitely become slightly more difficult with the 12.5K points i guess

[worn tusk]

how do i beat him, its 2.5k mm round 4

[keen jasper]

Goddamn, I had to use Maylene for Lorelei in my F2P and I wasted BP Clemont on Lance back in R1

Also, I used the half HP parameter against Lorelei too in my F2P clear

[dark osprey]

don't think SS Brendan can lower his special defense due to impervious but still is a good support i guess. Sycamore better not be on the same team as SS Serena since SS Serena wants the first sync

can just get a speed or gauge buffer instead i guess

[worn tusk]

ill replace SS Brandon with hop and sycamore with Ss blue

[dark osprey]

i think going denials will help get in the second sync before the crit shield somehow

[dark osprey]

i mean SS Brendan may be ok. just get maybe skyla or Marley or someone to buff speed then

even Roxanne i guess

[devout crown]

does bruno have some sort of stat drop defense? i didnt set it as a param but cserena and latias werent able to lower his stats

[old orchid]

he has Impervious so he is immune to stat drops

[dark osprey]

i think Kahili nuke will work on Bruno right?

[old orchid]

ofc

[dark osprey]

so maybe Blue, Kahili and a support for Blue should be decent enough i guess

[umbral plaza]

bruno is savage brute

[dark osprey]

its sad that Darach and lodge Serena would be not very useful against this Bruno

[fringe trail]

but Nate would be

or Kahili

maybe even LeonZard

[dark osprey]

oh yeah. leon zard nice

[manic kiln]

Use bravebird build for darach

[sand karma]

But aren't his multipliers based off debuffs?

[dark osprey]

lol. isn't that bad since no power posture. no damage meaning no recoil

[formal vigil]

Don't you still need attack debuffs for power posture

[manic kiln]

Nuke the side and just dps the mid, you won’t presync with no multiplier anyway

But brave bird still does decent dmg

Lodge serena tho, without nuke her dps is laughable

[formal vigil]

It is peck after all

[dark osprey]

i thought it was nuke the mid and then dps whatever is left

thing is that Blue and PB Zinnia both need the first sync

guess Kahili's super effective up nuke will still get through on second sync

[hearty lynx]

wait 5 grass for special CS?

how am i gonna do that oof

[hidden ore]

Would 3/5 NY Lance do something against this Bruno?
Kinda considering finishing candying to 3/5 from 2/5

[old orchid]

3/5 doesnt gain much

2/5 is fine

[old orchid]

offtyping is always an option

[hearty lynx]

yeah need to look at what units would be best for what round

[undone ether]

ugh wally is so bad

haaah

[grim bison]

Does anybody in the CS Tomorrow have sentry/wise entry x2

[old orchid]

no

but the Champion fight debuff spatk a lot

[grim bison]

Both Sycamores who have impervious:

[dark osprey]

or just physical attackers

[onyx ice]

Special cs isn't available yet?

[old orchid]

in next reset

[frosty axle]

F2P 12.5k run for week 2 Kanto https://youtu.be/UWcpY3eP7Wc
#1092391152021418105 message

[sand karma]

Lies and slander

[spring fable]

quite popular opinion: they should let us save and quick load params

[old orchid]

that feature is coming in late April

[spring fable]

oh nice

my app restarted while i was starting a 2nd fight after my 1st. it didnt save and i gotta pick it again

[loud stratus]

When is the new CS event live?

[tribal agate]

next reset #1012256199128915968 message

[brave halo]

[crystal notch]

I still have mayziken and ss steven as alternatives
And for rock I might need to slot in the 3* nosepass user (or raise up olivia)

Thoughts? I want feedback

I need to fill in fighting, fairy, grass, and rock btw

For first round maybe Agatha or Lorelei

[old orchid]

replace Solgaleo with Giovanni, and replace Skyla with Misty

in Zinnia team, replace Sycamore with Winona

replace Bertha with a speed buffer

[crystal notch]

Great, so where do I slot in the fairy and ground types then?

[crystal notch]

Errr which misty?

[old orchid]

hmm, maybe Hapu instead of Skyla in Giovanni's team? Rosa' spdef is naturally high

OG Misty

the one with Starmie

[crystal notch]

Oh also side note no Rosa ex

[old orchid]

doesnt matter

[crystal notch]

Hmm, so anything I can do with mayziken and ss steven? Or I'll just nuke poor Blue out of the water then

[spring fable]

R3 Agatha help please

I also accidentally did 2k only for my R2 Lorelei

[old orchid]

Save them as backup options or for Blue

[crystal notch]

noted

[old orchid]

Is there sth wrong with that team?

[clever breach]

Is lisa and altaria a good option for the fary cs 2.5k

[old orchid]

Not really

Use Mina instead

[clever breach]

Ok

[crystal notch]

agh I meant ghost instead of fighting! would phoebe - ss steven - mayziken make any sense for blue

[old orchid]

Yes

[clever breach]

Summer marnie at 1/5?

[old orchid]

Good

[spring fable]

😦

[clever breach]

Thx

[old orchid]

What params are you using Kirby?

[spring fable]

2.5k ontype post sync

[old orchid]

Hmm, Brendan should tank Agatha fine

Can you record your gameplay so that others can point out sth wrong?

[crystal notch]

is ss steven tanking?

oh right, I still have sc steven in the wings too

[brave halo]

OK trying to think of what to use for Rock in MM but not sure if I should swap something, I know I'm gonna use Olivia with Bertha but unsure about Kukui

I'm kinda thinking either Nita or Skyla, and if anything I have Defense Crush 2 on Olivia cause I haven't updated her skill recently but my luck for crit strike is still bad

[spring fable]

https://youtu.be/AOVuTVDBqyw

Panicked abit but it didn’t matter much

[proud axle]

That team is okay, though Kukui would be limited to Accelerock Staggering and Leer

Liv is the only one with actual Speed, so the team's gauge can't take much more burden than him

[frosty axle]

yes once its out it will be helpful without having to check my old videos parameters

[brave halo]

Still what about the other options I mentioned?

[manic kiln]

you didn't max her crit

[proud axle]

I'd try Nita so Liv can skip a few buff turns

Also speed

[brave halo]

Yeah I had it set on Nita for now anyway

[formal vigil]

Use fantina tm to max crit

[brave halo]

Plus even stuff like sand shelter

I'm now working towards the fighting one, not sure if diantha or bea, neither ex but 20/20 and all that

Not much but sorta working with what I got, had the thought of if I'm using Morty with sun, get more boosts from lyra and such

I do have hop for fighting zone too if that changes anything

[frosty axle]

max crit and what does Girafarig do cause Latios already lowers sp.def?

[old orchid]

As others pointed out, Fantina doesnt have max crit.

You can grid TM Super Preparation 9 on her TM for SEUN

[tame gust]

Love how I’ve really got nothing to cover this week for On-Type. I think Ghost and Flying are my strongest of this week’s set, but RIP Fighting, Fairy and Rock lmao

Need to throw a dragon, electric, fairy and fighting type in to the mix to unlock MM too. Thankfully my support game’s strong on that

I’m probably going to OT nuke Lorelei with Carnie just out of spite

[proud axle]

That team looks fine, Kanto is not hard

[proud axle]

Solgaleo works great for Fighting. Korinna shouldn't be underestimated either

Bruno is really good after his grid release

As for Rock, Roark has higher turn-to-turn DPS than even Olivia

Don't rule out the freebies.

Flying is chronically a problem in this game. You OT-nuke that one.

[brave halo]

Idk if maybe I just had the wrong parameters but omg that was actually very difficult

[proud axle]

...Now I wanna try 2.5k with freebies just to show off

But I'm busy today

Ah, this is the one with the Critical Shield right before Sync

So you can either knock out the boss before that, or bring a Defog

I'm not actually sure it is possible to do a 2.5k run where you eliminate Lorelei before the Crit Shield using only freebies. Might work if we expand it to the general pool

[tame gust]

Ah true. I keep forgetting the fact that “STAB” isn’t a concept in this game. So look around for the right moves rather than the right base types. For flying I do have OG Blue at 4/5.. I’m debating where I want to go on Ghost type. If all else fails just use Shadow Ball PB’d Mewtwo?

[proud axle]

I think Fighting-weak Lorelei has a reputation for being the only actual threat in Kanto, exactly because of that crit shield

[brave halo]

I've already beat her once now but why the actual f is she avoiding attacks

[mellow linden]

Look Alive 9

[proud axle]

Mewtwo works great for Ghost

[mellow linden]

Boosts her evasion every time she gets hit

[brave halo]

Petition to havethat removed

[mellow linden]

For whatever reason Fighting weak stages love to screw with your accuracy

[proud axle]

Too bad that Keldeo doesn't have that other sword move... The one that ignores buffs such as evasion

Solgaleo works well vs Lorelei because you can stack 6 evasion and be at 100% hitrate for a good while

[tame gust]

I do have Roark gridded. So Unga bunga HeadSmash?

[proud axle]

You can also aim normal attacks at the sidekicks and sync nuke Lorelei herself (syncs don't miss and they also don't trigger most reaction passives)

[proud axle]

Yeah, headbang your way to victory. Bring a Potion user if you want a safety net

Head Smash hits crazy hard

It always has. We just... couldn't actually use it for most of the game's life, because he didn't have Standfast

Consider swapping Ally Healing -5 for something else if you're gonna be counting on potions

[tame gust]

Good advice. Gonna look through my units and see what I can make with what I’ve got gridded

[brave halo]

OK I feel like I'm not ready for MM as I have now

[grand trout]

I used ss wally and diantha for fairy and i wondered why i was doing shit

Then i realized i had sp damage down params lmao

[dusty yarrow]

Meanwhile here's me on Fairy Weak...

[grand trout]

Why not use mina

[dusty yarrow]

cuz I forgot she exist

[grand trout]

Kek

[dusty yarrow]

and I was doing Kanto-Alola only too so its weird

[manic kiln]

lodge lillie is great

[grand trout]

You'd have better chances with mina provided you can make them -6 atk

[dusty yarrow]

that I forgot Mina despite being Alolan

[sand karma]

12.5k has made me question my reliance on Blue for flying damage

He struggled so much today

[grand trout]

Isn't he reliant on sync

Like he only does shit after sync which makes him compete for support ex buffs

[dusty yarrow]

I gave him 2 EX Supports...

[sand karma]

I used to do everything ez with Skyla and Falkner/Lillie

[manic kiln]

blue dmg is mostly from hurricane but also not that great

[grand trout]

How's kahili

[sand karma]

It's impossible to presync with him even with max offensive params

[grand trout]

I used nylance until i realized i had physical damage -8 on lmao

[dusty yarrow]

If your style is Pre-Sync Clear, probably Blue doesn't fit it your style (You had to sync to unlock his far better move which is Hurricane)

[grand trout]

Had to dps with hyper beam

[dusty yarrow]

The team I've run with Blue is a bit more Post-Sync Clear

[grand trout]

I swear these physical and special nullifiers have fucked me a fair bit lol

Maybe next week I'll do a physical/special only

[dusty yarrow]

I already planned to do atleast one all-off-type run, either 3rd or 4th week... maybe 4th week cuz lighter sched

[grand trout]

What params are you using for offtype

[dark osprey]

Blue goes well with SS Elesa

And the third can be an enabler

Or even defense buffer

Or Kahlil if you're comfortable tanking with SS Elesa

[dusty yarrow]

I still probably going to follow the modified Treestorm's 2k CS Para as a default, and normally I add Standard Damage Reduction 8 (300) + Can't Change Terrain (150) + Inference Immunity (50) to make it 2.5k for the currents runs I've done (but tend to highly edit depending on team)... I guess for the off-type I can replace the 300 pts with either some strengths, Strike/Tech Sync Pair, or those Physical/Special Damage Reduction (Its really dependent on the team)

I haven't deeply look at my arsenal who are my best bet for an all-off-type run

• I have list Bianca/SS Steven/Fill, SSR Cynthia/Anni-Lillie/Fill & Falkner/SS Ethan/SS Kris teams as potentials picks, but I'll see what my tried-from-Uni brain can come up with
• Also, I don't want to run Stall even if that is technically count as an off-type

[proud axle]

Just aim for a lower score, then. That is normal for people just starting.
It will get easier when you have more Supports EXed.

[brave halo]

3450 was the highest I could get before I reset, cause I'm giving up for now

[proud axle]

Sounds like the problem is something in your playstyle

Here's (part of) that recording of last week's Lorelei fight I mentioned earlier

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1017607618644164651/1094775098478690314/LyraBrendanSSErikaVsLorelei_1.mp4

CSMM is not that strong, especially Kanto. This is a 2.5k clear.

With genpool only

Support EX changes the game.

[brave halo]

I'm right now gonna work towards getting some supports 20/20 at least

[proud axle]

I stopped triple-queuing and they still all died before landing another hit on me

[brave halo]

Starting with ssmorty

[proud axle]

Weather Supports are excellent choices for EX, yeah

[brave halo]

Not really caring for weather tbh

just Believe!

That tm alone tbh

[proud axle]

Believe doesn't impress me tbh

[brave halo]

The only issue is it'll be long while getting more 5 star tickets, cause I'm trying to save my gems mainly for lusamine

[proud axle]

If I had SSMorty, I'm pretty sure I'd still favor Lyra when possible

I'm not 100% convinced Morty could enable the same play I just showed.

[dusty yarrow]

I mean, the Minor annoyance I have with SS Morty is you had to set Sun to get Crit Buffs on his TM but he still is a cool Support to EX

[proud axle]

He's a Weather support, and that is hugely valuable

[brave halo]

I just trust the amount of stuff he gives by the tm

And healing too

[proud axle]

Weather is usually on Techs. The freebie or low-rarity weather sources are Techs with little to no turn-to-turn DPS

[dusty yarrow]

Him and SS Kris are game changers to me

[proud axle]

Putting Weather on a support is a massive benefit via role compression

[proud axle]

Sun teams rarely need gauge support though. Most of them have Speeding Sun, and the low-rarity Sun source (Blaine) is in the top 5 for highest Speed in the game IIRC (plus can grid for Quick Tempo on top)

Without that, Believe is just defenses and crit

[brave halo]

Even tho, boosting stats and such still helps

I've just felt more trust out of him over others tbh

[proud axle]

Believe does not gove enough Speed for Inertia purposes and it doesn't give Atk/Spatk

You could replace Believe with Dire Hit All (and not Plus) and I would barely notice

And, well... Lyra has that

[mellow linden]

"More" is not the same as "better in every case"

[proud axle]

Morty's value over Lyra is having the actual Sunny Day move so he doesn't need to hog every sync

Lyra's TMs are way better for setting up offense

Lyra might even heal herself better than Morty in Ally Healing -5 conditions (Hit&Heal and Healing Sun are not affected whereas Potion is)

...I also point out that SSMorty did not address the problem you had against Lorelei this week

Lyra wouldn't either, but... Yeah

[brave halo]

Almost no character would have, due to boosting evasion

[mellow linden]

Quite a few Supports can buff accuracy

BP Clemont, regular Lillie, Lodge Elesa, off the top of my head for free/general pool Supports

BP Clemont in particular would be helpful due to having good bulk, Defense/Sp. Def. buffs, and Defense debuffs as well

[tribal agate]

#bot-zone message < the list

i forgot Leaf could

interesting

[brave halo]

Apparently lodge cynthia can raise accuracy

[mellow linden]

Trainer Move

[tribal agate]

yes check the link i posted

[brave halo]

But only by 1

[mellow linden]

1 per use

[lunar meadow]

Togepi for limited supports that can buff acc.

Eevee for gen pool, on sync.

Medicham doesn't buff accuracy, but gives sure hit. And Bronzong makes the enemy unable to dodge a hit.

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[tribal agate]

achtually Medicham has a tile for buffing acc
it's useless
or is it?

[old orchid]

There are quite a lot of options

Yeah Medicham is the most accessible option

She can applies Sure Hit effect as well

[mellow linden]

"Useless" is an exaggeration since Sure Hit only lasts for 1 move

[full mesa]

Bruno was the worst. For some reason I can't make Blue hit big numbers...

[brave halo]

The only other idea I have is using ash and red again, but I would've naturally used them for lance

[lunar meadow]

I used to run Pidgeot with Rotom

[manic kiln]

blue and big numbers in the same sentence

[tribal agate]

i was talking about the +1 on TM but coupled with Sure Hit yes it's good you usually don't need more then +2 acc if anything

[full mesa]

Need to build rotom. Why tho?

[mellow linden]

Why? Roark exists Ignore that

Wait

Nevermind

[full mesa]

Enough to not have issues on pre sync.

[mellow linden]

I thought you said "Blue", not "Lance"

[lunar meadow]

Rotom buffs what Pidgeot needs, and accelerates sync for mega evolution.

Pidgeot does no damage. Mega Pidgeot does ok damage. You want to mega evolve quickly

[manic kiln]

he's not strong enough to presync anyway, you need the mega, and you also need ex support sync

[brave halo]

Yeah facing blue would've had the one sand team I showed much much earlier

[mellow linden]

Can always split Ash and SST Red across multiple teams and use Volkner with Ash, though, assuming Master Mode

[full mesa]

Mega evolve on first or second sync with him?

[full mesa]

Ok. So I need to change my strategy

[lunar meadow]

@full mesa

Rotom buffs accuracy, crit, and sync timer with one use of "breathtaking" pre-sync, and will max the crit when used post-sync

[full mesa]

But I need mpr for it.

[dusty yarrow]

If you're luckily grind enough cookies in LG, you can give Head Start 1 on EleSSa + tm for some -3 Sync Countdown shenanigans

I gave my EleSSa that

[proud axle]

You can also debuff Lorelei's evasion instead. Lisia can get rid of two stacks per Defog if she's 2/5, meaning a head start of four hits before Lorelei's evasion is back to zero. You can probably take out Lorelei in 5 hits plus sync

You can also pair this with Solgaleo, who can buff Acc to +6, at which point Focus Blast still has a 100% hitrate until Lorelei reaches +3 or so evasion

There's also Maylene's grid.

[mellow linden]

I feel like an accuracy buffer will have more contribution outside of accuracy buffs, while Lisia only contributes Defog

[proud axle]

Precision Pals and Pep Rally

[proud axle]

She also gets rid of crit shield. And she can do it twice: once with the entry critshield condition for bonus points, and once for Lorelei's presync shield.
She also can tank. This fight is almost all Special.

[swift swan]

blue and big numbers don't work well in the same sentence but in my experience he presyncs 2k just fiiine

Haven't tried 2.5k though

the problem is his dire need to sync

[keen jasper]

Can someone put this in pinned?
#1009554906568462476 message

[mellow linden]

Eh, fair enough on crit shield removal if you're playing in a way that means it'll go up

[proud axle]

I wonder if I can beat 2.5k Lorelei with Maylene, Bruno (nuke grid), and Solgaleo. Would they have the gauge...?

[swift swan]

dena please give him the karen treatment

[swift swan]

...proooobably not

[proud axle]

Pep Rally's great but is it enough

[manic kiln]

you still need like extreme supports

[swift swan]

would you like me to edit my current pinned post instead?

[swift swan]

eh, not really. I tried with something like falkner and may (may for rain so hurricane doesn't miss), it was pretty comfy as long as falkner doesn't get oneshot

[lunar meadow]

Rotom EX
Pidgeot EX
Magneton

This trio was an easy 2500 clear against Bruno. I did not get a breathtaking MPR, and still swept it

[swift swan]

though like I said, haven't tried 2.5k with him

[dusty yarrow]

I mean... here's my weird Bruno (I'm doing a weird Kanto-Alola only stuff)

[swift swan]

updated

[keen jasper]

Sorry, go ahead

[manic kiln]

just tested blue with anni skyla and sskris presync, stacking some SMUN should be ok he's still meh tho, grid update when

[swift swan]

He's still meh I agree

But he's... Usable

Albeit annoying

I'm proud he could clear flying-weak Lucian at least

[mellow linden]

At that point just use Winona instead

Frees up Sync slot

[dusty yarrow]

I have no complains with SS Blue since Im a post-sync clearer

[violet timber]

this team was fun (totally didn’t miss like 20 times)

[keen jasper]

Maylene: Cries

[manic kiln]

I actually use Maylene a lot

for some budget clear

[violet timber]

12500 suddenly made me use a lot more mono type teams

[mellow linden]

Why? Your Supports' damage doesn't matter

[violet timber]

no clue

[manic kiln]

for aesthetic, and theme skill

[violet timber]

Or maybe this week is just conveniently monotype for me

[dusty yarrow]

DeNA probably if Blue gets Grid Buff: We'll give him a +20 SpA and Spe Free, +50 HP Node (Wally reference), some TM Buff and no Sync Multipliers

[swift swan]

one thing I didn't like about the new parameters, I realized, is I can't switch between moonblast and horn leech with sycamore for fairy weak because I have to take off physical damage reduction 8 and standard dmg reduction 8

[dusty yarrow]

did I just type SS Blue

[manic kiln]

yeah it is a bit annoying

[swift swan]

please no please no please no

give him the karen treatment!!!

brain sync!!

or something

[violet timber]

I know bringing Darach to Bruno was a mistake cus I didn’t know he had impervious but rest of them yeah

[formal vigil]

you mean brainpower

[mellow linden]

The Monkey's Paw curls Flinch Hitter 5

[violet timber]

round 1 was fairy fairy electric

[formal vigil]

also sync power flux

[manic kiln]

darach is a waste here with ethan in the team

[violet timber]

ye I realised after I went it lol

[dusty yarrow]

isn't flying weak Bruno have Impervious?

[manic kiln]

should've used falkner

[dusty yarrow]

or Im remembering differently

[violet timber]

I thought I could reduce attack so he wouldn’t hit harder, surprise surprise he has impervious

But tbh I could have done it without a third lol Ethan just wrecks literally every single flying weak

[dusty yarrow]

I mean its still fine I guess as long as you still get 12.5k but yeah, probably a little bit optimization on teambuilding... (Sinnoh, Hoenn and Kalos will force you to pay taxes)

[dark osprey]

With korrina instead of solgaleo, it should be fine

[swift swan]

I'll take either one

locked-on sync on blue would be funny too

[dusty yarrow]

and this is from a player who has a dog-shit team for the upcoming grass CS Event

[proud axle]

Running the numbers in PoMaTools, it's looking actually kinda plausible

Bruno's sync nuke takes off most of Lorelei's HP, the sidekicks are weak enough for an easy denial, and then two more hits will finish Lorelei

Maylene gives surehit, so the one time Bruno might not have a 100% chance to hit (the final Cross Chop to eliminate Lorelei), he's guaranteed to hit anyway

There's even enough room in Bruno's grid for Sync Freebie, so gauge may not be an issue

This is with Strength 8, I think

102 Defense, 7k HP on sidekicks, 23k HP on Lorelei

The RNG factors are that Bruno needs Super Prep 4 to trigger on at least one of his two TM uses, Solga (probably) needs one crit with 80% critrate, and Bruno's sync needs to crit with 80% critrate

These aren't so bad

[dark osprey]

I mean solgaleo mainly because of the gauge is the concern

Also a free 100 points gone because of solgaleo

With special damage reduction

[proud axle]

Sure, but I actually have points to spare

[keen jasper]

F2P clears done

Roark stronk tho

[dusty yarrow]

MC & Solgaleo Grid buff may solve that issue I guess... (If they'll give him one, remember Zinia)

[dark osprey]

Sure yeah. Is quite reliable

[proud axle]

No status, no interference, no zone, and I'm giving up on stat-reduction (the fight ends before Solga can actually stack enough SpDef down anyway)

If I get this to work, I might record it. This looks actually really doable

Now that I have video-editing software to make the filesizes sane.

[dark osprey]

before the crit shield it's nice

[dusty yarrow]

Rare sighting of the MC-Lake Guardian (I forgor the name💀)

[proud axle]

Yeah, if I did the math correctly, I win like 2 or 3 turns before enemy sync

[keen jasper]

Mesprit

[proud axle]

So I can even put Sync Countdown -1 in and still be safe

The team's gauge consumption doesn't become worrisome until post sync (Bruno and Maylene use only TMs until first sync, so it's just Solga eating 3 gauges per turn, with teamwide +1 Speed from Maylene). Bruno's Sync Freebie might just... Solve that

I like where this is going

[frosty axle]

Lodge Lillie EX does hit hard when I tried her in my F2P run

[spring fable]

just saw the help, is agatha protect against non crits?

[lunar meadow]

LilliFey having an EX with a good nuke AND team healing on nuke is nice

[keen jasper]

Imagine her with SS Wally

[lunar meadow]

Ew

[proud axle]

...Aaand I could just do the fight on Round 1 for more gauge

[lunar meadow]

Wallygarde is good enough with Gardevoir and G-Rapidash

If you need to mega evolve on Wallygarde, you probably have him at 3/5 or higher to be the nuke.

You wouldn't run him without an ally who mega evolved being the nuke, like LilliFey.

[proud axle]

Crits bypass Def and SpDef buffs. Her sidekicks use X Def and X SpDef All.

Tbh though if you're not critting already, you're probably losing anyway

[spring fable]

is she the tricky one of the 5?

[proud axle]

Especially in Master Mode, where we always take Phys Shield and Sp Shield handicaps. Crits bypass those too.

[proud axle]

Lorelei is, this time

Every time you hit Lorelei, she gains evasion

[spring fable]

ah lorelei was easiest for me somehow

[proud axle]

So you can do a few things to counteract this:
Gain acc
Reduce eva
Aim for the sidekicks with normal moves and hit Lorelei with syncs

[spring fable]

would lodge elesa, fantina and ss brendan be a good team?

[proud axle]

Syncs don't miss and they don't set off the eva counter

[formal vigil]

also theres no evasion effect

like on thorton and sc steven

[proud axle]

Vs Agatha? What did Lodge Elesa do here, again?

[proud axle]

Oh, right, Telekinesis is an option too!

[dark osprey]

Honestly a nuke gridded Fantina should not have any issues with Agatha

[proud axle]

Just make sure it crits!

[dark osprey]

Just use Fantinas TM before sync

[spring fable]

crit rate and spdef

[swift swan]

looks alright

[proud axle]

I thought Fantina can raise her own crit?

[swift swan]

just grid fantina for nuke grid, she should destroy agatha

[formal vigil]

ss brendans buffs that though

[swift swan]

takes 3 TMs

[dark osprey]

Can grid Fantina for sharp entry if that's needed

[swift swan]

ss brendan buffs by... 1? maxes it at 3/5 via team sharp entry

[formal vigil]

fantina can also self raise crit

[proud axle]

I mean with Brendan at 1/5, and with Fantina gridded for Sharp Entry 1, it takes 1 TM

And you're gonna use her TM before sync anyway

So... Yeah this looks good

[spring fable]

Ok I nuked her 2nd sync

[proud axle]

Lodge Elesa can be dropped

[spring fable]

but she managed to get a sync in

[dark osprey]

Can do a first sync clear with Fantina now

[proud axle]

Lodge Elesa contributes basically nothing here

[proud axle]

Oh. Skip syncing with Brendan tbh

He doesn't need Mega and you might not need EX Support for this

[swift swan]

postsync?

what move level is ss brendan?

[spring fable]

yea post sync 2.5k

1/5!

[swift swan]

nah, ex support def helps

[dark osprey]

Do pre sync with that team. Should be easier

Either ways. Support sync or not

[swift swan]

I feel like you'll want his freevenge to keep proccing to alleviate gauge costs

[spring fable]

who should i replace lodge elesa with?

hmm ss elesa

[swift swan]

crazy thought here: SS Brendan can support two damage dealers

rather risky but doable

[dark osprey]

Can even try with Shauntal

[swift swan]

I was thinking giovanni because he has insane speed

[spring fable]

sounds doable with allister giving himself free move next

[dark osprey]

She's really good now as a secondary as well

Yeah surely Alister too

[swift swan]

I was just thinking, with allister, you need to take off "tech sync pair takes x3 damage"

[dark osprey]

I honestly think it's the parameters. Hopefully taking std damage reduction 300, physical damage reduction 100, no zone 150 points. It's going to be easier than 2K points

[swift swan]

though I guess it's no problem if you keep that param either lmao

[proud axle]

Does he need to sync for that?

Lemme check his grid

[swift swan]

freevenge 4 becomes freevenge 9

that's all really

[proud axle]

Oh

... That's not much. Swapping Elesa for a Speed source would do way more here

Due to how Freebies work, even Freevenge 9 can only be used every second turn

[spring fable]

hmm

gengar does dmg but dies too fast

time to change params

Much more comfortable taking mid

But dies to sides

[proud axle]

If Gengar is an option, why not do some Sleep denials

[dark osprey]

Or get Giovanni Mewtwo instead since he's faster

[spring fable]

swap with gengar or fantina?

[proud axle]

...Oh that's Allister's Gengar

I thought it was Agatha's

[dark osprey]

Can deny the sides if quad queue is what's bothering

Either one tbh

[proud axle]

I think you might actually have better odds with Agatha's Gengar for Sleep denial tho

Sides don't have Lessen Sleep.

Hex is gauge-efficient, and Agatha can get +6 Speed in one TM

If you're worried about that

...Seriously though why are you syncing with Brendan and not Fantina

That's Brendan's EX outfit colorscheme, is it not? To match Mega Latios?
Latios is Mega and you have exactly 2 sync buffs, so... you're just throwing Fantina's entire reason to exist in the garbage

If you're not going to sync with Fantina, use someone else instead

[spring fable]

sry man

i thought i could use fantina for ghost dps

maybe im too comfortable / used to support ex making my pairs hit harder

[proud axle]

I think this can work if you delay your first sync until Turn 4 and land a denial KO on the boss

[spring fable]

i just did it tho

[proud axle]

That is enough time for Brendan to do TM and three Luster Purges; Fantina and the third member can whittle the sidekicks down, and then you sync nuke the boss dead. Then clean up the sides

[proud axle]

IIRC Fantina was originally kinda bad at Ghost DPS until her sync grid update... Which did absolutely nothing to improve it, and gave her sync nuke capability instead

So... Yeah

She's a Tech pretending to be a Striker now

[onyx ice]

Super preparation 9 isn't nothing

[proud axle]

That's for her sync nuke.

[onyx ice]

Works for shadow ball too

[proud axle]

It basically only works for the first shadow ball after the support syncs, and that's not sustainable

[onyx ice]

1 shadow ball is enough

[proud axle]

If you use the TM again, you waste 100% of a Shadow Ball to gain 50% more on the next Shadow Ball

That still isn't what I'd call DPS. It's gotta be sustainable for that

It's not a whole lot different from using a GMax nuke

"only works once per fight" is... not DPS

[dark osprey]

For me it's one super preparation for bulk buster shadow ball, there next one for nuke. So first sync clear

[proud axle]

That's basically a lot like AnniRaihan, isn't it?

So... Yeah Fantina is a double nuke tech now

[dark osprey]

Yeah she good ngl

[proud axle]

She just doesn't... Do normal DPS

[dark osprey]

But there's also Shauntal

[onyx ice]

Fantina shadow ball hits really hard with renegade Cynthia

[proud axle]

Shauntal's Gritty 5 is kind of... wow, yeah

Not everyone gets a hecking +50% multiplier in one node

And all she needs to do is burn herself

[dark osprey]

Shauntal hits harder than Gio and by a bit

[proud axle]

Yeah, I'd recommend Shauntal for more conventional DPS

[dark osprey]

That's compromising the CS2 for gritty 3 though

Even without slightly higher

[proud axle]

And Gritty doesn't work on sync anyway. So maybe Shauntal and Fantina together is the play

Shauntal for the sustain, Fantina for the double burst

[dark osprey]

Yeah. Shauntal and Gio also is nice

[onyx ice]

Shauntal sync is pretty mhe to being with

[dark osprey]

So many ghost options now

[onyx ice]

This week barely used zone

[zealous karma]

Apparently she has better DPS than shauntal and anni lillie

[proud axle]

I would be simultaneously angry, glad, and amused if they somehow made Mimirola good

[onyx ice]

Only rock zone

[proud axle]

For how many consecutive turns?

[zealous karma]

Idk that’s all I’ve heard

The double SpDef drop prolly is what makes her out DPS them for subsequent turns

[dark osprey]

Don't think that's possible tbh. Nuke more than compensates though

[onyx ice]

Ended up using lodge Steven + SS diantha

[devout sluice]

Only Fighting and flying zone for me because no rock zone.

[onyx ice]

I have both fighting zones, but didn't used it

Didn't wanted to deal with look alive 9, so i just nuked the whole stage with 6ex Bea

Used redlax to save 150 points

[devout sluice]

I had to bring grimsley because of look alive 9.

[proud axle]

Among other things, the player in question had SSBrendan doing the SPDef drop work anyway

[onyx ice]

For ghost is used 6ex lodge Morty + Allister and fantina

[swift swan]

I'd test the fantina team if only my fantina wasn't EX'd

I tried a non-EX fantina to copy an EX fantina clear. quite a struggle

[sand karma]

I either need to get sselesa or a anniskyla/ssethan rerun before one of the harder cs come back with 12.5k

[onyx ice]

I synced with lodge morty

[devout sluice]

I should try Allister lodge Morty and Fantina EX. Had to off type that.

[sand karma]

Managed to presync wipe centre once then immediately died to side
Then sync didn't crit and ended up somehow cheesing by tanking the sync with presync params

[manic kiln]

did a double morty (lodge + BP) and fantina clear today

[sand karma]

Fantina is also losing lustre with the new params for me

[onyx ice]

3/5 Allister should one shot with g-max terror with offensive parameters

At least after 6ex support sync

[devout sluice]

Oh wow

[dark osprey]

Morty does need that grid expansion

[manic kiln]

og morty? yeah

[onyx ice]

Og Morty isn't the bestest

[manic kiln]

haven't used him for months

[dark osprey]

Yeah. Maxing his nuke itself is painful

[manic kiln]

only for LG

[zealous karma]

Give him like the wally expansion ferocious moves and like an evasion +2 on TM

[dark osprey]

I too used him for the first clear.

[onyx ice]

Bruno just got destroyed by presync Leon's max airstream

People understimated the Leon buff

[proud axle]

How does one set up a Leon max nuke? Just buff normally and hope he gets SEUN before Max Move?

[dark osprey]

Yeah. Kinda

[onyx ice]

Leon has burst in and healthy super hit

[proud axle]

Ah, 3/5

[onyx ice]

Turn 1 tm, turn 2 center is ded

[dark osprey]

True. I only pulled him on his rerun and was surprised on how nice he was

On type at 1/5 he's great

[onyx ice]

1/5 is fine, but has only 50% to trigger seun

[dark osprey]

Like he's got burst in. So no need to max his crit that early

[proud axle]

I wondered what all the max nuke fuss was about. I only have him at 1/5 so I'd "only" have Burst In and Super Prep 4 to work with

[onyx ice]

1/5 is basically the same but you need the 50% RNG for super preparation

[spring fable]

okie!

[dark osprey]

I've replaced silver with him for my fire clears already with 1/5

[spring fable]

completed 12k mm cause i accidentally did a 2k for R2

[proud axle]

The sync countdown skip on his TM, makes Max shenanigans so much smoother. They accidentally(?) designed him for this

[onyx ice]

3/5 can get healthy superhit and start with Seun guaranteed as long as you didn't picked half hp

[proud axle]

Half HP happens before full-HP entry skills proc, huh... That is useful to know

[manic kiln]

i actually made this mistakes many times this past 2 weeks lmao, had to reset

[proud axle]

I didn't know that before. Thank you

[onyx ice]

There isn't much at 3/5 for Leon's max move besides healthy super hit

[proud axle]

Ye, they designed his grid without Max in mind (because Max didn't exist yet)

[spring fable]

nov your saying i couldve saved some braincells by simply exing fantina?

[proud axle]

Yeah, her sync should wipe out the left and right enemy

[onyx ice]

But if you don't mind resetting for super preparation, 1/5 is basically the same

[proud axle]

Used at the end of turn 4, it will even net you a denial

[dark osprey]

And center if rushed parameters

[spring fable]

i shouldve exed her then

[proud axle]

This has been informative. Thank you

[dark osprey]

Honestly don't even need to reset for super prep

He's got quite a lot of damage otherwise

[proud axle]

I tried max nuking with Airstream once and got kind of pathetic results. I wonder if I did it wrong.

It's still great that he brings teamwide Speed as a Striker tho

[dark osprey]

After EX support sync?

[onyx ice]

I did turn 2

[proud axle]

I think so. It was weird.

[dark osprey]

Hmmm. Probably non crit

[onyx ice]

Turn 2 I basically one shotted the center

[proud axle]

I think it was in a Legendary fight, to clarify. Not in a CS fight

Maybe it was against Bulu in the recent gauntlet

[onyx ice]

Maybe it was bar 2

Bar 2 is poison weak

For bulu I like to go SS Giovanni + kahili

They basically one shot bar 2 and 3 in 2 hits

Lodge Steven did like 40k with his 1st sync in rock zone (not ex)

SS diantha just took care of the sides

Lodge Steven's DPS is quite laughable

[lunar meadow]

I mean... He has ancient power and no hit the gas.

He's there to sync nuke only

[proud axle]

Classic Tech build, yeah

Debuff and sync but no DPS

[halcyon sail]

His nuke is quite good, did 121k on Blue with ex support

And easy to set up nuke

[proud axle]

What annoys me is that... He almost counters Rock Malva but it's hard to fit a sandstorm build on the same team. And if you don't Sandstorm, you gotta deal with her entry sun

[halcyon sail]

Doesn't have to be sandstorm

[proud axle]

Rain? Hail? Does that even make it better?

I am not going to candy A.Steven just for Weather Wipe

[dark osprey]

Haha. Just go sandstorm

Actually tanking with lodge Steven is an option

He's got 2 endures

[proud axle]

Hmmmm...

[dark osprey]

Did do a rush clear with him

[proud axle]

If he holds out just long enough to wipe Malva out, your other two might be able to handle the sidekicks

[dark osprey]

Kinda guaranteed on the center

[proud axle]

It looks plausible...

[dark osprey]

But yeah. It was guaranteed since -3 countdown

So there's a maximum of 2 attacking moves

Also his AOE flinch is kinda nice

[proud axle]

Is TM Stealth Rock TM Sync enough for the OHKO, or does he want another 2 SpDef for it

[dark osprey]

I think I bought Elio or something for completing the buffs

[proud axle]

Hmmm...

[dark osprey]

Need to do more testing

[proud axle]

That could work for no-weather clears, but I'm still mad at Malva

[dark osprey]

Haha. I guess get the weather. Should work most probably since she didn't have extra bulk at least

[proud axle]

I guess a Malva clear could use Ingo for weatherz an Olivia EX sync to land a denial on the sides, and then Steven snipes Malva on the second sync

[dark osprey]

Yeah. That would definitely do. Seems like a good idea

[proud axle]

TM Stealth Rock Ancient Power (Swagbag8), TM Ancient Power (Swagbag8), Stealth Rock, Sync

[dark osprey]

I think Malva takes extra damage from stealth rock as well iirc

[proud axle]

That should be +6.
And also hella overkill. But yes.

I gotta try this next time we get Kalos.

[mellow linden]

I think unless you really need Lodge Steven to handle most of his buffs himself, Acid is a better option to use when not setting Stealth Rock

Maybe a turn 1 Trainer Move depending on the team

[dark osprey]

I mean his buffs for the nuke are weird. That's the thing

Like max special defense

[mellow linden]

I’m thinking the 2 big setups for him will be something like Lodge Steven + Bertha + Sycamore and Lodge Steven + SS Kris + 3rd team member

[dark osprey]

He does probably need another DPS too

[mellow linden]

I think it’ll depend on some factors

The Sycamore + Bertha setup probably can do without as long as you don’t pick Interference Immunity since Steven can nuke center and the sides will die pretty quick to Sandstorm + Stealth Rock + Trap

[dark osprey]

Ah. That's an interesting strat

[swift swan]

EXing always makes things easier! and her new grid gives her an amazing nuke

[mellow linden]

And of course, a weather setter is only needed for Rock weak stages that rely on weather

Outside of that team options open up quite a bit

[dusty crater]

gonna do all CS tomorrow. gonna be fun tbh

[dark osprey]

Hope there's a reset for the special one. Is that confirmed?

[wet gate]

Finally beat this after playing for 4 hours straight

[onyx ice]

Lodge Steven can definitely tank against malva, the problem is that they use moves like flare blitz and flamethrower

And stealth rock isn't a trainer move

But malva burn chance is quite low

[proud axle]

Hm. How much damage does Rock Damage Field do against them?

They're weak against Rock but I don't know the calcs for it in this game

[onyx ice]

Generally damage field does pretty low damage

However malva should have dfr 7 so it should do triple damage

[proud axle]

Against bosses, sure. But sidekicks tend not to have resistance

Like... At all

I can see Trap hurting them a good bit, but Sandstorm has always been negligible; so it comes down to Rock DF

[onyx ice]

I think sides have the same resistance for damage field effects as the center

[proud axle]

Interesting...

[dark osprey]

Also trap I guess

[onyx ice]

I always see stealth rock doing pitiful damage even on sides

Trap does a lot of damage to sides

Not much on center

[proud axle]

Bertha has Pokey Trap 5, no less

That'd be great for this scenario

[onyx ice]

Sandstorm definitely does more damage than stealth rock

[proud axle]

Oof. Even on rock weakness?

[onyx ice]

As long as they have dfr 9 yea

[proud axle]

Oooof.

[onyx ice]

And i guess most stages have 9

Few rock weak have 7

Blue should have 9

[proud axle]

Let's see. It is extremely unlikely that Trap(Pokey 5)+Sand+Stealthrock would be a one-turn KO on a sidekick. So I guess I wanna know if it can KO in 2 turns or 3 thrns

[onyx ice]

Trap and poison do the most damage on sides

[proud axle]

Perhaps it's worth experimenting with, when Kalos returns

[onyx ice]

Stealth rock does pitiful damage even to sides

Sand doesn't do much damage either

[keen jasper]

I wanna try to 5k pts. each stage, but my Lisia is only 1/5 so I think I'll do it next week

[full mesa]

Why Lisia?

[keen jasper]

My NY Lisia specifically

[full mesa]

Ok

[onyx ice]

I guess against malva i could try anni n + lodge steven

At least N could take advantage of malva's sun and debuffs spdef

Then after Steven nuke the sides should be in ancient power range

[keen jasper]

Eh, 5k ain't possible, maybe 4.5k pts. each stage next week

Also, I wonder if it's possible to do 29k pts.

[onyx ice]

Gloria bacame a pretty solid physical fairy option

[keen jasper]

I mean I have SS Wally

[keen jasper]

Is Lodge Steven rock?

[dark osprey]

Yes. Special rock

[keen jasper]

Ah

[lost gulch]

Cmarnie 5k clear when

[mellow linden]

Enough when combined with Trap and Sandstorm. I did a test run against Blue, and while only Sycamore survived in the end that’s something that should be fixable with better gameplay/RNG and an EX Lodge Steven (mine isn’t quite at 5-star potential yet)

[onyx ice]

Special rock nuker

[onyx ice]

Yes i have him too, but the real deal breaker is detective Steven

[mellow linden]

Probably can also replace some Strength parameters with Max HP parameters instead since Stealth Rock/Sandstorm/Trap do %HP damage

[onyx ice]

Finally i managed to rush fairy weak with 1/5 summer lyra

[proud axle]

...Are Kanto's stats higher than I remember, or did I input the conditions into the PoMaTools planner incorrectly...? I'm getting way less damage in real conditions than PoMaTools says I should.

[crystal notch]

Started attempting Cs hard this week

I never knew zinnia was that fragile

Vs Bruno round 1

[proud axle]

She ruins her own defenses if she uses her TM, yesh

[crystal notch]

She died but bede picked up the slack

I didn't bother running tanks because I thought enough firepower would work

Eh it worked in the end so

[onyx ice]

I'm glad that maybun 1st sync is normal and not fighting

This way i can give her Seun and she won't waste it to mega

[crystal notch]

Yeah I was shocked reading the TM

She basically gets obliterated if I use her TM twice

[onyx ice]

Her tm is fine for stages that can't aoe

[proud axle]

If she syncs, with Mega, the debuffs are removed. But then Dragon Ascent starts debuffing her all over again

[proud axle]

Found the problem, I entered the SpDef (for Focus Blast) and forgot to do the same for Def (for Cross Chop and Bruno Sync).

[crystal notch]

Bruno AoEs so that's my newbie fault

Anyways, ground fairy ghost needed for type badge

[keen jasper]

Fairy is easily handled by Sycamore

[crystal notch]

Thinking of ssa cynthia-bea-hapu for lorelei
Rosa-giovanni-sc steven for Agatha
Lance is Cyrus, blue, Sycamore
And...mayziken ss steven phoebe for blue

[crystal notch]

And grass

[keen jasper]

Lorelei gains evasion each time you hit her

[proud axle]

Ghost can be done with Agatha or Shauntal against the Ghost-weak stage. You can also use Acerola (Flinch) or Agatha again (hypnosis) against any stage

[keen jasper]

So you need an accuracy buffer

[proud axle]

Or an evasion debuffer, or aim for the sidekicks with regular moves and throw a sync nuke at Lorelei

I'm trying to come up with a low-rarity plan to do that last one with 2.5k, just to see if it's possible.

[crystal notch]

This is on hard btw

[keen jasper]

I think you'll destroy them easily even if they have their gimmicks

But on MM, you have to plan your team out to handle the gimmicks

[crystal notch]

I mean I can swap sc steven with hapu

For hard

But yeah for csmm I imagine my roster would also be expanded since no 18 type restriction anymore

Just, uh, replaced with ontype issues

[onyx ice]

C Bede + Detective Steven is a deadly combo if you give both hs 1 lucky skills

Basically any barely decent physical damage dealer will destroy the stage

[crystal notch]

No deluxe cookies

[wicked ibex]

I dont think so. Dude loses his vampire ability if Standard Damage Reduction 8 is selected. Lance's skill set is purely physical and he hits hard too. So Syncamore still needs good teammates to support.

[wicked ibex]

forgot to tag

[dark osprey]

My version of the clear

[keen jasper]

My statement still stands

[proud axle]

I adjusted my plan and got it to work. I'm reluctant to EX Lucario, so I wanted to see if it could work without that.

[onyx ice]

Lucario sync isn't the bestest

But if you don't have supp ex,i think Lucario ex helps

[proud axle]

Yeah, but in this case it is really helpful as a somewhat potent grouptarget attack. It helps with the denials

Buys more turns before Lorelei casts the critshield

[onyx ice]

Yes the critshield is kinda annoying

Is basically built in sync -1 for presync

[dark osprey]

Yeah. Anyways no EX mega Lucario does do some good damage post too

[proud axle]

Indeed...

[dark osprey]

That around 500 atk stat is quite good

Also a small little fierce entry buff

[onyx ice]

It's funny how not so great physical strikers gets carried by 1/5 detective Steven

[dark osprey]

Yeah. He does some crazy stuff

[onyx ice]

Was funny to one shot lance with an 1/5 Jigglypuff's play rough

[dark osprey]

Was that before the super effective up?

Like what do you do for an on type rush clear like this one? Tackle, TM, SEUN, B move, TM again?

There's just so much options in his kit

[fringe valve]

Fun

[onyx ice]

Se up and +3 pmun

• 3 def

[dark osprey]

What about rebuff?

[onyx ice]

Turn 1

[dark osprey]

Ok. So basically no bmove needed right?

[onyx ice]

It was needed for the telekinesis effect

Play rough at 1/5 is 90 accuracy and the side can x evasion all

[compact yoke]

Any specific parameters I should take advantage of when using Zinnia and Rayquaza for flying stage 2.5k points?

[onyx ice]

Depends on team comp

[compact yoke]

Raihan flygon, and samurott with zinnia rayquaza

Hilbert^

[nova galleon]

Team guide for this week CS MM

For fighting week I used bea/Neo hop/and hilbert

For others I am week in team building

[onyx ice]

I used 6ex Bea / Nita / Redlax

[brave halo]

I had Bea, CHop, and ssmorty on the only time I was able to beat her

[onyx ice]

I redid also with maybun, c Bede, detective steven

[brave halo]

Tho maybe it's just me but it feels like CHop just can't keep the zone active for long

[onyx ice]

Doesn't have extension

[brave halo]

Oh right, I'm going brain dead

Tho I should look into other characters assuming I use Bea against lorelei again, cause it really feels CHop doesn't help much tbh

[rotund lagoon]

CHop is really good, what do you mean he doesn’t help much?

[paper summit]

master passive and zone aren't good enough?

the guy makes literally any fighting pair better